a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 21:35 edivad: i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 21:38 edivad: in my case i've recycled a previous bitcoin core blockchain and fired up TRB
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 21:44 mod6: yeah, that's always what mine is once complete, ~4.5G
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 21:46 edivad: in the case of segwit, this means that trb won't care about segwit blocks and as long as they will complies with the "hard rules" (I really don't know how to explain myself better) they will be accepted?
mircea_popescu: tru fact : 6Tg of gold is detectable from a bridge over east river.
mircea_popescu: if you have such a narrow premise ("is there or is there not a terragram of gold at so and so coords") experimental falsification is trivial, and not even expensive in contex. the bitch is forming the premise in the first place.
☟︎ trinque: 4.5gb for trb build, not blockchain
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes gold / other heavy metals are sorta fluorescent, let's say, in X-ray illumination. leaving aside that even amateur beach comber fare on sale for the cost of a lawn mower can see large chunks at 20-30 meters (that's 10 floors or so).
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 00:39 mircea_popescu: if you have such a narrow premise ("is there or is there not a terragram of gold at so and so coords") experimental falsification is trivial, and not even expensive in contex. the bitch is forming the premise in the first place.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 00:18 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696875 << it is conceivable you can reuse prb blockchains, if you care. not that there's anything wrong with rechecking the chain if oyu're in no hurry. expect a coupla months tho. and i suppose look into eatblock etc while at it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's the thing, it absorbs, and then emits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and no, inductive sweeper will go meters for large enough (100gram) chunks.
mircea_popescu: australia for one. everywhere there's enough gold to be worth it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes dude. let's redo the sentence : "gold / other heavy metals are sorta fluorescent, let's say, in X-ray illumination"
mircea_popescu: if you put an x-ray lamp on gold, and then turn it off, you will see some radiation back, and on specific frequency
mircea_popescu: next you're going to nix lasers because you saw a lightbulb once.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know this field has advanced significantly ? they have all sorts of phase-velocity abusing composites and so on.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the whole point was that such a large agglomeration of single-atom rare element is eminently detectable. it is.
mircea_popescu: there's no even here. different emission profile entirely.
mircea_popescu: "even car stops at light, bike is smaller than car!!" is bad argument.
mircea_popescu: and soil is no pb. and it's not "gone", it's 1/e'd. the remainder can... 1/e again. and so on.
mircea_popescu: the threshold for detectability is below 1kev (review your pll discussion to see why it goes way below "base").
mircea_popescu: basically, a high energy xray will lose 2/3 of its energy every dozen or so meters. whatever's left illuminates the gold (there's no crossing gold, too large barn), and then gets sent back, as gold-xray-pink
mircea_popescu: taking 20MeV source arbitrarily and 2 kev detector, you have roughly speaking 8 and a half halvings at your disposal. if your 1/e distance is 10 meters, that means 40 meters away your detector will still work.
mircea_popescu: i dun have the datasheets to give better numbers with, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway! rather than bickering over the obviously rhetorics involved, how about we in general agree that such a huge mass of a rare atom is eminently detectable and thassat.
mircea_popescu: i didn't by any means aim to produce an exhaustive or practical list!
mircea_popescu: but on the contrary : "even scandalous methods still work". which they do.
mircea_popescu: anyway. tungsten xray pink very different from gold xray pink. which is teh real idea!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:18 phf: for the longest time i thought that common lisp spec is a magic paper against modernization. not so, and you can see it with the recent evolution of sbcl. for example they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols, e.g. (flet ((first (...))) ...) will fail, breaking a lot of reasonable old code. many historic idioms likewise produce compilation warnings, etc.
ben_vulpes: while i'm on the topic, can confirm that 'modern' asdf is all sorts of royal pita as well, although that thread has been well hashed in the logs
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ben_vulpes: that level of shiv/word density is far beyond what i can accomplish, BingoBoingo has been practicing
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You too can increase your razorblade to punction mark count too!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i appreciate the exhortation
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Who knows how much your language could sharpen if you consistently wrote Qntra for 34 months?
ben_vulpes: step 1: home orifice. step 2: being useful member of society
BingoBoingo: home orifice consists of putting desk next to bed. One is for writing, other for sleeping, both useful furniture for fucking guests.
ben_vulpes: dun work for me, orifice gotta be childfree
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: gotta realize, i'm a sucker for cuddles
BingoBoingo: Now that's gotta drain the venom. Why are you bothering with productivity worries? First things first!
ben_vulpes: i'm waiting for age and failure to mature me into a nice ball of hate
BingoBoingo: Maybe spend a bit of time with some people who've been wrecked by Inca, want better for the puppies?
ben_vulpes: for all the inca-wreckage in my life, few of the wrecked are willing to realize the root of their distress.
ben_vulpes: and you know, "if i ain't fuckin you, i ain't fixin your head neither"
BingoBoingo: Eh, more an exercise in reading Trilema in IRL
mircea_popescu: few of the wrecked are willing to realize the root of their distress << the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making sliding in easy to do and pulling out easy to forget.
mircea_popescu: i'm vaguely curious if/when guy manages to escape his worm form.
deedbot: scatha voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other tor lulz, guess what is "privateinternetaccess.com", other than of course the "partner" of pretty much every irc network out there, from freenode to snoonet.
shinohai: iirc they also donated hosting for tardstalk or something like that
ben_vulpes: in reading some commentary on seattle's new tax on the rich, i learn that a sales tax is regressive because rich people pay a smaller fraction of their income in taxes than poors
ben_vulpes: another funny tidbit is that a) anything other than a flat tax is strictly constitutionally prohibited in washington and b) 33.65.030: "A county, city, or city-county shall not levy a tax on net income."
ben_vulpes: gonna paraphrase here, "we're sure that when the supreme court hears about how our schools are so terribly underfunded they'll reconsider their ruling on the consitutionality of this tax"
ben_vulpes: well if they say it enough and if enough people vote for it surely it will become the new law
trinque: how did seattle pull this off before portland?
trinque: the "arts tax" bureaucratic infrastructure already there
trinque: yeah I guess by mass, if not proportion
ben_vulpes: trinque: i wouldn't go so far as to say they pulled it off
mircea_popescu: summary : he's trying to make sense of the political posturing of fiat entities, arrives at the conclusion that bitmain is buying the worthless clone with bitcoin it intends to doublespend away from the silly buyers later on.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be trhe first time usg's criminal entreprise front pulled this scam.
mircea_popescu: for instance : usg released a convicted felon / ndrngheta man (sony vleisides) for the purpose of pulling a "we build asic miners" scam in bitcoin to buy nsa enough time to make some themselves.
mircea_popescu: this got called out, and in order to "silence" it, josh zerlan went around making "bets" on "betting sites" about how bfl will deliver.
mircea_popescu: when bitbet blew a ~1k hole through this plan, they paid luke-jr a pittance to falsely claim they had delivered to him.
mircea_popescu: exactly the same play. oh, we "buy" bitcoin crash. if it takes, it's good. if it doesn't take, guess what, segwit unroll later.
mircea_popescu: now, if this is the plan it's not a very good one (you can bury a segwit tx into legitimate spending which is deep enough to not be practically reorg-able) but anyway
ben_vulpes: isn't the practicality of reorg a function of segwitolade sum?
mircea_popescu: but then again usg fronts don't need a good plan, they just need A PLAN. something, at all. idiots don't read.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and block depth. if you make segwit tx a to me at height 1 and i put it into a normal tx at block 2, i can spend it from block 3 as my bitcoin, the segwitnmess is gone out of it. to steal it from me, one has to rewind all the way to block 1 again. which is possible, but expensive as the chain builds.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: moreover, this is no different from any other rewind : if a long chain is orphaned a number of txn are reversed thereby.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the substantial weakness segwit adds to bitcoin chain security is that witout it, one needs the power to unwind the chain AND the keys of old txn to steal bitcoin. whereas with it, one only needs the hash power, as anyone can spend the segwit shit.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: so in this sense it makes securing the chain more expensive, which is a legitimate 2nd goal of usg.
mircea_popescu: right, maybe there's some color-of-bits finally imported into bitcoin this way ? please ? so usg can still has a point in world ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, 0 shits given, becoming "more subtle" does not help the cattle empire. if the blunt didn't work, the sharp is a lulz.
mircea_popescu: it irks me that over time, the points made need ever more words AND STILL the jumps/gaps have to grow. fucking radial problem.
BingoBoingo: "Oh the people NSA hired to read trilema in 2013 moved on to management and these new interns gotta start over"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, he was bishop of cluj and nearly ended up patriarch
☟︎ mircea_popescu: amusingly, guy prayed he survive to complete translation of testament. did so. died thereafter.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, because a succession of these since the 1970s, there's much better ro testaments than say en.)
mircea_popescu: anyway. his ro "diortosire" is a very well illuminated source, as to the original material, and if one speaks ro one benefits from reading it even if one can also read the septuagint in original.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to the naive expectation, common attic fluency is not achieved throgh "knowing the words". there is no such knowing.)
mircea_popescu: the latin approach to language is "word is symbol for its definition".
mircea_popescu: a greek word is "what is left out of the space of all possible meanings once all the meanings interdicted by the other words have been removed".
mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: kinda why medieval greek separated from it, leading to today's lang.
ag3nt_zer0: Attempting an Ubuntu install of Eulora here... coupla questions if anyone can help:
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, apparently 90% of reddit advertising is bitcoin-scams, bitcoin-alts, i-cant-believe-it's-not-bitcoins and other such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: whodda thunk tardstalk can take over the entire pantsuit forum ?
mircea_popescu: apple could buy russia, if you're drunk and all the russians go to space ; meanwhile bitcoin bought america.
mircea_popescu: that dude's a fine example of usgistani ersatz. he hangs out in "personal finance" talking about finance, all the while his worldview is purely soviet socialism, command economy etc.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the country is doomed, not strictly speaking because "educators" who literally think the shamanic traditions of africa / sitting around in a circle chanting count ; nor because they "produce" "goods" that are literal painted paper like the rocks on a theatrical stage.
mircea_popescu: but because rank and file everyday tard is entirely incapable of even representing a working economy.
mircea_popescu: "Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?"
mircea_popescu: guess what... "I don't see the appeal of startups at all. I have never been a gambler. big companies allow me to get paid well while not really doing much work A++"
a111: Logged on 2016-02-17 21:08 asciilifeform: (the folks who laughed when i said 'no curl on trb build box' - still laughing ?)
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.