asciilifeform: seems like already disappeared from gentoo latest portage neh.
asciilifeform: we might have to confiscate gentoo etc sooner rather than later.
asciilifeform: i speak of gentoo in past tense. but it remains that every box i will ever, likely, live to use , will still be made from bricks of the ruins of gentoo, and not from anything else.
asciilifeform: trinque: to the extent gentoo was interesting, it was because it enabled ~nonstandardization~.
asciilifeform: the important bit is that it has to be done on a ~virginal~ gentoo
asciilifeform: ( gentoo per se automates a good chunk of the work. iterate over xorgs until one builds with gcc4... )
asciilifeform: and noshit it won't 'emerge video', a stock gentoo won't suck in closed crapolade
asciilifeform: aaaand even after you handcraft the gentoo, with bare hands and sewing needle, you still gotta 'police' the thing constantly, and keep out the poetteringisms that continuously want to build one another, and you have to swear off maybe half of all 'modern' proggies
asciilifeform: a kit build ( and oughta be interpreted broadly, e.g. gentoo entirely counts ) lets folx convert their otherwise not-monetizable spare time, into a product, which in many cases they could never otherwise own
asciilifeform: there is no substitute, i will probably die still using my current gentoo.
asciilifeform: anybody here have a massive gentoo tarball mirror ? try searching for MSG_PEEK ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alternative is to buy shitbox built by chinese for argentina, where power cord comes out of bottom ? and gentoo won't boot
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: at one time, gentoo came with instructions for how to build it from 0 (using only an existing c compiler, and buncha src tarballs)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: around the time gentoo irrevocably went to shit, notice, it stopped supporting stage1 builds
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking of much more modest item -- replacement of ' asciilifeform's gentoo ' with something replicable on demand, for eternity (vtronic repo, vtronic 'portage')
asciilifeform: if gentoo.org etc evaporate, or , as more likely, go the usual way of decay -- that'll be all, for it
asciilifeform: at one point i answered mircea_popescu's 'you could not replicate your workstation' challenge with the gentoo cure. but that will only work 'while supplies last', i'm not even certain when the last time was that anyone tested it
asciilifeform: the goal post is set by my gentoo boxes, running since '07
asciilifeform: show how to set it up so that -- analogously to my gentoo curative pill, discussed on many occasions here -- dbus is NEVER, EVER built, NO MATTER WHAT
asciilifeform: i don't recall ever installing gentoo, for instance, any other way
asciilifeform: gentoo afaik never had a theo de raadt, with cellar full of vax, pdp
asciilifeform: i.e. thing was less sanitary, by long shot, than the shoddiest gentoo.
asciilifeform: gentoo at one point could have been described this way.
asciilifeform: fwiw my 'gentoo curative recipe' (posted last yr) is from same box.
asciilifeform: (thread was iirc originally about a vtronic gentoo cleanup, and i noted that nobody with half a brain would sign a gig of dubious rubbish code with their naked, unvectored lordly key)
asciilifeform: 'Gentoo can PRACTICALLY be improved by slowly & surely eliminating it from Masamune. There are plenty of people who can, and have written lisp bootloaders. The only problem with this (and all related projects) is that they're incomplete, due to lacking a working lisp environment one can integrate with. People write code using the _stable_ abstractions at hand.'
asciilifeform: gentoo could theoretically be improved -- but not by bolting a hacked-together cl layer ON TOP OF pythonic emerge
asciilifeform: it does not exist on my gentoo boxen.
asciilifeform: in other probably-not-news, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ug540/?raw=true << MOST gentoo mirrors have been converted into 'glue traps' where you either get 'file not found' for a CATALOGUED package (best case), or it HANGS FOR FIVE WHOLE MINUTES on 'PASV ...'
asciilifeform: phf: thread was about hypothetical 'vtronic gentoo'
asciilifeform: incidentally i realized that it is misleading to say 'i run gentoo.' because i probably could not recreate it other than from backups of own machines.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a vtronic 'gentoo' is trivially possible except that nobody's going to sign GB of crapola.
asciilifeform: iirc there exists a musltronic python. so a musltronic gentoo is afaik in principle possible.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: ah if you don't need such a thing - then your gentoo is ready for battlefield, neh
asciilifeform: it is not, for example, the fault of gentoo authors, that rms became a living mushroom and lifted not one finger to keep emacs from demanding dbus
asciilifeform: if you remove 'portage', you have, magic!111, working gentoo. but it is then ~same as just generic linux a la my pogo build.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577762 << gentoo is in the sad place where it is because of 'portage' (the thing that attempts to automagically download tarballs of source and build deps in the correct order) , and the decay of the entire ecosystem of buildables, which isn't strictly to do with gentoo per se☝︎
asciilifeform: literally not a single one of my active gentoo boxes will 'emerge' clang...
asciilifeform: enjoy, then, the nintendo. (or do as i did when i worked for usg and forced to use winblows xp box -- run gentoo/x11 in vmware, and emacs in ~that~...)
asciilifeform: why the fuck would you buy the world's least-documented x86 box to gentoo on..?
asciilifeform: about same speed as /dev/urandom on my gentoo boxen, even.
asciilifeform: aha, it is why you won't find a 'sh' tarball in, e.g., your gentoo's /usr/portage/distfiles.
asciilifeform: 'Hanno Böck is a freelance journalist and volunteer developer with Gentoo Linux. He also works for web hosters schokokeks.org, who rely entirely on free software for their service offerings.'
asciilifeform: trinque: if i had a working mussolinic gentoo, i'd never have cooked up 'rotor'
asciilifeform: thus far, every time i sit down and make a gentoo box, more or less ~yearly since '06 or so, it ... works
asciilifeform: trinque: pts isn't a gentoo-specific ball of shit
asciilifeform: didn't we have a successful gentoo initiation recently ? who was it
asciilifeform: ( most cl-using folk keep a copy on own disk. it is even a gentoo port . )
asciilifeform: 'Finally, and crucially, the investigators issued a warrant directed at the Canadian webhost of KickassTorrents. This was one of the biggest scores as it provided them with full copies of KAT’s hard drives, including the email server. “I observed […] that they were all running the same Linux Gentoo operating system, and that they contained files with user information, SSH access logs, and other information, ' << use moar nato h
asciilifeform: at any rate my gentoo-depoetteringizer does not magically fix the ecosystem, shat to all hell, no. but what it ~does~ do is to hard-nuke the autopullin crapolade and reveal who is your enemy and who is merely passive victim.
asciilifeform: there is a dedrepperized (experimental, musltronic) gentoo but it is VERY spartan
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw the mask set i published here will build a depoetteringized (though not dedrepperized) gentoo, which will stay that way. but various more or less essential items, e.g., 'wireshark', will not build.
asciilifeform: for me right now it is gentoo or unabomber cabin.
asciilifeform: the most rational hatred of gentoo comes from folks who ask 'how do i freeze'
asciilifeform: what does gentoo even have to do with it?!
asciilifeform: sooooo i discovered that emacs can be de-dbus-ed on gentoo by zapping gtk3
asciilifeform: that'd be merely gentoo without portage.
asciilifeform: 'Do I really have to be forced to use accessibility if I want just the gtk gui? I don't have the time needed to learn to modify ebuild, and keep a separate overlay... I want to use Gentoo, not keep building it forever. Do I really have to accomodate for remote seat to be able to use Gentoo? '☟︎
