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deedbot: [Trilema] Eulora : Official May Auction, or a celebration of lifestyles! - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-official-may-auction-or-a-celebration-of-lifestyles/
phf: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 analysis of openssl rng, conclusion it's bad
phf: n/m, in logs http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451036☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 09:03 punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
mircea_popescu: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapePortrayedAsRedemption << lulziest thing in the usg-verse, that fantastic collection of mental representations.
mircea_popescu: apparently they're aware of the educational aspect involved, and all that.
asciilifeform broke down & bought 'standard' and 'rationale' circa 2012
asciilifeform: and finally understood why the '95 b00kz were so cheap.
phf: Why?
asciilifeform: phf: aside from the useful 2012isms discussed previously (see logz - spark, predicated types, etc) the standard lib grew
asciilifeform: in useful ways
asciilifeform: standardized templates for frequent chores, e.g., queues, stacks
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 407916 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 1331 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 52 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: $up go1111111
deedbot: go1111111 voiced for 30 minutes.
go1111111: are logs of this channel posted publicly somewhere? I see 'This is a logged channel' but no link to logs on trilema.com
BingoBoingo: btcbase.com/logs
mircea_popescu: ^
go1111111: hm, 'sorry, that page cannot be found'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453628 even☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-19 02:07 go1111111: hm, 'sorry, that page cannot be found'
BingoBoingo stumbled into an oldie http://trilema.com/2011/a-cui-e-prietena-ta/
mircea_popescu: lol can you read that ?
mircea_popescu: got random reader guy VERY pissed off, that thing.
BingoBoingo: Can't really make much of the tweets, but that goes with the medium.
mircea_popescu: guess so huh.
BingoBoingo: Twitter is a foreign language
deedbot: [Qntra] Apple Keeps OSX Users Stuck On Vulnerable Git Version - http://qntra.net/2016/04/apple-keeps-osx-users-stuck-on-vulnerable-git-version/
davout: https://news.bitcoin.com/looting-fox-sabotage-shapeshift/ <<< lulzy
asciilifeform: 'We hired such a person, and patted ourselves on the back for our proactive decision. On paper, he looked great; the reference we called confirmed his prior role and responsibility. He’d even been into Bitcoin since 2011/2012 and had built miners in his room. Awesome. We’ll call this new employee Bob… indeed his real name starts with a B. Over the next months, Bob built and managed ShapeShift’s infrastructure. He did okay, no
asciilifeform: thing special, but we were content to have a professional taking care of devops at least well enough to enable our engineers to build upon the architecture.' << l0l!!
asciilifeform: hire moar 'injuns' ahahaha.
asciilifeform: 'Our server admin, in the midst of an investigation into a $130,000 theft, deletes his two keys, and only these two keys, without telling anyone, and then admits on our call that he did it because “they weren’t important.”'
asciilifeform: and, best lulz,
asciilifeform: 'Bob betrayed us. He betrayed his privileged position, profiting directly from the destruction of those who trusted him. He stole, lied, ran away, and then after being afforded a period of time long enough to reflect upon his actions, decided to betray us again for a few more scraps in his pathetic bowl. Hackers gonna hack, but it takes a certain variety of bastard to ascend to a trusted position, work face to face with a team, recei
asciilifeform: ve a salary and confidence from that team, and then screw them all for barely enough money to buy a Tesla. Oh yeah, and then abandon a dog to starve alone, likely soon to be put down by animal services.'
asciilifeform: vorhees was always a scumbag, and it is no surprise to me that his verminous nest is full of scumbags likewise.
BingoBoingo: I was told by a commenter it is pronounced Veerhooves
asciilifeform: i dun care if it's pronounced 'hoover vacuum co.'
asciilifeform: first commenter is also 'usg gold'
asciilifeform: 'Should have not fallen for pseudosecurity technobuble talk. Should have gotten second opinions. Should have used established information security frameworks and be extremely suspicious on why they are not being used... ...It is a common misconception that to defend against hacking you must hire a hacker. Perhaps you've been watching that old movie "hacker" and lots of other Hollywood produce too much and believed that crap. In reali
asciilifeform: ty, to defend you must hire good people who do information security professionally...'
asciilifeform: B3ST PR4CT1C3Z!1111111
shinohai: Of course it was an inside job - Erik decides he needs to jump on the "We got haxxored" publicity train with all the other Bitcoin "companies".
mod6: ugh. still beat-down status
shinohai: T_T
mod6: im wfh today.
mod6: im like... 15-18% better than I was yesterday. but still beat down.
mod6: at least i can get out of bed.
shinohai: want me to send an asian hooker up there to "massage" you?
mod6: yes, please.
mod6: i feel like someone has worked me over with a hockey stick
BingoBoingo: It's prolly Zika
shinohai looks for Asian therapists that double as nurses ...
mod6: lol zika
shinohai: I think I still have a hangover a bit from the weekend.
phf: yo gotta exercise dat shit out
shinohai: Some friends I have when the only present I got was booze xD
phf: purge the spirits from the flesh
asciilifeform: from the dept. of definitely-not-news,
asciilifeform: https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/200312-05 << vintage megal0l
asciilifeform: 'GnuPG 1.2.3... If you have used ElGamal keys for signing your private key can be compromised, and a malicious keyserver could remotely execute arbitrary code with the permissions of the user running gpgkeys_hkp.'
asciilifeform: phun phakt: guess HOW they fixed this.
asciilifeform: i won't even say, will leave it as a jawdropper to the alert reader.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=black << check it out, i own this word!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=jews << and this one
mircea_popescu: holy shit i'm the token tmsr racist.
PeterL: you have been the consistent most verbose person here for years, you probably own all the words
asciilifeform: blackjews.txt
mircea_popescu: oh damn, it's just sheer volume huh.
phf: (fyi http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters )
mircea_popescu: phf so this is not a complaint, but : i really liked the way the log search worked, because : right now i'm searching for that portion in the logs where i explained that the us blacks are kinda like the jews, demographically, and will prolly get wiped.
mircea_popescu: i can't use grepping for this. if it did token join search i could search for blacks jews
mircea_popescu: so what do i do ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is still lulzy, imho, wiped by ~whom~ ? 'pencilnecked' whitez ?
asciilifeform: chinese overlords ?
mircea_popescu: the pencilnecks don't matter in any discussion.
asciilifeform: sure. so who'll it be ?
asciilifeform: i mean, folks don't stuff ~themselves~ into oven, no
trinque: man, do you not realize how many rednecks there are in this country?
mircea_popescu: the great black swamp still fills womens' breats with milk. you don't need THAT MANY people to wipe a 12%ish pesky minority.
mircea_popescu: ^
phf: mircea_popescu: so i started working on a proper search, but that takes time, since need a query parser and a query compiler, that's maybe 40% done. but i can give you relatively soon an ability to pass multiple q parameters. so it'll be log-search?q=black&q=jews so that those will stack up, i.e. first grep is applied and the second one is used as filter
mircea_popescu: he has nfi because he doesn't live ion the country, he lives in the red square.
trinque: no kidding
mircea_popescu: phf very nice.
mircea_popescu: i'd say a multiparam grep search is already a full solution for this problem.
asciilifeform: trinque: i know approximately how many. i also know what they amount to, if past c. is any guide (from waco to mcveigh to the oregon clowns)
phf: mircea_popescu: by the way, &from=foo already works, i.e. &from=mircea will only show...
mircea_popescu: the past is no guide.
mircea_popescu: a cool.
mircea_popescu: btw, do we want a wiki ?
mircea_popescu: it's an iffy proposition, on one hand it's an obligation to keep up to date, because an outdated one is worse than none.
mircea_popescu: but on the other wtf are noobs to do.
phf: we need a single page wiki
asciilifeform: ^
trinque: asciilifeform: check out trump for example; he's easing them back into having good old fashioned political riots
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider zee german folk, that law abiding, king and country worshipping cow that spent the middle ages in the WORST shackles of all, not matched by the blacks in the empire of brazil or by anyone since.
mircea_popescu: yet after they were accused of stabbing the army in the back, they overthrew the government "without breaking as much as a windowpane"
mircea_popescu: and then raped women in the street for a few years, by the thousands.
trinque: give it a few terms and somebody will be up there screaming about the lost greatness of merkuh, and there will be hoards of ignorant and angry blue collar guys loving it
asciilifeform: trinque: as far as i can see, he's a stage prop for clitler's ordained throne
trinque: too easy
mircea_popescu: yeah the idea of keeping it tight and narrow might well be best.
trinque: just because he knew and dealt with the clintons doesn't mean he likes them
mircea_popescu: trinque dude, merkuh! the land that sunk when they took ur jerbz. fabulous. you came up with it ?
asciilifeform: trinque: the 'american hitler' thing's been forecast for ~80y
asciilifeform: some reason keeps not happennin'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hitler dun really enter into this.
mircea_popescu: there's a very specific, well known problem of minorities in a specific percentage with specific societal differences.
asciilifeform: i know of no precedent for dalit exterminations
mircea_popescu: hitler has ~nothing with czechs obliterating gypsies, nor milosevic with serbs obliterating croats etc.
asciilifeform: who will shovel the shit ?
mircea_popescu: you know of no precedent ?!
trinque: mircea_popescu: dunno where "merkuh" came from
mircea_popescu: ;;google salem witch trials
trinque: emergent slur!!11
gribble: Salem witch trials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials>; Salem Witch Trials - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com: <http://www.history.com/topics/salem-witch-trials>; The Trials - Salem Witch Museum: <https://www.salemwitchmuseum.com/education>
mircea_popescu: no hitler there, either.
asciilifeform: no class extermination there either ?
asciilifeform: just buncha old broads gettin' cooked
asciilifeform: at any rate, 'no precedent' != 'can't happen'
asciilifeform: just means it won't happen ~for the stated historical reason~
trinque: you should go to a shitty bar in TX sometime
trinque: outside the major cities
asciilifeform: trinque: what do i look for there ?
asciilifeform: an old brass spittoon ?
asciilifeform: a hog-fucker named Slim ?
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: 'they were soooooowwz!111 judge!111'
mircea_popescu: what is your idea of class ?
trinque: you let the federal system fade a bit, and I think there are plenty of roughneck "good old boys" that'll step up and do the killing
mircea_popescu: all that's needed is specified physical characteristics that make most of the population ontologically secure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gypsies yes, street-sweepers no
mircea_popescu: "wrinkled old broads" "dudes with colored skin" "circumcised and hooknosed" work well.
asciilifeform: wrinkled broad or hooknosed dude have ~something to steal~
asciilifeform: what do you take from the coloured dude
mircea_popescu: this has ~ nothing to do with anything.
mircea_popescu: people don't kill for money.
asciilifeform: but it demonstrably did at salem
asciilifeform: and in germany.
mircea_popescu: only if you're insane, "demonstrably".
mircea_popescu: coincidentally.
asciilifeform: the folks who stoked the initial flame, they stood to gain.
mircea_popescu: looky, this is nothing more than trying to make reality less abrasive by proposing that "we're not really so different".
mircea_popescu: "we" are, you and them.
asciilifeform: waiwut
mircea_popescu: what did lenin stand to gain ?
asciilifeform: pretty obvious what
mircea_popescu: random beerhall aggitator / painter / corporal stood to gain a prison sentence
mircea_popescu: which he gained.
asciilifeform: relevance, caviar, chix
mircea_popescu: pretty retrospective-obvious, man.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why you have so much trouble with the flux of time.
mircea_popescu: it really isn't fucking reversible already.
asciilifeform: prolly because unlike mircea_popescu i am not a demigod living outside of time..?
mircea_popescu: vice-versa. unlike mp, you pretend to be one.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what do you take from the coloured dude << Your neighborhood's value.
mircea_popescu: also they're the only ones with children.
mircea_popescu: in all of this, anyone actually have a link to the discussion in question ?
mircea_popescu: i still can't fucking find it.
BingoBoingo: Really entire departments of USG would become unneessary.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-01#853306☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-10-01 11:58 mircea_popescu: if i were black in the us i would be fucking worried for my children. being ~10% of the population and >50% of the public discourse is how the hasidim suddenly disappeared from history.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf pleeeze can haz compatibility with old date format ??
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: tyvm
asciilifeform: srsly this took me 10 min
asciilifeform: and is entirely unnecessary
mircea_popescu: memory is a harsh mistress
asciilifeform: i motherfucking hate this iso thing.
asciilifeform: it has ZERO justification.
asciilifeform: iso is not in my wot.
trinque: you don't want the numbers in order of magnitude?
trinque: wat?
asciilifeform: i want SAME FORMAT AS BEFORE
trinque: oh whatever
asciilifeform: what part of this is hard to understand.
trinque: "we've always done this"
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: and there was nothing wrong with it.
trinque: see: x86
asciilifeform: x86 is clinically retarded
asciilifeform: the old format was HARMLESS
asciilifeform: NOT comparable.
asciilifeform: srsly.
asciilifeform: show me ~something~ useful you were unable to do on account of the old format.
mircea_popescu: you don';t get "same as before".
mircea_popescu: you get "same as logical". sorry!
asciilifeform: how is this crapolade 'logical' ?
mircea_popescu: in-order-of-magnitude.
asciilifeform: why not epochal date then.
mircea_popescu: that's his choice isn't it ?
asciilifeform: sure.
mircea_popescu: so that's why : phf did it this way.
mircea_popescu: but in general evolution is from tradition to sense, and when multiple sensible approaches are present the owner decides, with or without support from the forum at his option.
asciilifeform: at any rate i'll prolly stop noticing when phf's search worx and i can stop using kako's.
mircea_popescu: mthreat 's
asciilifeform: ah.
asciilifeform: yes.
mircea_popescu: tbh epoch time prolly a bad idea. for one thing - it is fundamentally retarded in implementation and for this reason not actually usable as intended (see discussion as to why it should be UNIVERSAL and timezone applied on top of it not this random variable). for the other thing, it's not so friendly to humans, whereas the urls are intended and expected to be hand-processable.
mircea_popescu: a sort of clearsign for the web, if you will.
mircea_popescu: that's why blog.com/?p=article_count is bad and blog.com/?p=article_title is good.
asciilifeform: yeah but the ~reason~ epochal time is seen as 'unfriendly' is precisely because we are so addicted to traditional calendar, no ?
mircea_popescu: no. it's because we have five digits and it has 14.
asciilifeform: and i will point out that epochs as implemented in sane places don't partake of the 'time zone' crapolade.
mircea_popescu: if you say "as implemented* (in sane places)" you've said "burn this thing down"
asciilifeform: nowhere did i say 'not burn down' ! l0l
mircea_popescu: :p
asciilifeform: incidentally epoch in ~hours~ is 6dig.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: 6 is still too many.
asciilifeform: fewer than a gregorian date !
mircea_popescu: ever wondered why it went away ?
asciilifeform: what did
mircea_popescu: gregorian date.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu been drinkin' or wat
asciilifeform: julian - went away.
asciilifeform: gregorian - is here.
mircea_popescu: ;/
mircea_popescu: that joke didn't work out!
asciilifeform: related legend: a very drinkin' fella is stopped by a traffic cop. the latter writes a ticket, and says 'be in the courtroom at 2'
asciilifeform: driver answers with question,
asciilifeform: '2 AM or FM ?'
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: in other otherliness,
asciilifeform: ''I don't see a reason to have a x of about the same size as the p. It should be sufficient to have one about the size of q or the later used k plus a large safety margin. Decryption will be much faster with such an x. Note that this is not optimal for signing keys becuase it makes an attack using accidential small K values even easier. Well, one should not use ElGamal signing anyway.'
asciilifeform: ^ guess where.
mircea_popescu: #delusional-idiots ?
asciilifeform: gnupg-1.4.10
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: to which i bolted a cramer-shoup thing, and started out thinking 'i'll reuse the elgamal piece, c-s is after all a variant of elgamal' but nooooo
asciilifeform: try and reuse ANYTHING !
asciilifeform: all full of wormz
asciilifeform: crumbles when you pick it up, like an old corpse.
mircea_popescu: http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=dfd8b9d8d38078c9fadb1b98bc8674bf9f26640d << sauce.
asciilifeform: there.
mircea_popescu: anyway. one should not use elgamal anything anyway.
asciilifeform: or from the tarball, originally posted by mircea_popescu (which is where i've been working from for past yr)
mircea_popescu: plox to not reuse in any shape or form.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: c-s uses the basic parts of elgamal, hence the investigation.
mircea_popescu: yeh.
mircea_popescu: ;;google worm castle rations
gribble: What Did Civil War Soldiers Eat? - Civil War Trust: <http://www.civilwar.org/education/pdfs/civil-war-curriculum-food.pdf>; Hardtack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardtack>; American Civil War Recipes and Cooking: <http://www.americancivilwar.com/tcwn/civil_war/civil_war_cooking.html>
mod6: mmhmmm, after an all day march, I should go for some of dat der hardtack
phf: any particular preferences if q=foo&q=bar should work as grep foo|grep bar or grep foo.*bar?
mircea_popescu: aren't these exactly identical ?
phf: well, no first one is going to catch both foo bar and bar foo, the second one only foo bar
asciilifeform: 'We have shown that GPG’s implementation of the ElGamal
asciilifeform: signature is totally insecure: an attacker can recover the signer’s private key from
asciilifeform: the public key and a single message/signature pair in less than a second.'
asciilifeform: ( https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8395/b33eb645c545fa51a5778ce6e2c927560283.pdf for aficionados. )
BingoBoingo: What about q=Xfoo&q=Y where X and Y are numbers representing the order in which the words were entered into the logs of the channel so the very first word is 1, etc.
BingoBoingo: Sorry q=X&q=Y
trinque: wtf is this shit
trinque: % ssh root@deedbot.org
trinque: ssh: connect to host deedbot.org port 22: Operation timed out
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: bl4kh0l3
davout: til deedbot is hosted on a gameboy advance
trinque: load average is 0.47 on the box, smelly frenchman
shinohai: https://archive.is/StTVT
davout: can't unsee
asciilifeform: shinohai: you will go on same list i have BingoBoingo on.
shinohai: :D
BingoBoingo: Come on, Lemon party is an internet classic
asciilifeform: goatse also classic.
asciilifeform: nonetheless.
BingoBoingo: How are you going to live boat when you haven't hardened yourself to the sight of a manatee gone belly up?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun give a damn re the gangrene.
asciilifeform: the other folks in here - barf
asciilifeform: but whatevers.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, pankkake reappears?!
BingoBoingo at this rate expects Jeb Bush to be the nominee
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Be vewy, vewy qwiet. We’uh hunting wabbits. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/19/be-vewy-vewy-qwiet-weuh-hunting-wabbits/
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/19/be-vewy-vewy-qwiet-weuh-hunting-wabbits/#comment-45237
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: phf ah right. | plox
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/#comment-117069 << if anyone cares to recommend the fellow "the book" on soviet propaganda...
asciilifeform: check back in a century or so
asciilifeform: there is not a the book.
asciilifeform: for one thing, 'soviet' means at least 4 distinct periods.
asciilifeform: as distinct as the roman republic vs empire
phf: gentlemen, i bring you slightly improved search: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+jew+black http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amirc+from%3Aascii+gpg http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22lizard+hitler%22+from%3Aascii
asciilifeform: neato!
phf: ahaha
mircea_popescu: o hey
phf: brb, i broke bought
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+beer+wine :D
hanbot: going through the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453842 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-14#1451677 ...you gonna to stand for that mircea_popescu?☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: mno. at the rate we're going s.nsa is publishing a closure statement early may.
shinohai: thx phf
hanbot: here be dragons eh
phf: but yeah, it greps by space separated words, greps by quoted strings (\" escape works) and recognizes from:foo, which composes. i.e. from:foo from:bar baz " foo bar " finds log entries from foo OR bar that contain both "baz" and " foo bar "
mircea_popescu shrug
mircea_popescu: phf now that's some power searching.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 both import and dumpprivkey work \o/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: shinohai: if you're gonna use the wallet, you'll probably want mod6's patch for -lows too
shinohai: Already using it ^.^
trinque: sweet
shinohai: Got tired of borking wallet.dat's using cruddy pywallet
phf: (some things broke from incomplete state deploy, but things should be back to normal)