mircea_popescu: derpy govt movement purporting to priviledge murders involving females ("femicidio") over murders in general.
mircea_popescu: out of ~50 or so dead hookers in the past 20 years, the police "solved" 3 cases.
trinque: asciilifeform: was just looking at it
trinque: seems like it's just running quite slow
mircea_popescu: this is about on par with their performance generally.
trinque: asciilifeform: nothing heavy. I will probably give in and write my own RSS thing this week.
trinque: appears to be the only way to have working items
mircea_popescu: finance discussion, like most discussion as well as practice in "civilised society" suffers from a pruned-middle problem.
mircea_popescu: idiotic nonproblems and extremely advanced problems are discussed ; but there's no discussion of anything to bridge that gap.
mircea_popescu: the pruned-middle being a reference to buffett and that fiscal discussion, "in which you become grain"
mircea_popescu: it'd seem, to my naive intuition, that the interest alone couldn't explain this weird.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Best to ignore "store brands" unless you are getting consumables. 2.5 gallons of 41% glyphosate concentrate, HDX is fine. Tool, probably not fine.
BingoBoingo: Store brands are where china's finest corners get cut.
covertress: sorry to spam n dash... but, I'm pooped... cu tomorrow ;) nn - Steph
thestringpuller: mod6: hitman has taught me that a lot of accidents in the world may not have been accidents
mod6: <+thestringpuller> mod6: hitman has taught me that a lot of accidents in the world may not have been accidents << aha, 'tis a great game isn't it?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell covertress once again your thing was beat by an altcorn for media attention
mircea_popescu: anyway. gathering some data would lead us to FIRST think about "disease, poverty war". THEN after we've grown out of kindergarten and its infantile emotional responses, it would lead us to think about our priors, such as "Every life is sacred", and so on.
mircea_popescu: where by so on i mean truly basic stuff such as "what happens to a tub when you open the faucets and plug the drain ???"
mircea_popescu: and then szabo goes on to hurr while blogging on google's platform. sigh.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: his intentions may be, as declared, good, or just as well as undeclared ill ; but in any case his perspective is misalligned.
mircea_popescu: dude fucking twitter is unreadable now. most of the screen is a "promoted tweet" which 1) has exactly nothing to do with anything and 2) is exactly the sort of slimy, anticool, "here's me being sexy - with a hoodie" stupidity. it's like all the girls that dedicated their adolescence to "abstinence only" moved on to "corporate advertising / governance" or some shit.
☟︎ thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i had to unfollow George Takei cause I think he's just being paid by blog spammers to post blog spam.
thestringpuller: dont even need to promote tweets if lame (but somehow "popular") celebrities will devolve to pederasty and shill
mircea_popescu: is this the guy with the story about how he fucked a 16yo french girl on the riviera because at the time ?
thestringpuller: Nimoy was the only one who posted anything interested out of Shatner, Takei and himself, but he dead now.
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform can you find the first reference for "star pattern" ?
a111: Logged on 2015-02-03 23:23 mircea_popescu: "why vote for women ? because if women spend more time talking to the state and less talking to their husbands, the state will be stronger and society weaker"
a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:50 mircea_popescu: the socialist state does not want a normally functioning society, but instead this stellar configuration where the state is at the center,
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 12:13 mircea_popescu: and then szabo goes on to hurr while blogging on google's platform. sigh.
mircea_popescu: sigh. fucking derivative culture. anyone got a link to goatse ?
mircea_popescu: piece of shit google listing cakes and corporashithead light jokes. goatse.cx is gone... \
mircea_popescu: An email address like no other, launching in early December 2012 for limited release. Your favourite email host meets Goatse..." />
mircea_popescu: meta name="keywords" content="mail,goatse,email,email hosting,goatse mail,goatsemail" />
mircea_popescu: because totally, that's how it works. fucktard aluminun siding salesmen...
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: If your only "competition" is Toni Lane Caserole, I'm a little sad inside.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-07 14:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'terminator seed' is actually a very intriguing instrument from the standpoint of the mega-state. solves the ancient problem of the peasants not really needing the state for much of anything (as described in j. scott's 'the art of not being governed.')
mircea_popescu: soon enough they're going to have a nother one of these, right ?
mircea_popescu: "we can't get a table straighter than 0.3% but we'll discuss bitcoin"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's basically speed dating for people who suck too much to admit they are lonely
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically the question proves his point.
mircea_popescu: myeah, the "we gotta get some cash together" phase was more 88/89
mircea_popescu: yeah. the very sharp desperation come to think of it was more of a ro thing. everyone else, from yugos and poles all the way over to moscow had a lot more sense than to take socialism seriously.
thestringpuller: when i was reading that i asked myself, "Who travels with cash anymore?"
thestringpuller: wasn't the seinfeld era also the era of "traveler's cheques" and shiznit?
phf: i used to travel with cash before i got an hsbc account
phf: asciilifeform: as far as i gather they have highest ground coverage of all banks on account of running the world, which means that i can get a no fee atm pretty much anywhere
thestringpuller: mod6: it's insane man. the AI in Absolution is a beast. when you kill someone normally, like with gun or fiber wire, it leaves marks on the body, and AI will see that. so they detect someone is there. however, there are ways people can die where the AI is just like "Huh. That's a shitty way to go." For instance I put some kinda acid in this d00ds hair regrowing gel or whatever. he puts it on, and it melts his head off and everyone aro
phf: asciilifeform: amt fees, international fees and also fees that atms charge on top of withdrawl?
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly. the problem with cards isn't the piddly dollar or w/e the atm charges.
phf: that's another thing, can find a branch pretty much anywhere
mircea_popescu: if i have a roll and i want to pay 2k, i peel 2k off the roll. if i have a card i do what, wait for a week to get 400 / day ?
mircea_popescu: and no, you can't find a branch pretty much anywhere outside the us. what you find and don't know any better are independent organisations that bought the right to use the name.
phf: they turned you down when you walked in?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: doesn't this require you to have stacks of cash at your residence?
mircea_popescu: but manhattan hq was "oh, we can't do that, they're not actually OURS" when i wanted them to etc.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yes, having access to cash requires you to have access to cash.
thestringpuller: so you don't leave any cash in banks or like what is the arrangement there is more what I'm inquring about :P
trinque: bahaha yes, he's now going to tell you where his money is at.
trinque: y'know... I bet he has a few of them buttcoins.
phf: mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say hsbc branches are everywhere, but they've been in every country i've been to so far
mircea_popescu: i actually use a clip. it's pretty great, can swallow a hundred bill stack vertically, or else just folds whatrever.
phf: and i've extracted cash from them for the duration of my stay
mircea_popescu: phf to put it in these terms, your high opinion of your insurance is mostly built on you not having had anything covered.
thestringpuller: trinque: lemme rephrase; MPEx::Bitcion as X::USD what is X? Obviously no bank qualifies there.
mircea_popescu: did it actually happen to you that you had your card skimread in foreign jurisdiction and hsbc was "oh fuck we'll squish those fuckers"
phf: mircea_popescu: no, i had some dodgy charges removed though
mircea_popescu: but you know, the nightmare scenario is when seven+ figure account is linked to half a dozen cards which regularly pay for things such as "dinner for six at chez victor".
phf: asciilifeform: this is empty rhetoric unless you're actually not using a bank account
phf: i mean, ~i~ benefit from "$300 back", why would i pretend like i'm mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: they mostly don't, and the "i'm not about to use card in foreign skimreader slit" is unescapable policy in plenty of real life situations.
phf: i have a card that's linked to my spending account, where i have to explicitly go and transfer money from a different account. at most i'm standing to lose $5k or so
phf: i find it convenient, that, so far, i was able to walk into branches in different parts of the world, and extract 2-3k at a time to cover me for a few days of vacation. sometimes i also get sloppy (3am, i'm drunk), so i'll pull money from atm in some dodgy location
mircea_popescu: that's not what you most stand to lose. what you most stand to lose is this situation where you "lose it", and tell the bank to close it, which they won't, so have to be screamed at and threatened, so they "do", except they keep re-opening it as the charges keep coming in, over ~years~.
mircea_popescu: so you keep having to scream and threaten, ie, half a mil over two decades.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem with trusting us banking/anything really : they lie.
mircea_popescu: and then keeps sending you overdraft notices, and on and on.
phf: the overdraft thing, i thought, is a feature, that you negotiate when you sign the contract
mircea_popescu: phf depends. you mean "the overdraft thing" as a feature to serve you, or as a feature to serve them ?
mircea_popescu: there's no "closed account" artefact, in spite of customer intuition to the contrary.
mircea_popescu: just like there is no "fuck you and your alimony, until and unless customer signs you a checque you can go dangle"
phf: asciilifeform: i don't think that's "secret", that's somewhere in the contract that you sign with a visa network, which is separate from bank's contract
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's to elaborate ? "item x does not exist" "but i think it does" "good for you and good luck with santa"
phf: asciilifeform: banks don't have to close the account, and if your account has been linked to visa, they have to keep it mandatory open for the duration of something like 10 years from your last transaction, which is how long visa network can claim a chargeback
phf: civilian accounts are always linked to visa network by default "you can access your savings from this card too, ain't it swell"
phf: ah but you have to have the counterparty
mircea_popescu: anyway, not to say that the patient, organised, large entity can't actually tailor something that works for them ; but for retail (ie, you're worth millions or less) customer to expect they get THAT by default is cruisin' for a bruisin'. which is not so much of a problem generally because the lifestyle of us peonry is very narrow anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no official smokescreen per se ; just, the us is predicated on "saying no is mean". what follows is soup.
mircea_popescu: also the described hobo-rubbish thing actually happened irl. there's tons of sad stories of the middle class encountering us bank system.
mircea_popescu: yes, and also the reason pretty much everyone in mexico has dreamcatcher on wall.
mircea_popescu: in general, companies have a serious problem - because unless they're on the "official list google returns results from", the business case is rather weak - companies don't live too long. bank has little reason to try and salvage the business of an entity that lives on average under a decade.
mircea_popescu: even something like apple - here today, gone tomorrow. alphabet inc was fdounded... 2015. ie it's not yet 2 years old. on it goes.
mircea_popescu: generally, once the founder dies you can assume usg got it. just liek in roman empire.
mircea_popescu: much like if you're aiming to tell me google makes 70bn a year out of people paying for online advertising...
mircea_popescu: the whole market is not even 1% that, and mostly fed by very short lived foools
mircea_popescu: (+the government of argentina - which is currently paying google money to advertise itself to me, in terms of "soberania". the lulz of this is apparently lost for every spanish speaking tard)
mircea_popescu: but who knows, maybe if they give google its cut they'll be able to place bonds in a year or two again. paul graham has the details.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the problem with the world that "magically" works is that if one day it magically stops working you're invited to go magically fuck yourself.
mircea_popescu: tautology is the last ditch in the fight with they who do not wish to understand the plainly obvious. there's little more to be said to "i just want it to work" crowd than some tautology or other, because the problem in their head is exactly this : to them, it ISNT tautological.
phf sits there sadly with his hsbc account
mircea_popescu: lol i was talking in teh general. dun worry, has nothing to do with you.
phf: it was my last link to jet setters, men of the world
mircea_popescu: the deep problem is that any known implementation of division of labour imports magic.h
mircea_popescu: so this is far from a resolved problem. no actual action is required of you ; merely the understanding suffices.
mircea_popescu: (the most successful to date thing tried, to resolve this - commodification - is turning out to be worse a solution than no solution at all. between dicamba, alf's saw, my heater and hollywood movies, the point is pretty sorely obvious.)
mircea_popescu: hence all the appeal of "colored coins" "dao" blablabla. to people with no experience or clue of reality whatsoever, it truly seems like a complete solution - commodification without the downsides!!!
mircea_popescu: for everyone else - there's the wot. and the fucking important point from this view of republican history to date is just this : we've actually built a selection of magic spells that are both a) magic to the user and b) fixable through a definite process.
thestringpuller: "The share of people under 30 who own a business has fallen by 65 percent since the 1980s and is now at a quarter-century low, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of Federal Reserve data."
☟︎ trinque: 945bed24a93fdde2ab94b47503a00e40ec935faeb05a59a803315e24929d6dcd93d1e58ee18f1bbc6e11166d6a22425ba9c323d55f40d5700849e03eeb8291e5 /var/www/html/build-bitcoind-V99994.sh
covertress: ;;later tell BingoBoingo said press release not yet approved by Lux Univ PR dept. was taste for TMSR eyes only.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 12:34 mircea_popescu: dude fucking twitter is unreadable now. most of the screen is a "promoted tweet" which 1) has exactly nothing to do with anything and 2) is exactly the sort of slimy, anticool, "here's me being sexy - with a hoodie" stupidity. it's like all the girls that dedicated their adolescence to "abstinence only" moved on to "corporate advertising / governance" or some shit.
shinohai: i thought mircea_popescu proved that `promoted tweets` was garbage ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 23:03 mod6: ;;later tell danielpbarron You wanna help the Foundation test the latest V99994 incantation?
phf: join twitter to join conversation
trinque: danielpbarron: I met plenty in tx public school
trinque: they were the uggo chicks nobody wanted to fuck anyway
☟︎ trinque: what is this hypothetical other version of the abstinent chick?
danielpbarron: it's not really abstinence if nobody was trying to get at you anyway
trinque: that describes a property of you, not a property of her
a111: Logged on 2015-11-18 22:29 phf: they call him the elusive joe. -- nobody can catch him? -- nobody cares to
danielpbarron: 1) someone i'd want to fuck that 2) hasn't already been fucked
trinque: that's like waiting to get a job when the job for your True Self (TM) comes along
trinque: danielpbarron: I'm speaking from her perspective, not yours
danielpbarron: ok, but in that case all these fuckable girls would be married. They aren't, however. They just get passed around.
danielpbarron: my argument isn't that they should wait for mr. perfect. My argument is that they should stick with whoever got her first
☟︎ phf: whachamacallit, "riding the cock carousel"
trinque: danielpbarron: "should" leaves your argument to stand upon a "because reasons".
trinque: she doesn't stick around (and she's not psychologically miswired) it's probably because you suck
danielpbarron: i'm not necessarily describing girls that have left me, although they do exist
phf: trinque: presumably the argument is that she gets through a lot of sucky people before she gets to you, at which point you're not interested
danielpbarron: surely it is the failure of men when this happens. I do not blame the girls, for they are the "weaker vessels"
trinque: because what, defiled by cockessence?
☟︎ danielpbarron: not only is she defiled, so is the land. It's a violent act to separate what God has joined. I have a blog article that's nearly finished about just this.
trinque: sexual competition is biologically required; she's doing her job, man.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: is even more cock0phobic than asciilifeform !
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can't stand cocks in his porn, danielpbarron can't stand his cock touching a cunt that might have had other cocks in it!
ben_vulpes: post birth control, girls do not say no to cool guys.
phf: post birth control cool guy
trinque: danielpbarron should have no problem with him; his swimmers won't be able to go the distance
trinque: castration by skinny jeans
phf: somehow you can't just hold one variable, just cause you will it to be so. them dependency graphs find SAT, and the solution is might surprise you!
☟︎ danielpbarron: phf, it's no cool guy who would ditch her afterwards
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: your "cool" and her "cool" have ~epsilon to do with each other
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "HPSCI had broadly stated that it could withhold any document containing unclassified discussion on any topic that had been considered in executive session during Plaintiff’s 17 years of service, as opposed to protecting the substance of Committee proceedings. For instance, this allegedly would apply to any discussion of any budget issue at any time."
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 17:52 thestringpuller: "The share of people under 30 who own a business has fallen by 65 percent since the 1980s and is now at a quarter-century low, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of Federal Reserve data."
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 18:21 trinque: they were the uggo chicks nobody wanted to fuck anyway
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 18:28 danielpbarron: because 3) has a father who cares
pete_dushenski: mod6: pleased to report that 99994k spins up on deb7 without fuss. only comment would be on 'trb-howto' to suggest '-lows' command when booting bitcoind for the first time.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1522021 << this is a very naive view, based on the behaviour of poor beta bois. girls get "passed around" until they meet the right guy. who generally doesn't give much of a shit who she fucks per se ; , but who does make her unavailable for teaming up with rando kids.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 18:31 danielpbarron: my argument isn't that they should wait for mr. perfect. My argument is that they should stick with whoever got her first
pete_dushenski: "Japan’s central bank is set to become the top shareholder of 55 companies in the Nikkei" << this can only be good for fiat
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 20:20 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: your "cool" and her "cool" have ~epsilon to do with each other
ben_vulpes: one cannot use a commodity improperly.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1522033 << the idea is not entirely without merit. people are entirely made up of their heuristics ; much like a child who spent the language-formative years among orangoutans will never make a great tenor, writer or public speaker ; just so a girl who spent the heuristic-formative years among retards will never make a good whore, spymaster or etc.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 18:37 trinque: because what, defiled by cockessence?
mircea_popescu: whether she fucks them or not is immaterial, however. hence my recomendation of iran : he might discover that in a hundred smoking hot virgin babes, thereby fitting his bill as stated, there's not a single one worth the hassle.
trinque: yep, I will write a from-scratch RSS thing sometime this week.
trinque: as apparently this is required.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so move to admire the classical civilisation. lotta stuff worth seeing in the middle east.
danielpbarron: what I don't get is how the "cool guys" as you put it don't mind that their girls have been "passed around"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: greek architectural theories are chinese now ??
mircea_popescu: because she's not made of soap! to be an athlete you gotta work out ; to be a cunthlete you gotta put out.
danielpbarron: i cannot fathom why anyone would want her to be trained by other guys
trinque: danielpbarron: it's an insecurity, i.e. "if she has had other dick onoes she might think of that dick at some point"
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, do you not keep up with a harem of women?
mircea_popescu: yes, women can and will downregulate. but that's later in life.
trinque: if not in her mind, where does the specter of cock-defilement live
danielpbarron: in the mind of whoever she fucked, and in the nation, and the land itself
trinque: so now her cunt belongs to us all equally?
mircea_popescu: eh get out of here. it's not so simple as all that. recall that famous japanese chick that fucked some dude to stick a stilleto in his brain because he had won a war / killed her father ?
danielpbarron: trinque, no it belongs to her father at first, and then to her husband
mircea_popescu: if he were in wot there's hope he wouldn't be doing stupid shit.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: melamine biscuits are besides the point. the point is that muricans manifestly suck at not only using name materials like brick and stone, instead preferring shitboard, but that they can't even assemble them into anything coherent. really just a reiteration of the old 'garbage in, garbage out' adage i guess.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the article is merely observing that 48yo pack-a-day smoking whoor looks black inside ~and~ outside
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: except if you had spoilers on a trabant, you'd be forced to ask 'why do those need to be there' to which the answer is 'oh because the car is dreadfully engineered and will lose stability and traction above 50mph'
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah. thing's 39 lines using feedparser. braindead simple loop.
pete_dushenski: that the mcmansion is designed by children who failed ~technologist~ programs (not even architecture school) is indicative of deeper rot.
pete_dushenski: bicycle doesn't need spoilers at that speed but trabant does ? this is a problem.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: don't anchor to the numbers... i only brought them up to overcome your lawnmower nonsense
mircea_popescu: i dunno what trabant did 100km/h. maybe in lab conditions, engine on bench sort of theory.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought it was all either electric or else 4stroke for the ride-on stuff. 2strioke is such loud, smoky nonsense...
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: hm don't recall mp's bud's housebuilding thread
pete_dushenski: 2-stroke is common in orclandnorth. seen in snowblowers, leafblowers, etc.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1522049 << this is actually the controlling point. for all the theoretical theory of how "woman" should be ; you're still going to meet individual women with which it works or it doesn't. plenty of cases "the wrong" works way better than the theoretical best, even if present (which it oft isn;t)
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 19:13 phf: somehow you can't just hold one variable, just cause you will it to be so. them dependency graphs find SAT, and the solution is might surprise you!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't dispute that with care, and expert handling, even a stock trabant might, on perfect roads, safely drive 100km/h briefly.
mircea_popescu: however, the actual artefact of the time in the context of its time was maybe capable of 80, and otherwise liked the 50/55/60 limits.
a111: Logged on 2014-03-04 22:05 mircea_popescu: romanian friends went to us, bought land, proceeded to build (proper) house
a111: Logged on 2014-09-12 15:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the case of the people making that very cheap wholly natural house, being ordered to destroy it ?
pete_dushenski: crazy... mp's pal must've been in new suburb. most every city in orcland has 'old' 'established' neighbourhoods with 100+yo mansions allowing if not even requiring 'proper' house to be built. ofc, land values in such areas are astronomical.
☟︎ gribble: Error: "tlsb" is not a valid command.
gribble: Time since last block: 58 minutes and 52 seconds
trinque: someone sacrifice a virgin to the chaos god
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: country estates in airstrip one work just fine in 'rural pisshole'
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 24 seconds
a111: Logged on 2013-05-08 01:55 gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 55 minutes, and 38 seconds
a111: Logged on 2013-05-08 02:18 gribble: Time since last block: 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 59 seconds
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: like round trotskyite eyeglasses, these things come and go.
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 38 seconds
gribble: Current Blocks: 425379 | Current Difficulty: 2.1737548275723764E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 427391 | Next Difficulty In: 2012 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 14 hours, 16 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
gribble: Time since last block: 5 minutes and 24 seconds
phf: for a person who dreams of sleep ad libitum you sure snore a lot
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 21:12 pete_dushenski: crazy... mp's pal must've been in new suburb. most every city in orcland has 'old' 'established' neighbourhoods with 100+yo mansions allowing if not even requiring 'proper' house to be built. ofc, land values in such areas are astronomical.
mircea_popescu: only ustard will go into "high value", watch that erode from under their feet.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 22:15 asciilifeform: phf: i've been sleeping ad libitun since mid-may.
mircea_popescu: it's complicated, esp in the states. in romania much more trivial a point, growth pattern of cities quite obvious.
mircea_popescu: but the idea is that you want to be 10-20 years early to the party. much like you know, if you're gonna rent out fuckspace at burning man, best go there a day early park the van right.
pete_dushenski: this 10-20 jump ahead of the 'cool' kids i've seen work here as well. currently 50-60s neighbourhoods are the attractive ones for $profit here.
mircea_popescu: much easier to pull off in places that had historically insane restraints on land development which just went away. a lot harder to do in places which are increasingly insane.
pete_dushenski: the neat thing about places (like edm) that are increasingly insane is that the definition of 'what's central' continues to expand as the peripheries explode across the prairie landscape.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ty, coda has been rehumored
BingoBoingo: Anyway pete ty for adding coverage of another life science today.
pete_dushenski just waited 3 hrs for tx conf with 0.00022 fee. "bitcoin is the worst form of e-payments, except for all the rest." (tm) (r)