phf: выходит маяковский из кабака, окруженный стайкой девиц. девицы начинают его охаживать: — владимир! а это правда, что вы можете сочинить стихотворение прямо с ходу, на месте? — конечно! — говорит подвыпивший поэт революции, — давайте тему! — ну, вот видите
phf: идешь с блядями и иди! маяковский: — пойдемте, девушки, это есенин.
phf: more like "never mind, ladies, it's bernard"
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mod6: Peace in our ctime(); << i lul'd
mod6: "just imagine that these things don't exist. see, all better now!"
mod6: bad news? no problem.
mod6 puts fingers in ears.
mod6: lalalalalalalalalala
mircea_popescu: this is shaping up to being a pretty great autumn really.
mircea_popescu: incidentally BingoBoingo : it ~would~ be fair to say that the bitfinex failure as presented by bitfinex amounts exactly to a major failure of the dao as meagrely implemented in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i don't comprehend why you entertain the tards above and beyond "honey, close your eyes and think of the empire", but each his own i guess.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what nobody on a stick's idea of anything is.
mircea_popescu: i guess what i'm saying is that i admire your patience.
ben_vulpes: so what actually happened with the multisig shits?
phf: i'm writing subs for girl, because official english translation is awful
phf: yeah, put that blog of mine to some use
deedbot: smef voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: so i finally got around to watching that thai prince orgy video thing.
mircea_popescu: holy shit these idiots! ITS A TOPLESS WOMAN AT A POOL PARTY!
mircea_popescu: the woman i sat down to watch it with was ALL NUDE! who the fuck cares omfg the tamest stht ever
mircea_popescu: and to add insult to injury they do all sort of complicated ceremonial futzing around some catered looking cake prior to singing HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU
mircea_popescu: do these idiots not have a language or what the fuck is their problem already.
mircea_popescu: iirc ro upper crust still sings o tannenbaum at teh tree
phf: 40 seconds in, i switched from watching that video to watching an old soviet cartoon..
mircea_popescu: anyway, if my dungeon videos ever leak there's going to be a ~100mn or so new cases of apoplexy that year ?
phf: pretty much definition of "op didn't deliver"
deedbot: jodym voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: it's ugh the Alaskan yellow bear
shinohai: mircea_popescu: maybe they use the same metrics counter as twitter does.
gribble: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "-!-!" is not a valid command.
phf: !go-home-gribble-you're-drunk
gribble: Error: "go-home-gribble-you're-drunk" is not a valid command.
shinohai: Buttstamp: "We would like to reassure all customers that Bitstamp's implementation of multisig is fundamentally different from the one at Bitfinex"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform somehow rape's always followed by asking for seconds.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> incidentally BingoBoingo : it ~would~ be fair to say that the bitfinex failure as presented by bitfinex amounts exactly to a major failure of the dao as meagrely implemented in bitcoin. << Indeed, as presented
mircea_popescu: how about "if you lack the authority to detain people indefinitely THEREFORE you lack the authority to engage in any behaviour that may lead to it, including trying to prosecute this nonsense"
mircea_popescu: somehow a plain reading is never within the purview of militant idiocy.
mircea_popescu: alternatively simply is not invited, can go on about his nonsense in his mom's basement while that lasts.
mircea_popescu: any time this "hitler" grows a pair, he can come over and we can have a chat.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you, until and unless kid is actually visible in the world nobody can interact with him,
mircea_popescu: i thought back when it was voat.co reddit mostly did kiddie porn.
mircea_popescu: btw : the muslims actually do the whole chain thing. point in case : "Nabil Received five Ijazas/certificate from several respected scholars in Egypt. He has an Ijaza with an authentic, short chain of 26 from him to our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings Be upon Him)."
deedbot: forgotmypw voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Their cocks like their wiretaps require their toilet grabber
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform two points here being that a) the "global dragnet" is much more difficult to use than you imagine ; and much less productive, being more of a prestige item than a tool of any sort ; b) they're discussing a specific item. if i ask you how many stovetops you have in your house you wouldn't count the roof, notwithstanding the sun heating it is, energetically, more significant.
mircea_popescu: also missing, the great american novel. as well as a dictionary of the french language.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the curious amateur historian may be well served by a review of the 2nd anglo-dutch war. some underlined parts : the anglos were deeply overextended politically - their crummy country consisting of one single town and a bunch of retarded peasants ; while the republic had many more merchants, with lots more money. in practice this meant that the english could pay for one ship where the dutch could afford seven ;
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but obviously the english ordered ships they couldn't possibly pay for and called this "a cash problem". to be resolved by privateers - except the dutch privateers were both better and more productive.
mircea_popescu: then they induced the bishop of munster, a sort of medieval thug, to invade the republic, under promise of "large subsidies". those subsidies never materialized, being promised by the broke-ass anglos as they were ; brandenburg moved in from the east and the naive turk uh i mean bishop of munster was forced to a rather disfavourable peace for his trouble / idiotic naivity.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile charles keep trying to make peaces with the republic, by offering vague nothings.
mircea_popescu: but they also drew up plans for overthrowing the republic's government, in a very muchly amusing color revolution (the future english king was to come from the house of Orange, you realise!)
mircea_popescu: they were ~accidentally~ supplied to de witt in a pile of other documents. which resulted in some beheadings.
mircea_popescu: altogether a funny thing, especially in the sense that these idiots learned ~nothing in five centuries.
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fabio__: number one on the faq has a bit saying replacing RSA with ECC is not a good idea:
fabio__: "Part of their efforts is the push towards Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) to replace RSA, in spite of obvious mathematical weaknesses in this proposition.
fabio__: There has been quite a bit of noise about ECC NIST curves (nistp256, nistp384, nistp521) being tampered with by the NSA. I thought using ECC was all good if you don't use the NIST curves and instead use community approved curves like Curve25519 and Curve1174 by like DJB and friends, or other approved ones at
https://safecurves.cr.yp.to/. ☟︎ fabio__: So what does the nsl faq mean, are the obvious mathematical weaknesses the NIST curves or some other issue with ECC as compared to RSA?
mircea_popescu: ethereum forked by "agreement of the community", does the result satisfy your expectations, for instance ?
mircea_popescu: the republic doesn't, nor does any lord that i know of, recommend using ecc in any serious capacity. that's the community. otherwise, if you wish to say "i trust djb and whatever he says i'll take" this is fine, but it's a matter of personal investment not "community" nonsense.
fabio__: ok, I didn't realise there was not a consensus.
mircea_popescu: be wary of consensi generally, for it rarely is more than a device in late night tv commercials.
fabio__: people are rolling it out, openssh has supported it since 2014 i think. one of the openssl devs was asking for code to merge
mircea_popescu: openssh is a scandalous piece of trojan work, on the other hand.
deedbot: forgotmypw voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> openssh is a scandalous piece of trojan work, on the other hand. << OpenSSL is, OpenSSH is collateral damage
mircea_popescu: they support anything and everything but sound cryptography, proper rng etc.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, somehow they didn't miss out implementing utf, they just neglected to check their crypto code. great set of priorities there.
BingoBoingo: WHo could tell over the noise, twas a voice vote!
fabio__: so in reference to #1 is DJB questionable?
BingoBoingo: But until he registers a key and bros out here questionable in his respectability as he lacks a declaration of allegiance.
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fabio__: and in reference to #2 the point of contention is equivalent strength with RSA for a given bitlength?
mircea_popescu: fabio__ you don't specifically know whether and which curves may be surprisingly weak. community consensus can't fix this.
mircea_popescu: in general when dealing with snake oil, and cryptography currently is indistinguishable from such, is to take the simplest form.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing simpler than rsa ; ecc certainly doesn't meet that qual.
fabio__: so ECC is new and still unproven, wereas RSA is well understood and a safer bet
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 17:42 asciilifeform: and point of thread was 'no one has shown with any degree of rigour whatsoever, ~how~ hard'
mircea_popescu: the ycombinator derps on the other hand have ~nothing to lose.
mircea_popescu: you were here when tiny boo boo exploded into gawker bankruptcy followed by nick denton personal bankruptcy soonish to be followed by actual imprisonment over lying to judges etc ?
mircea_popescu: the exact same thing COULD happen to bob sauerberg. tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: unlike bob, nobody on a stick and sam altman own nothing, and have nothing to lose. they sleep in ~prison / airbnb as it is.
deedbot: fabio__ voiced for 30 minutes.
fabio__: so one final question, at what point would you guys consider ECC to be useable? 5 years of field with no reported issues?
fabio__: well, thanks for talking the time to answer my questions
fabio__: i totally agree, but what I was getting at was what methods of analysis do you trust
fabio__: internet protocols have RFCs
fabio__: by the time they have made it there they have undergone enough analysis to be robust enough to use
fabio__: how did you arrive at this conclusion?
deedbot: nosuchlabswww voiced for 30 minutes.
nosuchlabswww: Not really. Just read about phuctor and the square rsa keys and shit.
mircea_popescu: fabio__ rsa has the advantage that it's the simpler solution. i thought i said this before.
nosuchlabswww: Havent been in a irc since 1999. Brings back memories.
mircea_popescu: or do you specifically want to hear it out of his mouth also.
fabio__: you did, but I'm fighting through the snark to ask for more details ;)
mircea_popescu: not that we're even sure "complexity class" is meaningfully defined for this purpose
mircea_popescu: last the topic was took up it came out that no, it's absolutely not.
fabio__: so in your mind, new comers are not worth considering RSA unless they are equivalent in complexity or simpler. and until RSA is broken no need to migrate?
mircea_popescu: fabio__ rsa is not breakable in the "shit someone broke openssl" sense you seem to be thinking of.
mircea_popescu: if someone breaks rsa you have all sorts of other problems to contend with.
fabio__: yes I know, integer factorisation problem
fabio__: so in your mind, new comers are not worth considering RSA unless they are equivalent in complexity or simpler. and until RSA is broken no need to migrate? <-- is this fair?
mircea_popescu: what does "new comers" mean ? like, people fresh out of highschool ?
mircea_popescu: you mean, "alternatives for rsa are not worth contemplating" ? sure, they are, much like anything's worth contemplating. it's educative if nothing else.
mircea_popescu: but "the new better replacement for copper pipe" is not worth contemplating today like it wasn't worth contemplating in 516 ad.
fabio__: your said "fabio__ rsa has the advantage that it's the simpler solution."
fabio__: so alternatives that are more complex are regarded as lesser
mircea_popescu: always and everywhere in engineering, this is the case.
mircea_popescu: well the ecc justification is "shorter keys", other than a bunch of "new! better!" crapola.
fabio__: ok I think I understand your position a bit better now thanks
deedbot: nosuchlabswww voiced for 30 minutes.
nosuchlabswww: Not trying to spam. Check out qntra dot net. Fourth article down is about rsa and brought me here. Good read and new article.
nosuchlabswww: Phuctor Finds Seven Keys Produced With Null RNG, And Other Curiosities
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw re the fermat discussion, i wonder if anyone ever did a proper review of rsa code for lattice and fermat-closeness weakness in p,q generation.
mircea_popescu: one obviously hopes that gpg did. but then again the brutal teacher that is experience shows it's wiser to suspect everyone merely hoped someone else did it.
mircea_popescu: yes but no. for one thign you don't do lattice search iirc ? for the other, the keys we're working on are too large.
mircea_popescu: more practical would be to force the code to make a pile of say 64 byte keys and sieve them.
mircea_popescu: /* make sure that nbits is even so that we generate p, q of equal size */ << what ?
a111: Logged on 2015-05-24 14:45 Apocalyptic: "there's no guarantee p and q have the same bitsize is there ?" // I think there is, a couple of lines above it generates them both with nbits/2 bits, so I would say yes, unless there is a bug in "generate_secret_prime", because this function specifically sets the two high bits to 1
mircea_popescu: when we reimplement rsa plox : a) either p length odd and q length even or vice-versa ; b) neither within 1 of a lattice power
mod6: <+asciilifeform> could've sworn this was in the logz << i recall a few discussions, ya.
mircea_popescu: actually to formalize that : a 4096 bits key means a p that is 257 to 259 bytes long ; and a q that is 258 to 260 bytes long. end of fucking story.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 02:58 mircea_popescu: incidentally, the curious amateur historian may be well served by a review of the 2nd anglo-dutch war. some underlined parts : the anglos were deeply overextended politically - their crummy country consisting of one single town and a bunch of retarded peasants ; while the republic had many more merchants, with lots more money. in practice this meant that the english could pay for one ship where the dutch could afford seven ;
mircea_popescu: yes, that's right : landed at chatham, burned the ships, FAILED TO BURN THE FUCKING DOCKYARDS.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-20 15:03 mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1139680 << speaking of this, am I the only one nonplussed by all this "we use <<best practices>> fixed exponent" bs ? it's an unavoidalbe magic number , okay, but it's tyhe sort that should eminently be a knob for the user. a proper gpg would have e user-settable at the key generation phase (with 65536+1 as a default, sure)
mircea_popescu: mod6 ok but none of this resulted in "current gpg shitfest is acceptable"
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> more practical would be to force the code to make a pile of say 64 byte keys and sieve them. << this would be interesting.
BingoBoingo: "The results mean that, on Nov. 8, the state's gubernatorial race will be between Koster, a former Republican turned Democrat, and Greitens, a former Democrat turned Republican."
mircea_popescu: and speaking of gpg deplorable state asciilifeform can you think of any possible reason the damned thing doesn't come a) bundled with ent and b) with ready implemented tests of local entropy while c) key generation is a subset of entropy testing in all cases ?
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shinohai: Well after getting his fudge packed for so long, I guess it finally made it's way to his brain.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 06:15 mircea_popescu: and speaking of gpg deplorable state asciilifeform can you think of any possible reason the damned thing doesn't come a) bundled with ent and b) with ready implemented tests of local entropy while c) key generation is a subset of entropy testing in all cases ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but this is not a reason to not have the tool.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you're in the position of the camper who doesn't pack a burner because, technically speaking, he doesn't know there will be oxygen where he goes, not having been there before.
mircea_popescu: (also by definition whitening doesn't trivially pass the tests, just superficially seems to.)
mircea_popescu: passing it better than the real thing is failing, innit.
mircea_popescu: well, it's a statistical matter, so modellable like any other.
mircea_popescu: anywya, i don't dispute that "accidentally"-deliberately nobody put any effort into rng quality assurance ; key quality assurance ; etc.
mircea_popescu: but i do dispute that for this reason it then follows there also can't be put any.
mircea_popescu: all tests must always and forever be in the hand of hte user.
mircea_popescu: the concept of test is, definitionally, "on user end".
mircea_popescu: it just doesn't actually speak to the foregoing. i suppose the correct rsa implementation comes with a kernel patch.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally those "accidental"-deliberate fucktards : fixed whitening scheme ? really ? what the FUCK! if there's anything in the entire fucking os the user must be able to customize, it's NOT the fucking glyph table / window size for the love of christmas fucks!)
mircea_popescu: maybe (there is a valid argument here, that at the time they were making this shit it was for toys not btc nodes). or maybe they're just usefully idiotarian.
mircea_popescu: i prefer to discern between the two by their reaction to events. the fact that they're not all here means they're all there.
mircea_popescu can't think of any valid excuse anyone involved in os design could possibly have not to already be in wot.
☟︎ mircea_popescu occasionally lulz at girlies earnestly clucking around to speed up key production.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 13:57 mircea_popescu can't think of any valid excuse anyone involved in os design could possibly have not to already be in wot.
mircea_popescu: as per aristotle, there is no such thing as "no design"
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i once knew anal sculptor girl. she'd insert condom full of prepared gypsum, shit it back out.
mircea_popescu: well no, feminist you see. had no use for those e=mc2 shapes that predilect the edge of light over roundnesses much more important ... to "us".
mircea_popescu: one time one person inquired at party "but what's with all the monster cocks"
mircea_popescu: see, but that's not it. same FUNCTION of organ. that's the issue. the anal ring is made to keep farts in, and ~arguably~ to pleasure a beloved penis now and again. this is very much the same function.
mircea_popescu: nobody asked you to force the poor thing to art ; much like nobody asked you to force the minimal brain of the huswife into producing political discourse and directing ships on the sea.
mircea_popescu: she's well equipped for the things she does, invidious gossip, raising children and burning the cabbage. there's really no call for cabbage os and burned "literature".
mircea_popescu: yes, everybody did. that's the problem. when derp mcherperson wants commit access to vomit her versiuon of invidious gossip therein as "comments" and "sensitivity", PEOPLE FORCE IT
mircea_popescu: instead of everyone laughing her into bulimia, and weekly egging and tping the house in which basement she dwells,
mircea_popescu: i get that it's a diffuse, socialist, retarded sort of forcing where nobody actually does anything that could possibly be upon them. but that dun matter so much, if you end up pushed out of bed by a colony of maggots, THE MAGGOTS DID IT.
mircea_popescu: even if any single maggot only exerted 1/800 N and as part of squirming in a different direction altogether,
mircea_popescu: no. a sane examinator always begins by twisting the necks he can, not the necks he "should".
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: merely opening the matter of should to the maggots is a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless - there must be collective guilt at work here, as a concept, for the opposition. if you are "a computer programmer", and you aren't part of the solution, you ARE part of the problem, ands personally responsible for it.
mircea_popescu: if you are a guy who was on a list where a maggot tried to get in and you didn't, personally, flame and humiliate that maggot,
mircea_popescu: if you participate in "communities" that make this difficult, you are, personally, a bad person. it's not "oh, i'm just trying to on facebook".
mircea_popescu: you're a bad person, there's no two wais about it, kiddy fuckers may be great or horrible. you're horrible, no great.
mircea_popescu: being "inclusive" is not merely distasteful. it is actually something to carry on your conscience, as a murder, except worse.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but hygiene starts as well as exists as a "better squishing". people given the "hey, it'd be elegant to wash" will wash and retain the bugs. people given the "hey, you will be in this dungeon until you squished all the bugs" given "hey, use this, works faster" WILL fucking wash.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing. especially to the inferior man, "hygiene" does not exist, as an abstract. it may only exist as "mechanized individual squishing"
mircea_popescu: the only practical starting point for hygiene in the mind of the golum is through forcing pain until a desired result. that it's unachievable through means available to the golum does not matter one iota.
mircea_popescu: well depends. i once had a colony of ants. which i personally liked.
mircea_popescu: no they were the black sort interested in bugs and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: they patrolled all the outside walls constantly. being no damage they could do to rebared concrete... i really didn't see the harm.
mircea_popescu: i also didn't mind them - but it did drive one girl positively crazy. couldn't sleep, eventually had a mild psychotic episode. so i got rid of them.
mircea_popescu: yeah, maybe they hunt them, though i've never personally seen it.
mircea_popescu: alternatively there's some pheromone interaction or something. dunno.
mircea_popescu: the point being that i have wisened to understand the problem. it is a lack of negative reinforcement.
mircea_popescu: the reason argentines drive horribly, as well as are incredibly inept economically, and the reason for pretty much all visible misbehaviour is exactly the same : lack of negative reinforcement.
mircea_popescu: if i start screaming at the idiots they WILL execute their job, and well. but absent my scream, they have no fucking idea they're doing a bad job, even. nobody ever told them so.
mircea_popescu: nobody ever told 20 yo girly, in her 16 or so years of active intellectual life to date, that she's fucking untalented and needs to go do something she can actually do.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so she ends up underwriting debt to "pursue" rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: idiots must be told they're dumb. often. loudly. in no uncertain terms.
mircea_popescu: this is universally the fucking problem. and it's passively supported by idiots' tendency to build life support systems for themselves, hence the all-pervasive socialism.
mircea_popescu: it's ~like a fungus colony that secretes plastic substrate for itself to live on.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, the solution seems to be quite simply vitriol. dissolve the "acceptance" blanket of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: i dun think so. to wit : every kid has a toy buldozer, which he does improvements to.
mircea_popescu: item such as "articulated bulldozer" which now exists and is factually useful in particular applications, did not exist 50 years ago, mostly because of machining difficulties involved.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the heavy machinery industry is today very much a "designer item" sort of thing, pretty much any large mine will order machinery to spec for its own particular use.
mircea_popescu: that 1% or w/e it shaves off costs over using generics is still many billions.
mircea_popescu: for all we know a buldozing naggum is dying right now.
mircea_popescu: all this shit is made of solid steel mostly because earthmoving is barely a step away from direct abrasion. it's like making tools to push the grinder.
mircea_popescu: actually oil drillers use a version of your arm thing.
mircea_popescu: not VERY flexible, <1/100 or somesuch, but still, can go in directions
PeterL: use more communist microshit and crapple?
mircea_popescu: "a font can't change your interpretation of a letter" AHAHAHAHA OH MY FUCKING IEHOVA
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this inevitably brings to mind the characters in BingoBoingo's links, who curse doctor for going to the root cause of bedridden maggot farm << See there was a purpose!
PeterL: you could make a custom font with each letter shifted (so my A looks like your B etc), right?
mircea_popescu: PeterL it's an application of idiotum per idiotius, really.
mircea_popescu: PeterL no. the "letters" you currently use are the result of FONT FLUCTUATION in the roman empire.
PeterL: aha, right, roman alphabet is just a transmutation of greek etc?
mircea_popescu: and hence numerous examples i'm too much of a business insider to bother fucking listing. who the fuck let these idiots write in the first place, they're an insult to the cattle that had to die for the vellum.
mircea_popescu: PeterL no, and leaving the greeks aside : one day some people decided to make an I that looked more like a J. sexier font, stylish, whatnot.
mircea_popescu: then the barbarians decided to hear distinction between i and j.
mircea_popescu: to this day "Exchange" in serbian is menjati, for this reason. two "i".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol imagine, we made a fat loser with no friends hate rabbits.
shinohai: Soon it will be a federal crime to use handgun or assault-rifle emojis
phf: the whole font changes meaning take two is coming from the japanese. they were actively promoting this idea back during early unicode standardization days, where there was a strong drive to include every idiosyncratic version of kanji in the standard, because "that's how my family writes it in our last name".
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: the notion of unicode is fucking stupid in the first place.
mircea_popescu: the ~only~ way to get useful symbolics, which does mean STRICTLY standardized symbols, is to have very few of them.
mircea_popescu: azn illiteracy is no excuse for doing things wrongly, which is why colonialism and the rape of nanking are more sensible policies than whatever the fuck's going on presently.
phf: they have an encoding in circulation, that actually encodes text in terms of font glyph offsets, which was also the way emacs did it initially. the solution was written by japanese, was called MULE, and that was one of the first major flame wars naggum participated in. famously forked his own version, etc.
mircea_popescu: i can't comprehend why anyone'd summon the interest to care. the only correct solution is to insist strict latin set exists throughout, and otherwise they can all get fucked.
mircea_popescu: "retroactively changes the meaning of text". what fucking text ? strings including "emoji" ipso facto carry no meaning.
PeterL: perhaps should be "retroactively changes the meaning of the message"
mircea_popescu: <ICEbЕrg> ПХГМЮБЮИРЕЯЭ ЙРН Б лЯЙ, ОНДЛНЯЙНБЭЕ Х оХРЕПЕ НАХРЮЕР?
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the romans : the whole "dickus maximus" bit in monty python is actually very strict scholarship. to the "rugged men of the fronteer", the speech of proper roman citizen sounded so fucking faggoty you can't imagine.
BingoBoingo still really that Puget Sound Muslim Association was big enough news for Liztler to kill Buttfunex over it
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other news, trilema has served 5.5 mn pages... this month.
mircea_popescu: what contemporary servers can do is pretty fucking shocking, for srs.
mircea_popescu: they have opinions on things, and the collected value of those opinions is nothing.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 03:05 fabio__: There has been quite a bit of noise about ECC NIST curves (nistp256, nistp384, nistp521) being tampered with by the NSA. I thought using ECC was all good if you don't use the NIST curves and instead use community approved curves like Curve25519 and Curve1174 by like DJB and friends, or other approved ones at
https://safecurves.cr.yp.to/. shinohai: $rate _FeltPen -1 My argument is you are just another redditard that sucks VC cock.
shinohai: $v 2D54080C8FB2A65B4A225D92C0737C87B6DC628B7BFAECC3BE734C8AAF78CB98
deedbot: shinohai rated _FeltPen -1 << My argument is you are just another redditard that sucks VC cock.
deedbot: DaoSancho voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: _FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
_FeltPen: !register A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24ABB6
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
_FeltPen: shinohai - what's up the tweet?
shinohai: But hey asciilifeform still on front page!
trinque: _FeltPen: you are already registered with deedbot
mircea_popescu: _FeltPen stop linking nonsense sm and explain stuff in plain terms before that half hour runs out
shinohai: Oh hai, I suppose you are merely another 21co fanboy that gets butthurt every time I point put how your $400 doorstop has no case, ad naseum
_FeltPen: i'm trying to figure out what shinohai is randomly tweeting at me and making up shit about VC relationships that don't exist. a little confused atm.
_FeltPen: what are you talking about shinohai? i don't have a 21co - i tend to root for folks that make things for this ecosystem.
shinohai: I'm sorry, I was unaware 21co actually made anything useful for this ''ecosystem"
_FeltPen: normally sanity lives here, so a little confused by your nonsense today.
_FeltPen: who said anything about it being useful? i just said they made something.
mircea_popescu: shinohai _FeltPen do you two have anything more substantive of a beef than what one might have implied by what he might have said on facebook ?
_FeltPen: i hope . . . normally, i just lurk and learn. happy to keep doing that.
mircea_popescu: what do you do other than lurking ? ie, "for teh ecosystem"
shinohai: Besides getting trggered by a hashtag, for instance.
_FeltPen: speculate, write, research, buy coin, mine, etc. - usual stuff.
_FeltPen: tbf - haven't mined in a while, but i have a nice fleet of antminer S1s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, "owned by whitening" is not altogether a bad theory wrt the null-entropy keys. ie, "they replaced rng with null-outputting one, never noticed because whitening". this, of course, doesn't explain why gpg would end up with null-generated keys, but whatevs.
trinque: asciilifeform: guy gets trotted out every shooting to "islam is not about this!" so one might suspect him as having a reason to have a bad key
shinohai: "bitco.in" and "dogecoin" tell me all I need to know.
trinque: asciilifeform: maybe they want to find where messages originate without having to have the privkeys at the points of surveillance? but yeah, not clear
trinque: aha. might have to roach-brain harder
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
fromphuctor: is phuctor's source code shared somewhere?
fromphuctor: so when we can modulus N, how do you use bignum calc for it? don't you need to brute force 2^x -1 starting from 2^1023 ?
fromphuctor: but to do the same thing youself, you need to bruteforce 2^x -1 == your N?
fromphuctor: so for this brute-forcing, don't you need a little bit of fast PC?
fromphuctor: one dumb question, would GPU do this operation faster? (I doubt it, but have to ask)
mircea_popescu: dependiong on your set-up, possibly. not very clear how.
fromphuctor: you might end up writing your own bignum calc in GPU and still I'm not entirely sure it will be faster for this op in CPU
fromphuctor: thanks again guys, I learned a lot in 10 mins :)
mircea_popescu: obviously a lot of the cpu is not really used to do bignum mults. a smaller lot of the gpu isn't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why i say depends on the set-up. maybe something plouffe-esque could be had to fit it in tight ram
mircea_popescu: symptomatic for the "we are the premiere science and tech world in the world", it dun exist.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, takes a non-idiot half an hour to fish them out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing that advanced/serious even. they leak it.
fromphuctor: I know that, it works well only on non-properly-generated rsa modulus, which is easily factorizable by 2^x -1
mircea_popescu: it's just "bruteforce from a conveniently chosen spot", mostly.
fromphuctor: I see. so for this to work, two factors should be close to each other. So nothing todo with 2x-1?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does the mangling show up in ?raw=true?
phf: ben_vulpes: your non raw version does not escape html, so it parses #include <header> as a tag
ben_vulpes: i'm rather tempted to simply nuke the html view.
shinohai: Or something metallic in nature
shinohai: Even better reason to be preoccupied
mod6: im 'bout to build v0.1.2b here.
mod6: will do, just about got all the deps dl'd.