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gabriel_laddel_p: adlai: anyways, to that point, there is no deadline for any of this, but your updates should be ~weekly and you should be working on it 6hrs+ a day if you want your life to amount to anything.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p it's ternary not ternery.
gabriel_laddel_p: Godamnnit. I fucking _hate_ whiteboards and these stupid fucking "air fresheners" they stick all over the place.
phf: gabriel_laddel_p: have you tried resurrecting (?) beirc, seems like a proper tmsr machine needs an irc client
gabriel_laddel_p: What _exactly_ was so wrong with blackboards that they had to be done away with?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the mined by another is probably the operative concern.
gabriel_laddel_p: that they worked?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p people get exposure chalk dust allergy.
gabriel_laddel_p can barely resist the urge to stick "google toxic encephalopathy" under each air freshener I find.
gabriel_laddel_p: for the record, does anyone know of an intelligent person who uses air fresheners/fabreez?
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: it works fine.
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: ships with masamune.
phf: ah, k. i just keep seeing kiwiirc in your quit
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: you dun want to know about my life situation...
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: anyways, I have suggested using a +v irc channel + CL-FTP + beirc as a "CLIM-web" so we can ditch the browser tomorrow
gabriel_laddel_p: Framedragger was supposed to put this together, but (surprise) has not.
gabriel_laddel_p: adlai: ^ another thing you can do. The patch to fix CL-FTP is in the logs.
Framedragger: i was not supposed to do anything gabriel_laddel_p. stop with the passive aggressive tone already, it's annoying
phf: wait how does cl-ftp ties into ircing?
adlai: gabriel_laddel_p: please don't give me makework, it's more than enough to have received a rootset of (what's the word that means what 'people' actually mean when they say 'hopefully'?) useful material.
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: instead of having "web applications" we have a +v, invite only irc channel where our CL programs communicate. Well-formed messages are treated as FTP endpoints to download arbitrary information.
gabriel_laddel_p: ditch the whole stupidity of "caching" the web, local storage etc
gabriel_laddel_p: just download the DB along with the UI.
adlai thinks gabriel_laddel_p would make an excellent phb
adlai: nothing passive nor aggressive about this, just plain old fact.
gabriel_laddel_p: and a bot you can "deedbot" a networked program to
phf: heh
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598410 << at the risk of furthering the thread on harmonic interferometry, you don't "get" dsotm until you "hear" (not with teh ears, but in the heart, or wherever the pineal gland lives these days) the 251☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:31 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, that's pretty cool. i see what you mean - you can see craters and the dark side still being the moon... collective delusion / cognitive dissonance something something! (and btw i meant the album but both work well in this instance..) :)
adlai: gabriel_laddel_pm | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598715 < also, it sounds like you might have been sorely miseducated your entire life. << whaddya want, he was a populist; yet in his defense, he was my first math^H^Harithmetic teacher who... how do i put this, had a mentor relationship with his charges rather than just "these are the numbers, these are their sums"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 23:22 adlai tells that one story about the math teacher that drew a line on the blackboard, then fisted it to uproars from the audience
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: mnemnion_ is back
adlai: oh, the right word is 'algebra'. dude taught me algebra.
ben_vulpes: beirc shits itself when i run it naively. complaints re no generic function for cl-irc:nickname or the like
phf: ...
ben_vulpes: i have nfi dude
adlai ceasefires re:glp until he has something to show for himself (all for antecedent superpositions are valid)
adlai: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p and fwiw, i have somewhere in my desk-mess a whiteboard+eraser that make beatiful love without any solvents
jhvh1: adlai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598778 << how did you get this idea then ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:39 gabriel_laddel_p: Framedragger was supposed to put this together, but (surprise) has not.
Framedragger: i told gabriel i'd be interested in reviewing clim-web etc.; he sent me a very nice email with instructions incl. setup; this was 20 dec; i didn't have time to look at it.
mircea_popescu: a ok.
Framedragger: ("supposed" and "putting this together" is really stretching it, but i agree that "hey i didn't commit to anything" is a really shitty attitude, of the same kind as "i hacked up loggotron but it's bad lol")
mircea_popescu: i dunno why he expects "i'll act like mp" will work for him, but i guess it's worth a shot.
ben_vulpes: not necessarily that shitty of an attitude in this case Framedragger
ben_vulpes: anything other than "yeah i'll get right on it" is a "no" in my book
Framedragger: true. and treating it differently leads to mismatched expectations.
ben_vulpes: now if gabriel_laddel_p has returned to say "omfg you said you would" the fun continues!
ben_vulpes: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: slow night on tmsr
mircea_popescu: more voice more voice have a look 'an here we go
ben_vulpes: hey ovh why does it take more than fifteen seconds to charge a cc? what do you use, bitcoin?
adlai is confused, can't the _p-erson up itself?
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598796 < if only there were some system you could buy where everything worked out of the box.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:48 ben_vulpes: beirc shits itself when i run it naively. complaints re no generic function for cl-irc:nickname or the like
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: omg come back with a reproducible build
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570093 < and here☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:39 Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: i don't have much free time now, either. maybe end of next week, at this rate. re. CLIM web - any notes / writeup to help? as in, 20min of your time to save some hours of my time while helping you?
mod6: evenin'
mircea_popescu: buenas tardes senor
mod6: Hola Senor Popescu!
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598800 < proof by counterexample works I suppose.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:51 adlai: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p and fwiw, i have somewhere in my desk-mess a whiteboard+eraser that make beatiful love without any solvents
mircea_popescu: donde son los albondigalitas
mod6: It's like 7 deg. F., but I just grilled some awesome cheddarworst on the grill. Damn they were good.
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: iirc with ovh, paypal sometimes doesn't clear till next business day. possibly same with CC. needs to be checked manually. if you raise a ticket with them they'll tell you that, and nothing will get fast-tracked. :/
mircea_popescu: everything i hear about ovh makes me think it's a french company.
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: you realize that there will be a price hike after this is complete correct?
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: it was 200, then 300, now 410
mod6: what about for me? can i still pay 200?
mod6: :D
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: you realize that every day you continue faffing about like this the odds anyone here will pay one red cent for masamune goes down?
phf: mod6: will be selling it on ebay for 5k "collector edition ma-sa-mu-ne" in 40 years
Framedragger: verifying ovh downtime is sometimes a matter of deciphering french tweets from this octave guy https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000515962445/dbcf2529f787de1233a72011d216d992_400x400.jpeg straight from french cinema
ben_vulpes: it was low, then you lost your key, now i don't even wat
mod6: i actually kinda wanna test this guy out
mod6: but yah, wtf with the key, etc?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger butter sauce. i can tell by the liver-shot eyes and the wattle.
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: it wasn't for sale at any point when I had the old key, but I suppose that's just "faffing"
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: incidentally, if I'm wasting my time here with Framedragger and adali, can you also negrate them so they can be put !!down?
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: you're the one damaging snr tonight
mircea_popescu: wait, he's actually serious ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it boggles.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: but of course
mircea_popescu: listen, take a break. all this "work" you do on computers is getting in the way of your life.
mircea_popescu: it'll still be here next year.
mircea_popescu: and in other boating girls, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2088dfe8c6c6bbf2200fbfeb3706c352/tumblr_o2u4g9AyWj1qh70jeo10_1280.jpg
mod6: someday...
mod6: but yeah, im not gonna live on some boat like rud00d, but would be into taking her out for daily runs of piracy and vaginal stabbings
mircea_popescu: boat is never as cramped as when the four resident girls get their cramps.
mod6: yah, im with you. i don't think i could deal with being at sea, indefiniately.
ben_vulpes: lotsa jewesses today mircea_popescu
mod6: for a short trip, fuck yea. otherwise, no.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes can you tell by the length of the penis ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ahahaha waterbatgh eh ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 as friend once said, "solitary confinment is just great - i take one just about every time i go to the john."
mod6: hahah
mod6: when reading "Snow Crash" this year, and after Hanjin went bankrupt, was thinkin, "sure, could buy some of those things... tie 'em together and start an ``ark''". but who would wanna basically live at sea for years on end?
mircea_popescu: well it has the advantage that you can piss out the window.
mod6: aha, ya, well, 'tis true.
mircea_popescu: also in red cup news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0511676a0cdec1e72600da644c703a8d/tumblr_nxy4dmDkF21uw9prro1_1280.jpg
mod6: I like this Red Cup news.
mod6: also, is that Col. Kilgore?!
mircea_popescu: may be the antivirus guy
mircea_popescu: what was his name
mircea_popescu: mctoffee or something
mod6: ah ya
mod6: Anyway, nice chatting for a minute ... but I better get back to work :]
mod6: will check in later.
ben_vulpes: phf: consider making http://btcbase.org/patches/*/seal/ return a plaintext list of seals?
phf: like all the seals?
ben_vulpes: for the * patch
phf: sounds good
ben_vulpes: also if you'd be so kind as to add http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017_cleanup.vpatch to your tree i'd be much obliged. if the hopper is working again just let me know and i'll dump vpatches in there
ben_vulpes: the link with both patch and seal is http://cascadianhacker.com/overall-improvements
ben_vulpes: thank yew!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: haha yup, the wild west needs a wittle washing ;) and ty for the qntra ups, might've been the first time BingoBoingo actually used my suggested title!
phf: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/2017_cleanup
pete_dushenski: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p "what do you think of the recent porsche cayennes?" << if you're thinking of one as a residence, i could see it.
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: The operation succeeded.
phf: i still have an issue of global namespace for vpatches. i'm not yet sure that they need namespacing. it's sort of inconsequential for when you do your own press, but in terms of permanent urls you have the first come first served problem..
ben_vulpes: phf: saw it, gracias!
ben_vulpes: phf: aye
pete_dushenski: also, dear republic, laocoon (62.113.203.216) is back online, relaying better and more widely than ever. sorry for any inconvenience.
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: i left -verifyall in my node's boot script for some reason, took me a minute to figure out why it was taking forever to reboot the other day
ben_vulpes: strace showed LOTS OF FUCKING READS which got me thinking in the right direction
pete_dushenski: Framedragger: can you shed some light on how exactly scriba archives ? wondering if my little 'medium trick' has any merit at all or is merely a duplication of effort if links are dropped in-chan
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how much faster is boot w/o --verifyall ?
ben_vulpes: couldn't tell ya, i killed the process and ran it again without the flag in question
ben_vulpes: did you ever grok what i said about kill -9?
ben_vulpes: you can nuke a stuck node in place without having to restart the whole machine.
pete_dushenski: o ya, sorry for not answering directly but yes, grokked
ben_vulpes: groovy, nbd
phf: (psa: will corrupt data with higher probability)
ben_vulpes: didn't like the thought of you wasting your time on operating system reboots
pete_dushenski: phf: which will ?
ben_vulpes: yeah phf makes a point: kill -9 can hose data.
phf: well, both
ben_vulpes: ah
pete_dushenski: sure
phf: i think if you shutdown kernel will give a grace period to stuck userspace processes and then kill 9 it anyway
pete_dushenski: in other groks, http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/japans-new-business-language-english
pete_dushenski: "Japan's population is ageing. Our economy is slowing. We are not producing enough coders and digital gurus. The only way we can catch up and restore growth and dynamism is by looking outside our borders for talent.
pete_dushenski: " << doesn't quite jive with mackenzie's experience as to the availability of coders but gotta sow the seeds of propaganda that 'japan is falling behind' when in fact seiko, toyota, yonex, panasonic, and more are all leading their fields globally
pete_dushenski: one can only attribute the electronic reliability of toyotas and hondas to the availability of ~the right kind~ of coders in japan. compare and contrast with those of us or germany, it'd be a hoot.
phf: that gwern's paper that i linked indirectly explains what's "right" kind of coder, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1580059☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 23:21 phf: and on the subject of japan and doing things right, gwern wrote about internet culture in japan http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Subculture%20Society#japan-and-the-internet he got everything wrong, but the subject is interesting
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598886 << in general it should be tree_author_arbitraryname ; that resolves the namespace issue i expect☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 02:07 phf: i still have an issue of global namespace for vpatches. i'm not yet sure that they need namespacing. it's sort of inconsequential for when you do your own press, but in terms of permanent urls you have the first come first served problem..
mircea_popescu: so that it's trb_mod6_doesgirlsonboats.vpatch vs vtron_phf_addsnamespaces.vpatch. no conflict possible.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski verifyall actually rechecks the chain. takes potentially hours.
mircea_popescu: phf ben_vulpes : it won't corrupt anything if the berkley db is ran in "detached" mode, which it prolly should be. i don't recall if we put this in the trb or not.
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597363 << please excuse the nitpick, but given this thread, 'tree' is a misnomer.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 06:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem of "how to sort two patches which alter entirely disjuncts subsets of the file set" is not exactly clear. unless they declare how they prefer to be sorted.
mircea_popescu: how do you reason ?
adlai should probably provide an example instead of babbling, but: it's possible to produce distinct antecedents for the same patch
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski fortunately nobody gives a flying fuck what esl speakers say on any topic. this is very deeply difficult for the selfsame esltards to grok, but it DOES explain why trilema is more widely read than nytimes.
pete_dushenski: linguistic sluts ftw
mircea_popescu: adlai in general, patch says who its antecedents are.
ben_vulpes: ah, the "roots" thread?
phf: the read part of the story is vapid, but the unread part is more interesting, and therefore will be completely missed by the target audience of that article: somewhere in the world, there's a corporation that can change its ~internal communications language~ because the ceo said so
mircea_popescu: no, this'd be different ; that was about adding references ~in the files~ as comments ; this is about the patches (ie, diffs)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: patch says what antecedent file hashes it stemmed from, no?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, different layers.
adlai: patches state what state their antecedents must produce, but they don't commit to the antecedent itself
phf: adlai: i agree, it's a general graph, rather than a tree, has loops etc.
mircea_popescu: phf this has happened before. specifically the guy recently named in log, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584020☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 13:42 mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of nothing in particular, everyone heard of carlos ghosn ? quite the fellow.
mircea_popescu: adlai yes, in that formulation it could be linked to the antecedent-in-file thread.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason it's a tree is ~because we say so~, not because in and of itself it ~is~. there's no way for a pile of code to be a tree outside of the will of the people writing code.
pete_dushenski: phf: aha cheers. saw the link but didn't read the gwern piece. will now.
phf: pete_dushenski: just the linked appendix, rest requires even more entomological equipment.. :p
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in accidental vulva accidents, http://68.media.tumblr.com/83278159c3180a1620e23653612bfa07/tumblr_o85u04w8pZ1qzhjh2o1_1280.jpg
pete_dushenski is more enthralled with japanese culture by the day. intends to construct a house (and garage) stocked with their finest products.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty fxd
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: ganbatte
pete_dushenski: heh
Framedragger: pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/05/a-quick-trick-to-save-medium-articles-before-they-go-bye-bye/#comment-53750
Framedragger: (tl;dr right now, scriba only submits to archive.is (with no local retention of requested site); the "did archive.is actually accept the submission" check has been improved, and can be used via the `!$ getarchive` command. local retention should take place eventually though, imo.)
asciilifeform: phf: the part where jp is pathologically, direly, trapped in winblowzland, is actually true.
Framedragger: (and in regards to duplication of effort, technically yes, i think (though you're advising web.archive.org'd sites to be then submitted to archive.is, right?), but that can't be a bad thing. additional prudent advice could include "how to save local copy with images and stylesheets" note, i guess..)
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598387 << Just set a jar of peanut butter between then and let them sort it out☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:17 ben_vulpes: lol omfg rescue dog food from child, only to be blessed by cries of anger when dog takes banana from child
asciilifeform: i at one point wanted to use the mighty 'super-H' (ss in sega) chip, salivated over the manual, but turned out, all the dev tools from vendor are microshitian, and even the ~example sources~ wouldn't unpack without some microturd
Framedragger: pete_dushenski: i haven't checked, but `wget --page-requisites $URL` may be enough for the latter.
asciilifeform: *as in sega
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: likely less amusing than you'd expect, scarcity is key to conflict
pete_dushenski: Framedragger: comment answered, cheers :) /me didn't have much success with wget and, eg. tlp, but other sites may be more amenable to it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 02:55 Framedragger: (tl;dr right now, scriba only submits to archive.is (with no local retention of requested site); the "did archive.is actually accept the submission" check has been improved, and can be used via the `!$ getarchive` command. local retention should take place eventually though, imo.)
asciilifeform: *thought about
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I didn't think dogs, especially big dogs had a concept of "plenty" when it came to peanut butter.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: child will get distracted by the wonder that is a fistful of pb tho
ben_vulpes: ah which reminds me, gotta go lubricate the child
Framedragger: asciilifeform: actually what i also like about archive.is (don't get me wrong, i agree that trusting a service run by some d00d not in wot isn't super future-proof, ahem) is that it *does* save a bitmap rendered image for the site, too
asciilifeform: it is not only closed-rando, but takes eons.
asciilifeform: (a standard heathen browser loads same crud in a fee sec)
asciilifeform: *few sec
ben_vulpes: should be a paid service, really, debiting the accounts of whomever pastes the link
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598955 << problem is solved problem, just requires work. at the very least we can easily replicate archive.is functionality☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm not pulling out the fucking launch codes to sign a beobachter url omfg
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: from the log!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i think ben_vulpes intends to say that deedbot's forthcoming payment service could keep track of invoicing
asciilifeform: if we were on mars and paid a buck a byte for bw, it'd almost make sense
ben_vulpes: and whoever !!up's someone is on the hook for the cost of archiving their links.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: needs no dependency on deedbot
Framedragger: asciilifeform: there's that station-key vs. identity-key idea of yours, perhaps the former could could be allowed to go a few cents into debit, though this is maybe a road to complexity madness..
ben_vulpes: oh ffs
asciilifeform: Framedragger: mircea_popescu had a more recent discussion re 'sybil constellations'
asciilifeform: but presently we have no such thing
ben_vulpes: we have a log attributing lines to wot members whence this nonsense i ask you
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1558085☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 21:42 phf: they are using Qt webkit integration, either through a hacked up version of phantomjs, or something handwritten. there's enough hooks in qt, that you can figure out what was loaded, where it got stored in local cache and where it's being used.
asciilifeform: phf: this method has a problem
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: i think asciilifeform hates the idea of trusting fleanode to maintain nick-to-identity mappings. the !!up/down model was *supposed* to eliminate gribble-like state anyway, right?
asciilifeform: if your www renderer has a hole...
phf: asciilifeform: i said ~at least replicate archive.is~
asciilifeform: phf: a public www toilet ideally would have guaranteed isolation of universes.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: we're talking usgpennies here
pete_dushenski to pizza
asciilifeform: replicating a.is would not be all that hard, could even use an instrumented civilian browser
asciilifeform: but quite unhygienic.
phf: right, just nobody dun it :>
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: suresure, i agree that it'd be fine, but i expect someone could concoct a "sybil account keeps draining pennies" argument.. but eh. yeah.
phf: instead they's splitting bitcents between em :p
asciilifeform: nobody wants to preside over the syphilitic bordello that would result.
asciilifeform: and yes i have nfi what is with this preoccupation with charging each other pennies for a ~0-cost pipeline
asciilifeform: reminds me of the scene in b00k 'atlas shrugged' where the zillionaires in the invisible magic valley give each other gold coins when borrowing cup of sugar
Framedragger: well, you mentioned sybil. this may help avoid sybil url submission spam. granted, the latter may be avoided by "only people currently voiced / currently in l2 / l1" filter, etc..
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 'sybil' in that thread meant something rather nonstandard
asciilifeform: it was about folks like asciilifeform having multiple keys that are used for different things, but wot-connected as if they were people
Framedragger: ahh.
ben_vulpes: could just be for wot, point is nothing for allcomers
Framedragger: creating an impression of a strong wot and so on, i see.
ben_vulpes: bbl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu proposed this as a somewhat cleaner solution to the vectored-sig problem
asciilifeform: and i am quite convinced now that no cleaner answer will be found.
Framedragger off to sleep, damn you west-of-ocean peoples!
asciilifeform: (thread was iirc originally about a vtronic gentoo cleanup, and i noted that nobody with half a brain would sign a gig of dubious rubbish code with their naked, unvectored lordly key)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: just don't autoarchive pastes by tempvoiced folx
asciilifeform: problemsolved.
Framedragger: ahh. so you'd e.g. have a 'weaker' key (with a certain limited degree of trust) which could sign those kinds of abonimations. pretty elegant! (also disregard my "impression of strong wot" comment, i had misunderstood)
asciilifeform: one of the minuses imho is that it will increase the cost of ferreting out cases of http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ .
asciilifeform: (then again, maybe not)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598911 << apparently while i slept in my cave, jp went down the same toilet as everybody else: honda had a ~firmware bug~ recall recently , power steering controller crashed while in motion, users instructed to reboot motherfucking auto! on roadside☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 02:25 pete_dushenski: one can only attribute the electronic reliability of toyotas and hondas to the availability of ~the right kind~ of coders in japan. compare and contrast with those of us or germany, it'd be a hoot.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598613 << Until you get a mailing address a better question is "What are the dealbreakers I should look for on a 2003 Saturn L-series?"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 21:26 gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: what do you think of the recent porsche cayennes?
asciilifeform: (at least the thing wasn't a 'fly by wire', it remains physically possible to steer sans hydraulics, but the sudden wtf may well get you crunching under oncoming traffic or off a bridge )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : if/when my auto gives up the ghost, i'm getting another ~2003, and not because cheap, but because wtf omfg firmware?!
asciilifeform: some of the recent machines are rumoured to contain winblowz, even.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AHA! Yes.
asciilifeform: 'no comp' is a moherfuckng FEATURE
asciilifeform: iirc even recent 'cessna', for instance, had 0 cpu
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598655 << Oh my? And what happened when you hit breaker bar with mallet? That's when things revealed their defects?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 22:18 ben_vulpes: even the mighty pblaster could not free them
asciilifeform: 100% carburetted.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: for passenger car engine control computer for fuel injection is nearly necessary due to the ethanol dabacle
asciilifeform: the z80 in my old toyota -- worked for 20+ yrs and probably worx even nao
asciilifeform: 0 crashes.
asciilifeform: 0 detectable bugs.
BingoBoingo: But now "new" includes fucking MSWindows dorkathon instead of actual Radio!
BingoBoingo: And turdscreen is plugged into fuel injection computer
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: no breaker bar necessary, these were 10mm fuckers
ben_vulpes: battery tie down rod simply failed under torsional load: "that...didn't feel like the rust giving way. jesus /fuck/."
ben_vulpes: hah fml my v implementation presses into the same directory as that as which contains the patches and seals
phf: can make vpatches that generate vpatches! it's metacircular
ben_vulpes: if only it could also evaluate itself
ben_vulpes: OH WAIT
ben_vulpes: ;)
phf: you just put the lisp code in the same folder
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598770 << Dust kills computer fans as well.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:35 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p people get exposure chalk dust allergy.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598772 << Cleanliness is the better than coverup, but OMG PineSol's active component is turpentine! Think of the wonder VOCs!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:36 gabriel_laddel_p: for the record, does anyone know of an intelligent person who uses air fresheners/fabreez?
adlai: such puns
asciilifeform: for non-usaschwitzinmates, who have nfi what gabriel_laddel_p was on about: the medieval idiocy of hygiene-via-parfumery is alive and well in this monkeystan
asciilifeform: it is especially entertaining to asciilifeform that this was brought up, because in so far as i can tell the entire masamune thing is precisely an instance thereof, in its domain.
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: (and yes i watched the film)
asciilifeform: apparently nothing has changed since last saw clim !
asciilifeform: i can still WATCH the fucking scrollbars draw.
BingoBoingo does not have time to watch advertising videos unless they are selling black girl pussy.
asciilifeform: (i will admit that until watching the film i held out hope that g_l ACTUALLY fixed the thing. but turns out -- no dice.)
BingoBoingo: Anyways new Pinesol sucks because "reformulated" now just another perfumed mess of detergents
asciilifeform: and since he's asleep i will predict what he would say, 'stfu, the perfume smells great, even if it is exactly same one you smelled decade ago without me, and i'll get the bubonic plague underneath out later!'
asciilifeform: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p didja ever write down publicly what it was precisely that you did to clim ~other~ than to carve your initials into its flesh ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598946 << i thought that was more of a south korea / banking driven thing, not so much japan☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 02:56 asciilifeform: phf: the part where jp is pathologically, direly, trapped in winblowzland, is actually true.
asciilifeform: also jp.
mircea_popescu has nfi, i'll believe.
phf: fwiw i wouldn't say they are "trapped". as i don't think they care about anything else. they don't keep up to date with microsoft modern and bestest. they still release ms stack software with xp compatibility for example
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598955 << just download the fucking archive.is archive zips already omygerd.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i tried, recall, this.
asciilifeform: got garbage about half the time.
asciilifeform: curl, wget, whichever. same result.
mircea_popescu: you did ? hm. i somehow dun recall.
asciilifeform: forgot the magic-zip thread ?
asciilifeform: july.
asciilifeform: still unsolved enigma.
mircea_popescu: all i recall from it was "alf got problem couldn't be replicated".
asciilifeform: i dun recall anybody but mircea_popescu trying the replicate
asciilifeform: but otherwise yes
asciilifeform: this aside, the most recent thread began with archive.is being ~down~
phf: i was playing along. i think could unpack it with pkzip, but not the open source equivalent
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: which one didja use phf -- the msdos one ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what he says is what happened, you had broken unzipper wouldn't fix it. which is fine, but also no basis for discussing anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: holy fuck, 'broken', using same one for decade+ with zero incident.
asciilifeform: and fwiw the turd wouldn't unzip on winblowz or crapple either.
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall tracing the problem towards unzip version but giving up under barrage of strange.
asciilifeform: did mircea_popescu or anybody else get MY hashed zip to unpack ?
asciilifeform: link to log plox ?
asciilifeform: (and i meant MY zip, as in what came out of my wall plug, and not what-mircea_popescu-got-from-curl)
mircea_popescu: eh.
phf: crapple uses open source code for unzipping. where's i believe pkware eventually open sourced their code too. so now there's two competing versions floating around.
mircea_popescu: but why would i/anyone do that ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because my working hypothesis was that my copy came from mitmtron.
mircea_popescu: well ok, but what's that do.
mircea_popescu: just get it over diff connection.
asciilifeform: i still have nfi exactly what. it's been backburnered since.
asciilifeform: but it remains that relying on that one rando's box to create the zips, is a dubious thing.
asciilifeform: i'm not certain how it beats, for instance, google.
asciilifeform: or archive.org. or any other creature of heathendom.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599001 << no dude, this suffers of apocriphal bible issue by now. point was that outsider ~can't distinguish~ between "different" identities in the sense of bit-different or cock-different.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:14 Framedragger: creating an impression of a strong wot and so on, i see.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it beats it in that it's there.
asciilifeform: well today, for instance, it WASN'T there.
asciilifeform: when it was needed.
mircea_popescu: not everything has or needs a deeply philosophical answer. archive bot should save the urls and get the zips. big whoop.
mircea_popescu: and if they're mitm'd, it's even more valuable, now we get a collection of strange zips.
mircea_popescu: how could that POSSIBLY be an argument against.
asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu really defending a single point of failure being presided over by wotless heathen ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude the whole discussion was what happens if archive ~goes away~. NOT what happes if archive is down.
mircea_popescu: stop mixing everything together ffs.
asciilifeform: and, iirc, the very same wotless heathen who was responsible for the fate of dulap-1.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what you're on about on either of these.
asciilifeform: the 'we'll unplug nightly' thing.
mircea_popescu: what about it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you think he did not know ?
mircea_popescu: who's he!
asciilifeform: the archive.is d00d.
asciilifeform: who was subcontractor for that box.
mircea_popescu: look. i dunno what set of assumptions/convictions/determinations of fact you're operating under ehre, but to be plain, the situation as observed from my chair is as follows :
mircea_popescu: a) alf wrote a first version of phuctor, which wasn't very good. this is excusable in that it was a first version, and altogether irrelevant ; b) alf's version being not very good was accidentally exposed through ordinary course of business ; c) alf got very butthurt at this circumstance, and kept whining about it in the logs ; d) having had enough of the whine at some later point, i presented him with the choice of either fi
mircea_popescu: xing his code or going away ; e) so butthurt was alf over his code being no good in some particular and not terribly relevant way, he decided to go away. this caused phuctor to be offline for about a year. f) at some later point, getting a machine in the same datacenter if memory serves, alf declared that remnants from archive.is were found i dun recall how or where. this is entirely possible, and in any case i've not invest
mircea_popescu: igated.
asciilifeform: it was absolutely not-very-good.
asciilifeform: ran in O(N^2).
asciilifeform: but you're missing a letter between c and d, which is where the hoster found out about the particular weakness and started unplugging the box.
mircea_popescu: now - wut of all of this ? maybe it was the same guy, i guess, maybe there was a conspiracy to reboot the server, i guess, maybe etcetera. i'm unconvinced nor do i see it matters any.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: and granted if this had not happened, i probably would not have gotten off arse and rewritten the thing, and it would be ~useless nao.
mircea_popescu: a cheap explanation would be for instance
asciilifeform: but the perpetrator was still no friend.
mircea_popescu: holy shit check out this idiot.
mircea_popescu: a cheap explanation would be for instance - that archive people hosted in same place, and left for same reason.
mircea_popescu: or whatever thousand others. i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: well i dun think anyone's a friend, including the baker. i've not yet geiger-countered the flour.
asciilifeform: granted that i do not know, if he left, if he stayed, what role he played. at least partly because d00d is not in the wot! and never speaks in the forum.
asciilifeform: which was 100% of my complaint really.
mircea_popescu: i think i shot him an email once which he replied
mircea_popescu: o yeah, cuz i lifted the js for text selection from his site.
mircea_popescu: and iirc reported a bug or something. anyway.
asciilifeform: at any rate i did not say d00d is enemy. only 'not friend.'
asciilifeform: but 'tmsr has no friends but its army and navy' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: right. anyway, to dispell the possible implication - it's not that i like secretly know whoever runs archive.is
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, item seems to work is the entire extent of the thing ; and i don't specifically know him to be a hitler crony, like i do specifically know archive.org to be a hitler crony.
asciilifeform believes.
mircea_popescu: and i see no problem with any other or only other services be used - which iirc i even said when bot spec for archival was drawn, that everyone making one should ideally use a diff service
asciilifeform: speaking of rusty infrastructure, mircea_popescu -- the link to wot on your www appears to still point to mike_c's
mircea_popescu: but for some reason nobody seems to have an alt preference. such as for instance because they don't exist or i have nfi
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc i was waiting for trinque to ok it.
asciilifeform: aah ok
asciilifeform: !#seen trinque
a111: 2017-01-07 <trinque> afk for a while
asciilifeform: lol, just when i needed him!1111
asciilifeform will plug the shiny new rewritten phuctorwerker back in when trinque's rss baselinesyncs
asciilifeform: it was tested until it screamed, worx 100%.
asciilifeform: also db scrubbed of all spurious factors.
asciilifeform: (strictly matching the rule of 'f == m and f is not factor of any other m'
asciilifeform: )
BingoBoingo: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Are you ready to take step 1 yet?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: cool. anyway, what's teh rush.
asciilifeform: no rush.
asciilifeform to bed.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599017 << in most of europe you're not even allowed to do this.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : if/when my auto gives up the ghost, i'm getting another ~2003, and not because cheap, but because wtf omfg firmware?!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599050 << are you... atwacted ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 04:16 BingoBoingo does not have time to watch advertising videos unless they are selling black girl pussy.
BingoBoingo: Can't let Petrus win!
mircea_popescu: lol fighting petrus by penis ?
BingoBoingo: But women collecting.
BingoBoingo: Gotta beat Petrus by taking his women.
ben_vulpes: !!up liquidassets
deedbot: liquidassets voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: where you been
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: did you ever figure out the source of the spuriata?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: musta missed that firmware recall but tbh honda was never in toyota's league. this honda issue merely reinforces the hierarchy. all is not lost for jp. far from it.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that was kinda my joke to him. dude can't afford a house in sv (but who can) so buys $100k suv. hell, makes for better date nights than 250sft loft shared with two other bros.
mircea_popescu: !#s spuriata
a111: 1 result for "spuriata", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=spuriata
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: spurious factors
mircea_popescu: vagina dentata, lorica segmentata, res spuriata ?
mircea_popescu: makes sense i guess!
trinque: asciilifeform: I'm back, glass of wine in hand
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski given the sardine living situation and the sad but true levels of machismo in the great swamp, it's a wonder gangbangs aren't the normative accuplation method.
pete_dushenski: too busy pounding github's pussy to bother
pete_dushenski: MUST POUND MORE PUSHES! ONE MORE THRUST!
trinque: I hope you're wrapping it up; that thing's not sanitary
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's an arrangement a lot more common than generally realised. and not just in the us - most underclass parties consist of hiring one whore for a platoon and fucking her among beer breaks, until daybreak. consequently most cheap whores are well used to "the party of men".
pete_dushenski: trinque: i watched 'sausage party' last night. talking condom was easily creepiest character.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I hadn't caught up to your witty retort yet
trinque: asciilifeform: RSS back on.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that this ~isn't~ the norm in maga-land is cause of no small degree of sexual frustration, which manifests in everything from mommy issues to passive aggressiveness
pete_dushenski: but maybe those are the same thing.
mircea_popescu: i said normative. ie, that derpy romcoms aren't using it as "the way".
pete_dushenski: they most certainly aren't, at least last i checked maybe a decade ago
pete_dushenski: can't imagine the situation has ameliorated since
trinque: !!v A479D2A3AB52EE4BD3E7E878A10ECF337E31F962EAB411E59FD25FB03554DFA9
deedbot: trinque rated Framedragger 2 << patient, charitable guy
trinque: that's about all I have to say about those logs.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 2003 isn't a bad cut-off for cars manufacturing date. most recent news i heard was that nvidia was teaming up with audi for their next-gen vehicles and that some of the higher-end german models (though not just audi) have upwards of 100 ecus.
phf: nvidia??
pete_dushenski: http://www.nvidia.ca/object/audi-and-nvidia.html
mircea_popescu: he is nice, isn't he.
pete_dushenski has seen 'virtual cockpit' in new audi s3. it's rather nifty even if i wouldn't want to own it.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: let me guess, blue light everywhere
ben_vulpes: screens with no gamma correction
ben_vulpes: zero regard for night vision of driver
mircea_popescu: oh ffs
ben_vulpes: not "correction", but "yellowing" if it makes less of a ffs
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: actually whole dash turns into map. not overly distracting. big wow-factor. very responsive graphics.
ben_vulpes: heh this is how the industry moves to automated cars
ben_vulpes: they make the non automated cars utterly unsafe to drive
mircea_popescu: could be.
ben_vulpes: yes please, random screen twiddling in my peripheral vision while i drive
ben_vulpes: yes please, blue light and screens at night while i drive
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether a bad plan, monkeys utterly unable to resist shiny
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you may be amused, rumor suggests mandatory backup cams in the near future
ben_vulpes: there will be no escaping computers and screens and soi-disant 'cockpits'
ben_vulpes: and to think, i left an entire industry because one engineer at the firm when questioned about wasting money on a brand new vw microshitbox said "i just think everyone should own a brand new car once in their lifetime"
mircea_popescu: heh
ben_vulpes: and now, i will likely never buy a new vehicle.
liquidassets: ben_vulpes assuming you were talking to me just getting back from a 3 week vacation, back to South Cascadia. I'm going to go read through your blog, haven't spent much time there yet, but looks like a new look? Cheers.
mircea_popescu: mandatory cam in car eh ? stop dem darn kids fucking in there! and smoking too!
ben_vulpes: liquidassets: nah, just haven't seen you in the forum for a while up until that connection.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it points *backwards*
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: https://youtu.be/x26lInlnpm4?t=2m6s
mircea_popescu: yet.
ben_vulpes: but yeah, possibly a market for "cloud-backup" dash/full 360 streaming hardware
ben_vulpes: lol fuckin gross pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: ha!
ben_vulpes: gimme back my tach and speedo
ben_vulpes: there are 2 important readings in a car, and one of 'em can be had from your butt.
phf: hehe, girl spent minutes once hunting through menus because was so pissed off at camera potentially putting in question her backing skills..
ben_vulpes: speed, and how hard the engine is working.
phf: it was a vacation rental..
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: on the topic of dashboards, $bzprtnr got a 2012 wrx
ben_vulpes: best thing about the car?
ben_vulpes: passenger cannot see speedo.
ben_vulpes: 2nd best thing about car?
ben_vulpes: NO FUCKING SCREENS
ben_vulpes: 3rd would be the turbo
ben_vulpes: bitch /pulls/
pete_dushenski: solid
liquidassets: I'm around, mostly trying to keep up. Doin my thing, thanks for saying what's up.
ben_vulpes: still, plastic nightmare of a modern car.
ben_vulpes waves at $bzprtnr
ben_vulpes: CLIM CLIM CLIM
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: even $100k lexus suffers from plastikitis, esp in doors compared to classic benzo
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: dude it's everywhere
gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: okay, now what about the Cayman GT4?
ben_vulpes: aren't porsches like a cheap expensive watch?
ben_vulpes: see ya round liquidassets
gabriel_laddel_p: nfi, let's hear from the expert.
ben_vulpes: something lawyers buy to feel like not-new-money?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and does your $bzprtnr actually read logs ??! fuck me if i new anyone in meatspace who read these. not that i'd be embarrased but that i'd have so much more in common with them!
ben_vulpes: with decent frequency
pete_dushenski: gabriel_laddel_p: well whaddya wanna know about them ? and were you actually satisfied by my answer re: cayenne ??
ben_vulpes: if i tell him there was an ice or crypto or ruin of usg thread he'll eat a few weeks in one sitting
gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: not even slightly. I wanted to know your thoughts. How do you /feel/ about it.
ben_vulpes: bbl, unholy quantities of meat have arrived
gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: does it do anything for you on a visceral level
pete_dushenski: gabriel_laddel_p: lol! what am i, a efnj ?
pete_dushenski doesn't see how cayenne can make anyone's blood pump.
pete_dushenski: cayman gt4 would never be kicked out of bed however
gabriel_laddel_p: aha!
gabriel_laddel_p: that's _fucking exactly_ my own thoughts
gabriel_laddel_p: I saw the gt4 the other day and... no car has ever tugged at my soul before
pete_dushenski: with the caveat... for a new porsche. in the breed, in the class, it's a tight, sexy, and sorta unrivaled package. selling over list last i checked too.
pete_dushenski: could i think of better ways to spend ? $125k or whatever a gt4 is ? sure. but /me can still barely fathom whether gabriel_laddel_p is sitting on inheritence or if he expects masamune to be ~that~ big a success or if he's poster shopping for bedroom ceiling.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I have done very little to CLIM the library thus far - mostly creating, organizing and DOCUMENTING examples of what one can do with it.
pete_dushenski guiltily plays 'someday i'll buy x' game and doesn't begrudge others who do similarly
gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: have you ever wanted your car to list off a bunch of facts scraped from the web when you cross into a new jurisdiction?
gabriel_laddel_p: like, population count, size of government, estimated GB of total law, # of sheriff, police, murders, rapes, assults etc?
gabriel_laddel_p: spoken to you via a "siri" type thing that doesn't suck?
pete_dushenski: i have never wanted this, no.
gabriel_laddel_p: oh okay, well anyways that's the train of thought I'm exploring.
pete_dushenski: interesting. i guess i'd be skeptical of the source of the info at the very least.
pete_dushenski: also, of your list, only population is a curious itch i'd want to scratch. the rest is sorta neither here nor there if i'm passing through on a road trip or what have you
trinque: porsche may produce one car.
trinque: these fucking SUVs and sedans and whatever, the fuck?
trinque: yes because must mass market soccer mom everything
pete_dushenski: trinque: economies of scale.
pete_dushenski: also, lotsa people with money live where it's miserably cold most of the time. why let other companies sell you a winter vehicle ?
pete_dushenski: should mazda also only make miata because every else they make is garbage by comparison, even if it's class leading in a number of cases ?
pete_dushenski: or vw only make gti ? or ford only f-150 ?
trinque: dad had a beautiful '79 911 for a good while
trinque: I'm heavily biased
pete_dushenski: can't blame you there
pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/0OJjvYPV3oc?t=1m26s << yet another reason to avoid newer german cars (yes, the reich-gripped really are the worst offenders) : all-led lights. not just led drl and halogen/xenon high beams. the entire corners of cars will soon be led clusters with sophisticated programming that will selectively block light from shining in the eyes of on-coming traffic for example
phf: what a time to be alive
pete_dushenski: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-toyota-land-cruiser-fj62/ << one last throwback for trinque and ben_vulpes
pete_dushenski: now, to waterbath (not prince) and bed
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/361913D8979B694069198CEA08D18AC8C76B935CB3B788954720AB0EA76555E2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1017...4543 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '197.221.53.230 (ssh-rsa key from 197.221.53.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/689DD6526FE5FD7061CC870C3AEE48708AB19FB63255BEEAF69C76E8EB275D85 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1017...4543 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '162.221.201.243 (ssh-rsa key from 162.221.201.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CA BC)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/26CD3C2757BFF9669BD855ABC65060F16D18FDB7B80BA8496EB392C5A1F1BFB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1108...0427 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.23.183.157 (ssh-rsa key from 184.23.183.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (184-23-183-157.dynamic.dsl.mlode.com. US CA)
ben_vulpes: fuuuuuck pete that's a truck
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6DEC7B012B39890A0325453579049FC94061796B14A0C8ED61E4D575B26D4FB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...9869 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.126.180.248 (ssh-rsa key from 75.126.180.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (adfotain.net. US TX)
ben_vulpes: LET THE PHUCTORING RESUME
ben_vulpes: in other meat, holy shiksa brisket buttman
ben_vulpes: #clim report, day whatever: #clim appears to be 90% join/part spam from reineisch, 9% j/p from others, and 1% this beach feller saying "good morning everyone"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCC50E7FFDDD45A5928D7D7375C2E01383174DA0A3B8C3113464B3D09D7F35A0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1777...3113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.44.244 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.44.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR749SBC-InFi-HuBe-Or-Ca-c2932-Love2Learn-FW. US CA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A71B5781B8BBAD9214FDE34ACCE621D3B5AA118EB962DF1814FD7D26BFFC7AF8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...0837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.200.229.133 (ssh-rsa key from 37.200.229.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown OM)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/34F88784CBE3A1C9FE5FC15F8FF3E193F70A1E08FE7611EC5614D071F848BBAD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1596...4093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.164.4.178 (ssh-rsa key from 213.164.4.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.a-trust.at. AT 9)
trinque: http://i.imgur.com/gl2SCbX.jpg << speaking of toyota trucks, bought this guy
trinque: fucking love the thing, roars, moves lesser machines to the side as if by magic.
trinque: that is beautiful paint on the land cruiser.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DC8E3EC0B9017F6F08B1D8C0CC0EAE96DCA4F5E0EDC4DCFEC6757F3F65775EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.5.81.105 (ssh-rsa key from 163.5.81.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (candidature.epitech.eu. FR J 94)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/163690110BB2F01EE38E324C90C6FB9BA5AED5D15A8C51E69FBF8B1803EC5626 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1623...3623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.42.115.88 (ssh-rsa key from 195.42.115.88 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (doofaberglucklich. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/40776E84A758AD819BF5F53DF459608C36946FE1F78EFA384C381205876A22CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1703...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '113.35.199.71 (ssh-rsa key from 113.35.199.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (113x35x199x71.ap113.ftth.ucom.ne.jp. JP 13)
ben_vulpes: hm
ben_vulpes: i realize in this moment that i did not miss the phuctorings.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AE6B4639A4016CFD59C865FD786F5D2437E49B15DD9C9EB41E6143642FCB5EAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...9827 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.31.229.178 (ssh-rsa key from 195.31.229.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F035B7DD7EBC023C9A24740A9F3C48EA8F895047D43806B4CA7835ACCB3E4288 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...4409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.62.236.67 (ssh-rsa key from 93.62.236.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (93-62-236-67.ip24.fastwebnet.it. IT TO 21)
ben_vulpes: aha, i have made a mistake!
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-multiple-channels and http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-multiple-channels were ground diffing directories a/ and b/ with the relevant files therein, and the genesis patches for both trees ground from directories called 'ircbot' and 'logbot' respectively containing the relevant files
ben_vulpes: s/passive voice/active voice
ben_vulpes: trinque may confirm: i believe that this is due to asciilifeform grinding (trb-)genesis.vpatch from an a/ and b/ containing a directory 'bitcoin'
ben_vulpes: and trinque following precedent
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2398E0817D454688D06524E1B99CCE125A5E4D5E4DB5FBEFBE1BBE65BDA99AB4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1785...9937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '150.187.4.208 (ssh-rsa key from 150.187.4.208 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown VE A)
ben_vulpes: now, the patches apply cleanly if the patch utility is not passed -p1, but this makes for much floppiness.
ben_vulpes: a question i have been wondering about for long is "why does the trb tree sit in a 'bitcoin' directory, wherever it's pressed", but it is not particularly irrelevant.
ben_vulpes: so duh, vdiff does not guarantee patches will be sensible in a v tree, and it is incumbent upon a patch-grinder to ensure their patches actually apply cleanly.
ben_vulpes: i don't know what sort of apology is due here as clearly nobody has ever even tried to apply those patches through a strict v, but i'm still going to go slam my head in a door until i get some of the stupid out
ben_vulpes: psa: always press your vpatches
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598817 <<< never use ovh☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 01:10 ben_vulpes: hey ovh why does it take more than fifteen seconds to charge a cc? what do you use, bitcoin?
ben_vulpes: v timely, ty davout
davout: told you online.net was eating ovh's lunch
ben_vulpes: you said "online is ovh's waifu" and i said "i have nfi what that oldfag gibberish means"
davout: i saud "<davout> online is basically fucking ovh's waifu"
ben_vulpes: yeah i see where i misread there now.
davout: maybe not very clear
davout: but either way
ben_vulpes: i did ask for clarification though
davout: ovh is a french company, stands for "on vous héberge" and are basically the niggers of the hosting business here in france
ben_vulpes: cheap lesson, no harm incurred so far.
davout: run by octave klaba, some fatso who has an extremely strong karpeles-like aura
ben_vulpes: funny, i had that thought when his photo went by in a link earlier today
davout: they got their passord reset interface haxxored sometime in 2013
davout: "oh, guess only the last few characters of the password reset token are actually random"
ben_vulpes: great
davout: see for example https://mineforeman.com/2013/04/24/slushs-bitcoin-mining-pool-hacked/
davout: ah, this article doesn't really elaborate on the OVH part I guess
netmonk: the main issue with ovh is their ddos anti system
netmonk: difficult to deal with massive ddos for a stratum based protocol
davout: netmonk: the main issue with ovh is that they are niggers. unfit to do whatever they're postering as doing
ben_vulpes: i like the notion of an anti-system
netmonk: as cloudflare isnt working well with it.
netmonk: online has arbornetwork, and this solution is very efficient with ddos and stratum
netmonk: ben_vulpes: sorry, not enough caffein right not, "anti-ddos system"
netmonk: to make it short : ovh is good for hosting wp blog, online for the rest :)
netmonk: davout: but, at least, they run a very big platform, and they reach a very good state of automation, with fast CI.
netmonk: i dont know much on their custemer support and product
netmonk: but on the backstage part, they have very interesting point and technology in use
netmonk: you dont manage 500k servers like you manage the 10 servers of paymium
netmonk: to make it short !
davout: i never claimed to be in the hosting business wtf
netmonk: :)
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/correction-multiple-channel-patches-for-irclogbot << CH - CORRECTION: multiple channel patches for irc/logbot
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594569 && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594581 << since most of those are 502s, yes those URLs can be exempted - i am a bit wary of introducing blacklist / ad hoc rules - after all, those phuctor URLs can later be re-archived, what's the pain - but maybe it's strainful to phuctor?☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 03:55 asciilifeform: i recommend to exempt it from the usual treatment, trinque et al, until i invent some radically new mechanism for the thing to work on, instead of postgres.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 03:56 asciilifeform: somebody is
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599242 << the last car i owned was e200. which i think is still in production and also a fine car in all respects.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 05:50 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: even $100k lexus suffers from plastikitis, esp in doors compared to classic benzo
mircea_popescu: course ytou can't get the nice w200s faces anymore i don't think. because fucking "progress"
mircea_popescu: before that, s class, the nice 500 90s series, but then it went to shit.
mircea_popescu: (these i used to buy like bitcoins in the early 2000s, possibly best car ever made.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599268 << no. for the low low cost of adding a woman to sit next to the woman driving, i could have implemented this years ago. but honestly if the car came so equipped i'd fucking shoot the siri girl to fix the car. horrible fucking idea.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 05:59 gabriel_laddel_p: spoken to you via a "siri" type thing that doesn't suck?
mircea_popescu: and it's not ~just~ a horrible idea. it comes from a thorougly broken thought process. i'm not in fuckign school, to be informed via a push interface. i am an adult, i will pull for what i want. the only thing the world may do or should do is spread WHEN I SAY. and at no other point.
mircea_popescu: sex, food, knowledge, anything. i'll pull and don't fucking dare push anything on me. ever.
mircea_popescu: this formalizes the problem with guis, "oh but mp, did you know you can italicize text ???" yes bitch, i fucking know about text italicizing. "no but maybe you forgot, here's a 60x60 pixel square on your screen shooting photons at your retina 60/60/24/7 so you remember". what the fuck am i supposed to be, a frog ? that my brain has no remanence, entirely powered off the visual field ?
mircea_popescu: i don't need a fucking power button to recall i can turn off the box, i can type shutdown just fine.
mircea_popescu: and the other thing : that entire "it is unclear whether people aiming to make an artificial friend have seriously considered the much cheaper, ordinary kind" which i can't fucking find in the log for some reason goes A LOT deeper than generally realised. it's not "oh, i'm not discussing ai so it's not about me". yes, IT IS about you. if the software you're contemplating aims to take fifty hours of engineer work to replace fi
mircea_popescu: ve hours of 20yo receptionist work, you're smack drab in the middle of exactly it. (and see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-25#1285777 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-09-25 21:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285635 << exactly the wrong kind of fucking ai. a) not actually intelligent ; b) negative - the last thing i fucking want to see is mechanically powered women nagging ; c) not self contained - at least the stupid nag you can beat into the ground.
mircea_popescu: phf any idea on how to replicate Framedragger 's logger multiline selection thing without the hassle ? maybe something like "first click, highlights line ; second click, highlights area ; third click, highlights line within area" or such ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599368 << >> http://yosefk.com/blog/high-level-cpu-follow-up.html☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 13:54 mircea_popescu: and the other thing : that entire "it is unclear whether people aiming to make an artificial friend have seriously considered the much cheaper, ordinary kind" which i can't fucking find in the log for some reason goes A LOT deeper than generally realised. it's not "oh, i'm not discussing ai so it's not about me". yes, IT IS about you. if the software you're contemplating aims to take fifty hours of engineer work to replace fi
mircea_popescu: turns out that his thing is actually very useful when quoting towards the periphery.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ty!
Framedragger: see i told you it'd be useful ;)
mircea_popescu: yeh.
Framedragger: fwiw i had the first click + second click => range thing but it confused you (and others) into accidentally selecting ranges unintentionally. third click may make sense..
mircea_popescu: Framedragger but do it like that you know, nude url + click -> highlights that line ; highlighted line url + click -> highlights between the two. like a state machine based on url schema
asciilifeform: 'It is my opinion that the fans of this family of hardware/vaporware, consistent advocates of The New Age of Computing, have serious AI problems. Here's a sample quote on cellular automata: "I guess they really are like us." Well, if you want to build a computing device in order to have a relationship with it, maybe a cellular automaton will do the trick. Although I'd recommend to first check the fine selection of Homo Sapiens we have
asciilifeform: features you'd like in a friend, a foe, a spouse or an employee already built-in, while computer hardware has a certain gap to fill in this department.'
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no problem is you did it on the same page. add url-based state.
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental idiocy of "responsive" "2.0" web, ajax etc : the fucking model is 1 page = 1 state. that's the only sane way to have state over stateless http
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so you mean that if one were to click on a line which falls in a previously-selected range (of highlighted lines), the anchor would be adjusted but the overall highlight range would be preserved, too?
mircea_popescu: and i must be able to figure out the state by looking at the url, which is why POST is not better than GET but much, MUCH worse, and why it was pushed as part of "ssl", typical usg-tardism
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i do.
Framedragger: (because that'd make sense; anchor always remaining on the first line of range is not always intuitive)
Framedragger: aha.
mircea_popescu: and if they click outside the range, go back to state 1
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599385 << thought the same when i was implementing this, hence one also being able to manually define range which imo is mandatory requirement. no hidden state☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:11 mircea_popescu: and i must be able to figure out the state by looking at the url, which is why POST is not better than GET but much, MUCH worse, and why it was pushed as part of "ssl", typical usg-tardism
mircea_popescu can;'t fucking believe we're stuck importing 1996 www and forking it ffs.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah but typing-into-urlbar is distress signal.
mircea_popescu: rule #1 of mp-ux
Framedragger: well i had it turned on until it pissed you off, so now it's manual-only. but you're right re. third-click adjusting anchor, maybe that's what's missing. would indeed be useful to see this in btcbase logs
Framedragger: (i'd use it, too)
Framedragger: (argument against this is that it does import a bit of complexity, of course)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger may be my weird set-up, but in my memory your page never worked as described here ?
mircea_popescu: oooohhh i know wtf it was! see, what it was was this : you DID have it this way, but then i'd highlight one line or follow someone else's highlight, and i'd RIGHT CLICK another line, and this'd result in a range.
Framedragger: right click??
mircea_popescu: whereas my intention was to result in a new single line highlight. yes yes i see.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's what the fuck it was.
Framedragger: indeed
Framedragger: only way to unset range was to click on line above range
mircea_popescu: dude, so clicking and copying a link are semantically separate in my head but obviously the same thing to browser.
Framedragger: then it'd raturn to stage 1
Framedragger: brb food
mircea_popescu: am i the only one incidentally, who sees this separation ?
mircea_popescu: in an attempt to fix/improve republican infrastructure, mircea_popescu discovered his head is broken.
Framedragger: eh well, an 'unset range' button (or range manipulation buttons) would help. (but then, those'd work over POST, so hidden state..)
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's why i got so fucking furious.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599354 << let it be as it was, at the usual rate of phuctoring, it is not an issue☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 13:26 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594569 && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594581 << since most of those are 502s, yes those URLs can be exempted - i am a bit wary of introducing blacklist / ad hoc rules - after all, those phuctor URLs can later be re-archived, what's the pain - but maybe it's strainful to phuctor?
asciilifeform: (handful in a day)
asciilifeform: and if it becomes an issue, i'll throttle the output on my end. (and some time quite soon i will be putting a series of db tweaks in, as recommended by various folx here)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger how about adding a &middot; in between timestamp and speaker, so that timestamp is still lined as now, but the dot is linked to make range ?
mircea_popescu: ( Framedragger and if you work on it, moving away from the "<name> " to the bolded-name-colon convention would also be very nice.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599316 << noshit.jpg☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 07:59 ben_vulpes: so duh, vdiff does not guarantee patches will be sensible in a v tree, and it is incumbent upon a patch-grinder to ensure their patches actually apply cleanly.
mircea_popescu: ( Framedragger and also, hour ticks in the shape of a <hr /> ; and also - gray out the bot lines.)
mircea_popescu: and also, why the fuck does nobody teach women how to hold a glass. http://68.media.tumblr.com/48c7aea33c3fd93c9453bf97e841dea0/tumblr_mrvieauTfV1rfycyjo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599369 << interestingly, the americans put an electric nag, 'bitching betty', in the f16. but iirc it only switches on if you're doing something lethally stupid .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 13:54 mircea_popescu: ve hours of 20yo receptionist work, you're smack drab in the middle of exactly it. (and see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-25#1285777 )
mircea_popescu: the reasoning hopefully being that by then, rage can't possibly hurt anything.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: it utters phrases like 'trajectory meets ground in 10 seconds' etc.
mircea_popescu: fighter jet being on trajectory that flies into terrain in 10 seconds is exactly the opposite of lethally stupid.
mircea_popescu: it's not a fucking airliner.
mircea_popescu: and there is to this day no better missile defense than air-ground effects.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ack
asciilifeform: 10 is a bit pushing it. but IANAP.
mircea_popescu: &thumbsup;
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599416 << so only the dot would create/alter ranges, right? aha sounds good☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:20 mircea_popescu: Framedragger how about adding a &middot; in between timestamp and speaker, so that timestamp is still lined as now, but the dot is linked to make range ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most "under radar" missions are "if you stall, you also die"
asciilifeform: this , yes
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the dot would create range, if a line is already highlighted.
mircea_popescu: and remove range, otherwise
Framedragger: right. sounds clean to me
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599301 << davout: any idea what is 'epitech' ? this box is live, appears to be its job appl. portal.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 07:34 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DC8E3EC0B9017F6F08B1D8C0CC0EAE96DCA4F5E0EDC4DCFEC6757F3F65775EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.5.81.105 (ssh-rsa key from 163.5.81.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (candidature.epitech.eu. FR J 94)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it's a big thing, because if you're off radar you can be targetted by individual experts carrying 3 to 8 shots each ; and if you're on the radar you can be targetted by technicians carrying 64 to 256 shots each.
Framedragger: (before, i had this idea of user being able to alter ranges very simply; but obviously there was the whole confusion of "i want to alter anchor" vs. "i want to alter range" function when clicking on timestamp, which sucked.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall belenko, the runaway d00d? famously longest off-radar run, flew to jp at, what was it, 10m above ocean
mircea_popescu: some,thing like that yeah.
mircea_popescu: and "10m over ocean" is you know... ONE WAVE getting close enough to spray in your intake and it's bye bye
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah, and i didn't even realise at the time wtf was happening.
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/dickens/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599298 << ahahaha trinque is such a texan. wtf is that, "couldn't decide if i want a rape van or a deer hunting truck so i got both" ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 07:26 trinque: http://i.imgur.com/gl2SCbX.jpg << speaking of toyota trucks, bought this guy
BingoBoingo: Trinque got a very lordly vehicle indeed
mircea_popescu: does it come with .50 caliber m2 as a factory option ?
BingoBoingo: It has bed, mounting armament is post-dealer option
BingoBoingo: Ladder frame perfect for securing weapon mount.
asciilifeform: bed looks rather small on the picture tho
mircea_popescu: yeah browning goes on roof.
mircea_popescu: booty goes on bed.
asciilifeform: there apparently exist trucks now where the bed is barely larger than ordinary car's boot
asciilifeform: a strange cargo-cultism.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599317 << eh relax, the whole point of prototyping is to prototype.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 08:02 ben_vulpes: i don't know what sort of apology is due here as clearly nobody has ever even tried to apply those patches through a strict v, but i'm still going to go slam my head in a door until i get some of the stupid out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there apparently exist beds now where the bed is barely larger than an ordinary couch. progress, dood.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599168 << two separate sets of crapola. the 'factor == modulus' thing was on account of the way i made the debian 8ball, with (product of Ps of possible keys) being one, and (product of Qs...) being another. but there turned out to exist debianized mods where BOTH factors were drawn from Pproduct (or alternatively Qproduct) and gcd ended up equaling the mod, a case that was not (formerly) tested for☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 05:21 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: did you ever figure out the source of the spuriata?
asciilifeform: because wtf.
mircea_popescu: or even comprehended to exist.
asciilifeform: the barf wave, however, resulted from two werker runs that overwrote one another's working temp sets on disk. another wtf, that should not have been possible, added locking.
mircea_popescu: aaa
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599329 << iirc they're the most important single source of spam/probing/assorted script kiddery on the nets.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 09:17 davout: ovh is a french company, stands for "on vous héberge" and are basically the niggers of the hosting business here in france
asciilifeform: (the ~standard~ 8ball, with the primorial from 2...infinity, grew large enough that it slows down werker run to about 5 hours ! )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform q : does it exclude factors already found in moduli ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it does not need to
asciilifeform: (and it would be extremely impractical to divide it, the thing is a GB+ and counting)
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: how many is that ? 3mn ish ?
asciilifeform: 5799979789 as of 5min ago.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599342 << using cloudflare is not unlike using mercury-based syphilis cures.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 09:24 netmonk: as cloudflare isnt working well with it.
asciilifeform: (last prime)
mircea_popescu: 5.8bn primes ? oh
asciilifeform: btw i discovered a 1000x speedup for 8ballator. but have not deployed yet, because, comically, it will rapidly sink the entire machine
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599349 << i find this odd, because i add two numbers the same way i add 2 million numbers. don't you ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 09:28 netmonk: you dont manage 500k servers like you manage the 10 servers of paymium
mircea_popescu: and of course all the outbound links on yosefk.com linked above are gone.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599440 <<< french it engineering school, pretty much where all the autists go☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599301 << davout: any idea what is 'epitech' ? this box is live, appears to be its job appl. portal.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/fewZO << holy shit bulletin boards were a crime against humanity. how the fuck was this permitted to exiswt.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599455 << had trouble finding the exact variant, bed is more like http://zoneoffroad.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/zone-offroad-005.jpg but slightly different cab☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:58 asciilifeform: bed looks rather small on the picture tho
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599449 << lol mega-apt☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599298 << ahahaha trinque is such a texan. wtf is that, "couldn't decide if i want a rape van or a deer hunting truck so i got both" ?
trinque: also, can pull traditional heavy-drinking lake machines around. very important.
trinque: congrats to asciilifeform on phuctor's return. bbl
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/26CD3C2757BFF9669BD855ABC65060F16D18FDB7B80BA8496EB392C5A1F1BFB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1086...2029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.23.183.157 (ssh-rsa key from 184.23.183.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (184-23-183-157.dynamic.dsl.mlode.com. US CA)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599371 << i've been thinking about this problem, because range select is very handy, but i haven't figured out a way to make it not confusing. specifically the "stickiness" where you catch a range and can't get rid of it. can implement the traditional select semantics like shift-click to activate a range?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:08 mircea_popescu: phf any idea on how to replicate Framedragger 's logger multiline selection thing without the hassle ? maybe something like "first click, highlights line ; second click, highlights area ; third click, highlights line within area" or such ?
phf: and then once you have a range and trying to get rid of it, if you have a screen full of range, you have to go through the whole "scroll till no range, select arbitrary line" thing
asciilifeform: what's wrong with 'esc' key
phf: you have a choice to represent everything with a "click" procedure that activates things on backend (by altering get parameters), or you go frontend in which case welcome to the javascript hell
phf: though i like the idea of esc
phf: but if you're going javascript frontend then might as well go full modifier mode. shift to select, command click to move cursor inside selection, etc.
asciilifeform: also i am slightly puzzled re mircea_popescu liking line-based trad diff but not line-based log quoter.
asciilifeform: (else why this selection thing is needed?)
phf: well, mp is presumably trying to solve a problem of quoting large conversations. our thread links for example go for one liners, but require extra effort to figure out where the conversation starts and where it ends, etc.
asciilifeform: every large conversation has a start. why not quote that.
asciilifeform: (is what i typically do, at any rate.)
asciilifeform: this is ~exactly~ the line-diff problem.
phf: sometimes i want to address specific point in a context of a larger conversation. when i speak here it's usually enough to just point into conversation, but mp with his audience perhaps requires more contextualization
phf: last i ran into this yesterday for example here http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598392 i'm responding to line http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598295 but i quote one above it, as a pointer to the whole thread instead to establish context☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:21 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598294 << scheme83 is like a "canticle for leibowitz" artifact. "published design" is overstatement of the century. scraps of published memos and reports spread over out of print conference proceedings, the bulk of actual technology needed to recreate probably somewhere on a TAPE. i don't know where you got that mask generator runs on scheme83. the entire production stack was for mit cadr
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:50 asciilifeform: published design, and not only design, but the mask generator (runs on, i shit thee not, itself, also)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/942206EDACAB8A5655A9A41A9ABDBB5F6B9D49BBAF4C110588AE1D583FE5C47F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1354...4319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.208.74.84 (ssh-rsa key from 67.208.74.84 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US VA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6DEC7B012B39890A0325453579049FC94061796B14A0C8ED61E4D575B26D4FB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1355...3167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.126.180.248 (ssh-rsa key from 75.126.180.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (adfotain.net. US TX)
mod6: mornin'
asciilifeform: hey mod6 .
mod6: phuctor is back up i see. cool!
asciilifeform: mod6: aha, the postmortem is in today's log
asciilifeform: in today's wtf noose: asciilifeform learned that the 1750A cpu is still made and sold today!!
asciilifeform: (though so far i found only 'golden toilet' vendors, e.g., http://www.pyramidsemiconductor.com/products/microprocessor/1750.html )
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1A67BBCF3BC199EAB1EAE3CD402679F75C3277E063F16C4C8FB0E5DA4CC08E54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1418...4859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '132.248.237.245 (ssh-rsa key from 132.248.237.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.estadisticas.unam.mx. MX DIF)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EB4358DB99EA55443E95549BB3C2D498ABAD94BEF711ACCBC841372EEDD91519 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1425...3797 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.107.129.108 (ssh-rsa key from 92.107.129.108 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (108.129.107.92.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch. CH JU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D23DA35A98B17FBD111DBF1E703EAA70B581A3B7C95B73DCE62A5EC2C4311BAE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1418...5873 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.48.162.226 (ssh-rsa key from 95.48.162.226 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (jug226.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/75DDDAE15B7EC49DCE3F5ECB5576B44A6F0AFEA697CC33D6168163433EC66DFF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1407...3433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.185.83.21 (ssh-rsa key from 213.185.83.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (s2vm03.bugsys.de. DE NW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/943F09ABB194BBE5460720D7C28F5C386843034636637C74D7E7D23024B1179B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1516...1657 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.52.12.132 (ssh-rsa key from 200.52.12.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (seg.telinor.com.mx. MX NLE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E104B13454BC622809E581B96356F30C3256686209B24E7535378861FD771B7E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1530...8297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.76.214.46 (ssh-rsa key from 217.76.214.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IT AO 23)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAF3261D1430D9FB8B9638D728B38E5D345C3D932D7FE6E4BF5FC5B8A33F5A14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1525...6599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.152.52.156 (ssh-rsa key from 85.152.52.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.cizero-digital.com. ES AS O)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCC50E7FFDDD45A5928D7D7375C2E01383174DA0A3B8C3113464B3D09D7F35A0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...3299 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.44.244 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.44.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR749SBC-InFi-HuBe-Or-Ca-c2932-Love2Learn-FW. US CA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A71B5781B8BBAD9214FDE34ACCE621D3B5AA118EB962DF1814FD7D26BFFC7AF8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...8039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.200.229.133 (ssh-rsa key from 37.200.229.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown OM)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBE694BB98818664288E6705471A0406C706A99F00EEDD1DC6CF1B34A357E7EC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1453...8057 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.6.32.224 (ssh-rsa key from 188.6.32.224 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (BC0620E0.dsl.pool.telekom.hu. HU SZ)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6838D1B4096EE3FFD62580E7F8F2DFFEAC7B4AD962EA293A2D1E34921A8ED3BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1485...4987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.145.19.202 (ssh-rsa key from 93.145.19.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (net-93-145-19-202.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DC8E3EC0B9017F6F08B1D8C0CC0EAE96DCA4F5E0EDC4DCFEC6757F3F65775EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1462...0643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.5.81.105 (ssh-rsa key from 163.5.81.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (candidature.epitech.eu. FR J 94)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/149BB0A326A881049D0A7D65A950C68DD7413BE75BE07261666A8B8C7DC65EFC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1518...2009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '23.30.226.193 (ssh-rsa key from 23.30.226.193 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (23-30-226-193-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US MN)
mircea_popescu: jaysus
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599496 << shift click might also work fine yeah. who doesn't know about it doesn't need it either. what do you think of the dot idea ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 17:11 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599371 << i've been thinking about this problem, because range select is very handy, but i haven't figured out a way to make it not confusing. specifically the "stickiness" where you catch a range and can't get rid of it. can implement the traditional select semantics like shift-click to activate a range?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599505 << mp is in fact approaching the problem of "lord can be given single link pointer can be trusted to figure out the correct tree ; but outsider is much better served by being given block, because outsider ~= retard". so i tend to love ranges for things like "referencing old cannonical thread on periphery such as blog post comments" whereas love line references for "remind someone in c☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 17:18 phf: well, mp is presumably trying to solve a problem of quoting large conversations. our thread links for example go for one liners, but require extra effort to figure out where the conversation starts and where it ends, etc.
mircea_popescu: onversation of $item"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/40776E84A758AD819BF5F53DF459608C36946FE1F78EFA384C381205876A22CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1570...3367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '113.35.199.71 (ssh-rsa key from 113.35.199.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (113x35x199x71.ap113.ftth.ucom.ne.jp. JP 13)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AE6B4639A4016CFD59C865FD786F5D2437E49B15DD9C9EB41E6143642FCB5EAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1625...0453 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.31.229.178 (ssh-rsa key from 195.31.229.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IT)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599506 << because the fact that op is not already here carries the significance that the op has serious mental issues, of the nature of mental retardation, on which basis it is safe to assume op would return "that has nothing to do" rather than correctly prune the trees to get the shared up-node and then engage in the correct, intellectual-curiosity driven behaviour of reading himself out of☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 17:18 asciilifeform: every large conversation has a start. why not quote that.
mircea_popescu: a paper bag.
mircea_popescu: and in other pretty girls, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f838b467b4bc13ebeb8bb0867ef4c8b2/tumblr_o7eay9cJ0x1udy23bo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and in other news wtf is #cyberhatsecurity
mircea_popescu: ⓘ [465] You are banned from this server- (Clearing #cyberhatsecurity) Bots (2017/1/8 18.22) << random link to freenode klined. nothwithstanding it never sent to any channels. (or, for that matter, had anything to do with anything).
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F035B7DD7EBC023C9A24740A9F3C48EA8F895047D43806B4CA7835ACCB3E4288 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1633...9063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.62.236.67 (ssh-rsa key from 93.62.236.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (93-62-236-67.ip24.fastwebnet.it. IT TO 21)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DA2CD167BF09030541D93A27041C64941A6AC6A99BEF67A8F879B399658BCDAF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1689...4643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.56.146.18 (ssh-rsa key from 195.56.146.18 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns2.ksystem.hu. HU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0456045885241DCE7904B864BCD8E31BC152C9E8D547CB2541834EEEE45984EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1635...5043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.101.134.225 (ssh-rsa key from 75.101.134.225 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ec2-75-101-134-225.compute-1.amazonaws.com. US VA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A884F230768329AD945408D87431EADEEDE8302334631C7A6CA420D2F7246AD8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1691...8253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.240.254.106 (ssh-rsa key from 62.240.254.106 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (du-62-240-240-106.adsl.claranet.fr. FR)
mircea_popescu: apparently "cyberhatsecurity" is a bunch of kids (usual male + coupla orbiters + love interest movie cast) defacing/ddosing random obscure websites (da.gov.ph, "official website of ella fitzgerald", ectb.org, readanddigest.com and so on). but an evidently important & mayn guy named system "Im leaving social media. im sorry guys. please if you want to contact us go in our discord. https://discord.gg/CtuX56e". which is worth ch
mircea_popescu: ecking out for the sheer ineptitude involved (looks like a native crapple app ported to a web interface). and do consider their fucking notion of a post-mortem : https://archive.is/tPrBF#selection-765.0-762.5
mircea_popescu: "We've isolated the issue to a blip on an internal service caused by a deploy a few hours ago, which triggered a case where some buggy code incorrectly propagated the errors caused by the malfunction up to our client, that then attempted to retry sending the message. For now, we've reverted the changes and everything looks stable. We're going to investigate this further. As of now, we have a few action items to resolve these
mircea_popescu: issues, and we'll provide a full post-mortem here in the morning." together with the absent anything "in the morning" readily constitutes the epitome of "a new generation" in computing.
davout: interesting: https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2017/01/08/a-bitcoin-transaction-that-takes-5-hours-to-verify/
mircea_popescu: findanddelete eh.
mircea_popescu: oh this is the lerner dude that exposed that bitmessage idiocy, i recall.
asciilifeform: 'About 28% of the original Bitcoin v0.1 source code remains in Bitcoin Core v0.12 (although that 28% now represents less than 1.9% of the total source lines), so the possibility existed. ' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: aha
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/ << Trilema - My AI problems, a humble confession.
ben_vulpes: in other clojure bashings: https://chriskohlhepp.wordpress.com/functional-programming-section/metacircular-adventures-in-functional-abstraction-challenging-clojure-in-common-lisp/
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598703 << ternary is neat and all, but have you considered implementing arc atop colorforth?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 23:18 gabriel_laddel_p: adlai: well it seems I can't have you do what I had in mind. Could you instead please review http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/ternary/ and work out some basic ternery circuts for the eventual loper machine?
phf: damn, re that clojure post, "with friends like that..."
mircea_popescu: why is this dude so wikipedia-bound ?
mircea_popescu lost interest on the 3rd reference or thereabouts.
phf: i don't grok referencing encyclopedias in general. if i don't know what "dog" is, i can probably source it myself
mircea_popescu: encyclopedias in general may be educative ; but wikipedia is not an encyclopedia.
mircea_popescu: if i don't agree with what you mean by dog, pointing to the tv set is unlikely to resolve much.
phf: i don't think it's an attempt to establish terminology. i always read it as a herp-a-derp chumminess with a reader "oh maybe you don't know what i'm talking about, i'm going to help you out here"
mircea_popescu: i always read it as a "i am dedicated to the empire and won't miss an opportunity to spam its tendrils". exactly the same substance as the "seo expert" pushing colon cleanser or w/e. just vaguely different clothing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the noobs : to specific objections are raised here. one speaks to corectness : a random "reality tv" show may include elements which, inasmuch as they factually exist, are actually true, such as a curb, or a window pane. nevertheless, this does not make the reality tv show MEANINGFUL.
mircea_popescu: the other speaks to accuracy. there is a reason man pages are written by the authors of the software, not by a conclave of self-identified users of said software. a measure of accuracy could certainly be devised whereby the 2nd version is "just as accurate" as a proper man page. nevertheless, it would not in the slightest be INTERESTING.
mircea_popescu: which is the summa : wikipedia is meaningless and uninteresting ; that it does so through the mechanism of advertising "not using advertising" and asking for "donations", and that it manages to chump randos into turning large piles of banal trivia into an agglomeration of garbage is entirely incidental.