botneko-chan: The main principle of cool ddos is: you give $ for bandwith and $ for us and we have fun all month
kakobrekla: as far as we discussed he understands the blockchain size problems or the lack of there of.
botneko-chan: ah, ok. I'm non native speaker, shortened eng sometimes hard for me
botneko-chan: have botnet of routers more than 2 times bigger than Core's network
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punkman: is anyone making smart-tv/fridge/microwave botnets yet?
kakobrekla: add wifi laundry washing machines to the list.
molz: asciilifeform: thanks :)
botneko-chan: ant then they say that there is no censorship on classic/xt while core is censored
molz: asciilifeform: a bitcoin fan
molz: what's this channel about?
punkman: get it before the venezuelans burn it all down
molz: mircea_popescu: very interesting, love it
molz: are you guys on bitcoin core slack?
mod6: ben_vulpes: re shiva, cool that you're getting into that!
mod6: asciilifeform: re yesterday (line 47) of some version of the V99997 build script.... I took a look at the one that was deedbot'd and that line was correct.
mod6: i dunno where that other version came from.
☟︎ mod6: i'll dig it up, but none the less, everyone should be using v99995 now
mod6: thanks to whomever updated the wiki
mod6: really quite helpful to just relax for a couple of days.
mod6: shinohai: cool! maybe take a backup at somepoint before you get to 100% so incase of power-cycle you won't have to start over from genesis.
mod6: mircea_popescu: how's everything been around here
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 435.69, Best ask: 435.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 435.69, 24 hour volume: 16224.04349694, 24 hour low: 422.1, 24 hour high: 437.89, 24 hour vwap: None
gribble: Current Blocks: 400471 | Current Difficulty: 1.6349165490895926E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 401183 | Next Difficulty In: 712 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 12 hours, 27 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mod6: it's been weird to even be afk for 24 hours.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> breaks do a body good. << yeah for sure. and i think it totally helps to step back and see the entire forest through the trees.
mod6: in scheme news, i learned how to read a file and print it out the screen. lol
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 17:13:58; phf: we don't have a way to serialize/deserialize yet, so the point is moot, but probably not for long
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mod6: i'll check back in later all! <3
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 01:07:38; mod6: i dunno where that other version came from.
pete_dushenski: "danielpbarron: It autocompletes ./euclient" << top line on my box
mircea_popescu: a href="#t00:21:04" class="time">00:21</a> << your browser is VERY broken
mircea_popescu: i don't care. if it doesn't select correctly on a href anchor it's so broken it wouldn't qualify as a browser in 1995.
mircea_popescu: course i'm not installing fucking zorin or w/e the thing is called
pete_dushenski: fwiw b-a logs always and everywhere seem to link correctly. maybe eulora logs need some of that kako magic pixie dust ?
pete_dushenski: "SSD UBER rates are higher than disk rates, which means that backing up SSDs is even more important than it is with disks. The SSD is less likely to fail during its normal life, but more likely to lose data." << from punkman's link.
BingoBoingo: Is the heatsink appropriately copper colored or is it laminated with tar?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: is rms hawking these turds himself ? cui bono from this misdirection ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> pete_dushenski: i suspect that it is a js thing << look at the page source. no js, just a href anchors.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps he has become a lichen as he aged. Half man half malassezia since the toe jam incident.
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punkman: asciilifeform: wtf would that even mean ? << other crazy fsf people that want to be rms
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punkman: what, the history of "utter failure"
DicePower: Ahh okay, thought I had to decode that hash thing.
DicePower: (which didn't work for some reason)
phf: most of the time i spent setting up linux on macbook pro was tracing and eliminating overheating problems
phf: cargoculting /proc and disabling almost everything. on mbp issue is mostly with discrete ATI card
phf: ati card, bus that it sits on, wifi, sd card slot, firewire slot, hdmi, bus that those sit on
phf: manually forcing cpu to run in save as much battery mode
phf: well, that's why i'm back on mac os x in defeat
phf: i gave up because integrated intel card and ati card combination required some fancy grub PEEK/POKE combination, and i didn't want to do grub
phf: oddly enough doing that same PEEK/POKE after the linux framebuffer kicked in would blankscreen the machine.
phf: i'd probably persevere but it was interfering with my work, only so much you can do with cli emacs, without a proper browser
phf: mircea_popescu: extreme case of "tom knight and the lisp machine", doing things with no understanding hoping to produce desired effect
phf: i have a borrowed carbon x1 that i'm hoping to make use of. guy was running ubuntu on it, and clean slackware install at the very least doesn't exhibit particularly aberrant behaviors
phf: but the whole exercise feels a bit hair shirt
phf: maybe i can get away with running 10.9 for the next five years at which point b-a will have its own scheme-81 clean room, yeah?
phf: well, yeah, all those hoops i jumped through, compiling anything non-trivial would kick in fans at 60000
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BingoBoingo relishes in that feeing of power that follows one's presence ending a turf war.
BingoBoingo: the turf, one well lit front yard. The combatants a vocal orange neighborhood cat and a fox
BingoBoingo: I go out front to see what the fuss is and the cat shoots out of the tree and under a car while the fox shoots off into a the park
phf: BingoBoingo sets own yard on fire to settle a long running dispute between cat and fox in favor of man
BingoBoingo: Nah, just smoke a cigarette and pissed on some bushes
BingoBoingo: They gotta understand that when man can mark territory with their weight in piss it is man's world.
phf: i'm always reminded of that movie where i guy was living among wolves, every morning he'd drink a lot of coffee and make rounds
BingoBoingo: Well coffee helps when keeping up with all the rest of nature
phf: that evokes images of a decisive cup, rationed coffee as a boost for man's will in harsh conditions. most of the coffee experience i'm surrounded with is not like that at all. office workers on a litre a day, hipsters with artisanal pourovers, three jobs just to keep up crowd on a dunken donuts extra large. not much keeping up with nature
phf: i don't mind the idea, but, if you need this much coffee, why not just take amphetamines?
BingoBoingo: phf: Because that would be bad for my sobriety
phf: i thought aa mostly object to other substances only as much as they trigger alcohol abuse. unless you have a history of mixing alcohol and speed, there shouldn't be any crossover
BingoBoingo: How would I know if I did have a history of that?
phf: some good parties you go to
phf: it was mostly a rhetorical question, i just think that once you cross certain line with a substance, perhaps it's worthwhile to try something different. but since coffee guzzling is mostly done from lack of attention, perhaps it's not a good idea
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Well, supposedly coffee is good for the liver
phf: in a correlation/causation world of pop medicine here's ten things that you need to know about new use for an old drug that's all the rage
phf: so does any other arbitrary chain of biochemical events that some team somewhere decides to investigate. it's the mutual interaction of those events that makes the entire system not amenable to reasoning
phf: throw in statistical ranges and often shoddy studies and you might as well go quoting ayurvedic doctors
mircea_popescu: well nobody seriously wants to contemplate that hey, 19 haplogroups, 100+ subgroups each, subgroups of subgroups, and serious test of "is coffee good or bad" needs 1mn+ subjects
mircea_popescu is vaguely bracing himself for discovery that tobacco essential for healthy, cca 2050 or so
BingoBoingo: Well, grandpa did smoke into his late 60's to early 70's
phf: from the study of dynamic systems, "researches put more wood on kindling, create big fire. more wood is good for fire!" "researches put more wood on massive fire, fire suffocates. less wood is good for fire!"
BingoBoingo wonders what could be so harmful about drinking less coffee con a daily basis than I often did vodka
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol so apparently r/btc moderator turned out to be con man, took donations to hash, kept donations since classic doomed anyway.
phf: BingoBoingo: oh i wasn't saying it's harmful, i was saying that when coffee stops working, perhaps it's time to take amphetamines, since it's a cleaner and longer productive high. of course with a history of substance abuse of any kind it is perhaps not a good idea (same people who drink coffee by the litre, start eating amphetamines, etc.)
phf: but i'm going to drop the subject, i'm being tedious and i need to pass out anyway
mircea_popescu: contrary to a whole lot of gargle, the list of +ev usage is ~empty.
☟︎ b6: Just someone interested in bitcoins, and related interests.
b6: Found you guys in a weird way, not gunna lie.
b6: Through the most recent f2pool ddos, to be exact.
b6: Icebreaker was claiming something about coming from La serenissima
b6: Googled that, found MP's article, googles them, found this channel
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: gutter cascadian lingo
phf: all dat dank ass portland weed
b6: The guy on BTC-T claiming he shut down f2pool this week
b6: In response to them allowing miners to use classic
eth2: i guess you've had quite a lot of visitors today haha
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punkman: interesting stuff asciilifeform
punkman: "basically, Grsecurity fixes what Linus leaves open and unprotected for whichever reason in the GNU/Linux kernel, and that seems to annoy the genius very much... It's a real though subdued war out there, and Grsecurity had a moment of mild failure for a few days, exactly after a major contribution by, wait, wait!... by the Dear Leader himself..."
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assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 20:28:39; asciilifeform: or everett's solution !
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 06:37:37; phf: it was mostly a rhetorical question, i just think that once you cross certain line with a substance, perhaps it's worthwhile to try something different. but since coffee guzzling is mostly done from lack of attention, perhaps it's not a good idea
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 07:13:02; mircea_popescu: contrary to a whole lot of gargle, the list of +ev usage is ~empty.
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
trinque: wtf happened to freenode this weekend?
trinque: deedbot- was connecting to adam.freenode.net successfully, then never appearing here.
☟︎ trinque: switched to the chat.freenode.net rotation, joins.
PeterL: trinque: I wonder if we ever get gossipd to replace freenode, will we still have these sorts of connection problems?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, water infrastructure has decayed to the point nobody involved EVNE KNOWS you can't drink from lake then switch to river
mircea_popescu: and new york has been failing to maintain it's nuclear power plants.
mircea_popescu: think about it - by the time a nuclear plant starts crying out for lack of maintenance, how badly maintained was everything else ?
PeterL: It wasn't clear in the story, is the nuclear problem in New York leaking into their water system and poisoning everybody?
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 13:31:04; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can you get him in here somehow ??
PeterL: yeah, I know about MI water, but NY is leaking into their river, are they taking river water into their drinking water?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla jurov either of you doing on the side the gfs of any croatian nazi leader doods ? that might know this guy ? lol.
mircea_popescu: PeterL you are aware NOBODY KNOWS what ny water does, not anymore. shit in there that hasn't been touched in 50+ years.
mircea_popescu: it's "unmaintainable" ie, unmaintained. once it goes, it goes. start trucking water bottles for 5mn people.
mircea_popescu: jurov "doing on the side" means, fucking, as an extra, other than current relationship.
jurov: there's a nzi leader in slovakia but im not doing his bfs
PeterL: I guess my question is: where does NY city pull it's drinking water from? Is it at all connected to the Hudson River?
mircea_popescu: i do not believe anyone alive today can answer this question cogently.
PeterL: millions of people live in new york, and they all just assume somebody else is keeping their stuff running for them
PeterL: world would be better off if they all get sick and die
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 13:35:07; asciilifeform: 'Do I really have to be forced to use accessibility if I want just the gtk gui? I don't have the time needed to learn to modify ebuild, and keep a separate overlay... I want to use Gentoo, not keep building it forever. Do I really have to accomodate for remote seat to be able to use Gentoo? '
thestringpuller: PeterL: prob why they used to make a lot of escape from new york movies.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 13:36:35; asciilifeform: ^ 'tor browser' eats dbus
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 13:45:59; asciilifeform: yes, it is better to sleep ad libitum, and wash yourself in the morning with fresh virgin tears and panda milk.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 14:35:18; trinque: deedbot- was connecting to adam.freenode.net successfully, then never appearing here.
mircea_popescu: sorry, should have announced trilema article in advance for cia/nsa/blablabla.
PeterL: in other news, my trb node (syncing since January) is now up to July 2014
jurov: ;;later tell fghj ^
phf: i think emacs has dbus support to do fluff like message notification, last time i built it on linux it built without dbus just fine, but i prefer xlib/athena widgets (i know ascii hates them), since i basically disable menu/scrollbar/etc. not sure if maybe gtk widgets now have dbus hardwired
phf: of course fact that emacs supports dbus but not a generic ffi goes back to thread about rms and wreckers
phf: you mean in gentoo parlance? an emacs ebuild doesn't respect -dbus flag, and pulls it unconditionally?
assbot: “Has Linux lost its way?” comments prompt a Debian developer to revisit FreeBSD after 20 years | The Changelog ... (
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phf: tuomo valkonen has been ranting about that stuff back in 2005 or so
phf: "why is this freedesktop shit being compiled in with no way of disabling it"
phf: his (and mine) pet peve at the time was mandatory freetype (i think that linux's dodgy hinting and antialiasing are worse then running it aliased and at the time i wanted bitmap fonts everywhere)
phf: not to mention that freetype pulls in the whole dodgy freedesktop stack. why do i need 5 different libraries to support arabic ligatures?
mircea_popescu: the reasoning goes, that if arabs have no way of knowing they're arabs, such as for instance if the use of THEIR script happens transparently everywhere, then they won't be able to maintain a sense of nationality and consequently jena bush's tush will remain unmolested.
mircea_popescu: this of course means you must support arabic ligature in your kkkapp made specifically to scrawl white supremacist nonsense on virtual toilets in gta4.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but it also means you needn't worry about it - as a consumer, it'll just be done for you, automagically!
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mircea_popescu: and to take the discussion up a coupla levels of abstraction : this is not a technical problem in any sense. in fact, the only thing that a classification of problems into technical and otherwise says is that ~the classifier~ is broken in the head.
mircea_popescu: or if you prefer, poorly socialised. still entertains the delusion that he'll make a nice woman out of marble and invent a lock that'll keep rats out of his granary.
mircea_popescu: all he does is prepare conference slides. for 20+ yearsn ow
mircea_popescu: various reasons = being flaming imbeciles with no inclination towards work
mircea_popescu: he basically saw himself as a sort of jimbo wales. except forgot the part where tardpedia can contain anything, epistula non erubiscit, but the compiler doth complain.
mircea_popescu: and if a community vote is held to silence the complaints for racist and whatrever,
mircea_popescu: environment not yet ripe for "fuck you - breaking the law by license!" alexandrine solution
mircea_popescu: "being flaming imbeciles with no inclination towards work".
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how does a man work who can't support himself ?
punkman: "Here at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he has made his home - literally, sleeping for 13 years on a narrow cot in a cubbyhole that resembles a nest, littered with candy wrappers, food containers, papers and magazines. Garbage tumbles off every surface, piles up in corners, allowing only a narrow track through which to navigate a life."
mircea_popescu: also, the proper quote is "modern real-world technical issues and the bigger picture". gotta get that MODERN in there, it is a key element of the belief system of idiots that the problems they encounter are novel.
phf: is that drepper quote?
phf: back against the wall
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ridiculousness of form aside, i can readily see the twin point that rms is catastrophically blind and strategically worthless.
mircea_popescu: enough illustration - he went to fucking glbse conference.
trinque: rms strikes me as a few rounds of imitation back from poettering and that ethereum kid
trinque: playing the role of slovenly hacker guy who chews his toenails
trinque: same as any other chief scientist or wannabe religious nut leader
mircea_popescu: to put this in proper perspective : "genjix" is the garbage-eating, underage-cousin-pimping, imbecile on a stick amir taaki.
mircea_popescu: stallman has reduced himself to the position where street urchins are pulling the "i'm paying you, stand up to attention" trick on him
mircea_popescu: and i do mean street urchins quite literally, the sort of mostly-nude eastern flesh that'd follow europeans begging for candy, either as a freebie or in trade for butthole.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla tell you what, if maddof has a talk there as well as obama, it'll be the ponzi conference.
mircea_popescu: you have to BUY A LICENSE to run a public house and be protected by this "publichouse" theory.
phf: well, it's an opportunity for him to get his talking points in
mircea_popescu: well, it's an opportunity for him to make nice for 500 bux.
mircea_popescu: but, back to the original point : catastrophic blindness and strategic worthlessness. the embodiment thereof, this is it.
kakobrekla: rms was on nefarios conference as much as nefario was on rms conference
kakobrekla: if i had to guess mps argument here; 'shit doesnt know/care about itself bathing in shit, only actual person does'
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 14:55:06; mircea_popescu: everything is on the exam. including stuff from the future.
mircea_popescu: oh, he "didn't know" what was in front of him ? that's the definition of blindness. and he didn't know WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ?
mircea_popescu: well wtf, i get the same results from my dog. i don't make the dog a strategist. FOR THIS REASON.
kakobrekla: yeah, his talks have been a carbon copy for a very long time on all the confs.
mircea_popescu: listen to prophet, be entertained ; follow strategist, survive.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to one day tell me what's the "operative difference" between peach and pear, but not in the sense of "one has a wooden pit". instead, in the sense of "what do the trees do differently"
mircea_popescu: don't flatter yourself. you can't arrange this, and the answer would provably be > petabytes long.
mircea_popescu: but you UNDERSTAND the meta point, which makes you lie to yourself about your capacities, because you really really want things to be a certain way.
mircea_popescu: so basically this discussion just became 'explain this to me, and if you do i'll just pretend the explanation doesn't exist"
mircea_popescu: note in any case that "operative" in that context specifically seeks "wooden pit" type answers.
phf: goes back to cause/purpose thing
mircea_popescu: now, granted, in re the trees, while it stands that you can't do it, i suspect you're right in suspecting it CAN be done.
mircea_popescu: which makes it perhaps a substantially different bojum.
mircea_popescu: but i know people who put satellites in orbit ; i know no one who made the answer to the tree question.
mircea_popescu: note that cold fusion has been approx where rocketry was in 1930 for a good century now.
mircea_popescu: they're both where virgin teen is on prom night. is it going to be a good experience/marriage/life ? who knows ?
mircea_popescu: note that mom and dad of virgin teen can liberally hold either of these views, interchangeably.
mircea_popescu: i think that's what the "cold" part is trying to suggest.
mircea_popescu: otherwise... all sorts of "more expensive than it's worth" methods are known
mircea_popescu: ie, not high temperature, cold. but the meaning contemplated in the expression is, i suspect, quite, "+ev, ie cold"
mircea_popescu: "ideally, it would want it not to exist ; but if it must exist, it wants to be the only one to ever have it"
mircea_popescu: in a very "sf" take of the thing - actually workable, and perhaps miniaturizable laser-initiated compression would put the nuclear issue on about the same terms the war on drugs finds itself.
mircea_popescu: ie, anyoen can make drugs and you won't be able to detect them and fuck you.
mircea_popescu: "here's where washington used to be, that crater to the left. oh, you never saw that 100cc of methane gas, did oyu ? awww!"
mircea_popescu: shoulda looked for methane instead of 2,3-blablatronium.
mircea_popescu: unlike the qc thing, i can't even say this is not in the cards.
mircea_popescu: besides. gotta explain all the other lifeless planets out there ~somehow~.
mircea_popescu: as the romanian expression goes, "apai atunci nu-i prea vad in clar"
mircea_popescu: literally, "thus therefore, i don't see them to clearly", but that "not see clearly" really means, "it won't end up well for them". sort-of like prophet not seeing your future too clearly.
mircea_popescu: "in clar" also denotes plaintext, ie, immediately accessible. no need to explain and mediate their carcass into being, as it were.
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 07:02:37; asciilifeform: 'Had the atomic bomb turned out to be something as cheap and easily manufactured as a bicycle or an alarm clock, it might well have plunged us back into barbarism, but it might, on the other hand, have meant the end of national sovereignty and of the highly-centralised police state. If, as seems to be the case, it is a rare and costly object as difficult to produce as a battleship, it is likelier to p
mircea_popescu: fortunately, it is not MERELY the atomic bomb that is rare and costly and as difficult to produce as a battleship.
mircea_popescu: ~CARING~ about the otherwise irrelevant item is ALSO rare and costly and difficult to produce. moreso than a battleship.
mircea_popescu: hence why the meanwhile-barbarianized new yorkers couldn't care less if the nuke plant blows.
mircea_popescu: so what if it does ? more varied tail for the lot of them!
mircea_popescu: but at any rate, notice how the "worldwide peace" movement seamlessly morphed into the "antiatomic movement" seamlessly morphed into the "ecology" movement.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, there's some ad on his page that blocks the loading.
phf: i think the "advanced user" workflow is to pick up genkernel config, menuconfig it, put the config back into genkernel, recompile
phf: in before asciilifeform finally goes all LFS
trinque: decent as a learning tool and not much else.
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trinque: yes, I understand I just said "this food has less shit in it!"
trinque: worth mentioning too that one's referring to an entire *usable* operating system and the other to only a kernel
trinque: I personally would far sooner deal with a shitty package management system than a swiss cheese kernel
trinque: and obviously the hardware's all rotten too; I get that, but that's not an argument in favor of linux.
☟︎ trinque: tbh bitching about the openbsd ports tree is a matter of having missed the point; pester the maintainer or become him if you want something changed.
trinque: actually most of the remote code execution exploits in recent OpenBSD were the fault of X
trinque: it seems to have done pretty well across the board
trinque: whether that's due to it being a less prevalent target, I do not know.
trinque: heh, I'll have to try running my emacs env on your brick sometime
trinque: it doesn't run linux binaries, which would preclude buildroot, wouldn't it?
trinque: in openbsd's case the operating system's version number refers to an entire base system
trinque: could just target one of those and results should be the same on same arch
trinque: lemme see what it does and I'll paste; I've done it before and it barfed.
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phf: asciilifeform: there's no rotor
phf: i think i wanted to figure out how to package openssl/db/boost as buildroot native packages, rather then doing adhoc, which is a task in itself
phf: once i do can probably produce buildroot for mac os x too
phf: i'm though confused, i thought buildroot is explicitly a cross-compilation mechanism?
☟︎ phf: "Buildroot is a tool that simplifies and automates the process of building a complete Linux system for an embedded system, using cross-compilation.
phf: In order to achieve this, Buildroot is able to generate a cross-compilation toolchain, a root filesystem, a Linux kernel image and a bootloader for your target."
ben_vulpes: > verify with text message (most secure)
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 20:00:05; asciilifeform: in this particular case, why offspring
ben_vulpes: sure as hell beats drinking the horror at my own existence away
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 21:41:44; phf: i'm though confused, i thought buildroot is explicitly a cross-compilation mechanism?
phf: oh so it's not even crosscompile?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> << quite psychanalizable, ftr. notice the spurt of "make x great again" ever since 2015 or so. << It's a Trump slogan, that's why it went meme
BingoBoingo: <trinque> it doesn't run linux binaries, which would preclude buildroot, wouldn't it? << Last week Openbsd killed linux_compat on i386 which is the last platform they supported it on
phf: i was hoping to get intellij idea running on that
phf: nah, actually use it for day to day development
phf: err, i mean, python mostly
phf: it does, and it has very elaborate python plugin (can be had separately as "pycharm")
jurov: they have a sibling of idea named pycharm
phf: it does things for you, autoimports, large scale refactoring, working jump to/from functionality
phf: it's got some other niceties, like a db integration, where it introspects into the scheme and then does static analysis on your sql code, including sql code that's inline somewhere in python
phf: i don't know what constitutes naked civilian box
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4882 @ 0.00058647 = 2.8631 BTC [+]
jurov: that it's good thing to dream about :)
ben_vulpes shits in sink, eats from toilet bowl, never knew to do anything else before 2013
☟︎ jurov: As long as you use the proper hand for each.
ben_vulpes: sheesh this is like when i moved to new york and people were astonished to learn that there's electricity west of the rockies
phf: toilet paper is barbaric
ben_vulpes: at mp's prompting i added a plastic handheld thing to the shower
phf: asciilifeform: i guess i can't seem to find a baseline that doesn't suck in all kinds of obvious and non-obvious ways. for all practical purposes i operate out of a semipublic terminal that i don't own. various attempts to establish non-superficial ownership were unsuccessful for reasons amply discussed here
phf: i found my way here to begin with because i was following your loperos project and your conclusions were then correct, only to be re-confirmed as part of b-a research
phf: probably all the common lispers
phf: ah, i think that's from before i was paying close attention to logs
phf: but anyway, chuck moore probably has clean kitchen and terry davis :p
phf: i think he renamed himself during my 6 months
phf: my current goal is to have better compartmentalization, like have a gaming machine (i.e. libretto running dos, i've been unwinding with ~~'95 games), a work machine (i.e. a thing that can run intellij and which is compromised for all the practical purposes) and a b-a machine whatever that evolves into, because i don't think the future of a computer as a progrock moog station is panning out
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> not all, ben_vulpes was here before me. << iirc benkay you and myself were part of the 2013 #b-a cohort
phf: that must be right because that's when asciilifeform published the mpex review, so i must've been reading mp since then, but ben_vulpes renamed himself quite recently
phf: sometime summer last year