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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i realise now i didn't even spec the bot correctly, it's supposed to multiline if multi links
mircea_popescu: which was the original spec.
mp_en_viaje: shrysr, nfi why it doesn't work on your machine. indeed the solution should be browser independent. maybe they broke the spec ?
ave1: btw, I do like lisp and going through the spec.
ave1: and in number of functions described in common lisp spec: 438 (see http://ave1.org/2019/lisp-documenting-my-encounter-with-step-1/#comment-233)
mp_en_viaje: as to the multiline thing, i recall my trying to spec a multi-line selector with framedragger just prior his disappearance. iirc he got it working, maybe lift that ?
mp_en_viaje: in continuing sads : /me attempted to spec the server side php job ; and it can be done, roughly, there exist primitives for, eg, "insert this after nth word and that after mth word". however : a) this interferes with the footnotes, because footnotes exist as z (( b)) and not as displayed on page ; and b) there's no good way to # and ? at the same time because of the way trilema handles title-urls.
BingoBoingo: jurov: The problem I find myself in at this time, is that the time to spec the auction that way is when opening it.
asciilifeform: incidentally, while on subj -- and i did even try to warn pete -- folx who abuse fg as 'collectible stamp' set themselves up for hurt, unlike patek etc thing is quite deliberately designed to be simple to replicate, lacks any form of serial numeration etc, and the only tests are for mechanical correctness, where all units built to spec pass, whether orig by asciilifeform, or by zimbabwe, or martians.
asciilifeform: there is ~not~ a shortage of irons. but there ~is~ a shortage of soft that actually behaves to spec and fitsinhead.
diana_coman: I don't even recall exactly but basically took their spec too seriously
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've begun the search. will send you spec prior to buying
asciilifeform: this is indep. of cpu/ram, so long as box meets minimum spec (2GB)
mp_en_viaje: and the author, who traded his work in for this exact usage (and, i'm pretty convinced, made it exactly to this spec in the first place), is "successful writer" -- the part that's a writer not successful and the part that's successful, not a writer.
asciilifeform: at this point (where i have pinout, approx description of the internal movements, timings, leaked instruction set spec , a working machine to probe ) i dun expect to find much in the way of useful clue in old talk by designer
asciilifeform: amberglint: was given not only pinout, but timing, addressing, etc. spec, theoretically could bring up the chip and boot something.
asciilifeform: (originally question was how to get pinout spec)
asciilifeform: in particular interesting detail , being that 'capacitance meter' may still show in-spec value for dead unit (which perished in such a way that only ~impedance~ has increased)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 23:09 asciilifeform: incidentally, even a very brief look at the 1801 item confirms the troof of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896836 -- thing defo aint a 'and here is where the ameri-crystal does x' , it's a quite 'fits-in-head' object , very evidently produced from page-long spec of the orig instruction set
asciilifeform: the spec for opteron is still on the shelf, it is smaller
asciilifeform: somewhere i had paper spec (nominally!) for just css. it weighed moar than ada spec .
mp_en_viaje: anyway -- in fairness the "space is magic char" thing very much comes from html spec itself.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910995 << no. The proposed spec results in a linear chain, the tip of which is the only place where the next vpatch could go without a schism/civil war. On your own computer you can press wherever you want in the chain (or have private branches w/e), but in public you can only release further vpaches based on the same tip of the chain that everyone has. this is defacto consensus. ☝︎
diana_coman: re run: does this mean that currently this is the de-facto "pizarro-iron amd" preferred spec ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ok; can you point me please to spec of the machine as I don't fully have it in-head?
asciilifeform: sorta why some folx have taken to mounting'em ~externally~ (pcie spec allows for long snake)
asciilifeform: incidentally, even a very brief look at the 1801 item confirms the troof of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896836 -- thing defo aint a 'and here is where the ameri-crystal does x' , it's a quite 'fits-in-head' object , very evidently produced from page-long spec of the orig instruction set ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-01 14:08 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform nao has what appears to be full pinout, timing, bus sequence, register, init magic, interrupts, etc. spec for bolix 'ivory' (won't, presently, say from where, unless source wants to be cited, plox to write in. )
asciilifeform believer in 'proggy may not be the spec' dictum. in the arithmetic chs, however, there is no spec beyond e.g. 'multiply these two numbers in constant spacetime', which has simple unambiguous meaning.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right. ( and in the peh-related later ch.s, the text is actually the 'official' spec , and not the proggy )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-17 18:33 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in february, chinese 'gowin semiconductor co' cloned ice40. but if anyone thought this means 'open spec', guess again, only worx with their 'YunYuan' closed shitware toolchain.
asciilifeform: ( it will not only occupy the ~entire matrix, even if you somehow get it to fit; but also won't meet timing spec, even at pretty modest clock )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in february, chinese 'gowin semiconductor co' cloned ice40. but if anyone thought this means 'open spec', guess again, only worx with their 'YunYuan' closed shitware toolchain. ☟︎
asciilifeform: PeterL: fughet even the logic gates. where's the proggy that'll draw e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2875#selection-1129.0-1343.1 using strictly spec of the relative sizes of the items, and put the captions where they belong ? without WHOLE DAY of hand-fidgeting the coords to only then find that www browser turns it into soup when the moon is in the wrong phase.
PeterL: <+asciilifeform> 0 in usa meet spec, unless i suppose you go to the mountains << I dunno about that, there are plenty of clean air parks around where I live
asciilifeform: 0 in usa meet spec, unless i suppose you go to the mountains
asciilifeform: http://docs.cntd.ru/document/gost-280-2009 << oblig. gost spec for sprat.
BingoBoingo: Well, don't recruit in engineering. I never spec'd that. Go for nutrition, early childhood education, etc.
mp_en_viaje: 1um process means you get ... /me goes to look it up.... http://www.cmcdisc.com/cr_spec.htm <<< 120 mm outer diam, so like pi r ^ 2 0.044 sqm, 4.4e10 nodes.
asciilifeform: whole spec fit on half of a4 page.
asciilifeform: apparently this is why http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-28#1890392 and why the item next to it is an iron (mil spec..) multi-tap delayline ☝︎
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform nao has what appears to be full pinout, timing, bus sequence, register, init magic, interrupts, etc. spec for bolix 'ivory' (won't, presently, say from where, unless source wants to be cited, plox to write in. ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can live with telling people "raise your stack limit for your file is large" ; i have a lot more trouble sleeping at night if i tell people "raise your stack limit for some idiots made a broken spec we did not fix."
mircea_popescu: making sure this latter case never happens requires a little bit of needlework. the original implementations tried to keep close to the original spec, for basically naive and unexamined http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883944 reasons. as it turns out, this was the wrong cut. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 10:01 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in short, the keccak spec in its current form really since it considers input at bit-level and then goes on to mess about with some assumptions at bit-level and some at octet-level and making a lot of confusion without any good reason e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/#selection-55.383-63.563 ; one needs to disentangle that and put it in octet-only shape, octet stre
a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 10:01 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in short, the keccak spec in its current form really since it considers input at bit-level and then goes on to mess about with some assumptions at bit-level and some at octet-level and making a lot of confusion without any good reason e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/#selection-55.383-63.563 ; one needs to disentangle that and put it in octet-only shape, octet stre
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in short, the keccak spec in its current form really since it considers input at bit-level and then goes on to mess about with some assumptions at bit-level and some at octet-level and making a lot of confusion without any good reason e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/#selection-55.383-63.563 ; one needs to disentangle that and put it in octet-only shape, octet stre ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: the star of the http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=55 vivisections still runs to spec << market communication still pretty fucking terrible.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you ( & customers... ) may find it interesting, that even tho fg was not specifically built for radiation-hardness, the star of the http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=55 vivisections still runs to spec
BingoBoingo: Forgot to spec socketed RAM. I haven't even seen socketed chip teases
mircea_popescu: "He said that they have also contacted the GNU Arch maintainer about adding GPG signing. Though it may take some time to develop, the addition of GPG signing to commits would be a welcome feature. " << see, because we http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775402 over his failure to bring gribble up to spec. ☝︎
Mocky: so not optimal, maybe even laughable, but yet has a model and as spec that is not self contradictory
Mocky: there are explicit and implicit semantics, but if you read the spec, you know what you'll get. multiple threads setting a value on the same variable never create garbage
BingoBoingo: On the other hand there is also the case where, when the datacenter is ready to be paid again, a flurry of undersized payments is likely to lead them to WTF. Further the local liquidity hits a bigger buy/sell spread with the volume the datacenter's monthly requirements demand (And then there are the consequences if third party fails to pay the datacenter to spec).
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the spec is as described, with t2400, 31 W.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know, neural net, the thing that classifies pig as 'porn' etc. i'm even willing to believe that the chip worx to spec. not magic by any means, 1970s tech sitting on modern ic
asciilifeform looked at erry available rk board on market in last coupla hrs, they are all either of substantially inferior spec, or cost no less than 3x moar per
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but yes, i guess if you put it out there i have no choice but to spell it out : of ~fucking course~ the carpenter "sticks his file in there". it's a sales gimmick, like the new york electrician pointing out to people they gotta pay him a billion to "bring the buildingto spec" because "otherwise he has to report them" because "otherwise he loses his own license". because we're supposed to not notice the whole mob-e
asciilifeform: they show no signs of molestation, not only work to spec but rom untouched.
asciilifeform: i'm carrying out mircea_popescu's orig spec, where 'i want a peh key with my rsa modulus that i carved on the mountain' or how it went.
asciilifeform: so , my spec was 'all operators do The Right Thing arithmetically, and program stops if you demand div0' , like yer cpu does.
mircea_popescu: all our factors are 2048 bits per spec.
asciilifeform: ( in orig timeline also did not include problem of constant-time keccak, which i presently do not have, and neither anyone else, but is necessary to fill mircea_popescu's spec for the final product )
asciilifeform: ( i thought orig mircea_popescu spec was 'keep rsa packets in own queue, so clearly cap the resource that is spent on'em'
mircea_popescu: and this is a fundamental assumption baked into the udp spec etc.
mircea_popescu: so, i hear from cto the comms spec's mostly implemented. now, we're at the point where we wanna make a rsa and a serpent sender.
mircea_popescu: honestly, the engine needs a rewrite anyway. and the rewrite needs our svg/html spec. and so following.
asciilifeform: far as asciilifeform goes, if it dun have a carriage gate built to 18th c spec, it's favela
asciilifeform: phf: fwiw i bought 5 types of sprat in ro, and only 1 was up to spec, and even that -- barely
mircea_popescu: main problem of historical / archeological work is to discern the coincidence from the item. (is this spec of dust or is it portion of priceless artefact ???)
danielpbarron: it's his spec
danielpbarron: the poker bot spec includes seeds from each individual player. would that make it ok, or still bad?
mircea_popescu: but i mean... you don't even have the spec against which to check this "works" ?
asciilifeform: ^ is where i got also only known spec re microcode, '1200 word x 180bit rom'
asciilifeform: https://github.com/project-everest/hacl-star/blob/master/code/bignum/Hacl.Spec.Bignum.Fproduct.fst << holy fuq, the sort of liquishit that d00d's links offered as proofolade... picture trying to ~read~ this. ( and there's 9000 of'em )
phf: i was very much insulated from open sores lisp with acl, just sort of assumed that they were all basically the same. turns out that common lisp world is a cargo cult. for when spec was never supposed to be and all be all: it was a _thin_ common ground of a variety of rich lisp ecosystem. writing _just_ to spec is an exercise in frustration..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda the point of the design/spec yeah. BingoBoingo heh.
billymg: yeah, and not surprising considering they update the "spec" every coupla months
a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 21:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871787 << afaik his lisptron works to spec, and ~only exists~ because everyone harped poetic about how great lisp "would be", only to predictably return to more brackish "we use python" once someone actually made something that'd need such a wonder as the inexistent lisp machine.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871787 << afaik his lisptron works to spec, and ~only exists~ because everyone harped poetic about how great lisp "would be", only to predictably return to more brackish "we use python" once someone actually made something that'd need such a wonder as the inexistent lisp machine. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but he installed me a deluge on his cuntoo on my server to spec and a job very well done indeed.
mircea_popescu: this is actually a pretty good spec for a... well basically a "compiler for web" as opposed to "compiler for machine"
asciilifeform: will note, tho, re fg timeouts -- the most likely waiting-on-fg scenario is starvation, rather than outright hangage , thing shits out 7kB/s per spec, 8 on a good day; i expect it will be the limiting reactant re how many rsa msgs / sec can be produced
mircea_popescu: note that eg the eulora spec (low value item anyway) has MANY keys.
asciilifeform: and yea, makes sense, $spec is for ~client~, deliberately does not detail how spam control, i presume it's an in-house matter.
asciilifeform: ( it is not currently obvious to me from the spec that this is not a legal op )
asciilifeform: ethernet spec. blame xerox , not asciilifeform
asciilifeform: rright, i did read mircea_popescu's spec
BingoBoingo: Produce product to spec within insaneland limits
mircea_popescu: note that it's not even illegal to blank the manifest or w/e. impolite, yes, but the spec allows.
mircea_popescu: iirc other than new voice model, a "flush addy" was also in deedbot upgrade spec.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792105 << closest i found to spec for mircea_popescu's algo . ☝︎
asciilifeform: this is dangerous, really oughta have spec, it's what sets us apart from teh apes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever post a eulora-style full spec for the thing btw ?
mircea_popescu: well now i'm reading through all dis, what can do. phf's four months at work resulted in same many months of rot, now we don't recall the spec, log is long, life is short, so on an' so forth.
asciilifeform: but afaik this did not make it to the spec table
diana_coman: as one might tell, I'm looking into using CRC in smg.comms as per latest spec
asciilifeform: or did the spec miss mentioning that it's keccak(userkey + serversecret) -> 32bits id
asciilifeform: afaik it was just short of perfect for this spec.
mircea_popescu: SPEC HAS EVOLVED MEANWHILE!