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chetty: fifty lines of code or less// so why even bother with a computer, just do it all in your head
mircea_popescu: "everything that runs on this machine is fifty lines of code or less. one display page."
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 01:59:06; *: BingoBoingo thinks whole problem is that 'patch' demands line numbers instead of using nearby lines of code as landmarks
BingoBoingo thinks whole problem is that 'patch' demands line numbers instead of using nearby lines of code as landmarks ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "My VLSI tools take a chip from conception through testing. Perhaps 500 lines of source code. Cadence, Mentor Graphics do the same, more or less. With how much source/object code?"
assbot: ONE MILLION new lines of code hit Linux Kernel • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuwCe2 )
trinque: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/06/one_million_new_lines_of_code_hit_linux_kernel/ << this shit makes me so damned uncomfortable
gabriel_laddel: This is my experience. The C++/.NET code for the device I was communicating with today - 250 lines of code to do what my single line does.
mircea_popescu: five billion lines of proprietary code in an unknown language that nobody has ever seen.
ascii_field: realize, i don't have a better solution than ntp. but it has to be done sanely (no dns; builds under musl or uclibc; doesn't introduce more than a few dozen lines of code; and picks from $bigint ip on powerup; and sanity-checked from blockchain )
pete_dushenski: "Most of those new lines of code come from “the new amd gpu register description header”, code that Torvalds says comprises “41 per cent of the entire patch” and has created a “... somewhat odd situation where a single driver is about half of the whole rc1 in number of lines.”"
pete_dushenski: "ONE MILLION new lines of code hit Linux Kernel 4.2 rc1"
asciilifeform: i see the 'generate change addr' as a boobytrap for the unwary (and extra lines of code) with no rational justification for continued existence
mircea_popescu: my mental notes were more on the lines of "o look, it's clear that the author understands what his code does" and "o look, there's actually a reason for this stuff to be here"
decimation: I'm not sure if they also submitted the deps, but bitcoin weighs in at 16 million lines of code
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> no fucking way am i adding 50 lines of code to deal with chrome's speshul. << WELCOME, BROTHER
mircea_popescu: no fucking way am i adding 50 lines of code to deal with chrome's speshul.
asciilifeform: it'd have some appeal if the net result was something like 1) 100x fewer lines of code 2) written by wot man in good standing
dhill: golang reports which lines of code were never hit in test coverage.
mircea_popescu: it was going to be a signed version of 448 lines of code
mircea_popescu: dignork the only way you would be allowed to write code, in a world where "hey, if infrastructure changes code needs to change" is with index lists of "all lines affected by X - here" "all lines affected by Y - here"
ben_vulpes: "Dear God, please don't use Pond for anything real yet. I've hammered out nearly 20K lines of code that have never been reviewed. Unless you're looking to experiment you should go use something that actually works."
asciilifeform: (there's a few lines of code from that one in here)
asciilifeform: code, but today I am less interested in how foolish a unit it is from even a pure business point of view. My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger.'
asciilifeform: 'The practice is pervaded by the reassuring illusion that programs are just devices like any others, the only difference admitted being that their manufacture might require a new type of craftsmen, viz. programmers. From there it is only a small step to measuring "programmer productivity" in terms of "number of lines of code produced per month". This is a very costly measuring unit because it encourages the writing of insipid
mircea_popescu: "oh i have 50 btc in a wallet somewhere, i contributed 5000 lines of code to bitcoin core that will have to be taken out later at considerable expense and i go to all th conferences if some scammer is paying the airfare (coach)"
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2014 11:54:21; mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter.
mats: "Sometimes... I look out the window and think... We're one cyberwar away from falling over. This can all be undone by a few lines of code. And maybe it will. Maybe then we will repent. For the arrogance that we could live so tall, with so little thought to what supports beneath."
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2014 11:54:21; mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter.
fluffypony: 2206 actual lines of code
fluffypony: the ecp functions and the ecp curves are ~3400 lines of code
asciilifeform: 'There’s no logical reason to use a kernel-level keylogger says Raiu since it’s so easy to write key loggers that hook the Windows API using about four lines of code. “But these guys prefer to do a kernel-level keylogger, which is about 300 kilobytes in size—the driver for the key logger—which is pretty crazy and very unusual.' << imbeciles
decimation: yeah it is annoying how you must put 50 lines of pro-forma crap before you actually code
ben_vulpes: mod6 is perusing the tens of thousands of lines of excised code
decimation: running gentoo certainly gives you a motvation to scale down the lines of code in your system
asciilifeform: as a student, i was once told by a greybeard: 'you're young, but know that you have X lines of code in you. after that - log cabin.' ☟︎
decimation: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 19,899
decimation: the other day I was testing a pile of python code that was driving hardware, and I wanted to just skip X lines
decimation: I like the templeos guy, he has a fixed number of lines of code for his project, and wants to make it smaller
artifexd: <mircea_popescu> how the fuck it is code never shrinks ? << Code does shrink sometimes. But not due to concentration on features or bugs. If it happens, it happens because the developer grows and improves. One of my favorite days was deleting 60k lines of code that I had written and replacing it with 100 lines. Simpler. Faster. Easier to understand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what next? pay people by lines of code? << i've actually done that. "you get paid 1000 - code count"
asciilifeform: what next? pay people by lines of code?
mircea_popescu: then derps derp about 50mn lines of code. seriously, bitch ? that's your caching ?
asciilifeform: there's no need to write 50 mn lines of code. for anything. <<<<<
mod6: and you're right, 50m lines of code? that does what!!?
mircea_popescu: god himself uses fewer than 50mn lines of code
mircea_popescu: seriously, 50mn lines of code ? there's no need to write 50 mn lines of code. for anything.
mircea_popescu: We have 50 million lines of C++ code. No, it's more than that now. I don't know what it is anymore. It was 50 million last Christmas, nine months ago, and was expanding at 8 million lines a quarter. The expansion rate was increasing as well. Ouch."
mircea_popescu: "The biggest thing you can write in C++ is... also an operating system. Well, maybe a little bigger. Let's say three times bigger. Or even ten times. But operating system kernels are at most, what, maybe a million lines of code? So I'd argue the biggest system you can reasonably write in C++ is maybe 10 million lines, and then it starts to break down and become this emergent thing that you have no hope of controlling,
mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter. ☟︎☟︎
penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/15_there-are-127-million-lines-of-code-in-mysql.html
ben_vulpes: punkman: 1377 lines of code, 2103 lines of tests
pete_dushenski: remove the extra spaces between the lines of code
dignork: ben_vulpes: well, his proper answer would be: here is x-lines of python code, that will overwrite privkey with 0's in your wallet, now load it as read-only
assbot: agenaille comments on Million Lines of Code
BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/265yns/million_lines_of_code/cho3xhz
benkay: cost for maintenance of legacy systems starts at 2x the greenfield rate with another factor proportionate to the number of lines of code, another proportionate to number of servers involved, and a third proportionate to how deep the clients pockets are.
bounce: what was that kid again that distributed a bit of crappy code with a makefile containing a few lines of irc log that "everybody" just copies and pastes the rules, atop a list of rules that miraculously work some of the time altough most of them were written the wrong way around?
kanzure: i smoke lines of code?
decimation: ?The reports [from the contractor] just asserted that they had written X lines of code. .?.?. For an executive, that?s just invisible; you don?t know what it means,? said Curtis Smith, who oversaw retirement processing from 1989 to 1994. He was a longtime federal employee with a PhD in English literature, supervising a massive technology project. ?I had no idea [if] they were making progress from month to month. And I just sort of took it on
ninjashogun: Perlboy - you say that, but the 'shit' skils that let them 'float' are vitally important to the companies they're at. They do more for the mission than most lines of code that are written at most organizations.
decimation: what's wrong with commenting out lines of code? they are crumbs for students
mircea_popescu: "Does Deutsche Bank use php? Does HSBC use fucking MYSQL??? Do any of those banks comment out lines in production code for debugging?!?!?!?"
kakobrekla: after a year of simplicifying i ended up with 5k+ lines of code in 3 seperate processes
mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i read of lisp it is very productive and should be easy if you know what you're doing so like 500 lines of code.
mircea_popescu: it's a concept from text analysis, roughly equivalent to "the length in lines of the code that can parse this"
mircea_popescu: at this rate i'll just end up hung in a rats nest of cables and lines of code.
mircea_popescu: a bot is what, two lines of code away
nospinzy: can you give a little explanation, im not able to read 200 lines of code and understand exactly what i need to do
kakobrekla: a few lines of code
EskimoBob: he probably wrote 33000 lines of code to get the alert
kakobrekla: >but the most common definition of physical SLOC is a count of lines in the text of the program's source code including comment lines. Blank lines are also included unless the lines of code in a section consists of more than 25% blank lines. In this case blank lines in excess of 25% are not counted toward lines of code.
mircea_popescu: who the hell is proud of having written MANY lines of code ?
jurov: lines of code
copumpkin: I have thousands of lines of code of agda