lurker: ATM, bitcoin survives on geek greediness and criminals.
lurker: They don't want centralization.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 195 @ 0.005 = 0.975 BTC [-]
lurker: If the winkelvoss types start "attacking" the bitcoin market, it will have the effect of a middlecoin on the latest scamcoin.
mircea_popescu: i think you're jumping to conclusions on very little data, and the shape of those conclusions is visibly more influenced by your own ideas of the world than the actual reality of the matter
lurker: you might be right, but it's gut feeling.
lurker: that's the kind of thing you "just know" but you can't put it into works (2 different parts of the brain)
lurker: (and it's late - I'm not particularly articulate at this hour)
lurker: anyway, the centralization/decentralizatio n"issue" in bitcoin always struck me as ironic.
lurker: the fact that there is a "51%" problem at all for a system based on trust/demand/decentralization
lurker: that means the weakness of bitcoin IS centralization
lurker: when you have centralization, you lose trust and without it you lose demand and value.
mircea_popescu: the system is not based on "trust/demand/decentralization". the system is based on the blockchain because it has to use some solution for the byzantyne problem once it's decentralised.
mircea_popescu: the 51% attack is a weakness of the particular solution used to implement decentralisation.
lurker: decentralization/trust/demand
mircea_popescu: those things are by and large irrelevant in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: looky here. you decide to make a system. next step, is to decide whether it shall be centralised or decentralised.
lurker: are we talking markets or technology?
mircea_popescu: if you take the former, you can asume the implementation is friendly.
mircea_popescu: if you take the latter, you can't so asume. the implementation has to be somehow forced to stick to the design
mircea_popescu: the particular way bitcoin forces this is through the blockchain.
lurker: back to my earlier questions: are you discussing technology or market (money)?
mircea_popescu: this distinction doesn't work in bitcoin as you'd expect.
lurker: you're right, and wrong.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a very simple example to understand what i mean : suppose the law says nobody may search your house without a warrant.
mircea_popescu: what makes the actual cop at your door (implementation) follow this principle (design) ?
mircea_popescu: in a centralised system, the assumption is that the implementation is friendly to the design, and the cop will do what the fuck the law says he should do.
lurker: I'm crystal on your meaning, no sweat.
mircea_popescu: as the implementation becomes less centralised (for instance through the workings of democracy, and lawmakers pushing agendas etc),
lurker: It comes down to the same thing: can you be sure that system is doing what you expect it to? (= do you trust the system)
mircea_popescu: yes, it does. being happy always boils down to 1. identify what to do to be happy and 2. doing that.
lurker: Trust is what the blockcahin builds.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.31500016 BTC [-]
lurker: Many miners (many copies of the blockchain) builds trust in the blockchain itself.
lurker: or quanta, à la gold value.
lurker: Then comes demand for the quanta and that creates value.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, demand does not create value. value creates demand.
mircea_popescu: this is why the qe does not improve the position of the us.
lurker: asciilifeform: I'm not looking at it from the technology standpoint.
lurker: mircea_popescu: chicken or egg?
lurker: you can't have value before you have demand.
mircea_popescu: in a sense, the tech creates the ontological limits of the discourse. this is not visible as much in "classical" applications, because somehow it's obvious that your particular abilities to deal with weak nuclear force are involved.
mircea_popescu: but in more advanced applications, there's little way to distinguish between "tech" and "the rules of the world"
lurker: OK, so what, for you, creates the value of bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: the fact that it gives better answers to several classes of problems
ozbot: Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
VanCleef: bitcoin is a new global scam tho
lurker: mircea_popescu: I don't see anything that would put value before demand.
mircea_popescu: VanCleef you're not even kidding, i get a lot of (mostly, older, mostly white, mostly male, republican types) very indignant at how they knoiw btc to be a scam
mircea_popescu: and they had a pretty good solution for the byzantine generals, rtoo.
VanCleef: looking at what happening to mining
dexX7: hey asciilifeform, do you have a blog or something similar, too? it's not the first time i see you posting something interesting
VanCleef: taking satoshi to court over this
VanCleef: what do buses have to do with scamming people out of money?
VanCleef: catching a bus isn't involving yourself with a pyramid scheme
lurker: asciilifeform/mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a bus. do you care what engine it has? (on this, night night / arrevedere)
VanCleef: say you spent 100grand on a bus ticket right and instead of the bus driver picking you up he crashes into your living room and starts raping your grandmother
skinnkavaj: Anyone here remember what price Litecoinglobal shares was at launch?
mircea_popescu: perhaps a surprise in degree, but certainly not in kind
dexX7: he was the admin there the whole time
Kleeck_: I was told that the site was coming back into operation?
dexX7: ah, i think you mistake it with www.litecoininvest.com?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00501 = 0.1152 BTC [+]
samson_: oops - sorry - wrong channel
mircea_popescu: “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
KRS1: my god people you have google and you still get it wrong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 133 @ 0.00534938 = 0.7115 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.59999 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: from the next zine we're publishing
nubbins`: his face makes me feel funny :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 250 @ 0.00045003 = 0.1125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00534938 = 1.0699 BTC [-] {4}
ozbot: The perfect escrow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00535 = 0.3157 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00511 = 0.138 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2000 @ 0.00500135 = 10.0027 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 868 @ 0.005 = 4.34 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00511 = 0.2453 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0050539 = 0.5054 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00503001 = 0.498 BTC [-]
skinnkavaj: So tonight Gavin Andresen made changes to Litecoin source code
skinnkavaj: And you think LTC is uselesss? You are useless for thinking that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.0052 = 0.312 BTC [+]
jurov: bitcoin every day, litecoin every night. cool!
VanCleef: litecoin a new scam by satoshi
jurov: at least they are classy. unlike xrrrrrp
pankkake: skinnkavaj: *I* made changes to the litecoin source code. are you flabbergasted yet?
pankkake: skinnkavaj: could you point out the commits? I have a feeling you don't know how git works
pankkake: however it's interesting to node that wtogami contributes a lot to bitcoin
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 207.48043, Best ask: 208.28998, Bid-ask spread: 0.80955, Last trade: 208.28998, 24 hour volume: 5828.45863154, 24 hour low: 204.02000, 24 hour high: 209.79000, 24 hour vwap: 206.99371
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00272953 = 1.3648 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00272999 = 0.6825 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 770 @ 0.00273876 = 2.1088 BTC [+] {3}
bitesak: so it seems ltc hasn't reached the bottom yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1590 @ 0.0027877 = 4.4324 BTC [+]
KRS1: It will reach the bottom when you click this
ozbot: Norwegian student Kristoffer Koch buys $27 in bitcoin in 2009, now he owns an apartment |
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
kakobrekla: is short "Look bitch, its 200 now, shut the fuck up from now on."
kakobrekla: plus 500 tells me, most popular forex pairs last 3 days: first EURUSD, second BITCOIN/USD, third EUR/JPY
bitesak: popular in terms of word of mouth or something, obviously not volume.. yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 15 @ 0.00779987 = 0.117 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: anyway not sure what their contract says
kleeck: What a beautiful mess.
kleeck: I logged on just to see what all the fuss is about. Yup. Worst $1B Website ever.
kleeck: Hardly anyone can get through to SEE a quote.
kleeck: You have to fill out pages on pages of household info - think doing your taxes just to see if the USG can do anything for you.
kleeck: I'm sure I won't qualify for anything better than my work provides, but I wanted to check it.
kleeck: I couldn't even get past the household information section. It just locked up.
kleeck: Maybe I can SQL inject my info...
kleeck: I decided to chat with one of ther operators. A feature that actually worked.
kleeck: To see if there was a solution to getting through the fucking form.
kleeck: How is it that $600M doesn't at LEAST get me through the form section.
kleeck: I mean. I'm filling in fields on a form...
kleeck: [08:10:46 am]: Marissa
kleeck: Even though we can provide you with information about the Marketplace, we cannot give our opinions or advice about your health care options. We can provide you with the facts and help you understand your choices. If you need additional support, you can reach out to the consumer assistance programs within your state
kleeck: Fair enough, Marissa. I know you didn't build this magnificent beast.
kleeck: Poor call center people...
kleeck: I guess I'll just have to check back when the US Gov learns how to build a proper website.
kleeck: [08:06:47 am]: Marissa
kleeck: Unfortunately the website will not let you go any further due to the technical issue. You can call the Marketplace and they can pick up your app where you left off if you would like.
kleeck: This whole internet thing is pretty new, so I'll cut them some slack.
kleeck: [08:07:08 am]: Marissa
kleeck: Thank you for being so patient,
kleeck: It was a chat session.
kakobrekla: i guess noone properly tested the shit
kleeck: The site was $600,000 before what they're calling "The Tech Surge" - meaning they hired even more incompetent people to work for time and half or double time.
kleeck: They imposed their own deadline on applications, then realized their site doesn't work to GET the applications.
kleeck: But you can fill out a paper form and mail it in...
kakobrekla: it just wouldnt look as good with only 60k on the bill.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 0.06010002 = 0.5409 BTC [-]
kleeck: In my experience with systems architecture, having MORE people working on isolating the problem doesn't make anything better.
kleeck: If anything, for me, it has slowed down processes .
ThickAsThieves: People act like they never had to deal with a broken website before
ThickAsThieves: or that a new national healthcare website having problems is a travesty
ThickAsThieves: it was probly some Tea Party web devs that sabotaged it anyway
ThickAsThieves: people need to just calm down and "get off the forums"
bitesak: It seems more of a symptom than the real problem
bitesak: the real problem is that there is no problem
bidji: it's currently only for the existing holder, but it will open to the public in ~64hours
bitesak: where does the 4 million figure come from?
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, guess ScamFactor is pretty high
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Not a ponzi. It's legit. But still a high price.
skinnkavaj: The interest is made from all trading fees.
bitesak: it smells like and until proven otherwise, it shall or should be treated as such
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: How can you even throw a word like ponzi
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: yes, but it's from the trading fees only
ThickAsThieves: do they or do they not have services that pay you to simply hold money there?
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Seriously shut the fuck up.
bitesak: and only trading fees, not the balance !
skinnkavaj: Don't open your mouth and throw words like poni without knowing anthing.
pankkake: mcxnow is a pony exchange? now I want in
skinnkavaj: Everything that is not understood is ponzi
dexX7: "dividends" are paid out with trading fees for "fee shares", trading "fee shares" generates fees
skinnkavaj: Reminsd me of when trying to explain bitcoin
skinnkavaj: I think all exchanges should take over after mcxNOW model
ThickAsThieves: "Join the investment class today and start the wealth creation process!" is their main headline
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Yeah. But not a ponzi sceheme. Seriously don't use that word.
skinnkavaj: It makes you classified retarded in public if you do.
pankkake: even a broken clock is right twice a day
Apocalyptic: <skinnkavaj> But you went full retrd // you're telling that to TAT, rofl
skinnkavaj: Apocalyptic: Like TAT is some holy god. I have much respect for TAT. But almost lost it now when he throw a word like ponzi, without any resarch.
pankkake: it's just after btc-e in volume according to cryptocoincharts, though
ThickAsThieves: stinkavag, when i say ponzi, all i mean is that they are not making as much profit as are gicing out
ThickAsThieves: and if people still believe after this, maybe theyll milk some more
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Seriously, google ponzi sceheme. I think you and many else need to learn what it means.
VanCleef: this is like the asicminer scam all over again this mcxnow
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: If you think about it, it's genius and have very good reason to be legit. By giving out 25% of all profit generated, they draw attention from users and from investors. And they are more likely to trade there. I am not affilaited with the site, but I saw it's potential early.
skinnkavaj: It's a really good exchange, you cannot take away that.
dexX7: and divs are paid usign the deposits << afaik by trading fees, not deposits - deposits receive a fraction of the fees though
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: You know all exchanges have trading fees?
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: it's not a fixed interest. it's a part of the trading fees
skinnkavaj: They also have in their trollbox, something called payed bans. You can pay and ban anyone you want from typing in chat.
pankkake: paid bans are indeed a good feature
ThickAsThieves: you know you are at a pro site when you have to pay to get rid of the vagrants
pankkake: I'd make myself banned all the time by trolling and be rich (well, if I was getting the fees)
skinnkavaj: I think we need to change definition of ponzi, it's thrown out every time when something is not understood. Even by respected people in the community like ThickAsThieves. Can anyone update wiki page?
Apocalyptic: pankkake, i'm sure you would be great at it
Apocalyptic: mircea really needs to update his post about skinnkavaj
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Nothing. It's overpriced.
nubbins`: i thought skinnkavaj was just a random word generator with a bias towards "ltc"
☟︎ skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Do you remember Litecoinglobal IPO?
bidji: Interest are not paid using the deposit of newcomer It's paid using 25% of all the fee generated by the exchange. When the total BTC depositwnet from 1000BTc to 10000BTc, the interest shrinked
ThickAsThieves: so you have reports of all money paid out versus all income?
dexX7: 100000 fee shares in total, 5000 issued, 45000 up for sale now
nubbins`: <kleeck>The site was $600,000 before what they're calling "The Tech Surge" - meaning they hired even more incompetent people to work for time and half or double time.
nubbins`: yeah. because adding more resources solves the problem quicker
nubbins`: while i've never read "the mythical man-month", i'm told it addresses this very problem
Jere_Jones: "Nine women can't make a baby in one month"
dexX7: issued was maybe the wrong word.. 5000 are traded, all 100k received "dividends" afaiak
ThickAsThieves: i only glanced, but i dont see trade fee income on these sheets
kleeck: <kleeck> In my experience with systems architecture, having MORE people working on isolating the problem doesn't make anything better.
kleeck: <kleeck> If anything, for me, it has slowed down processes .
nubbins`: if 10 people can eat a pizza in 10 minutes, then surely 100 people can eat the same pizza in 1 minute, right?
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Maybe because it's ponzi
nubbins`: only wait, some asshole has to cut a pizza into 100 pieces
nubbins`: which takes a half hour and ruins the pizza
nubbins`: food analogies resonate with people
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: once it's cut, yes
pankkake: adding to the lulz, the owner is an altcoin developer!
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Good job with Neobee though
nubbins`: that sounds more like an episode of the walking dead
skinnkavaj: Bitcoin = ponzi scehem created by Satoshi Nakamoto
ThickAsThieves: basically use everyone's greed and nerdiness to adopt it,
nubbins`: sounds like you're describing gold
ThickAsThieves: meanwhile the forum is up in arms because Friedcat may or may not have told a chinese girl things everyone knew already
nubbins`: that bitcoin atm is really making waves here in canada
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00531666 = 0.319 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0052 = 0.13 BTC [-]
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 248 @ 0.00110996 = 0.2753 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00502067 = 0.1506 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5611 = 2.8055 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: y'know, i'm kind of surprised havelock is still allowing US customers
kleeck: I do love Puppet though. He's the guy running around the party telling everyone who is smoking that they're damaging their lungs, and everyone that is drinking underage or doing illicit drugs that they're breaking the law.
lewicki: that thread is sooo friggin long haaha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.399 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 8080 @ 0.00010119 = 0.8176 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.31500016 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i don't think mpex gives a particular fuck about US regulations
skinnkavaj: I would like to fuck MPOE-PR and never touch her again
nubbins`: granted, i can't recall a romanian national ever being extradited to america to face charges for something they did while in romania, so there doesn't appear to by any particular need to give a fuck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+]
nubbins`: implication is that he usually gets to touch women again after having sex with them
kleeck: implying that he has sex with women.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.31500016 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}
kleeck: "cheapest bitch on the block, man. Demands day old KFC. Eats the bones and all. Wild-ass mutt."
nubbins`: any of you guys watch trailer park boys?
KRS-: young moola BAYBAYY
KRS-: kleeck: puppet as in puppet labs?
Apocalyptic: <bidji> objectively, 10% yield is pretty good. But i think the future growth can be really good, because the owner will add gaming/gambling on the site
Apocalyptic: so it will be an exchange + gambling site in one ?
bidji: because all the security stuff is already done + a lot of money deposited, it's a lot easier to do gambling succesfully
bidji: That's why i think 0.4BTC/share is a very good deal. The potential of growth is huge
ozbot: mcxNOW - Buy mcxFEE
skinnkavaj: Personally I am waiting until next week when it's going to be 0.2BTC/share
skinnkavaj: It's going to get dumped even if it does sell out, which I doubt.
bidji: i doubt it will go this low. Maybe 0.35, but not sure
bidji: Good return are already here
Apocalyptic: he's a visionary, like the Steeve Jobs of bitcoin
kleeck: Oh god. can we never say that again, please?
bidji: Not really, Steve Jobs was very good at PR not in tech. and dev.
KRS-: hehe yea with that comes fans and haters alike
bidji: RealSolid (owner of mcxNOW) is an utterly disaster PR wise
bidji: But very good at develloping
bidji: Yeah i try ;) I can't be worse than him for sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 307 @ 0.00072849 = 0.2236 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 990 @ 0.00110998 = 1.0989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00531998 = 1.064 BTC [+] {2}
kleeck: WOw. Today is full of governmental fail...
kleeck: Now it's State Gov, though. The Fed is off the hook. FOR NOW.
ozbot: Story from leaked sex report also in DVD sent to schools - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
jurov: wait wat, mcxnow is owned by solidcoin/microcrash creator?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00278769 = 0.1143 BTC [+]
jurov: then i dont need to know anything more
ozbot: Sesso metro B a Roma: la foto fa il giro dei socialnetwork
jurov: proud to be yurpn :DDD
jurov: "Butterfly Labs can now ship this merchandise with confidence that there will be no reversibility or chargeback of the payment, which is a significant risk when accepting credit cards online or PayPal,” said Gallippi.
ThickAsThieves: "customers cant get their money back now, even if we should give it to them"
dexX7: that's not even 120 th
ThickAsThieves: headline on cnn.com "What did Obama know, and when did he find out?"
skinnkavaj: It makes me sad that rich investors is wasting their money on BFL.
KRS-: I wasted my money on BFL and made a few bucks =/
nubbins`: "i'm sad that rich people are losing money"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 33 @ 0.06010015 = 1.9833 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00539999 = 0.4212 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0054 = 0.1188 BTC [+] {2}
KRS-: why would the feds order $1MM worth of mining equipment? seems odd
ozbot: How I compiled TrueCrypt 7.1a for Win32 and matched the official binaries
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00546786 = 2.7339 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.0055 = 2.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.0055 = 0.2255 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.33979998 = 0.6796 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 3500 @ 0.00110998 = 3.8849 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 835 @ 0.0051 = 4.2585 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 313 @ 0.00278769 = 0.8725 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 250 @ 0.00110998 = 0.2775 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 266722 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 1405 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 465946262.015 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.18955
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 212.63005, Best ask: 212.88000, Bid-ask spread: 0.24995, Last trade: 212.89000, 24 hour volume: 9574.47438301, 24 hour low: 204.02000, 24 hour high: 214.76999, 24 hour vwap: 208.79044
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00549797 = 0.3024 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00278769 = 1.1151 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00278769 = 0.1394 BTC [+]
dexX7: ah nvm, this is something old
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+] {2}
kleeck: why are people buying AM?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534997 = 0.535 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534996 = 0.535 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19443 @ 0.00017998 = 3.4994 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 998 @ 0.000101 = 0.1008 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00018 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.00018 = 0.504 BTC [+]
kleeck: So mcxNOW is MPex's new exchange, right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1419 @ 0.00110734 = 1.5713 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6992 @ 0.00018 = 1.2586 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.005339 = 1.6017 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 362 @ 0.00110998 = 0.4018 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 3000 @ 0.00105235 = 3.1571 BTC [-] {15}
jurov: thx kakobrekla looks like i need this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 772 @ 0.005339 = 4.1217 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 244 @ 0.00538815 = 1.3147 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.005498 = 0.1649 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 300 @ 0.00109783 = 0.3293 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 212.31211, Best ask: 212.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18789, Last trade: 212.50000, 24 hour volume: 9662.27925930, 24 hour low: 204.02000, 24 hour high: 214.76999, 24 hour vwap: 209.02524
jurov: "blow stamps" i like this!
mircea_popescu: dude with all these crashed raids, i now have the bitcoin/usd rate from unixtime 45788995934578218
dexX7: bye last safe harbor, that's the end of bitcoin finance
mircea_popescu: next time someone asks me how i know all this shit ima be all like "dude... my raids crashed".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13892 @ 0.00018 = 2.5006 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [+]
KRS1-: what is the price in the future
KRS1-: Current title: The Sundays - Wild Horses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i could share that for the low low price of 4506982753094509 btc
KRS1-: I think you got your decimal point in the wrong place, FOO
KRS1-: funny how some of the world uses commmmmmmmmmmmmas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 226 @ 0.00262104 = 0.5924 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1974 @ 0.0026 = 5.1324 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.65089997 = 2.6036 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Is TrueCrypt Audited Yet?
kakobrekla: we need isbitcoindocumentationwrittenyet.com
kakobrekla: no srsly ill look into getting someone who writes good docu
smickles: wow, kakobrekla doing good for the community
smickles: i just didn't expect it with such a long url joke-seeming things
nubbins`: worst allergy attack of my life
kakobrekla: you prolly have a low amount of phone number too!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i had asked 3 different people so far, which all promised they're going to do it.
mircea_popescu: im not about to pay $100 an hour for 9400 hours or w/e
mircea_popescu: otherwise sure, get some odesk kid with credentials of having worked for labcoin or bitfinex or w/e
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.65099999 = 13.02 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: im not even considering some random dude
nubbins`: good documentation is a rare beast
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.65799996 = 3.29 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00565887 = 1.1318 BTC [+] {7}
ozbot: 390928787.63809 | Next Diff in 1377 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.4814% in 7d 18h 56m 25s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00569499 = 0.393 BTC [+]
bidji: Do you remember the mcxNOW IPO i talked abour earlier?
bidji: They already raised 1 Million dollar!
ozbot: mcxNOW - Buy mcxFEE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [+]
dexX7: hm i would almost bet that there were ~33358 shares remaining 8 hours ago, too...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00575371 = 0.5754 BTC [+] {5}
bidji: no , there was 45 000 share left 12-13 hours ago
dexX7: but anyway, i never traded on that website, but it feels soo smooth and fast *_* (i'm serious)
kakobrekla: you can see immediately its some retarded kid.
dexX7: maybe. and now he is cashing out
bidji: well, the guy have 15+ year experience in c++.
dub: but he has Experience (tm)
bidji: Just test the site, you'll see it's not coded in a weeks
bidji: Faster than any other exchange, just try
dub: how much is he paying you to ruin your rep shilling for it?
dexX7: i think trading is locked atm
bidji: Only the trading of the mcxFEE, you can trade Altcoin
dexX7: so the market doesn't crash due to (potentially) 10x additional shares
kakobrekla: bidji you know you can just come in here and claim some shit and expect everybody to go along
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.6301 = 22.6836 BTC [-] {3}
bidji: that's why i suggest you test it
kakobrekla: thats why i suggest you shut the fuck up and lurk moar
bidji: People are investing 1 million$ in the site, maybe they know what they are doing don't you think
bidji: 10% yield at current volume
bidji: And it's growing very fast
bidji: There is 2000 BTC trading volume each day
bidji: Just want to spread awareness
kakobrekla: well thank you so much for exposing another scam now lets move along.
bidji: Good luck with your investment, i'm happy with mine and wanted to share
imsaguy: if you're making so much money, you'd want to keep it a secret
bidji: Because it's in my interest. More people on the site, more growth
imsaguy: I like being the last person to hold the bag
imsaguy: don't you feel like a pony when you sweat?
bidji: You realise it's share in a trading exchange? So more people on it, more fee revenue. Simple as that
kakobrekla: i think thats too much for my math skills, do i have to divide by 0?
smickles: i feel like someone is trying to sell chocolate on the front lawn of hersheys
kakobrekla: oh yeah that makes sense well sign me up for 2 shares! no, make it 3!
imsaguy: whenever the divisor = the numerator, the product equals one.
mpexbot: smickles: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
ozbot: The horror of horrors pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
imsaguy: smickles, mpex is migrating to the 50btc platform
imsaguy: "we got 'hacked' and stole all of your money" platform.
mircea_popescu: dub bidiji (51403667@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.64.54.103) has a reputation to ruin now ?
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: at least I'm equal opportunity with my hating.
imsaguy: He's like 7/16 black, of course.
smickles: obama stopped the recording of wizard history
mircea_popescu: dude actually a cat that had nice tits which sprouted whiskey and caramel would make a great pet.
imsaguy: smickles, that's a cat, not a kitten.
imsaguy: the senior is still spouting his bullshit.
mircea_popescu: His wife spent $5,150 on fur capes and parkas, the document said.
imsaguy: probably a tor exit node or something
ozbot: Doctor's mistress takes the stand in murder case
dub: mircea_popescu: so were intersango handling your backups?
mircea_popescu: no, i just had the dubious idea of having the proxies make something sort of like a blockchain
dub: I thought I'd worked with some incompetent motherfuckers before
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00569499 = 0.1139 BTC [-]
dub: that wasnt reference to mpex btw
dub: raging at my new work environment
mircea_popescu: at least they dion't allocate 5mb of random data for you with the task to read through it and find "anything suspicious"
orkaa: mircea_popescu, something for you
ozbot: Eminem Welcome to Timisoara City (Romania) - YouTube
dub: Romania's got talent
ozbot: Eminem Still Dre & Em (Funny) - YouTube
dub: locate that and insert cock to prevent further noise eminance
mircea_popescu: but anyway, she's cute and sorta-moves, but no tits, no ass, wtf are we doing here, fucking little boys nao ?
kakobrekla: why be so judgemental on the tits on ass or the lack of there of
kakobrekla: noone give a fuck if your penis is 'small' unless is anatomically too smal
dub: but agree on the tit/ass deficiency
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: gap
kakobrekla: i guess ill stay with little boys then!
dub: moar ass for the rest of us
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: gape
dub: pankkake's requirements include ease of spacedocking
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: space docking
kakobrekla: looking for that motherly venera features eh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 298 @ 0.0026 = 0.7748 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: sooo...to place mpex order, you have to get through mutually distrustful network of proxies
jurov: oh, and to rectify power problems, i'd recommend optical power couplers instead of transformers.
kakobrekla: change the tie to red and you got a hitman
jurov: Apparently the coins in coinfloor will be handled in full accord to FDA regulations.
jurov: Proper hygiene ftw!
pigeons: hmm then why did i still get sick?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00578899 = 0.2663 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov they didn;'t use to be distrustful, and im not even sure it's such a good solution. learning process.
jurov: Yes. Reusing coins fallen on floor will be strictly prohibited.
mircea_popescu: pigeons everything's successful these days, except shit that actually exists
jurov: mircea_popescu: maybe you end up using colored coins internally :D
mircea_popescu: at this rate i'll just end up hung in a rats nest of cables and lines of code.
pigeons: beware the chinese relic unter
mircea_popescu: "Technically and commercially adept, he’s founded several successful startups and remains a prominent figure in the Bitcoin community."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0026151 = 0.7845 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Asher has a background in economics, formerly providing analysis to leading business magazines"
pigeons: in bitcoin you don't even have to hide, you can be the "special sauce" and people will eat it
pigeons: I like how Ahser brings the lunch
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 215.21000, Best ask: 215.21100, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 215.21100, 24 hour volume: 8736.19751032, 24 hour low: 204.20001, 24 hour high: 216.00000, 24 hour vwap: 211.04564
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.66999999 = 4.02 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.678 BTC [+]
nubbins`: in one of the t-shirt group buys i did, some asshole grabbed a transaction id that someone else had already posted and PMed me with it, asking for a shirt