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BTC-Mining: Why u no use SingleHop in chicago?
rg: i do
rg: Chicago is full
BTC-Mining: I like SingleHop =/
rg: i havent put any new clients on chicago in months
rg: we have like 3 other awesome nodes
rg: switzerland is SO fucking popular
rg: definitely a good move, on my part, cause i rule
rg: gonna get another node in switzerland soon
rg: probably this month
rg: ok
rg: afk for few hrs
mircea_popescu: i kinda like singlehop too
mircea_popescu: for like us gaming and stuff it's pretty well placed
BTC-Mining: Why switzerland? Because of the financial laws?
dub: admin@aklab-mx960> request system reboot
dub: error: could not open database: /var/run/db/juniper.db: Too many open files in system
dub: doh, sorry
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4800 @ 0.00084715 = 4.0663 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BAKEWELL] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining i think they're right in the middle of the german ring
mircea_popescu: great peering all through
BTC-Mining: Eh, I guess
mircea_popescu: i dunno who trusts their "financial privacy" anymore anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00040147 = 8.8323 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 15000 @ 0.0034 = 51 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7700 @ 0.00084715 = 6.5231 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 15331 @ 0.00082643 = 12.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2000 @ 0.0007984 = 1.5968 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1100 @ 0.00076437 = 0.8408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 22185 @ 0.00076166 = 16.8974 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11500 @ 0.0007597 = 8.7366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 20876 @ 0.00075129 = 15.6839 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9308 @ 0.00074879 = 6.9697 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 1 @ 0.095 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 9 @ 0.09999 = 0.8999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8292 @ 0.00074879 = 6.209 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2000 @ 0.00074567 = 1.4913 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 19708 @ 0.00073557 = 14.4966 BTC [-]
usagi: http://stochastically.com -- quotes, dividends, and more!
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that. like a riemann ?
usagi: LOL
usagi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%C5%8D_calculus
usagi: [06:12:20] <mircea_popescu> da fuck is that. like a riemann ?
usagi: priceless
mircea_popescu: what's so priceless about it ?
usagi: You keep saying how much you know about finance and how little the people who disagree with you do
mircea_popescu: dude, i'm not a quant.
usagi: What exactly is your finance background?
mircea_popescu: trading.
dub: here is usagi's finance background http://i.imgur.com/bpKwU.gif
mircea_popescu: for instance, when they made the first large romanian brokerage house, way back in the 90s
usagi: Yeah well see this is what I am talking about.
usagi: Have you actually studied finance at all?
mircea_popescu: they went through customer roosters and picked people to hire to train as brokers.
mircea_popescu: they picked me, but i couldn't go, cause i was 17.
copumpkin: dragostea din tei
mircea_popescu: ahah wut ?
usagi: Well I can't say I'm suprised
usagi: Everyone here is a trader mircea that isn't something special
mircea_popescu: sigh.
mircea_popescu: everyone on the internet is a dog
mircea_popescu: when they're done being an astronaut and Casanova.
copumpkin: everyone on the internet is a pornstar
usagi: Actually it is interesting that you mention quants, I wonder if any of the bots around here have any good math inside them
mircea_popescu: no, they have bad math.
mircea_popescu: tis satanic.
usagi: Oh wow dub that really does look like me too!
JWU_42: 2+1 = maybe yes
EskimoBob: you guys are still going at it :) wtf!
EskimoBob: yawn...
JWU_42: EskimoBob: see what u are missing out on...
mircea_popescu: so let's cut this fish then. usagi, pick a couple of stochastic processes of your choosing and demonstrate ito calculus.
copumpkin: I wish I could list porn on my resume
EskimoBob: naaah... I do not care
mircea_popescu: you have one hour. do something that's not available to c/p online.
usagi: lol
copumpkin: child porn?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00040132 = 11.7988 BTC [-]
usagi: You don't even know what that means, mircea
mircea_popescu: dude, never mind me. you have one hour./
mircea_popescu: don't fritter it away.
usagi: How about no
mircea_popescu: this is your one chance to impress the adults.
usagi: No wait, let's make this interesting
copumpkin: http://quant.stackexchange.com/
usagi: I'll bet you $1000
usagi: right now mircea
usagi: yes or no
mircea_popescu: bet me 100o that waht ?
usagi: Right now yes or now.
copumpkin: lol
mircea_popescu: aw shit.
copumpkin: flip dat coin
smickles: ;;coin
gribble: heads
smickles: :D
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.1021 = 0.2042 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 50 @ 0.099998 = 4.9999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so basically what happened here is that copumpkin said something, usagi googled, found wikipedia and now thinks he knows ito calculus. and he'll bet me.
usagi: Ok yeah back to work I guess...
mircea_popescu: this reminds me vaguely of that thing that failed, what was it called...
mircea_popescu: the one on reddit.
usagi: That thing called mircea has no balls
usagi: kek
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: /r/jailbait?
mircea_popescu: nono,
Lyspooner: heliocentrism?
copumpkin: /r/reddit.com ?
mircea_popescu: the "company" that was doing something or the other and peopleended up logging in as anyone etc
mircea_popescu: lemme dig.
copumpkin: digg :)
mircea_popescu: bitdaytrade
mircea_popescu: "We do use... that thing... the one you just talked about. Right. We totally use that. You know, the one from... the market. The thing market."
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ybaut/do_not_invest_in_bitdaytrade_this_website_is/
mircea_popescu: this is about the level of it tbh.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.1021 = 1.021 BTC [+]
copumpkin: oh that
mircea_popescu: yeah. that ito thing.
mircea_popescu: with the good math.
copumpkin: speaking of finance and math
copumpkin: https://class.coursera.org/compfinance-2012-001
smickles: coursera, i've heard talk about that site
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 50 @ 0.00999999 = 0.5 BTC [+]
usagi: copumpkin is that a good site?
usagi: Will it teach me how to align this motherf***** buy button? https://hotwallet.ca/xc/orderbook.php
mircea_popescu: why don't they put the teachers' names up front ?
copumpkin: usagi: it's just a general site for running online courses, but the course is starting today
copumpkin: and it's a prof from UW
mircea_popescu: o ?
copumpkin: so it sounds fairly legit
copumpkin: it's one of those free online courses
usagi: online courses have come a long way
Lyspooner: i was told this was a channel concerning bitcoin assets?
copumpkin: Lyspooner: it's a pissing contest, really
mircea_popescu: http://quant.stackexchange.com/questions/1490/why-would-an-investor-trade-a-variance-swap-over-a-volatility-swap
mircea_popescu: i like that one.
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner well there's the assbot dumping quotes
mircea_popescu: and then the people discuss vaguely related matters.
Lyspooner: ok cool
smickles: Lyspooner: what asset would you like to talk about?
mircea_popescu: lol
smickles: damn, i was just going to route him to the assbot wiki page
copumpkin: there's also skiena's comp finance course
copumpkin: if people like this kind of stuff
usagi: it's all about price discovery
mircea_popescu: i kinda like copumpkin cause he tries to be constructive.
usagi: once you know what something is worth... you can have conviction in your trade
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.7899 = 2.3697 BTC [+]
copumpkin: http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/~skiena/691/ is the one, and it has lecture notes, slides, and videos!
copumpkin: and you can hear skiena say "mmkay" every two words
copumpkin: for about 20 hours
copumpkin: (I'm not kidding, it's like the dude in south park)
smickles: \o\
smickles: lol
mircea_popescu: i dun think i'm cool enough yet copumpkin. i rarely know what things are worth
mircea_popescu: and when i do it's usually 0.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.1021 = 0.5105 BTC [+]
copumpkin: my time is worth $0 :(
mircea_popescu: always suspected you had self-worth issues
copumpkin: usagi: aha, now we know your financial qualifications!
copumpkin: usagi: isn't there that dude in a top hat? is he your financial mentor?
copumpkin: he was called milord in the italian dubbed version
mircea_popescu: alice in wonderland rip-offs ?
copumpkin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEqhXdFyrzQ
copumpkin: that dude
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [+]
copumpkin: I quite like that quant stack exchange though
usagi: Endymion.......
copumpkin: more people should use it
copumpkin: lol
copumpkin: that sounds more badass
copumpkin: I never watched it in english or japanese
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.1021 = 0.2042 BTC [+]
usagi: That's his name
copumpkin: you know what I love?
usagi: Kamen Rider?
copumpkin: when people take an obscure math concept, read for about two minutes, and then write a long blog post explaining it, completely wrong
copumpkin: from the first sentence
usagi: Where
copumpkin: I appreciate people trying to learn and people trying to teach
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.137 = 1.096 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1375 BTC [+]
copumpkin: http://haskell-web.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/from-monads-to-monoids-in-small.html
usagi: Haskell is really good for parsing.
copumpkin: there's so much wrong with that page
copumpkin: I feel bad
mircea_popescu: getting back to things of import : so wright has ~4 days to pay up 150k usd ?
usagi: Too bad it's so operator heavy.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: it's more like 350k now
mircea_popescu: o
usagi: 35,000 bitcoins :/
copumpkin: pfft
copumpkin: peanuts!
usagi: bye bye dcoa
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 1.09 BTC [+]
usagi: or whatever it's called
usagi: zero credibility
mircea_popescu: what's dcoa ?
usagi: Well it's a big secret but it won't be if he doesn't pay
mircea_popescu: http://www.google.com/search?q=dcoa+bitcoin <<<
mircea_popescu: conspiracy
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.14999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.1021 = 1.021 BTC [+]
usagi: Well it's hardly a secret, I mean it isn't like they don't have a website.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.14999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: big secret hardly a secret ? pick one.
JWU_42: Digital Currency ...
mircea_popescu: of alabama ?
JWU_42: winner
usagi: You guys keep spoiling my jokes on mircea lol
JWU_42: Hey bubba - you know that there 'nernet thingie
mircea_popescu: its coming to alabamer
JWU_42: I lived there for 4 years - allows me certain liberties to disparage it =)
mircea_popescu: i lived there for about a week
mircea_popescu: but tbh i kinda liked the place so.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1375 = 0.6875 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BAKEWELL] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/yc6rf/we_demand_a_public_apology_from_uthezenpadguy/ im just re-reading all this.
usagi: yeah i sold all bdt from nyan.b 3 weeks ago
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1389 = 0.6945 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.13889 = 1.3889 BTC [-]
usagi: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ybaut/do_not_invest_in_bitdaytrade_this_website_is/
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.099999 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 5 @ 0.14999999 = 0.75 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: !ticker FDBF
mircea_popescu: http://titleofmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/i-therefore-pronounce-him-a-coward-scoundrel-william-tradewell-general-read.jpg
assbot: [GLBSE:FDBF] [Bid: 0.149] [Ask: 0.14999999] [Spread: 0.00099999] [Last: 0.14999999] [24hVol: 30.14999799] [7dAvg: 0.14824659]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.13889 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00040147 = 3.4526 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
dub: http://dcao.org/?page_id=36
mircea_popescu: !pl PPT.A 1
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: No dividend payments yet.
mircea_popescu: aww!
mircea_popescu: !pl PPT.D 1
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: No dividend payments yet.
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk.
dub: its like a roll call at a special school
mircea_popescu: wtf os that ;/
mircea_popescu: including some of the brightest minds and most passionate voices in the Bitcoin world.
dub: thats DCAO
mircea_popescu: bejeebuz.
mircea_popescu: In September of 2011 an interesting concept was presented in the DCAO minutes to increase accessibility of digital commodities through mobile payment processors.
mircea_popescu: i take it it's long dead.
dub: ELLET
mircea_popescu: Founded in July 2010, the Organization has already played a major role in the development of cutting-edge financial services and promotional campaigns
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: let me guess, mybitwallet and bitcoinica.
dub: anything matthew touches is going to fail
mircea_popescu: if history's any guide...
dub: I'm half expecting some high drama suicide attempt or somethign once he loses this bet
dub: he appears quite manic about it
mircea_popescu: im looking forward to it. maybe he misses.
dub: I honestly hope he succeeds
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 14 @ 0.1021 = 1.4294 BTC [+]
dub: there are some people we are just better off without
mircea_popescu: well if he was going to miss and misses...
dub: sadly I suspect there will just be a show
mircea_popescu: im sure we'll read all about it in that magazine thingamajig
dub: doubt it
mircea_popescu: "I read and dismissed Ayn Rand in the late 1970's. She codified and packaged selfishness and boorishness in such a nice way that it resonated with selfish boors."
mircea_popescu: what's a boor ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00040147 = 3.9344 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00040186 = 1.0448 BTC [+]
nefario: some1 from south afica wt a gun
dub: thats boer
nefario: da da da
dub: they made good sausage
dub: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Boerewors_raw.jpg/250px-Boerewors_raw.jpg
copumpkin: moo
mircea_popescu: their chief guy, kruger (for whom the kugerrand is named) actually believed the earth is flat.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 5 @ 0.000124 = 0.0006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0034 = 3.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.1021 = 0.3063 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Speaking of that, Zhou I wanted your thoughts on the financial situation.
mircea_popescu: As you know, Bitcoinica went from cranking out 6-figure profit one month to
mircea_popescu: a flatline the next. I covered most of the deficit from the hack on the
mircea_popescu: assumption Bitcoinica profits would quickly fill in the rest. What's
mircea_popescu: happened instead is a consistent equity leak that has remained unresolved
mircea_popescu: for two months. We've gone from being short 40k to now being short 88k.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22628 @ 0.00040186 = 9.0933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12072 @ 0.00040302 = 4.8653 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this is why i was saying im not so sure the zhoutong friend story is true.
mircea_popescu: maybe the guy just got his own money back.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.7211 = 3.6055 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 9 @ 0.721 = 6.489 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.72000001 = 2.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 12 @ 0.72 = 8.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITNODES] 1 @ 0.24475 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 10 @ 0.0957 = 0.957 BTC [+]
dub: so Tihan took it?
dub: more conspiracy for nefario
mircea_popescu: dub i have no ideea, i was just saying why i have my doubts.
dub: its exactly the kind of stupidly transparent lie chinese tell
mircea_popescu: which ?
dub: "some guy I know and did business with, who also uses my old email address sometimes, took the money. BUT he is willing to give it back if I ask him nicely"
mircea_popescu: a a that. yeah.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the truth may be "this guy i know with money who put up the deficit 4 months ago and now just took his own money back
mircea_popescu: might be whined into giving some more money for fear of X Y Z"
dub: why would zhou lie for tihan though?
mircea_popescu: how'd he be lieing for tihan ?
mircea_popescu: let me put this out plainly :
dub: remember he only came up with this story after trying to cash out the same amount that was taken from mtgox and some other exchange
mircea_popescu: 1. zhou wrote a shit algorithm for hedging. it seemed good-enouggh originally, but then started losing money.
mircea_popescu: 2. the site was hacked, the vps thing.
dub: and being outed by magicaltux
mircea_popescu: 3. zhou went to rich chinese guy, bla bla bla'd him about the future of currency, got 50k btc
mircea_popescu: on the deal that he'll pay it back with interest from the bitcoinica proceeds.
mircea_popescu: 4. no bitcoinica proceeds.
mircea_popescu: 5. guy takes his 50k btc back
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.14999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 6. zhou claims "hack".
mircea_popescu: 7, zhou explains it was his friend bla bla bla.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 8. zhou goes to tihan, whines and bitches, threatens him with the spirits of cryptoancestors
dub: you are missing another hack or two, but yeah, could have run athat way
mircea_popescu: 9. tihan throws him 10k btc to get out of this mess
mircea_popescu: ya i am, im trying to not run out of fingers here.
mircea_popescu: and yes, that mtgox cashing thing is also dubious.
assbot: [GLBSE] [CIUCIU.MINING] 20 @ 0.0999 = 1.998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.ABMO] 6 @ 0.087 = 0.522 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CC] 1 @ 0.0001 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 3 @ 1.1301 = 3.3903 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 20 @ 0.0975 = 1.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 35 @ 0.1 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 25 @ 0.1 = 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.1021 = 0.5105 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the bitfloor drama is fascinating.
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.64 = 1.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.641 = 1.923 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00040166 = 0.3213 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 3 @ 0.62869 = 1.8861 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 5 @ 0.14999999 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.138889 = 6.9445 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.1388899 = 6.9445 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.13889 = 1.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1397 = 0.6985 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.1398 = 2.796 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.1399 = 2.798 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.14 = 2.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1021 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3284 @ 0.00085411 = 2.8049 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.0008556 = 4.4491 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00040132 = 1.9665 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00039964 = 3.4369 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 5 @ 0.14999999 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 4 @ 0.5012 = 2.0048 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 4 @ 0.5011 = 2.0044 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 10 @ 0.5 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.09577 = 0.1915 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Few questions:
mircea_popescu: Where your servers VPS?
mircea_popescu: from whois
mircea_popescu: Name Servers:
mircea_popescu: ns1.linode.com
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha ok this is the best i ever ehard.
mircea_popescu: people in btc ARE STILL USING LINODE ?!
BTC-Mining: Apparently?
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 9 @ 0.075 = 0.675 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i tell you, thiis is better than tv.
BTC-Mining: "Everyone else is using them in bitcoinland! They must be good!"
mircea_popescu: i never used them
BTC-Mining: Me neither
dub: to be fair linode is fine
mircea_popescu: dub i would never use them now.
mircea_popescu: they can't be fine.
dub: they had an employee go rogue, there is no protection from that
mircea_popescu: i don't care. what i do is, i pick things and blacklist them.
assbot: [GLBSE] [SS] 8 @ 1.65 = 13.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and there's no recourse.
dub: the problem is people putting hot wallets on _VPSEN_
dub: that is fucking retarded
mircea_popescu: for sure.
dub: shit meeting
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smickles: also
smickles: why arn't these exchanges audited and insured?
mircea_popescu: by whom ?
Obsi: CPA!
mircea_popescu: lol
smickles: well, don't people like neofurter and rg do security work?
mircea_popescu: smickles neither of those could eat a 25k loss. what else you got ?
smickles: and if cpa is currently the only option for insureance, something may be able to be worked out
mircea_popescu: cpa is the pet project of usagi, who is a well meaning and far overreaching anonymous english teacher.
mircea_popescu: insurance means somfin else.
smickles: mircea_popescu: it's a sector of the bitcoin economy that needs to be fleshed out, it seems
mircea_popescu: well... yeah, but it'll take time.
Obsi: Someone should write a how-to security guide for all these exchanges to get up to speed.
mircea_popescu: bunch of people have been throwing concepts around, just, insurance ain't so simple in btc.
mircea_popescu: Obsi someone was linking something on the forum. the problem is everyone has faith in themselves
mircea_popescu: this results in bizzare shortcuts and weird implementations.
smickles: i would imagine it to work out something like: in order to qualify for insurance, the agent would require you system to meet with some sort of inspection
smickles: and i bet the insurance would cost a pretty penny
mircea_popescu: smickles option contracts are insurance, in a way. i don't even know currently if i got taken for 4.5k or not.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the fact that no actor in the "insurance" play=pretend space could eat that and survive,
mircea_popescu: what would you do ?
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smickles: what would i do for what?
mircea_popescu: if you were in my shoes. you insured the btc/usd rate and took a loss. what now ?
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smickles: well, you take a loss. presumeably, you business can handle an amount of losses
mircea_popescu: right. this is not how insurance works.
mircea_popescu: insurance finds the culprit and sues.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, [pur]sues them.
mircea_popescu: so i want an answer to this q : do i need to pursue anyone or is it bona fide loss ?
smickles: how does insurance work when it's for stuff like hail damage?
smickles: no one to pursue there
mircea_popescu: you have hail models
mircea_popescu: yes, there is. you change the actuarial model.
Obsi: You sue the weather
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: but seriously smickles, it's very VERY hard to insure anon.
mircea_popescu: suppose you were insuring bitcoinica.
mircea_popescu: linode hack, you pay.
mircea_popescu: new hack, do you pay ?
mircea_popescu: even newer hack, pay still ?
smickles: well, if i insured an exchange, i wouldn't allow it to be on a managed vps
mircea_popescu: soon enough best scammer business model would revolve around your insurance company.
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mircea_popescu: even irl, w/o anonimity insurance fraud is like the #1 fraud by volume tried in courts.
mircea_popescu: it's easy with hail, cause nobody can hail.
mircea_popescu: but your claims would result almost always from "hacks".
smickles: mircea_popescu: in your case, isn't all actual btc offline?
mircea_popescu: and actually, to this day us insurers won't do floods.
mircea_popescu: smickles yes.
smickles: so then a theft would have to come from physical theft
mircea_popescu: except im not an exchange. are you going to only insure exchanges that don't have hot wallets ?
smickles: it could be a start
Obsi: insurance company should provide the hosting & app platform, then they can be sure if actual hacking is taking place.
mircea_popescu: Obsi this is a good point.
Diablo-D3: Obsi: in a way
Diablo-D3: but the problem is
mircea_popescu: you'd need some muscle to force people into obedience, as in, the special cornflakes that they are don't want to give you their code.
Diablo-D3: people suck at code
Diablo-D3: the platform doesnt fix this
smickles: Diablo-D3: suppose the code has to be audited too
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 you don't let them run it. you run it/ they just give you the code.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: erm
mircea_popescu: so yes, this would be a solution, but you would need something bigger than currently available
Diablo-D3: you didnt read what I wrote
Diablo-D3: THE CODE SUCKS
mircea_popescu: both in terms of fuck you power and in terms of btc
Diablo-D3: full stop.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 well... yeah. that too.
smickles: if the code sucks, it doesn't qualify for insurance
Diablo-D3: guess what: you can write stable and secure php.
smickles: is that so hard?
Diablo-D3: smickles: YES
Diablo-D3: if writing sane code was so easy, WE'D NEVER HAVE BUGS
mircea_popescu: smickles you can say you're insuring ppl atm then lol
mircea_popescu: just... nobody qualifies.
Diablo-D3: I mean fuck
Diablo-D3: it took me about 4 months to write an STM impl that wasnt shit
Diablo-D3: and I still cant prove if its 100% correct
smickles: so there is no code good enough to even build an actuarial model around?
Diablo-D3: I just know that every attempt Ive made to smash it has failed or lead to bugs that were fixed
copumpkin: I prove code all the time
mircea_popescu: smickles possibly not. we don't know.
mircea_popescu: is the fair answer. maybe there is.
mircea_popescu: we're too new and for the largest majority, too stupid.
copumpkin: granted, much simpler code than an STM impl :)
Diablo-D3: copumpkin: bullshit, you'd have to use a language specifically for that
copumpkin: Diablo-D3: and I do
mircea_popescu: he does.
Diablo-D3: theres only like three languages for that
mircea_popescu: ahaha
Diablo-D3: and you cant even name one.
mircea_popescu: lettuce see this.
copumpkin: agda, coq, idris, epigram,
mircea_popescu: name one ahaha
Diablo-D3: using wikipedia is cheating.
copumpkin: let's see
copumpkin: twelf
copumpkin: Diablo-D3: seriously?
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mircea_popescu: BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT ITO INTEGRALS ARE
copumpkin: Diablo-D3: I do this shit in my free time
JWU42: haha
copumpkin: https://github.com/copumpkin/categories/tree/master/Categories
copumpkin: I have thousands of lines of code of agda
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: ooh! ooh! I know what intergrals are! THEY ARE NIGHTMARE CONSTRUCTS SPAWNED BY EVIL MATH TEACHERS
copumpkin: plastered all over my github
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 i was referencing a speciffic discussion, i think you weren't here.
Diablo-D3: oh
Diablo-D3: copumpkin: feh
mircea_popescu: copumpkin so why don't you write an exchange ?
Diablo-D3: still, go ahead and write a provable stm impl\
Diablo-D3: it aint happening
copumpkin: I was tempted to, and started working on it :)
copumpkin: the exchange one
Diablo-D3: its ugly bastard code that I am not entirely pleased with
copumpkin: STM is hard
mircea_popescu: hehe kinda stepped in it Diablo-D3 huh
copumpkin: and I'm not going to try
Diablo-D3: STM is extra fucking hard
copumpkin: I'd need to build concurrency models first
Diablo-D3: maybe in 20 years I can replace it with hardware stm
copumpkin: because these languages give you very few primitives
copumpkin: so you need to build most things from scratch
copumpkin: HTM!
Diablo-D3: not completely htm
usagi: Lets play a game
usagi: Fix the security hole:
usagi: function makealpha($s){
usagi: $r = preg_replace('/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/i', '', $r);
usagi: return ($r); }
Diablo-D3: complex hardware sychronization that fixes most of the ....
Diablo-D3: usagi: weatkhalrjhwrlarjarlroufjojawr
copumpkin: lol
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copumpkin: $r?
usagi: Ok that was level 1
usagi: Now here's level 2
usagi: function makealpha($s){
usagi: $r = preg_replace('/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/i', '', $s);
usagi: return ($r); }
Diablo-D3: LWKJERKLARJARJARJAKJADKAWE
copumpkin: lol
usagi: This obviously has blown Diablo-D3's mind.
Diablo-D3: doesnt php even have a fucking function for that
copumpkin: usagi: so you have a function makealpha that removes all alpha?
usagi: Yes
copumpkin: hmm okay
usagi: But there's a security hole.
Diablo-D3: there is a security hole BECAUSE SOMEONE THOUGHT REGEX WAS A GOOD IDEA
Diablo-D3: its bad enough I can do that kind of shit in perl
usagi: um
copumpkin: why do you need /i?
mircea_popescu: regex is a good ideea if you don't allow FUCKEN CHINESE BS CHARS
Diablo-D3: its an even worse idea to use php. for anything. at all.
usagi: No, that's not it Diablo.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I can make secure unicode apps
usagi: There's a very real problem with the makealpha function
Diablo-D3: usagi: then dont use it.
Obsi: match what you allow, don't remove what you don't want.
mircea_popescu: lol
copumpkin: oh
Diablo-D3: Obsi: that only partially describes how ugly that regex is
usagi: If you can point out the security flaw I will hire you as my pen tester :p
BTC-Mining: I'm getting hungry...
BTC-Mining: Weird how I can't just stay 24/7 watching the bitcoin markets.
mircea_popescu: so bitfloor was making 200 btc a month.
Diablo-D3: usagi: I just did. thats php.
BTC-Mining: Well off I go
mircea_popescu: listen, this is the reason there's not many decent exchanges. 2k a month ? srsly ?
Diablo-D3: by default thats the one and only security flaw I need to know.
mircea_popescu: that's what, minimum wage.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: writing an exchange is easy
usagi: Diablo thats nice but that's not the flaw
Diablo-D3: usagi: that is 100% the flaw
usagi: Yeah but you don't know anything about computer security
Diablo-D3: if I ran an insurance company and I had to audit code, anything written in php automatically fails.
Diablo-D3: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Diablo-D3: oh man
usagi: What would you suggest -- cgi? lol
mircea_popescu: no, he writes in java.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: nope
Diablo-D3: that ship saled.
mircea_popescu: what do you use ?
Diablo-D3: back to C I went,
mircea_popescu: o
Diablo-D3: I always end up back at C
usagi: PHP is pretty much enterprise class
Diablo-D3: its the only language I can truly express myself in
Diablo-D3: usagi: bull fucking shit
usagi: PHP is more popular than perl, ruby, lisp, erlang and haskell all rolled into one
Diablo-D3: what planet have you been living on
Diablo-D3: popular != secure.
usagi: The planet where people have reasons for what they believe in?
mircea_popescu: lol
usagi: You are so big on PH{'
usagi: PHP's security flaws -- okay, so,
usagi: whats the flaw?
usagi: Point it out
Diablo-D3: usagi: read the php release changelogs for the past 5 years.
usagi: next!
Diablo-D3: and also, where is php actually popular? its not in the enterprise.
Diablo-D3: as much as I hate java, java is.
mircea_popescu: http://www.securityweek.com/working-patch-php-security-flaw-be-released-tuesday
copumpkin: :(
mircea_popescu: he has a good point lol
mircea_popescu: "On Tuesday, the PHP Group plans to release new versions of PHP in order to address the problems with a previous patch, which was intended to close a security problem." and on it goes.
usagi: Do you know what the security problem is?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: fuckception
Diablo-D3: oh my fucking god, people still use php with cgi?
Diablo-D3: the fuck
smickles: usagi: just a wild guess, would that function fubar when regex special characterw were used?
usagi: Nope.
Diablo-D3: php has a fucking fastcgi handler, jesus fucking christ
mircea_popescu: >D
usagi: “When PHP is used in a CGI-based setup (such as Apache's mod_cgid)..."
usagi: So in othr words, it does not apply to modern PHP installations
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Diablo-D3: usagi: go use erlang
usagi: Why?
usagi: See this is so endemic
usagi: I say, find the flaw, and you can't.. but instead of just asking, you bullshit about how the entire language is insecure
usagi: As proof you bring up the fact that they fix security holes as they are found
usagi: IIRC solaris had a security hole in sendmail until like, 6 months ago
usagi: sendmail
usagi: I guess that means we can't use unix
Diablo-D3: usagi: the flaw is you're using that regex on user input in a function named "makealpha"
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usagi: You're getting warmer
Diablo-D3: no, this is what I said near the top.
usagi: But you were wrong there.
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Diablo-D3: usagi: so explain to me, again, why you're not using strtoupper with your locale force set to a unicode one?
usagi: But anyways you mentioned Erlang
usagi: I am intrigued by their programming specificatoins
usagi: Why should I learn Erlang?
usagi: And... what about Haskell?
usagi: I've been meaning to learn Python actually, because of armory
Diablo-D3: [07:56:36] <usagi> $r = preg_replace('/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/i', '', $s);
Diablo-D3: why are you using ^ anyhow?
Diablo-D3: haskell is shit
copumpkin: replace all nonalphanumeric with empty
Diablo-D3: copumpkin: thats not what ^ means.
copumpkin: in a character class it is
usagi: ^ means everything except
usagi: in this case
Diablo-D3: yes, ^ in the set negates the set
usagi: Well I will show you the solution
usagi: since I gotta go
copumpkin: cool
Diablo-D3: I can very easily produce a string that will produce an empty string with that regex
usagi: function makealpha($s){
usagi: $r = substr($s, 0, 1024);
usagi: $r = preg_replace('/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/i', '', $r);
usagi: return ($r); }
Diablo-D3: usagi: you're giving a shit about string size on a dynamic language?
usagi: lol theres a buffer overflow in preg_replace
usagi: it will crash the system and maybe worse
Diablo-D3: um, dude
Diablo-D3: if there is a buffer overflow in preg_replace
Diablo-D3: you dont fix it in YOUR code
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
Diablo-D3: you fix it upstream
mircea_popescu: he wants to know why php is insecure
Diablo-D3: fucking moron
Diablo-D3: learn to code
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah no fucking shit
Diablo-D3: he was sitting on one
mircea_popescu: for the record :
Diablo-D3: usagi: fuck you dude, learn to code
copumpkin: now exploit it!
nefario: mircea_popescu: dont you use php?
mircea_popescu: there WAS A buffer overlfow in php preg replace cca 2005
mircea_popescu: i doubt it very much it's still there.
usagi: I just showed you a) you don't know what the insecurities are b) you don't know how to fix them
usagi: I'm not the one that needs ot learn to code bro
Diablo-D3: usagi: you didnt show me anything
mircea_popescu: nefario sure, i have wordpress
Diablo-D3: _I dont use php because its not secure_
Diablo-D3: that solves 100% of the issue.
nefario: whats mpex coded in?
usagi: Yeah and thats another thing, mpex is php
copumpkin: usagi: admittedly, asking for idiosyncrasies of particular versions of a specific language isn't exactly testing our security knowledge :)
usagi: lol
Diablo-D3: does perl have the same problem? no. does ruby? no. does java? no.
Diablo-D3: does python? probably not.
usagi: I was just trolling diablo
smickles: lol, java has it's own problems
mircea_popescu: java surely.
nefario: Diablo-D3: all those languages have their own issues
Diablo-D3: nefario: yes, but not a core language feautre having a buffer overflow.
nefario: mpex is coded in Java?
Diablo-D3: thats something only php could do.
copumpkin: mpex is coded in malbolge
nefario: C C++
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mircea_popescu: lol. the public face is php. mpex actually runs on lisp.
copumpkin: w00t
mircea_popescu: you knew this
copumpkin: nope, I knew that mpoe did
nefario: buffer overflow is a core feature of C C++
copumpkin: :)
mircea_popescu: copumpkin well doh
nefario: mircea_popescu: you use lisp?
usagi: There were still holes in malloc and free being used until early this year IIRC
copumpkin: lithp
nefario: like emacs lisp?
copumpkin: emacs lisp has shitty scoping
copumpkin: don't use it!
copumpkin: tell RMS to eat more toe junk
nefario: will do
nefario: but don't know if he'll hear me
mircea_popescu: lmao
nefario: guy has hearing problems
nefario: last time I tried talking to him
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mircea_popescu: attack him with a cactus.
copumpkin: don't buy him a parrot
nefario: he started shouting at me
nefario: mircea_popescu: which version of lisp?
copumpkin: my colleague saw him on the subway home this evening
usagi: lisp?
mircea_popescu: nefario i haven't released that sort of details.
Diablo-D3: night all
usagi: That explains everything.
smickles: nn
usagi: I get it now
usagi: mircea is a lisp programmer :)
mircea_popescu: usagi nope, i don't code.
nefario: mircea_popescu hired a lisp programmer?
nefario: where ever did you find one?
mircea_popescu: i know people.
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usagi: Is mpex really written in lisp?
nefario: I know people too, and none of them use lisp professionally
nefario: yes
nefario: apparently
mircea_popescu: there's not so many of them,.
usagi: thats pretty sad lol
usagi: No wonder he can't maintain it
smickles: ?
mircea_popescu: usagi are you a little nuts, srslty now.
mircea_popescu: the site was never down. ever. wtf are you on about.
nefario: usagi: lisp in and of itself is not a problem
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usagi: No it's that no one knows it
nefario: mircea_popescu: you need people to use the site to notice its down
mircea_popescu: gah, again with the shit.
mircea_popescu: get some uysers, then we can talk nefario
mircea_popescu: srsly now.
nefario: I almost developed some respect for mircea_popescu
usagi: If I had 3 bids and one of them was lisp I could tell you what the most expensive bid was without even looking
nefario: on hearing it was in lisp
nefario: but he doesn't code it himself
mircea_popescu: that's possibly the worst criteria to decide who to respect.
nefario: so respect lost
nefario: well
usagi: Programming in lisp is a lot like programming in 8088 assembly language.
nefario: never gained
mircea_popescu: you should respect me because you had a market you were shitting all over for a year
nefario: no lisp is nice
mircea_popescu: and i took it from you in a few months.
usagi: You have to think like you're coding for 50 year old hardware
copumpkin: lol @ this discussion
mircea_popescu: that'd be something to respect.
mircea_popescu: and admittedly, learn a few things from.
nefario: it's just the implenetations of it are no fun to use in production environments
usagi: Spoken like a true ruby evangelist nef :)
nefario: reddit started off in lisp
nefario: but they had to move to python because of threading issues
copumpkin: this is why I use haskell
copumpkin: >_>
nefario: copumpkin: respeck
copumpkin: and I don't even have to write my own STM impl
copumpkin: cause GHC already has one :D
mircea_popescu: lmao
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copumpkin: :)
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 just did it cause he's a programmer at heart, wants the challenge.
nefario: I very much enjoy playing around with lisp
copumpkin: I like challenges too
mircea_popescu: i don't.
nefario: but I leave it at that
nefario: playing
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nefario: when you start heading towards production
nefario: you rely more on libraries etc.
nefario: good libraries are important
copumpkin: yup
nefario: list was fantastic at the start of the web
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nefario: when there were no libraries
nefario: only CGI
nefario: or whatever
mircea_popescu: i don't trust any libraries.
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nefario: well mircea_popescu, better throw out the GPG lib you're using and write your own
nefario: while you're at it
nefario: write your own libc if you don't trust libraries
nefario: but now days
mircea_popescu: if i were to run an exchange on it, yes, i would.
nefario: perl, ruby, python have so many great libraries
nefario: and application stacks
nefario: there is no advantage in using lisp anymore
dub: mircea_popescu has libraries, of porn
dub: !!!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: now those, those i trust.
nefario: the best implementation of lisp that I've found
usagi: I'm a Java programmer. I am writing the backend for my exchange in java.
nefario: at least a free one
nefario: is clisp
nefario: ok it doesn't do threading
copumpkin: Clipse
smickles: usagi: you arn't afraid of how often java exploits seem to happen?
nefario: but it's pretty reliable
usagi: There are exploits everywhere
usagi: Even ruby has gaping security holes all over it
smickles: usagi: yes, but java is a pretty big target
usagi: There's nothing in any language that will prevent security holes
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copumpkin: the idea is to minimize the opportunities for them
usagi: You can't mitigate security by choosing a language
copumpkin: not prevent
nefario: use brainfuck
nefario: it's only got like
copumpkin: the vast majority of security holes arise from a couple of features that many language simply omit
mircea_popescu: usagi is making an exchange ?
usagi: Security is about compartmentalization
nefario: 20 characters
nefario: how hard can it be?
usagi: rg knows what he is talking about -- he said, he runs everything in VMs
copumpkin: I know what I'm talking about, too :)
usagi: so that if a service gets compromised they can't get out of the vm
nefario: no no no
nefario: guys
nefario: youre doing it all wrong
nefario: only way to be secure
copumpkin: unplug
nefario: is to write it in CPP
copumpkin: lol
nefario: then you can ensure there are no holes in your code
usagi: Yeah mircea of coruse I am making an exchange.
copumpkin: most security bugs in the wild arise from buffer overflows or format string vulns
mircea_popescu: of course you are making an exchange ?
copumpkin: the latter of which is particularly stupid
usagi: https://hotwallet.ca/xc/orderbook.php
copumpkin: because it comes from a feature in format strings that nobody ever even uses, except for exploits
nefario: damn guys
nefario: and now Im after installing clisp
copumpkin: oh and I guess sql injections
mircea_popescu: usagi your security scheme is wrong on that site.
nefario: distracting me like that
copumpkin: all of which can be solved by language design decisions
usagi: Can you point out how it is wrong?
nefario: mircea_popescu: do you code...at all? Do you even know how?
mircea_popescu: yeah, your cert doesn't exactly match the domain
mircea_popescu: nefario sure, i can code, i'm not mentally retarded.
mircea_popescu: it just doesn't pay enough for my time.
usagi: What does the cert say
copumpkin: it's a self-signed root that doesn't match the domain
mircea_popescu: --2012-09-05 03:31:27-- https://hotwallet.ca/xc/orderbook.php
mircea_popescu: Resolving hotwallet.ca... 199.48.69.241
mircea_popescu: Connecting to hotwallet.ca|199.48.69.241|:443... connected.
mircea_popescu: ERROR: cannot verify hotwallet.ca's certificate, issued by `/O=hotwallet/OU=hotwallet/CN=199.48.69.241':
mircea_popescu: Self-signed certificate encountered.
mircea_popescu: ERROR: certificate common name `199.48.69.241' doesn't match requested host name `hotwallet.ca'.
copumpkin: but during development, it's fairly common to not pay for a real one :)
usagi: That's my IP.
copumpkin: yeah
usagi: Beyond that
nefario: self signed cert
nefario: no biggie
usagi: buying certs opens you up to MITM attacks.
usagi: Self-signed and self-published certs are more secure than ones you buy online
copumpkin: usagi: self-signed certs defeat the purpose of the system
usagi: Yupyup they sell mitm boxes to the feds
usagi: No
mircea_popescu: so then why not jsut quote as ip ?
usagi: The point is that the communication is encrypted
copumpkin: might as well use uncertified diffie-hellman
mircea_popescu: or why not sign as domain ?
copumpkin: yeah
copumpkin: you can do that without a certificate
copumpkin: the certificate is about identity
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 2 @ 0.39 = 0.78 BTC [-]
copumpkin: TLS provides two features: authenticating your peer, and encryption
copumpkin: the certificates (possibly even client-side, in some systems) provide auth
copumpkin: encryption stops eavesdropping
smickles: copumpkin: i plan to self sign my cert, and publish clearsigned info so that users can verify my sig and import the cert
mircea_popescu: the point here is : either give the link as https://199.48.69.241/xc/orderbook.php or else change the cert to use the domain not the ip.
usagi: Then use 2fa
smickles: there by getting encryption and identity
usagi: Sign in with a yubikey
copumpkin: is that to me?
usagi: I'm setting it up so you can't do anything without 2fa
copumpkin: usagi: the point is, if you use a self-signed cert, someone else can pose as your site, and nobody will know
usagi: send with yubikey, etc.
copumpkin: once they pose as your site
copumpkin: they can act as a middleman and forward requests to your real site
copumpkin: and steal your info
copumpkin: or just not even bother doing that
usagi: But if I publish my own cert
usagi: then you can verify if it is me or not :)
copumpkin: sure, you'd attach it to some other notion of identity
copumpkin: but the vast majority of your users aren't going to know that
copumpkin: or bother checking
copumpkin: that's why central cert auths are worthwhile
mircea_popescu: i'd say "that's why https is useless for btc"
usagi: Now there's a scam if I ever saw one
smickles: if the user doesn't care about connecting to the real site...
copumpkin: I might go out of my way to add your cert to my trusted set
usagi: 100 dollars for .... nothing
usagi: brb
copumpkin: no, it isn't nothing
copumpkin: also, even if you do self-sign
copumpkin: don't just use the root directly
copumpkin: store the root somewhere else, and have it sign a sub-cert
copumpkin: and then make the site use the sub-cert
chaang-noi: usagi is yarr jumping to a differnt ponzi and is the 1% for yarr garanteed each day?
mircea_popescu: this is a good ideea, tho in general https is still useless.
chaang-noi: like if i get it, will you be sure i get 1% each day other than sunday?
smickles: what's wrong with sunday?
mircea_popescu: no tits on sunday.
chaang-noi: yarr never paid on sunday
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.003393 = 0.1018 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: incidentally : i have no ideea how people imagine those cert scams make any money
mircea_popescu: what with only allowing people that pay to have centralised certificates.
mircea_popescu: it should be free and they should recoup costs from advertising or something.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 200 @ 0.1042999 = 20.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 10 @ 0.94230769 = 9.4231 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 9 @ 0.75 = 6.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 6 @ 0.76 = 4.56 BTC [+]
nefario: gnight girls
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 5 @ 0.095 = 0.475 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 250 @ 0.095 = 23.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 75 @ 0.1 = 7.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 2 @ 0.76 = 1.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C010T] 823 @ 0.90562136 = 745.3264 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BAKEWELL] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: In case it's not clear to the dimwit collectivists, the "creditors who essentially have an open and shut case when it comes to a lawsuit" are we who have USD held by BitFloor, not the magical internetnerd token owners.
mircea_popescu: the bitfloor thread is really great.
assbot: [GLBSE] [CHEAPERINBITCOINS-STOCKS] 1 @ 0.28999 BTC [+]
usagi: goat; nope, YARR is not jumping to a different ponzi.
usagi: As for the 1%, that part of the contract doesn't change; it's a pass-thru. Kind of like how tygrr.bond-pi stopped paying interest when pirate did
usagi: I wonder what the market will price it at this timre
usagi: Oh the other issue is, Nefario hasn't approved (or disapproved) of it yet
usagi: It might not list for a while
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 4 @ 1.0635 = 4.254 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1.063 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 20 @ 1.05 = 21 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 10 @ 1.02 = 10.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 20 @ 1.00001 = 20.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 15 @ 1.00000003 = 15 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 10 @ 1.00000002 = 10 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.A] 65 @ 0.31 = 20.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.A] 100 @ 0.32 = 32 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 19 @ 1 = 19 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SsavHX6tc let us all take a moment to review this
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.B] 100 @ 0.311 = 31.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.B] 100 @ 0.32 = 32 BTC [+]
usagi: I hope that wasn't you sellin YARR, goat
mircea_popescu: selling yarr to buy ppt yay
chaang-noi: :)
chaang-noi: i was not selling yarr
usagi: So um now that I am back
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+]
usagi: Mircea, you said my site's security was bad or something? what did you see
mircea_popescu: i said you should either sign with the domain name or else quote the link with the ip in it
usagi: oh right
mircea_popescu: and copumpkin gave you the very useful advice of not signing with the root
mircea_popescu: which i wouldn't have bothered, cause you frankly aren;t worth it.
usagi: What do you think of the actual site?
mircea_popescu: i didn't go further than that.
usagi: So you don't actually have any problem with the site. Ok cool, I'll quote you on that ;)
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 2 @ 0.14999999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
usagi: Mircea said he cannot see any security flaws or problems with my site ^^
usagi: Yay
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1366 = 0.683 BTC [-]
JWU42_: nick JWU42
JWU42_: err
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.09567 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this takes the cake : ppl wanting to do a 75k btc ipo on glbse for a bankrupt company
mircea_popescu: it used to make ~2k a year before going bust, so this would be a P/E of ... 33
mircea_popescu: satoshi dice ipoing at a P/E of 10 was however much too expensive in the oppinion of the same financial wizards.
mircea_popescu: i guess evoorhees should bankrupt first, then it'll be also a great ipo. buncha idiots these people.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOT] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.0099998 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOT] 2 @ 1.01 = 2.02 BTC [+]
chaang-noi: why are people buying tygrr bot!!!!
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOT] 1 @ 1.04 BTC [+]
chaang-noi: og fuck,,,,
usagi: Are you planning on buying it back goat?
chaang-noi: at .91 or 1btc if bitcoincia pays out
chaang-noi: i ahve bids at .91
chaang-noi: its mostly dead
mircea_popescu: lol
usagi: Then let the market bleed into your .91
chaang-noi: i have asked nefario to make a large flashing red sign saying dont buy it
chaang-noi: he wont
chaang-noi: well, i want to protect and make aware people trusting me assets...
usagi: But you are waiting for bitcoinina
usagi: So saying don't buy it could skew the market.. people mightg sell out, you'd buy up all the shares on the cheap etc
usagi: Who is to say that someone out there doesn't know something and is not selling under 1?
usagi: maybe pc is the one buying
chaang-noi: there is no way it should be wroth more than 1 btc ever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00040242 = 0.6841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13659 @ 0.0004018 = 5.4882 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5241 @ 0.00040048 = 2.0989 BTC [-]
chaang-noi: assbot> [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOT] 1 @ 1.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4784 @ 0.00040302 = 1.928 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40158 @ 0.00040326 = 16.1941 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.559 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1042889 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: rah...
BTC-Mining: I keep getting undercut by 1 satoshi on everything almost instantly
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9867 @ 0.00086192 = 8.5046 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11793 @ 0.00086378 = 10.1866 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5465 @ 0.00085631 = 4.6797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1716 @ 0.00085578 = 1.4685 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8300 @ 0.00084532 = 7.0162 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6519 @ 0.00081485 = 5.312 BTC [-]
chaang-noi: sorry BTC-Mining :)
chaang-noi: just kidding :)
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 12800 @ 0.00081485 = 10.4301 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 3 @ 0.14999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 2 @ 0.39 = 0.78 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 3 @ 0.15 = 0.45 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Yeah, I'll need to make a bot
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C010T] 592 @ 0.90552673 = 536.0718 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this should be the official popcoin girl http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/134681126871.jpg
dub: nsfw btw
dub: (thanks)
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.104285 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yee
BTC-Mining: The link or mircea?
BTC-Mining: xD
mircea_popescu: are you kidding ? i'm very safe for work
BTC-Mining: yes I'm kidding
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHB1FN4o8VQ
mircea_popescu: so there's some dumbass scam that's being spimvertised.
mircea_popescu: and this idiot is doing "a review" which consists of spending 20 minutes saying he's gonna do the same thing cause it works well.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ARS] 75 @ 0.01485 = 1.1138 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: considering the sort of shit that errupts every time money meets internet, i would say BTC is way ahead of the curve.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00040189 = 8.3593 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ARS] 40 @ 0.01481 = 0.5924 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Wait what? You mean the classic "Buy my 20$ book to learn how to make 20$s from people!" stupidity?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: it's a small majority of internet monyz.
mircea_popescu: actually i been half waiting to see the first btc shit in long page format with yellow highlights tbh
mircea_popescu: and with a box thing
BTC-Mining: small majorities are the best
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 8 @ 0.7299 = 5.8392 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that bitfloor thing can't help creating some decent memes.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 10 @ 0.96153846 = 9.6154 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: About those long page with yellow and red highlights (with the obligated traditional blue background and big red or golden "Buy Now" button at the bottom)
mircea_popescu: yea
BTC-Mining: Did you know that 0.001% of them are legit? Pay 100 000 x 100$ bi-daily subscription and find out the one which actually provide hepful financial advise!
BTC-Mining: Or for a better deal, just buy Finances for Dummies
BTC-Mining: Your credit rating will thank you.
dub: holy shit
dub: I love this 1nject0r guy
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining it's really a very sad subculture.
mircea_popescu: dub he is pretty funny
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 15 @ 0.73 = 10.95 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: You mean that 8 years old kid who think he has hacked a website by loading an error page?
BTC-Mining: I haven't heard of him, sorry
dub: still smarter than 90% of bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: lol. sad, but true.
mircea_popescu: i am very curious which will be the 1st bitcoin service to reach a 5 year stretch w/o hacking.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.79 = 3.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00040236 = 3.581 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Might be MtGox
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 6 @ 0.055 = 0.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.053 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: when was their last, may 2011 ?
mircea_popescu: no, june.\
BTC-Mining: Only one to have survived a hack so far, and probably the better equipped to achieve that
mircea_popescu: well bitcoinica survived ONE hack
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.104275 = 0.3128 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.10428 = 0.2086 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 29 @ 0.104285 = 3.0243 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 11 @ 0.104286 = 1.1471 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i would bet its glbse
BTC-Mining: ... yeah I don't think that counts
mircea_popescu: incidentally.... mtgox lost 500k coins
mircea_popescu: so technically more than pirate.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.104286 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: But the VOLUME
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 78 @ 0.1 = 7.8 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: 500k USD, not coins...
copumpkin: where's 500k from?
mircea_popescu: nono. 500k coins.
copumpkin: that wasn't "lost"
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailytech.com/Inside+the+MegaHack+of+Bitcoin+the+Full+Story/article21942.htm
copumpkin: it was a db hack
copumpkin: those weren't real coins
copumpkin: the crash was artificial to exploit their withdrawal limits
mircea_popescu: well yeah i guess so.
copumpkin: the number was 432109.87654321
copumpkin: :D
mircea_popescu: lol
copumpkin: I think the official statement is that the guy made off with 2000 coins or so
copumpkin: which isn't so bad
copumpkin: assuming they aren't downplaying it, which they probably are :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00040326 = 4.8391 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: no
mircea_popescu: initally was claimed 25k
mircea_popescu: then it was something like 1k usd worth of bitcoins
mircea_popescu: at a pricer of 0.01 this is 100k
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCS] 500 @ 0.011 = 5.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.139 = 0.695 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1399999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.13999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00040236 = 8.2886 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 2 @ 0.0811 = 0.1622 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 1 @ 0.00999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcoin.org.uk/forums/topic/284-new-mtgox-hack/ nothing quite like year old drama.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 1.098 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 1.0989954 = 2.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7284 @ 0.00040326 = 2.9373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36069 @ 0.00040333 = 14.5477 BTC [+]
EB250: BTC-Mining: same shit, different exchange :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: drama ?
BTC-Mining: II was just saying
BTC-Mining: [04:03] <BTC-Mining> For all we know, all those trading websites were made by the same guy who is completly hilarious from making the same "mistake" every time yet keep getting funds from everyone every time.
BTC-Mining: [04:07] <BTC-Mining> "Oh guys, I'm sorry, I was (reusing passwords because it smartly saves me time/didn't use a cold wallet because it's stupid waste even if it caused plenty of others losses before me/didn't implement any actual security practice because heck, it's completly non-convential in the financial market to have those right?). All the funds were stolen. I still have a balance
BTC-Mining: in BTC/USD but there's no way I'm returning that either. Thanks, bye."
mircea_popescu: ya. and his name is alberto ?
BTC-Mining: You mean BDT? I was thinking bitfloor currently...
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7296 @ 0.0007476 = 5.4545 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: BDT hasn't officially absconded from responsibility to anything.
BTC-Mining: They claim no hack so far...
BTC-Mining: But they found a security issue they had to correct before reopening.
BTC-Mining: (or so it is claimed)
mircea_popescu: actually, they lost 4k
mircea_popescu: or thereabouts.
BTC-Mining: Really? Ouch. Link?
mircea_popescu: well doh you missed half the drama ?
BTC-Mining: Or is that rumors?
BTC-Mining: I haven't read it yet, so unless you can point it out...
mircea_popescu: Jonathan Ryan Owens locked Rebate, Zip.A, Alberto & BDT thread
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101109.0
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 300 @ 0.00999999 = 3 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: >.>
BTC-Mining: Is that the same Alberto and is there any official statement they lost 4k BTC?
mircea_popescu: welll, people don't seem to be making official statements much.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOT] 4 @ 0.91 = 3.64 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the figure comes from reddit,
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/yb89v/bitdaytradecom_operator_has_already_lost_4000btc/
mircea_popescu: kronos.io did launch, it was online for a few days then it closed. seems to me this is credible.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.79999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Forum software was compromised using a 0day exploit in SMF. Perpetrator had administrative access since September 3rd, which went unnoticed until September 9th, when they inserted the CosbyCoin defacement JavaScript.
mircea_popescu: who was telling me i should use smf ?
BTC-Mining: oh, the operator lost 4k in the past with Kronos...
mircea_popescu: well that past couldn't be very long could it ?
BTC-Mining: Indeed. We shall see.
BTC-Mining: Now I'll tell all my friend I have a new drama show called "Bitcoin".
BTC-Mining: Full of unrealistic scenarios and bitching.
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11704 @ 0.0007476 = 8.7499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 13096 @ 0.00074876 = 9.8058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1754 @ 0.0003997 = 0.7011 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00039967 = 5.8352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17502 @ 0.00039964 = 6.9945 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4244 @ 0.000399 = 1.6934 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5104 @ 0.00074876 = 3.8217 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10600 @ 0.00075113 = 7.962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4296 @ 0.00081 = 3.4798 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: well off I go
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.7999 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: bye btc-mining
DeaDTerra: morning :)
Chaang-Noi: morning
Chaang-Noi: deadt, want to buy back all that pirate debt? lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2794 @ 0.0004008 = 1.1198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12431 @ 0.00040333 = 5.0138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00040427 = 4.2448 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0004044 = 4.0844 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16244 @ 0.0004048 = 6.5756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00040414 = 5.2538 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: ehm no it's cool xD
DeaDTerra: What will come of TyGrr.Tech btw?
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9646 @ 0.00074033 = 7.1412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5369 @ 0.00072379 = 3.886 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9300 @ 0.00070635 = 6.5691 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3785 @ 0.00070427 = 2.6657 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: right now plan is to sell off hardware
Chaang-Noi: i have the rigs listed
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: why, what happened?
DeaDTerra: Okay :)
DeaDTerra: each share can be traded for $15 right?
Chaang-Noi: what?
Chaang-Noi: no, i highly doubt the hardware is worth that much
DeaDTerra: hm seems to be gone
Chaang-Noi: ?
DeaDTerra: sorry my fault xD remembered incorrectly
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.13 = 1.17 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.72999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16746 @ 0.00040414 = 6.7677 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.000399 = 9.8154 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1156 @ 0.000399 = 0.4612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244 @ 0.00039865 = 0.0973 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: why not just sell the gpu hardware and buy an asic rig?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.1042889 = 0.8343 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.1042889 = 1.0429 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: nefario how be the legalization going?
nefario: I think I remember saying nothing will be happening until next week
kakobrekla: mornin
Chaang-Noi: lol, if i could read everything everyone writes
nefario: Im waiting to get some documents
Chaang-Noi: morning
nefario: wont have them until saturday
Chaang-Noi: okay, good luck i guess
nefario: on that comment about ID
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 4 @ 1.03 = 4.12 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: anyone have an BDT I can borrow?
Chaang-Noi: any*
Chaang-Noi: ill pay double dividends
kakobrekla: Chaang-Noi, speculating for a crash?
Chaang-Noi: if i were to speculat yeah...
Chaang-Noi: can i borrow?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00039943 = 21.2497 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.73 = 3.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 3 @ 0.07999999 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 16 @ 0.08 = 1.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 6 @ 0.0899999 = 0.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 10 @ 0.0923 = 0.923 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 15 @ 0.0925 = 1.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [V.HRL] 5 @ 0.99999 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-A] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2500 @ 0.00081 = 2.025 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [V.HRL] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 150 @ 0.00999999 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 6 @ 0.09567 = 0.574 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 2 @ 0.06 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 4 @ 0.0575001 = 0.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 10 @ 0.0575 = 0.575 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 180 @ 0.055 = 9.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 9 @ 0.052 = 0.468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19953 @ 0.00039865 = 7.9543 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: hi, who is around?
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 11 @ 0.11 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 10 @ 0.1072 = 1.072 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 7 @ 0.79 = 5.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25016 @ 0.00039865 = 9.9726 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29984 @ 0.00039826 = 11.9414 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: Chaang-Noi ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 20 @ 0.1 = 2 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: hi kakobrekla, false alarm :)
Chaang-Noi: sorry mate
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 2 @ 0.0091 = 0.0182 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 3 @ 0.009001 = 0.027 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 2 @ 0.00902 = 0.018 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 4 @ 0.00910012 = 0.0364 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: ahh all good stuff if you really hold physical
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.13 = 0.65 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: if a goat@
Chaang-Noi: was on a boat
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.2999 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: would a boat goat a moat?
farfi: This pirate situation better be over soon... peopel are losing their mind....
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 2 @ 0.09989 = 0.1998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.6349 = 1.2698 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: Looking to sell a 200 BTC BitcoinMax account anyone interested?
Chaang-Noi: deadterra 5 solidcoins
kakobrekla: 5 solid and 1 namecoin
Chaang-Noi: more than i will ever pay
kakobrekla: so anyone chasing pirate yet
Chaang-Noi: wait until 10th
kakobrekla: whats then
Chaang-Noi: then piles of shit will fall on mk kinny
Chaang-Noi: texas
kakobrekla: hm?
kakobrekla: i dont understand
Chaang-Noi: people will try and make a new goatse out of pirate on the 10th
Chaang-Noi: or at least file wire fraud charges that will be the start of priates new very large asshole
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.A] 50 @ 1.01 = 50.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 40 @ 1 = 40 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4583 @ 0.00039943 = 1.8306 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17069 @ 0.00039979 = 6.824 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i think we need a btc lets just go the fuck crazy day
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 10 @ 0.78 = 7.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 10 @ 0.79 = 7.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 11 @ 0.73 = 8.03 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: lol EskimoBob is still trolling on the dmc thread
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00039993 = 9.8783 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.13 = 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC [+]
EB250: Diablo-D3: what do you mean by trolling?
EB250: I read the stuff he writes and looks like the problem is not EskimoBob but you :)
EB250: I do not have any DMC but even if half of this is true
EB250: you have fucked up badly and looks like people are not happy with your lack of management skills
Diablo-D3: EB250: he seems to think that DMC isnt already moving forwards
Diablo-D3: I dont even know why hes trying to stop it
Diablo-D3: maybe hes a shill for rg
rg: i paid him to do it
Diablo-D3: I KNEW IT
EB250: how much?
rg: as if id pay that chump for anything
rg: hes the only one person i have /ignore'd
Diablo-D3: rg: nice
Diablo-D3: rg: so I wonder how well this is going to go
rg: im imagining pretty slow
Diablo-D3: well, Ill be the only one selling high end dedis for btc
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.799 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o66FUc61MvU
Chaang-Noi: lol who keeps buying that shit
Diablo-D3: buying what, giga?
Diablo-D3: who knows
Diablo-D3: its massively overpriced
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.09999 = 0.9999 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: lol i sold ltcmining and bond p
Diablo-D3: hey guys
Diablo-D3: who is bitfloor?
Diablo-D3: because Ive never heard of them
Diablo-D3: and they're claiming 24k btc was stolen
Diablo-D3: and I _really_ doubt that
JWU_42: Bitfloor is legit
JWU_42: Roman is a decent guy - maybe not a security expert though...
Diablo-D3: he needs to be beat then
Diablo-D3: who the fuck puts 24k btc in a hot wallet
rg: it wasnt
rg: they snagged an old backup of the wallet
Diablo-D3: but...
Diablo-D3: um
rg: why dont you read the forum post before you continue
Diablo-D3: why wasnt the backup encrypted?
DeaDTerra: it's all explained in the post :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.559 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: I didnt see the thread
Diablo-D3: just the news picking it up
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.74 = 7.4 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: this whole clusterfuck makes my head hurt
Diablo-D3: why the fuck dont people take basic precautions
Diablo-D3: rg: back me up here and tell me Im not crazy
Chaang-Noi: are you guys talking to d3?
Chaang-Noi: only he could be that stupid
rg: Diablo-D3: everyone makes mistakes
rg: $252k mistakes
rg: :)
Diablo-D3: not with that much money
Diablo-D3: and will someone just kickban goat already?
Diablo-D3: he doesnt belong in here
blazing: whats going on
rg: umm
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.075 BTC [+]
blazing: goats a mad cunt
rg: its a public channel
blazing: dont kick him
rg: he has as much right to beh ere as you
Chaang-Noi: lol so it is d3 haha
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.147 = 0.294 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.1497889 = 0.4494 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.075 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: rg: yes, but at least I dont scam investors
Chaang-Noi: i will let d3 be d3 and will sleep, night everyone :)
rg: he didn't intentionally scam anyone
rg: pirate scammed him
Diablo-D3: no, I meant his mining shit
rg: oh i dont know anything about that
rg: so i wont comment
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 23 @ 0.00445 = 0.1024 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: neither do I, I just remember people bitching about it
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.74 = 2.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9000 @ 0.00080701 = 7.2631 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5100 @ 0.00080701 = 4.1158 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 31 @ 0.96153846 = 29.8077 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 19 @ 0.98076923 = 18.6346 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: "Diablo-D3 | rg: yes, but at least I dont scam investors " No shit! This is exactly what you did with DMC
EskimoBob: LOL
EskimoBob: amazing
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: okay, so, if I "scammed investors" then why havent I bought my own caribbean island yet
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINTORRENTZ] 6 @ 0.749 = 4.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINTORRENTZ] 4 @ 0.75 = 3 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: buy your logic, or rather lack of it, every scammer has a island. No wonder DMC is worth nothing ... LOL
EskimoBob: you are amazingly stupid man. Honestly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00040094 = 3.5283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00040398 = 7.9584 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9656 @ 0.0004048 = 3.9087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00040503 = 7.5336 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 893 @ 0.00040503 = 0.3617 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: Im stupid because Im making fun of you? thats not quite how it works
Diablo-D3: you seriously think pirate and that bitcoinica guy own an island
Diablo-D3: you're pathetic
EskimoBob: let me quote you your own stupidity "Diablo-D3 | EskimoBob: okay, so, if I "scammed investors" then why havent I bought my own caribbean island yet "
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 10 @ 0.053 = 0.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 7 @ 0.05110001 = 0.3577 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 5 @ 0.0361011 = 0.1805 BTC [-]
exahash: fyi - there are lots of islands that arent't that expensive
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 250 @ 0.036101 = 9.0253 BTC [-]
exahash: http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands?forsale_start=1&forsale_end=2
exahash: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 13000 @ 0.00080386 = 10.4502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1228 @ 0.00080701 = 0.991 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: exahash: he wasted the BTC on who know what. There is nothing left to bu a island ... LOL !
EskimoBob: !pl DMC 1@0.85
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: DMC [1@0.85BTC] paid: 0.02635814 BTC. Last price: 0.036101 BTC. Capital gain: -0.813899 BTC. Total: -0.78754086 BTC. (-92.7%)
EskimoBob: !pl DMC 1@0.5
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: DMC [1@0.5BTC] paid: 0.02635814 BTC. Last price: 0.036101 BTC. Capital gain: -0.463899 BTC. Total: -0.43754086 BTC. (-87.5%)
EskimoBob: this is pathetic, Diablo-D3!
mircea_popescu: how do you know that's not a scam exahash ?
EskimoBob: even TYgr crap is worth more :)
exahash: @mircea_popescu - what? the islands site?
EskimoBob: not you again, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: exahash yea
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob remind me, what are you doing here again ?
exahash: that sites been around for over 10 years. I don't "know" 100% its not scam, as I have not bought an island through them.
exahash: its basically an mls site for islands instead of houses
mircea_popescu: hm
exahash: I have read the magazine that goes with it
exahash: pretty sure they're legit, and have nothing to do with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i never saw it before, sounded like a silly internet scam domain
EskimoBob: like mpex?
mircea_popescu: 6 acres / 2.53 ha | Freehold | Private Island
mircea_popescu: USD 29,900
mircea_popescu: this is pretty decent.
exahash: look at the higher priced ones :-)
mircea_popescu: srsly... why i want more than 6 acres ?
mircea_popescu: what am i doing, raising cattle ?
mircea_popescu: six women, six acres.
mircea_popescu: and a mule.
exahash: privacy
exahash: so they can't see your house from a boat?
mircea_popescu: let them see it, what.
exahash: and protection from the ocean
mircea_popescu: maybe they learn some new moves.
exahash: storms
mircea_popescu: i guess that's ap oint yeah...
EskimoBob: no ciuciu, so he and his friends can go to the beach http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8df4nD_0d4c/TQi2Ee7GxeI/AAAAAAAAAHg/nW7el112MSg/s1600/1071221803-0B.jpg
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 4 @ 0.8601 = 3.4404 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 4 @ 0.86 = 3.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 1 @ 0.78 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5071 @ 0.003393 = 17.2059 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: actually it's a lot more like http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/13456595538.jpg
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 92 @ 0.1041 = 9.5772 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: we all know you got lots of shit on your page. No need to advertise it
mircea_popescu: it's just women dood. women aren't shit.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 2 @ 0.16889 = 0.3378 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 1 @ 0.1689 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 95 @ 0.1041 = 9.8895 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1866 @ 0.00080701 = 1.5059 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 17234 @ 0.0008094 = 13.9492 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 4 @ 1 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00039812 = 9.4354 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: !ticker FDBF
assbot: [GLBSE:FDBF] [Bid: 0.149] [Ask: 0.15] [Spread: 0.001] [Last: 0.15] [24hVol: 29.69999805] [7dAvg: 0.14843927]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.799 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 23 @ 0.8 = 18.4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/faq.html#6
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of myself, "Trying to be part of a cryptocurrency without knowing how to use gpg is like trying to be part of the 60s without knowing how to use a bong."
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABIF] 1 @ 0.99403 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2764 @ 0.00039812 = 1.1004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6736 @ 0.00039797 = 2.6807 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.795 = 1.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.7945 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 18 @ 0.79 = 14.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.75 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.058 = 0.464 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.058 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.0575 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.0001222 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.05555 = 0.4444 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 10 @ 0.65 = 6.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.A] 2 @ 0.99 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 30 @ 0.15 = 4.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5000 @ 0.0008089 = 4.0445 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11600 @ 0.0007977 = 9.2533 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 24900 @ 0.00079414 = 19.7741 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5511 @ 0.00079257 = 4.3679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2989 @ 0.00078855 = 2.357 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 3 @ 0.798 = 2.394 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 1 @ 0.117 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3909 @ 0.00082042 = 3.207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 300 @ 0.00082103 = 0.2463 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 2 @ 0.1111 = 0.2222 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 10 @ 0.101 = 1.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 3 @ 0.1000001 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 28 @ 0.10000001 = 2.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 17 @ 0.10000001 = 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.094 = 0.188 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 10 @ 0.0931 = 0.931 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 4 @ 0.391 = 1.564 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 12 @ 0.3901 = 4.6812 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 6 @ 0.798 = 4.788 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 2 @ 0.798 = 1.596 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 3 @ 0.39 = 1.17 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 10 @ 0.06100001 = 0.61 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29164 @ 0.00039797 = 11.6064 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 736 @ 0.00039784 = 0.2928 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.73400001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.734 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 5 @ 0.3901 = 1.9505 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.5501 = 2.7505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.108 = 0.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 9 @ 0.65 = 5.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.73400001 = 1.468 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 3 @ 0.09398 = 0.2819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 900 @ 0.00082133 = 0.7392 BTC [+]
gabbynot: anyone know how many outstanding shares of tygrr.bond-p there are?
Diablo-D3: gabbynot: ask glbse
Diablo-D3: https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/TYGRR.BOND-P
gabbynot: thx
Diablo-D3: wow quite a few
gabbynot: it says 38402, but there were only 27895 on last dividend payment
gabbynot: what's going on?
Diablo-D3: people bought them after last dividend payment I guess
rdponticelli: Ask piotr_n... lol
gabbynot: something doesn't look right
gabbynot: it never jumped by that much in a week
mircea_popescu: likely swaps no ?
rdponticelli: Yea, there's quite a flame on the thread
rdponticelli: Goat says he has 40000BTC on his account
rdponticelli: So he's selling the bonds
gabbynot: ah
mircea_popescu: goat has 40k ?
rdponticelli: On pirate
mircea_popescu: o o. maybe.
rdponticelli: We can say he had
rdponticelli: Some of it was investor's
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.003393 = 0.0679 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
gabbynot: nyan.c should be worth a bundle if matthew actually pays everyone
mircea_popescu: matthew pays as in, m. n. wright ?
gabbynot: yep
mircea_popescu: i think i have some confederate bonds somewhere, i should make a glbse fund
mircea_popescu: they'll be worth quite a bit just as soon as general lee wins the war.
gabbynot: lol
gabbynot: isn't friday his deadline for the bets?
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 1 @ 0.09999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in a sense.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 15 @ 0.0001222 = 0.0018 BTC [-]
gabbynot: the forum stuff is entertaining. way better than any movie.
mircea_popescu: yep, i was sayin the same thing
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 30 @ 0.00024 = 0.0072 BTC [+]
MrWubbles: Mr Supa wanted me to post this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106018.0
mircea_popescu: whop's mrs upa
MrWubbles: mr SupaDupa
mircea_popescu: Petition to Shutdown BTC-e and have all assests given back to the tax payers
mircea_popescu: what da ?!
mircea_popescu: there's taxpayers in btc now ?
mircea_popescu: pity such weak fakedrama nao.
mircea_popescu: the forum can do better.
rdponticelli: MrWubbles: Wasn't you the one who make a shitton hacking btc-e?
rdponticelli: :D
MrWubbles: maybe
rdponticelli: Nice night that one
rdponticelli: Entertaining
mircea_popescu: btc-e got haxt ?
cabbagemonster: hi
rdponticelli: Yea, somebody injected fake USD through LR
copumpkin: MrWubbles is full of shit, most of the time
rdponticelli: He made BTC reach 99USD
mircea_popescu: lol
rdponticelli: And MrWubbles was around, taking the credit
cabbagemonster: ereet hackers
cabbagemonster: damn thems
mircea_popescu: daNG tham all to heck!
mircea_popescu: ;;ident MrWubbles
gribble: Nick 'MrWubbles', with hostmask 'MrWubbles!~suckmywub@24.69.197.34', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: o i c.
mircea_popescu: moar cryptocurrency experts w/o gpg.
rdponticelli: It was a nice show. You could watch the consecuences of hyperinflation on fast forward
rdponticelli: :D
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1041 BTC [-]
pigeons: oh MrWubbles is a winner
mircea_popescu: winnr.rar ?
pigeons: winnah
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 39 @ 0.09 = 3.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2500 @ 0.003393 = 8.4825 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00039784 = 8.0762 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 10.515, Best ask: 10.55, Bid-ask spread: 0.03500, Last trade: 10.55, 24 hour volume: 27817, 24 hour low: 10.181, 24 hour high: 10.6
MrWubbles: win.rar
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.A] 9 @ 0.32 = 2.88 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: those .32s look like so much pain
rdponticelli: Yea, those are the insurance
BTC-Mining: That's the guarantee on them
mircea_popescu: yep
BTC-Mining: Chaang, Patrick, etc.
BTC-Mining: They've all been hit quite hard
mircea_popescu: yeah.
rdponticelli: The whole economy
mircea_popescu: i suppose next time mpoe-pr says x is shit they remember this and pay fucking deference.
mircea_popescu: no. the whole wannabe-economy.
rdponticelli: Well, yes
rdponticelli: The whole embrionary economy
mircea_popescu: teh economy is sr and clubs with seals and on and on.
mircea_popescu: not some people lending fiddy bucks in the backalley.
rdponticelli: Seals is that big?
mircea_popescu: this is like confusing wall street with the bowery for chrissakes.
rdponticelli: I haven't even looked into them
mircea_popescu: they seem to be doing ok.
mircea_popescu: not implying they're au par with sr, just pulled a name.
mircea_popescu: if i said satoshi dice it'd be biased, neh ?
rdponticelli: Ok, I thought there was some order of magnitude away....
rdponticelli: A little, maybe...
rdponticelli: :)
mircea_popescu: hard to tell how much sr makes.
mircea_popescu: if the 6k a month figure is correct then that's less than sd's last.
mircea_popescu: also hard to guess how much seals makes, but a few k might be it.
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: do even you believe this crap you write?
EskimoBob: is there another channel where I can see GLBSE trades and not this shit you write?
kakobrekla: ;;topic
gribble: Bitcoin asset exchanges: GLBSE https://glbse.com || MPEx http://polimedia.us/mpex || CST https://cryptostocks.com || ICBIT https://icbit.se || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || a biased message: http://smpake.com/ || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RMjqah
EskimoBob: for fuck sake, start your own mpx-scam channel and fuck off for good
kakobrekla: you are looking for #bitcoin-assets-trades
kakobrekla: :)
kakobrekla: or just /ignore
EskimoBob: ignore is good idea because this bull shit is not funny any more
mircea_popescu: what exactly is his problem anyway ?
mircea_popescu: dude, im not greek, simmer down.
EskimoBob: i know you are not greek. I told you this long time ago. How thick are you?
mircea_popescu: apparently your ignore is broken, too.
usagi: CPA would solve so many of this world's problems
usagi: LIke goatse spam
usagi: It's a pity that guy didn't have a contract with us.
EskimoBob: nothing wrong with my ignore, You just have not made it to the list yet
usagi: Just imagine a big bandaid over the asshole with CPA written on it. "CPA. Protecting you from goatse spam before it even begins". Hmm. I wonder if that would be a viable advertising campaign for a bus or a subway or somehthing
EskimoBob: lol usagi
mircea_popescu: have you ever done advertising on a bus or a subway or something ?
usagi: kakobrekla: /ignore who?
usagi: i just got back
EskimoBob: looking at mpex, I guess you know all about advertising. Please, mircea_popescu, amuse us
usagi: Oh him.... right, right...
usagi: I didn't notice :p
MrWubbles: hello EskimoBob Mr Supa says hi
MrWubbles: and long time
EskimoBob: who is Supa?
mircea_popescu: im guessing best be proactive about this.
MrWubbles: SupaDupaJenkins
EskimoBob: ?
usagi: eskimobob: Is he talking about glbse again?
EskimoBob: no idea who this clown is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00039934 = 0.9185 BTC [+]
MrWubbles: Mr Supa known for his work in the softmod console community as well as his Noob Guides to P2Pool
usagi: Oh poker again.. lol, thats another one... he mentions poker a lot doesn't he
MrWubbles: among various commits and pushes on git
usagi: Something about poker players making it in bitcoin
usagi: you should come on over here EskimoBob. To the mature side. *sniffs air* Aaaah, it's a beautiful day!
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.003393 = 1.0179 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: silence lol
PsychoticBoy: prob from his east european gf`s
MrWubbles: you can not shoot what you can not see
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: you got cooties. bah
PsychoticBoy: !ticker FDBF
assbot: [GLBSE:FDBF] [Bid: 0.149] [Ask: 0.15] [Spread: 0.001] [Last: 0.15] [24hVol: 26.99999857] [7dAvg: 0.14847284]
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: DMC [1@1BTC] paid: 0.02635814 BTC. Last price: 0.036101 BTC. Capital gain: -0.963899 BTC. Total: -0.93754086 BTC. (-93.8%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 16 @ 0.1041 = 1.6656 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1041 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 10.6, Best ask: 10.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 10.62, 24 hour volume: 29104, 24 hour low: 10.181, 24 hour high: 10.64499
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 5 @ 0.0799 = 0.3995 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 50 @ 0.07999999 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 50 @ 0.0855 = 4.275 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 20 @ 0.085989 = 1.7198 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 7 @ 0.08699 = 0.6089 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 5 @ 0.087199 = 0.436 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 18 @ 0.08899 = 1.6018 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: is EskimoBob drunk again?
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 9 @ 0.751 = 6.759 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 7 @ 0.75 = 5.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 86 @ 0.0096 = 0.8256 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.0999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 2 @ 0.75 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.7111 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 9 @ 0.711 = 6.399 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : twitter discards identical updates. sometimes ppl buy 1k options blocks in sucession and only one gets reported. if i add some code at the end of the twitter message will it bork your bot ?
kakobrekla: it should not
kakobrekla: gonna add microtime'
kakobrekla: ?
mircea_popescu: nah a 3 digit random number i was thinking
mircea_popescu: aite let's see here.
kakobrekla: well microtime makes at least some sense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00039934 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: seems fine
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1041 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: its preety resilient
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.141 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.137 = 0.411 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: eh wtf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00039934 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00039934 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ya ok.
Diablo-D3: Quantum Romneyism: http://www.bash.org/?951317
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.136 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.134 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 http://betabeat.com/2012/09/hackers-claim-theyre-holding-mitt-romneys-tax-returns-for-bitcoin-ransom/
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.129 = 0.516 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.12730011 = 3.9463 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.12720011 = 1.272 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.12710001 = 1.271 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.12710001 = 0.3813 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: (via mod6 :p)
Diablo-D3: lolwhat
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 19 @ 0.00999999 = 0.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.0999 = 0.999 BTC [+]
mod6: here's another:
mod6: http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/05/romney-tax-returns-hacked/
Diablo-D3: lol
mircea_popescu: jcpham you should be pumpkinmonster
Diablo-D3: lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 20 @ 0.0999 = 1.998 BTC [+]
copumpkin: :O
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12902 @ 0.00040052 = 5.1675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37125 @ 0.00040067 = 14.8749 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C010T] 750 @ 0.9068351 = 680.1263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11273 @ 0.00040067 = 4.5168 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33216 @ 0.00039934 = 13.2645 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3511 @ 0.00039926 = 1.4018 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=pirateat40&sign=ANY&type=RECV
mircea_popescu: lol at pirate's slow decline towards hell.
mircea_popescu: maybe there's wisdom to the ponderous way the crowd ends up doing things.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3189 @ 0.00039926 = 1.2732 BTC [-]
MrWubbles: TANGO DOWN: http://bitcointalk.org
pumpkinmonster: I'm still patiently waiting mircea_popescu
pumpkinmonster: I'm not hasty with my ratings at all
mircea_popescu: pumpkinmonster yeah.
pumpkinmonster: the glass isn't half empty
pumpkinmonster: it is the wrong size container
mircea_popescu: thinking about it... as someone pointed out, not like there's that many innocent bystanders that might haven ot heard about it.
mircea_popescu: ahah say wut ?
mircea_popescu: o look! bitcointalk is down!
mircea_popescu: quick, everyone flock to http://polimedia.us/btcf/index.php
mod6: :)
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5591 @ 0.00082104 = 4.5904 BTC [-]
pumpkinmonster: glass hlaf/empty...glass half/full
pumpkinmonster: both incorrect
pumpkinmonster: container is improperly sized
mircea_popescu: it's not a half empty glass, it's a mostly full m&m ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 10 @ 0.00999999 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.104 = 0.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.104 = 0.416 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 9 @ 0.641 = 5.769 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 40 @ 0.6 = 24 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 9 @ 0.571 = 5.139 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 300 @ 0.57 = 171 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1041 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: nope
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.104 = 0.416 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: I'm waiting for the postcard
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.37899218 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you ain't gettin' no postcards.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 3 @ 0.0001222 = 0.0004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BAKEWELL] 2 @ 0.125 = 0.25 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: awww...
BTC-Mining: But I wanted a postcard with pirate's avatar on an island on a longchair. With caption: "Thanks to the crew for another succesful plundering. Arrr mateys!"
BTC-Mining: I am strongly disapointed.