mircea_popescu: the reasons it's not well implemented are in no sense scientifical, but purely political, and so the solution isn't going to come from writing it up, but from a willingness to work with others already doing it.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense "stop being stupid and use the b-a model" is about a billion times more effectual than "here's how you could do it theoretically"
justusranvier: Mostly I just want people to start thinking along the lines of how to harden existing systems specifically different threat models than those they are accustomed to combating.
justusranvier: I gave an example implementation, but it's purpose is mostly a thought exercise.
justusranvier: I do think that invitation-only networks have a role in the future, and creating incentives for proper vetting will be important, however those are accomplshed.
justusranvier: In the near future, Uber and Lyft are going to win their battle with the established taxi mafias.
justusranvier: They'll get in bed with the lawmakers and regulators and get the rules changed so they can participate.
justusranvier: However, the process of doing so is going to be very expensive and consume the profits they should rightfully have made.
justusranvier: Right about the time they win this battle, pure P2P versions of what they do will start cutting them out of the loop entirely.
justusranvier: What will they do? Of course, they'll do exactly what the taxi drivers are doing to them - demand the government "do something"
justusranvier: By this point, however, the only attack vector will be sting operations against individual drivers.
justusranvier: So by the time this all happens we should have tools ready that are specifically designed to allow people to conduct in-person commerce with some assurance they are about to do business with a cop
justusranvier: that they are *not* about to do business with a cop
empyex: ben_vulpes: [S.MPOE] Bids: 52758 @ 0.00073978 16250 @ 0.00073885 14518 @ 0.00073828 3035 @ 0.00073788
empyex: ben_vulpes: [S.MPOE] Asks: 9603 @ 0.00074093 4200 @ 0.00074164 3100 @ 0.00074318 6350 @ 0.00074370
mircea_popescu: anyway, small, worthless transactions like say a cab ride aren't too adequate for this sort of application because people can't be arsed to bother.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason the traditional "taxi mafia" is prevalent all over the world. that technology may force the government to release its extractive grip of said mafia tho... this is dubious. works for as long as people have the upper tech side, but this pendulum swings.
mircea_popescu: for easy comparison, argentina legally allows prostitution, but not pimping. this is roughly equivalent to allowing lyft/uber but not the traditional style.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107709 @ 0.00073588 = 79.2609 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1087 @ 0.00073866 = 0.8029 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00073342 / 0.00073748 / 0.0007468 (398319 shares, 293.76 BTC), 7D: 0.0007262 / 0.00077463 / 0.00088145 (3427764 shares, 2,655.25 BTC), 30D: 0.0007262 / 0.00081606 / 0.00094217 (13319985 shares, 10,870.04 BTC)
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 497.62, Best ask: 497.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 497.62, 24 hour volume: 16561.50479641, 24 hour low: 481.55, 24 hour high: 521.79, 24 hour vwap: 500.762394477
kakobrekla: its over, we can pack and go home put ba to +m.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.298 = 0.894 BTC [+]
assbot: PSA: got hacked yesterday | Great Wall of Numbers
assbot: On the Sovereignty of CryptoCurrencies -- What Bitcoin can Learn from Somaliland
mircea_popescu: it's not just preston byrne or this or that derp. it's about a hundred of them by now, and as the old saying goes : the problem with this world is that while smart people are hesitant, government shills are full of words.
assbot: I guess that makes me a Tory | Preston Byrne
mircea_popescu: ECDSA is imperfect. The hunt for the perfect mining algo is ongoing; Bitcoin’s in particular has proven to be a tremendous waste of electricity, the process little more than an environmentally harmful race to the bottom. The protocol supports a mere 7 transactions per second. Protocol development has been difficult to implement on account of the centralisation of mining power and community inertia. "
mircea_popescu: that's what teh boys got. how well bitcoin integrates (ie, how well some usg twerps nobody takles seriously have pretended to integrate with their puppet masters. herp.) and how unsovereign it is.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the guy's "business partner" drones all about how "you gotta live in real anarchy". because totally nobody ever did it outside of his dumb american ass, being leeched by some somalis for a few years.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33846 @ 0.00073432 = 24.8538 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: somalia would exist if not for the us decolonizing everything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.00642887 = 0.6429 BTC [+] {6}
decimation: mircea_popescu: surely you do not mean these guys receive paychecks from usg. plenty of people shill in the hope that they can get scraps from the master's table
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is resulting in an article, so. gimme an hour here.
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin i don't like you enough to pm. and no, not really. you can comment on it once it's done.
assbot: I guess that makes me a Tory | Preston Byrne
usg_press_machin: I've been following the logs for a couple of months and figured it was a good opportunity to pop in.
ben_vulpes: do you have a gpg key? a bitcoin address?
decimation: asciilifeform: re: tax-farming :: in Maryland there is such a thing as 'ground rent' - 'landlord' can sell land from under your house if you don't pay
ben_vulpes: surely if you're derping about bitcoin you've access to a privkey.
gribble: Nick 'usg_press_machin', with hostmask 'usg_press_machin!6b033f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.3.63.44', is not identified.
gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00073057 = 8.4016 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: i recommend a better handle tho, lest you get stuck with that one.
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin just how often do you check them hits ?
decimation: usg_press_machin: I assume you are dying to give us pro usg propaganda?
usg_press_machin: Roughly every thirty seconds or so, I spend my life glued to the computer.
usg_press_machin: But I suspect we're not that far off - did you all watch that "Declaration of Independence" video?
decimation: What exactly do you mean by "ECDSA is not perfect. "
usg_press_machin: But from a more practical perspective, some of the tools people use to interact with the blockchain e.g. brain wallets or faulty random number generators are weak points.
decimation: you seem to confuse "widespread adoption" with "powerful"
mircea_popescu: <usg_press_machin> Surely it can't be that easy. << why not ?!
mircea_popescu: <usg_press_machin> But from a more practical perspective, some of the tools people use to interact with the blockchain e.g. brain wallets or faulty random number generators are weak points. << how do you figure this has anything to do with ecdsa ?
mircea_popescu: you can kill yourself with paracetamol too, doesn't make paracetamol faulty.
mircea_popescu: i keep forgetting about that and then talking at meanwhile devoiced ppls.
usg_press_machin: Thanks mircea. Re WoT was just joshing around. Re: brain wallets etc., the point is that Bitcoin is as much a product of its users as it is the blockchain.
usg_press_machin: Maybe. But the question is, do you want the derps to use it at all
mircea_popescu: bycicling isn;t a functon of people who can't ride bikes either. do you want more people to ride bykes ?
mircea_popescu: to quote an old timer, "i have no idea, [you] just wandered in here one day and started talking"
atcbot: 0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 129090.06 in 1979 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.13
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a normal function of the adult mind, like writing, or like fucking. you're not into these for anything other than you know, being an adult, being alive, doing the things that there are.
BingoBoingo: 44389, Almost 7 hours ago... I'm not sure ATC bot' %tslb... quite works...
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
BingoBoingo: I guess it's time to trade paper ATC IOU's (maybe joking?)
usg_press_machin: So what's wrong with doing bitcoin while... say, obeying the law and paying taxes?
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with having sex while not getting an erection ?
mircea_popescu: there is definitely something wrong if trying to present that as anything but fucking weird.
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, some people can't. which is fine. but don't go around claiming impotence as a virtue.
usg_press_machin: But this is the thing with my question about asking why you're into bitcoin.
usg_press_machin: If you're into it to go to the moon - mass adoption (hence legal frameworks) are key
usg_press_machin: if you're into it to fight the state, then go for it, I can respect that viewpoint.
assbot: Venture Capitalists Get Paid Well to Lose Money - Diane Mulcahy - Harvard Business Review
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin if you read the logs, you've seen how well this entire "try and force mp into our preconceived headboxes" worked before.
decimation: bitcoin doesn't need anyone to have an opinion or thought about it in order to exist
BingoBoingo: usg_press_machin: There's at least 800 different alternatives to your two presented options and there are 796 of those alternatives are compatible with at least one other option. GO! Math!
decimation: bitcoin has already gone to the moon, some of the world hasn't figured that out yet
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?
assbot: certificate transparency for PGP? | discrete blogarithm
decimation: the fact that he says that the cryptography is old (and therefore bad) pretty much explains his cryptographic chops
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's so lulzy, the crap these people publish. "o i hate pgp, it's too secure, pls to use centrally distributed keys, so much lightyears better"
decimation: but mircea_popescu, you are leaving out the masses
mircea_popescu: sorry asciilifeform sorry chan. behind on my reading it seems
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And they completely forget that if you NEED end to end encryption... A key exchange is happening privately nomatter what yahoo or Gmaul's shit insists on
mircea_popescu: as if you know, plaintext mail isn't end to end encrypted. why not ? i do it all the time.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> but mircea_popescu, you are leaving out the masses << Is that what you want the oncologist to do?
mircea_popescu: by now i can sorta distinguish the noobs from the veterans because the noobs send me gpg blobs with "Content-Type: multipart/mixed;" mixed in, whereas the veterans just neatly paste the pgp in the email body.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: tell me about it i had a dev send me an ssh key in a fancy attachment the other day
mircea_popescu: "The lack of transparent key management in PGP isn't unfixable. For those who don't trust Google or Yahoo, there are experimental systems like Keybase.io that attempt to tie keys to user identities."
decimation: I would agree with his point that the pgp protocol is complex, but I suspect that anything that tries to solve the same problems will have similar complexity
mircea_popescu: please get me some anti-eyeroll tape i might strain something.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: dunno if you're into this sort of thing but if you grabbed the logline in question with the same js that does the highlighting and slammed it into <title></title> would it show up for assbot to read directly into the chan?
ben_vulpes: mind you i have no idea how assbot renders pages internally
ben_vulpes: or if there are less retarded ways to accomplish same
mircea_popescu: "(Let's not get into the NSA's collect-it-all policy for encrypted messages. If the NSA is your adversary just forget about PGP.)" << best part :D
ben_vulpes: now if !s stuff defaulted to ignoring bots as well...
mircea_popescu: "A proper approach to key management. This could be anything from centralized key management as in Apple's iMessage -- which would still be better than nothing -- to a decentralized (but still usable) approach like the one offered by Signal or OTR. Whatever the solution, in order to achieve mass deployment, keys need to be made much more manageable or else submerged from the user altogether."
mircea_popescu: how the fuck am i going to make gilded business cards then ?
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes url hash tags dont get sent to the server.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12717 @ 0.00072297 = 9.194 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: if the js that highlights the line also alters the title node would assbot be able to read that title?
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin but anyway, a secondary point to your " obeying the law and paying taxes?" is that if you happen to be obeying the "laws" of a terrorist organisation and giving it money, you may end up in hot water with a lot of people.
kakobrekla: there are ways to execute js w/o a browser but that is kinda silly.
mircea_popescu: there's no rule of nature that says the us can never be so identified. for those people who do make that identification, you're a criminal.
usg_press_machin: mircea_popescu yes but I don't think paying taxes to the USG - no matter what the USG does - is Nuremberg material.
ben_vulpes: another good idea dies on the spikes of pressed shitboard
mircea_popescu: the future is eminently unknowable. i for one am definitely going to push for hangings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00072316 = 18.9468 BTC [+] {2}
usg_press_machin: It's a question of legal convention. Paying legal taxes to a legally installed government has never, ever been considered a war crime. I'll take my chances
kakobrekla: it would be prolly better to detect log url, parse it and just go after the line directly in db
mircea_popescu: here's the legal convention : anyone who worked for the tsar in any capacity, 20 years diging ice in siberia.
mircea_popescu: and as to "never ever" : pre nurenberg, this trying of a foreign power's officers and ministers had also never ever happened.
mircea_popescu: in short : your notion that sitting with the usg is safe and joining the rebels is dangerous is fundamentally broken. sitting with the usg is safe except if the rebels get the upper hand.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the situation is in fact quite symmetrical, whichever side you're on the other will prolly not like it.
mircea_popescu: well, inasmuch as someone';s breaking the law and not paying taxes, yes. that'd be the definition of a rebellion.
usg_press_machin: I'd disagree - that'd be protest. Rebellion implies something a bit more organised, serious, and threatening.
mircea_popescu: how's this formal approach to things worked for you so far ?
mircea_popescu: to me it sounds kinda like "a movie can't be good if it doesn't have car chases and those anti-physical sparks bullets make in hollywood"
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mircea_popescu: (but it rests me at ease to hear from the usg_press_machine itself that crypto is no longer armament)
usg_press_machin: Thanks Mircea. I think crypto has a place to carve out individual privacy, but I don't think it necessarily follows that the only option is to view the relationship in terms of conflict. Reading now
ben_vulpes: pity those of us fighting for sovereignty
mircea_popescu: not like it's exactly a mystery what definitions i use :D
usg_press_machin: If "sovereign" means "monopoly on the use of force" or determining how force should be used, I'm in the camp that the state makes that call. There should be exceptions and limitations, and it's the task of politically active people to make sure those lines reflect their views.
mircea_popescu: you can be in any camp you want, because with bitcoin what camp you're in dun matter anymore.
justusranvier: Point of order: "the state" doesn't exist. People exist, buildings exist, guns exist, drones exist.
usg_press_machin: I mean, it's not a reified critter, definitely. But it qua legal fiction certainly exists - it's an abstraction.
justusranvier: "the state" is an excuse one group of people make up to explain why their crimes are actually virtuous
usg_press_machin: I think it was Hannah Arendt who pointed it out - "bureaucracy is rule by nobody"
mircea_popescu: well bureaucracy needs to control the money, and so that's the end of that.
mircea_popescu: the state as a voluntary association, all they who choose and wish to pay taxe sand obeys the law is what we have here already.
justusranvier: Murder is murder, no matter what kind of costume somebody wears. "The state" is the lie that a magic costume can turn murder into "public policy" or some other such nonsense.
justusranvier: True, there will always be murders. What can be ended is the myth that murder isn't evil just because somebody drapes a fancy title on themselves and cloaks their actions in euphamisms
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18821 @ 0.00072497 = 13.6447 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's also never going away. if i thought the victim was kinda cool i'd not have killed them. once i killed them, obviously i will go on thinking they sucked.
justusranvier: The myth has nothing to do with the mindset of the murder - it's about everbody else.
mircea_popescu: the salem trials is the convenient case study here. you can decry them as "incipient government establishing itself the way government establiushes itself all time, all places : through murder". but just as well... people kill, and some killers are persuasive.
justusranvier: Psychopaths gonna psycho in any situation. The current situation is that when certain psychopaths put on the right costume, all of a sudden something flips in everybody else's brains wherein they regard the actions of the psychopath in completely oppostie moral terms.
mircea_popescu: well ok, so now we can agree, the problem is the red tape.
mircea_popescu: "this isn't a good apple because its not fda approved" "have you tasted it ?" "i don't need to"
mircea_popescu: has nothing to do with murder. everything to do with college degrees, global warming and so on.
usg_press_machin: I think the problem is that governments can do nasty things. We each have our own way of dealing with it. I do so within the rules the system sets out; MP does it his own way. Different approaches.
mircea_popescu: that ~used~ to be the problem, before we met, for many years.
mircea_popescu: the reason we met is because for a few years that is no longer the problem.
mircea_popescu: the problem now is that government has no further reason to exist and no means of supporting itself.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3557 @ 0.00072752 = 2.5878 BTC [+]
usg_press_machin: mircea_popescu if you're ever in London drop a line. Would be happy to thrash this out over a beer sometime.
mircea_popescu: i hate london, and why do you think a pub somewhere'd be a better venue ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Doping your drink in London though might be the USG's one chance to try to rape you for a change
usg_press_machin: Ha! Not necessarily a better one. But as BingoBoingo pointed out, USG shillery always better in person
BingoBoingo: In mean those drones with their extradition bombs and all that jazz
BingoBoingo: The slavegirls mounting a rescue op to reverse-extradite
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've been following his forum trolling a bit, some decent reads
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BingoBoingo swears the only thing worse than netsplits is netreunions
assbot: Is Anyone Using Bitcoin Yet?
mircea_popescu: speaking of specialised hardware, anyone got a box somewhere they want to rent me ?
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
ben_vulpes has estimated the roi on renting hashes for atc
mircea_popescu: yeah, most of them had enough sense to get in the wot. kinda my point there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00072509 = 12.8341 BTC [-]
decimation: "what part is complex [of pgp]" << when I do a gpg --list-packets --verbose < pubkey I find much that I desire to be documented
decimation: asciilifeform: do you know of a document that gives a detailed description of the innards of gpg file formats etc?
assbot: Bitcoin sites leaked :( - Big bitcoin members emails database
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think that this protocol could be made to be more simple?
assbot: [MySQL] Bitcoin Database Hacked - more than 4500 emails/pass free - Pastebin.com
decimation: asciilifeform: I presume you are going to dump support for useless cryptos and compressions, etc?
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
decimation: it seems to me that the cli for signing subkeys is less straightforward than it could be as well
decimation: asciilifeform: no, that's a complaint about the gpg user interface
ben_vulpes: somewhere between "its possible but a nightmare" and "all defaults configured for you" is zen ui
assbot: Mining Rig Rentals | Rigs
Blazedout419: never seen any rentals at the 1 PH rate though lol
gribble: Current Blocks: 315850 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 661 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 22 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23348390265.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.34166
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00072323 = 12.8373 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.
Blazedout419: mircea_popescu you just rent and point them where you want
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 129090.06 in 1979 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.13
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 167538378.251 / 1.9729645940577133E10 * 1878190.93
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35801 @ 0.00072733 = 26.0391 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 167538378.251 / 1.9729645940577133 * 10 **10 * 1878190.93
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 167538378.251 / 1.9729645940577133 / 10 **10 * 1878190.93
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.01284889 = 0.938 BTC [+] {6}
decimation: some environmental concern troll should write a blog about how asic mining will make the blockchain green, because it will be more thermally efficient
mircea_popescu: i look forward to the day random derps all over the us can't afford internet derpage anymore because bitcoin competition has made electricity too expensive.
decimation: heh. what they don't 'fairly' compare is the cost of transacting business in usd
decimation: in some states the electric rates might be competitive, but then you pays your taxes...
decimation: I know a guy who was mining in hawaii with $0.3 kWh rates
decimation: maybe you think you can 'time' the arrival of the NKVD
decimation: hopefully we can be on the same gasenwagen to the sharashka then ascii :)
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I think of moldbug's post on hubristic user interfaces when I think of bad UI
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19897 @ 0.00072951 = 14.5151 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 14 minutes and 24 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9507 @ 0.00073062 = 6.946 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22591 @ 0.00073141 = 16.5233 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1873 @ 0.00073169 = 1.3705 BTC [+]
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.18 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.36 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
atcbot: 1 minutes and 25 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00073331 = 39.2321 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 117934.75 in 1978 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.72
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.83 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00073341 = 6.8941 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Blazedout419: I guess this rent a rig can work
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
Blazedout419: I need to move my miners and rent them out...pays a lot more
BingoBoingo: WHY is this pool paying me change when my hash is finding blocks!!! Mining is a scam!!!
BingoBoingo: Am I paying off ancient debts this pool owes to its loyal miners and all of their 0.03 Terahash?
decimation: yeah all of those miners except one would lose the tenant money (mining bitcoin) ... one wonders if there are 'other motivations' to mine...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20809 @ 0.00073218 = 15.2359 BTC [-] {3}
decimation: mining returns about 25 satoshis per megahash per day, prices start at 28.5 satoshi per megahash per day for daily terms...
Blazedout419: Every new miner sold will not likely ROI or turn a profit...yet they sell out over and over
BingoBoingo: Well, this is ATC if that makes any difference
decimation: yeah I guess if you can mine altcoin it might make more sense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18070 @ 0.00072978 = 13.1871 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6423 @ 0.00072951 = 4.6856 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: decimation: I just did rent X hash for Y time and pointed it at a pool. Have no idea how the pool figures payouts
assbot: Dogecoin Community Burning Currency for Dogeparty » CryptoCoinsNews
ben_vulpes: hey that's enough to keep a guy afloat in bsas for a few months at least
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gribble: I currently have notes waiting for aldur1, benkay, birdman, bitcodernoob, coinfire, D-Dimer, davetherave, dotcoin, eggbot, everyone, jcpham, Kingdom, mariogrip, mexual, mike_c, netsplit, nubbins, pete_dushenki, randywaterhouse, Retro, RetroUpriser, Rozal, the, ThickasTheives, thickasthieves, TimSwanson, trustedcoinhu, tysat, vexual, and yotagada.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00072486 = 14.3885 BTC [-]
benkay: well there's a neat little hole in gribble
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00072442 = 9.0915 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
benkay: ;;gpg info davetherave
benkay: ;;gpg info randywaterhouse
benkay: ;;bcinfo randywaterhouse
gribble: Error: "bcinfo" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: nanotube: ^^ you probably know about this one but have a bit of disclosure anyways
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00273289 = 0.6149 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> decimation: I just did rent X hash for Y time and pointed it at a pool. Have no idea how the pool figures payouts << you mining atc or btc ?
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> hey that's enough to keep a guy afloat in bsas for a few months at least << the theory that doge is worth dollars, as in over 1, is still lulzy.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway the idea of a pool is that you share your stuff
BingoBoingo: So far for contributing 99%+ of the hash that solved 2 blocks I recieved... 24 ATC... P2Pool powered pools are weird
mircea_popescu: so you don't get any credit for what you find, merely for the hashes.
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd rather not have some shady rented hash pointed directly at my altcoind
dignork: BingoBoingo: it's normal, you get payouts delayed, protection mechanism to avoid pool hopping or w/e
mircea_popescu: anyway, since you're using friendly ppl i wouldn't much expect actual scam
mircea_popescu: tho thinking about it i dun recall who's running coinminer
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 120772.86 in 1977 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.57
BingoBoingo: I think just whatever altcoin person running pools that found Altcoin on the forum first
dignork: BingoBoingo: for 8 hours run i'm not sure it's worth it, but it's actually pretty easy to set a temp stratum server, and point miners there.
BingoBoingo: Both happened after I fired this thing up and the pool's previous hash was 0.03 Th/s
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 0.015 BTC, It's a loss, but an educational one.
BingoBoingo: The rig advertises 1.4, but it's been reporting ~1.32-1.55, not very stable this beast
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.55 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 minutes and 30 seconds ago: <thickasthieves> ;;ping
BingoBoingo: decimation: Before or after I rented this?
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
decimation: so 32 satoshis per day per megahash, not a bad price
decimation: the lesson is that if you have access to mining hardware your best move is to rent it out, not use it for your own hashing
nubbins`: [03:11:08] benkay is now known as thickasthieves
nubbins`: [03:11:09] <+thickasthieves> ;;ping
pete_dushenski: apparently i was on such a roll, putting other canadian boy in his place, that i've earned the title "sassbot"
pete_dushenski: nao i just need to sort out what sassbot, the real bot that is, can do for b-a...
pete_dushenski: As an outsider, it is (anthropologically) interesting to watch a bunch of (predominantly) white (predominantly) Americans (and Canadians) purport to claim that an interesting payment protocol will solve world peace, governmental overreach, and all the other ills of modernity. << as an insider, i find his use of brackets (fucktarded)
mircea_popescu: "as a derp bathing in the lake, i find it interesting to pretend like the lake fauna is pretending to be the whole world. anthropologically!"
mircea_popescu: "i don't speak anything but english and english is mostly spoken in north america. i find this statistically interesting!"
pete_dushenski: "as a man stewed in the secular religion of science, let me share with you its inner workings"
pete_dushenski: "having completed an undergrad degree in north americanism, i'm uniquely qualified"
mircea_popescu: "let me tell you what i think of all the things i know nothing about. it's the reddinternet!"
pete_dushenski: "as long as i have my keyboard, i have my freedom and justice will prevail"
pete_dushenski: other than, perhaps, another derp knocking pgp… moments before stepping down from eff
assbot: certificate transparency for PGP? | discrete blogarithm
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00072448 = 7.5708 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: "If the NSA is your adversary just forget about PGP." << fucking golden
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know the cryptoderpengineering thing was linked 2x
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18091 @ 0.00072398 = 13.0975 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20826 @ 0.00072495 = 15.0978 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18707 @ 0.0007257 = 13.5757 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: German Startup Says Its New Chip Halves Bitcoin Mining Energy - Digits - WSJ
assbot: China opens $2-billion extension of controversial Tibet railway| Reuters
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 341 @ 0.001585 = 0.5405 BTC [-] {2}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 126204.18 in 1974 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.28
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.51 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
[]bot: Bet placed: 2.40099999 BTC for Yes on "Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014"
http://bitbet.us/bet/877/ Odds: 89(Y):11(N) by coin, 89(Y):11(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.71088674 BTC. Current weight: 10,679.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13034 @ 0.00072584 = 9.4606 BTC [+]
assbot: Bonds? What Bonds? | Liberty RoundTable
mircea_popescu: like, kid doesn't have to go to the forest, cut logs and make a schoolhouse before he can have a basic math class.
mircea_popescu: same kid doesn't have to lay optic cable before he reads silly derpage on the internet.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, it's a give and take sort of deal. it only becomes problematic when fuckwits get a hold of the reins.
mircea_popescu: now if all these noob bloggers would learn to stop using disqus, the world would be such a much better place.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16089 @ 0.00072382 = 11.6455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00072349 = 21.1259 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4648 @ 0.00072349 = 3.3628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00072349 = 8.2116 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00072349 = 7.1987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00072568 = 14.9127 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00072587 = 12.0857 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14508 @ 0.00072341 = 10.4952 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00072577 = 9.0721 BTC [+]
assbot: Is the 52-Week High Momentum Strategy Profitable in the Foreign Exchange Market? by Ahmad Raza, Ben R. Marshall, Nuttawat Visaltanachoti :: SSRN
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00072492 = 20.2978 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00072386 = 9.9169 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4668 @ 0.00072371 = 3.3783 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 325 @ 0.00159982 = 0.5199 BTC [-]
nanotube: ben_vulpes: yea, later tell is for casual messaging only.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.0005085 = 0.5085 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00072438 = 13.9805 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00072311 = 13.8837 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5376 @ 0.00072247 = 3.884 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25303 @ 0.00072438 = 18.329 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00072398 = 12.8868 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9041 @ 0.00072435 = 6.5488 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20385 @ 0.00072398 = 14.7583 BTC [-]
assbot: TSA Harasses Police Chief Entire Police Department Fired | Liberty RoundTable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.00152516 = 1.0676 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7356 @ 0.00072453 = 5.3296 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: Apocalyptic: I fear your email server still doesn't handle greylisting properly :( also, setting up a SPF record would help you not getting greylisted
pankkake: thankfully I can cancel and retry after adding an exception
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00072474 = 13.2627 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76580864 BTC to 13`856 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 16.64032636 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1447 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14474 @ 0.00072551 = 10.501 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: Apocalyptic: nevermind, I finally got the mail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00072577 = 5.9513 BTC [+]
assbot: Boxy and His Leaky Bottle in Ossasepia
jurov: <asciilifeform> [03:48:59] decimation: 'cardano, design and operation' will include a nicely whittled version of 4880. << done by nubbins` ?
copumpkin: damn, I'll have to get a better botnet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26828 @ 0.00072588 = 19.4739 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42380 @ 0.0007242 = 30.6916 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: The Bitcoin Bible: Benjamin Guttmann: 9783732284320: Amazon.com: Books
punkman: wyrdmantis: a simple heuristic is "does $author even WOT?"
wyrdmantis: ahahhah, i already had the answer! thanks man
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell jgarzik you gotta be fucking kidding me with this shit (
https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/500224384536412160). who the fuck are you fooling with this malicious derpage? << this "usable lib" shit is hysterical. look - if you need to use GPG programatically, shell the fuck out to it from whatever you're doing. specify a sane homedir or even better run your application as its own user so it gets its own
ben_vulpes: properly perm'd homedir. if none of the above makes sense, you don't know enough about how computers work to be fucking with gpg. luckily, you'll learn it over the course of a week writing your own wrapper.
ben_vulpes: if over the course of that week you haven't figured it out...
ben_vulpes: you a) can't read documentation and b) don't know how to ask questions.
punkman: ben_vulpes: what's ben-ads written in?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell sgornick you've found my "who's paying attention to me honeypot"! you get a foxcoin
ben_vulpes: punkman: 1377 lines of code, 2103 lines of tests
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16172 @ 0.0007222 = 11.6794 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: ;;ticker --market bcent --currency eur
gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 387.0, Best ask: 394.99999999, Bid-ask spread: 8.00000, Last trade: 399.0, 24 hour volume: 71.63193613, 24 hour low: 370.0, 24 hour high: 400.0, 24 hour vwap: 380.18933299
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
gribble: Current Blocks: 315956 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 555 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 7 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23410296459.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.65543
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13463 @ 0.00072255 = 9.7277 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14730 @ 0.00072209 = 10.6364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00072209 = 11.6618 BTC [-]
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.28 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
mircea_popescu: they're nuts with those things, i've seen them advertised with lanky adolescent legs, with cars i think,
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if argentines think alfajores are mana.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 135991.25 in 1968 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -92.76
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so your 1.5 bitcents bought like 10 blocks ?
BingoBoingo: Well, 1900 and more coming if this pools ever solves moar blocks. Apparently I get paid later
mircea_popescu: i'm game. you're authorised to spend 1 btc mpif funds to rent atc hashpower, which includes cover for the prev 1.5 btc.
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: another few bitcents to keep that thing going won't be anyone's concern. maybe see if you can contact the rig owner or w/e. wriggle it in.
mircea_popescu: and in any case have stuff ready to go once diff drops, keep it sort-of level.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00072321 = 15.2236 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "It looked like a pile of numbered cubes as it bobbed gently and flew over the landscape and under the sea. It was Boxy and it had not a worry in the world nor in his head, for his head had holes shaped like one, two, three… But it had no purpose either and so it was in search of a purpose that he explored the whole land of Eulora – a land that was just learning to be."
BingoBoingo: dignork: How does this setting up a stratum server work?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sent him a PM on the forum
mircea_popescu: for some reason i thought someone in the wot was running an atc pool.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There's also Pity the Pool, but they... are reporting 0 hash
BingoBoingo: Haven't mined it yet but I'll point a trickle there to see if they report anything... Once I make an account as I am nao
diana_coman: any pointers to figure out atc? I have no idea on it, lol
diana_coman: any part, I know nothing more about it than that I won 500 of it lol
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it's just a direct btc clone, really. you can even use btc addresses for it.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 221 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 5k High: 188 Low: 188 VWAP: 188
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 135991.25 in 1968 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -92.76
diana_coman: uh oh, then...why ? I'm fine with btc, lol
Chris_Sabian: ThickAsThieves started it as a CoinGen bitcoin clone in late january 2014. people have been mining since then. they are worth about 200 satoshi
diana_coman: mircea_popescu ahh, now I remember something from the logs, I had rather skipped it though so far as not-on-my-list
Chris_Sabian: not sure if there has been any development on atc or if there will ever be
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
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atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
mod6: not the predicted 93% of the broken bitcoin-asset bot. << dick. this number comes from atc.blockr.io
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00072189 = 9.3846 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: mod6 he has a point, it doesn't move more than 4x either way on a recalibration
mircea_popescu: however, it's purely academic. so it takes more blocks. same deal.
mod6: mircea_popescu: maybe so. the bot just reports what it's handed. just trying to defend my code's honor so to speak. lol
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.19 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
railzand: Thank you Mr P. I'm the idiot who broke altcoin. I beg your forgiveness
☟︎ railzand: I pointed 12.5 T at it on a stratum server
mircea_popescu: well not rly, just, get diff more in line with mkt value
railzand: Is that my punishment? I am but a poor peon...
railzand: Yes rented from a guy who knows how to do all that
railzand: I made .2x real coin and 43000 alt
mircea_popescu: anyway, so get the guy in question to come here. we were looking for someone to rent from anyway
☟︎ railzand: X-Rob saw me through the raping of altcoin
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X-Rob: However, full disclosure, etc, I'm the guy who caused all that shitstorm with that new unattainum scamcoin
X-Rob: Let's just leave it like that then
X-Rob: (that was the correct answer)
assbot: unattanium scamcoin - Google Search
X-Rob: IT's actually Unattainium
X-Rob: however, you can look through my bct ('xrobau') profile for me trying to argue with idiots. I gave up, however.
gribble: Nick 'railzand', with hostmask 'railzand!sid39942@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mjuerwktzpwyvmkj', is identified as user 'railzand', with GPG key id 449DCE0C3F3952EA, key fingerprint 1CFAF95FA34862FCD62A33A3449DCE0C3F3952EA, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00072216 = 3.2497 BTC [+] {2}
X-Rob: That's meant to be 13, but a couple of S2s are running slow
X-Rob: so I downspecced it.
X-Rob: I can organise larger hashrates if you want
mircea_popescu: but i guess the lower one would work. how'd you feel about a longer term deal ? willing to move on the price a little ?
X-Rob: Depends on how long you want it for
kakobrekla: if there isnt a significant discount you are better off to rehire every diff change hehe
assbot: Bitcoin Mining Calculator
X-Rob: that says 2 months = 2btc for 1.7
X-Rob: I'm happy to lease for that
X-Rob: We can do it all through leaserig so you can control where it points
X-Rob: 3 months is.. unwise.
X-Rob: nah, I just rent my gear through there
mircea_popescu: X-Rob well, i dun know em, i dun trust em, and we have a similar problem : you're not in the wot.
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: uh I am?
X-Rob: I'm not anonymous.
X-Rob: I have a reputation thread
assbot: xrobau Reputation thread.
X-Rob: I'm actually away at my inlaws this weekend
mircea_popescu: so like 2.269 satoshi/day or did i just broke the maths ?
X-Rob: and the kids are now up and want to play minecraft on the laptop
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: use the link I pasted
assbot: Bitcoin Mining Calculator
X-Rob: anyway, toodles 8-)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00072159 = 12.3392 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: I guess I could just put a line in there to set the % est. diff change to -75% of less than that number is received from the source.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because they can't afford to pay smart people enough.
mod6: that seems like a shitton of power for one chip mp O.o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23921 @ 0.00072431 = 17.3262 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: mod6 he has 6 of em. they're rated 280ish to 310ish ea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's provably false : if they did, you'd know what the definition of aryan is.
mircea_popescu: you're trying to sell this conceptual model where in alt-nazi germany one can be hung for being a jew ONLY IF working as a clerk.
mircea_popescu: For those that are unaware, Unattanium is a newish limited-number-of-coins SHA coin. They've recently had to fork the chain, because the difficulty calculations were broken, and it went far too high. Sadly, they've now broken it in the other direction, and the dev seems intent on ignoring this, and abusing or hand-waving the problems away. It's now running at an 8 second block time. For everyone who is NOT facepalming
mircea_popescu: right now, this is faster than blockchain propagation. Basically, it will be amazingly difficulty for the coin to agree on a valid chain, because there will be any number of chains that are almost the same length.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu how do I get my crafting prize and is there a time limit for that (to know how much time I have to figure out the basics of altcoin)?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the stuff that was leaked so far mostly follows the "brain percentage" criterion.
mircea_popescu: the stuff you want to know about, three people know. unless one of them is the source, it's not leaking.
mod6: ;;rate diana_coman 1 Won Eulora Crafting Prize
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user diana_coman has been recorded.
gribble: Time since last block: 50 minutes and 36 seconds
mircea_popescu: you'll find much less pituitary cells in a random biopsy than muscle tissue
diana_coman: ;;rate mod6 1 graceful competitor for Eulora Crafting Prize
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me put it some other way. wouldn't you expect that if mp is conversant in pgp, so would be obama ?
mircea_popescu: so that people couldn't like, you knoiw, steal his selfies from his plaintext gmail acct ?
mod6: diana_coman: np! good work :)
mircea_popescu: you're possibly the most mystically inclined engineer i know.
mircea_popescu: i foresee that when you;ll be old you'll write a great kids book.
mircea_popescu: the notion that there exists an unseen reality behind the seen reality, whether right or wrong, is the very substance of mysticism.
mircea_popescu: it somewhat shares the fate of "frustration" in the hands of popidiocy. but outside of what the reddit horde thinks, frustration is a major psychological process, the fundament of all volitive activity.
mircea_popescu: the gods shall strike us down thing is mere eschatology.
jurov: is there a historical example of such a mastermind?
jurov: that falls into mastermind definition too, you know
mircea_popescu: the sadest fate in the world would be for such a set to exist, ina bunker somewhere.
mircea_popescu: imagine if you went to hibernate like a bear, and when you came through all your shit was broken and unresponsive.
jurov: how would the graybearded dude be able even remotely comprehend all the intelligence?
jurov: even mircea with all his minions says it's unlikely
jurov: but you imply he needs to pull strings in addition to that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a brain devoid of spinal chord can not work.
mircea_popescu: your "mastermind", provided he exists, is drunk and insane.
jurov: so now we know what stan's fapping to
jurov: handmade optical cpus
mircea_popescu: it's not plausible. it is entertaining, but it lacks a fundamental point for plausibility :
mircea_popescu: while in principle any configuration is as possible as any other, the configuration you propose is mod2. ie, if the cell index is odd, cell is dead, if not, alive.
mircea_popescu: if you take "meaning" as a rough equivalent for entalpy, your thing is too meaningful to exist.
mircea_popescu: your hypotethical is a brain in a jar separated from a pile of muscle in a barrel.
mircea_popescu: which both, independently, work, for the greater glory of theoretical abstraction
mircea_popescu: this is directly contradictory to how the world works, and specifically because your abstract objects tend to be contextless, which requires too large an expenditure of "meaning" for them to exist.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00072126 = 12.4417 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: which makes jurov's fap observation quite on point : you're not describing a real, live human female here, you're describing a mythological beast abstracted out of miles of pr0nz reel.
mircea_popescu: well counterfactuals are problematic, but let's see if you can get painted into a corner.
mircea_popescu: we are already accepting your hypothesis, im asking you q's as if your h was reality.
mircea_popescu: what keeps central government from investigating this vault as a possible alien landing site ?
mircea_popescu: but if they are not in power absolutely, what keeps central government from investigating this vault as a possible alien landing site ?
mircea_popescu: tales tend to all go alike for the reason that they're tales.
mircea_popescu: you're doing the psychic thing now, where you try to flee the experiment.
mircea_popescu: well, either the SU keepers are in (absolute) power, or else they are not.
mircea_popescu: if they are not, the number of problems that appear is overwhelming.
mircea_popescu: if they are, then they have had to have kept it historically. this is also overwhelming.
mircea_popescu: this is why the government needs both the power to kill people and the power to inflate the currency,
mircea_popescu: and this is why wrestling any away is enough to kill the thing.
mircea_popescu: now, in usual high fiction this is resolved as a bizarre order of sworn monks and so on
mircea_popescu: but mind ye that all through the middle ages about half the bastards were sons of monks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, but then <mircea_popescu> does everybody know about it ?
MolokoDeck: wondering what method(s) you had in mind for placing arbitrary hashes into the blockchain.
MolokoDeck: i'm not sure a wallet API is adequate to sculpt transaction scripts to insert data. they're usually constrained to sending payments. bitcoind RPC calls would be needed for anything exotic.
assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck if the worst comes to worst, hash it into a bitcoin address and send there.
MolokoDeck: burn the minimum transaction fee/size sure.
MolokoDeck: was considering something that popped an invalid address then dismissed it before doing the actual spend. sort of a address=hashdata, oops, address=actualwalletaddress
MolokoDeck: I'd have to look more into how the stack language handles that or whether that's even doable with the restricted opcode set.
MolokoDeck: ok. I'll keep looking into it. solutions exist.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1800 @ 0.00159967 = 2.8794 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck actually i like the model whereby the actual string to certify is hashed as a privkey then made into a bitcoin address then have a little something sent there
mircea_popescu: because anyone can spend the something, and in so doing super-prove the whole charade.
ben_vulpes: find the correct string, spend the btc!
ben_vulpes: could be a neat implementation for your next cryptogram, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck and also there's no cruft, perfectly standard tx, can use any webwallet, it's perfect. look no further, this is what i want.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i considered it but it'd kinda make it only 1 guy.
assbot: maraoz/proofofexistence GitHub
chetty: <ben_vulpes> find the correct string, spend the btc!//souds better than rolling dice games :))
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00072069 = 12.4679 BTC [-]
assbot: Unattanium: Broken by design. | Bitcointa.lk
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20567 @ 0.00072098 = 14.8284 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so since i like you now, you can have 2 btc for the 2 month aus3 miner contract.
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I'll be home in about 4 hours or so
X-Rob: I'll set it up with you them
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: sign up with a lease rig account
X-Rob: They do all that stuff for me
X-Rob: You pay them, however often you want
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: hrm. How are you planning on controlling the rig then?
mircea_popescu: i was thinking of gving you a pool to point at and forgetting about it.
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: well, if that's all you want, no problems
dignork: last few hours it was offline, but in general it's solo
assbot: pocesar/node-stratum GitHub
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.87 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.0007205 = 2.9541 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: dignork honestly i think i'd rather use a pool. get some of that reaganomics trickle down effect going.
dignork: mircea_popescu: I ran it this way to play with the technology, economical/game theory considerations are not so important for me on alt.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6259 @ 0.00072098 = 4.5126 BTC [+]