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assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 76 @ 0.01776 = 1.3498 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 21 @ 0.00999 = 0.2098 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.009999 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00072146 = 2.6333 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0248888 = 0.1244 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.024658 = 0.2219 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 6 @ 0.000706 = 0.0042 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 140 @ 0.01 = 1.4 BTC [+]
furuknap: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 119.16604, Best ask: 119.23886, Bid-ask spread: 0.07282, Last trade: 119.16604, 24 hour volume: 101106.07997732, 24 hour low: 115.00000, 24 hour high: 130.10000, 24 hour vwap: 121.91708
furuknap: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 119.16604, Best ask: 119.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03396, Last trade: 117.25001, 24 hour volume: 101930.09466716, 24 hour low: 115.00000, 24 hour high: 130.10000, 24 hour vwap: 121.89230
thestringpuller: GAME OF THRONES!
thestringpuller: WOOT
thestringpuller: WOOT
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.024657 = 0.1479 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.024657 = 0.0986 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0248878 = 0.1244 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.024657 = 0.2712 BTC [-]
fiat500: thestringpuller: SHEEEET
fiat500: right now?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02449 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 94 @ 0.0244888 = 2.3019 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.0244888 = 0.8571 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0244 = 0.0976 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 13 @ 0.02435021 = 0.3166 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 29 @ 0.0248878 = 0.7217 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.024655 = 0.1233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00072486 = 2.0296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 671 @ 0.00072146 = 0.4841 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4929 @ 0.00072112 = 3.5544 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 99 @ 0.01 = 0.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00072428 = 3.1144 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4399 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0248799 = 0.0995 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0245 = 0.1225 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.47877 = 4.9575 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4788 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.4789 = 12.3945 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024653 = 0.074 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02487 = 0.0746 BTC [-]
furuknap: Love this: http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/despite_the_rumors_i_am_not_satoshi_nakamoto.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02451 = 0.098 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 24 @ 0.02450001 = 0.588 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0245 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 86 @ 0.0245 = 2.107 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.02442 = 0.1221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 80 @ 0.02442 = 1.9536 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.024654 = 0.5177 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 21 @ 0.4213 = 8.8473 BTC [-]
Neil: 3.0 yrs to next reward halving :)
Neil: I'm expecting May 2015.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.024654 = 0.2219 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024656 = 0.074 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00084 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.4789 = 4.9578 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.024656 = 1.0849 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.024665 = 0.444 BTC [+]
eyetalian: hello how can i purchase on mpex?
ThickAsThieves: you can use this service https://coinbr.com/ref?c=Q9gPSuUvYS
ThickAsThieves: or you can follow the instructions o mpex.co and pay the 30btc fee
eyetalian: thank you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21 @ 0.00072428 = 0.0152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1279 @ 0.00072455 = 0.9267 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: np!
Diablo-D3: hey whats the current valuation of asicminer?
inhies: lots.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.024665 = 0.0987 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: heh
Diablo-D3: DMC monthly report is out
Diablo-D3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg2355025#msg2355025
Diablo-D3: which, btw
Diablo-D3: we've now crossed into profit
KRS-1: is your ipo listed online Diablo
KRS-1: i'd like to look at it
Diablo-D3: KRS-1: the IPO was canceled when GLBSE crashed
Diablo-D3: DMC is going private so it can relaunch
KRS-1: ok
KRS-1: what about GLVSE 2
KRS-1: GLBSEv2
Diablo-D3: there isnt one
KRS-1: oh my bad i thought there was
Diablo-D3: if you're asking what DMC was relisted on, its bitfunder
KRS-1: ok
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024665 = 0.074 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.46 = 12.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.456 = 24.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.455 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.454 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: so at least DMC is now profitable
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.451 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: so no matter what happens after today
Diablo-D3: I still won.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.451 = 14.706 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00072156 = 2.0204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1921 @ 0.00072125 = 1.3855 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13179 @ 0.00072112 = 9.5036 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000706 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024653 = 0.074 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: usagi, ThickAsThieves, Chaang-Noi: ^
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.024062 = 0.1444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3842 @ 0.00072112 = 2.7705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072079 = 3.1145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2007 @ 0.00072078 = 1.4466 BTC [-]
usagi: Profitable is good
usagi: But if you say you won now I'd slap you... thats a concession
usagi: You're conceeding and saying you won without achieving the dream
Diablo-D3: no, I mean I won against nefario
Diablo-D3: he tried to bury dmc and the shareholders, and he didnt win
Diablo-D3: everything that has been paid into it has been paid back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 86 @ 0.0248 = 2.1328 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 47 @ 0.02487 = 1.1689 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.187 = 0.935 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.186 = 0.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.185 = 1.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.184 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 9 @ 0.184 = 1.656 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.183 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.182 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.181 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.024665 = 0.518 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.024669 = 0.8881 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.024686 = 1.0368 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.451 = 7.353 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.024686 = 0.2715 BTC [+]
furuknap: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 239410 | Current Difficulty: 1.2153411709775832E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 239903 | Next Difficulty In: 493 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15080165.2799 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.08174
Diablo-D3: lol
furuknap: Geez
furuknap: Well, there goes every mining bond dream...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.02487 = 0.1244 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.1201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4511 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.451 BTC [-]
ericmuyser: furuknap: that's a fml right there. should dump my preorders and roll the dice at satoshi
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 3 @ 0.0215 = 0.0645 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 3 @ 0.01556 = 0.0467 BTC [-]
ericmuyser: and you already got guys marking up bitfury's from 17btc to 30 or 40btc.. giving it 0.003 per MH, waiting 3+ months, about half of TAT's IPO that's *right now* and still not going to be very profitable. yawn....
ericmuyser: YABMC is 0.0041, also *right now*
Chaang-Noi: soneone just asked me if they can join project #2 my over 100% pool that was closed over 2 eyars ago!
ericmuyser: the only profit soon (kind of now) will be in hosting group buys and your own mining bonds. yup.
Chaang-Noi: he wants to gpu mine with 2ghs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02487 = 0.0497 BTC [+]
Namworld: I can brain-mine at the amazing speed of 1 phy.
Chaang-Noi: you are satoshi returned!
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: did you hear what I said earlier?
Namworld: 1 picohash/year. Will take me 1 trillion year to bother to learn how and calculate an hash with my brain.
Diablo-D3: dmc finally became profitable.
Namworld: Not to be confused with 1 Petahash/yoctosecond
Chaang-Noi: d3, you got lucky on AM stock and broke even for the last investors, but many who invested lost massive amounts, something like that right?
Diablo-D3: not really.
Chaang-Noi: anyway breaking even after 1 year is not really a win
Diablo-D3: breaking even after nefario completely fucked everything up is a win
Chaang-Noi: also did you not want to build your datacenter and mining operation, was that not the goal?
Chaang-Noi: yes, nefario is a fuck wit, but really AM saved your ass here
Diablo-D3: its not that AM saved my ass
Diablo-D3: its that I decided AM was a good investment
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02469 = 0.0494 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: okay, well good job then, congrats:)
Diablo-D3: and I still want to build the DC, but DMC doesnt have enough money for that
Chaang-Noi: understand
Diablo-D3: the real goal of DMC was to make BTC prices go up drastically
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0248001 = 0.0496 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: mision acomplished!
Diablo-D3: not really
Diablo-D3: we never hit $1000.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02469 = 0.0494 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: then, you fail!
Diablo-D3: Im not done yet.
ericmuyser: breaking even from GLBSE debacle looks like a small win
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.024909 = 0.1495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072091 = 3.1151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12379 @ 0.00072078 = 8.9225 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: yeah glbse was a cluster fuck
Chaang-Noi: i still wonder if nefario shut it down to spit me, or spite theymos or just cuz he was crazy, or if he wanted to take the money and run
Namworld: I assume crazy...
Chaang-Noi: he was off and on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2339 = 0.9356 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.024909 = 0.1495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 34 @ 0.024909 = 0.8469 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00876 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.02476 = 0.9904 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.024784 = 0.5205 BTC [+]
ericmuyser: I like how somebody bought 1000 of TAT.VM at 0.007 then sold out at 0.0007. we got dem geniuses up here on bitfunder
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7316 @ 0.00072132 = 5.2772 BTC [+]
eyetalian: how can you make bitcoin prices rise to 1000?
Namworld: You can't
abillionhorses: ive done it b4
eyetalian: what did diablo-d3 mean by that?
Namworld: No idea
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024784 = 0.0744 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 18 @ 0.1094 = 1.9692 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0248001 = 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0248 = 0.0744 BTC [-]
usagi: I always had a feeling that the reason GLBSE shut down is because nefario got hooked on coke
usagi: he was never the same after the conference
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.109945 = 0.2199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.10999 = 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.01 = 0.07 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 18 @ 0.1094 = 1.9692 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.08 = 0.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.08 = 0.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 16 @ 0.00084 = 0.0134 BTC [-]
usagi: <abillionhorses> ive done it b4
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.024784 = 0.1983 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0248 = 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.10999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0007212 = 9.5198 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.024784 = 0.2478 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024787 = 0.0496 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.46 = 17.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.476 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024787 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.476 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02479 = 0.0992 BTC [+]
moonlander: Hello, why is http://bitbet.us/bet/439/bitcoin-bigger-than-obama-in-may/ not resolved yet?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.47 = 4.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.460001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.46 = 9.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.45103 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 2.45102 = 29.4122 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.679899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.448 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 13 @ 0.0215 = 0.2795 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.7676 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.326845 = 0.9805 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.002899 = 0.0087 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.679899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.02479 = 0.3471 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.679899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.0007212 = 2.7406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00072078 = 1.0812 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 67 @ 0.0246 = 1.6482 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.661301 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.6613 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.6501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.02479 = 1.0412 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.024795 = 0.9174 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 12 @ 0.000804 = 0.0096 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.02489 = 0.224 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 14 @ 0.002899 = 0.0406 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024794 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024795 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3014 @ 0.00072078 = 2.1724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00072024 = 1.6566 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5388 @ 0.00072016 = 3.8802 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16540 @ 0.00072001 = 11.909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4608 @ 0.00071866 = 3.3116 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.000839 = 0.0017 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.47699 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.650001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.024795 = 1.0414 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00072132 = 3.2099 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.02489 = 0.4978 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.47699 = 4.954 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.024795 = 0.8182 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.024686 = 1.654 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.0246 = 4.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 834 @ 0.00072132 = 0.6016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4108 @ 0.00072135 = 2.9633 BTC [+]
Andrew____: SELL 5 PUT JUN 115 @ 12 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223626.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3518 @ 0.00072135 = 2.5377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072187 = 3.1192 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8461 @ 0.00072217 = 6.1103 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3329 @ 0.00072217 = 2.4041 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072481 = 3.1319 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3404 @ 0.00072482 = 2.4673 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.02489 = 0.4978 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.0247 = 0.5681 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.024686 = 0.1728 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071989 = 3.1106 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 379 @ 0.00071963 = 0.2727 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 11 @ 0.000839 = 0.0092 BTC [+]
Neil: You know the US is full of w**kers when even TC get forcibly investigated because some whining loser had nothing better to do with their miserable life.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02488 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 48 @ 0.0169 = 0.8112 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 117.00001, Best ask: 117.17689, Bid-ask spread: 0.17688, Last trade: 117.17689, 24 hour volume: 51045.44233672, 24 hour low: 115.00000, 24 hour high: 123.23187, 24 hour vwap: 118.17462
ThickAsThieves: mp, looks like mpex is done for, some guy is manually selling options on the forum using ripple
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.1098 = 0.549 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: was nice knowing you
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 15 @ 0.1099 = 1.6485 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol ty.
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: you know how many peeps have been selling options since 2011 ?
mircea_popescu: for that matter,y ou knwo some guy made a straight clone last year ?
ThickAsThieves: heh
mircea_popescu: i mean literally, exact same design. and then PRETENDED HE DIDN'T CLONE IT
ThickAsThieves: he couldve at least owned it
mircea_popescu: and then he had a team of experts
ThickAsThieves: dont we all?
mircea_popescu: and then he was going to take over
ThickAsThieves: my team is cranking away right behind me
mircea_popescu: and then wasn't heard from again
ThickAsThieves: a team of cats
mircea_popescu: and i can't even remember his name or anything
mircea_popescu: lol a herd of milk cats. for to make cheshire cheez.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072016 = 3.1118 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13329 @ 0.0007201 = 9.5982 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.02489 = 3.7335 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2335 = 0.467 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.2335 = 1.868 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 15 @ 0.08 = 1.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitbet-may-2013-statement/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.0007201 = 12.4937 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 600 @ 0.00149999 = 0.9 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: mp, random idea/question, why not convert mpoe into a merge with your 30btc mpex seats to form a board as one tradable asset
ThickAsThieves: allowing people to sell their mpex seats
ThickAsThieves: but tying dividends to those seats
ThickAsThieves: instead of mpoe
ThickAsThieves: you could then make a cut on the trade of bot "mpoe" and mpex seats
ThickAsThieves: both*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00072048 = 2.1614 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 49 @ 0.0029 = 0.1421 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ties everything into one (i think) elegant setup
mircea_popescu: because there is absolutely no relation between the two concepts ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm saying to make one
ThickAsThieves: i didnt fully bake the idea or anything
mircea_popescu: but this isn't how it works. you don't abstractly create relations between unrelated in fact items
ThickAsThieves: but i think there's a concept in there somewhere
mircea_popescu: what if i went down the street, picked two women and went
mircea_popescu: "hey, you two. you're now married. eat each other out!"
ThickAsThieves: i'm just theorizing that their may be a way to make mpex seats tradable
ThickAsThieves: not offering a total solution
ThickAsThieves: just ideas
__blasty: women eating each other out, I'm all ears
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2335 = 0.467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00072142 = 8.4406 BTC [+]
mjr_: the key issue, is that the "seat" is just a private key...as we know with bitcoins, how do you sell a private key?
deadweasel: 'the key issue'
mjr_: no matter what, there is no way to guarantee that there isn't another copy
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223665
mircea_popescu: ahahaha dude this is the best lolgold
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224057.0
mircea_popescu: death and taxes out of business.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves hey, did you mean the vobyrov dude ?
jurov: yes, him
jurov: it even started funny philosophical debate between me and goat
usagi: If you can change your private key, then it's possible to sell your private key and the buyer can change it to his key
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.02488 = 0.2737 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.024888 = 0.1244 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves hey, did you mean the vobyrov dude ? <<< yessir
mircea_popescu: a, i recall he was bitching about mpoe last summer.
mircea_popescu: "how can you make a loss with those spreads !!11" and other amateruness.
ThickAsThieves: you'd think if he was serious he'd make a real engine
ThickAsThieves: even if i was interested in what he's selling
ThickAsThieves: i don't wanna deal over a forum
ThickAsThieves: nor over ripple
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0249 = 0.6225 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ya well.
jurov: he would sell me C130T equivalent that breaks even at 142. clearly loss is not conceivable.
mircea_popescu: the end of dt is a lot more important news tbh. pretty soon the us will be cut off from btc completely.
mircea_popescu: jurov clearly.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.47345 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i think US just wants all the dataz
ThickAsThieves: as long as every tx goes through ACH
ThickAsThieves: or is under AML/KYC
ThickAsThieves: and under a MSB
ThickAsThieves: then you're fine!
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: this latest event is clear proof this ain't the case. the guy was meticulously keeping track of customers.
mircea_popescu: which is why this is important : proof that no, they don't just want the data.
ThickAsThieves: but he is unlicensed no?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0249 = 0.0996 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: no.
ThickAsThieves: and it was a state that stopped him
ThickAsThieves: not the fed
mircea_popescu: from what i gather (may be wrong)
mircea_popescu: he got the fincen reg and was in the process of licensing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02481 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.474 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4749 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://labs.ft.com/2013/05/a-sobering-day/
mircea_popescu: pretty good read re phishing
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.01822 = 0.1822 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 87 @ 0.02489 = 2.1654 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: talking about fastcash4bitcoins?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.679799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.6798 = 1.3596 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.67995 = 6.1196 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 26 @ 0.67999 = 17.6797 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 45 @ 0.68 = 30.6 BTC [+]
KRS1: Great article Mircea Popescu. Thanks. I have forwarded this on to management in the corporate levels for the company I work for.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02489 = 0.0747 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.02489 = 0.4231 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: lol spamming your boss?
Chaang-Noi: what i your day job?
Chaang-Noi: is
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-]
KRS1: Yeah I send spam but I'm often thanked for it. I'm a sysadmin 14+ yrs..I touch everything from web servers to SAN's and switches, virtualization, I.T. security.
Chaang-Noi: well if you are thanked
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02489 BTC [-]
KRS1: only the good stuff though
Chaang-Noi: having a job, with a boss, sounds like hell to me
Chaang-Noi: i think id rather go to jail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00072206 = 1.769 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.00257 = 0.0051 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: 115 has held for longer than i expected
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.670001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;next
gribble: retracement targets: 125-127 | #bitcoin [Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:33:08 +0000] | tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/139er6E | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle | updated by OneFixt | 20 hours, 39 minutes, and 13 seconds ago
ThickAsThieves: at first i though OneFixt wasn't worth following, but he's turning out to be pretty good at this
Chaang-Noi: he is a smart guy with an asian gf
ThickAsThieves: all boxes ticked
Chaang-Noi: also one of the most mystarious people in btc land
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.016 = 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 23 @ 0.015602 = 0.3588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.015601 = 1.5601 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01556 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.0155 = 0.062 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.015005 = 1.5005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 40 @ 0.015 = 0.6 BTC [-]
KRS1: Chaang-Noi: you said it bro..I'd rather go to hell.. oh wait I'm already there.
mircea_popescu: KRS1 fwiw i don't buy his entire "had the tab open must have acciodentally typed in" theory.
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 10 @ 0.008766 = 0.0877 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 16 @ 0.000706 = 0.0113 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4749 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.02481 = 1.0172 BTC [-]
deadweasel: Make me sad, I loved getting checks in the mail for BTC sales.. felt so good.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [+]
deadweasel: If anyone can beat this it's TC
mircea_popescu: realistically i don't imagine he can justify the costs of so doing.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 8 @ 0.66 = 5.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.687899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.6879 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.689 = 2.756 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.02487 = 0.1492 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00072142 = 3.3185 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9321 @ 0.0007201 = 6.7121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 929 @ 0.00071963 = 0.6685 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00072206 = 4.0796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00072261 = 2.4569 BTC [+]
deadweasel: depends on that cost, I don't think it's been discovered yet. Historically it's probably too high to pursue.
deadweasel: wish we could help.
saulimus: could someone with an account at coinlenders perhaps tell me what the rates are like there?
ThickAsThieves: they have a page
ThickAsThieves: that spells it out
saulimus: hmm, I didn't find it
ThickAsThieves: https://www.coinlenders.com/interest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12892 @ 0.00071963 = 9.2775 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3002 @ 0.00071866 = 2.1574 BTC [-]
saulimus: I was thinking of borrowing, not depositing money to gain interest..
ThickAsThieves: ah
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.024686 = 0.3209 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: probly gives you a good idea tho
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024686 = 0.0741 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: are we still talking about TC?
thestringpuller: The US government is being a poopoo.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.02451 = 0.3186 BTC [-]
saulimus: just noticed btcjam doesn't show APR for the listings, annoying.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.456101 BTC [-]
ericmuys_: nice, your IPO is almost finished eh TAT 8-)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: You were right again about the magical bureaucrat yet again...
thestringpuller: I can't get out of this country fast enough...
mircea_popescu: saulimus afaik it is not open to borrow, it's just tradefortress' private bond.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have a list of countries that view BTC in the same way as romania. As smickles once said: "WoW money".
mircea_popescu: not rly.
thestringpuller: if I compose one would you help edit/publish?
mircea_popescu: but as a general rule of thumb, if they don't speak english they probably don't have the english brain rot either.
mircea_popescu: sounds like a difficult thing, you're not a lawyer. how'd you compose one ?
thestringpuller: Good point. That's why I said "edit" perhaps you can help get more motion behind it. Maybe call it a "safe countries list".
Chaang-Noi: <deadweasel> If anyone can beat this it's TC they will, its a silly charge
mircea_popescu: this is niot how it works. they who are worth millions hire a consultant. those who aren't worth millions pray.
thestringpuller: I was one told consultants are people you hire to steal your watch to tell you what time it is...
thestringpuller: once*
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 2.475 = 47.025 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.476 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02487 BTC [+]
deadweasel: Chaang-Noi, seems pretty cut and dry, they only buy BTC.... glad you think they will too.
Chaang-Noi: its a silly silly charge
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.456103 = 17.1927 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: Chaang-Noi: Is it super illegal to smoke pot in Thailand like Vietnam?
thestringpuller: My friend said the pot posession in Vietnam is a capital offense.
KRS1: jeezus
thestringpuller: He also said there was a white people tax.
Chaang-Noi: i dont kow how it is is vietnam, however it is illegal here, the cops in some tourist areas will give you shit for smoking or having some pot
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.477 = 24.77 BTC [+]
deadweasel: cracker tax, I like it
Chaang-Noi: however in normal areas cops dont give a shit about pot, its not a harmful social drug
thestringpuller: ah
Chaang-Noi: they mostly go after meth and shit like that
Chaang-Noi: weed is a weed here...
Chaang-Noi: it grows wild
Chaang-Noi: having it to cook is normal
ThickAsThieves: i always thought bought would be a decent addition to any spice rack
ThickAsThieves: pot
thestringpuller: My friend was living in Vietnam with his then gf, and some people saw him go into her relative's house, and the police came and said, "Give us 50 dollars for having a white person in your house."
Chaang-Noi: some cops give shit to some tourists in tourist areas either cuz the tourist are being cocks or cuz the cops want a bribe
ThickAsThieves: not bought :/
KRS1: In a country most notable for tourism and you cant smoke out..i'll have to remember not to vacaction there, regardless of what I heard about the picturesuqe sunrises.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.002 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: the cops wont fuck with me here, and they dont fuck with most white people anyway, esp out side of tourst areas
deadweasel: In fact, you can survive without pot for long periods of time.
deadweasel: little known fact
ThickAsThieves: i dont think any of us are potheads
ThickAsThieves: well
Chaang-Noi: i hope to smoke opium again soon
ThickAsThieves: i'm probly wrong
Chaang-Noi: been about 6 months
thestringpuller: deadweasel: tell that to Amanda Bynes
deadweasel: ;;google amanda bynes
gribble: Amanda Bynes (AmandaBynes) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/AmandaBynes>; Amanda Bynes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Bynes>; Amanda Bynes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004789/>
thestringpuller: she still has a twitter after all her cray cray-ness?
deadweasel: it's the first time I've heard the name.
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if that bitcoin foundation guy got a new twitter :)
Chaang-Noi: john manotes or whateggver
deadweasel: did she die from an acute lack of marihuana?
fiat500: lmao
Scrat: used marijuana needles
mircea_popescu: the government of President Bashar Assad took the trouble on Sunday to warn its citizens against travel to neighboring Turkey on the grounds it might not be safe there.
thestringpuller: HAHAHA
mircea_popescu: this rules lmao
fiat500: lmfao yeah
fiat500: quite the illusion he is living in
thestringpuller: What rules about it mircea_popescu ?
Scrat: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldnhhndEXD1qd4crbo1_500.jpg
Scrat: be careful kids
fiat500: mircea_popescu: i saw a video of ceaucescu's trial and execution yesterday, very poignant
usagi: is that a winklevoss?
thestringpuller: deadweasel: Amanda Bynes was a very successful child actress who has joined the list of child actors who go trippin'
fiat500: romania is not to be trifled with
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0248 = 0.0992 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: President Bashar Assad took the trouble on Sunday after his helicopter crash?
thestringpuller: window 10
thestringpuller: ugh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00072156 = 11.2563 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fiat500 if you can read romanian,
mircea_popescu: ;;google procesul ceausescu
gribble: Transcript of the closed trial of Nicolae and Elena Ceauşescu ...: <http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Transcript_of_the_closed_trial_of_Nicolae_and_Elena_Ceau%C5%9Fescu>; Stenograma procesului Ceaușescu - Wikisource: <http://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/Stenograma_procesului_Ceau%C8%99escu>; Destinul principalilor participanţi la procesul soţilor Ceauşescu ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: o hey, i fell off.
mircea_popescu: ;;google procesul ceausescu trilema
gribble: Henry Kissinger implicat in recuperarea evreilor din Romania - Alex ...: <http://blog.alexgalmeanu.com/blog/2009/02/05/henry-kissinger-implicat-in-recuperarea-evreilor-din-romania-comunista/>
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2011/procesul-ceausescu/
fiat500: mircea_popescu: google translate does a miserable job of translating this
mircea_popescu: it would.
mircea_popescu: it's an in depth discussion of the trial.
mircea_popescu: the legal arguments presented, etc.
fiat500: interesting, ill try to wade through the translation
fiat500: "The problems are two: the first problem is not the law of incitement speech, the text expresses itself by committing deeds, and therefore not clear to what extent can he be held responsible Ceausescu genocide, unless he with mine His murder, damaged, subjected etc. The thing is of course open to dispute in court, Prax do not exist, so there will undoubtedly fit hot debate."
fiat500: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 48 @ 0.00257 = 0.1234 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 7 @ 0.00257 = 0.018 BTC [-]
fiat500: i think i get the gist of that, but man does google have a long way to go
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0248 = 0.124 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: for the sake of lulz quote the original i'll translate properly.
fiat500: Problemele sunt doua : prima problema, ca nu se face vorbire in lege de instigare, textul glasuieste de savirsirea unor fapte, si ca atare nu-i clar in ce masura Ceausescu poate fi el tinut responsabil de genocid, afara de cazul ca el cu mina lui a omorit, vatamat, supus etc.
thestringpuller: !last btctc bitvps
assbot: Last trade for BITVPS on BTCTC was at 0.000839 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !ticker btctc bitvps
assbot: [BTCT:BITVPS] 1D: 0.00075 / 0.00075 / 0.000849 (1377 shares, 1 BTC), 7D: 0.000571 / 0.00068 / 0.001 (21471 shares, 14.5 BTC), 30D: 0.00051 / 0.00076 / 0.00172 (63192 shares, 47.9 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.689999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.69 BTC [+]
fiat500: i found this pretty funny too
fiat500: "How will grab our state, created from hands, hopes and thoughts of guys hardly qualified secretarial and kitchen?"
mircea_popescu: there's two problems with that. the first, that the law does not speak of instigation, it speaks of doing, and as such it's not clear how can you hold C responsible for genocide, except in the case you can show he himself killed, hurt, imposed etc.
fiat500: interesting corollary to the mubarak trial in egypt
fiat500: and of course milosovic
mircea_popescu: indeed.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.48 = 9.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.48995 = 7.4699 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4959 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02487 = 0.0746 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02487 = 0.0497 BTC [+]
fiat500: mircea_popescu: it was a show-trial basically, i dont even think they tried to hide that fact
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00072156 = 0.0722 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: very comical one, if you understand the language and law
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/introducing-smg-the-ministry-of-games/
mircea_popescu: big deal announcement.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.02487 = 0.4725 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.02489 = 0.3982 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: when does it launch?
ThickAsThieves: oic i think
mircea_popescu: actual mpex contract later today, actual ipo closes on the 10th
topace_: game development? do you have a portfolio of games developed already?
ThickAsThieves: he plays them all the time, isnt that enough?
ericmuys_: topace_: if there's anything I'm sure of, mircea_popescu created cat mario - www.youtube.com/watch?v=BksFy5qbwwM
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2233 = 0.4466 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2232 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10273 @ 0.00071866 = 7.3828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7861 @ 0.0007183 = 5.6466 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: topace_ nope.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.0007183 = 3.0169 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02489 BTC [+]
deadweasel: what brought on this game dev ipo? Where can we read about the companies under this umbrella? Any games out yet?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.08 = 0.8 BTC [-]
deadweasel: is there a better question I could be asking?
usagi: oh cool
usagi: hey deadweasel did you hear about the /print IRC command?
usagi: try it, type "/print Unknown command" and it prints the message
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.487 = 4.974 BTC [-]
deadweasel: usagi, no idea what you're talking about, totally don't care. but how is the silver biz?
usagi: it was a joke :/
deadweasel: i thought that for a split second, but when I didn't get it, I was sure it was just trollin ;)
usagi: Well, silver has been going down in USD, but up in terms of BTC
mircea_popescu: deadweasel hehe, first things first. ipo, the nwe see what btc is gathered together.
deadweasel: seems backwards
mircea_popescu: but anyway, bitcoin is basically game currency. that's what it's for.
usagi: Right now the price of BTC is the determining factor in silver/BTC investments
usagi: I am working hard at making my tu.silver issue a winner though
usagi: Increasing leverage in times of silver going up, decreasing in times of silver going down
deadweasel: mircea_popescu, of course, it was Magic currency first, but now it's something else. What would the utility be of the Game IPO? Where does the product come into play?
mircea_popescu: step 1. some people decide on a problem to solve ; step 2. those people come up with a way to do it and calculate resouerces needed ; step 3. those people gather the needed resources.
mircea_popescu: asking me about "is the problem already solved" presumes we're past step 3
deadweasel: I see. I think understand the status of this IPO.
mircea_popescu: as the article says, unlike all the other mpex ipos, which were sale by owner of established product, this is new biz.
peterl: link to article?
deadweasel: I did like the traditional IPO offering piece. That's all great stuff, I just want to fondle whatever it is that is worth investing in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 16 @ 0.00105001 = 0.0168 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2284 @ 0.0008501 = 1.9416 BTC [-]
deadweasel: but since it's new biz, that part cannot yet be fondled.
mircea_popescu: peterl http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/introducing-smg-the-ministry-of-games/
mircea_popescu: deadweasel the two are not distinct however. you can just wait out the ipo, see if any value arises and then buy in lateer
mircea_popescu: of course it would by definition be for more per share, but nothing wrong with that in principle.
kakobrekla: uh what happend here https://fastcash4bitcoins.com/
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224057.20
eyetalian: hello when are the SBET earnings/dividends released?
mircea_popescu: that.
mircea_popescu: eyetalian http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitbet-may-2013-statement/ announced there
kakobrekla: oh yes ill be signing it shortly
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.462811 = 9.8512 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.46281 = 12.3141 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.4628 = 9.8512 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.462 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.461004 BTC [-]
deadweasel: mircea_popescu, I'll watch for now, but I'm glad to see some new IPOs emerging.
deadweasel: especially as price is somewhat stable.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
furuknap: And who will be the first to issue a PT? :-)
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 28 @ 0.006881 = 0.1927 BTC [-]
deadweasel: TAT, obviously.
mircea_popescu: lol
deadweasel: I'm going to sell my dead grandmother in a TAT-PT
deadweasel: box and all
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00688 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 91 @ 0.0068 = 0.6188 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02489 = 0.1245 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02489 = 0.0498 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02465 = 0.0986 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 54 @ 0.02465 = 1.3311 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.0248 = 1.736 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0248 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 2.7 = 8.1 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MusicIsPolitics
mircea_popescu: for all our rapper friends :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4241 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.458 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02465 = 0.0986 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 17 @ 0.02465 = 0.4191 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02465 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Did somebody say PT?
ThickAsThieves: :)
furuknap: Yeah, MP is putting up a new asset, and I just can bring myself to doing all that PGP stuff to trade.
deadweasel: yes, I'd like to offer up DEAD.GMA shares
deadweasel: I'm offering 1 billion pieces of my dead grandmother, each for .01 BTC.
mircea_popescu: how's she generating revenue ?
mircea_popescu: furuknap iirc you can use coinbr
furuknap: MP, I know, but it would only be for this; the other assets have PTs already.
furuknap: *the other assets _I trade_
ThickAsThieves: maybe i'll call it TAT.MASTER
ThickAsThieves: but really,
ThickAsThieves: a PT would be tough
ThickAsThieves: everyone wants divs
deadweasel: mircea_popescu, this is a traditional IPO, we will decide revenue generators later.
deadweasel: ;)
mircea_popescu: hahaha i see
ThickAsThieves: and i assume this asset won't see any divs for quite a while
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yearly, if at all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0007183 = 5.6746 BTC [-]
deadweasel: every six months her total mass is reduced, thus your shares become more valuable, as the total is reduced.
deadweasel: so no divs
ThickAsThieves: the amatuer mining professional wouldnt stand for that
ThickAsThieves: as a PT
ThickAsThieves: ammortalization
furuknap: :-)
deadweasel: lol
deadweasel: nice
ThickAsThieves: :)
ThickAsThieves: amortalization*
mircea_popescu: amateur professional lol. nice.
ThickAsThieves: also known as "prosumers"
imsaguy: <mircea_popescu> how's she generating revenue ? << ever heard the term 'find a fold and...'?
mircea_popescu: i have not.
mircea_popescu: what is it?
mircea_popescu: i am 12.
imsaguy: what is this?
mircea_popescu: yes this is dog.
mircea_popescu: (fwiw, the romanian expression is "you can only fuck her after you roll her in flour and find the wet spot")
deadweasel: imsaguy, if you purchase enough DEAD.GMA shares you will have voting rights on which fold will be appropriated.
mircea_popescu: what if it farts ?
deadweasel: then you have chosen your fold poorly.
deadweasel: choose again.
deadweasel: she's not picky.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02489 BTC [+]
deadweasel: anymore
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 2.73 = 8.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4572 BTC [-]
imsaguy: Im pretty certain that once dead, they all fart
deadweasel: it's a feature
deadweasel: not a defect
mircea_popescu: well the only way forward is for you to present this at the upcoming "first" coinsomething conference
ThickAsThieves: how many fans will she have?
deadweasel: liking her on facebook requires owning DEAD.GMA-PT shares
deadweasel: and the number will be in tens of twelves
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.024551 = 0.221 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00071941 = 2.6618 BTC [+]
imsaguy: deadweasel, it'd probably be easier to use tonal numbers
mircea_popescu: tonal, oldest injoke in btc ?
imsaguy: if by in, you mean lame, yes
jborkl: I always think of deaf people talking when I read tonal bitcoin
imsaguy: that's fairly accurate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02465 = 0.074 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 21 @ 0.02461 = 0.5168 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.024601 = 1.0086 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 83 @ 0.0246 = 2.0418 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0246 = 0.0492 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.024509 = 1.2255 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 303 @ 0.02450401 = 7.4247 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: all injokes are lame to outsiders :D
deadweasel: DEAF.GMA-PT will not be offered until my other, deaf grandma is in the ground. Then her Tonal IPO can be announced.
deadweasel: DEAD.MA-PT and DEAD.PA-PT can be offered as needed.
jborkl: I remember the first time I read about tonal , I stopped when I reached Bong-Bitcoin
jborkl: :(
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.47999 = 24.7999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00071941 = 2.8417 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.024848 = 0.2236 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 72 @ 0.024848 = 1.7891 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.024505 = 0.2451 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.002575 = 0.0515 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.024848 = 2.4848 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00071648 = 14.5804 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0007164 = 4.4059 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 130 @ 0.024505 = 3.1857 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.024649 = 1.0106 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 175 @ 0.02465 = 4.3138 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.47999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.024848 = 1.0188 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.47999 = 9.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.02489 = 2.2401 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.02451 = 1.0049 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 49 @ 0.02450401 = 1.2007 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 23 @ 0.02449 = 0.5633 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.024848 = 2.4848 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024848 = 0.0497 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.289989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00071941 = 6.4387 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00072261 = 1.5536 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 40 @ 0.1098 = 4.392 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024845 = 0.0497 BTC [-]
topace_: ;;depth
gribble: Error: "depth" is not a valid command.
topace_: !depth
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 239532 | Current Difficulty: 1.2153411709775832E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 239903 | Next Difficulty In: 371 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 17 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15257411.5782 | Estimated Percent Change: 25.54015
fiat500: sheeeeet
fiat500: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.02484 = 0.149 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 56 @ 0.02484 = 1.391 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00072261 = 1.4091 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.02484 = 0.5465 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2496 @ 0.00072482 = 1.8092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0007254 = 3.1345 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2805 @ 0.00072541 = 2.0348 BTC [+]
MJR_: hi all
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.469 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 37 @ 0.02488 = 0.9206 BTC [+]
deadweasel: hey MJR_
deadweasel: how's it going?
mircea_popescu: and here it is http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MG
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0007251 = 3.1332 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2929 @ 0.00072541 = 2.1247 BTC [+]
eyetalian: very dissapointing dividend on sbet this month :(
kakobrekla: beats sdice
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.109 = 0.981 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 21 @ 0.109 = 2.289 BTC [-]
eyetalian: how come when a limit sell order is placed, it seems someone automatically places another just below it?
eyetalian: with bbet?
eyetalian: is there a bot...?
deadweasel: um, sell order on bbet?
deadweasel: what is the question?
eyetalian: if you try to sell bbet shares
eyetalian: with a limit sell
eyetalian: almost instantly another sell order appears below it
mircea_popescu: eyetalian i see a few at 149999 ?
eyetalian: example if you try to sell for 0.19. instantly a sell of 0.1899 appears below it
mircea_popescu: possibly somebody is running a bot.
eyetalian: its almost always a 5000 or 10000 lot size
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.1087 = 0.9783 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.10861 = 0.4344 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1086 = 1.086 BTC [-]
eyetalian: mircea_popescu: how can a bot have so many shares on offer?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 13 @ 0.1084 = 1.4092 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: eyetalian how many you mean ? 10 k ?
mircea_popescu: that's not a lot is it.
ThickAsThieves: not really
ThickAsThieves: what does qty matter anyway
eyetalian: yes but no matter what price you put the bot comes in
ThickAsThieves: maybe he owns 100,000
eyetalian: it stops you from being able to exit
ThickAsThieves: so put a low enough price
mircea_popescu: i imagine if the price is too high it will undercut you,
eyetalian: yea and take a huge loss
mircea_popescu: but at some point it runs out
ThickAsThieves: or trick the bot into selling into bids, if it's that exact
mircea_popescu: well this is called price formation you know. the market atm is incredibly wide
eyetalian: no its called someone having a huge ammount of shares and gaming the market to ensure all bids are aimed towards the certain supply
mircea_popescu: 85/150 wtf is that.
eyetalian: just suspiscious to me thats all
eyetalian: maybe im wrong
mircea_popescu: i still don't see how 10k shares is a lot
eyetalian: its not 10k
mircea_popescu: it's like 15btc worth or something neh ?
eyetalian: almost the entire ask size is the bots shares
eyetalian: ask side
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.0025 = 0.0125 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: um
mircea_popescu: have you read the ipo contract eyetalian ?
eyetalian: well yes i know you are selling most of those
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.469 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: right, like 99% of the ask side is leftover from ipo
eyetalian: it just seems youve set it up to make sure any new bids go straight to you
eyetalian: i assume the bot is yours.
mircea_popescu: nope, i've not been selling any shares.
eyetalian: ok
eyetalian: i dont know maybe i am mistaken
ThickAsThieves: it doesnt matter tho
ThickAsThieves: you need to sell for less than whomever else is selling
eyetalian: you cant.
ThickAsThieves: simple as that
ThickAsThieves: sur eyou can
eyetalian: the bot will undercut you forcing you to do a market order.
mircea_popescu: well if it's a bot ir probably has a limit
eyetalian: and take a huge loss, which i assume the bot sits on the bid side too
mircea_popescu: 150, 140, 120, w/e it is
eyetalian: with a very very low bid
ThickAsThieves: try pushing the bot into the bids
ThickAsThieves: .ile .0001 at a time
ThickAsThieves: like*
ThickAsThieves: you'll find the bottom
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.000835 = 0.0017 BTC [-]
eyetalian: thickasthieves: the bids are very low on purpose i assume it is the bot buying back
mircea_popescu: probably halves is the fastest.
eyetalian: mircea_popescu: please dont pretend you dont know about a bot.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 150+85/2
gribble: 192.5
mircea_popescu: i'm not pretending anything dude.
eyetalian: its your exchange you are well aware whats active on it
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (150+85)/2
gribble: 117.5
ThickAsThieves: you are confused man
ThickAsThieves: even if it IS the bot
mircea_popescu: i don't snoop nearly to the degree everyone assumes.
ThickAsThieves: on both ends
ThickAsThieves: this is still okay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 37 @ 0.024501 = 0.9065 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 63 @ 0.0245 = 1.5435 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: it just means no one else is buying
eyetalian: the bot absorbs any new bids, diverting BTC to itself
ThickAsThieves: ...
eyetalian: when someone tries to buy the bot ensures its the bots supply you are buying
ThickAsThieves: so?
eyetalian: its just suspiscious thats all
ThickAsThieves: its a bot
eyetalian: so its 1 participant gaming the market
ThickAsThieves: they are designed to make money
ThickAsThieves: if the bot is in control,
ThickAsThieves: it's because no one else is playing
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt a bot makes money on s.bbet tbh.
mircea_popescu: $avg s.bbet
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.469 = 17.283 BTC [-]
eyetalian: it doesnt trading wise
mircea_popescu: $t s.bbet
mircea_popescu: wtf was it
eyetalian: it just ensures you always get the new BTC mircea.
ThickAsThieves: !t s.bbet
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
mircea_popescu: $vwap s.bbet
mircea_popescu: !ticker s.bbet
assbot: Some are born to endless night.
kakobrekla: mpexbot = gone
mircea_popescu: heh mpexbot is ded ghuh ?
ThickAsThieves: its my bot
mircea_popescu: da fuck happened there
ThickAsThieves: any questions?
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0008501 / 0.00098566 / 0.00149999 (2900 shares, 2.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0008501 / 0.00098566 / 0.00149999 (2900 shares, 2.86 BTC), 30D: 0.0008501 / 0.00146134 / 0.00172499 (12215 shares, 17.85 BTC)
mircea_popescu: lol srsly ?
ThickAsThieves: nahi hate bots
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: but my point is
mircea_popescu: smickles hey where's mpexbot!
assbot: and i hate you tat
ThickAsThieves: it may as well be me
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4241 = 2.1205 BTC [+]
mod6: (00:31) (!) mpexbot ~supybot@unaffiliated/smickles/bot/mpexbot has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there actually is a bot or the guy just has a "world is satan" outlook
mod6: looks like it timed out today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0247999 = 0.0992 BTC [+]
eyetalian: mircea_popescu dont act stupid.
eyetalian: you know what you are doing
mircea_popescu: your definition of "acting stupid" may be a little broken.
eyetalian: you are using a script to divert any BTC bids to yourself.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 80 @ 0.02489 = 1.9912 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sigh.
eyetalian: being the IPO issuer.
ThickAsThieves: i still dont understand the problem
ThickAsThieves: even if it was mp
mircea_popescu: i'm the half issuer who people praise, as per traditiob
ThickAsThieves: or me
mircea_popescu: it's kakobrekla who people cuss out. please stick to it.
ThickAsThieves: superservant and super scapegoat
ThickAsThieves: so many hats
eyetalian: thickasthieves: what hes doing is being dishonest about a market functioning.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: he's providing liquidity
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 25 @ 0.105 = 2.625 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.1035 = 0.5175 BTC [-]
eyetalian: thickasthieves: he only places limit sell orders when someone else is selling.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 21 @ 0.102001 = 2.142 BTC [-]
eyetalian: they arent tehre any other time
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 100 @ 0.102 = 10.2 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: but there must still be a top
ThickAsThieves: and a bottom
eyetalian: its always his ask you are hitting.
eyetalian: yep
ThickAsThieves: for the market price
mircea_popescu: what insanity is this. there's always someone selling wtf.
ThickAsThieves: that the bot is willing to play
mircea_popescu: the world doesn't start and end when you move.
ThickAsThieves: all you need to do is find that price
eyetalian: mircea_popescu: the sell orders arent present until someone places them
ThickAsThieves: then you have reached your "reality"
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.024897 = 0.4979 BTC [+]
eyetalian: ie someon puts a limit 0.19 the bot instantly puts a 0.189
eyetalian: but the bot was not active earlier
ThickAsThieves: this is true for all sell orders , no?
eyetalian: it only ensures bids are diverted
ThickAsThieves: nothing exists til it exists
eyetalian: um
kakobrekla: i admint, this is preety funny.
kakobrekla: admit
mircea_popescu: im sorry, i don't see much more than "how dare other people offer what i'm trying to sell for less than i want for it".
eyetalian: thats not whats happening
eyetalian: if the script is selling for 0.20
eyetalian: and you come in 0.19
eyetalian: it instantly puts 0.189
ThickAsThieves: whats the lowest amount you'll sell your BBET for?
mircea_popescu: ok, and if you come in at 0.15 ?
eyetalian: becuase it has such massive supply available the entire premise is to divert bids
FabianB: eyetalian: did you buy too high and now you want out doing a lower valuation than before?
kakobrekla: eyetalian the way i see it someone wants to do exactly the same thing you want to do but they have a bot and you dont, so you are pissed.
ThickAsThieves: i'll adjust the bt for you
eyetalian: to the 1 buyer
eyetalian: mircea: it will adjust again.
eyetalian: kako: the supply the bot has is so high it has to be the owners doing it
kakobrekla: that is just false
mircea_popescu: well iirc the numbers, about 1mn or so shares sold.
mircea_popescu: during the ipo
eyetalian: what price were bbet shares initially offered
ThickAsThieves: even if the bot owns ALL the shares taht you dont' it's still fair
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7416 @ 0.00072541 = 5.3796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1984 @ 0.00072545 = 1.4393 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: wasnt it 1.5mn?
mircea_popescu: substract from that w/e you're holding and that's the presumptive's bot max supply.
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: eyetalian 0.00001 BTC each.
mircea_popescu: it's in the contract.
eyetalian: but all of them went to you.
ThickAsThieves: WTB S.BBET 0.00085011
kakobrekla: eyetalian the shares went to ipo investors not us
ThickAsThieves: eyetalian, what price do you think IS fair?
mircea_popescu: no they didn't go to me lol.
ThickAsThieves: i already told you, it's my bot, and I own all the shares
ThickAsThieves: what do you need from me?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.0007251 = 12.0367 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 60 @ 0.0031 = 0.186 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.000706 = 0.0028 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.0025 = 0.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 9 @ 0.000707 = 0.0064 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: I just got a pm from someone asking for a $68,000 loan
mircea_popescu: sharpie in pooper ?
ThickAsThieves: they wanna buy mining equipment
ThickAsThieves: and let me hold AM as collateral
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 16 @ 0.00243 = 0.0389 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: uhhhhh where do I sign!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: I guess I have earned the "will do anything for AM shares" reputation.
topace_: hehe
mircea_popescu: i suppose in principle it could be said anyone on mpex is running a bot
topace_: way to go
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as well... most everyone uses the pympex script or some equiv
eyetalian: no only you
mircea_popescu: a bot is what, two lines of code away
eyetalian: there arent enough participants to have that supply
ThickAsThieves: i think you just think BBET is worth more than it really is
mircea_popescu: eyetalian are you of the "disregard everything because i know better" school ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.024889 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: maybe you overpaid?
mircea_popescu: [BitFunder] Kenilworth Exploration - Real World Mining Opertunity with Bitcoins
ThickAsThieves: ...
mircea_popescu: heh.
eyetalian: you will always overpay until the bot has unloaded all of its shares(millions)
ThickAsThieves: overpaying is relative
eyetalian: thats the whole point.
eyetalian: gobble up as many BTC as possible
ThickAsThieves: why buy somehting for more than it's worth?
ThickAsThieves: here's your solution
ThickAsThieves: have DeadTerra move your shares to a PT
ThickAsThieves: no bots!
eyetalian: they are still linked to mpex
ThickAsThieves: ?
ThickAsThieves: its an mpex stock
eyetalian: yes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.02488 = 0.4976 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: yes
ThickAsThieves: but the problem is the bot
ThickAsThieves: not mpex
eyetalian: i think thats why nobody wants to list assets on mpex, just too much shady activity in the background imo
ThickAsThieves: so move your shares to a PT
ThickAsThieves: where there are no bots
ThickAsThieves: and sell there
mircea_popescu: i gather the problem are other people, generally.
eyetalian: the PT still reflects mpex prices duh.
ThickAsThieves: bit you wont get bots undercutting you
mircea_popescu: eyetalian everyone WANTS to. mostly nobody is allowed to.
FabianB: eyetalian: why did you buy in the first place?
mircea_popescu: huge difference there.
ThickAsThieves: you can place your asks in peace
ThickAsThieves: theoritically...
eyetalian: mircea: as far as most are concerned havelock is the exchange dealing in the AAA assets
ThickAsThieves: theoretically*
ThickAsThieves: oh geez
mircea_popescu: lmao ok.
mircea_popescu: topace_ you put the noob up to it or is he just trollin' ?
ThickAsThieves: I'm gonna start a space exploration asset
ThickAsThieves: trying to raise 100,000btc
mircea_popescu: looking for anything in particular ?
ThickAsThieves: intelligent life
ThickAsThieves: badoom!
ThickAsThieves: maybe i'll mine in space too
ThickAsThieves: like those rich guys
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.477 = 4.954 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.024896 = 0.1245 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.024897 = 1.9918 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.024897 = 0.3735 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: oookay
mircea_popescu: theres actually bids of s.mg nao o.o
ThickAsThieves: no listing on coinbr yet
mircea_popescu: i think jurov has to hand approve
ThickAsThieves: those aren't real bids, just a bot
mircea_popescu: also bitcoins are fake internet money used by people from tirol.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.7705 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.024889 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2337 @ 0.00072545 = 1.6954 BTC [+]
fiat500: 20:52 < ThickAsThieves> maybe i'll mine in space too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9963 @ 0.00072546 = 7.2278 BTC [+]
fiat500: ASICs in space dont need cooling
ThickAsThieves: is that true?!
fiat500: and can run off solar power unfettered by atmosphere
ThickAsThieves: i have a bitcoin boner
fiat500: i think you're onto something here
mircea_popescu: of course tghey need cooling
mircea_popescu: vacuum is an insulator. asics in space go boom
fiat500: then how do you explain the sun?!!!!!
fiat500: brb panic buying
mircea_popescu: you need to get off the forum
mircea_popescu: it's not agreeing with you :D
fiat500: lmao
fiat500: actually getting ready for a flight, and stupid airline app wont let me check in >_>
mircea_popescu: tell the attendant "it's flight or fight, bitch!"
Scrat: indeed
Scrat: soviets tried nuclear reactors in space
Scrat: didn't work well
mircea_popescu: Scrat is that how you explain the sun ?
Scrat: can't expel heat fast enough
kakobrekla: "it's flight, fight or ass, bitch!"
Scrat: fission vs fusion derp
mircea_popescu: you didn't say FISSION NUCLEAR REAKTORS
ThickAsThieves: nuklear*
Scrat: americans spell it nukular
ThickAsThieves: correct
Scrat: at least jack bauer does
ThickAsThieves: or nookula, if you are from boston
jborkl: a bunch of satellites are nuclear powered
jborkl: just not reactors
mircea_popescu: jborkl not quite. they're just decay-lighted so to speak
mircea_popescu: yeah
Scrat: RTG's
deadweasel: noocleah in maine
deadweasel: i don't even want to know canadian
ThickAsThieves: NOOKula, eh
mircea_popescu: by the way... do you know about the russian doods who found some soviet era beacons in siberia
mircea_popescu: and stripped them to warm themselves overnight ?
deadweasel: that is not healthy.
Scrat: mircea_popescu: then oh shit why do I have 3 testicles
ThickAsThieves: more firepower
deadweasel: more like oh shit, i shit myself.
mircea_popescu: "hey there, nice tan"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.024889 = 0.1991 BTC [+]
fiat500: LOL
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.466 = 7.398 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3622 @ 0.0007251 = 2.6263 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.024889 = 0.448 BTC [+]
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 121.67663, Best ask: 121.67665, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 121.67665, 24 hour volume: 28543.16748503, 24 hour low: 115.11100, 24 hour high: 122.78483, 24 hour vwap: 118.93708
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.478 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.478 = 9.912 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.48599 = 14.9159 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.317489 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 8 @ 0.0031 = 0.0248 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.024889 = 0.224 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0248895 = 0.2489 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.02485 = 0.497 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02485 = 0.1243 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 54 @ 0.0031 = 0.1674 BTC [+]
jurov: hi all. S.MG? nice! will be added to coinbr in a moment.
jurov: obv MPEx doesn't have an api for that
mircea_popescu: safer that way.
jurov: and thestringpuller: i got a consultant, will let you know if slovakia can be added to your list.
jurov: so far we have romania slovenia and somalia?
mircea_popescu: ha, prague is under water it seems
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [+]
jurov: yea. vienna, bratislava and budapest maybe soon.
jurov: (no worry, i live 100m above danube level)
mircea_popescu: this global warming...
mircea_popescu: my magnolias think autumn is here.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.688989 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 69 @ 0.000799 = 0.0551 BTC [-]
eyetalian: hi guys
eyetalian: what is minigame doing?
eyetalian: gambling income
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.28999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.48599 = 4.972 BTC [+]
jurov: added to coinbr
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 113 @ 0.000726 = 0.082 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 275 @ 0.000725 = 0.1994 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02485 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.02488949 = 1.2445 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 46 @ 0.0031 = 0.1426 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: speaking of somalia http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/agr_agr_mac_tra_percap-agricultural-machinery-tractors-per-capita
kakobrekla: jurov what list
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02479 = 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.02466 = 0.9371 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02465 = 0.074 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072223 = 3.1208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6829 @ 0.00072215 = 4.9316 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02451 = 0.049 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.024351 = 0.1705 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.486 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109498 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/since-what-you-do-all-day-is-jack-off-anyway/
mircea_popescu: if anyone here watches porn, there's 1 btc to be made.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.0247 = 0.4446 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: witha little luck.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072418 = 3.1292 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00072419 = 10.6456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5878 @ 0.00072508 = 4.262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 701 @ 0.00072546 = 0.5085 BTC [+]
KRS-1: I love to watch porn
jurov: kakobrekla, deadweasel was asking mp for list of bitcoin-safe countries
jurov: presumably to move to
deadweasel: that was TAT
deadweasel: or someone
jurov: oh sry, no it was thestringpuller
deadweasel: although I'd read it.
jurov: in logs some 6 hrs ago
jurov: oh and eyetalian, i do have a bot, too. but it's not on bbet and it's much more polite.
eyetalian: what do you mean bitcoin safe countries?
jurov: in the sense US is bitcoin-unsafe
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.485999 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: countries which are ruled by laws and respect for individual rights
mircea_popescu: rather than corporate interest and bureaucratic autarchy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 400 @ 0.02488949 = 9.9558 BTC [-]
eyetalian: i thought US was only unsafe for exchangers
jurov: well, LR was not an exchanger
jurov: for example. and it was not even located in US.
eyetalian: LR was stealing funds though from accounts
eyetalian: their were more LR balances then dollars backing them
jurov: oh, so US sacked them because of *that*?
eyetalian: well they sacked them for that money laundering bs
eyetalian: but im glad LR went down they stole millions
mircea_popescu: sauce ?
eyetalian: LR wasn't *just* a paypal for crooks
eyetalian: they were actively freezing high dollar accounts
eyetalian: for years
mircea_popescu: In May 2013, Liberty Reserve was shut down by United States federal prosecutors under the Patriot Act
mircea_popescu: funny what that thing is used for.
eyetalian: LR had warnings since 2011.
eyetalian: and the owners were thieves
eyetalian: if US based exchanges comply with US rules theres nothing the government will do to them
jurov: so, prolly they stole some HSBC stash and fell into disgrace for US power structures, you say?
jurov: nice conspiration
eyetalian: the owners had a history with US law enforcement
mircea_popescu: lolwut
eyetalian: you play with fire you get burnt imo
eyetalian: if you deal in US dollars you subject yourself to US government
eyetalian: simple as that.
eyetalian: dont like their rules dont use their money
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.486 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0247 = 0.1976 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this is not how it works.
eyetalian: sure it does
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.0991 = 0.1982 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.099 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.099 = 0.99 BTC [-]
eyetalian: if you stay away from US government related stuff they stay away from you
mircea_popescu: ...
eyetalian: mtgox same thing. they did not have proper accounts setup
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this, bullying 101 ?
eyetalian: no its the real world
eyetalian: US gov is like an organized crime gang
eyetalian: if you stay away from them they are harmless
jurov: tell that to gitmo detainees
eyetalian: lol you believe they are just randoms?|
mircea_popescu: how did the discussion become a matter of what he believes ?
mircea_popescu: do you have complete and indisputable proof they aren't ?
eyetalian: the US is only 5% of the worlds population, there are plenty of alternatives
eyetalian: if you stay away from US gov they stay away from you simple as that
mircea_popescu: suppose they stay away from me, i stay away friom them, simple as that.
mircea_popescu: in any game of bullying i shall be doing the beating.
jurov: it doesn't matter if they are randoms. they have a right to trial, usg denies it
eyetalian: sure
furuknap: And then I told him, "you can't put that there!" and then just walked away. It was hillarious.
mircea_popescu: huh ?
jurov: furuknap, wrong tab?
orkaa: <eyetalian> if you stay away from US gov they stay away from you simple as that
orkaa: lol
eyetalian: the US government is like a chained up dog, harmless as long as you stay away.
furuknap: Just messing with you guys...
orkaa: unless you're in need of some freedom
furuknap: I was offline and typing to myself, not noticing I was gone...
eyetalian: orkaa ?
jurov: yes, chained up dog with drone remote
eyetalian: dont give them a reason to target you
orkaa: lol, lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think i've had enough of this nonsense. bye eyeguy.
jurov: how do i know what is the reason?
jurov: i may be money laundering in usg eyes right now
eyetalian: jurov: so far you have given 2 examples both who were actively fucking around with US authorities despite warnings
eyetalian: LibertyReserve which was active in defrauding people and transfering $ around
eyetalian: and gitmo people who were in combat with US people
orkaa: eyetalian, so girls shouldn't wear short skirts 'cause they give guys a reason to rape them
orkaa: that's what you're saying
eyetalian: please show me examples of people who are targetted by US government
eyetalian: that dont do anything involving them
jurov: eyetalian: do your own research about gitmo. there were journalists, Uk citizens, you name it.
eyetalian: bitinstant is fully in business and compliant with US laws
eyetalian: and they are allowed to operate
orkaa: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/us_military_bases_surrounding_iran_jpg-2.jpg
mircea_popescu: for that matter, they kidnapped the ex head of the imf under manufactured charges
orkaa: this picture says everything abou eyetalian's flawless logic
mircea_popescu: which they knew were manufactured.
mircea_popescu: they tried the same with the assange guy
mircea_popescu: the list is endless.
eyetalian: again show me innocent randoms please
orkaa: basically everyone there.
orkaa: no one had a trial
furuknap: <mircea_popescu> if anyone here watches porn, there's 1 btc to be made. >"If anyone here watches porn" he says... *tsk*
eyetalian: the truth is if you are involved in a US jurisdiction and play by their rules you are fine
eyetalian: if you dont like their rules. stay away from them
eyetalian: simple as that
eyetalian: the world isnt america
mircea_popescu: lol
orkaa: eyetalian, where are you from?
eyetalian: canada
furuknap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs
jurov: oh i thought fox news
jurov: *he's from fox news
orkaa: yeah me too
eyetalian: i dont like the US gov
eyetalian: but i live in the real world
jurov: actually fox news doesn't, too. afaik
eyetalian: theres nothing i can do about their power
eyetalian: best to avoid it
kakobrekla: ok jurov cool
kakobrekla: i can do somalia 101
kakobrekla: for 10 btc
jurov: oh eyetalian: you do know they said practically whole internet is under US jurisdiction?
jurov: at least .com domains are
jurov: now do tell me how "best to avoid it"
eyetalian: dont use .com
jurov: lol. they can extend to other TLDs any day
eyetalian: not really
jurov: how not? ICANN is in US.
eyetalian: you have to remember americans are of germanic descent, they tend to do everything systematically
eyetalian: with procedures and rules
eyetalian: making stuff up as they go along doesnt fit their traits
jurov: lol this gets better
eyetalian: hence their obsessiveness with laws and procedures
jurov: so what was the procedure to discover WMDs in iraq?
jurov: do explain me pls
eyetalian: i dont know anything about that subject
eyetalian: all youve named so far are regions and people who have fucked around with US gov.
eyetalian: ive asked for an example of someone who hasnt thats been "targetted"
eyetalian: the thing about the US gov too, you recieve plenty of warnings before they act
eyetalian: like LR people recieved warnings since 2011 about the site specifically
eyetalian: and they had a arrest record in the US
eyetalian: sadaam had like a 2 year warning window before 2003.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8136 @ 0.00072546 = 5.9023 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6264 @ 0.00072645 = 4.5505 BTC [+]
eyetalian: taliban people had 4months.
orkaa: http://also.kottke.org/misc/images/nick-ut-vietnam.jpg
orkaa: these kids had at least 10 seconds warning..
eyetalian: orkaa we arent talking about war.
eyetalian: something europeans are professionals at
eyetalian: interms of kill count in the last 100 years
orkaa: yeah but it's kinda the same thing
orkaa: if you do some nasty stuff and then call it 'war'
mircea_popescu: nice child porn.
orkaa: it doesn't change anything
eyetalian: US is a bitcoin friendly country
eyetalian: there are plenty of places to spend BTC in NY and California
jurov: .. as long as you don't try to exchange bitcoins. ic.
eyetalian: well for exchanging dollars you have to comply with the same rules everyone else does
jurov: if they have such nice rigid rules, then why so high incarceration?
eyetalian: and anyone putting in a little effort can easily evade most ID requirements
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.8 BTC [+]
eyetalian: the high US incarceration is mostly drug gang stuff
eyetalian: which i agree is stupid
eyetalian: theres nothing illegal about exchanging bitcoins for cash on a person to person basis
eyetalian: its simply rules governing major exchange operations
orkaa: btw, what's the primary topic we're arguing about?
eyetalian: he was saying US is not a bitcoin friendly country
eyetalian: even though NY and California have a high ammount of business's that accept it
eyetalian: his rational was because bitcoin exchanges should be allowed not to comply with any rules dealing with money
eyetalian: the biggest hurdle in the US is that you need 50 different state licenses to operate
eyetalian: the bitcoin exchanges simply had barely any startup capital to fund proper licensing which costs about 5-10million to obtain for the entire US
jurov: hence, bitcoin unfriendly
eyetalian: no its unfriendly to basement business's
eyetalian: a well capitalized exchanger in the US should have no issues
eyetalian: since bitcoin left infancy only this year, it was hard to attract that level of funding
orkaa: eyetalian, but that's like saying that the US health system is very friendly …. it's just that most people have a money problem
jurov: actually there's coinlab and others, and there *are* serious problems
KRS-1: kakobrekla: Somalia is NOT the same as Serbia, just sayin.
kakobrekla: now you are learning.
eyetalian: orkaa i agree. the laws are mostly designed to keep small players out
KRS-1: =D
eyetalian: jurov: coinlab was never an exchanger.
jurov: so which one had the deal with silicon valley bank?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.02488949 = 0.2987 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.0248895 = 0.448 BTC [+]
eyetalian: nobody was willing to put serious capital up for bitcoin related until 2013
eyetalian: jurov: coinlab opened up a corporate account at a bank, thats all they did
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.233 = 0.466 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 47 @ 0.2331 = 10.9557 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2335 = 1.1675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2335 = 1.1675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.2335 = 2.335 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2336 = 1.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 23 @ 0.2337 = 5.3751 BTC [+]
jurov: if not even a bank dares to go in, what friendiless is that?
jurov: *frinedliness
eyetalian: jurov: there are plenty of banks who are fine with it as long as you are properly complying
mircea_popescu: even somalia too cool for slovenia now ?!
eyetalian: just nobody was willing to put the millions into compliance in the past
eyetalian: because bitcoin wasnt worth it
jurov: no one knows how to comply properly
eyetalian: now it is
eyetalian: jurov if that were true you wouldnt be able to exchange foreign currencies in america
kakobrekla: btw jurov, its not 'bitcoin friendly' its 'too stupid to acknowledge'
eyetalian: the compliance is simple you need to be registred as a MSB business + AML
eyetalian: the license costs were too high for most broke bitcoiners in the past.
eyetalian: now that its become more economical people are obtaining them
eyetalian: infact you have a very high chance of being shut down in the european union imo
eyetalian: if you operate an exchanger
eyetalian: without licenses
eyetalian: so its not just a US thing.
jurov: we are not discussing that, only you insist on painting me as wanting to operate without licenses
eyetalian: no you said the US isnt bitcoin friendly
eyetalian: and i pointed out US areas have high ammounts of bitcoin business's
jurov: we are discussing *how* easy is to have all these licenses in order
kakobrekla: the US isnt anything friendly
eyetalian: also bitpay is american
jurov: uneasy = not friendly country. that's all
eyetalian: its very easy to get the licenses IF you have the capital which is 5-10 million
eyetalian: nobody was willing to risk that on bitcoin in the past.
jurov: i know. it's late here, good night.
eyetalian: now they are
eyetalian: in 2010 2011 you would never earn enough revenues to cover the costs
eyetalian: nor 2012
jurov: hence, not friendly.
mircea_popescu: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/06/17/the-clock-is-ticking-on-bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: let us revisit the good old days.
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