jurov: hm, i'm slowly abadoning hope that the glbse passthroughs will ever be resolved
jurov: next option for coinbr seems to buy eurorail ticket and make talks about mpex/coinbr everywhere
jurov: although i'm horrible in convincing people :/
mircea_popescu: <jurov> next option for coinbr seems to buy eurorail ticket and make talks about mpex/coinbr everywher << i like this idea
jurov: hehe... don't happen to have gf, and no one will do that for free
mircea_popescu: a couple years ago i made a contest on my blog. people could comment with their address, get a stack of business card sized stickers
mircea_popescu: then if they sent pictures with them put up somewhere they'd get some moneyz
jurov: i was trying to be a OVB financial agent some 2yrs ago and i realized i'm really horrible at sales
jurov: dunno. i have talked with some of my entrepreneur friends and even got a response like "you look like typical coder, they don't do this... shouldn't you rather find a job?"
jurov: but if that's really an impression i make to ppl... :/
jurov: to have some meaningful volume on coinbr
mircea_popescu: well that's not exactly something for cold calling is it ?
jurov: nor distributing stickers
mircea_popescu: but listen jurov, i think you being or not being a salesman has very little to do with it.
mircea_popescu: it's easy to forget what a horrible time for btc finance we're going through. in the past THREE months pirate, hasking, nefario, harnett and a dozen more idiots raped the innocent public quite raw.
mircea_popescu: i'd be much surprised if fifty of the few hundred/coupla k glbse "investors" are still in the market today.
kakobrekla: im in the market but theres not much to play on really
jurov: on the other hand, i raised 65BTC via btcjam already... that's much more coinbr has ever seen
jurov: so i guess at least some bitcoins are around
kakobrekla: well i have a few 100 btc players since we are talking bout it
jurov: okay, can do. but i suspect something else too. quite a number of peeps registered, but never sent anything
kakobrekla: well i was expressing that in a sad tone. sorry it didnt come through.
temp_kluge: At least, the stupid-wealthy investors appear to be out. I don't think anyone will be offering me 1kBTC without even having terms established for a long while...
temp_kluge: Or maybe they bought in early and everything after making back the $5k they spent to acquire 10kBTC+ was a gamble for amusement.
mircea_popescu: this boggles the mind. do you imagine anyone is giving you money ? why ?
temp_kluge: Soon after Pirate defaulted, I was offered 10kBTC "when" he returns it. No promissory note or anything. People were ridiculously trusting during Pirate's reign.
mircea_popescu: then again, a bunch of idiots had credit at some point, through the sheer blessing of "being there".
temp_kluge: Now, people want to know "what's my money being used for?" "Where's the notarized promissory note?" "Where do you work?" -- you have to actually work for money. :(
temp_kluge: I've had MPOE-PR on ignore since the second time he/she/it PMd me back in something like May.
mircea_popescu: well seeing how the dilemma is troll or idiot, seems hardly worth proving.
pigeons: kakobrekla: is there MT4 for linux?
smickles: mircea_popescu: you've lost the top spot!
smickles: ... to the miami herald political page?
jurov: what are obama, paul and blair doing there?
jurov: bin laden, bush, clinton there too.. veritable who's who
jurov: thatcher isn't there... suspicion confirmed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27290 @ 0.00050198 = 13.699 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i still can't quite wrap my head around it, was kludge just here whining about how you have to work to get btc now ?
mircea_popescu: i invested in a few films, but never wihtout knowing the producers
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> "I will give you the part for 10 blow jobs" << that;s really not how it works.
mircea_popescu: it's not a count issue. it's a matter of making sure the girl is personable.
mircea_popescu: "Other related people (smickles) are behaving quite good, and we had useful discussions over support email."
mircea_popescu: did they manage to produce an explanation in the end ?
mircea_popescu: why do scammers always behave in this particular manner.
mircea_popescu: o im sorry kakobrekla, were you asking for personable girl url ?
smickles: How am I considering that article of clothing a skirt?
smickles: Maybe it's just a headband, and she's wearing it wrong
mircea_popescu: any belt wider than two inches made of textile material counts as a skirt if around the waist.
mircea_popescu: btw smickles, the thing about blogging is that you always suck at first
mircea_popescu: but if you manage to stick with it for a few years, writing daily or so, you'll notice impressive improvement.
kakobrekla: that last line holds true for most of stuff
mircea_popescu: it does hold true for oral and anal, if you're a girl. anal especially.
smickles: mircea_popescu: did bitvps stop issuing monthly reports?
smickles: their website stop at july, the listing on mpex says that they may also be roported on bitcointalk, but i can't find them
gribble: rg was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <rg> wow, i guess you showed us.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell rg <smickles> mircea_popescu: did bitvps stop issuing monthly reports?
smickles: the've kept up on dividends tho
smickles: not yet, it's only been a couple of hours or so
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.08387781 BTC [-]
gribble: #11746 Sat Nov 17 17:08:46 2012 smickles SELL 900.0 Trilema Credits @ 0.1 BTC (None)
smickles: they've visited over 200 times in just a couple of days
smickles: " I'd say we got 2 to 4 months tops to do something about the 21 million bit coin cap"
mircea_popescu: So I've decided to get into mining with a couple of decent laptops
smickles: *disclaimer, i'v not, at all, looked into the authenticity of those claims
mircea_popescu: "We will never end poverty if we don't tackle climate change. It is one of the single biggest challenges to social justice today," Kim told reporters on a conference call on Friday.
mircea_popescu: who put those fuckwits there. i don't want to end poverty and i piss on social justice omg wtf
smickles: there is one surefire way to end poverty
mircea_popescu: As the first scientist to head the World Bank, Kim has pointed to "unequivocal" scientific evidence for man-made climate change to urge countries to do more.
mircea_popescu: Kim said 97 percent of scientists agree on the reality of climate change.
smickles: ignore climate change, bake the planet, kill all humans
mircea_popescu: dude, 97% of ppl called "scientist" in the media are monkeys.
mircea_popescu: "the end of human suffering can never be a policy goal because the easiest way to achieve it is to just kill everyone"
☟︎ smickles: woah, man, i'm a bit drunk for that right nao
Namjies: So I get it the common good interest fews...
mircea_popescu: Namjies there is no "common good" other than in the populist discourse.
gribble: Nick 'Namjies', with hostmask 'Namjies!~BTC-Minin@modemcable065.181-83-70.mc.videotron.ca', is identified as user Namjies, with GPG key id F2758D83EEEDE453, key fingerprint F12DE6B4E1EF26F5768BE918F2758D83EEEDE453, and bitcoin address 1Namjies9JeJ4ugCzjkAj6dbaWrtjAFKCk
mircea_popescu: i like the videotron.ca part, he's like a hardcore gamer :D
mircea_popescu: smickles : poincarre gets precedence cause of being french, president and 1800s
smickles: I saw that when we tried to play monopoly, thought it was bad ass just from the form of it (aesthetics)
Namjies: I'm not saying what many you hear ain't bollocks, especially when it comes to "facts" about the environments, people's condition, etc. being easy to check out as false.
mircea_popescu: Namjies how about forcing everyone to move to TOXIC mercury-based lighting under the pretext of "helping the environment"
mircea_popescu: tho it doesn't help it, it just makes poor countries unable to export lightbulbs
mircea_popescu: which were exactly at their technological level, a good stepping stone to development
smickles: at least it's cheaper if they last as long as they claim for the end user
mircea_popescu: "scientists agree". fuck them, 97% of them have nothing to do with science, they just agree and get funding and agree more and get more funding.
smickles: (throw a couple of commas in there will you)
Namjies: Yeah, what I'm saying, not do that if you don't believe it's going to help.
mircea_popescu: they last less, and then they create piles of mercury.
pigeons: plus the light from those toxic cfl things is awful and depressing
Namjies: I'm talking merely about avoiding of negatively impacting people in general when you can and are aware of it.
pigeons: yeah i stocked up on good lightbulbs, i learned my lesson, made a killing on regular flow toliets
Namjies: Well [00:21] <mircea_popescu> who put those fuckwits there. i don't want to end poverty and i piss on social justice omg wtf
smickles: fuckit, screw this planet as hard as we can, we need to get off this rock anyway
mircea_popescu: Namjies i guess so. but i don't want to hurt them either, i just don't want to end poverty. that's all.
mircea_popescu: i am against all action when that action doesn't have a moral and legitimate profit reason.
pigeons: mircea_popescu: yes, where i live about 15 years ago they mandated "low flow" toliets that take 2 flushes, and the old ones are selling for several hundred dollar premiums and i've sold out
Namjies: not the fuckwits, they might well be. Both side tend to exaggerate and pull statistics out of nowhere.
smickles: fear of poverty must motivate some good that wouldn't have otherwise arisin
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only thing i like about romania is that none of this shit took any hold (yet)
mircea_popescu: there's a ban on fillament lightbulbs ? they're sold in the stores. fuck you, eu.
pigeons: yeah in usa regular lightbulbs can't be sold starting some date in the future, i dont know if thats changed or what
Namjies: there's a ban on fillament lightbulbs in Europe?
mircea_popescu: funny enough tho, diesel was at a premium (cause of tanks)
mircea_popescu: The first types to go are non-clear (frosted) bulbs, which are off the market since September 2009. Also from September 2009 clear bulbs over 100W were made of more efficient types. This limit was moved down to lower wattages, and the efficiency levels raised by the end of 2012
pigeons: you mean when there is market intervention there are consequences and unintented consequences?
mircea_popescu: i am currently basking in the light of two 200W clear fillament lightbulbs
mircea_popescu: and actually, inspired by this discussion i think ima buy a few more tomorrow.
Namjies: Well I don't particularly like fillament lightbulbs but heck, I don't see a problem with them.
pigeons: bitbulb.com, coming soon to mpex
mircea_popescu: every time the girl blasts some dubious operation to hell there's a string of bs "attacks" on polimedia
mircea_popescu: like, automated acunetix or w/e it's called that thing
mircea_popescu: can't the script kiddies just get together, compare notes and engage in bro-love instead ?
pigeons: yeah i'm sure the same scan will be looking for cold fusion and asp as well
mircea_popescu: /fain/comercial/..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2fetc%2fpasswd
mod6: clearly a bromosexual
Namjies: You want misfits that have found no better way to spend their lonely time than looking to damage web properties to SOCIALIZE and SHARE thing?
mircea_popescu: Namjies i bet you it's butthurt forum people who figure in their own mind they know shit.
mircea_popescu: the only irritating part is that after they fail they don't consequently get assraped by a velociraptor.
mircea_popescu: this lack of dire consequences for failure is getting on my nerves.
Namjies: No, but seriously, they have to share, or they wouldn't have got their hands on their scripts in the first place.
pigeons: no that isnt important to them, they just add the failures to things to try
mircea_popescu: typical 16yo dickery, except 20 years ago they were telling stories about the women they fucked.
Namjies: It apparently works sometimes.
Namjies: Just not so well when you want to attack a specific server.
pigeons: nope. worked sometimes 10 years ago
mircea_popescu: pigeons i want the old west back. you pull your gun and miss ? you'll be missed.
mircea_popescu: he's right Namjies, i did a piece on it a few days ago. people were trying stuff literally patched in the 2005 edition of asp.net
pigeons: it comes about from not having to have any discretion i think. "oh i'm using some wndows botnet, who cares if i lose it". also oh i'll run a tool from someone cared so little about they made it public, and is used for people who don't care about stealth they are using it on their own servers
mircea_popescu: well ya, and that lack of discretion isn't born out of the complete lack of dire consequences for failure ?
mircea_popescu: once kids realise that the worst that can happen if they say something stupid is nothing at all they can never stop yammering.
Namjies: If you scan at large for machines to hack, I'm sure some guy with a single website on a small machine has not updated since then...
mircea_popescu: i can tell by a few pixels and also the very particular time distribution
pigeons: also they scan for shit from 2001
Namjies: Yeah, well as I said, those scripts don't work so well when you want to attack a specific server.
mod6: Attack Mode: Weaksauce
Namjies: But you know there's a few businesses out there that update their software every 20 years or so. An that's almost not an hyperbole.
mircea_popescu: quick quizz : what profession did Delphaline, aged 17 in the pic go into ?
mod6: It blows my mind that any machine that exists on public IP space currently, and is in a legacy OS setup wouldn't already be compromised.
dub: a lot of it will be old bots cut off from the c&c but still scanning
dub: why wouldnt the bill be paid? server is still sitting there doing its job, its just doing another job too
dub: lost count of how many times I've heard 'we got a security expert in to fix it'
dub: who either did nothign at all or patched the hole but left the infection
Namjies: eheh, old bots, forgotten by their hacker and still in use by the business. That little unkown process just sending odd requests outside.
mod6: haha crap. my laptop batter died -- shutting downmy box ...
dub: I had a box get botted many moons ago via ssh bf and a retarded user
dub: imbarassingly I only noticed because I had too many connections to undernet suddenly
Namjies: I have to play that game again.
dub: tracked it to some romanians
mod6: oh anyway, just saying how there are so many random attacks from bots etc. many winders machines get pwned if not updated on the regular
mircea_popescu: Namjies fallout 1/2 rocked. pity they fucked the franchise later.
Namjies: I had some fun with the Fallout Tactics one but really not the same thing.
dub: xcom: enemy unknown, yeah they've jsut done a new one
dub: one of the best games ever
Namjies: Early 90s? I mostly know of NES games
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21417 @ 0.00050215 = 10.7545 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6478 @ 0.00050218 = 3.2531 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: who the hell is proud of having written MANY lines of code ?
mircea_popescu: if someone told me gcc is eighteen lines i'd be impressed. eighty million... sounds like windoze.
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: when did this clown started to code?
EskimoBob: he has serious problems adding 2 numbers or getting a simple function right in spreadsheets
EskimoBob: now he is coding a world best web site? SolidCoin was almost as delusional as this guy
jurov: great. i s'pose intersango is next.
jurov: cryptostocks seem to be linked to vircurex, not to cryptoxchange
EskimoBob: and here we go again. another exchange bites the dust. At least people do not get glbsed
jurov: that remains to be seen
EskimoBob: "we will be...." and everyone gets fucked
jurov: dn't you plan to release these 10k of SLOC (not LOC) open source?
jurov: just i am, cause i'm very curious, how such deadly serious business is coded
jurov: there must be some very enterprise-y techniques involved there
jurov: i'd ask average american
jurov: you mean you have a generator of noncorrect answers?
pigeons: usagi what is the difference between LOC and SLOC?
pigeons: do you have a lot of comments usagi?
EskimoBob: LOL, I guess this guy has no idea wtf "process management" is and how to use it
jurov: dunno, this needs some clarification " you know that all the answers which are wrong are false"
pigeons: jurov: have you never read sherlock holmes man?
jurov: you mean the computer can evaluate truthfulness of sentences?
pigeons: i am sure the Schenectady Light Opera Company is thrilled you donated 10k btc
jurov: and you did it alone over a weekend, I s'pose?
pigeons: if the professional coders duplicated it with half as many SLOC would it cost half as much?
pigeons: will you hire me for a per line project?
EskimoBob: using modern tools and actual experience and knowledge of programming, it can be done for 1/10 or less
pigeons: ok, hire me for the most expensive language
pigeons: let's do the same thing but with a different language. Let's try chinese or something
pigeons: oh ok, let's do one that teaches woodworking then
pigeons: how much would you sell your $300,000 program for?
pigeons: i've worked on some big projects, but my part was quite small
pigeons: You should add "in the cloud" to your site. It will be cooler. Learn japanese in the cloud
pigeons: that's great. are they paying?
pigeons: that's the beauty of this system Bob
EskimoBob: how can you teach something you have no knowledge?
pigeons: you just tell it what is false, and the computer figures out the rest
pigeons: usagi: can we use the program to teach karate?
pigeons: usagi what is your first name by the way? Mine is Dan
EskimoBob: usagi: you are right. I am really bad troll. I am actually not even worth the "troll" name
EskimoBob: usagi: no i do not but I can probably shoot you down from 400 meters :)
pigeons: wait i thought you weren't oliver?
EskimoBob: or just kick your ass with one hand
EskimoBob: i did my study of tao with Mr Norris
pigeons: so you post to r.m-a, and people write songs about you, but you aren't the oliver who posts there and people write songs about? which one are you?
EskimoBob: I am a coder. I am writing a fkn cms from 2001, based on 80's code - fkn fabulous, It will be the best karate teaching page on the world
Diablo-D3: is it bigger or smaller than a breadbox?
Diablo-D3: wait, why would anyone name themselves memvola?
EskimoBob: it is better with out wankers like you ;)
Diablo-D3: thats the esperanto word for willing
EskimoBob: and you have been kicked out from multiple forums
Diablo-D3: I AM OLDER THAN THE INTERTUBES ITSELF
pigeons: usagi: were you born female?
Diablo-D3: ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: Persecution Complex
Diablo-D3: pigeons: usagi wasnt born female, you know how I know?
Diablo-D3: no female can resist my manlyness.
EskimoBob: wtf are you blabbering usagi, you promised to leave and do what ever you do when you are not trolling bitcoin community
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00050218 = 12.4541 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <EskimoBob> now he is coding a world best web site? << maybe he's pasting stuff from the interwebs
mircea_popescu: <pigeons> will you hire me for a per line project? << yes. five cents :D
Diablo-D3: wait, what sort of line? java line or perl line?
Diablo-D3: SLOC meansno comments or blank lines
Diablo-D3: doesnt mean I cant use abusively weird formatting though
kakobrekla: >but the most common definition of physical SLOC is a count of lines in the text of the program's source code including comment lines. Blank lines are also included unless the lines of code in a section consists of more than 25% blank lines. In this case blank lines in excess of 25% are not counted toward lines of code.
Diablo-D3: the real sloc method is just using sloccount
pigeons: anyway it would cost professionals $300K to write that many SLOC!
mircea_popescu: ffs srsly, who came up with bragging about this ? the only time sloc/loc is relevant is if you're trying to determine how much old pos code will cost to maintain
pigeons: Diablo-D3: usagi said $300K
kakobrekla: i dont give a fuck im just trying to get payed for excessive commenting.
Diablo-D3: I've done 10k in a fucking weekend
Diablo-D3: people need to learn how the fuck software development works
mircea_popescu: tbh, i prefer the thigh and i don't think i've done fifty lines yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7022 @ 0.00050218 = 3.5263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13628 @ 0.00050219 = 6.8438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30066 @ 0.00050219 = 15.0988 BTC [+]
temp_kluge: Could someone remind me what the gribble command is to do lastseen? I thought it was ;;lastseen username
temp_kluge: Oh. guruvan hasn't been around in a long while.
temp_kluge: Someone bored and wanna see if they can ssh into 199.27.134.223?
jurov: at leas not port 22
temp_kluge: But I didn't know if it was my mobile tether of 44kbps fucking up or not. :)
temp_kluge: Anyway - that's the address which came up for GLBSE. Maybe Nefario is really worried about the legality of releasing asset info.
jurov: what does it have with ssh?
temp_kluge: Idunno. Futzing around, wondering if Nefario may've left everything wide open to evade liability.
Namjies: Hey, if it was Mad Max, would sound fine, but it's a *MAD* Mad Max
Namjies: Proof: He wants to accept Paypal for a bitcoin casino?!?
mod6: lol first bitcoin casino on the internet my ass
mircea_popescu: btw mod6 there's something i wanted to talk to you about. we could like, make this site right ? except not really a site, more like some servers
mod6: and yeah, .onion bitcoin casinos were pretty awesome in mid-2011, at least playable anyway.
mod6: not just text either, and then seals with clubs
mod6: thats regular intarweb tho
mod6: i used to run a silc server back in the day.
mod6: we all liked it a lot -- its all encrypted by default, etc
mod6: could be an interesting multi-node network or something that could be apart from openprojects
mod6: im not sure it was weak -- per-se...i remember it being based on asymmetric algos
mod6: i'd have to look quick --- haven't looked at it in some time... there might be something better if that's kinda what you were gettin at.
mircea_popescu: The SILC implementation of its own spec is poor in that it is vulnerable to weak authentication which undermines any strong encryption it might have. For example, it is impossible to differentiate between two users whose keys you have verified before. If you verify these two user’s keys, and one of those users decides to impersonate the other one, SILC will happily continue without even mentioning this appalling situ
mircea_popescu: i never used it, but i recall vaguely it was because tech gave it a neg report. this was years ago
mod6: yeah, i guess I was using it like prior to 2004
mod6: anyway, there are other ways if that's the overall goal though
mod6: hhaha, ikr! like 100,000,000 internet years
mircea_popescu: not that i need that much secrecy anyway. da fuck are they gonna expose, my private flirting with internet womenz ?
mod6: haha. i thought perhaps some of the auth stuff could be built into a sortof OTC login model we're doing with gribble...
mod6: i dunno, just a thought of a different way to get everyone auth'd on the same host with their keys without having to rely on a bot or 3rd party app
mod6: food for thought i guess. right now though, it works pretty krad. :]
mod6: yeah, that'll be awesome
mod6: be back in a min here...
pigeons: mircea_popescu: any word from harnett's employers
mircea_popescu: which seems kinda odd. but hey, give them a week or w/e
mircea_popescu: in other news, both cryptoexchange and intersangro are closing, pretty soon we'll be exchangeless at this rate.
Namjies: mircea, somehow, when trying to do a MKOPT, it returns "You need at least 0.00000000 BTC to cover these."
mircea_popescu: Also, fair warning - next week I'll be travelling to Macau, the gambling capital of Asia, to present at a gaming conference. I'll be showing SatoshiDICE to many people, including gambling entrepreneurs and business men.
mircea_popescu: It is possible that certain business deals could happen as a result of this trip. If you were considering buying shares of S.DICE, you may want to do it quickly. Who knows what a rich Macau gambling magnate might think of a system which allows wagering in any amount, from anywhere in the world, anonymously...
Namjies: odd... tells me I need much more than expected
Namjies: isn't put option strike/spot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00050221 = 18.0796 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5222 @ 0.00050225 = 2.6227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6499 @ 0.00050229 = 3.2644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8629 @ 0.00050232 = 4.3345 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so it shouldnt be MUCH more than you expect. maybe a little more
Namjies: gives me 10% extra (excluding 2% fee)
smickles: mircea_popescu: You're going to be the guy presenting sdice to Macau?
mircea_popescu: i'm too old to be going for these tricks, getting arrested in macau and whatnot.
smickles: oh, you were quoting someone then
mircea_popescu: Namjies it wouldn't be a fee tho, the fee is 2%. the collateral oyu get back.
Namjies: eh, sorry, extra collateral
Diablo-D3: but Ive rewritten half of diablominer and modularized the internals
mircea_popescu: Namjies prolly best idea is to do very small bits first, get a good feel of how it works.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130N] 214 @ 0.25593421 = 54.7699 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: I can't stop with the satoshidice. That game is evil. I really thought I was going to hit "big" one day. Every time I would hit big, the standard would raise until I lost control. Big became bigger. I was paying every loan off quickly and was satisfied with the profits + 10 to 20btc.
Namjies: I understand how it works...
Namjies: I wasn't aware the collateral was adjusted
pigeons: beta options at weexchange.co are also 10%
Namjies: lol... I had funds loaned to Lurk on BTCJam multiple times
Namjies: I had them all repaid however
mircea_popescu: there kakobrekla, that's 100 btc that won't be repaid.
pigeons: just started, still testing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla was re Nov 19 00:35:52 <kakobrekla> at least 65 of em
Namjies: Well, at least he's honest about it.
mircea_popescu: he's not even so bad in the hole, coupla hundred btc big deal. he can make that in a month.
Namjies: If he had a job. He's unemployed apparently
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4860 @ 0.00339922 = 16.5202 BTC [-]
Namjies: There's nice PUT bids right now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8500 @ 0.00339922 = 28.8934 BTC [-]
Namjies: Many 5-15% margin on PUTs for next month
Namjies: With the reward halving coming up
Namjies: There's thousands of bids for puts with 0.05 - 0.15 BTC over their current execution value
Namjies: A good net against a price drop and if price stay stable or raises with reward halving, the margin could increase.
Namjies: Well honestly, I'd always feel much safer going with selling PUTs for over their execution price
Namjies: price sometimes drop but eh
mircea_popescu: selling puts is a pretty reasonable way to protect yourself if you have $ and want btc.
mircea_popescu: (if the price drops you lose on the puts but can buy the btc cheaper. if not you make btc)
mircea_popescu: which actually i guess is a position many people are in.
Namjies: I don't see why those PUT bids stay around for so long
Namjies: On another note, apparently, bASIC is shipping...
mircea_popescu: "An estimated 84 percent of coinstar users are women". Not going to comment on this one.
Namjies: That people don't sell into them. I barely see any volume.
mircea_popescu: Nov 18 22:02:22 <assbot> [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.88032553 = 880.3255 BTC [-]
Namjies: But not much compared to all the bids available
Namjies: especially for the ones expiring next month
mircea_popescu: in fact the situation this month where calls got wiped is singular, never happened before.
Namjies: About qualifying Bitcoin as a ponzi because it advantages early adopters.
mircea_popescu: lol. fucking hell, when you'rte born people already have dollars
Namjies: Has anyone brought the stocks arguments yet? With example such as the $10000 Microsoft stake bought at IPO example?
mircea_popescu: i don't think many people give two shits about wikipedia
Namjies: But in any case, the article says Bitcoin has been accused of being a ponzi... not that it meets the definition of a ponzi.
Namjies: Which is, technically, very true.
mircea_popescu: well by this measure Bush was accused of being a reptillian
Namjies: I don't see any problem with that saying.
Namjies: You can say something is anything, and then go around saying that something has been accused of that anything.
Namjies: The accusation is a fact. If what you're accused of is true is not a fact.
mircea_popescu: ya well not all this spam is worth the mention i'd think.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17171 @ 0.00050232 = 8.6253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8674 @ 0.0005024 = 4.3578 BTC [+]
pigeons: lol at people telling the compulsive gambler he should try willpower and what he needs to do is "just say no"
smickles: ^ re: < Namjies> Has anyone brought the stocks arguments yet? With example such as the $10000 Microsoft stake bought at IPO example?
smickles: < pigeons> your pumping is working << naw, if anyone one it was me :P
smickles: eh, not really, but remember i pointed out teh 1% gain possible