thestringpuller: i'm gong to make a bitcoin money laundering service called bitlaundry
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is there any point in buying options if there isn't a big swing
thestringpuller: for instance if you buy puts as insurance to doing business with btc
thestringpuller: so if you're selling some product Y for bitcoins, and you expect the price to drop, you buy puts
thestringpuller: so what if you expect the price to not move much you sell an option?
mircea_popescu: if you expect the price to go up significantly, you buy a call.
mircea_popescu: if you expect the price to go down significantly, you buy a put.
mircea_popescu: if you expect the price to NOT drop significantly you sell a put
mircea_popescu: if you expect the price to NOT go up significantly you sell a call.
thestringpuller: thanks for explaining mircea_popescu, i feel as though I'm one of the ignorant kids sometimes
thestringpuller: un blod de mircea_popescu is being used as a reference for my research paper
jurov: coinbr will have "options advisor" someday
jurov: right after the "navigating the waters of btc securities safely" motto right below the mermaid
jurov: thebigheart, originally for mpex
jurov: as everyone knows, sirens are the symbol of safe navigation :P
jurov: yea, have hard time to decide between tits and boobs
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, what a genius move. buy aapl in btc, six months later aapl is -40% in usd, the usd is -50% in btc... you've made a great investment
thestringpuller: or just do puts on aapl right as they announced the iphone 5
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39349 @ 0.0005024 = 19.7689 BTC [+]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Nov 29 04:58:28 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
jurov: i suspect mpex will celebrate it by finally raising the fee to 50btc
mircea_popescu: on the long term you're better of buying an acct now than later
jurov: no, it's just ponzi, ya know
thestringpuller: if i was an industrialist I would be idle during the day and batman at night
dub: I here ponzi? or Here I ponzi
thestringpuller: send me money so I can send overpriced stamps to my family back in europe
dub: wtf is this .co I keep seeing
dub: and why does its 'nic' have invalid ssl cert
jurov: Every asset issuer receives a daily email showing who is holding their assets. This allows them to move their virtual operation off the site to anywhere else they might choose.
pigeons: really depends on your definition of invalid.
jurov: The use of this site is for educational and entertainment purposes only.
jurov: ^^^they say it themselves
pigeons: i mean regarding dub. the ssl cartels and browser makers' definition of valid isn't the only valid one
Namjies: Well, anyone wishing to sell F.GIGA.ETF before they get delisted at the end of December?
mircea_popescu: pigeons why use their certs if you don't agree with their definitinos ?
pigeons: i don't use their certs for issuer trust
Namjies: You have to use the same thing, except browsers will warn users about your self-issued certificate.
mircea_popescu: listen to me. today some lawyer guy i work with sometimes asked me a bunch of q's about bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i went to the wiki in the browser and firefox popped the warning
Namjies: Firefox doesn't pop me the warning...
Luceo: But if its going to use it, why not get a StartSSL cert or PositiveSSL for $10?
pigeons: well for one cause you login to edit, so your credentials can be stolen, for another for privacy
mircea_popescu: Namjies i agree, in plenty of browsers it works fine. but why cut out a fraction ?
Luceo: I mean fuck, I'll donate the $10
mircea_popescu: pigeons come on, privacy. what's private ? it's a wiki.
Luceo: And they can get a Comodo cert
Luceo: Login details are private
dub: I dont want my employer reading my wiki vandalisation
mircea_popescu: people will get bored with hacking linode and will start hacking wiki accts.
pigeons: if you trust the fingerprint of the cert its not broken. i dont trust any comodo certs
pigeons: only things you think should be private should be private?
Luceo: Comodo certs are fine
mircea_popescu: pigeons should everything be encrypted just because it can ?
Luceo: They work in all major browsers and all major mobile browsers
Namjies: so are self-issued certificates...
mircea_popescu: this is like being in favour of driving wherever possible.
Luceo: Just dont understand not spending $10 on a cert
pigeons: mircea_popescu: it is a valid stance. why cant they offer ssl? why cant people use it?
dub: because security derp
pigeons: i dont understand spending anything on a fucking comodo cert
Luceo: OK, get a geotrust one then...
Namjies: Browsers should not pop such a warning for self-issued certificates. Really sends the wrong message to users.
Luceo: It's irrelevant which issuer you use as long as they're a valid root CA
pigeons: I decide which CAs are valid
Luceo: Whatever the browser moguls are supporting right now
Luceo: Disclosure: I'm a Comodo reseller :P
pigeons: and i decide none of them are. i trust individual fingerprints. yes there are challenges to that, but we're working on them. al ot better already than using networks solutions or comodo
dub: all this is ireelevant anyway
dub: shoot the system monkey that got it wrong, load another from spares
Luceo: Well, I think the wiki is better off accomodating the majority of its users than a few fringes who have a personal issue with CAs :/
pigeons: well i think the wiki shouldt cater to the few fringes who have an issue with centralized currency
Luceo: If you can show that most of those people have an issue with root CAs I'll be happy to defer
mircea_popescu: jesus i didn't realise pigeons had such strong feelings on the subject
jurov: on frontpage there's software on download, better download it over ssl
jurov: although it's rather weak argument
jurov: one should check checksum instead
mircea_popescu: afaik the acct hacking isn't a big deal. does anyone know ?
pigeons: have you seen the woikipedia attack where people figure out what you are looking at by some sort of checksum of the returned encrypted page based on comparing it to the db dumps?
dub: because some assclown like gengix set it up probably
dub: end all further discussion of why it may or may not be retarded
Luceo: .it is less likely to be confiscated I expect
jurov: whois says "Christoph Glitsch"
pigeons: "Christoph Glitsch" owns about11,430 other domains
Luceo: I dunno, it was probbaly set up during last year when all the shit was going down about BTC being investigated because of SR
Luceo: A lot of people were paranoid last year
mircea_popescu: but i fail to see the argument. the italians are way in the top of retarded
pigeons: no it was ther ebefore last year
Luceo: They're also way in the top of not giving a shit about the Internet :P
pigeons: i bet it has more to do with christoph glitch will register you a domain and keep your identity private, so long as you use an .it and yeah that doesnt explain why not wiki.bitcoin.org but maybe some people didnt get along
smickles: < mircea_popescu> but i fail to see the argument. the italians are way in the top of retarded << remember the google employees going to jail b/c some kid posted a vid on youtube of a mentally ill kid being bullied?
mircea_popescu: i also remember some scientists on trial cause they didn' predict an earthquake
smickles: they do give a shit about the internet sometimes then
smickles: oh, lol, yeah, i'd forgotten the earthquake thing
pigeons: louisiana ain't so bad. mississippi now...
smickles: biloxi/gulfport is kinda nice tho
smickles: just avoid the jefferson davis tourist trap
pigeons: morgan freeman wouldnt be so cool if he wasn' ttrying to get away from shitty mississippi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16827 @ 0.0005024 = 8.4539 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5373 @ 0.00050249 = 2.6999 BTC [+]
smickles: i can install steam on my compy, and it shows it working, but a message pops up and says i'm not part of the beta
Azelphur: smickles: allow me to educate you
Azelphur: smickles: in terminal, steam steam://install/440
smickles: no fuckin way, just use the game id?
Azelphur: it's only been that you could install tf2 for a few minutes now
Azelphur: so that may be a bug and revoked
Azelphur: but you could always get into the beta client itself (just not install steam) since the beginning
Azelphur: I've been in the official beta since the beginning near enough
Namjies: Did you know you can unlock or relock any steam achievement too?
Azelphur: you need to run that with steam closed
pigeons: yeah thats the normal message if you're not in the beta
smickles: it's steam steam://install/440
Namjies: You played for almost 7 decades on EACH class. Interesting.
Namjies: 596523.2 hours of play time on each class.
smickles: even if it did, mp isn't allowed to release more than 50%
mircea_popescu: well moreover nobody on mpex can sell more than 50% exactly because shares can't vote.
mircea_popescu: none of that glbse shit with people running companies where they sold 10k shares and have 100 of their own
jurov: like, mircea is to allow hostile takeover? hahaha
pigeons: mircea says hostyle, doggystyle, any style will do
thestringpuller: the stock zuckerberg owns, has like 2-3x the votes as a normal stock bought on the market
jurov: well, if you so crave shares with voting rights, i can privately issue some for coinbr :P
thestringpuller: I secretly want to find a millionaire and buy all the MPOE stock and vote mircea out
midnightmagic: outstanding stock has to be 1) purchasable, and 2) outside of mircea's control to be sold, and 3) voting shares under some kind of structure.
midnightmagic: I suspect since he has technical control of the market, even if the company were a company with proper voting shares, mircea could just physicall halt the sale.
mircea_popescu: the reason it's set up like this is exactly that i don't want to create this possibility where something's due but unenforceable.
midnightmagic: I mean who knows, maybe MPOE doesn't even have transferrable shares.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I literally have no idea at all how you've set up MPOE. As far as I've seen, it's just a sandbox on your webserver that's fun to play with.
thestringpuller: you should put up collateral, if your business is based on a website the bot controllig the exchange should have access to that site
mircea_popescu: honestly i think the nyse is a lot less real rthan mpex atm. all that bs free money, all those algo trades...
midnightmagic: Oh am I naming it incorrectly? Is it MPEX or MPOE?
mircea_popescu: MPOE = mircea popescu's options emporium (the old options trading page)
mircea_popescu: gee whiz, i have my own glossary. i shall name it mpgloss!
thestringpuller: I'm going to trademark all these MP** and not license the trademark to you
mircea_popescu: prolly get a kickback from the trademark office, you pay 1-2k to them, i change the name.
mod6: haha. i used to have cox i think ... it was either that or Charter? out there in tucson
mod6: looks like that is probably las vegas?
smickles: and thestringpuller, good luck getting even 4% of s.mpoe
mod6: lol. UofA is a pretty good school actually.. the real party school is ASU
smickles: My mom was vp of accounting at cox at one point in time
smickles: i'm sure ther's a joke in there
smickles: they moved her to marketing later on tho, i dunno why
mod6: vircurex didn't ever allow exchange of buttcoins i see
mod6: just about everything else though
mod6: oh hey, i finally watched the '65 version of Doctor Zhivago -- it was pretty great actualy
mod6: I forgot how in older movies that many of the credits are in the beginning of the movie.
mod6: i read all these classic type books over the last four to five years -- i was talking with mircea about it a while ago
mod6: kinda lead me to watch the old 65 version of that movie. was worth the 3 hours, it did the novel justice... which of course is fantastic
Namjies: Space Travel Guide: Did you know Muricans are naturally so round and fat you don't need any oil to cook them into fried meatballs?
Namjies: Ensuing abductions and missing people throughout America
Namjies: Well sometimes keeping it stupid simple makes a lot of sense.
Namjies: I don't see much logical reasons "aliens" would do most of what some people claim.
Namjies: Well... it wouldn't make a lot of sense for such advanced species to do such things.
Namjies: Being advanced enough to visit us, they'd probably have zero interest in meddling with us or the Earth.
Namjies: But the nonsense spawned many great games tho.
jurov: of course. like white men have zero interest in meeddling with indigenous rainforest tribes.
Namjies: No, I meant, if you're technologically advanced, you're probably going to be able to use solar power to constantly recycle the same matter before being able to travel efficiently between stars
Namjies: Which kinds of destroy the whole need to go exterminate indigenous races and take their planet
Namjies: There's enough brute resources (basic elements) everywhere not to care about Earth.
Namjies: There's even that movie where they abduct people and take their brains out to place them into biounits to serve as processors. How pretentious is that of us? They need our brains!
jurov: i hope so. but still, while like, 99,99% of us can go by without mahogany wood or ivory
jurov: the few who do not, cause some havoc
dub: not to mention tiger penis
Namjies: Oh right... What did Futurama tell us? Ah yes, human trunks are excellent aphrodisiacs.
jurov: that's not necessary
Namjies: If they're still going after such senseless things, I'll call out how a miserable failure their society is before harvesting me.
jurov: an equivalent of donald trump who bulldozed unique nature reservation on scotland
jurov: for his golf course
Namjies: Why would aliens do such things specifically on Earth?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00050249 = 12.6879 BTC [+]
jurov: why would trump build his cours especifically there? just because
Namjies: They could basically produce/multiply anything anywhere in outerspace.
dub: I think this might be the most retarded conversation ever
Namjies: But trump had to put it somewhere on Earth because it's not feasible to just put things in space.
Namjies: No need to harvest humans or mine Earth or take the space on Earth.
jurov: usually they make golf courses on wasteland cause they need lots of chemicals to upkeep, he did not have to put it there
dub: its the same reason china extincts an animal because they think eating its penis has medicinal benefits when it doesnt
Namjies: Maybe the place was close and just nice looking...
jurov: Yes. Earth is quite a nice looking place, too
dub: with any luck aliens will come here and harvest both china and donald trump
jurov: or become addicted to a maple syrup, did you read that?
dub: that aliens are addicted to maple syrup?
jurov: (John Ringo's Live Free or Die book)
Namjies: If they get addicted to maple syrup they can probably just copy it indefinitly at home...
Namjies: Instead of taking the few that's available on Earth
Namjies: Open harvesting of the maple trees is probably super inneficient too...
jurov: that probably falls into that mahogany/ivory argument, too. we do have decent synthetic replacements,.
Namjies: I meant they can probably make a 100% identic replica with an error of less than 1 atom.
dub: now you're just being silly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 777 @ 0.00050249 = 0.3904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14929 @ 0.0005025 = 7.5018 BTC [+]
smickles: Azelphur: did you have to update your drivers or anything like that?
smickles: Azelphur: which way did you have to do it?
Azelphur: I did it with jockey like it tells me to :P
Azelphur: smickles: I actually had it running on my AMD netbook on the open source drivers
Azelphur: if you have a decent card, it may well run at a decent fps using open
smickles: oh lol, my install doesn't give me the open option /me just noticed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00050223 = 15.0167 BTC [-]
dub: smickles: that is an unbelievably dull drama
dub: doyouevenlift84 should certainly remain banned
smickles: dub: heh, that giftube link is a 'reliable source'
smickles: oh, and it's wikipedia, i don't expect the drama to be much better than that
dub: 14 year olds can be fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10769 @ 0.0005025 = 5.4114 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00050252 = 18.4927 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1831 @ 0.00050257 = 0.9202 BTC [+]
dub: mircea_popescu: you should collect a bounty to make a film of yourself delivering flowers to nefario
mircea_popescu: by means of affixing forgivemenots to my cock and having him lick them off ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00050257 = 9.4483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6096 @ 0.00050257 = 3.0637 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12598 @ 0.00050257 = 6.3314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23706 @ 0.00050259 = 11.9144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13415 @ 0.00050259 = 6.7422 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18585 @ 0.00050267 = 9.3421 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 915 @ 0.00050267 = 0.4599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41918 @ 0.00050268 = 21.0713 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2132 @ 0.00050268 = 1.0717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1502 @ 0.00050268 = 0.755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00050234 = 0.5023 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00339922 = 0.5099 BTC [-]
guruvan: my wifi is working - that's pretty good news EskimoBob :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00050255 = 15.956 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: I guess guruvans wifi was "almost working" :)
EskimoBob: no, I did not tell him that because he is actually releasing the sh info
EskimoBob: 4 eq's got it last night and 4 will be released today and so on
EskimoBob: and hi promised to update his blog too.
PsychoticBoy: ok so if I understand this correctly, he delays it again with months if he only gives info to 4 ppl each day
EskimoBob: PsychoticBoy can you sign it over to me? :)
EskimoBob: I'll use your billions for good deeds only
PsychoticBoy: I should have kick him in the nuts when I had the chance in London
PsychoticBoy: Public James McCarthy Hitman rental pool: 19R1QWDSEYN8X3yLdJPpSbwnR8Ka3LEFxP JOIN JOIN JOIN
jurov: no ssh port open , tho :/
Temp_Kluge: Assuming it was already said here, too -- Nef apparently released at least partial asset info to giga, so maybe there's a shot.
Temp_Kluge: Hopefully it's not just a list of people who filed a GLBSE claim and ticked the "send to Issuer" box.
EskimoBob: fkn usagi is following me around the forum like a sick pervert.
EskimoBob: he probably wrote 33000 lines of code to get the alert
EskimoBob: kakobreklaaa: me poking this shitbird was really nothing. He got his ass kicked by multiple people and multiple time
EskimoBob: because he kept fucking up and ling over and over
gigavps: why all the hostility in the channel
gigavps: PsychoticBoy is a little upset
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00050237 = 11.0019 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: yuuuuuuuuup I am upset, some ppl think they can do whatever they want with others property
Luceo: Who's James McCarthy?
EskimoBob: Luceo: man who glbse'd you and others for a month or more
jurov: gigavps, i hope you don't rave prematurely
jurov: wait till you get really everytihng
EskimoBob: now, if someone can squeeze that scumbag Trendon and make the BTC flow back to us...
EskimoBob: if not, hang this fucker and end it for good
gigavps: jurov i'm not raving about anything
gigavps: this whole mess is just beginning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00050237 = 5.2749 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00050255 = 9.9254 BTC [+]
smickles: 13:11 < EskimoBob> no, I did not tell him that because he is actually releasing the sh info
smickles: 13:11 < EskimoBob> 4 eq's got it last night and 4 will be released today and so on
smickles: 13:11 < EskimoBob> he can do up to 4 issues per day
jurov: no, just nmap requires it
smickles: mircea_popescu: sudo is a command to run a command as root, if you have the permission to use it
mircea_popescu: By 1927, only the richest 2% of taxpayers paid any federal income tax
Namjies: So... apparently, nefario started to send out asset lists...
Namjies: Mircea, you might actually have to find someone to buy ASICMINER shares from.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00050268 = 5.4792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10198 @ 0.00050268 = 5.1263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00050272 = 10.356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11852 @ 0.00050272 = 5.9582 BTC [+]
dub: <gigavps> this whole mess is just beginning
dub: science comes to -assets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1098 @ 0.00050272 = 0.552 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10252 @ 0.00050278 = 5.1545 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11348 @ 0.00050278 = 5.7055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5052 @ 0.00050278 = 2.54 BTC [+]
Ukto: I was looking back on GLBSE's pricing.. "Sell fee rate, paid by seller: 0.5%" && "Buy fee rate, paid by seller: 0.5%" Couldn't that have just be written as "1% Fee paid by seller on instant orders" ?
Ukto: It just seems kinda messed up way to do it
dub: really? glbse did something stupid? surely not!
dub: be careful with these accusations, you wouldnt want to ruin nefario's reputation!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10198 @ 0.00050278 = 5.1274 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6102 @ 0.00050282 = 3.0682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00050282 = 8.1457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 3300 @ 0.00280004 = 9.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18798 @ 0.00050282 = 9.452 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00050287 = 10.6106 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6592 @ 0.00050288 = 3.315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00050288 = 7.9958 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6328 @ 0.00050262 = 3.1806 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24797 @ 0.00050247 = 12.4597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3458 @ 0.00050288 = 1.739 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00050289 = 3.2185 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17895 @ 0.000503 = 9.0012 BTC [+]