mjr_: so, we can agree, you don't care about the changes, they don't affect you, they are irrelevant
mjr_: they may cease to exist
mircea_popescu: what's logically impossible is to imagine the bitcoin protocol is something that extends all the way to your soup.
mjr_: they may be misguided or stupid
mjr_: but they are changes
mjr_: i didn't bring up soup
mjr_: i am talking about running diff on code
mjr_: easy way to see if things have changed
mjr_: ok...and if i add acceptable messages to a protocol
mjr_: that protocol changed
mjr_: for example, you added commands to mpex
mjr_: that changed the protocol of what messages were acceptable to mpex
mjr_: and i can do it all day
mircea_popescu: notrly. it only changed it when old ones stopped working.
mjr_: so you only changed it
mjr_: and bitcoin is the miners to change
mjr_: for fucks sake, there was a fork in the fucking blockchain because people didn't agree on which version to use
mjr_: how could you have a clearer example of the protocol changing
mjr_: and there was a conflict
mjr_: the change that happened?
mjr_: how can something thta doesn't exist die
mircea_popescu: anyway, here's the story : i hire you to lay bricks for me. that's your job.
mjr_: no, my ability to do my job
mircea_popescu: one day job was "lay bricks with hat", the next" lay bricks without hat" ?
mjr_: how you would describe me to someone who you wanted to find me
mjr_: find my employee, he is the guy laying bricks wearing a hat
mircea_popescu: well so there you go. you wish o matter personally, but i don't give a shit. im your employer not your lover.
mjr_: that description is no longer valid on a different day
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: thx guys something went south during server swtich
mjr_: i am saying that right now, i can use multisig
mjr_: the job that is done has new possibilties
mjr_: i can lay bricks or i can lay cinder blocks
mjr_: but you think i can only lay bricks
mjr_: and you only want bricks
mjr_: i'm not saying that you have to change, i am saying that new features are added
mjr_: you don't have to use them
mjr_: you don't have to notice or care
mjr_: that doesn't change reality
mjr_: there are new features that the bitcoin protocol allows
mircea_popescu: reality is not what some derps somewhere feel is the case.
mjr_: reality is the state of the world
mjr_: the state of the network
mjr_: i don't give a shit about a derp saying anything
mjr_: i give a shit about a transaction crafted a certain way included in ablock
mjr_: and those transactions, that you say don't exist
mjr_: so either, things that are recorded in a block don't matter
mircea_popescu: including pictures of twelve year olds taking horse cock.
mjr_: you could call all of the data random
mjr_: i could view all of the blockchain as random
mjr_: it is statistically possible to get that arrangement of bits by chance
mjr_: we choose to ascribe meaning to this configuration
mjr_: from this meaning, we can maintain records
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mjr_: and new records are allowed in, and are accepted as being records
mjr_: if that is not the case, then none of bitcoin protocol matters, because it is subjective
mjr_: i don't think your tx is anything other than random data
mircea_popescu: it matters precisely because it is subjective, and accepted.
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mjr_: and those features you don't like are accepted and valid
mircea_popescu: this is what renders the subjective but unaccepted parts irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: and until the day they're accepted by me, they don't exist.
mjr_: i, perhaps the only one, do not judge bitcoins protocol by what you find valid
mjr_: i judge it based on what i need, and what i can do
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mircea_popescu: so your bitcoin has changed, mine hasn't, there we go.
mjr_: that if i send a multisig tx to someone, they will in return send me 1,000,000 bitcoin
mjr_: i do it, i get the money
mjr_: do i care? not at all
mjr_: the market decides what features are in bitcoin
mjr_: same as it always has
mjr_: and if i need to do business with you
mjr_: i can work with the limited subset of the protocol you find valid
mjr_: there is no reason why people can't send floppy disks to people who have the right converters
mircea_popescu: "the market" doesn't decide jack shit. if "the market" decides things, we might as well make coinbase the new fed and welcome wall street on their own terms.
mjr_: it is still a valid form of recording data
mjr_: if the market thinks that is a good idea :)
mjr_: i don't have to though
mjr_: i believe you conflate backwards compatible, or option with identical
mircea_popescu: so, yeah. the market may decide anything it wants for just as long as it stays strictly within what i find paltable. that';s how this thing works.
mjr_: i have an option to use multisig
mjr_: yeah, you use the parts of it that you like, and don't use the parts you don't
xmj: i have an option to have a girlfriend
mircea_popescu: you have an option to do whatever the fuck it is you want to do at all junctures anyway.
mjr_: maybe i overly jump to your hyperbole
mjr_: why not just go ahead and say that bitpay doesn't exist?
mircea_popescu: notably, you could have used multisig at any point starting in 2009, and plenty of people did.
mjr_: yeah, you could have
mircea_popescu: you can share keys and whatnot with or without bitcoin.
mjr_: you also could have sent coins to an ip address
mjr_: i cannot now send coins to an ip address
mircea_popescu: and if one day they include a weather service in some client, that'll be about as much change.
mjr_: in other words, a change
mjr_: but if i only wanted to be able to send to ip addresses
mjr_: if that was my core feature set
xmj: when will bitcoind be able to read/send email?
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mjr_: but also, someone who can't actually use the network for what i want
mjr_: how can you fork without changing?
mircea_popescu: and a welcome one at that. fucking ip addresses nuttery.
mjr_: so get rid of a stupid features
mjr_: sounds like a good CHANGE
mjr_: i don't suck his dick
mjr_: he made tons of mistakes
mjr_: and lots of good stuff
mircea_popescu: yeah, but he was also the only one with the authority to make changes.
mjr_: overall, way more good
xmj: again i want to mention the NSA => satoshi article
mjr_: passed that down to gavin
xmj: and i'm perfectly too lazy to copypaste it.
mjr_: well...apparently the legions of the faithful didn't know that
mjr_: because they have been letting gavin make tons of changes
mjr_: which the miners faithfully run
mjr_: doesn't mean you have to
mjr_: that they can add what ever fuckery they want
mjr_: as long as they don't affect the things i use
mjr_: start greenaddresses or purpleaddresses
mjr_: i don't care, as long as i can generate my own address whenever i want
mjr_: and do business with who i want
mjr_: i won't say that things i see don't exiest
mjr_: i will say they are stupid
mjr_: and there is a better way
mjr_: but you can't call something stupid if it doesn't exist...
mjr_: and i know how you love to call things stupid...
mircea_popescu: what are you talking about ? abstractions don't exist they get called stupid all the time
mjr_: in fact, physically
mjr_: there is an arragement of neurons in a certain configuration in some physical space
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mjr_: so...ideas are not magic
mjr_: any more than thoughts
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mjr_: like anything else that can be interacted with
xmj: godovo: take it with a tablespoon of salt.
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mjr_: anyway, i really don't understand your point
mjr_: and i feel like i have belabored mine
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mjr_: and i didn't want to talk about this anyway
mjr_: i really just wanted to look at options prices to figure out if i could arb something
mjr_: and mpex.co doesn't work for me now, so i found the other site
mjr_: but i still want to know what derps are
mjr_: also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore
mjr_: besides mircea_popescu and kakobrekla
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: heh i recognize him as the cuckold husband from flight of the conchords
mjr_: btw, you heard about my new job?
mjr_: i expected to be made fun of a bit more
mjr_: vp of biz dev (don't laugh)
mjr_: i get to do what i want
mjr_: program, try new things
mjr_: as long as i get to do what i want
mjr_: i wanna tell you about my other project though
mjr_: not btc related lol
pete_dushenski: mjr_: does "biz dev" entail trading into your own orders?
mjr_: at least if you mean on the lending market
mjr_: i wouldn't put my money there
mjr_: always great to come back home to bitcoin-assets
mjr_: how'd it go in romania? i was pissed i couldn't make it
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pete_dushenski: "Dry excavation work in the new Suez Canal commenced on Sunday as three thousand trucks and loaders in addition to 7,500 workers began work on site," << suez canal 2.0 !
mjr_: don't know about that
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski omfg you gave me a moment of pause cause i thought your line's assbot's
mjr_: no lender has lost money, we have never been hacked
mjr_: people trade on them
mjr_: as far as exchanges go, i think we are pretty good
mjr_: don't know of many other exchanges i like better, its why i went to work for them
mjr_: can't give back an order id on a trade
mjr_: but i guess i am "advanced" in that respect
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'd love to read the canaltalkforums where all the "business ceos" go to ipo for their new dig projects and special usg contracts
mjr_: one of the US exchanges? with a proctology exam for free?
mjr_: think that maybe the idea was similar, but don't think the execution was similar
pete_dushenski: mjr_: it is now. please to send 1 btc for private invitation to join
mjr_: xmj: what was that about?
mjr_: but didn't know in what context to read
mjr_: cool that you do free_bsd
mjr_: i like debian personally
mjr_: mircea_popescu: so, how is the game going?
xmj: mjr_: you said "03:20:19 <+mjr_> also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore"
mjr_: i mean that i miss the people i used to see
mjr_: and that none of them are here anymore
xmj: note to self: mjr_ is a candidate for goldfish memory
mircea_popescu: Giancarlo Devasini / J.L. van der Velde / Raphael Nicolle << which are still involved ?
xmj: mjr_: bully them into being here (or, create positive incentives)
mjr_: no clue how to go about doing that
mjr_: i think they may have gotten burned out
mjr_: don't have their addresses
mjr_: just #bitcoin-assets
mjr_: so now, i think i know asciilifeform mircea_popescu kakobrekla
xmj: i've been drinking with fluffypony does that count?
xmj: am i in the 'ingroup' now? :D
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mjr_: another change in the protocol around here
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mjr_: ah yeah, and of course jurov
mjr_: feel a little better
mjr_: what do you think of this slovenia conference
mjr_: i figured it wasn't the slovenia i was going to like...
mjr_: but i was hoping they started it
mjr_: but figured bitstamp started it
mjr_: mircea_popescu: were you critical of bitlicenses?
mjr_: kind of a silly question i suppose
mjr_: but i just think that it is funny, i think the "bitlicense" is a penalty for people who don't use the blockchain
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell nubbins` what denomination of casascius coins did you find buyers for today?
mjr_: well, all i meant was
mjr_: if you use the blockchain
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mjr_: bitlicense doesn't apply to you
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cazalla: "Individuals also have the choice of taking the repayment in ether; in those cases, we will simply not send the BTC, and once all repayments have been processed we will publish all of the additional ETH that has been sold in this way (note that this is equivalent to sending individuals their BTC and letting the recipients send it right back into the exodus)."
mjr_: if you try to use bitcoin to replicate the old system (hand your money over to someone and trust them)
cazalla: it will be interesting to see how many opt for ether instead of bitcoin
mjr_: almost like lawsky wants to force people to use bitcoin rather than coinbase
xmj: mircea_popescu: remember what it occurred over?
xmj: mircea_popescu: i said that non-cashflow-positive startups use EC2.
xmj: mircea_popescu: don't negrate people for stating truth next time, please
mjr_: by the way, anyone gonna tell me if i can play this game where i can buy things with bitcoin?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no dude, you got negrated for attempting a powerplay with me.
mjr_: i don't remember, when you were interested in eve
mjr_: a game where i could put things into the world using bitcoin
xmj: mjr_: find something where you can pay through Stripe.
xmj: mjr_: bam you can pay with Bitcoin.
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xmj: if you take that as powerplay
xmj: i have observed countless startups who do things with EC2 and S3
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski, BingoBoingo: gpg homedir permissions. fixd.
mircea_popescu: the problem was (and am starting to suspect remains) your mistaken notion that you have a lot to give and relatively little to take.
mircea_popescu: not that this worlview isn't common with twentysomething impudent cocklets. but it is universally working to their detriment.
mjr_: working, playing around on some projects
mjr_: only been 2 weeks, but i like the guys i work with, i have a lot of autonomy
mjr_: before that i was working at coinapult, which was also fun
mjr_: built locks with some cool people
mjr_: not sure what you think of those, guessing not good
mjr_: i expect to be torn to shreds here
mjr_: which is not that bad
ben_vulpes: i really have no opinions about these things
mjr_: locks is the newest product
mjr_: which is basically pegging bitcoin to some asset
mjr_: nothing, that project was done, and i like the guys at bitfinex
mjr_: still hang out with the coinapult crew
mjr_: going to eriks wedding in sept
mjr_: so you say want to have an amount of bitcoin that reflects the gold/usd price
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, lots of history there. bitfinex was a coupla twerps that took the leaked bitcoinica codebase and started a new bitcoinica, back in 2012ish ? early 2013 ? (that code was in the wild because after the nth breach, amir taaki of bitcoin consultancy fame "open sourced" it by releasing it without rights)
☟︎ mjr_: we hedge, and you will always get say an oz of gold worth of bitcoin
ben_vulpes: i ain't letting anyone hedge with my coins
mjr_: yeah bitcoinica was a fuckup
mircea_popescu: then about six months or so later some people involved had a very public breakup replete with tardstalk scam tag requests, much in the manner the bitcoin magazine takeover worked
mjr_: hold up, you are talking about bitcoinica?
mircea_popescu: then not a peep for about a year. so someone with some sort of competence took over. but mjr_ ain't telling who.
ben_vulpes: if i want to turn my paper dollars into paper gold, i'm just going to whelk my fiat down to Schwabe and let them do what they do
kakobrekla: id say bitfinex chumpatron is working just fine
mjr_: that may have been the nicest thing i've heard mircea_popescu say
mircea_popescu: mjr_ but kakobrekla has a good q, what happened at coinapult ?
mjr_: i worked on locks, since i knew a little about hedging
mjr_: but i like doing more than just programming
mjr_: and have a few projects
mircea_popescu: so you're still in panama. basically what, erik bought bitfinex ?
mjr_: so i figured i would find something that lets me do more stuff i like, but still program
mjr_: he is busy working on his wedding
mjr_: not sure if he could afford it...maybe
mjr_: but i'm going to eriks wedding in sept
mjr_: but yeah, i mean, you know me, i like to talk
mjr_: and programming != talking much
mjr_: so, felt a little one dimensional
mircea_popescu: well someone's behind there, the people originally involved with bitfinex ain't got the resources required.
mjr_: and now i get to talk, they wanted someone to be out in public
mjr_: yeah, that is the beauty of that place
mjr_: is that ego doesn't get in the way
mjr_: always looking to improve
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mjr_: bring people who know more, fill in gaps
mjr_: since the 15th of july
mjr_: yeah, around 3 weeks
mjr_: i loved the way they phrased it
mjr_: they said we know you have a lot of projects
mjr_: we want to pay you to put us at the top of the list
mjr_: and will try to help you with your other projects because we are serial entrepreneurs
mircea_popescu: you specifically ?! how the hell does some dude in france even know you.
mjr_: davout knows me...he is in france still right?
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mircea_popescu: a okay, i see. so apparently a guy i actually know took over that outfit. (no, not erik)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which'd explai nwhy they've not done anything spectacularly stupid in the last while.
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mjr_: a bunch of good guys work there
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mjr_: and i like the way they are going
mjr_: anyone can fill me in on derps those links didn't work
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ben_vulpes: mjr_: weren't you at bitpay for a while?
pete_dushenski: wondering if that last 2btc bet on ltc is gonna squeak in (wasn't mine fwiw)
jdanks: i really needa figure out this whole WoT thing
jdanks: I've created PGP keys for stuff before not knowing what I was doing. I love all your posts mircea. you are a good man, standing up to bad peoples and finding who's trully trustworthy (:
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mjr_: ben_vulpes: nope never at bitpay
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jdanks: hallo mr. popescu keep up tha good fight :)
jdanks: somebody gave me voice. i have no pgp keys or nothing. name is john
jdanks: i'm a mechanical engineer turned internet of things engineer
jdanks: i have great plans to put blockchains on mesh networks. and i invest in coins i think aren't shit. i go for the long calls. yea i havent had time. i just sort of stumbled upon your kingdom the last few days
jdanks: i'm sure i can figure it out but it'll be pushed aside till I have an empty weekend
RagnarDanneskjol: he's cool - I just turned him on to trilema the other day and his head blew
mircea_popescu: someone should go for Individual Person Guy as a name.
jborkl: I am going to publish the #bitcoin-assets Bitcoin awards
jborkl: I need categories and reasons
jborkl: None need to be valid and must be funny in some twisted way
jdanks: i'll maybe go for that award lol
jborkl: The PR release will be full
jborkl: Who has Bitcoin best boobs?
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jborkl: Great , I can go with that.
jborkl: Most meaningless PR I can throw a dart
mircea_popescu: "Worst pr move masquerading as an award", you can give that to the bitcoin foundation for the two bit idiot debacle.
jborkl: Awesome on the tits story. That wins with 4 palms award
jborkl: Lol, that wins for sure.
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jborkl: So that is three categories, this is going very fast
mircea_popescu: left the guy a comment to come here, not approved yet, but anyway, if he shows up someone voice him
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jborkl: Category : worst Bitcoin idea
mircea_popescu: jborkl "most satoshi-like individual that's not acually satoshi"
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mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal guy has a tenuous grasp on facts. which, for an outsider, i guess is laudable.
jborkl: Hah anyone named satoshi is chased by English press
jborkl: Well, onto real categories
jborkl: Best blog I cast my WOT only vote for trilema
bitcointrader_: Anybody doing OTC derivatives on here? Like put options or forward contracts?
SuchWow: lol either give me permanent voice or stop giving me temp voice. all it does is ping me, and i don't usually have anything to say, just observing :)
SuchWow: one day i'll be more interested and educated on the topics of discussion and investments here, and when that's the case, I'll speak up for sure :)
TheNewDeal: omg absolute riduloustardedness "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."
SuchWow: dogeywoof: not being mean, it's just once you've been temp upped like dozens of times, it pings you twice in an hour, its just kinda annoying is all. Yes I should've just asked nicely for perma voice tho lol
jborkl: Anyone else with WOT want to vote?
jborkl: If you do , later tell me , I am going to write it in the morning.
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mircea_popescu: jborkl this suggests a ready expansion to Jason's bot. it could hold propositions for voting, like a gpg-poll thing.
jborkl: Cool idea, I will start on that
bitcointrader_: mircea, is there an escrow service that does otc derivatives?
mircea_popescu: !reg "Who should be the derpiest" and it gives you an index, then !vote 1224543 herpy and it tallies "herpy" +1
mircea_popescu: bitcointrader_ an escrow service does any deal, what difference does it make to it.
jborkl: Very good idea, and it will piss a bunch of people off
bitcointrader_: they can take collateral from both sides to ensure no counterparty risk
jborkl: Let's see coindesk plagiarize that heh
jborkl: Ok make sure to vote ! +12 hours from now voting ends. WOT only 1st anal #bitcoin-assets awards
bitcointrader_: yout payout like a CFD. It's not fully eliminating cp risk but if you deposit 50% with escrow is covers a substantial amount. Just have an auto stop loss in place
mircea_popescu: in general, people trade otc as in, otc. major players
mircea_popescu: they knoe each other, they trust each other, escrow is not the problem.
bitcointrader_: how are you settling your option and future contracts today?
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turbo_ac100: Yeah. I had a WOT rating here from kakobrekla. And I had a super-secure password. Only one is left.
TimSwanson: Hello, all of my passwords are 1234abcd
TheNewDeal: went to go jerk off, shower, then I come back and BAM it's trading at .0101 something
TimSwanson: Anton suggested I come chat, I saw mircea's comment on my site
TheNewDeal: got caught with the late bet once again
TimSwanson: i have to go in a bit, but can chat for a few moments
mircea_popescu: ok, let me explain to you why your "ad hominem" approach is broken.
TimSwanson: I have read your post 3 times, you do not cite any data
mircea_popescu: you may generously represent yourself as equal to all people, myself included. this however is false : i am a major player in a major revolution. you are practically nobody, or if we're charitable a minor player in a lengthy tradition, if we are again charitable and consider the us derpage somehow related to european academia as a human thought adventure.
mircea_popescu: now, if you want to talk about my think, and i say you're stupid, this can not be waved aside by you claiming it's an ad hominem.
TimSwanson: That is what the authors of articles in The Economist, do not sign their names
mircea_popescu: i would know if it were or if it weren't. you, however, wouldn't.
TimSwanson: because the arguments are supposed to stand for themselves
mircea_popescu: so. inasmuch as you wish to continue, on the general expectation that bitcoin will eventually conform to your worldview, you're more than welcome to it.
TimSwanson: Mircea, you need to deal with the content of the chapters
mircea_popescu: however, this will positively never happen. bitcoin will just ruin academia as you know it and that's that.
TimSwanson: And not just say "hey, I don't know him"
TheNewDeal: because he desparately needs your attention
TimSwanson: I know reading is hard in caves in Romania
mircea_popescu: you don't get to say how these debates work. again, because bitcoin.
☟︎ TheNewDeal: otherwise he falls off into the blogosphere
mircea_popescu: the problem is that you don't klnow me, and by extension bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: you're stuck working with strawmen whether you want to or not.
mircea_popescu: which is why the stuff yo usay is lulzy to people here, but not to you.
TheNewDeal: I have a bone to pick with this statement "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."
TimSwanson: You said I was a "environmental scholar"
mircea_popescu: i scored you. the difference here is that in order to attack you we'd have to share something. we do not.
TimSwanson: I hope you enjoy your journey on the High Horse
TimSwanson: If you clicked "About the author" you might know
TimSwanson: I do a lot work with Bitcoin startups, legal ones
mircea_popescu: now, i may well have misunderstood you. so, what do you do ?
TimSwanson: I work doing market research for Bitcoin companies
TimSwanson: Any other personal insults you'd like to make?
mircea_popescu: looky : i've been fran kto you. now, can i get a frank answer to what exactly it is you do, for a living ?
TimSwanson: I get paid to interview people, find out what they do and then write it up
mircea_popescu: you think this is somehow more respectable than "evironment scholar" ?
TimSwanson: I have never done anything with the "environment"
mircea_popescu: Timothy Swanson Timothy Swanson is an American economics scholar specializing in environmental governance, ... << is this you ?
TimSwanson: I used to actually build mining machines
TimSwanson: If you actually clicked on my LinkedIn, you would see that is the case
mircea_popescu: okay, i'll have to fix that article, no scholar environmental or otherwise.
TimSwanson: Busy with other stuff, you can click on it by visiting: www.ofnumbers.com/about-the-author
assbot: Tim Swanson | LinkedIn
mircea_popescu: and as to the earlier point : there is no such thing as "legal ones" re bitcoin companies. there's bitcoin companies, and then there's fiat companies that try to make a buck off bitcoin
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol arguably i make a living blogging these days, so who's to know anymore.
TimSwanson: Honestly, I didn't come here to be personally insulted, I thought you actually had data
mircea_popescu: Great Chain of Numbers: A Guide to Smart Contracts, Smart Property and Trustless Asset Management
RagnarDanneskjol: I can make a living camping and foraging, does not make it a real job
TimSwanson: Do you have any actual complaints with say, Chapter 3?
assbot: GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TimSwanson: Yes, I linked to it in my recent book saying it won't work
☟︎ TimSwanson: Look, all you have to do, is read either book and then you can say what you disagree with
TimSwanson: Imagine if the book had no author, then it would just be about the actual content of the book
TimSwanson: Instead, you have wasted about 10 minutes trying to attack me
mircea_popescu: if the book had no author i definitely wouildn't read it.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how this works. things need a source to exist.
TimSwanson: Yes, you should press the blue underlined hyperlink button to open the book
mircea_popescu: this is readily reducible to the problem of "i have a very high wot score". it's not the number. it's the identity.
TimSwanson: Then on the right side there is a "scroll bar", go down to the bottom
mircea_popescu: right. so if you're not interested in bitcoin, why should i care what you wrote down somewhere ?
TimSwanson: My WoT in the real world is pretty good
TimSwanson: You are the one leaving comments on my blog
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the gist of the problem. get interested in bitcoin or get used to not being taken seriously, i guess.
TimSwanson: If you weren't interested, why would you leave it?
TimSwanson: You do not get to decide who is or is not interested
mircea_popescu: i left a comment on an article that pingbacked my article,
TimSwanson: That defeats the whole purpose of permissionless
mircea_popescu: and i left it because it was apparent to me that you don't, on your own, possess the intellectual means to comprehend the problem.
TimSwanson: What is the problem I do not comprehend?
mircea_popescu: now, whether this session helped or didn't is unclear, but at least i tried.
TimSwanson: I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works
mircea_popescu: well, i suppose the way to reference it in your system would be "the wot games".
TimSwanson: You have provided no data for your position
mircea_popescu: you aren't yet enough of a something to be insultable im affraid.
TimSwanson: I have a big network in the real world outside caves
mircea_popescu: well now look. so do you understand the wot or don't you.
TimSwanson: I am interested in research, with data
mircea_popescu: my actual argument is that you're captive in a mostly meanginless structure, and that it's a shame, basically.
mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me what my argument is, now is it ?
TimSwanson: Brought up good points on mining costs
TimSwanson: Do you actually have some data about mining you want to chat about?
mircea_popescu: no, but should you wish to actually learn about bitcoin, this channel is here.
TimSwanson: Haha, you're right, I have no idea what Bitcoin is, at all
mircea_popescu: so you can do it discreetly if ego wound avoidance is such a priority.
TimSwanson: Please, tell me the way, the truth and the light
TimSwanson: Look, you sound a lot like any other religious leader who says "you cannot understand the movement unless you're part of it"
TimSwanson: Either you have an argument with data, or just rhetoric
TimSwanson: Okay, so "a-non had an interesting couple of points
mircea_popescu: what i am saying is that you can never have something meanginful to say about a culture from outside of it.
TimSwanson: The costs of mining have seen and unseen aspects
TimSwanson: Show me the line of code that has "culture" in it?
mircea_popescu: this'd be a fine example of the strawman in question. you imagine this is a meaningful question, but it isn't.
TimSwanson: This si the same problem cypherpunks had back in the '90s
TimSwanson: They built really cool tech like PGP or even Digicash and ZKS but couldn't find a target market in a profitable manner
RagnarDanneskjol: </member><member name="P:Bitcoin_import_key.My.Resources.Resources.Culture">
mircea_popescu: i doubt thinking of those people in collective terms is very sensible, but anyway.
TimSwanson: You have not said anything about mining
TimSwanson: Pretty sure the cypherpunks in California would disagree with you, Phil Zimmerman may have coded it, but they dreamt it up, etc.
TimSwanson: Was nice chatting with the community here
TimSwanson: Feel free to email me if you have any other questions
mircea_popescu: this being the main reason. people get so emotionally invested in their fiat-denominated holdings they simply can't adapt.
mircea_popescu: and it's funny what actually plays the role of fiat-denominated investment in most cases.
mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to extract the footnote in question from chapter 17, lemmeknow. i got a log to read.
mircea_popescu: somehow i'd much rather spend my time reading that than listen to songs someone wrote based on poems they wrote (the world needs more singers-songwriters and fewer doctors and engineers!)
TheNewDeal: I can only presume there's some thick sarcasm I'm missing
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks << this is a major part of why mtgox debacle was so funny to the old timers.
TheNewDeal: oh gotcha. Thought you meant that dude's writings
mircea_popescu: ah, him. well, if he manages to get over himself he might actually do something useful at some point.
mircea_popescu: is this the first time i got called a religious leader btw ?
TheNewDeal: "Bitcoin may be able to do that one day, but maybe not at the current $40 per transaction cost structure. " What troll-drugs is this guy smoking
dignork: TheNewDeal: it sounds like fallacy, but it's partially true
dignork: usdbtcprice/average number of tx per block
TheNewDeal: Gotcha. I was taking it to mean 40$ in fees per transaction
assbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
dignork: TheNewDeal: yeah, but it's an extrapolation, to when miners payouts drop to zero
dignork: mircea_popescu: I think it's a beginning of beautiful friendship. or not.
mircea_popescu: chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ?normal? we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy? << trilema!11!11!eleven :D
dignork: mircea_popescu: not sure, from linkedin pic - 30 or so, i'm bad with age detection
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6952.12 GH/s
dignork: TheNewDeal: so the logic goes: currently miners are reimbursed ~40$ per tx, what will happen to them when payout drops. It's actually a valid question imho.
mircea_popescu: dignork what's that $40 come from, 600ish tx per block, 25 btc per tx, 600 $ per btc ?
mircea_popescu: that's where this lets go : btc price goes up high enough for it to be worthwhile to miners. that tiny cent.
dignork: which might cost gazillions, but you can't count on it, price might rise slower than payout fall
mircea_popescu: what did you think drove the price, "merchant adoption"?
TheNewDeal: then why wasn't there a huge price jump during the reward halving?
mircea_popescu: real prices don't follow fundamentals exactly. this is how you know they're real prices.
dignork: TheNewDeal: well, currently fees are very small relative to pyaouts, so it wasn;t supposed to create price jump
mircea_popescu: if you look at secular averages, there is a huge jump.
dignork: right, so fees jumped from 0.1% to 0.2 #
mircea_popescu: dignork that's not the problem. the equation roughly is, "total btc miners get for mining". how that chunk is composed dun matter much.
mircea_popescu: and it looks like it's gonna go 12.x, and then x as in 6-9ish
TheNewDeal: do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount?
TheNewDeal: I'm just wondering, do yo think that is how things will go?
mircea_popescu: it's a market, unlikely it'll ever go over a buck or w/e.
mircea_popescu: obviouisly. scarce resource, expensive to make. gotta be this tal lto ride.
TheNewDeal: it would be interesting to see if there were peak hours where high fee transactions were the vast majority to get through
TheNewDeal: then off peak, back to some lower levels
mircea_popescu: tefl/tkt ? holy shit, english teachers are now talking about their connections in the world ? what the fuck is wrong with this world, jesus.
jborkl: Never mind the 403 it works
mircea_popescu: everyone's just sell sell sell not even a moment to consider it may be veering into the fucking ridiculous after a while ?
mircea_popescu: punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there << i wonder how much btc they get paid.
gribble: Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00073702 = 32.8711 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop? << three gini guesses, and anything that's not "because they stopped wash trading" dun count.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000" << shoudl be interesting what they rent for 111k. weren't the derps in san francisco whining coupla months ago that 10 / month / sqfoot is "outside of what a business can pay" ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 278 @ 0.00188898 = 0.5251 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: <TheNewDeal> do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount? < only the poor people pay fees
TheNewDeal: is that why bitbet takes so long from resolved to my wallet :D
nanotube: <mircea_popescu> nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or
http://bitcoin-otc.com to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ? <- if you mean by gpg keyid/print, then gpg info supports query by keyid. website does not currently but in theory that can be arranged.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14473 @ 0.00073589 = 10.6505 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: (gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12577 @ 0.00073455 = 9.2384 BTC [-]
cazalla: when did havelock change so that you must be logged in and own shares in order to download reports?
cazalla: it throws me this message when i tried to grab casinobitco.in update - "You must be logged in and own units of the fund"
cazalla: actually, works for some, not others, maybe it's up to whoever listed it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 31 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7822 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2759999 = 0.552 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Aug 11 17:27:18 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu .
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos <<< yes, this is why fires are so dangerous in contemporary urban settings. the smoke kills you more often than the fire.
mircea_popescu: it's a great coincidence that wood burns cleanly and coal only slightly dirty, otherwise civilisation'd have been quite a different thing.
mircea_popescu: i can't decide if i prefer cognac or rum with this chocolate fondue. they're both so damned good!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 322 @ 0.00185138 = 0.5961 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: floats and longs and dates and times and ints and bigints and omg i had no idea computers were insane
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 299 @ 0.001851 = 0.5534 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.27599684 = 1.104 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 36 @ 0.01430999 = 0.5152 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.276 = 2.208 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: i always thought numbers came in a select set of logical groups
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42728 @ 0.00073197 = 31.2756 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the numbers are not the problem. their representation is. much like "ideas" come in sets of logical groups
mircea_popescu: except random derps don't have ideas, tehy have expressions of what they think are ideas.
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punkman: oh wow TimSwanson and his DATA
mircea_popescu: punkman six hours in, log is magically 15k lines long.
punkman: mircea_popescu: I like how he complains about ad hominem and spits them out every few lines
punkman: "WHAT IS THIS ROMANIAN CULT IN A CAVE"
mircea_popescu: the thing with people is that most of them are better served by following than leading. this is manifested by an inability to adhere to a self-selected set of rules. so, you know, he wants to roll with the punches.
mircea_popescu: gotta show me i'm not the only one that can be an asshole!
mircea_popescu: there's a nice quote in that 60s scofield movie on just this topic :
mircea_popescu: The Duke of Norfolk: Oh confound all this. I'm not a scholar, I don't know whether the marriage was lawful or not but dammit, Thomas, look at these names! Why can't you do as I did and come with us, for fellowship!
mircea_popescu: Sir Thomas More: And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience, and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?
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ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5a4d800574af8164a4e5034d6639538d5426c4937ac9c827e2fd40a7
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ben_vulpes: "Could you just run with an always-encrypted wallet instead, and if not, why not?"
ben_vulpes: this guy helped shut watch-only wallets and addresses out of the core client, while merging in heartbleed.
ben_vulpes: but someone making comments like that cannot be trusted with bitcoin code review.
ben_vulpes: i'd be *thrilled* to hear the counterpoint.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. you can already run watch-only addresses.
dignork: ben_vulpes: well, his proper answer would be: here is x-lines of python code, that will overwrite privkey with 0's in your wallet, now load it as read-only
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how are you doing watch only addresses?
mircea_popescu: you can grep the blockchain for chrissakes if nothing else.
mircea_popescu: you can insert any address you want in your wallet. sure, you won't have the privkey to sign with it. so ?
dignork: mircea_popescu: it need to be marked as encrypted, otherwise bitcoind might do stupid things
ben_vulpes: the thing was ready. now i need to go load the wallet.dat format into my brain.
punkman: I am subjecting myself to Swanson's book
punkman: "as detailed in chapter 9, having 100% full reserve is not a feature, it is a bug that holds and prevents the network from reproducing or creating an actual banking system."
mircea_popescu: punkman let me know if you get to something noteworthy.
ben_vulpes: i'd wished to put the time to better use.
punkman: "the security of digitized fiat currencies are arguably just as secure (via cryptography) as cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin; no one steals money off Fedwire or Visa’s system, it is the edges of the network that are the most vulnerable"
punkman: I think these two sum up his preconceptions
mircea_popescu: i doubt the ideological needs of pierce's masters can so readily be summed up.
mircea_popescu: one needs a whole lot of various crap to keep the fiat boat afloat.
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pete_dushenski: "The weirdest part is how it uses ultrasonic sound to jump air gaps," - Schneier
pete_dushenski: "the odd behavior affected not just Macs but also Windows and Linux systems, and only ceased when the microphone, external speaker, and speaker attached to the motherboard were removed."
assbot: #BadBios, aka #BadlyDoneDamageControl pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pete_dushenski: disinfo can be just as sticky, if not stickier, than info
mircea_popescu: guy that made the first pwn2own thing went nuts making insane claims. exactly what impotent bureaucracies trying to pass for dangerous spooks would like to hear.
mircea_popescu: it;'s really quite old. about amonth or so apart from the world famous horseback one.
RagnarDanneskjol: horseback still my fav - was that photoshopped or really @ pyramids?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2672177 = 0.5344 BTC [-]
assbot: If /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash is antifragile, as is often claimed, why are many of its holders so virulently adverse to competition?
pete_dushenski: the best one has my brother and i playing golf in the shadow of the pyramids
mircea_popescu: you can tell her we're just virulently adverse to unselfaware idiocy
punkman: well I've been looking for all that data in the book but I only found copy-pasted charts of dubious provenance and footnote links of dubious provenance. Not even a single link to organofcorti.
pete_dushenski: ^who is nothing like leah and everything like a civilized woman enjoying cairo in style
mircea_popescu: punkman so this is yet another case of "mp makes definite statements on no basis ; later they turn out to be true." ?
mircea_popescu: it sucks being such a religious leader all the god damned time.
mircea_popescu: (this is what i'm going to call people that are right from now on. if leah derpman can make nonsensical statement then chase it with "saying it doesn't make it so" @ som eunfortunate soul that tried to point out she's talking out her butt, why can't i!)
punkman: you know what's really annoying? clicking on a footnote, jumping to end of book, then not being able to go back to the footnote reference
punkman: so hey guys, if you write a book, footnotes go at the end of each page
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1761109.84 in 175 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 275.07
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 7440.49 GH/s
mod6: that thing always has reported in gh/s on its website so I just use that.
mod6: the atc gotw is about to come to a screeching halt. lol
mircea_popescu: Humans are highly adaptive creatures and incredibly ingenious when it comes to modifying our behavior in the face of externally or internally applied pressure and circumstance. ‘Normal’ is a relative term, not some static measurement, and both the body and mind quickly becomes accustomed to the ‘new’ normal when choices appear to be limited and the herd moves to a new grazing field. But this doesn’t mean the
mircea_popescu: results of social pressures and generational conditioning are dictated by human nature or that human nature guides human behavior under these extraordinarily distorted circumstances.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 215 @ 0.00432635 = 0.9302 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: VIX vs. Gold: The ultimate battle between fear & greed | Resource Investor
RagnarDanneskjol: Something within the composition of the relationship between gold and VIX has changed in this timeframe. For the past two years, it has been a largely negative correlated relationship amassing around -0.4 to -0.3. However, come summer of 2013, there has been a dramatic reversal of this trend, pushing it into unprecedented territories of a positive correlation upwards of +0.5. The large swings following summer of 2013
RagnarDanneskjol: before leveling off in April could be noise, or the effects of this relationship changing.
mircea_popescu: only a mind that never played with statistics can think there's something in there.
mircea_popescu: make two random series, fit them, you'll get something more or less like that
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mircea_popescu: maybe he's an analyst as opposed to a cunning linguist.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3387 @ 0.00072833 = 2.4669 BTC [-]
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kyuupichan: Altcoin space undergoing something of a collapse
xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: like your name, heh
pankkake: oooh ltc finaly under 0.01. nice
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pankkake: but what correction? also lol conservapedia
mircea_popescu: <kyuupichan> pankkake: Likely for good this time << prolly.
mircea_popescu: antonosika if you want 2016 delivery we can just do that.
kyuupichan: BRK.A about 348 BTC. Has to go under 314 BTC by March or I'm fscked.
antonosika: Well that's higher risk too. The issue would be being paid 1 Satoshi if delayed. Why not just change it to a second contract with delivery 2016 if delay?
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kyuupichan: If BTC drops it might tempt more into the BRK.A bet, which could be good.
antonosika: mircea_popescu I could do that but I don't see the reason. A contract where one party has a chance to recieve nothing is a large and unnecessary risk
antonosika: Would it be possible to have 2016 delivery but delivery march 2015 provided a few requirements?
mircea_popescu: antonosika the idea here is that the constant admin costs aren't worth it to me.
mircea_popescu: im not looking for an opportunity to play the businessman. i'm sick and tired of the actual work of it.
mircea_popescu: so you'll have to somehow come to terms with a one-off sort of contract. i'm not chaining conditionals.
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kuzetsa: ;;calc [avgprc usd 24h] - [avgprc usd 7d]
kyuupichan: mircea_popescu: Anyone take you up on your Ether offer?
kuzetsa: short term fluctuations on a few exchanges, but the weekly changes have been less than $20usd for a while now from what I've noticed
kuzetsa: I can't recall ever having seen bitcoin exchange rates this stable for so long before
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan the eth scammers pretty much admitted it was all wash trading in some blogpost recently
kuzetsa: I just wasn't aware that was going on
RagnarDanneskjol: lemme know if you want a search run for someone to pick up the slack on those constant admin time costs - just let me know what measurwments you need, blonde or brunette
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol it's not really something one can outsource. liquidity events are notoriously contentious, high level sort of work.
cazalla: but it's silver fluffypony
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kuzetsa: cazalla: wow, that's kinda sick O_O
kuzetsa: I didn't expect it to be a giffed doge snuff film thinger like that, whoa :(
kuzetsa: I don't even like dogs, it still upset me though :(
cazalla: well, it's was dead long before the gif was made so what's it matter
cazalla: mircea_popescu, because he's happy
cazalla: nfi, prob how koreans kill them or something
xanthyos: why is the tail's dog wagging?
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hollywood Bitcoin's Best Tits SexySaffron
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cazalla: f5 f5 f5 f5, romanian to english articles on trilema must be 20:1
BingoBoingo: But English is picking up on trilema. Maybe you have unlucky f5, though many of the Romanian articles offer decent background on things useful for understanding the English ones
cazalla: i should've kept count but i went at least 15 romanian articles before hitting an english one, just-dice martingale strategiser nightmare come to life
cazalla: and i know sign language (auslan) so none of this sole english speaker crap k
BingoBoingo: Where's this comment mircea_popescu left on Tim Swanson's blog?
assbot: Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers
RagnarDanneskjol: I kno - think he removed maybe - dood is a mealey mouthed wanker
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, what's with the ad hom attacks?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hollywood Most Mealy Mouthed Wanker of the Periphery of this Space Tim Swanson
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1762865.42 in 19 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 275.44
pankkake: I'm pretty sure he submitted his thing to reddit himself
pankkake: the titles are so highly suspicious
pankkake: also, I'm fairly sure no one read his thing entirely
pankkake: this has "i want attention" all over it
BingoBoingo: I'll prolly read it since free pdf's == lulz fuel!!!
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pankkake: you had the time to read those 300 pages?!
fluffypony: "GOING TO HAVE TO SCREEN CANDIDATES BETTER. HAD A CREEPY KFC OBSESSED DEVELOPER TODAY CLAIMING TO BE “INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE COLONEL”"
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 222 Last Price: 222 24h-Vol: 662k High: 222 Low: 187 VWAP: 207
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assbot: _nightengale_ comments on This is going to be heavily ignored but this is really important. A long well written paper about the issues with bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: Even before we get to the Content of Swanson's book.... Dude needs a fucking editor/publisher or to read the Chicago Manual of Style.
pankkake: the PDF doesn't display well on my browser, I have text on text
BingoBoingo: page numbering is off, the footnote links suck
BigBitz: Someone loves the sound of their own voice (writing)
BingoBoingo: Seriously why does everyone with a copy of MS Word and Adobe Acrobat think they can self publish, with out the skills, without the practice, to make a fucking document work!
BingoBoingo: Oh, and his footnotes have fucking broken links, because a hyperlink is an insufficient citation format for "a book" even if it is an ebook!
gribble: ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ben_vulpes> yeah.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I love latex, great for documents that actually get printed
BingoBoingo: Latex isn't really something the needs to be learned so much as done with a helpful companion book next to you
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: George Gratzer's "First Steps in Latex" is the book I use
BingoBoingo: SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering
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BingoBoingo: Texas Man Ran $4.5 Million Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme
kakobrekla: We wanted to change the wording on box that hologram seal is an authenticity measure, not a security measure, exactly for this reason. But it was too late and quite big amount of boxes was already printed. We'll change this in a future release of box.
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nubbins`: the thing about doing rainbow-roll t-shirts is that at the end, you've got a big mess of brown ink
nubbins`: how many browns does one shop need?
nubbins`: i should start charging a wastage premium for these
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kyuupichan: lol, a few blocks to ATC diff megaramp and mysterious miner runs away
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pankkake: pete_dushenski: do you have caching or some sort of feed delay?
pete_dushenski: as soon as i clean up the spaces on the php files, it pops out
pankkake: yeah also it only gives the last article
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pankkake: that might be because it's your registered feed reader
pete_dushenski: seems odd that an email app would double as an rss feed reader
pankkake: it also does NNTP (probably always did), Chat (XMPP, IRC, ...)
RagnarDanneskjol: shouldnt it just have the domain after this: </content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss> and not the domain/subpage
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pankkake: kakobrekla: I got the joke, but too lazy to click on the link before
BingoBoingo: F5 is the best news feed, mash it until something new
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kakobrekla: seven nekkid gals reading the news in seven different languages at the same time > F5
kakobrekla: especially if F5 is remapped to shutdown.
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BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: F5 is remapped to the on/of function of Andreas's pacemaker
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pankkake: lol really you get extradited for selling pot?
nubbins`: you get extradited for mailing seeds, which don't contain THC, to another country
nubbins`: before this happened, the all-time harshest punishment for a canadian citizen caught selling seeds was a $200 fine
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pankkake: why? it's very small or something?
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1725635.23 in 2 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 267.51
pankkake: haven't found an ATC block in months
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 250 Last Price: 220 24h-Vol: 337k High: 222 Low: 189 VWAP: 215
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well, mining is hard, but at least volume is up
pete_dushenski: pankkake: BingoBoingo this is why faces in nudie pics are so important
pete_dushenski: even better woulda been a 6-digit hash on the guy's dong
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Exactly, or if not faces sufficiently novel acts to make the nudes meritorious
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BingoBoingo: Shame the things doesn't have much in the way of history yet
pete_dushenski: so it turns out that mr. badbios, dragos ruiu, taught at my alma mater, which is here in town
pankkake: that's how you spot a tiny penis
BingoBoingo: "There was a lot of talk recently about Gavin possibly changing the protocol to increase the number of transactions per block. As this formed quite a bit of chapter 2 I was wondering if you had an thoughts on this." << ALso not a thing that changes the protocol
pankkake: and I certainly wasn't inappopriate or anything
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pankkake: I'm torn between insulting him elsewhere and not doing anything since he just wants the attention
pete_dushenski: the only way he gets more attention is if he stays on the ground rather than 6 feet under
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I mean trackbacks are pretty much the only part of the semanti web that works.
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> kyuupichan the eth scammers pretty much admitted it was all wash trading in some blogpost recently << links, anyone?
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BingoBoingo: RobinWilliams: Nice DIY project. Few are so successful.
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pankkake: that guy looks dumb. then again, I've only read his twits
pete_dushenski: pankkake: he's not dumb so much as born too late to grok the internet
assbot: What Kurdish fighters really need is a motivational hashtag, like /hashtag/AllIn?src=hash or nothing
pete_dushenski: taleb can also be pretty emotional, lashing out on tards at the drop of a hat
pete_dushenski: in the real world, this is necessary and effective, online however...
punkman: pete_dushenski: I don't think younger people are that much better at troll detection
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punkman: save it for future photoshops
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punkman: pete_dushenski: didn't see a mention of the colored coin treatise in your post
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punkman: pete_dushenski: that's the china book
RobinWilliams: so apparently nicks are ban-worthy offenses in the 'ol #bitcoin-otc
chetty: I thought you were a ghost
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BigBitz: RobinWilliams have some respect, I guess? :) for the dead...
RobinWilliams: obv my skin is thicker. let this serve as my message that no fucks will be given anymore
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pete_dushenski: i wonder how satoshi, not having been a "professional financial economist professional," would have explained cheaper sex
pete_dushenski: i'd like to think he would've been too taking advantage of the opportunities presented him
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BingoBoingo: Oh Apocalyptic Ever plan on changing the max order limit above 10?
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, maybe, I didn't think someone would go over that with legit orders to be honest
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kakobrekla: such limit is pointless. what is preventing me creating 1k acc and putting 10 orders up with each
kakobrekla: if you need to limit it to 10 per user your code is wrong.
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, validating 1k acc is more painfull that to just spam new orders
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Makes it hard to go deep into both bids and asks at the same time
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Apocalyptic: I send an activation link for every new account
nubbins`: just finalized the text for those bitcoin posters
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nubbins`: ;;later tell pete_dushenski i've been to berlin and la candelaria in botoga, and i agree -- bogota wins, hands-down
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski when are you going to put the fro on twitter?
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Was trying to present those footnotes from the failbook
BingoBoingo: Well, I'll open the failbook again and try to get the actual text
mircea_popescu: SemFieteewBut l.uf.en.gk.u.an.gniub.i..u.k.10@gmail.com 76.164.201.226Submitted on 2014/08/12 at 4:24 d.m. "For this specific day of the week-spun2"
BingoBoingo: A bunch of weird characters that should have been spaces were treated as line spaces
mircea_popescu: keywords2 example.com/ dlcqcafd@gmail.com 106.186.112.93Submitted on 2014/08/12 at 4:22 d.m. "Wonderful topic!…"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: the footnote 891 Interacting with fiat institution, a guide by Mircea Popescu, SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered Securities, SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering from MarketWatch and SEC Alleges Texas Man Ran $4.5 Million Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme from LexisNexis
mircea_popescu: i asked him if he read the 2012 canonical text on contracts.
pankkake: Apocalyptic: since X-BT is on coinmarketcap already for atc, you should have them add your ltc and nmc markets. I'd rather buy nmc from you when I need them, but there's almost no one trading
BingoBoingo: That's the trilema thing he linked in Chapter 17 of his Bitcoin book. I can dig through his other stuff, but... navigating his giant pdf's is a pain
Apocalyptic: pankkake, oh it is ? great. Then I would somehow expect them to add all the listed coins
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so basically the guy has no fucking idea of anything.
BingoBoingo: Part of the current narrative popular on social media such as Reddit and Twitter is that Bitcoin’s
BingoBoingo: cryptographic code, being nigh-unbreakable by law enforcement and other judicial authority,
BingoBoingo: will itself act as a form of “law” transcending all jurisdictions. Two notable examples being that
BingoBoingo: of Mircea Popescu of MPex who asserted Bitcoin's sovereignty in response to an SEC
BingoBoingo: investigation as well as Trendon Shavers (‘pirate40’) who was charged by the SEC for running a
BingoBoingo: $4.5 million Ponzi scheme through a firm called Bitcoin Savings & Trust.891 In fact, due to the
BingoBoingo: numerous scams and thefts that continue to occur with these types of investments, in May the
BingoBoingo: SEC issued an investor alert related to bitcoin and other virtual currencies. 892
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Some people should not self publish, because they can't understand "bookness" especially when it comes to presenting "bookness" electronically
pankkake: I suspect his publishing method is just a way to avoid rebuttals
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, but those same people are too stupid to realise how stupid they are, and if someone tells them this they misrepresent it as an "ad hominem" and misconstrue it as some sort of failure of "the world"
pankkake: just don't give attention to attention whores
BingoBoingo: The dude start's his page numbering from the fucking prematter right after the cover, which no.
mircea_popescu: this idiocy came to be highly regarded by parents that aren';t people, that you shouldn't give attention to kids asking for it the wrong way (usually throwing a fit). this is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: kidsshould get NEGATIVE attention whenever they ask for it. such as a good beating.
mircea_popescu: that way you don't have the problem of snotty 5yo disrupting other people's restaurant meal. because in his reptillian 5yo brain, the risk that the whole stampede of adults beats the shit out of him if he starts screaming is quite vivid.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the presumptiousness of calling a pdf "my book" is striking.
pankkake: first time I've seen the word "disrupt" used in this context in months :p
mircea_popescu: especially in the face of having called a random string generator in an article you're ostensibly rebutting.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: PGP appears once, in a footnote in his second PDF, GPG appears not at all
BingoBoingo: For example, since at least 1991 there has been a variety of methods for building reputation systems –
BingoBoingo: webs of trust – that incentivizes users to pay back creditors. 334 With a blockchain you can now have a
BingoBoingo: safe place to put an instrument or contract and people can digitally sign it. Since it is publicly audited,
BingoBoingo: other users can see its history and if it is reliable thus building credit scores. In turn, business
BingoBoingo: transactions based on clearly defined terms and services can be conducted on an exchange through a
BingoBoingo: form of identity management. This will completely transform how the flow of capital and investment
BingoBoingo: work and will be a godsend to the 3rd world. For instance, a person with a reliable DAO (or smart
BingoBoingo: contract) could create a monetary instrument (a cryptocoin) and lend it to anyone on the globe in the
BingoBoingo: form of a loan with specific terms and conditions. This is done in an external, tamperproof system, a
BingoBoingo: cryptoledger that is not controlled by an institution capable of abuse. As a consequence, for developing
BingoBoingo: countries, just as they leapfrogged copper wiring choosing to use wireless telephony, some may forgo
BingoBoingo: building replicas of existing financial infrastructure and instead choose to use this virtual-based system
mircea_popescu: yeah. i don't credit the theory he's unaffiliated. basically there's this pile of idiots who perceive as the greatest impediment towards their brand of nonsense being accepted universally
BingoBoingo: The footnote 334 PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) was released in 1991 by Phil Zimmermann, see: Cypher Wars from Wired
mircea_popescu: the fact that i was here first, and i knew they'll show up, and i took speciffic and apparently effectual measures.
xmj: BingoBoingo: can your next paste have longer linewidths please?
BingoBoingo: xmj: The would involve touching this filth moar, so I'm jsut not going to past more of it
punkman: "So with Demo Day approaching, I'd like to make the following point explicit: Y Combinator has a zero tolerance policy for inappropriate sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders. Don't even think about doing it. I will find out. Y Combinator will not continue to work with you."
mircea_popescu: so ycombinator is finally reduced to a dating service ?
BingoBoingo: So this thing we are trying to convince people is a "business" is so not a business that we can just turn them off if people touch genitals
mircea_popescu: pity we're not speaking romanian, ass is fund, i could have had some fun with it.
assbot: MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: It's not a place that deals with business's it's fucking summer camp trying to turn a profit on macaroni crafts
punkman: so what if founders wanna suck some toe, why does YC have a say?
mircea_popescu: punkman they're prolly about to turn the "women in biz" faucet way up
mircea_popescu: as someone observed, as things turn to shit women move in.
punkman: they are already doing that yeah
mircea_popescu: now who the hell said that bit about things turning to shit and female representation.
mircea_popescu: "so when the police approached you, why did you open fire ?" "i thought we were being invaded by aliens" "i see. fair enough. case dismissed"
BingoBoingo: I guess I'm staying out of StL proper for a while
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> "so when the police approached you, why did you open fire ?" "i thought we were being invaded by aliens" "i see. fair enough. case dismissed" << THought it was the Chicoms invading
mircea_popescu: so in the end, ima count pete_dushenski 's summary as accurate : "Serious scholarship of a work is merited if and only if that work is itself a piece of serious scholarship."
danielpbarron: 10:19 <+kakobrekla> especially if F5 is remapped to shutdown. << one time, at a LAN party, I remapped someone's "W" key to suicide :D
mircea_popescu: Another Goldman banker told SEC officials he didn't know what he meant by an email he sent in 2006 that said underwriters and issuers would "put $ in our pockets" because "we are us."
mircea_popescu: imagine these coke addled, add dyslexic monkeys shooting emails to each other at 3am off a stripper's asscrack
mircea_popescu: imagine sitting there with a windowfull and just wondering if it's fucking markov chain day.
mircea_popescu: then people want to know why the econo0my went to shit.
mircea_popescu: lol hey nubbins` how come everyone knows she's got major beef curtains urmom ?
nubbins`: i can only imagine it's assumed based on my brash demeanor
nubbins`: i've got a feeling these "what is btc" posters are gonna be a big hit
nubbins`: putting finishing touches on words today, design to commence soon
mircea_popescu: cazalla: f5 f5 f5 f5, romanian to english articles on trilema must be 20:1 << lemme count for you here.
mircea_popescu: wait isn't it the design you're doing ? is this pre-design ?
nubbins`: but i gotta know what i'm trying to say before i start illustrating it :D
nubbins`: put another way: putting finishing touches on content, graphics to commence soon
nubbins`: oh and hey, what was the hidden bounty? 0.1 or some such?
nubbins`: wait, sorry, that was thestringpuller's project
nubbins`: so many projects on the plate :S
mircea_popescu: cazalla 6781 total articles, 2567 in english. 1610 of these however are the result of me dumping the wikileaks trove back before wikileaks itself decided to publish documents (i only did stuff referring to bucharest, but it did force them to get their act together and a day later they released the cables). these don't appear in the random rotation (i imagine that's what you're doing) and so the numbers would be
HeySteve: my project thread hasn't been mirrored on bitcointa.lk yet
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ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: if you can't write the copy that makes people click your link, why would an image change that?
mircea_popescu: Example, Coinan encounters a hostile, socialist vampire. These choices are presented:
mircea_popescu: HeySteve the tech involved seems very naive. stuff like "Red text installments will always include a password-protected file containing a description of the optimal choice. The password will be revealed in the next installment, ensuring a pre-determined answer unaffected by the value of bets placed or other factors. You’ll have to trust me not to play my own game or leak the right choice to my cronies before voting e
mircea_popescu: nds. Either that or suggest a way to make things trustless.."
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BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I think the point is he wants to expose people to his logo
HeySteve: mircea_popescu it'll be all text
HeySteve: although maybe later I'll have single player versions on a website, so will need a little coding there
mircea_popescu: no, you need coding to do things like distribute secrets less awkwardly than through "password protected files"
mircea_popescu: which i expect you see as hand crafted word documents by you personally.
HeySteve: hmm well text files in RAR archives
mircea_popescu: this sort of clunk will sink what otherwise is a clever promising thing.
HeySteve: ok well I'm open to suggestions for handling that stuff more smoothly
mircea_popescu: say your options are "fuck her" or "spit in her mouth"
mircea_popescu: you publish : the correct answer is ba320a34890a5cdc4f0ba0e53017d490811aad50259c1bc4214df05544f9dd2d9a6992e617d2273f79a73e6ae972a8a0c171608ae71eb5d5bd148f81f38d2e0d
mircea_popescu: then later on you say : sha512, salt "-derpysaltlalal-"
mircea_popescu: at this point anyone can verify the right answer was in fact "spit in her mouth"
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: for now, just the one displaying.
HeySteve: ah ha cool! that's better, thanks
mircea_popescu: HeySteve my point being that this is just one example. you need a coder to know the things that are obvious and well known that you don't know.
HeySteve: I can ask my developer but he's still pretty busy with "WoTcoin" alpha
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assbot: Ferguson tear gas video: Angry, but apparently unarmed, residents face attack.
BingoBoingo: police firing tear gas at angry residents despite the fact that they're standing behind a fence on private property and are apparently unarmed:
mircea_popescu: after being abandoned by the feds during katrina they sorta created an independent state,
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Kid got shot. Was unarmed, going to college this week if he wouldn't have been shot.
BingoBoingo: Prefect storm of buzzwords to anger North Side
BingoBoingo: Story is hands up surrendering with his back to the cop
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: look either you make the sell with the situation as is or you don't man
ben_vulpes: we're taking the world back to evaluation on its merits, not on its appearances.
BingoBoingo: What happens when jurov and Namworld's Coinroll thing wants to keep using the graphics they've already sunk costs into?
ben_vulpes: the whole point of the mermaid is fuck a logo
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assbot: Outrage in Ferguson after police shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown - Vox
mircea_popescu: giving people like HeySteve all the tools they need to just make their game.
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HeySteve: desert island scenario: do you choose mermaid or inverse mermaid as your only companion?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Where's this comment mircea_popescu left on Tim Swanson's blog? << it just said "how about you come to b-a" with a webirc link
princessnell: hey mircea_popescu. scholarship has given way to subversion at the moment, which is an improvement. how's bitcoin baronship?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Earlier today it was... missing
mircea_popescu: bitcoin baronship has given way too many bonuses at the moment which is pleasant :D
mircea_popescu: yeah ben_vulpes has a point. i think the entire appeal of the tomb raider chick was her being subversive.
jurov: lolwhat? coinroll doesn't have a mermaid
jurov: BingoBoingo what do you mean?
princessnell: well the short version is that my merry band of radicals is warring with marxist elements that have infiltrated the american libertarian movement.
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mircea_popescu: "submitted 4 days ago by ignoreatownrisk" lol that's lulzy,
BingoBoingo: jurov: There's that coinroll ad that shows up on BitBet and othe places. Atm ben_vulpes's network would be incapable of supporting it
jurov: i was a week under the rock, what is the vulpine thing?
mircea_popescu: princessnell yes, actually. it's the problem of the privileged, they can be too privileged. it's like being too poor in reverse.
mircea_popescu: princessnell so what happens after your merry band of radicals gets defeated ?
princessnell: we aren't expecting to win. we're trying to siphon the best talent to our cause.
mircea_popescu: princessnell what i want to know is why isn't your cause using the tools of victory.
mircea_popescu: get the whole lot in the wot, start opressing the little timmys of the world.
mircea_popescu: there's no victory outside of oppressing the other side into the dirt.
princessnell: mircea_popescu that's a good idea. get some synergy going. it will take some easing into.
princessnell: i'm walking a thin line as it is, trying to convert american millenial college grads into crimethinkers.
mircea_popescu: hehe i had suspected that my and that band are tenuous.
princessnell: lol. the buttplug method can be a last resort.
mircea_popescu: lemme share a high water mark in the history of romanian cartoons
assbot: RObotzi.S01.Ep2.Defect - YouTube
mircea_popescu: the guy is saying "o pula roz din fier cu luminite" which means "a pink iron cock with blinkenlichten"
princessnell: i am a barbaric american monoglot, unfortunately :-/
HeySteve: Das machine ist fur gerfingerpoken und mittengrabben.
jurov: ben_vulpes: what is that your service everyone is talking about? i'm 10 days behind with the lawgs and your blog is dead
pankkake: it seems interesting for venues but not really for advertisers
ben_vulpes: interestingly enough, we're shooting for quality venues first.
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pankkake: and you have to buy the ads per venue?
ben_vulpes: if you want to spend more money more quickly, i can make that happen for you.
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: you're really bad at advertising. if you want text only you'd need support a inconography. The disney font is synonymous with the bran.
thestringpuller: if it's 1 font type it's not going to work long term but I guess we'll see
ben_vulpes: i was actually just pondering configuring this thing to serve ads styled to actually look good when displayed on each venue.
ben_vulpes: you see, we're recruiting the best content creators and making the advertisers suck our dicks.
ben_vulpes: stomping out this "one neat trick!" animated gif shit.
ben_vulpes: you may as well tell me that GPG logins are too hard for advertisers to grok. well, fu. learn gpg, and play nicely with the people running your ads.
thestringpuller: how so if you don't support basic news print ads? It's 2014 not 1014
ben_vulpes: there are some styling changes coming. header lines and such.
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thestringpuller: Why not? You're excluding photographic based advertisements without any real merit except that "People should be compelled to click on an ad based on text alone."
thestringpuller: which is seemingly shallow given what successful ad agencies will claim "works"
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jurov: chetty, for coinroll they do
nubbins`: chetty, after a fashion. sometimes.
jurov: for coinbr, not so much
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ben_vulpes: the ad advertising the right thing to the right people works
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thestringpuller: There is a whole consortium of parents that keep their kids away from "real tv" so that they don't bug their parents for every new toy advertised.
jurov: um.. where did F.DERP vanish? or it still isn't trading?
ben_vulpes: jurov: i don't think it's hit the market yet.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: sounds like the ad is advertising to the right people.
jurov: ^finally published (with ben's help) how the thing is sposed to work
thestringpuller: more that advertisements "work" if they create an impression
thestringpuller: but hey what do I know, not like I worked in advertising or anything :P
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: how many btc are you willing to put down to run an image ad?
ben_vulpes: there is only the venue and its audience.
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BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes thestringpuller: These are the important questions which are probably better debated now than when you throw a beta label on it
BingoBoingo: Well right now it seems to be light on the ideology and heavy on logistics
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jurov: ben_vulpes do you have an example of an ad that is stylistically adapted to various publishers?
jurov: that souds good in theory, but dunno in practice
ben_vulpes: jurov: typeface would be the only knob i'd let venues twiddle.
mike_c: mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Suppose the venue's perspective where it's in the venue commits space X by Y pixels already. Seems bidding from people confident in a text ad and properly sized images would, eventually be a desirable situation. I imagine for you as well since... with a 1% house edge you've eventually got to get volume.
BingoBoingo: I mean ImageMagick generates the text ads anyway
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: sorry, I don't quite understand that first line.
BingoBoingo: Ah, sat on the sentence to long. The venue want's to attract a lot of bids, and has already sunk space on the ad widget.
BingoBoingo: If coinroll has a square ad that works for them already...
ben_vulpes: now what if coinroll wants to run an ad on 4 different blogs
ben_vulpes: that have all picked different widgets
BingoBoingo: They've got to have appropiate sized art for each or a conversation with the blogs about standardizing on a size.
ben_vulpes: which is one of the reasons VAN's running text only right now.
ben_vulpes: and probably will for quite some time.
ben_vulpes: let me reiterate: it caters to venues, not advertisers.
thestringpuller: venues require traffic to be "catered to" vis-a-vis trilema vs. some other blog of quality that is not as established
BingoBoingo: Well, there's got to be a contingency for the end of the month with the Trilema buy's advertised end. The buy this space graphic looks pretty good, but... I mean this could devolve into -assets bloggers just trolling each other again
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> okay for starters why cater to venues as the priority? << because catering to the masses is a losing proposition.
jborkl: i only troll others, not my fellow assets members
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the venues arent customers. catering to a small intelligent audience and having them as your customer is not mutually exclusive
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thestringpuller: so tell me how catering to the venues which are not customers benefits the customer more?
ben_vulpes: who are the customers in this scenario?
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mike_c: you don't have to cater to the person paying. if you are providing a premium product customers will deal with the headaches. would you jump through some hoops to get an ad on www.berkshirehathaway.com? what if they said it had to be text only?
mike_c: or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint).
mike_c: or loper-os. i'd pay for that shit and say thank you for putting my text on your site.
mike_c: so really what you're saying is you don't think the venues available right now are worth the headache. which may or may not be true.
mike_c: but, i would say you are more likely to allow a text-only ad. perhaps not.
mike_c: yes, well, i am not loper so i don't get to be picky :)
mike_c: i'm actually not doing it for the money. btcalpha isn't meant to be directly monetized.
mike_c: how much would it take? btc/month.
mike_c: that might not be out of the question.
mike_c: you're probably already smoking it. you need to have a valuable audience.
mike_c: so imagine how you could monetize an audience that is not composed of chumps. you're actually selling me here :)
mike_c: who knew ascii was expert negotiator. big "go away" sign on lawn attracts customers
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mike_c: well it wasn't charity. it probably worked.
mike_c: hm. advertising successfully is hard but not impossible. i don't take this to mean loper couldn't be monetized effectively.
mike_c: nope, that's what vanads is all about. serious money is still TBD.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mike_c: but who and why would spend actual money on it, is a mystery << Pretty much all I'd spend money on is "lol, cocks" or "White Africa Future" (link to interracial gangbang) or perhaps some other mischeif...
mike_c: yes but you aren't running a consumer facing buisness.
mike_c: WoL will be an advertiser soon.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The point of the game is that one never knows when troll ad enters their rotation. Troll ad simply appears
BingoBoingo: Still prolly better than those glossy mining hardware things
BingoBoingo references of course the test for fibrin degeneration products in the blood, known as a d-dimer
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mike_c: well, it's the audience that is monetized.
jborkl: ok, i will report in 30 days how the orange cat article is doing, filled with keywords and nonsense
BingoBoingo: jborkl: lol you forgot to credit where petel got his idea from, and I mean so far its his only one
jborkl: let me correct that, he got it from you if I am reading that correct?
jborkl: sorry I was talking to someone else here
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i'm looking for an example for a blog post. who is currently the 2nd best sports bitcoin betting site?
nubbins`: man, i went to fedex to mail some coins and i had to fill out two goddamn enormous forms
mike_c: BingoBoingo: bah, nvmnd, sorry. they all suck.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That's a good question. Prolly Cloudbet or Nitrogen sports. Maybe Anonibet? All I really do sports betting wise any more off of BitBet is penny bets on baseball and bigger bets against Serena according to the bet against Serena algorithm
mike_c: heh. i didn't see the end the other day, did venus manage to beat her?
BingoBoingo: But yeah, they all have their devoted fanbases and all offer shitty lines now.
nubbins`: mike_c the grue ate everyone's coin D;
mike_c: yeah, went to third set
BingoBoingo: Line must not have been good enough for me to get pinged
mike_c: nubbins`: should be havelock's tagline :)
mike_c: "Venus topped Serena 6-7 (2), 6-2, 6-3 on Saturday in the hard-court event for her first victory over her sister since 2009 in Dubai."
nubbins`: you know how many goddamn bitcoin i "made" and subsequently "lost" on that fuckin site?
jborkl: BingoBoingo , ok i added the proper credit there
nubbins`: "People can administer this drug fairly unknowingly to someone — an unknowing person — and we've had reports in the past, not so much of ketamine, but we have had reports in the past of these typos of drugs being administered in local establishments," said Curnew.
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jborkl Lol, actual credit belongs to the cats
ben_vulpes: "expert chumpatronic engineers" << quite.
nubbins`: "hello, i was just wondering if you have any positions available. thanks"
nubbins`: ^ second email we've gotten like this
ben_vulpes: "position is work all day. pay is a bed in the corner and scraps from the table. interedast?"
ben_vulpes: ;;8ball do i risk the rain biking back to the office from this client meeting?
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
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BingoBoingo: mike_c: So are you still blogging something today about how they all suck then?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes checked her out on facebook, studied "graphic design" at local college
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BingoBoingo: I plan on staying on the Illinois side of the river for a while, shit is getting serious
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nubbins`: shoot me in the face with a gun
nubbins`: i've seen people ask for advice on how to develop their personal brand
nubbins`: they didn't capitalize it, but you can tell they were doing it in their heads when they wrote it
nubbins`: nothing reeks more of desperation
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Building a personal brand is an excellent advice but these fuckers do it all wrong. Step 1: Call People fuckers Step 2: Get drunk and Markov chain rant a bit... etc
nubbins`: step 3, join this chan and vanish into the babble ;D
BingoBoingo: "Remove disabled (weakened export and non-ephemeral DH) cipher suites from the cipher list. This reduces code size, saves data segment space and prevents them from being turned back on at runtime by flipping a bit in memory."
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BingoBoingo: Seems given these long block times... Atc is on a long walk to the next diff drop
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the twitter will get the fro when the right picture comes along :)
mike_c: BingoBoingo: blog is more about bitcoin gambling.. perhaps focusing on WoL :)
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mike_c: it's getting long. perhaps i'll post as pdf and call it a book.
nubbins`: they close all the roads in dt bogota every sunday so people can ride bikes w/ their families
BingoBoingo: mike_c: If you need someone to proofread your Latex file...
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: and there's giant outdoor dance lessons in the middle of it all
AdrianoOliveira: Im was looking for info/people trading options on btc and ended up on bitcoin-assets.com
AdrianoOliveira: although it doesn't seem to be the right place, i came to check the channel, as i have never been in the channel before
pete_dushenski: we rented some bikes, pretty bush league things but that's what there was
BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: Lurk a bit, you might learn something
pete_dushenski: $20/day and these bikes would've been left beside the dumpster in canada, untouched
BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: This is a bit trading nexus, a bit social club
assbot: The forum and its implementation. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: Huge props to kakobrekla for making this humble channel many moons ago
AdrianoOliveira: pete_dushenski: I follow a link posted on a comment in one of the topics at bitcointalk
nubbins`: we rented rad bikes in amsterdam for i think 9 euro per day
BingoBoingo: Is there a link back to there we could follow?
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: well see amsterdam knows what to do with tourists
nubbins`: if only tourists knew what to do with bikes ;D
AdrianoOliveira: BingoBoingo: thanks for the advice, I am familiar with irc and I am usually at bitcoin-otc, just didn't know the bitcoin-assets :-)
nubbins`: but yeah, tourism in colombia is decades behind
chetty: AdrianoOliveira, its a good place to hang around and read and learn
nubbins`: you visit a picturesque small town to spend your money and have a good time and maybe bring friends with you next time
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: tis, but the customer service, particularly at the restaurants we went to, was out of this fucking world
nubbins`: you're just as likely to get robbed by a local who doesn't understand that he's shooting himself in the wallet
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pete_dushenski: professional wait staff like that are unknown in canada
nubbins`: i ruptured an eardrum in colombia
pete_dushenski: fairmont or whatever, they have no idea how to make you feel like a king. they're too educated, too "i'm equal"
nubbins`: bad eustacian tubes, wanted to scuba dive, lied on the medical questionnaire
nubbins`: couldn't clear left ear, popped drum while trying, ear full of seawater
nubbins`: still went down for the second dive ;(
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin? << more like a platform, so people can make their own muds but have some basic tools (btc payments, [blockchain based] random dungeon generator etc)
mike_c: sounds interesting, but doesn't sound profitable.
mircea_popescu: more of a culture sort of thing than a business sort of thing.
mike_c: then it sounds like fun, which I don't have time for unfortunately.
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mike_c: i'm too busy writing my book
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nubbins`: mike_c paste a link to the pdf when you're done, yes?
nubbins`: also: you don't have time for fun? D:
mike_c: penguirker will find it. it's the b-a library of congress
BingoBoingo: I swear my first IRL bitcoin meetup might involve the next person who professes to have self published "The Book on Bitcoin" without the slightest familiarity with the Chicago Manual of style
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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: how so if you don't support basic news print ads? It's 2014 not 1014 << you know people can just upload their jpg and be done with it if they want,.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: That doesn't seem to be implemented yet...
nubbins`: answer: jotion picture (experts) group
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the idea being that you can dump whatever text/images you have/care to and van will sort out some kind of ad out of it.
mircea_popescu: if you just want to make specified banners, fine, do that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's for others. I like the "Bold Text, Bold Claims" approach to ad buying myself
pete_dushenski: sort of a mystical beast, unknown anywhere but the most remote jungles of south asia
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the notion is to leave the whole "profession" of designers without employment.
nubbins`: try hiragino kaku gothic pro bold
mircea_popescu: because if one ca'n't get paid "designiong" ads anymore, they can't get paid designing period.
mircea_popescu: so whatever, if it's successful nubbins` will love us for it.
mircea_popescu: but if you;'re gonna be subversive, you gotta actually be subversive.
nubbins`: the more i work, the more i feel like the word "design" is a poor descriptor for what i do
mircea_popescu: o look, btcscoop.com already live and getting accolades ?
BingoBoingo: Killing the design industries, just another Tuesday
nubbins`: someone says "yeah i'm a graphic designer", i get my list ready and ask them what their full name is
mircea_popescu: you're supposed to call me a religious leader and complain of ad hominem
nubbins`: i thought we were all in agreement
BingoBoingo: WAIT I BLOGGED HYPNOTIC TOAD IMAGE TODAY I RELIGULOUS LEADER
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, the thing I posted today is a toad, has warts
BingoBoingo: If it was a frog that big, its legs would have been fired. Toad... not so much.
mircea_popescu: so for the ecologists still clinging on to the logs somehow : argentina heats on electricity, has no insulation and does not care.
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nubbins`: i'm proud of it, and the bands who paid for it thought it was great
mircea_popescu: i have three holes in my wall about ten square inches total, wind blows through freely. i burned > 100kwh this month so far. they dun give a shit. thsi is normal here.
nubbins`: sure, in the sense that the sanitation engineer collected my trash this morning
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ideally van will be able to do that on its own
nubbins`: sure, it's just colors and shapes
mircea_popescu: eventually. once ben_vulpes figures out the basics of how to install servers and stuff
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:clientsfromhell.com "it's easy if you know what you're doing"
nubbins`: funny, someone in -otc linked that site about 10 minutes ago
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nubbins`: i'm in a rather enviable position, in that half the people i do work for just give me full artistic liberty
nubbins`: i did a run of silkscreened posters yesterday and the client saw the design for the first time when he exchanged a wad of cash for them
nubbins`: i generally try not to brag about this around people who earn a living as "graphic designers"
mircea_popescu: mike_c: or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint). << i'd rather buy, honestly.