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mjr_: so, we can agree, you don't care about the changes, they don't affect you, they are irrelevant
mjr_: they may cease to exist
mircea_popescu: what's logically impossible is to imagine the bitcoin protocol is something that extends all the way to your soup.
mjr_: they may be misguided or stupid
mjr_: but they are changes
mjr_: huh?
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mjr_: i didn't bring up soup
mjr_: i am talking about running diff on code
mjr_: easy way to see if things have changed
mircea_popescu: protocol is not code.
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mjr_: ok...and if i add acceptable messages to a protocol
mjr_: that protocol changed
mjr_: for example, you added commands to mpex
mjr_: that changed the protocol of what messages were acceptable to mpex
mjr_: this is simple
mjr_: and i can do it all day
mircea_popescu: notrly. it only changed it when old ones stopped working.
mjr_: ok
mjr_: so you only changed it
mjr_: the protocol
mjr_: for a good reason
mjr_: you changed it
mircea_popescu: well sure. it's mine to change.
mjr_: yes
mjr_: and bitcoin is the miners to change
mircea_popescu: not so fast there :)
mjr_: and they have
mjr_: many times
mircea_popescu: notrly.
mjr_: for fucks sake, there was a fork in the fucking blockchain because people didn't agree on which version to use
mircea_popescu: and the new version died.
mjr_: how could you have a clearer example of the protocol changing
mjr_: ok...
mjr_: but it did change
mjr_: and there was a conflict
mircea_popescu: mno. change died.
mjr_: what died
mjr_: the change that happened?
mjr_: how can something thta doesn't exist die
mircea_popescu: anyway, here's the story : i hire you to lay bricks for me. that's your job.
mircea_popescu: one day you come with a hat
mircea_popescu: the next day without
mircea_popescu: the third wioth a hangover
mjr_: thats a change
mjr_: each day
mircea_popescu: you figure your job has changed each day ?
xmj: lol
mjr_: no, my ability to do my job
mircea_popescu: one day job was "lay bricks with hat", the next" lay bricks without hat" ?
mjr_: how you would describe me to someone who you wanted to find me
mjr_: yes
mjr_: find my employee, he is the guy laying bricks wearing a hat
mircea_popescu: well so there you go. you wish o matter personally, but i don't give a shit. im your employer not your lover.
mjr_: that description is no longer valid on a different day
mircea_popescu: all i see is the bricks laid.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: thx guys something went south during server swtich
mjr_: no...
mjr_: i am saying that right now, i can use multisig
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You're welcom
mjr_: the job that is done has new possibilties
mjr_: i can lay bricks or i can lay cinder blocks
mjr_: but you think i can only lay bricks
mjr_: and you only want bricks
mjr_: thats good for you
mircea_popescu: mjr_ you could multisig before you.
godovo: wow
mjr_: i'm not saying that you have to change, i am saying that new features are added
mjr_: that is a fact
mjr_: you don't have to use them
mjr_: you don't have to notice or care
mjr_: that doesn't change reality
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: it's was all BingoBoingo :)
mjr_: there are new features that the bitcoin protocol allows
mircea_popescu: reality is not what some derps somewhere feel is the case.
mjr_: no
pete_dushenski: it*
mjr_: reality is the state of the world
mjr_: the state of the network
mjr_: i don't give a shit about a derp saying anything
mircea_popescu: cool. so then there we go.
mjr_: i give a shit about a transaction crafted a certain way included in ablock
mjr_: and those transactions, that you say don't exist
mjr_: are in blocks
mircea_popescu: you can put any random data in blocks.
mjr_: so either, things that are recorded in a block don't matter
mircea_popescu: including pictures of twelve year olds taking horse cock.
mjr_: you could call all of the data random
mircea_popescu: this was done already.
mircea_popescu: not all of it, no.
mjr_: i could view all of the blockchain as random
mjr_: yes i could
mjr_: it is statistically possible to get that arrangement of bits by chance
mjr_: we choose to ascribe meaning to this configuration
mjr_: from this meaning, we can maintain records
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Fix so I can do "Robin Williams DIY Project" ad buy
mjr_: and new records are allowed in, and are accepted as being records
mjr_: if that is not the case, then none of bitcoin protocol matters, because it is subjective
mjr_: i don't think your tx is anything other than random data
mircea_popescu: that'd be where you're wrong.
mircea_popescu: it matters precisely because it is subjective, and accepted.
mjr_: yes
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mjr_: and those features you don't like are accepted and valid
mircea_popescu: this is what renders the subjective but unaccepted parts irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: not by me.
mircea_popescu: and until the day they're accepted by me, they don't exist.
mircea_popescu: this is how this works.
mjr_: i, perhaps the only one, do not judge bitcoins protocol by what you find valid
mjr_: i judge it based on what i need, and what i can do
mircea_popescu: well apparently you judge it by what you find valid.
mjr_: ok...
mjr_: lets say
mircea_popescu: right. good for you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 207 @ 0.01239 = 2.5647 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so your bitcoin has changed, mine hasn't, there we go.
mjr_: that if i send a multisig tx to someone, they will in return send me 1,000,000 bitcoin
mjr_: i do it, i get the money
mircea_popescu: that someone won;'t be me.
mjr_: nope, it won't
mircea_popescu: so go talk to them :)
mjr_: do i care? not at all
mjr_: the market decides what features are in bitcoin
mjr_: same as it always has
mircea_popescu: again ?
mjr_: and if i need to do business with you
mjr_: i can work with the limited subset of the protocol you find valid
mjr_: there is no reason why people can't send floppy disks to people who have the right converters
mircea_popescu: "the market" doesn't decide jack shit. if "the market" decides things, we might as well make coinbase the new fed and welcome wall street on their own terms.
mjr_: it is still a valid form of recording data
mjr_: if the market thinks that is a good idea :)
mjr_: i don't have to though
mircea_popescu: fuck it sideways and good riddance.
mjr_: i agree
mjr_: again
mjr_: i believe you conflate backwards compatible, or option with identical
mircea_popescu: so, yeah. the market may decide anything it wants for just as long as it stays strictly within what i find paltable. that';s how this thing works.
mjr_: i have an option to use multisig
mjr_: i don't have to
mjr_: yeah, you use the parts of it that you like, and don't use the parts you don't
xmj: i have an option to have a girlfriend
mircea_popescu: you have an option to do whatever the fuck it is you want to do at all junctures anyway.
xmj: i don't have to
xmj: - every nerd
mjr_: maybe i overly jump to your hyperbole
mjr_: why not just go ahead and say that bitpay doesn't exist?
mircea_popescu: notably, you could have used multisig at any point starting in 2009, and plenty of people did.
mjr_: or altcoins
mjr_: yeah, you could have
mircea_popescu: you can share keys and whatnot with or without bitcoin.
mjr_: you also could have sent coins to an ip address
mjr_: remember that?
mjr_: i cannot now send coins to an ip address
mircea_popescu: and if one day they include a weather service in some client, that'll be about as much change.
mjr_: i agree
mjr_: in other words, a change
mjr_: which was my point
mjr_: but if i only wanted to be able to send to ip addresses
mjr_: if that was my core feature set
mjr_: i'd be an idiot
mircea_popescu: that was an actual fork.
xmj: when will bitcoind be able to read/send email?
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mjr_: but also, someone who can't actually use the network for what i want
mjr_: how can you fork without changing?
mircea_popescu: and a welcome one at that. fucking ip addresses nuttery.
mjr_: i agree
mjr_: so get rid of a stupid features
mjr_: sounds like a good CHANGE
mircea_popescu: satoshi did that you know.
mjr_: i know
mjr_: i don't suck his dick
mircea_popescu: well it makes a difference.
mjr_: he made tons of mistakes
mjr_: and lots of good stuff
mircea_popescu: yeah, but he was also the only one with the authority to make changes.
mjr_: overall, way more good
mjr_: WAS
mjr_: and gave that up
mircea_popescu: exaclty.
xmj: again i want to mention the NSA => satoshi article
mjr_: in fact
mircea_popescu: no further satoshi, no further changes.
mjr_: passed that down to gavin
mircea_popescu: end of story.
xmj: and i'm perfectly too lazy to copypaste it.
mircea_popescu: nope.
mjr_: well...apparently the legions of the faithful didn't know that
mircea_popescu: tough for them.
mjr_: because they have been letting gavin make tons of changes
mjr_: which the miners faithfully run
mjr_: and derps use
mjr_: doesn't mean you have to
mircea_popescu: is deepbit still on 0.3.x ?
mjr_: doesn't affect you
mjr_: no clue
mjr_: i agree with you
mjr_: that they can add what ever fuckery they want
mjr_: as long as they don't affect the things i use
mjr_: i could care less
mjr_: start greenaddresses or purpleaddresses
mjr_: i don't care, as long as i can generate my own address whenever i want
mjr_: and do business with who i want
mjr_: but...
xmj: !up godovo
mjr_: i won't say that things i see don't exiest
mjr_: i will say they are stupid
mjr_: and there is a better way
mjr_: but you can't call something stupid if it doesn't exist...
mjr_: and i know how you love to call things stupid...
mircea_popescu: what are you talking about ? abstractions don't exist they get called stupid all the time
mjr_: its a stupid idea
mjr_: the idea exists
mjr_: in fact, physically
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
mjr_: there is an arragement of neurons in a certain configuration in some physical space
BingoBoingo: gavin http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/05/the-idiocrats/
assbot: The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog
mjr_: so...ideas are not magic
mjr_: any more than thoughts
mjr_: they exist
xmj: godovo: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-suspected-be-nsa-cia-project-1460439
assbot: Bitcoin 'Conspiracy Theory' Alleges Virtual Currency is NSA or CIA Project
mjr_: like anything else that can be interacted with
mjr_: lol
xmj: godovo: take it with a tablespoon of salt.
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/ThatEricAlper/status/498973900102197248/photo/1 << robin williams on canada
assbot: Robin Williams on Canada. http://t.co/3DZPIudUIT
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mjr_: anyway, i really don't understand your point
mjr_: and i feel like i have belabored mine
pete_dushenski: mjr_: this much, we know
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Canada http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Gale_Boetticher
assbot: Gale Boetticher - Breaking Bad Wiki
mjr_: and i didn't want to talk about this anyway
mjr_: i really just wanted to look at options prices to figure out if i could arb something
mjr_: and mpex.co doesn't work for me now, so i found the other site
mjr_: but i still want to know what derps are
mjr_: also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore
mjr_: besides mircea_popescu and kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: mjr_ btw mpex.co is back too
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: heh i recognize him as the cuckold husband from flight of the conchords
mjr_: cool
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: World's nicest meth cook
mjr_: btw, you heard about my new job?
mjr_: i expected to be made fun of a bit more
mircea_popescu: nope ?
mjr_: work at bitfinex
mircea_popescu: were you working for bitpay or ?
mircea_popescu: ahahah
mjr_: lol
mircea_popescu: what do you do there ?
mjr_: vp of biz dev (don't laugh)
mjr_: i get to do what i want
mircea_popescu: how much do you get paid ?
mjr_: program, try new things
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mjr_: enough
kakobrekla: bleh
mjr_: as long as i get to do what i want
mjr_: i don't care
mircea_popescu: i c.
mjr_: i wanna tell you about my other project though
xmj: mjr_: xmj.me
xmj: go read
mjr_: not btc related lol
pete_dushenski: mjr_: does "biz dev" entail trading into your own orders?
mjr_: hahaha
mjr_: nope
xmj: bummer
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mircea_popescu: so how are the numbers, still 25% default rates etc ?
mjr_: defaults?
mjr_: no one defaults
mjr_: at least if you mean on the lending market
mircea_popescu: o nm, i had it conflated with btcjam
mjr_: yeah
mjr_: lol
mjr_: i wouldn't put my money there
mircea_popescu: bitfinex still exists ?!
mircea_popescu: wow.
mjr_: hahaha
mjr_: thanks
mjr_: always great to come back home to bitcoin-assets
mjr_: how'd it go in romania? i was pissed i couldn't make it
mircea_popescu: last i recall it was https://bitcointa.lk/threads/scam-tag-request-user-unclescrooge-founder-and-operator-of-bitfinex-com.133691/
assbot: [scam tag request] user unclescrooge founder and operator of bitfinex.com | Bitcointa.lk
pete_dushenski: "Dry excavation work in the new Suez Canal commenced on Sunday as three thousand trucks and loaders in addition to 7,500 workers began work on site," << suez canal 2.0 !
mjr_: don't know about that
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski omfg you gave me a moment of pause cause i thought your line's assbot's
mjr_: no lender has lost money, we have never been hacked
mjr_: we put up orders
mjr_: people trade on them
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lel
mjr_: as far as exchanges go, i think we are pretty good
mjr_: don't know of many other exchanges i like better, its why i went to work for them
mjr_: bitstamp?
mjr_: no thanks
mjr_: can't give back an order id on a trade
mjr_: but i guess i am "advanced" in that respect
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'd love to read the canaltalkforums where all the "business ceos" go to ipo for their new dig projects and special usg contracts
mjr_: one of the US exchanges? with a proctology exam for free?
mjr_: i'm in panama!
mjr_: is that a thing?
mircea_popescu: mjr_ still running the bitcoinica codebase ?
mjr_: nope
mircea_popescu: or finally got rid of that ?
mjr_: hahaha
mjr_: think that maybe the idea was similar, but don't think the execution was similar
pete_dushenski: mjr_: it is now. please to send 1 btc for private invitation to join
pete_dushenski: pm for address
mjr_: i'm good
mjr_: thanks though
mjr_: xmj: what was that about?
pete_dushenski: your loss
mjr_: i read about you
mjr_: but didn't know in what context to read
mjr_: cool that you do free_bsd
mjr_: i like debian personally
mjr_: mircea_popescu: so, how is the game going?
xmj: mjr_: you said "03:20:19 <+mjr_> also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore"
mjr_: oh
mjr_: yes i did say that
mjr_: i mean that i miss the people i used to see
mjr_: and that none of them are here anymore
xmj: note to self: mjr_ is a candidate for goldfish memory
mjr_: lol
mjr_: not like that
mircea_popescu: Giancarlo Devasini / J.L. van der Velde / Raphael Nicolle << which are still involved ?
xmj: mjr_: bully them into being here (or, create positive incentives)
mjr_: no clue how to go about doing that
xmj: send them a mail ?
mjr_: i think they may have gotten burned out
xmj: ha
mjr_: don't have their addresses
xmj: facebook ?
mjr_: nope
mjr_: just #bitcoin-assets
mjr_: so now, i think i know asciilifeform mircea_popescu kakobrekla
xmj: well, bummer.
mjr_: yeah
mjr_: miss those guys
xmj: i've been drinking with fluffypony does that count?
xmj: am i in the 'ingroup' now? :D
mjr_: i don't know
mjr_: i'm not lol
xmj: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.02523161 = 1.2616 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 574.02, vol: 6015.07627334 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.406, vol: 3914.04531 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 573.3, vol: 7917.82437211 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 573.868008, vol: 7950.04520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 572.76593, vol: 0.47791402 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 577.83901, vol: 31.21382741 | Volume-weighted last average: 572.906353566
mircea_popescu: ;;ident mjr_
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01340001 = 0.67 BTC [+]
mjr_: yeah i idented
mjr_: to get voice
mjr_: another change in the protocol around here
mircea_popescu: mjr_ http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Josh_Rossi&sign=ANY&type=SENT << the two people you know are still here.
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mircea_popescu: ;;seen davidlatapie
gribble: davidlatapie was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 2 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <davidlatapie> Hi BingoBoingo I'll probably go to bed soon
mircea_popescu: oops
mircea_popescu: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <davout> i'll add a mention about assymetric crypto
mircea_popescu: ;;seen ben_vulpes
gribble: ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 28 minutes and 17 seconds ago: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: thx guys something went south during server swtich
mjr_: yeah davout
mjr_: true
mircea_popescu: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 45 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <jurov> hi all
mjr_: ah yeah, and of course jurov
mjr_: ok cool
mjr_: feel a little better
mircea_popescu: !up Jason
mircea_popescu: dja know how to self voice Jason ?
mjr_: what do you think of this slovenia conference
mircea_popescu: gotta ask kako/jurov, i'm not from around there
mjr_: i figured it wasn't the slovenia i was going to like...
mjr_: yeah i know
mjr_: but i was hoping they started it
mjr_: but figured bitstamp started it
mjr_: oh yeah
mjr_: by the way
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/SomeShinobi/status/497876744956043264/photo/1
assbot: Patriarchy: 1 Cultural Marxism: 0 http://t.co/Pm7mQtjVwQ
mjr_: mircea_popescu: were you critical of bitlicenses?
mjr_: kind of a silly question i suppose
mjr_: but i just think that it is funny, i think the "bitlicense" is a penalty for people who don't use the blockchain
mircea_popescu: ;;google time to make some bitlicenses of our own
gribble: Time for some Bitlicenses of our own. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/time-for-some-bitlicenses-of-our-own/>; Daisies pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/daisies/>; TBI's Daily Bit — Bitcoin at a Crossroads - Tackling the BitLicense: <http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/92143258184/bitcoin-at-a-crossroads-tackling-the- (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: also http://contravex.com/2014/08/07/this-is-the-bitcoin-empire-this-is-the-new-yasa/
assbot: This Is The Bitcoin Empire. This Is The New Yasa | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 29 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7317 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1782205.17 in 304 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.56
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell nubbins` what denomination of casascius coins did you find buyers for today?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mjr_: well, all i meant was
mjr_: if you use the blockchain
mircea_popescu: ;;rated xmj
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mjr_: bitlicense doesn't apply to you
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate xmj
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for xmj.
cazalla: "Individuals also have the choice of taking the repayment in ether; in those cases, we will simply not send the BTC, and once all repayments have been processed we will publish all of the additional ETH that has been sold in this way (note that this is equivalent to sending individuals their BTC and letting the recipients send it right back into the exodus)."
mjr_: if you try to use bitcoin to replicate the old system (hand your money over to someone and trust them)
mjr_: it does
cazalla: it will be interesting to see how many opt for ether instead of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: now dun be stoopid.
mjr_: almost like lawsky wants to force people to use bitcoin rather than coinbase
xmj: mircea_popescu: remember what it occurred over?
mircea_popescu: vaguely.
xmj: mircea_popescu: i said that non-cashflow-positive startups use EC2.
xmj: mircea_popescu: don't negrate people for stating truth next time, please
mjr_: by the way, anyone gonna tell me if i can play this game where i can buy things with bitcoin? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no dude, you got negrated for attempting a powerplay with me.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ what game is that ?
mjr_: i don't remember, when you were interested in eve
mjr_: or something
mjr_: a game where i could put things into the world using bitcoin
mircea_popescu: there was a guild, smickles runs it now.
xmj: huh.
xmj: ah well
xmj: mjr_: find something where you can pay through Stripe.
xmj: mjr_: bam you can pay with Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: !s "rate xjm -1"
assbot: 0 results for '"rate xjm -1"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22rate+xjm+-1%22
mircea_popescu: this search!
pete_dushenski: !s mircea_popescu xmj rate
assbot: 4 results for 'mircea_popescu xmj rate' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mircea_popescu+xmj+rate
mircea_popescu: xmj http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#699985 there you go. ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pete_dushenski: flip the m and j
TheNewDeal: mjr_ there's also https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/24/
assbot: Game 24 - Death 4701 Life 5299 Year 651 - War of Life
xmj: *shrug*
xmj: if you take that as powerplay
xmj: i have observed countless startups who do things with EC2 and S3
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski, BingoBoingo: gpg homedir permissions. fixd.
mircea_popescu: the problem was (and am starting to suspect remains) your mistaken notion that you have a lot to give and relatively little to take.
ben_vulpes: oh jesus virtualization fights again?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Ty
mircea_popescu: not that this worlview isn't common with twentysomething impudent cocklets. but it is universally working to their detriment.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hardly.
ben_vulpes: k. i'm clearly behind on my logs.
mjr_: heya ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: long time no talk, mjr_.
mjr_: yeah
mjr_: been a while
ben_vulpes: what've you been up to?
mjr_: working, playing around on some projects
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he now works for... wait for it...
mircea_popescu: bitfinex.
mjr_: yep
mjr_: i do
mjr_: i like it
mjr_: only been 2 weeks, but i like the guys i work with, i have a lot of autonomy
mjr_: before that i was working at coinapult, which was also fun
mjr_: built locks with some cool people
mjr_: not sure what you think of those, guessing not good
mjr_: lol
mjr_: i expect to be torn to shreds here
mjr_: which is not that bad
ben_vulpes: i really have no opinions about these things
ben_vulpes: coinapult is coins via email
mjr_: was
ben_vulpes: bitfinex is an exchange of sorts
mjr_: still is somewhat
mjr_: locks is the newest product
ben_vulpes: "locks"?
kakobrekla: what happened at coinapult
mjr_: which is basically pegging bitcoin to some asset
ben_vulpes: pahaha how on earth?!
mjr_: nothing, that project was done, and i like the guys at bitfinex
mjr_: still hang out with the coinapult crew
mjr_: going to eriks wedding in sept
mjr_: its an ewallet
mjr_: so you say want to have an amount of bitcoin that reflects the gold/usd price
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, lots of history there. bitfinex was a coupla twerps that took the leaked bitcoinica codebase and started a new bitcoinica, back in 2012ish ? early 2013 ? (that code was in the wild because after the nth breach, amir taaki of bitcoin consultancy fame "open sourced" it by releasing it without rights) ☟︎
ben_vulpes: nope nope nope
mjr_: we hedge, and you will always get say an oz of gold worth of bitcoin
ben_vulpes: i ain't letting anyone hedge with my coins
mjr_: yeah bitcoinica was a fuckup
mjr_: yeah, i get you
mjr_: not for everyone
mircea_popescu: then about six months or so later some people involved had a very public breakup replete with tardstalk scam tag requests, much in the manner the bitcoin magazine takeover worked
mjr_: hold up, you are talking about bitcoinica?
mircea_popescu: then not a peep for about a year. so someone with some sort of competence took over. but mjr_ ain't telling who.
ben_vulpes: if i want to turn my paper dollars into paper gold, i'm just going to whelk my fiat down to Schwabe and let them do what they do
kakobrekla: id say bitfinex chumpatron is working just fine
mjr_: omg
mjr_: that may have been the nicest thing i've heard mircea_popescu say
mircea_popescu: mjr_ but kakobrekla has a good q, what happened at coinapult ?
mjr_: nothing
mjr_: i worked on locks, since i knew a little about hedging
mjr_: but i like doing more than just programming
mjr_: and have a few projects
mircea_popescu: so you're still in panama. basically what, erik bought bitfinex ?
mjr_: so i figured i would find something that lets me do more stuff i like, but still program
mjr_: nope
mjr_: he is busy working on his wedding
mjr_: not sure if he could afford it...maybe
mjr_: but i'm going to eriks wedding in sept
mjr_: but yeah, i mean, you know me, i like to talk
mjr_: and programming != talking much
mjr_: so, felt a little one dimensional
mircea_popescu: well someone's behind there, the people originally involved with bitfinex ain't got the resources required.
mjr_: and now i get to talk, they wanted someone to be out in public
mjr_: yeah, that is the beauty of that place
mircea_popescu: mjr_ how long you been there ayway ?
mjr_: is that ego doesn't get in the way
mjr_: always looking to improve
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mjr_: bring people who know more, fill in gaps
mjr_: since the 15th of july
mjr_: wait
mjr_: yeah, around 3 weeks
mircea_popescu: so you've not had a check cut yet ?
mjr_: i have
mircea_popescu: what, you working by the hour ?
mjr_: no
mjr_: i loved the way they phrased it
mjr_: they said we know you have a lot of projects
mjr_: we want to pay you to put us at the top of the list
mjr_: and will try to help you with your other projects because we are serial entrepreneurs
mjr_: so, it works well
mircea_popescu: you specifically ?! how the hell does some dude in france even know you.
mjr_: davout knows me...he is in france still right?
mircea_popescu: Raphael Nicolle << this guy.
mircea_popescu: not really running it anymore, is he ?
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mircea_popescu: a okay, i see. so apparently a guy i actually know took over that outfit. (no, not erik) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which'd explai nwhy they've not done anything spectacularly stupid in the last while.
TheNewDeal: gonna go grab some din din. Here's some good old US propaganda for yas http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-treasury-bond-yield-hits-lowest-since-june-2013-1407501409
assbot: U.S. Treasury Bond Yield Hits Lowest Since June 2013 - WSJ
mjr_: a bunch of good guys work there
pete_dushenski: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=today&resolution=hour&pair=ltc-btc&market=btc-e
assbot: LTC/BTC - Litecoin / Bitcoin today charts from BTC-e
mjr_: and i like the way they are going
mjr_: anyway
mjr_: anyone can fill me in on derps those links didn't work
pete_dushenski: low at 2014-08-12 00h0.0099500 BTC
pete_dushenski: http://bitbet.us/bet/997/ltc-to-drop-under-6-50-before-september/ http://bitbet.us/bet/864/ltc-to-fall-against-btc/ http://bitbet.us/bet/782/ltc/ all wrapped up
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asciilifeform: lol, i get up for a little bit, and somebody links the world-famous menstrual painter.
ben_vulpes: mjr_: weren't you at bitpay for a while?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol yw
asciilifeform: 'she's pretty high of the ground; doesn't OSHA require spotters, or a hardhat...' << from comments
pete_dushenski: wondering if that last 2btc bet on ltc is gonna squeak in (wasn't mine fwiw)
BingoBoingo: !up jdanks
jdanks: i have voice! lol
jdanks: i really needa figure out this whole WoT thing
jdanks: I've created PGP keys for stuff before not knowing what I was doing. I love all your posts mircea. you are a good man, standing up to bad peoples and finding who's trully trustworthy (:
pete_dushenski: jdanks: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
jdanks: thank you!
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.27183805 = 14.6793 BTC [-] {4}
mjr_: ben_vulpes: nope never at bitpay
mircea_popescu: btw mjr_
mircea_popescu: $proxies
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1722 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
mjr_: ah tanks
mircea_popescu: if ever in doubt that's the path to truth
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mircea_popescu: jdanks hai there.
jdanks: hallo mr. popescu keep up tha good fight :)
mircea_popescu: :)
mircea_popescu: so who're you ?
jdanks: somebody gave me voice. i have no pgp keys or nothing. name is john
jdanks: i'm a mechanical engineer turned internet of things engineer
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: you can just reg a key it's no big deal.
jdanks: i have great plans to put blockchains on mesh networks. and i invest in coins i think aren't shit. i go for the long calls. yea i havent had time. i just sort of stumbled upon your kingdom the last few days
jdanks: i'm sure i can figure it out but it'll be pushed aside till I have an empty weekend
RagnarDanneskjol: he's cool - I just turned him on to trilema the other day and his head blew
mircea_popescu: jdanks plenty of upside, take your time.
jdanks: *kkaa ppppbbllooooo*
mircea_popescu: !up bitcointrader_
mircea_popescu: someone should go for Individual Person Guy as a name.
mircea_popescu: !up jborkl
jborkl: Thank you
mircea_popescu: yw
jborkl: I am going to publish the #bitcoin-assets Bitcoin awards
jborkl: I need categories and reasons
jborkl: None need to be valid and must be funny in some twisted way
RagnarDanneskjol: well biggest derpfuktard comes to mind
mircea_popescu: bitcoin's best tits ?
jborkl: Hell yeah
jborkl: Great suggestion
mircea_popescu: "least original name"
jdanks: i'll maybe go for that award lol
mircea_popescu: "most buzzwordy meaningless pr release"
mircea_popescu: "biggest first biggest".
jborkl: Very very good
jborkl: The PR release will be full
mircea_popescu: "longest two weeks"
jborkl: Who has Bitcoin best boobs?
jborkl: You are on fire
jborkl: Oh I nominate pr
mircea_popescu: jborkl either someone in here http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ or maybe one of these pixies http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jborkl: Great , I can go with that.
jborkl: Most meaningless PR I can throw a dart
mircea_popescu: "Worst pr move masquerading as an award", you can give that to the bitcoin foundation for the two bit idiot debacle.
jborkl: Awesome on the tits story. That wins with 4 palms award
jborkl: Lol, that wins for sure.
RagnarDanneskjol: check his pictorial anthology - belongs in the smithsonian: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jpg+from%3Amircea+haslink%3Atrue
assbot: 339 results for 'jpg from:mircea haslink:true' - #bitcoin-assets search
mircea_popescu: wow.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/
assbot: Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers
jborkl: So that is three categories, this is going very fast
mircea_popescu: left the guy a comment to come here, not approved yet, but anyway, if he shows up someone voice him
TheNewDeal: I'm going to be in the smithsonian!!
mircea_popescu: as a what ?
mircea_popescu: !up dogeywoof
TheNewDeal: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jpg+from%3Amircea+haslink%3Atrue
assbot: 339 results for 'jpg from:mircea haslink:true' - #bitcoin-assets search
dogeywoof: Thanks
mircea_popescu: can i have a 5 doge tip now ty.
dogeywoof: How do I tip you
jborkl: Category : worst Bitcoin idea
mircea_popescu: see kakobrekla ? THERE IS DEMAND.
kakobrekla: :p
mircea_popescu: jborkl "most satoshi-like individual that's not acually satoshi"
TheNewDeal: http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/ Wasn't EV sued for something other than SD?
assbot: Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers
dogeywoof: Where's kitteh?
dogeywoof: !seen kitteh
TheNewDeal: meow
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal guy has a tenuous grasp on facts. which, for an outsider, i guess is laudable.
dogeywoof: Hey SuchWow
jborkl: Hah anyone named satoshi is chased by English press
TheNewDeal: !up SuchWow
jborkl: Well, onto real categories
jborkl: Best blog I cast my WOT only vote for trilema
jborkl: Best broker as coinbr
bitcointrader_: Anybody doing OTC derivatives on here? Like put options or forward contracts?
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust bitcointrader_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bitcointrader_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=bitcointrader_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcointrader_ | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: not you tho.
SuchWow: lol either give me permanent voice or stop giving me temp voice. all it does is ping me, and i don't usually have anything to say, just observing :)
SuchWow: also, hello
SuchWow: lol
mircea_popescu: lol kk.
SuchWow: one day i'll be more interested and educated on the topics of discussion and investments here, and when that's the case, I'll speak up for sure :)
dogeywoof: SuchWow: so mean :f
TheNewDeal: omg absolute riduloustardedness "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."
mircea_popescu: he has a point.
SuchWow: dogeywoof: not being mean, it's just once you've been temp upped like dozens of times, it pings you twice in an hour, its just kinda annoying is all. Yes I should've just asked nicely for perma voice tho lol
jborkl: Anyone else with WOT want to vote?
jborkl: If you do , later tell me , I am going to write it in the morning.
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mircea_popescu: jborkl this suggests a ready expansion to Jason's bot. it could hold propositions for voting, like a gpg-poll thing.
jborkl: Cool idea, I will start on that
mircea_popescu: like
bitcointrader_: mircea, is there an escrow service that does otc derivatives?
mircea_popescu: !reg "Who should be the derpiest" and it gives you an index, then !vote 1224543 herpy and it tallies "herpy" +1
mircea_popescu: bitcointrader_ an escrow service does any deal, what difference does it make to it.
jborkl: Very good idea, and it will piss a bunch of people off
jborkl: That is always good
bitcointrader_: they can take collateral from both sides to ensure no counterparty risk
jborkl: Let's see coindesk plagiarize that heh
mircea_popescu: how do you plan to handle fiat collateral ?
bitcointrader_: BTC collateral
RagnarDanneskjol: you mean to mitigate SOME cp risk
mircea_popescu: if you take btc both sides it's hardly no cp risk.
jborkl: Ok make sure to vote ! +12 hours from now voting ends. WOT only 1st anal #bitcoin-assets awards
mircea_popescu: !up bitcointrader_
bitcointrader_: yout payout like a CFD. It's not fully eliminating cp risk but if you deposit 50% with escrow is covers a substantial amount. Just have an auto stop loss in place
mircea_popescu: in general, people trade otc as in, otc. major players
mircea_popescu: !up Tim___
mircea_popescu: they knoe each other, they trust each other, escrow is not the problem.
mircea_popescu: !up turbo_ac100
bitcointrader_: how are you settling your option and future contracts today?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wyrdmantis: punkman: you mean an offline machine? << http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/
assbot: How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
turbo_ac100: LTC bets http://bitbet.us/bet/864/ltc-to-fall-against-btc/ http://bitbet.us/bet/782/ltc/ and http://bitbet.us/bet/997/ltc-to-drop-under-6-50-before-september/ have resolved.
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mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 cool.
mircea_popescu: !up TimSwanson
TheNewDeal: i got hosed on that facking ltc bet
turbo_ac100: Yeah. I had a WOT rating here from kakobrekla. And I had a super-secure password. Only one is left.
TheNewDeal: was watching it all day
TimSwanson: Hello, all of my passwords are 1234abcd
mircea_popescu: lol
TheNewDeal: went to go jerk off, shower, then I come back and BAM it's trading at .0101 something
TimSwanson: Anton suggested I come chat, I saw mircea's comment on my site
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal was it that it stays under or what ?
TheNewDeal: stays above
mircea_popescu: TimSwanson you the guy with the ofnumbers/book thing ? ☟︎
TheNewDeal: got caught with the late bet once again
TimSwanson: that's me
TimSwanson: i have to go in a bit, but can chat for a few moments
mircea_popescu: ok, let me explain to you why your "ad hominem" approach is broken.
TheNewDeal: lol
TimSwanson: I have read your post 3 times, you do not cite any data
TimSwanson: All you do is attack me
TimSwanson: That is an "ad hominem"
mircea_popescu: you may generously represent yourself as equal to all people, myself included. this however is false : i am a major player in a major revolution. you are practically nobody, or if we're charitable a minor player in a lengthy tradition, if we are again charitable and consider the us derpage somehow related to european academia as a human thought adventure.
TimSwanson: That is an ad hominem
mircea_popescu: now, if you want to talk about my think, and i say you're stupid, this can not be waved aside by you claiming it's an ad hominem.
TimSwanson: That is what the authors of articles in The Economist, do not sign their names
mircea_popescu: i would know if it were or if it weren't. you, however, wouldn't.
TimSwanson: because the arguments are supposed to stand for themselves
TimSwanson: That is besides the point
mircea_popescu: so. inasmuch as you wish to continue, on the general expectation that bitcoin will eventually conform to your worldview, you're more than welcome to it.
TimSwanson: Mircea, you need to deal with the content of the chapters
mircea_popescu: however, this will positively never happen. bitcoin will just ruin academia as you know it and that's that.
TimSwanson: And not just say "hey, I don't know him"
mircea_popescu: why ?
TimSwanson: Because that's how normal debates work ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
TheNewDeal: because he desparately needs your attention
TimSwanson: I know reading is hard in caves in Romania
TimSwanson: Lack of light, etc.
mircea_popescu: you don't get to say how these debates work. again, because bitcoin. ☟︎
TheNewDeal: otherwise he falls off into the blogosphere
mircea_popescu: the problem here isbn't that i don't know you.,
mircea_popescu: the problem is that you don't klnow me, and by extension bitcoin.
TimSwanson: I don't care that you don't know me
TimSwanson: You don't own Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: you're stuck working with strawmen whether you want to or not.
TimSwanson: That's not how debates work ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: which is why the stuff yo usay is lulzy to people here, but not to you.
TimSwanson: What is the strawman?
TheNewDeal: Can I please argue for a moment
TimSwanson: You attacked me in a post
mircea_popescu: i didn't attack you.
TimSwanson: That's an ad hominem
TimSwanson: Yes you did
TheNewDeal: I have a bone to pick with this statement "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."
TimSwanson: You said I was a "environmental scholar"
mircea_popescu: i scored you. the difference here is that in order to attack you we'd have to share something. we do not.
mircea_popescu: what exactly do you do for a living ?
TimSwanson: Haha, okay
TimSwanson: I hope you enjoy your journey on the High Horse
TimSwanson: If you clicked "About the author" you might know
mircea_popescu: i have, which is how i got to this idea
TimSwanson: I do a lot work with Bitcoin startups, legal ones
mircea_popescu: now, i may well have misunderstood you. so, what do you do ?
TimSwanson: I have said so in many interviews
TimSwanson: I work doing market research for Bitcoin companies
mircea_popescu: none that apparently ever mattered.
mircea_popescu: so you think.
TimSwanson: Okay, nice
TimSwanson: Any other personal insults you'd like to make?
mircea_popescu: looky : i've been fran kto you. now, can i get a frank answer to what exactly it is you do, for a living ?
mircea_popescu: as a profession. what's your degree. something.
TimSwanson: I get paid to interview people, find out what they do and then write it up
TimSwanson: Go to my LinkedIn
TimSwanson: It's on my site
turbo_ac100: g'night guys. New key tommorrow :)
mircea_popescu: you think this is somehow more respectable than "evironment scholar" ?
TimSwanson: I have never done anything with the "environment"
mircea_popescu: Timothy Swanson Timothy Swanson is an American economics scholar specializing in environmental governance, ... << is this you ?
TimSwanson: I used to actually build mining machines
TimSwanson: no
TimSwanson: That's wikipedia
TimSwanson: Another guy
mircea_popescu: so you're not that tim swanson.
TimSwanson: If you actually clicked on my LinkedIn, you would see that is the case
mircea_popescu: okay, i'll have to fix that article, no scholar environmental or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: link it.
TimSwanson: Busy with other stuff, you can click on it by visiting: www.ofnumbers.com/about-the-author
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.linkedin.com/in/timswanson
assbot: Tim Swanson | LinkedIn
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont think blogging is a real job, no?
mircea_popescu: and as to the earlier point : there is no such thing as "legal ones" re bitcoin companies. there's bitcoin companies, and then there's fiat companies that try to make a buck off bitcoin
mircea_popescu: these two have exactly zero in common.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol arguably i make a living blogging these days, so who's to know anymore.
TimSwanson: Blogging is not my job
TimSwanson: Honestly, I didn't come here to be personally insulted, I thought you actually had data
mircea_popescu: Great Chain of Numbers: A Guide to Smart Contracts, Smart Property and Trustless Asset Management
mircea_popescu: March 3, 2014
mircea_popescu: Authors: Tim Swanson
TimSwanson: Instead, you're just attacking me
RagnarDanneskjol: I can make a living camping and foraging, does not make it a real job
TimSwanson: Do you have any actual complaints with say, Chapter 3?
mircea_popescu: TimSwanson you ever read http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ ?
assbot: GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TimSwanson: Yes, I linked to it in my recent book saying it won't work ☟︎
TimSwanson: Chapter 17
TimSwanson: in a footnote
TheNewDeal: teach me your secrets
TimSwanson: Pay me money
mircea_popescu: TimSwanson now we're getting somewhere.
TimSwanson: Look, all you have to do, is read either book and then you can say what you disagree with
TimSwanson: Imagine if the book had no author, then it would just be about the actual content of the book
TimSwanson: Instead, you have wasted about 10 minutes trying to attack me
mircea_popescu: if the book had no author i definitely wouildn't read it.
TimSwanson: Okay, that's your loss
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how this works. things need a source to exist.
TimSwanson: I cite hundreds of sources
TimSwanson: Other sources
TimSwanson: Look in the Endnotes
mircea_popescu: hundreds of sources eh ?
TimSwanson: Yes, you should press the blue underlined hyperlink button to open the book
mircea_popescu: this is readily reducible to the problem of "i have a very high wot score". it's not the number. it's the identity.
mircea_popescu: dja grok how the wot works ?
TimSwanson: Then on the right side there is a "scroll bar", go down to the bottom
TimSwanson: I am not interested in your WoT games
TimSwanson: I came here out of curteousy
TimSwanson: I have answered your questions
mircea_popescu: right. so if you're not interested in bitcoin, why should i care what you wrote down somewhere ?
TimSwanson: My WoT in the real world is pretty good
TimSwanson: You are the one leaving comments on my blog
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the gist of the problem. get interested in bitcoin or get used to not being taken seriously, i guess.
TimSwanson: If you weren't interested, why would you leave it?
TimSwanson: You are not a gatekeeper for bitcoin
TimSwanson: You do not get to decide who is or is not interested
mircea_popescu: i left a comment on an article that pingbacked my article,
TimSwanson: That defeats the whole purpose of permissionless
TimSwanson: It auto-pings
TimSwanson: Welcome to 2003
mircea_popescu: and i left it because it was apparent to me that you don't, on your own, possess the intellectual means to comprehend the problem.
TimSwanson: What is the problem I do not comprehend?
mircea_popescu: now, whether this session helped or didn't is unclear, but at least i tried.
TimSwanson: I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works
TimSwanson: What did you try?
TimSwanson: Insulting me?
mircea_popescu: well, i suppose the way to reference it in your system would be "the wot games".
TimSwanson: You have provided no data for your position
TimSwanson: I understand WoT
mircea_popescu: you aren't yet enough of a something to be insultable im affraid.
TimSwanson: I have a big network in the real world outside caves
TimSwanson: So you invited me, to insult me?
mircea_popescu: that's nice.
mircea_popescu: well now look. so do you understand the wot or don't you.
TimSwanson: What is your actual argument?
TimSwanson: Yes, I am not in your WoT
TimSwanson: I am not interested in being your WoT
TimSwanson: I am interested in research, with data
mircea_popescu: my actual argument is that you're captive in a mostly meanginless structure, and that it's a shame, basically.
TimSwanson: That was not your argument
TimSwanson: You called me names
TimSwanson: And ignored "a"
TimSwanson: Whoever "a" was
mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me what my argument is, now is it ?
TimSwanson: Brought up good points on mining costs
TimSwanson: Look, I have to go in about 5 minutes
mircea_popescu: have fun.
TimSwanson: Do you actually have some data about mining you want to chat about?
TimSwanson: Or did you just want to insult me?
RagnarDanneskjol: please stay, this is highly entertaining
mircea_popescu: no, but should you wish to actually learn about bitcoin, this channel is here.
mircea_popescu: there's also a log.
TimSwanson: Haha, you're right, I have no idea what Bitcoin is, at all
mircea_popescu: so you can do it discreetly if ego wound avoidance is such a priority.
TimSwanson: Please, tell me the way, the truth and the light
mircea_popescu: indeed, that's the gist of it.
TimSwanson: Look, you sound a lot like any other religious leader who says "you cannot understand the movement unless you're part of it"
TimSwanson: It's a non sequitur
mircea_popescu: also a¬ stands for.. .a-non
TimSwanson: Either you have an argument with data, or just rhetoric
mircea_popescu: i thought it was pretty clever.
mircea_popescu: i am not actually saying that.
TimSwanson: Okay, so "a-non had an interesting couple of points
TimSwanson: About the costs of mining
mircea_popescu: what i am saying is that you can never have something meanginful to say about a culture from outside of it.
TimSwanson: The costs of mining have seen and unseen aspects
TimSwanson: Bitcoin is open source tech
TimSwanson: It's not culture
mircea_popescu: well that'd be where we differ
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is irreducible to fiat.
TimSwanson: Show me the line of code that has "culture" in it?
mircea_popescu: this'd be a fine example of the strawman in question. you imagine this is a meaningful question, but it isn't.
TimSwanson: This si the same problem cypherpunks had back in the '90s
TimSwanson: They built really cool tech like PGP or even Digicash and ZKS but couldn't find a target market in a profitable manner
RagnarDanneskjol: </member><member name="P:Bitcoin_import_key.My.Resources.Resources.Culture">
mircea_popescu: i doubt thinking of those people in collective terms is very sensible, but anyway.
TimSwanson: Are you a bot?
TimSwanson: You have not said anything about mining
mircea_popescu: "cypherpunks" didn't "build pgp"
mod6: lel
TimSwanson: Pretty sure the cypherpunks in California would disagree with you, Phil Zimmerman may have coded it, but they dreamt it up, etc.
mircea_popescu: oh they dreamt it up
mircea_popescu: show me the dream in the code.
TimSwanson: Anyways, I am gonna take off
TimSwanson: Was nice chatting with the community here
TimSwanson: Feel free to email me if you have any other questions
TimSwanson: Cheers
mod6: m00
mircea_popescu: this being the main reason. people get so emotionally invested in their fiat-denominated holdings they simply can't adapt.
mircea_popescu: and it's funny what actually plays the role of fiat-denominated investment in most cases.
mircea_popescu: not like this dude is rich or anything.
RagnarDanneskjol: that's the bay area for ya
mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to extract the footnote in question from chapter 17, lemmeknow. i got a log to read.
mircea_popescu: somehow i'd much rather spend my time reading that than listen to songs someone wrote based on poems they wrote (the world needs more singers-songwriters and fewer doctors and engineers!)
TheNewDeal: you would rather read that trash?
TheNewDeal: I can only presume there's some thick sarcasm I'm missing
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks << this is a major part of why mtgox debacle was so funny to the old timers.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal what trash, th logs ?
TheNewDeal: oh gotcha. Thought you meant that dude's writings
mircea_popescu: ah, him. well, if he manages to get over himself he might actually do something useful at some point.
mircea_popescu: is this the first time i got called a religious leader btw ?
TheNewDeal: "Bitcoin may be able to do that one day, but maybe not at the current $40 per transaction cost structure. " What troll-drugs is this guy smoking
dignork: TheNewDeal: it sounds like fallacy, but it's partially true
TheNewDeal: I have never paid $40 per transaction
mircea_popescu: dignork did that go just about the way you expected ?
TheNewDeal: I have never paid 1$ per transaction
dignork: usdbtcprice/average number of tx per block
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's the old "bitcoin is nto visa" thing.
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown google.com
gribble: google.com is up
TheNewDeal: Gotcha. I was taking it to mean 40$ in fees per transaction
mircea_popescu: not for me...
TheNewDeal: i got this https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl
assbot: Google
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal nah, this thing http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015
assbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
dignork: TheNewDeal: yeah, but it's an extrapolation, to when miners payouts drop to zero
TheNewDeal: I've read that comment before
dignork: mircea_popescu: I think it's a beginning of beautiful friendship. or not.
mircea_popescu: dignork how old is the dude anyway ?
mircea_popescu: locklin never managed to get over being told off.
mircea_popescu: i would imagine somewhere 30ish is the cutoff.
mircea_popescu: chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ?normal? we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy? << trilema!11!11!eleven :D
dignork: mircea_popescu: not sure, from linkedin pic - 30 or so, i'm bad with age detection
mircea_popescu: looks 48 to me, but what do i know.
mircea_popescu: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6952.12 GH/s
dignork: TheNewDeal: so the logic goes: currently miners are reimbursed ~40$ per tx, what will happen to them when payout drops. It's actually a valid question imho.
mircea_popescu: dignork what's that $40 come from, 600ish tx per block, 25 btc per tx, 600 $ per btc ?
dignork: yep
mircea_popescu: do you see how idiotic it is to look at that in $ ?
mircea_popescu: they'll be paid some fractions of bitcent.
mircea_popescu: that's where this lets go : btc price goes up high enough for it to be worthwhile to miners. that tiny cent.
TheNewDeal: as transaction fees?
mircea_popescu: otherwise they don't sell it.
mircea_popescu: yes.
dignork: which might cost gazillions, but you can't count on it, price might rise slower than payout fall
mircea_popescu: it can't lol.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly what it's based on
mircea_popescu: what did you think drove the price, "merchant adoption"?
TheNewDeal: then why wasn't there a huge price jump during the reward halving?
TheNewDeal: was it "priced in"
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: real prices don't follow fundamentals exactly. this is how you know they're real prices.
dignork: TheNewDeal: well, currently fees are very small relative to pyaouts, so it wasn;t supposed to create price jump
mircea_popescu: if you look at secular averages, there is a huge jump.
TheNewDeal: but the reward halved!
TheNewDeal: what do you mean by secular?
TheNewDeal: ;;ud secular
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=secular | Dec 24, 2004 ... secular. Intelligent; One who uses common sense and deductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that religion is a joke. I think, therefore I ...
mircea_popescu: average price over 215k blocks.
dignork: right, so fees jumped from 0.1% to 0.2 #
mircea_popescu: dignork that's not the problem. the equation roughly is, "total btc miners get for mining". how that chunk is composed dun matter much.
mircea_popescu: so per-block went from 50.00x to 25.0x
mircea_popescu: roughly, halved.
mircea_popescu: and it looks like it's gonna go 12.x, and then x as in 6-9ish
TheNewDeal: do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount?
mircea_popescu: aren't they already ?
TheNewDeal: as in, .00025 or something
TheNewDeal: currently it's .0001
mircea_popescu: well so there you go.
TheNewDeal: I'm just wondering, do yo think that is how things will go?
mircea_popescu: it's a market, unlikely it'll ever go over a buck or w/e.
mircea_popescu: obviouisly. scarce resource, expensive to make. gotta be this tal lto ride.
TheNewDeal: it would be interesting to see if there were peak hours where high fee transactions were the vast majority to get through
TheNewDeal: then off peak, back to some lower levels
mircea_popescu: maybe some timezone effect eventually.
mircea_popescu: !up jborkl
jborkl: Thank you
mircea_popescu: !up Ginux
mircea_popescu: tefl/tkt ? holy shit, english teachers are now talking about their connections in the world ? what the fuck is wrong with this world, jesus.
jborkl: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-assets-1st-annual-bitcoin-awards/
assbot: 403 Forbidden
jborkl: Never mind the 403 it works
mircea_popescu: everyone's just sell sell sell not even a moment to consider it may be veering into the fucking ridiculous after a while ?
mircea_popescu: punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there << i wonder how much btc they get paid.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bats_cd03
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bats_cd03 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bats_cd03 | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bats_cd03 New blood.
gribble: Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bats_cd03 1 New blood.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 get in the wot wouldja.
mircea_popescu: !up bats_cd03
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00073702 = 32.8711 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop? << three gini guesses, and anything that's not "because they stopped wash trading" dun count.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000" << shoudl be interesting what they rent for 111k. weren't the derps in san francisco whining coupla months ago that 10 / month / sqfoot is "outside of what a business can pay" ?
TheNewDeal: is bats different from mats?
mircea_popescu: i has nfi.
mircea_popescu: i ended up in http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?page=3&order=dateup and im chortling to myself lmao.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: this shit's gotten pretty good by now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 278 @ 0.00188898 = 0.5251 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: <TheNewDeal> do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount? < only the poor people pay fees
mircea_popescu: bitcoin, retrograde in more than one ways.
TheNewDeal: is that why bitbet takes so long from resolved to my wallet :D
nanotube: <mircea_popescu> nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or http://bitcoin-otc.com to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ? <- if you mean by gpg keyid/print, then gpg info supports query by keyid. website does not currently but in theory that can be arranged.
assbot: #bitcoin-otc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14473 @ 0.00073589 = 10.6505 BTC [-] {2}
nanotube: ;;help gpg info
gribble: (gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID. ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12577 @ 0.00073455 = 9.2384 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: ;;google define: test
gribble: Speedtest.net by Ookla - The Global Broadband Speed Test: <http://www.speedtest.net/>; Personality test based on C. Jung and I. Briggs Myers type theory: <http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp>; Speakeasy Speed Test: <https://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/>
copumpkin: MPOE tanking!
copumpkin: (cheap MPOE?)
TheNewDeal: get it while its cold
cazalla: when did havelock change so that you must be logged in and own shares in order to download reports?
cazalla: it throws me this message when i tried to grab casinobitco.in update - "You must be logged in and own units of the fund"
cazalla: actually, works for some, not others, maybe it's up to whoever listed it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 31 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7822 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2759999 = 0.552 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nanotube the gribble part is good enough.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpginfo 2FB7B452
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info 2FB7B452
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info 8A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: nanotube what am i doing wrong ?
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info --key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Aug 11 17:27:18 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu .
mircea_popescu: a yay!
mircea_popescu: Jason ^
mircea_popescu: nanotube tyvm, sorry for all the highlights :)
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos <<< yes, this is why fires are so dangerous in contemporary urban settings. the smoke kills you more often than the fire.
mircea_popescu: it's a great coincidence that wood burns cleanly and coal only slightly dirty, otherwise civilisation'd have been quite a different thing.
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-assets-1st-annual-bitcoin-awards/
nanotube: mircea_popescu: np :)
mircea_popescu: i can't decide if i prefer cognac or rum with this chocolate fondue. they're both so damned good!
mircea_popescu: i may end like buridan's ass
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 322 @ 0.00185138 = 0.5961 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: floats and longs and dates and times and ints and bigints and omg i had no idea computers were insane
ben_vulpes: but i guess it makes sense
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 299 @ 0.001851 = 0.5534 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.27599684 = 1.104 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 36 @ 0.01430999 = 0.5152 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.276 = 2.208 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ====insane
ben_vulpes: i always thought numbers came in a select set of logical groups
ben_vulpes: real
ben_vulpes: irrational
ben_vulpes: imaginary
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42728 @ 0.00073197 = 31.2756 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: you're suffering from tim's mental feebleness.
mircea_popescu: the numbers are not the problem. their representation is. much like "ideas" come in sets of logical groups
mircea_popescu: except random derps don't have ideas, tehy have expressions of what they think are ideas.
mircea_popescu: totally different thing.
mircea_popescu: http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-chinese-bitcoin-mine/ << pretty cool article. maybe someone tell the guy to come by ?
assbot: Inside a Chinese Bitcoin Mine | The CoinsmanThe Coinsman
punkman: oh wow TimSwanson and his DATA
mircea_popescu: punkman six hours in, log is magically 15k lines long.
punkman: yeah fuck me
punkman: mircea_popescu: I like how he complains about ad hominem and spits them out every few lines
mircea_popescu: the thing with people is that most of them are better served by following than leading. this is manifested by an inability to adhere to a self-selected set of rules. so, you know, he wants to roll with the punches.
mircea_popescu: gotta show me i'm not the only one that can be an asshole!
mircea_popescu: there's a nice quote in that 60s scofield movie on just this topic :
mircea_popescu: The Duke of Norfolk: Oh confound all this. I'm not a scholar, I don't know whether the marriage was lawful or not but dammit, Thomas, look at these names! Why can't you do as I did and come with us, for fellowship!
mircea_popescu: Sir Thomas More: And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience, and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust gavinandresen
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user gavinandresen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=gavinandresen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gavinandresen | Rated since: Mon Mar 28 12:32:28 2011
ben_vulpes: ;;rate gavinandresen -1 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861#issuecomment-29491869
assbot: Add support for watch-only addresses by sipa Pull Request #2861 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes
gribble: Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5a4d800574af8164a4e5034d6639538d5426c4937ac9c827e2fd40a7
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ben_vulpes: ;;rate gavinandresen -1 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861#issuecomment-29491869
assbot: Add support for watch-only addresses by sipa Pull Request #2861 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user gavinandresen has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what am i missing here ?
ben_vulpes: "Could you just run with an always-encrypted wallet instead, and if not, why not?"
ben_vulpes: ex-CUSE me?
ben_vulpes: this guy helped shut watch-only wallets and addresses out of the core client, while merging in heartbleed.
ben_vulpes: but someone making comments like that cannot be trusted with bitcoin code review.
ben_vulpes: i'd be *thrilled* to hear the counterpoint.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. you can already run watch-only addresses.
mircea_popescu: i can definitely watch yours.
mircea_popescu: what's at stake ?!
dignork: ben_vulpes: well, his proper answer would be: here is x-lines of python code, that will overwrite privkey with 0's in your wallet, now load it as read-only
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how are you doing watch only addresses?
mircea_popescu: you can grep the blockchain for chrissakes if nothing else.
mircea_popescu: seems to me an incredibly minor point
mircea_popescu: you can insert any address you want in your wallet. sure, you won't have the privkey to sign with it. so ?
dignork: mircea_popescu: it need to be marked as encrypted, otherwise bitcoind might do stupid things
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/HistoryInPics/status/497831881145344001/photo/1
assbot: Robin Williams cheerleading for the Denver Broncos, 1980 http://t.co/CxMfCl6uIs
ben_vulpes: the thing was ready. now i need to go load the wallet.dat format into my brain.
mircea_popescu: or you can just merge yourself and compile.
mircea_popescu: any way you turn it this is minor kitchenwork.
punkman: I am subjecting myself to Swanson's book
punkman: "as detailed in chapter 9, having 100% full reserve  is not a feature, it is a bug that holds and prevents the network from reproducing or creating an actual banking system."
mircea_popescu: punkman let me know if you get to something noteworthy.
ben_vulpes: *shrug*
ben_vulpes: i'd wished to put the time to better use.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes o you trying to have a watcher in place ?
ben_vulpes: yeah.
punkman: "the security of digitized fiat currencies are arguably just as secure (via cryptography) as cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin; no one steals money off Fedwire or Visa’s system, it is the edges of the network that are the most vulnerable"
punkman: I think these two sum up his preconceptions
mircea_popescu: i doubt the ideological needs of pierce's masters can so readily be summed up.
mircea_popescu: one needs a whole lot of various crap to keep the fiat boat afloat.
pete_dushenski: http://www.darkreading.com/attacks-and-breaches/malware-alert-is-badbios-rootkit-jumping-air-gaps/d/d-id/1112169
assbot: Malware Alert: Is 'BadBIOS' Rootkit Jumping Air Gaps?
pete_dushenski: "The weirdest part is how it uses ultrasonic sound to jump air gaps," - Schneier
pete_dushenski: "the odd behavior affected not just Macs but also Windows and Linux systems, and only ceased when the microphone, external speaker, and speaker attached to the motherboard were removed."
punkman: wasn't that one debunked
pete_dushenski: quite possibly
pete_dushenski: first i've heard of it
punkman: !s badbios
assbot: 24 results for 'badbios' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=badbios
pete_dushenski: article is over a year ols
pete_dushenski: old*
pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2013/badbios-aka-badlydonedamagecontrol/
assbot: #BadBios, aka #BadlyDoneDamageControl pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pete_dushenski: also, that's quite the new header on trilema
pete_dushenski: it's the headiest header i ever did see
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they keep rewarming this stale voodoo.
pete_dushenski: disinfo can be just as sticky, if not stickier, than info
mircea_popescu: guy that made the first pwn2own thing went nuts making insane claims. exactly what impotent bureaucracies trying to pass for dangerous spooks would like to hear.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski got teeth ? :D
pete_dushenski: and only one cavity!
pete_dushenski: that is, filling
RagnarDanneskjol: +1 - new header is epic
mircea_popescu: it;'s really quite old. about amonth or so apart from the world famous horseback one.
RagnarDanneskjol: horseback still my fav - was that photoshopped or really @ pyramids?
RagnarDanneskjol: such good framing
RagnarDanneskjol: looks fake
mircea_popescu: yes it was at teh pyramids.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2672177 = 0.5344 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: nice
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/l_m_goodman/status/497721593905565696 << she don't quit
assbot: If /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash is antifragile, as is often claimed, why are many of its holders so virulently adverse to competition?
pete_dushenski: i should dig up my old photos from giza
pete_dushenski: the best one has my brother and i playing golf in the shadow of the pyramids
pete_dushenski: mina house golf course iirc
mircea_popescu: you can tell her we're just virulently adverse to unselfaware idiocy
punkman: well I've been looking for all that data in the book but I only found copy-pasted charts of dubious provenance and footnote links of dubious provenance. Not even a single link to organofcorti.
pete_dushenski: like this lovely lady http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/19/3f/00003f19_medium.jpeg
pete_dushenski: ^who is nothing like leah and everything like a civilized woman enjoying cairo in style
mircea_popescu: punkman so this is yet another case of "mp makes definite statements on no basis ; later they turn out to be true." ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: just like "the govs are mining!"
mircea_popescu: it sucks being such a religious leader all the god damned time.
mod6: haha
punkman: aha
mircea_popescu: (this is what i'm going to call people that are right from now on. if leah derpman can make nonsensical statement then chase it with "saying it doesn't make it so" @ som eunfortunate soul that tried to point out she's talking out her butt, why can't i!)
punkman: you know what's really annoying? clicking on a footnote, jumping to end of book, then not being able to go back to the footnote reference
punkman: so hey guys, if you write a book, footnotes go at the end of each page
mircea_popescu: nah you just need to insert a return symbol.
mircea_popescu: most nonretarded noting systems do this by default.
mod6: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1761109.84 in 175 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 275.07
mircea_popescu: 1.7mn ? srsly ?!
mircea_popescu: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 7440.49 GH/s
mircea_popescu: 7.5th ?
mod6: yeah
mod6: that thing always has reported in gh/s on its website so I just use that.
mod6: the atc gotw is about to come to a screeching halt. lol
mircea_popescu: this is a high hash mark isnt it
mod6: it might be, ya
mircea_popescu: Humans are highly adaptive creatures and incredibly ingenious when it comes to modifying our behavior in the face of externally or internally applied pressure and circumstance. ‘Normal’ is a relative term, not some static measurement, and both the body and mind quickly becomes accustomed to the ‘new’ normal when choices appear to be limited and the herd moves to a new grazing field. But this doesn’t mean the
mircea_popescu: results of social pressures and generational conditioning are dictated by human nature or that human nature guides human behavior under these extraordinarily distorted circumstances.
mircea_popescu: fucking hell these idiots.
mircea_popescu: why doesn't it mean ? cuz author says so ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 215 @ 0.00432635 = 0.9302 BTC [+] {3}
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.resourceinvestor.com/2014/08/11/vix-vs-gold-the-ultimate-battle-between-fear-gree?ref=hp
assbot: VIX vs. Gold: The ultimate battle between fear & greed | Resource Investor
mircea_popescu: http://media.resourceinvestor.com/resourceinvestor/article/2014/08/11/mansour.jpg that's no correlation.
RagnarDanneskjol: d was this "
RagnarDanneskjol: only interesting bit i found was this:
RagnarDanneskjol: Something within the composition of the relationship between gold and VIX has changed in this timeframe. For the past two years, it has been a largely negative correlated relationship amassing around -0.4 to -0.3. However, come summer of 2013, there has been a dramatic reversal of this trend, pushing it into unprecedented territories of a positive correlation upwards of +0.5. The large swings following summer of 2013
RagnarDanneskjol: before leveling off in April could be noise, or the effects of this relationship changing.
RagnarDanneskjol: i thought the same thing, chart doesnt support anything
mircea_popescu: only a mind that never played with statistics can think there's something in there.
mircea_popescu: make two random series, fit them, you'll get something more or less like that
mircea_popescu: wild swings up and down
RagnarDanneskjol: says guy is an ""analyst""" here: https://www.digitaltangibletrust.com/
assbot: Welcome to DigitalTangible
RagnarDanneskjol: rolls eyes
mircea_popescu: maybe he's an analyst as opposed to a cunning linguist.
RagnarDanneskjol: heh
RagnarDanneskjol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsFL17DvOIA
assbot: CunninLynguists - "Enemies With Benefits" featuring Tonedeff - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3387 @ 0.00072833 = 2.4669 BTC [-]
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021999 / 0.00021999 / 0.00022 (1500 shares, 0.33 BTC), 30D: 0.00019 / 0.00020702 / 0.00022 (93120 shares, 19.28 BTC)
kyuupichan: Altcoin space undergoing something of a collapse
xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: like your name, heh
pankkake: oooh ltc finaly under 0.01. nice
kyuupichan: pankkake: Likely for good this time
RagnarDanneskjol: thanks - I am a privateer, not a pirate
RagnarDanneskjol: i fought a hard battle to get it corrected in wikipedia but gave up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlas_Shrugged_characters#Ragnar_Danneskj.C3.B6ld
assbot: List of Atlas Shrugged characters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
pankkake: what do you mean corrected?
RagnarDanneskjol: more accurate desc is here> http://www.conservapedia.com/Ragnar_Danneskj%C3%B6ld
assbot: Ragnar Danneskjld - Conservapedia
RagnarDanneskjol: I mean edited it then they change it back
pankkake: but what correction? also lol conservapedia
RagnarDanneskjol: in wiki It calls him a pirate
pankkake: oh
mircea_popescu: <kyuupichan> pankkake: Likely for good this time << prolly.
mircea_popescu: !up antonosika
mircea_popescu: antonosika if you want 2016 delivery we can just do that.
mircea_popescu: lol someone got pete all riled up.
kyuupichan: BRK.A about 348 BTC. Has to go under 314 BTC by March or I'm fscked.
antonosika: Well that's higher risk too. The issue would be being paid 1 Satoshi if delayed. Why not just change it to a second contract with delivery 2016 if delay?
mircea_popescu: because you don't get a string of options.
mircea_popescu: pick a date you can live with and that's that.
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan what if it goes to 300 or w/e
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-december/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December :: 1.03 B (25%) on Yes, 3.1 B (75%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 98`791 (100`000 to 1)
kyuupichan: Don't care so much there :)
mircea_popescu: but if btc drops...
kyuupichan: If BTC drops it might tempt more into the BRK.A bet, which could be good.
antonosika: mircea_popescu I could do that but I don't see the reason. A contract where one party has a chance to recieve nothing is a large and unnecessary risk
antonosika: Would it be possible to have 2016 delivery but delivery march 2015 provided a few requirements?
mircea_popescu: antonosika the idea here is that the constant admin costs aren't worth it to me.
mircea_popescu: im not looking for an opportunity to play the businessman. i'm sick and tired of the actual work of it.
mircea_popescu: so you'll have to somehow come to terms with a one-off sort of contract. i'm not chaining conditionals.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 566.31, Best ask: 568.82, Bid-ask spread: 2.51000, Last trade: 568.83, 24 hour volume: 8025.64486705, 24 hour low: 565.44, 24 hour high: 589.28, 24 hour vwap: 0
kuzetsa: ;;calc [avgprc usd 24h] - [avgprc usd 7d]
gribble: 3.5
mircea_popescu: not so much volatility huh.
kuzetsa nods
kyuupichan: mircea_popescu: Anyone take you up on your Ether offer?
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan just a lot of talk around it so far.
kuzetsa: short term fluctuations on a few exchanges, but the weekly changes have been less than $20usd for a while now from what I've noticed
kyuupichan: Lame
kuzetsa: I can't recall ever having seen bitcoin exchange rates this stable for so long before
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan the eth scammers pretty much admitted it was all wash trading in some blogpost recently
kuzetsa: wash trading?
mircea_popescu: so nothing to be particularly surprised about.
kuzetsa: O_O
mircea_popescu: ;;google wash trading
gribble: Wash Trading Definition | Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/washtrading.asp>; Wash trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash_trade>; Wash sale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash_sale>
kuzetsa: haha no, I know
kuzetsa: I just wasn't aware that was going on
RagnarDanneskjol: lemme know if you want a search run for someone to pick up the slack on those constant admin time costs - just let me know what measurwments you need, blonde or brunette
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol it's not really something one can outsource. liquidity events are notoriously contentious, high level sort of work.
RagnarDanneskjol: I get it, you can keep her chained in the basement tho
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: poor girl.
fluffypony: goodbye Litecoin
fluffypony: we hardly knew ye
kuzetsa: oh, really?
kuzetsa: no more litecoin? yay!!!
cazalla: but it's silver fluffypony
mircea_popescu: it's not dead just because it lost the 100:1 thing
mircea_popescu: it'll be around for years as people unwind.
fluffypony: it crashed 18%
fluffypony: after the recent decline
mircea_popescu: long way to 99.9855
fluffypony: yeah spose
mircea_popescu: actually, this suggests a bet to me.
cazalla: pretty accurate animated gif for dogecoin https://img.4plebs.org/boards/s4s/image/1385/13/1385137104421.gif
assbot: Human verification - 4plebs archive
kuzetsa: cazalla: wow, that's kinda sick O_O
kuzetsa: I didn't expect it to be a giffed doge snuff film thinger like that, whoa :(
cazalla: kuzetsa, it's just a doge
kuzetsa: I don't even like dogs, it still upset me though :(
mircea_popescu: why is the dog's tail shaking
cazalla: well, it's was dead long before the gif was made so what's it matter
cazalla: mircea_popescu, because he's happy
mircea_popescu: is this like fake dog snuff ?
cazalla: nfi, prob how koreans kill them or something
mircea_popescu: poor dog.
mircea_popescu: !up Enky
[]bot: Bet created: "LTC dead before Doge" http://bitbet.us/bet/1021/
mircea_popescu: a there we go.
xanthyos: why is the tail's dog wagging?
mircea_popescu: because it didn't read teh logs.
cazalla: loge
mircea_popescu: such no
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 62 @ 0.02523161 = 1.5644 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 21 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5299 BTC [-]
nubbins`: robin williams, hey
fluffypony: yeah sad
xmj: !up bounc
xmj: !up bounce
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hollywood Bitcoin's Best Tits SexySaffron
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hollywood Best Broker Coinbr/Jurov +1
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: f5 f5 f5 f5, romanian to english articles on trilema must be 20:1
BingoBoingo: lol yeah
BingoBoingo: But English is picking up on trilema. Maybe you have unlucky f5, though many of the Romanian articles offer decent background on things useful for understanding the English ones
cazalla: i should've kept count but i went at least 15 romanian articles before hitting an english one, just-dice martingale strategiser nightmare come to life
cazalla: and i know sign language (auslan) so none of this sole english speaker crap k
BingoBoingo: Where's this comment mircea_popescu left on Tim Swanson's blog?
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/
assbot: Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers
RagnarDanneskjol: thought it was here, maybe he took down
BingoBoingo: I'm not seeing any comments on there
RagnarDanneskjol: I kno - think he removed maybe - dood is a mealey mouthed wanker
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, what's with the ad hom attacks?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hollywood Most Mealy Mouthed Wanker of the Periphery of this Space Tim Swanson
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1762865.42 in 19 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 275.44
RagnarDanneskjol: nothing, just calling it how I see
pankkake: I'm pretty sure he submitted his thing to reddit himself
pankkake: the titles are so highly suspicious
pankkake: also, I'm fairly sure no one read his thing entirely
pankkake: this has "i want attention" all over it
RagnarDanneskjol: i did regrettably
BingoBoingo: I'll prolly read it since free pdf's == lulz fuel!!!
fluffypony: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/493811684054949889
pankkake: you had the time to read those 300 pages?!
fluffypony: assbot cut it off
RagnarDanneskjol: i read fast
fluffypony: such lol
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 222 Last Price: 222 24h-Vol: 662k High: 222 Low: 187 VWAP: 207
RagnarDanneskjol: phpceo is good stuff thanks
RagnarDanneskjol: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/433005244541177856
fluffypony: hah hah
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2cz537/this_is_going_to_be_heavily_ignored_but_this_is/cjkho3n so obvious
assbot: _nightengale_ comments on This is going to be heavily ignored but this is really important. A long well written paper about the issues with bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: lolz
BingoBoingo: Even before we get to the Content of Swanson's book.... Dude needs a fucking editor/publisher or to read the Chicago Manual of Style.
RagnarDanneskjol: yea, its rather painful
pankkake: the PDF doesn't display well on my browser, I have text on text
BingoBoingo: !up BigBitz
BigBitz: Thanks, dude.
BigBitz: That link is hilarious.
BigBitz: 280+ 'paper' on Bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: page numbering is off, the footnote links suck
BigBitz: Someone loves the sound of their own voice (writing)
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.sg.ethz.ch/media/publication_files/J._R._Soc._Interface-2014-Garcia-.pdf
RagnarDanneskjol: [PDF] The digital traces of bubbles: feedback cycles between
RagnarDanneskjol: ...between socio-economic signals in the btc community
BingoBoingo: Seriously why does everyone with a copy of MS Word and Adobe Acrobat think they can self publish, with out the skills, without the practice, to make a fucking document work!
RagnarDanneskjol: safer link: http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/suppl/2014/08/06/rsif.2014.0623.DC1.html
assbot: Data Supplement
BingoBoingo: Oh, and his footnotes have fucking broken links, because a hyperlink is an insufficient citation format for "a book" even if it is an ebook!
thestringpuller: ;;seen ben_vulpes
gribble: ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ben_vulpes> yeah.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22443 @ 0.00073737 = 16.5488 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: everyone with a copy of MS Word and Adobe Acrobat think they can self publish, with out the skills << wait till they get a hold of 'latex'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what's wrong with latex?
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: i thought it was the standard for white papers
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what's wrong with latex << nothing. but plenty wrong with idiots
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I love latex, great for documents that actually get printed
thestringpuller: i have yet to learn latex
thestringpuller: it is too hard for me
asciilifeform: there is no practical alternative to latex for mathematical typesetting (microshit is not a practical alternative to anything, ever)
BingoBoingo: Latex isn't really something the needs to be learned so much as done with a helpful companion book next to you
asciilifeform: but looks like everyone is missing the original point.
BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud
asciilifeform: presently you can do a kind of basic 'iq filter' just by, e.g. ignoring anything whatsoever distributed as an ms-word turd
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: George Gratzer's "First Steps in Latex" is the book I use
asciilifeform: but as idiots, with some struggle, learn more 'adult' systems in their effort to mimic actual people, this useful heuristic stops working
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 891
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Interac
BingoBoingo: ting with fiat institution, a guide
BingoBoingo: by Mircea Popescu,
BingoBoingo: SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering
BingoBoingo: Unregistered Securities
BingoBoingo: ,
BingoBoingo: SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering
BingoBoingo: from
BingoBoingo: MarketWatch
BingoBoingo: and
BingoBoingo: SEC Alleges
BingoBoingo: Texas Man Ran $4.5 Million Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme
BingoBoingo: from LexisNexis
The20YearIRCloud: Who was 4.5m guy?
The20YearIRCloud: Jon?
kakobrekla: how can you not know this
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: https://plus.google.com/+ColinMcMillen/posts/eFVJLCVKLdc
kakobrekla: dis a joke?
fluffypony: kakobrekla: which part?
kakobrekla: myea.
kakobrekla: >Pavol Rusnak11:50 AM+1
kakobrekla: 2
kakobrekla: 1
kakobrekla: We wanted to change the wording on box that hologram seal is an authenticity measure, not a security measure, exactly for this reason. But it was too late and quite big amount of boxes was already printed. We'll change this in a future release of box.
kakobrekla: jesus what a failpaste.
kakobrekla: we seem to be on the roll today
fluffypony: lol
assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0W21Y7T.txt )
fluffypony: !b 9 ✂︎
The20YearIRCloud: nice
RagnarDanneskjol: http://contravex.com/2014/08/12/tim-swansons-pr-challenges/
assbot: Tim Swanson’s PR Challenges | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl_
jborkl_: Thank you, remember to vote.
kakobrekla: shutup obama
pankkake: I would vote but I have no categories in mind
jborkl_: Lol
pankkake: and we might end up with many categories with one nominee only
jborkl_: That's ok, your vote you do whatever you want
jborkl_: I am having a logo made
pankkake: 1518 [freenode] ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) Information on #litecoin-assets:
pankkake: 1518 [freenode] ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) Founder : Chaang-Noi
kakobrekla: ;;seen chaang-noi
gribble: chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 19 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <Chaang-Noi> might have to sue em
kakobrekla: SUE ERYBODY
BigBitz: LOL kakobrekla.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.2762058 = 9.391 BTC [+] {7}
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1742547.71 in 8 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 271.11
BingoBoingo: !up karma
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.0007347 = 10.1389 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.2781 = 8.6211 BTC [+]
nubbins`: the thing about doing rainbow-roll t-shirts is that at the end, you've got a big mess of brown ink
nubbins`: how many browns does one shop need?
nubbins`: i should start charging a wastage premium for these
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 46 @ 0.02523161 = 1.1607 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2781 = 1.3905 BTC [+]
BigBitz: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/12/lastpass_outage/
assbot: Password manager LastPass goes titsup: Users LOCKED OUT The Register
BigBitz: such irony.
kyuupichan: lol, a few blocks to ATC diff megaramp and mysterious miner runs away
penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/12/tim-swansons-pr-challenges/
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-selects-bitgo-enterprise-manage-finances/
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Selects BitGo Enterprise to Manage Finances
pankkake: pete_dushenski: do you have caching or some sort of feed delay?
pete_dushenski: pankkake: my rss seems to be a bit fuzzy atm
pete_dushenski: as soon as i clean up the spaces on the php files, it pops out
pete_dushenski: otherwise, takes forever
pankkake: yeah also it only gives the last article
pankkake: clean the spaces?!
nubbins`: !up NormDePloome
pete_dushenski: remove the extra spaces between the lines of code
pete_dushenski: apparently this does something
pete_dushenski: and whaddya mean it only gives the last article?
pankkake: http://contravex.com/feed/ => only one article in the list
assbot: Contravex: A blog by Pete DushenskiContravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: hm ya that link is thoroughly borked.
pete_dushenski: when i click on it, it launched thunderbird lol
pankkake: that might be because it's your registered feed reader
pete_dushenski: huh ya i guess
pete_dushenski: seems odd that an email app would double as an rss feed reader
nubbins`: !up Dimsler
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2014#714813 and the next one. ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: it also does NNTP (probably always did), Chat (XMPP, IRC, ...)
RagnarDanneskjol: shouldnt it just have the domain after this: </content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss> and not the domain/subpage
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: hm myeah
kakobrekla: noone gets the joke? meh.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: too sofistikated!
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.01010101 BTC for No on "Bitcoin >= $2000 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1014/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.67723352 BTC. Current weight: 91,889.
kakobrekla: ;;google aaron swartz death
gribble: Aaron Swartz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz>; Aaron Swartz's Girlfriend Explains 'Why Aaron Died' - Mashable: <http://mashable.com/2013/02/05/aaron-swartz-girlfriend-why-he-died/>; Internet prodigy, activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/12/us/new-york-reddit-founder-suicide/>
pankkake: kakobrekla: I got the joke, but too lazy to click on the link before
kakobrekla: hehe
pankkake: RSS sucks, Atom's better
kakobrekla: perhaps, marginally.
nubbins`: mighty atom
punkman: PubSubHubbub!
BingoBoingo: F5 is the best news feed, mash it until something new
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dbn57/whats_mark_karpeles_doing_today_whats_danny/cjnziyl
assbot: cryptocyprus comments on What's Mark Karpeles doing today? What's Danny Brewster doing today?
kakobrekla: seven nekkid gals reading the news in seven different languages at the same time > F5
kakobrekla: especially if F5 is remapped to shutdown.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.27984 = 1.3992 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: pankkake: that's hilarious
BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dbn57/whats_mark_karpeles_doing_today_whats_danny/cjo0ymk
assbot: cryptocyprus comments on What's Mark Karpeles doing today? What's Danny Brewster doing today?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: F5 is remapped to the on/of function of Andreas's pacemaker
kakobrekla: one would wish.
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/marc-emery-to-speak-in-windsor-ont-today-after-leaving-u-s-prison-1.2734051
assbot: Marc Emery to speak in Windsor, Ont., today after leaving U.S. prison - Canada - CBC News
pankkake: lol really you get extradited for selling pot?
nubbins`: nope
nubbins`: you get extradited for mailing seeds, which don't contain THC, to another country
nubbins`: before this happened, the all-time harshest punishment for a canadian citizen caught selling seeds was a $200 fine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9553 @ 0.00073661 = 7.0368 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/499203821923753984
assbot: Russia say: "Why you no trust us? We wery humanitarian!" http://t.co/njozWrp3Cg
BingoBoingo: the former National Security Agency analyst and an outspoken critic of Edward Snowden, resigned Monday from his position as a professor at the US Naval War College months after a picture of his alleged penis surfaced online. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/snowden-critic-resigns-naval-war-college-over-online-penis-photo-flap/
assbot: Snowden critic resigns Naval War College after online penis photo flap | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: ALLEGED PENIS!!!
BingoBoingo: %d
pankkake: why? it's very small or something?
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1725635.23 in 2 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 267.51
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Because it is alleged
pankkake: haven't found an ATC block in months
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 250 Last Price: 220 24h-Vol: 337k High: 222 Low: 189 VWAP: 215
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well, mining is hard, but at least volume is up
pete_dushenski: pankkake: BingoBoingo this is why faces in nudie pics are so important
pete_dushenski: even better woulda been a 6-digit hash on the guy's dong
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Exactly, or if not faces sufficiently novel acts to make the nudes meritorious
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/499205651256868864 << i'll get through to rickards yet
assbot: Money's gone from /hashtag/gold?src=hash to paper to digital in 100 yrs. Each step makes it easier for government to steal. When the time comes, they will.
BingoBoingo: Oh this has been a thing since August 2nd http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/altcoin/
assbot: Altcoin (ATC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations
pankkake: oh, pretty cool
the20year: Meh
BingoBoingo: Shame the things doesn't have much in the way of history yet
pete_dushenski: gotta start somewhere
pete_dushenski: so it turns out that mr. badbios, dragos ruiu, taught at my alma mater, which is here in town
pete_dushenski: ain't that the darnedest
pankkake: http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/ hahaha he approved a comment but not mine
pankkake: that's how you spot a tiny penis
pete_dushenski: and he didn't approve my pingback!
BingoBoingo: "There was a lot of talk recently about Gavin possibly changing the protocol to increase the number of transactions per block. As this formed quite a bit of chapter 2 I was wondering if you had an thoughts on this." << ALso not a thing that changes the protocol
pete_dushenski: swansoooon!
pankkake: and I certainly wasn't inappopriate or anything
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Hit him repeatedly with this http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/29/actual-internet-etiquette-trackbacks-and-spam/
assbot: Actual Internet Etiquette: Trackbacks and Spam | Bingo Blog
pankkake: I'm torn between insulting him elsewhere and not doing anything since he just wants the attention
pete_dushenski: the only way he gets more attention is if he stays on the ground rather than 6 feet under
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that's an idea
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I mean trackbacks are pretty much the only part of the semanti web that works.
pete_dushenski: o right
pete_dushenski: agreed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0007313 = 12.5052 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 550 @ 0.0018 = 0.99 BTC
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/police-and-protestors-clash-in-a-cloud-of-tear-gas-in-f-1619914904
assbot: Police Fire Rubber Bullets and Tear Gas on Ferguson, Mo. Protestors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2797 @ 0.0007313 = 2.0454 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 560 @ 0.0018 = 1.008 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 556 @ 0.0018 = 1.0008 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7707 @ 0.00073732 = 5.6825 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00073925 = 17.4463 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 182312508.464
BingoBoingo: RIP QuickStop
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> kyuupichan the eth scammers pretty much admitted it was all wash trading in some blogpost recently << links, anyone?
artifexd: !s cryptopals
assbot: 1 results for 'cryptopals' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cryptopals
artifexd: http://cryptopals.com/ <- some nice lessons teaching how crypto works, how to attack it, and how easy it is to screw it up ☟︎
assbot: The Matasano Crypto Challenges
RobinWilliams: sup
thestringpuller: :(
RobinWilliams: 100% of people who breathe air die.
BingoBoingo: RobinWilliams: Nice DIY project. Few are so successful.
punkman: ben_vulpes: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/08/announcement-on-planned-exodus-withdrawal/
assbot: ethereum blog | Announcement on planned withdrawal from exodus
pete_dushenski: lol taleb got trolled
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/499210299711717376
assbot: What if academics followed the new model of /nfergus and /nntaleb and got paid based on /hashtag/controversy?src=hash and /hashtag/engagement?src=hash?
pankkake: that guy looks dumb. then again, I've only read his twits
pete_dushenski: pankkake: he's not dumb so much as born too late to grok the internet
fluffypony: https://twitter.com/ProfJeffJarvis/status/499205954534408192
assbot: What Kurdish fighters really need is a motivational hashtag, like /hashtag/AllIn?src=hash or nothing
fluffypony: lol
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: lmao
pete_dushenski: taleb can also be pretty emotional, lashing out on tards at the drop of a hat
fluffypony: https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/0c2adc17a0896fef419d5a4a7cb15b7c?s=96
pete_dushenski: in the real world, this is necessary and effective, online however...
punkman: pete_dushenski: I don't think younger people are that much better at troll detection
fluffypony: trustworthyness to the max
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76083848 BTC to 13`817 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
pete_dushenski: punkman: but younger people can learn
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: that man looks like a freaking genius!
punkman: fluffypony: pretty good trollface
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 500 @ 0.0018 = 0.9 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 19.06680104 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1658 satoshi per share
fluffypony: better than Danny's
punkman: save it for future photoshops
fluffypony: https://twitter.com/ProfJeffJarvis/status/499181978105970688
assbot: If the new iPad has an anti-glare screen, that's a potential gamechanger in the fight against ISIS.
fluffypony: this dude is a machine
punkman: pete_dushenski: btw Swanson has not one, not two, but three books! http://www.ofnumbers.com/the-guide/
assbot: The guide | Great Wall of Numbers
fluffypony: https://twitter.com/ProfJeffJarvis/status/498462675152936961
assbot: ISIS took a Facebook approach, starting in one place then expanding to a caliphate. Al Qaeda too unfocused.
fluffypony: ok I stop now
pete_dushenski: punkman: o i know
pete_dushenski: thought i said as much in the article?
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: never stop the lulz!
punkman: pete_dushenski: didn't see a mention of the colored coin treatise in your post
HeySteve: hi
BigBitz: Hey HeySteve.
pete_dushenski: punkman: http://contravex.com/#footnote_3_1159
assbot: Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: "le derp"
punkman: pete_dushenski: that's the china book
punkman: oh never mind, saw it now
pete_dushenski: lol finally
RobinWilliams: so apparently nicks are ban-worthy offenses in the 'ol #bitcoin-otc
RobinWilliams: i'm an envelope pusher
chetty: I thought you were a ghost
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00074146 = 17.4985 BTC [+] {2}
BigBitz: RobinWilliams have some respect, I guess? :) for the dead...
pete_dushenski: ya no hitler jokes either
BigBitz: lol
pete_dushenski: have some respek
fluffypony: do not mention ze war
RobinWilliams: obv my skin is thicker. let this serve as my message that no fucks will be given anymore
RobinWilliams: i'm done
BigBitz: RobinWilliams :)
chetty: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/08/11/study-twitter-has-potential-to-induce-psychotic-symptoms/
assbot: Study: Twitter Has Potential To ‘Induce Psychotic Symptoms’ « CBS Sacramento
HeySteve: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/08/economist-explains-7
assbot: The Economist explains: Why the price of commercial sex is falling | The Economist
pete_dushenski: i wonder how satoshi, not having been a "professional financial economist professional," would have explained cheaper sex
pete_dushenski: i'd like to think he would've been too taking advantage of the opportunities presented him
pete_dushenski: *been too busy
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2014 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00
BingoBoingo: 1.87 million diff
Apocalyptic: is this the record ?
BingoBoingo: I don't remember
BingoBoingo: Oh Apocalyptic Ever plan on changing the max order limit above 10?
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, maybe, I didn't think someone would go over that with legit orders to be honest
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I kinda keep bumping into it
pete_dushenski: http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/08/graffiti-bogot << has anyone else taken this in? it's quite something. more aware than berlin's even.
assbot: Graffiti in Bogot: Blank canvas | The Economist
kakobrekla: such limit is pointless. what is preventing me creating 1k acc and putting 10 orders up with each
kakobrekla: if you need to limit it to 10 per user your code is wrong.
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, validating 1k acc is more painfull that to just spam new orders
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Makes it hard to go deep into both bids and asks at the same time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28 = 0.56 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: validating how?
Apocalyptic: I send an activation link for every new account
kakobrekla: so?
Apocalyptic: well it would take some time to setuo
Apocalyptic: *setup
nubbins`: just finalized the text for those bitcoin posters
Apocalyptic: but I get your point
nubbins` sniffs, wipes away tear
xmj: offer number two
xmj: sent
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 2000 @ 0.0018 = 3.6 BTC
nubbins`: ;;later tell pete_dushenski i've been to berlin and la candelaria in botoga, and i agree -- bogota wins, hands-down
gribble: The operation succeeded.
HeySteve: I'm about to announce my new gambling game on the forum
HeySteve: let me know if this sounds interesting to you guys...
HeySteve: COINAN: The Wrath of BitCrom - A Blockchain-Powered Online Gamebook (with Gambling)
HeySteve: 80’s children will have fond memories of gamebooks like the Choose Your Own Adventure, Fighting Fantasy or Lone Wolf series. These books captured the essence of role-playing by granting players agency over their character within a greater narrative. Inspired by such classic interactive fiction, I’ve adapted the format to take advantage of the internet and Bitcoin, the coin of the
HeySteve: digital realm.
HeySteve: The goals are to allow real-time creative collaboration between storytellers, illustrators and readers and also to deepen the excitement of classic gamebooks by making player decisions a true gamble.
BigBitz: !down HeySteve
BigBitz: :)
ben_vulpes: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/code/6188660/bass-coast-festival-headdress-native-american
assbot: Native American Headdresses Banned at Bass Coast Festival | Billboard
HeySteve: heh
HeySteve: at least I didn't include my ascii art logo
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 315281 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1230 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24082409068.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.06204
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski when are you going to put the fro on twitter?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell ben_vulpes when will images be supported?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !up DreadKnight
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2013 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00
HeySteve: hey DreadKnight
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: not any time soon
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hm ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Was trying to present those footnotes from the failbook
mircea_popescu: so... 819 ? i dun get it.
BingoBoingo: Well, I'll open the failbook again and try to get the actual text
mircea_popescu: SemFieteewBut l.uf.en.gk.u.an.gniub.i..u.k.10@gmail.com on 2014/08/12 at 4:24 d.m. "For this specific day of the week-spun2"
BingoBoingo: A bunch of weird characters that should have been spaces were treated as line spaces
mircea_popescu: keywords2 example.com/ dlcqcafd@gmail.com on 2014/08/12 at 4:22 d.m. "Wonderful topic!…"
BingoBoingo: *line breaks
mircea_popescu: these noobs need to learn how to spam ffs.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: the footnote 891 Interacting with fiat institution, a guide by Mircea Popescu, SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered Securities, SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering from MarketWatch and SEC Alleges Texas Man Ran $4.5 Million Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme from LexisNexis
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: that can;'t be it.
mircea_popescu: i asked him if he read the 2012 canonical text on contracts.
pankkake: Apocalyptic: since X-BT is on coinmarketcap already for atc, you should have them add your ltc and nmc markets. I'd rather buy nmc from you when I need them, but there's almost no one trading
BingoBoingo: That's the trilema thing he linked in Chapter 17 of his Bitcoin book. I can dig through his other stuff, but... navigating his giant pdf's is a pain
Apocalyptic: pankkake, oh it is ? great. Then I would somehow expect them to add all the listed coins
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so basically the guy has no fucking idea of anything.
BingoBoingo: Part of the current narrative popular on social media such as Reddit and Twitter is that Bitcoin’s
BingoBoingo: cryptographic code, being nigh-unbreakable by law enforcement and other judicial authority,
BingoBoingo: will itself act as a form of “law” transcending all jurisdictions. Two notable examples being that
BingoBoingo: of Mircea Popescu of MPex who asserted Bitcoin's sovereignty in response to an SEC
BingoBoingo: investigation as well as Trendon Shavers (‘pirate40’) who was charged by the SEC for running a
BingoBoingo: $4.5 million Ponzi scheme through a firm called Bitcoin Savings & Trust.891 In fact, due to the
BingoBoingo: numerous scams and thefts that continue to occur with these types of investments, in May the
BingoBoingo: SEC issued an investor alert related to bitcoin and other virtual currencies. 892
BingoBoingo: ^ paragraph footnote comes from
mircea_popescu: mkay.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Some people should not self publish, because they can't understand "bookness" especially when it comes to presenting "bookness" electronically
nubbins`: Bitcoin ist totale kunst!
pankkake: I suspect his publishing method is just a way to avoid rebuttals
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, but those same people are too stupid to realise how stupid they are, and if someone tells them this they misrepresent it as an "ad hominem" and misconstrue it as some sort of failure of "the world"
mircea_popescu: ideally, one that needs their inept brand of "fixing"
pankkake: just don't give attention to attention whores
mircea_popescu: pankkake give the right sort of attentio.
BingoBoingo: The dude start's his page numbering from the fucking prematter right after the cover, which no.
mircea_popescu: this idiocy came to be highly regarded by parents that aren';t people, that you shouldn't give attention to kids asking for it the wrong way (usually throwing a fit). this is nonsense.
pankkake: yes, that one: http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1356190763874.png
mircea_popescu: kidsshould get NEGATIVE attention whenever they ask for it. such as a good beating.
mircea_popescu: that way you don't have the problem of snotty 5yo disrupting other people's restaurant meal. because in his reptillian 5yo brain, the risk that the whole stampede of adults beats the shit out of him if he starts screaming is quite vivid.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the presumptiousness of calling a pdf "my book" is striking.
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: a thousand times ^
pankkake: first time I've seen the word "disrupt" used in this context in months :p
mircea_popescu: especially in the face of having called a random string generator in an article you're ostensibly rebutting.
mircea_popescu: pankkake :)
mircea_popescu: !up fluffyghost
mircea_popescu: you're not mircea_popescu- are you ?
fluffyghost: tks
BigBitz: !up fluffypony
fluffypony: znc server hiccuped
dignork: SEC lulz: https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/499229578032713728
assbot: Transcripts offer window into SEC probes of financial crisis and some awkward testimony http://t.co/g0KjnK2TF0 /WSJ http://t.co/rJL4iuTqz2
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: PGP appears once, in a footnote in his second PDF, GPG appears not at all
BingoBoingo: And neither does your name
BingoBoingo: For example, since at least 1991 there has been a variety of methods for building reputation systems –
BingoBoingo: webs of trust – that incentivizes users to pay back creditors. 334 With a blockchain you can now have a
BingoBoingo: safe place to put an instrument or contract and people can digitally sign it. Since it is publicly audited,
BingoBoingo: other users can see its history and if it is reliable thus building credit scores. In turn, business
BingoBoingo: transactions based on clearly defined terms and services can be conducted on an exchange through a
BingoBoingo: form of identity management. This will completely transform how the flow of capital and investment
BingoBoingo: work and will be a godsend to the 3rd world. For instance, a person with a reliable DAO (or smart
BingoBoingo: contract) could create a monetary instrument (a cryptocoin) and lend it to anyone on the globe in the
BingoBoingo: form of a loan with specific terms and conditions. This is done in an external, tamperproof system, a
BingoBoingo: cryptoledger that is not controlled by an institution capable of abuse. As a consequence, for developing
BingoBoingo: countries, just as they leapfrogged copper wiring choosing to use wireless telephony, some may forgo
BingoBoingo: building replicas of existing financial infrastructure and instead choose to use this virtual-based system
BingoBoingo: through their mobile devices.”
BingoBoingo: ^ the "context"
mircea_popescu: yeah. i don't credit the theory he's unaffiliated. basically there's this pile of idiots who perceive as the greatest impediment towards their brand of nonsense being accepted universally
kakobrekla: maybe someone will understand http://www.radiosarajevo.ba/upload/images/FORWARDUSHA_2013/cenovnik_dizajnera.jpg
BingoBoingo: The footnote 334 PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) was released in 1991 by Phil Zimmermann, see: Cypher Wars from Wired
xmj: jesus
mircea_popescu: the fact that i was here first, and i knew they'll show up, and i took speciffic and apparently effectual measures.
mircea_popescu: c'est la vie.
xmj: BingoBoingo: can your next paste have longer linewidths please?
BingoBoingo: xmj: The would involve touching this filth moar, so I'm jsut not going to past more of it
xmj: ok
punkman: "So with Demo Day approaching, I'd like to make the following point explicit: Y Combinator has a zero tolerance policy for inappropriate sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders. Don't even think about doing it. I will find out. Y Combinator will not continue to work with you."
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: so ycombinator is finally reduced to a dating service ?
mircea_popescu: come mix your y with our founder's x-x's ?
BingoBoingo: So this thing we are trying to convince people is a "business" is so not a business that we can just turn them off if people touch genitals
mircea_popescu: pity we're not speaking romanian, ass is fund, i could have had some fun with it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo :)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the bitcoin hell, meni rosenfeld is squirming. http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/#comment-104623
assbot: MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: It's not a place that deals with business's it's fucking summer camp trying to turn a profit on macaroni crafts
mircea_popescu: provided nobody touches anyone's ass.
punkman: so what if founders wanna suck some toe, why does YC have a say?
mircea_popescu: punkman they're prolly about to turn the "women in biz" faucet way up
mircea_popescu: as someone observed, as things turn to shit women move in.
punkman: they are already doing that yeah
mircea_popescu: now who the hell said that bit about things turning to shit and female representation.
mircea_popescu: i bet it was tlp.
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/jenvalentino/status/499240776480874496
assbot: Summing up police militarization with a photo from Missouri. The camo is required because? http://t.co/Jr6atNWxjR http://t.co/IeZgZNppxl
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mircea_popescu: "so when the police approached you, why did you open fire ?" "i thought we were being invaded by aliens" "i see. fair enough. case dismissed"
BingoBoingo: I guess I'm staying out of StL proper for a while
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> "so when the police approached you, why did you open fire ?" "i thought we were being invaded by aliens" "i see. fair enough. case dismissed" << THought it was the Chicoms invading
mircea_popescu: close enough.
mircea_popescu: so in the end, ima count pete_dushenski 's summary as accurate : "Serious scholarship of a work is merited if and only if that work is itself a piece of serious scholarship."
danielpbarron: 10:19 <+kakobrekla> especially if F5 is remapped to shutdown. << one time, at a LAN party, I remapped someone's "W" key to suicide :D
mircea_popescu: Another Goldman banker told SEC officials he didn't know what he meant by an email he sent in 2006 that said underwriters and issuers would "put $ in our pockets" because "we are us."
nubbins`: WE ARE USS
nubbins`: GREAT STUFFS
mircea_popescu: totally lol.
nubbins`: IT IS OUR HAPPY
mircea_popescu: imagine these coke addled, add dyslexic monkeys shooting emails to each other at 3am off a stripper's asscrack
mircea_popescu: imagine sitting there with a windowfull and just wondering if it's fucking markov chain day.
mircea_popescu: then people want to know why the econo0my went to shit.
mircea_popescu: a) what economy ; b) wut ?
mircea_popescu: "dude, where's my economy!" "what color was it ?"
mircea_popescu: "i dunno, the color economies usually are"
mircea_popescu: "well... in the place economies usually go."
nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/1NNVPYJ
assbot: dpaste: 1NNVPYJ
nubbins`: ^ lel
mircea_popescu: lol hey nubbins` how come everyone knows she's got major beef curtains urmom ?
nubbins`: i can only imagine it's assumed based on my brash demeanor
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: that ain't scandalous, that be brash demeanor, bish!
nubbins`: i've got a feeling these "what is btc" posters are gonna be a big hit
mircea_popescu: tit gig.
nubbins`: putting finishing touches on words today, design to commence soon
mircea_popescu: cazalla: f5 f5 f5 f5, romanian to english articles on trilema must be 20:1 << lemme count for you here.
mircea_popescu: wait isn't it the design you're doing ? is this pre-design ?
nubbins`: i suppose it's all "design"
nubbins`: but i gotta know what i'm trying to say before i start illustrating it :D
nubbins`: put another way: putting finishing touches on content, graphics to commence soon
nubbins`: oh and hey, what was the hidden bounty? 0.1 or some such?
nubbins`: wait, sorry, that was thestringpuller's project
nubbins`: so many projects on the plate :S
mircea_popescu: cazalla 6781 total articles, 2567 in english. 1610 of these however are the result of me dumping the wikileaks trove back before wikileaks itself decided to publish documents (i only did stuff referring to bucharest, but it did force them to get their act together and a day later they released the cables). these don't appear in the random rotation (i imagine that's what you're doing) and so the numbers would be
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (2567-1610)/(6781-1610)*100
gribble: 18.507058596
mircea_popescu: 18% english, ~1 in 5.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: why not?
HeySteve: my project thread hasn't been mirrored on bitcointa.lk yet
mircea_popescu: what project is that ?
HeySteve: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736132.0
assbot: COINAN: The Wrath of BitCrom - Blockchain-Powered Online Gamebook with Gambling
nubbins`: bbl running to bank
mircea_popescu: haha sounds lulzy
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: if you can't write the copy that makes people click your link, why would an image change that?
mircea_popescu: Example, Coinan encounters a hostile, socialist vampire. These choices are presented:
mircea_popescu: HeySteve the tech involved seems very naive. stuff like "Red text installments will always include a password-protected file containing a description of the optimal choice. The password will be revealed in the next installment, ensuring a pre-determined answer unaffected by the value of bets placed or other factors. You’ll have to trust me not to play my own game or leak the right choice to my cronies before voting e
mircea_popescu: nds. Either that or suggest a way to make things trustless.."
mircea_popescu: who's coding it ?
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: you don't watch enough Mad Men.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27158 @ 0.00073788 = 20.0393 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: What fonts are supported?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I think the point is he wants to expose people to his logo
HeySteve: mircea_popescu it'll be all text
mircea_popescu: that much i gather.
HeySteve: although maybe later I'll have single player versions on a website, so will need a little coding there
mircea_popescu: no, you need coding to do things like distribute secrets less awkwardly than through "password protected files"
mircea_popescu: which i expect you see as hand crafted word documents by you personally.
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
mircea_popescu: how's scholarship princess ?
HeySteve: hmm well text files in RAR archives
mircea_popescu: this sort of clunk will sink what otherwise is a clever promising thing.
HeySteve: ok well I'm open to suggestions for handling that stuff more smoothly
mircea_popescu: that's common knowledge : salt and hash.
mircea_popescu: say your options are "fuck her" or "spit in her mouth"
mircea_popescu: you publish : the correct answer is ba320a34890a5cdc4f0ba0e53017d490811aad50259c1bc4214df05544f9dd2d9a6992e617d2273f79a73e6ae972a8a0c171608ae71eb5d5bd148f81f38d2e0d
mircea_popescu: then later on you say : sha512, salt "-derpysaltlalal-"
mircea_popescu: at this point anyone can verify the right answer was in fact "spit in her mouth"
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: for now, just the one displaying.
HeySteve: ah ha cool! that's better, thanks
mircea_popescu: HeySteve my point being that this is just one example. you need a coder to know the things that are obvious and well known that you don't know.
HeySteve: I can ask my developer but he's still pretty busy with "WoTcoin" alpha
mircea_popescu: ;;rated dignork
gribble: You rated user dignork on Mon May 12 10:27:20 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: he cracked my hashes!.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate dignork 2 He's a character.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user dignork has changed from 1 to 2.
BingoBoingo: More from the StL warzone http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/12/ferguson_tear_gas_video_angry_but_apparently_unarmed_residents_face_attack.html
assbot: Ferguson tear gas video: Angry, but apparently unarmed, residents face attack.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's the story with stl anyway ?
BingoBoingo: police firing tear gas at angry residents despite the fact that they're standing behind a fence on private property and are apparently unarmed:
mircea_popescu: after being abandoned by the feds during katrina they sorta created an independent state,
mircea_popescu: which is now being invaded ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Kid got shot. Was unarmed, going to college this week if he wouldn't have been shot.
BingoBoingo: Prefect storm of buzzwords to anger North Side
mircea_popescu: "got shot" as in murdered by police ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: Story is hands up surrendering with his back to the cop
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: look either you make the sell with the situation as is or you don't man
ben_vulpes: we're taking the world back to evaluation on its merits, not on its appearances.
mircea_popescu: omg stop hussling the poor guy]
mircea_popescu: can;t even have a logo no moar.
BingoBoingo: What happens when jurov and Namworld's Coinroll thing wants to keep using the graphics they've already sunk costs into?
ben_vulpes: !s sunk cost fallacy
assbot: 3 results for 'sunk cost fallacy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sunk+cost+fallacy
ben_vulpes: the mermaid?
ben_vulpes: the whole point of the mermaid is fuck a logo
mircea_popescu: well no
mircea_popescu: you can'
mircea_popescu: t fuck mermaids.
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mircea_popescu: you're thinking the inverse mermaid ?
ben_vulpes: ew
BingoBoingo: Wait Mermaids don't have cloaca
mircea_popescu: http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/081/9/6/fishcake_the_inverse_mermaid_by_capriciouscaper-d4tm6k8.jpg
mircea_popescu: mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ?
BingoBoingo: Oh, an explainer http://www.vox.com/2014/8/11/5988925/mike-brown-killing-shooting-case-ferguson-police-riots-st-louis
assbot: Outrage in Ferguson after police shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown - Vox
mircea_popescu: giving people like HeySteve all the tools they need to just make their game.
ben_vulpes: http://games.usvsth3m.com/2048/super-dickbutt-edition-5/
assbot: 2048: Super DickButt Edition
HeySteve: desert island scenario: do you choose mermaid or inverse mermaid as your only companion?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Where's this comment mircea_popescu left on Tim Swanson's blog? << it just said "how about you come to b-a" with a webirc link
princessnell: hey mircea_popescu. scholarship has given way to subversion at the moment, which is an improvement. how's bitcoin baronship?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Earlier today it was... missing
ben_vulpes: princessnell: subversion? do tell!
mircea_popescu: bitcoin baronship has given way too many bonuses at the moment which is pleasant :D
mircea_popescu: yeah ben_vulpes has a point. i think the entire appeal of the tomb raider chick was her being subversive.
jurov: lolwhat? coinroll doesn't have a mermaid
jurov: BingoBoingo what do you mean?
princessnell: well the short version is that my merry band of radicals is warring with marxist elements that have infiltrated the american libertarian movement.
HeySteve: if it comes to seriously coding up gamebooks, this project is a good example. it works for the lone wolf books: http://projectaon.org/en/Main/Books
assbot: Project Aon: Main / Books (browse)
mircea_popescu: "submitted 4 days ago by ignoreatownrisk" lol that's lulzy,
BingoBoingo: jurov: There's that coinroll ad that shows up on BitBet and othe places. Atm ben_vulpes's network would be incapable of supporting it
princessnell: is there such thing as too many bonuses btw?
mircea_popescu: princessnell ahahaha.
jurov: i was a week under the rock, what is the vulpine thing?
mircea_popescu: jurov benkay got married.
ben_vulpes: to three chicks
mircea_popescu: princessnell yes, actually. it's the problem of the privileged, they can be too privileged. it's like being too poor in reverse.
mircea_popescu: princessnell so what happens after your merry band of radicals gets defeated ?
princessnell: we aren't expecting to win. we're trying to siphon the best talent to our cause.
princessnell: which is happening so that's nice
ben_vulpes: money > no money
mircea_popescu: princessnell what i want to know is why isn't your cause using the tools of victory.
mircea_popescu: get the whole lot in the wot, start opressing the little timmys of the world.
mircea_popescu: there's no victory outside of oppressing the other side into the dirt.
princessnell: mircea_popescu that's a good idea. get some synergy going. it will take some easing into.
mircea_popescu: radicals don't get easing into.
princessnell: i'm walking a thin line as it is, trying to convert american millenial college grads into crimethinkers.
mircea_popescu: it's straight to the barbed 12 inch buttplug for them
mircea_popescu: hehe i had suspected that my and that band are tenuous.
princessnell: lol. the buttplug method can be a last resort.
mircea_popescu: lemme share a high water mark in the history of romanian cartoons
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teV8-IGhSt8
assbot: RObotzi.S01.Ep2.Defect - YouTube
mircea_popescu: the guy is saying "o pula roz din fier cu luminite" which means "a pink iron cock with blinkenlichten"
princessnell: i am a barbaric american monoglot, unfortunately :-/
HeySteve: Das machine ist fur gerfingerpoken und mittengrabben.
jurov: ben_vulpes: what is that your service everyone is talking about? i'm 10 days behind with the lawgs and your blog is dead
ben_vulpes: http://van-ads.com
ben_vulpes: jurov: ^^
ben_vulpes: has it only been ten days?
pankkake: it seems interesting for venues but not really for advertisers
ben_vulpes: interestingly enough, we're shooting for quality venues first.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/gjTummq3 for moar spamlulz
assbot: Return-path: <noreply@getmorereferrals.me> Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:4 - Pastebin.com
pankkake: and you have to buy the ads per venue?
ben_vulpes: for now.
mircea_popescu: pankkake how else ?
ben_vulpes: if you want to spend more money more quickly, i can make that happen for you.
mircea_popescu: anyway i got a meeting so bbl.
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: you're really bad at advertising. if you want text only you'd need support a inconography. The disney font is synonymous with the bran.
thestringpuller: iconography*
thestringpuller: if it's 1 font type it's not going to work long term but I guess we'll see
ben_vulpes: i was actually just pondering configuring this thing to serve ads styled to actually look good when displayed on each venue.
ben_vulpes: you see, we're recruiting the best content creators and making the advertisers suck our dicks.
ben_vulpes: stomping out this "one neat trick!" animated gif shit.
ben_vulpes: you may as well tell me that GPG logins are too hard for advertisers to grok. well, fu. learn gpg, and play nicely with the people running your ads.
thestringpuller: how so if you don't support basic news print ads? It's 2014 not 1014
ben_vulpes: there are some styling changes coming. header lines and such.
thestringpuller: Uh huh.
ben_vulpes: think adsense, not project wonderful.
thestringpuller: i'm thinking more moxie interactive
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ben_vulpes: yeah, don't do that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.29892483 = 1.7935 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: Why not? You're excluding photographic based advertisements without any real merit except that "People should be compelled to click on an ad based on text alone."
thestringpuller: which is seemingly shallow given what successful ad agencies will claim "works"
chetty: do ads 'work'??
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jurov: chetty, for coinroll they do
nubbins`: chetty, after a fashion. sometimes.
jurov: for coinbr, not so much
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 80 @ 0.01281852 = 1.0255 BTC [-] {5}
ben_vulpes: the ad advertising the right thing to the right people works
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: easier said than done
HeySteve: hmm assbot not going !down
ben_vulpes: http://www.alternet.org/drugs/tennessee-drug-tests-welfare-applicants-finds-just-1-person-using-drugs#main-content
assbot: Tennessee Drug Tests Welfare Applicants, Finds Just 1 Person Using Drugs | Alternet
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: that's not true
thestringpuller: at all
thestringpuller: There is a whole consortium of parents that keep their kids away from "real tv" so that they don't bug their parents for every new toy advertised.
jurov: um.. where did F.DERP vanish? or it still isn't trading?
ben_vulpes: jurov: i don't think it's hit the market yet.
penguirker: New blog post: http://explo.yt/post/2014/08/12/DERPs
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: sounds like the ad is advertising to the right people.
jurov: ^finally published (with ben's help) how the thing is sposed to work
thestringpuller: more that advertisements "work" if they create an impression
thestringpuller: You're going for the hershey model
thestringpuller: which may have worked in 1963
thestringpuller: but hey what do I know, not like I worked in advertising or anything :P
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: how many btc are you willing to put down to run an image ad?
thestringpuller: depends on the runtime
ben_vulpes: on top of the venue fee?
thestringpuller: and the metrics
thestringpuller: it'd be contigent
ben_vulpes: you're missing the entire point.
ben_vulpes: there are no metrics.
ben_vulpes: there is no click through rate.
ben_vulpes: there is no impression rate
ben_vulpes: there is only the venue and its audience.
thestringpuller: Yea and the venue has metrics.
thestringpuller: Of "page loads" and if my ad was displayed.
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BingoBoingo: !up thExit
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BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes thestringpuller: These are the important questions which are probably better debated now than when you throw a beta label on it
ben_vulpes: benefits of a forum
ben_vulpes: clash of ideologies
BingoBoingo: Well right now it seems to be light on the ideology and heavy on logistics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 351 @ 0.00185904 = 0.6525 BTC [-]
jurov: ben_vulpes do you have an example of an ad that is stylistically adapted to various publishers?
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/K/ou/2qqh0trU/doge.png
BingoBoingo: lolz kakobrekla
jurov: that souds good in theory, but dunno in practice
ben_vulpes: jurov: not at the moment.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/08/hammond-anarchaos-timeline.pdf
ben_vulpes: jurov: typeface would be the only knob i'd let venues twiddle.
ben_vulpes: at least right now.
mike_c: mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin?
ben_vulpes: nethack!
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Suppose the venue's perspective where it's in the venue commits space X by Y pixels already. Seems bidding from people confident in a text ad and properly sized images would, eventually be a desirable situation. I imagine for you as well since... with a 1% house edge you've eventually got to get volume.
BingoBoingo: I mean ImageMagick generates the text ads anyway
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: sorry, I don't quite understand that first line.
BingoBoingo: Ah, sat on the sentence to long. The venue want's to attract a lot of bids, and has already sunk space on the ad widget.
ben_vulpes: right
BingoBoingo: If coinroll has a square ad that works for them already...
ben_vulpes: now what if coinroll wants to run an ad on 4 different blogs
ben_vulpes: that have all picked different widgets
BingoBoingo: They've got to have appropiate sized art for each or a conversation with the blogs about standardizing on a size.
ben_vulpes: which is one of the reasons VAN's running text only right now.
ben_vulpes: and probably will for quite some time.
ben_vulpes: let me reiterate: it caters to venues, not advertisers.
thestringpuller: venues require traffic to be "catered to" vis-a-vis trilema vs. some other blog of quality that is not as established
ben_vulpes: pardon?
thestringpuller: okay for starters why cater to venues as the priority?
BingoBoingo: Well, there's got to be a contingency for the end of the month with the Trilema buy's advertised end. The buy this space graphic looks pretty good, but... I mean this could devolve into -assets bloggers just trolling each other again
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> okay for starters why cater to venues as the priority? << because catering to the masses is a losing proposition.
jborkl: i only troll others, not my fellow assets members
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell peterl nice work on http://blog.btcscoop.com/?p=6
assbot: A cat picture |
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Not all of us are so kind http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lol-cocks.png
jborkl: lol, hehe
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BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2011 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00
jurov: http://www.blockscan.com/asset.aspx 2241 assets on couterparty? lmao
assbot: Counterparty XCP Block Explorer
BingoBoingo: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007262 / 0.00073705 / 0.0007468 (582663 shares, 429.46 BTC), 7D: 0.0007262 / 0.00083405 / 0.00094217 (5165490 shares, 4,308.31 BTC), 30D: 0.0007262 / 0.00081949 / 0.00094217 (12756700 shares, 10,454.01 BTC)
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the venues arent customers. catering to a small intelligent audience and having them as your customer is not mutually exclusive
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thestringpuller: so tell me how catering to the venues which are not customers benefits the customer more?
ben_vulpes: who are the customers in this scenario?
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the people payong
thestringpuller: paying*
mike_c: you don't have to cater to the person paying. if you are providing a premium product customers will deal with the headaches. would you jump through some hoops to get an ad on www.berkshirehathaway.com? what if they said it had to be text only?
mike_c: or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint).
mike_c: or loper-os. i'd pay for that shit and say thank you for putting my text on your site.
mike_c: so really what you're saying is you don't think the venues available right now are worth the headache. which may or may not be true.
asciilifeform: mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'... ☟︎
mike_c: but, i would say you are more likely to allow a text-only ad. perhaps not.
asciilifeform: mike_c: not if the text is 'lol cockz'
mike_c: yes, well, i am not loper so i don't get to be picky :)
mike_c: i'm actually not doing it for the money. btcalpha isn't meant to be directly monetized.
asciilifeform: mike_c: must confess, i might submit to the indignity of ads on my site if it meant actual money
asciilifeform: mike_c: but who and why would spend actual money on it, is a mystery
mike_c: how much would it take? btc/month.
asciilifeform: mike_c: that's like asking 'how many btc you want for your nail clippings'
asciilifeform: mike_c: say, 10/mo. for either my nail clippings or ads on site.
mike_c: that might not be out of the question.
mike_c: retardtalk gets 50/mo
asciilifeform: lol, what do i need to smoke for this to make sense
mike_c: you're probably already smoking it. you need to have a valuable audience.
asciilifeform: retardtalk is run by expert chumpatronic engineers.
mike_c: so imagine how you could monetize an audience that is not composed of chumps. you're actually selling me here :)
mike_c: who knew ascii was expert negotiator. big "go away" sign on lawn attracts customers
asciilifeform: ever read 'scientific american' pre-'97 or so ?
asciilifeform: they had rather peculiar ad clients
mike_c: hm. don't think so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 677 @ 0.00180576 = 1.2225 BTC [-] {9}
asciilifeform: ad contents was heavily geared to the stuff aging 'imperial age' americans with intellectual inclinations might buy. primarily - whiskey.
mike_c: well it wasn't charity. it probably worked.
asciilifeform: ... it didn't work. ad revenue from the fine scotch drinkers did not suffice. magazine was: sold, dumbed down hilariously
mike_c: hm. advertising successfully is hard but not impossible. i don't take this to mean loper couldn't be monetized effectively.
asciilifeform: i'm open to it, so long as serious money and i don't have to promise any kind of detectable result to anyone.
asciilifeform: (have i turned everybody off yet?)
mike_c: nope, that's what vanads is all about. serious money is still TBD.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mike_c: but who and why would spend actual money on it, is a mystery << Pretty much all I'd spend money on is "lol, cocks" or "White Africa Future" (link to interracial gangbang) or perhaps some other mischeif...
mike_c: yes but you aren't running a consumer facing buisness.
mike_c: WoL will be an advertiser soon.
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/orangecat/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you want to pay 10/mo to display 'lol cockz in white africa' i'm game...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The point of the game is that one never knows when troll ad enters their rotation. Troll ad simply appears
BingoBoingo: Still prolly better than those glossy mining hardware things
BingoBoingo: d-dimer: Is it a clot?
BingoBoingo references of course the test for fibrin degeneration products in the blood, known as a d-dimer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25444 @ 0.00074216 = 18.8835 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: i confess i'm somewhat suspicious of anything which suggests to 'monetize' my site, which is more or less the polar inverse of 'monetizable' in the usual sense.
mike_c: well, it's the audience that is monetized.
jborkl: ok, i will report in 30 days how the orange cat article is doing, filled with keywords and nonsense
BingoBoingo: jborkl: lol you forgot to credit where petel got his idea from, and I mean so far its his only one
jborkl: let me correct that, he got it from you if I am reading that correct?
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Well, what does his post say?
jborkl: sorry I was talking to someone else here
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i'm looking for an example for a blog post. who is currently the 2nd best sports bitcoin betting site?
nubbins`: man, i went to fedex to mail some coins and i had to fill out two goddamn enormous forms
nubbins`: so nosy!
mike_c: BingoBoingo: bah, nvmnd, sorry. they all suck.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That's a good question. Prolly Cloudbet or Nitrogen sports. Maybe Anonibet? All I really do sports betting wise any more off of BitBet is penny bets on baseball and bigger bets against Serena according to the bet against Serena algorithm
mike_c: heh. i didn't see the end the other day, did venus manage to beat her?
BingoBoingo: But yeah, they all have their devoted fanbases and all offer shitty lines now.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: She played venus the other day?
nubbins`: mike_c the grue ate everyone's coin D;
mike_c: yeah, went to third set
BingoBoingo: Line must not have been good enough for me to get pinged
mike_c: nubbins`: should be havelock's tagline :)
BingoBoingo: Oh,, Venus won
mike_c: "Venus topped Serena 6-7 (2), 6-2, 6-3 on Saturday in the hard-court event for her first victory over her sister since 2009 in Dubai."
nubbins`: you know how many goddamn bitcoin i "made" and subsequently "lost" on that fuckin site?
nubbins`: it'd make ya weep
jborkl: BingoBoingo , ok i added the proper credit there
nubbins`: "People can administer this drug fairly unknowingly to someone — an unknowing person — and we've had reports in the past, not so much of ketamine, but we have had reports in the past of these typos of drugs being administered in local establishments," said Curnew.
nubbins`: ^ amazing
nubbins`: "these typos of drugs"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17756 @ 0.00074337 = 13.1993 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jborkl Lol, actual credit belongs to the cats
gribble: The operation succeeded.
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/12/filtering-noise/
ben_vulpes: "expert chumpatronic engineers" << quite.
nubbins`: "hello, i was just wondering if you have any positions available. thanks"
nubbins`: ^ second email we've gotten like this
nubbins`: ah, the earnest young
ben_vulpes: "position is work all day. pay is a bed in the corner and scraps from the table. interedast?"
ben_vulpes: ;;8ball do i risk the rain biking back to the office from this client meeting?
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
ben_vulpes: fu gribble
ben_vulpes: I'M FUCKING DOING IT
ben_vulpes: watch me get drenched
BingoBoingo: !up jdanks
BingoBoingo: !up jdanks1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 109 @ 0.01270359 = 1.3847 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 144 @ 0.01253933 = 1.8057 BTC [+] {9}
BingoBoingo: mike_c: So are you still blogging something today about how they all suck then?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes checked her out on facebook, studied "graphic design" at local college
nubbins`: no thanks
BingoBoingo: FAA now involved in StL's Gaza moment: https://twitter.com/honeynoir/status/499304482619285504
assbot: /jasiri_x FAA restricts aviation over /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash...read the reason. I found this on the Federal FAA website http://t.co/cgIGlFPWWf
nubbins`: wow.
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/499327703388930048
assbot: This /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash thing reminds me of /hashtag/Occupy?src=hash except peaceful protesters actually making /hashtag/TheMan?src=hash tremble with fear
BingoBoingo: I plan on staying on the Illinois side of the river for a while, shit is getting serious
BingoBoingo: http://www.thebaffler.com/blog/amway-journalism/
assbot: Amway Journalism | The Baffler
nubbins`: Personal Brand™
nubbins`: shoot me in the face with a gun
nubbins`: i've seen people ask for advice on how to develop their personal brand
nubbins`: they didn't capitalize it, but you can tell they were doing it in their heads when they wrote it
nubbins`: nothing reeks more of desperation
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Building a personal brand is an excellent advice but these fuckers do it all wrong. Step 1: Call People fuckers Step 2: Get drunk and Markov chain rant a bit... etc
nubbins`: step 3, join this chan and vanish into the babble ;D
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3RSAR18.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 5 ✂︎
ben_vulpes: lol ssl php ===
BingoBoingo: At least it looks like Libressl portable is making a lot of progess http://opensslrampage.org/
BingoBoingo: Even if the ssl premise is bork'd
BingoBoingo: "Remove disabled (weakened export and non-ephemeral DH) cipher suites from the cipher list. This reduces code size, saves data segment space and prevents them from being turned back on at runtime by flipping a bit in memory."
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2010 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00
BingoBoingo: Seems given these long block times... Atc is on a long walk to the next diff drop
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the twitter will get the fro when the right picture comes along :)
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: that bogotan graffiti!
mike_c: BingoBoingo: blog is more about bitcoin gambling.. perhaps focusing on WoL :)
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Cool
assbot: AdrianoOliveira +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up AdrianoOliveira
BingoBoingo: hello AdrianoOliveira
mike_c: it's getting long. perhaps i'll post as pdf and call it a book.
AdrianoOliveira: hi BingoBoingo, thanks
nubbins`: pete_dushenski +1
nubbins`: they close all the roads in dt bogota every sunday so people can ride bikes w/ their families
nubbins`: fun thing
BingoBoingo: mike_c: If you need someone to proofread your Latex file...
BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: What brings you here?
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: and there's giant outdoor dance lessons in the middle of it all
AdrianoOliveira: Im was looking for info/people trading options on btc and ended up on bitcoin-assets.com
pete_dushenski: cyclo dia
pete_dushenski: or cyclovia or something
nubbins`: yah
AdrianoOliveira: although it doesn't seem to be the right place, i came to check the channel, as i have never been in the channel before
pete_dushenski: we rented some bikes, pretty bush league things but that's what there was
nubbins`: bike is king
BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: Lurk a bit, you might learn something
pete_dushenski: $20/day and these bikes would've been left beside the dumpster in canada, untouched
BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: This is a bit trading nexus, a bit social club
pete_dushenski: AdrianoOliveira: how did you hear about b-a?
chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu3ixOdIMAAdNTM.jpg
BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: This kind of gives the gist of things http://trilema.com/2014/the-forum-and-its-implementation/
assbot: The forum and its implementation. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: Huge props to kakobrekla for making this humble channel many moons ago
nubbins`: that's expensive
AdrianoOliveira: pete_dushenski: I follow a link posted on a comment in one of the topics at bitcointalk
nubbins`: we rented rad bikes in amsterdam for i think 9 euro per day
AdrianoOliveira: pete_dushenski: one of the mpex, i think
BingoBoingo: Is there a link back to there we could follow?
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: well see amsterdam knows what to do with tourists
nubbins`: if only tourists knew what to do with bikes ;D
AdrianoOliveira: BingoBoingo: thanks for the advice, I am familiar with irc and I am usually at bitcoin-otc, just didn't know the bitcoin-assets :-)
nubbins`: but yeah, tourism in colombia is decades behind
chetty: AdrianoOliveira, its a good place to hang around and read and learn
nubbins`: you visit a picturesque small town to spend your money and have a good time and maybe bring friends with you next time
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: tis, but the customer service, particularly at the restaurants we went to, was out of this fucking world
nubbins`: you're just as likely to get robbed by a local who doesn't understand that he's shooting himself in the wallet
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 239 Last Price: 250 24h-Vol: 336k High: 250 Low: 190 VWAP: 216
pete_dushenski: it was so goddam civilized it hurt
pete_dushenski: professional wait staff like that are unknown in canada
nubbins`: yup
nubbins`: i ruptured an eardrum in colombia
pete_dushenski: fairmont or whatever, they have no idea how to make you feel like a king. they're too educated, too "i'm equal"
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: oof
nubbins`: bad eustacian tubes, wanted to scuba dive, lied on the medical questionnaire
mircea_popescu: holy logs sherlock!
nubbins`: couldn't clear left ear, popped drum while trying, ear full of seawater
nubbins`: immediate nausea
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: dig deeper, watson!
nubbins`: still went down for the second dive ;(
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin? << more like a platform, so people can make their own muds but have some basic tools (btc payments, [blockchain based] random dungeon generator etc)
mike_c: sounds interesting, but doesn't sound profitable.
mircea_popescu: more of a culture sort of thing than a business sort of thing.
mike_c: then it sounds like fun, which I don't have time for unfortunately.
BingoBoingo: %tslb
atcbot: 4 minutes and 13 seconds
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2008 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00
mircea_popescu: jus' puttin' it out there.
mike_c: i'm too busy writing my book
mircea_popescu: ahahaah
BingoBoingo: My new friend here does MUDS he could probably do Bitcoin MUDS http://imgur.com/f3WZB3R
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: mike_c paste a link to the pdf when you're done, yes?
nubbins`: also: you don't have time for fun? D:
mike_c: penguirker will find it. it's the b-a library of congress
BingoBoingo: I swear my first IRL bitcoin meetup might involve the next person who professes to have self published "The Book on Bitcoin" without the slightest familiarity with the Chicago Manual of style
BingoBoingo: And correction http://thecodelesscode.com/case/134
assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 134 Thin Ice
mircea_popescu: mike_c sexual congress i hope.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: how so if you don't support basic news print ads? It's 2014 not 1014 << you know people can just upload their jpg and be done with it if they want,.
nubbins`: what in the world is a jpg
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: That doesn't seem to be implemented yet...
nubbins`: answer: jotion picture (experts) group
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the idea being that you can dump whatever text/images you have/care to and van will sort out some kind of ad out of it.
mircea_popescu: if you just want to make specified banners, fine, do that.
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: it's a Jaguar-Panther-tiGer
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's for others. I like the "Bold Text, Bold Claims" approach to ad buying myself
pete_dushenski: sort of a mystical beast, unknown anywhere but the most remote jungles of south asia
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the notion is to leave the whole "profession" of designers without employment.
nubbins`: try hiragino kaku gothic pro bold
nubbins`: beauty of a font
mircea_popescu: because if one ca'n't get paid "designiong" ads anymore, they can't get paid designing period.
mircea_popescu: so whatever, if it's successful nubbins` will love us for it.
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: but if you;'re gonna be subversive, you gotta actually be subversive.
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: the more i work, the more i feel like the word "design" is a poor descriptor for what i do
mircea_popescu: so win-win then.
mircea_popescu: o look, btcscoop.com already live and getting accolades ?
nubbins`: i blame all the "designers"
BingoBoingo: Killing the design industries, just another Tuesday
nubbins`: someone says "yeah i'm a graphic designer", i get my list ready and ask them what their full name is
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, peterl is on that
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dude you're just not getting it.
mircea_popescu: you're supposed to call me a religious leader and complain of ad hominem
nubbins`: o o
nubbins`: i thought we were all in agreement
mircea_popescu: ;;google kalvin clein nevertheless
gribble: Escape Calvin Klein perfume - a fragrance for women 1991: <http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/Calvin-Klein/Escape-271.html>; Polo Ralph Lauren Wholesale Free Shipping, 100% Original & Easy ...: <http://www.omnibiography.com/?p=Polo+Ralph+Lauren+Wholesale>; Emerald Insight | The internationalization of the high fashion brand ...: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: Or is that someother sort of toad
mircea_popescu: it's a frog.
mircea_popescu: and google you suck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iViyKfcI1IQ
assbot: kramer at calvin klein - YouTube
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, the thing I posted today is a toad, has warts
BingoBoingo: !up AdrianoOliveira
nubbins`: hypnotoad? he's a toad
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Wait not all toads hypno?
mircea_popescu: i guess i don't know my amphibians.
asciilifeform: ;;google hypnotoad
gribble: Hypnotoad - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database: <http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Hypnotoad>; Everybody Loves Hypnotoad - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc>; r33b.net - ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!: <http://r33b.net/>
asciilifeform: ^ that one
BingoBoingo: If it was a frog that big, its legs would have been fired. Toad... not so much.
BingoBoingo: *fried
mircea_popescu: so for the ecologists still clinging on to the logs somehow : argentina heats on electricity, has no insulation and does not care.
nubbins`: take this poster, for example: http://imgur.com/LWe1Gfj
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i'm proud of it, and the bands who paid for it thought it was great
nubbins`: but did i "design" it?
mircea_popescu: i have three holes in my wall about ten square inches total, wind blows through freely. i burned > 100kwh this month so far. they dun give a shit. thsi is normal here.
nubbins`: sure, in the sense that the sanitation engineer collected my trash this morning
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ideally van will be able to do that on its own
nubbins`: sure, it's just colors and shapes
mircea_popescu: eventually. once ben_vulpes figures out the basics of how to install servers and stuff
nubbins`: computers r hard
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:clientsfromhell.com "it's easy if you know what you're doing"
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: orly.
asciilifeform 1100+ kWh (july)
nubbins`: funny, someone in -otc linked that site about 10 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: ;;seen organofcorti
gribble: organofcorti was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 8 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <organofcorti> Hey, does anyone know what the cost to reissue an expired bond is?
mircea_popescu: dude come back, we like your blog.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ac or what ?
nubbins`: i'm in a rather enviable position, in that half the people i do work for just give me full artistic liberty
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ac, waterheater, doubleconvertingups
mircea_popescu: shit. i thought i was excessive but 1mwh ?!
nubbins`: i did a run of silkscreened posters yesterday and the client saw the design for the first time when he exchanged a wad of cash for them
nubbins`: i generally try not to brag about this around people who earn a living as "graphic designers"
nubbins`: their rage scares me
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ac is ~70% of it
mircea_popescu: mike_c: or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint). << i'd rather buy, honestly.