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asciilifeform recalls the ordeal of convincing mircea_popescu that al schwartz isn't a 'timecube'
asciilifeform: incidentally, for anyone who missed, gabriel_laddel found that schwartz is not only alive but cranking out nonstop commentary re: everything, largely on some godforsaken redditron
asciilifeform: 'Anyway, it is my considered opinion (along with, I wager, most everyone else's) that positively the ONLY way that's getting show to be inconsistent is by some intoxicated kids during having sex or somesuch. Everything else was tried to death.' (from mircea_popescu's www) <<<< 'ftl drive will be discovered by an ee student on the verge of flunking, designing stero amps.' (al schwartz)
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 19:02:31; ascii_field: 'If you want to end ISIS, teach it game theory and casebooks. "They['ll] get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do," and lose.' (from the al schwartz link earlier)
ascii_field: '12 years public school, 4 years undergrad, 6 years PhD, 4 years post-doc. You are now over 30, deeply in debt, and starting life. Your idiot high school classmate who held a STOP sign at a construction site has been pulling $80K/year, has a fine home, wife, three kids, and a motor boat. His eldest son rakes in $850K/year tax-free facilitating recreational pharmaceuticals and an escort service.' << schwartz ☟︎
ascii_field: 'If you want to end ISIS, teach it game theory and casebooks. "They['ll] get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do," and lose.' (from the al schwartz link earlier) ☟︎
asciilifeform: and if it has to be blessed with the magical breath of life of intelligence every time mains power flickers, it is a proverbial 'assembly line requiring ph.d.s' to borrow from al schwartz
mircea_popescu: specifically modeled for our convenience out of al schwartz.
asciilifeform: see how it worked for schwartz
asciilifeform: (of the kind i was working on with al schwartz and others)
mircea_popescu: what, you want her to end up in aaron schwartz's cell ?
asciilifeform: williamdunne: 'first ecstacy, then laundry.' (al schwartz)
asciilifeform: al schwartz taught it to me as 'the a-students hire the b-students who hire the f-students'
ascii_lander: or was that an al schwartz piece
asciilifeform: (r) al schwartz 199somethingorother
asciilifeform: (al schwartz, incidentally, was quite fascinated with elena c. and her 'chemistry' in much the same way i am)
asciilifeform: al schwartz observed the signs in '94 up
ben_vulpes: MIT killed Schwartz.
ascii_field: the difference is, as al schwartz phrased it, 'does your assembly line require phds? if yes, your firm is doomed'
asciilifeform: someone, iirc al schwartz, described his sister as 'could suckstart a harley'
asciilifeform: 'plug the correct end of a funnel.' (TM) (al schwartz)
mircea_popescu: now on the other hand if they happened to you know, do that unspeakable crime aaron schwartz kid's guilty of...
asciilifeform: or schwartz's 'the titanic achivement of simultaneous boring -and- perverse'
asciilifeform: (al schwartz)
asciilifeform looks for al schwartz's table of plant toxins; can't find at the moment, but recalls that chickpeas were near the top for something or other
asciilifeform: state law (in more than a few states) is that, as al schwartz writes here, fines double (or in 'school zone', quadruple, etc)
ascii_field: as al schwartz put it, 'don't invest if the conveyor has to be staffed with ph.d.'s'
asciilifeform: (al schwartz linked to it at one point, long ago)
ascii_field: 'the men build, the women inhabit' - al schwartz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: schwartz summed it up as 'More Studies Needed! (tm)'
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: so wait, would visiting e.g., Schwartz qualify for "stepping into the sewer"
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: think of how you, yourself, came upon al schwartz's thing
asciilifeform: (whazzat? http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.paper.SCS.2008-4nS.petitjean.pdf << original paper, schwartz & petitjean - they co-invented it)
gabriel_laddel: (for the record, I've not run the numbers on Schwartz's experiment yet, don't know for sure yet that it is valid, but can say that yes, everything he says is falsifiable and yes, everyone who say "he is a crank" etc. is a lying scumbag for not pointing out the exact sentence where he missteps. EG: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/7757/weak-equivalence-principle-tests in which a "string theorist" knowingly
gabriel_laddel: The daughters Schwartz were walking home, and see a sign "Become Catholic, receive $50"
gabriel_laddel: On that timescale, sure. when it comes down to Schwartz and Stan having years of their lives wasted...
ascii_field: precisely. ergo, to 'respectable academia', schwartz never happened
ascii_field: al schwartz, for example,. wasn't in it
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: schwartz actually experimented with cleaning it up and submitting as proper latexed paper to journals
ascii_field: schwartz is one of my personal 'heroes'
ascii_field: i tried and tried, without success, to get schwartz in here.
assbot: 15 results for 'al schwartz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=al+schwartz
asciilifeform: !s al schwartz
mircea_popescu: saul schwartz, did a bunch of kink sets iirc
asciilifeform: but it is not the case that academia rejected schwartz without reading. they read, all right.
asciilifeform: al schwartz was rejected from, iirc, a dozen journals.
asciilifeform: aha islamic curriculum. i'm not seeing 'we'll kill adelberger & co. and force al schwartz's equivalence principle violation experiment to be carried out.'
asciilifeform: 'Hindus enjoy 36 crores of gods - that's 360 million, or more. None of them offered a Sanscrit pre-publication proof of Classical Electrodynamics by Jackson or volunteered Novocain.' -- al schwartz
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2014 02:17:56; assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 19:05:02; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is why i mentioned schwartz example.
asciilifeform: or rather, lack of experiment, because the entire sub-field formed a 'solid blue wall' against herr schwartz
asciilifeform: but the phenomenon described above is entirely the root of the al schwartz equivalence principle violation experiment
mircea_popescu: PeterL look at the discussion about al schwartz's failed measurements.
asciilifeform: al schwartz had many good elene c. stories
asciilifeform: chetty: unfortunately schwartz's original essay appears to be lost in the burned library of googlexandria - usenet archive.
asciilifeform: chetty: al schwartz had the ultimate mindfucker of an explanation:
asciilifeform: i personally know fine folks who've perelmanned. e.g., al schwartz. i miss them, but understand.
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% << I've met 8 of these surnames
mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7%
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: i've been thinking about it ever since al schwartz recommended it in '01...
asciilifeform: except for the puritanical variety, which, in al schwartz's words, 'has the unique damnation of being both perverse and boring.'
asciilifeform: http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/users/4296/uncle-al << apparently al schwartz is on 'stack exchange'...
asciilifeform: perhaps intelligent roaches or marmosets will carry out 'schwartz's' experiment after we're through.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (how to know that schwartz (or taleb, or...) collects 'prize' rather than usg stooge with a shannonizer and irc connection - exercise for alert reader.) <<< if you recall something sort-of like that was tried, except this "major prize" approach is flawed as you explain. so, better version was tried :)
asciilifeform: (how to know that schwartz (or taleb, or...) collects 'prize' rather than usg stooge with a shannonizer and irc connection - exercise for alert reader.)
asciilifeform: if i were, e.g, mircea_popescu, and gave a damn, i'd offer schwartz xxxx btc. half to show up here, half after he explains himself.
asciilifeform: this, as i understand, is why schwartz never made any attempt to raise funding
asciilifeform: understand that the effect in question, even if it turns out to work as herr schwartz predicted, doesn't yield an 'antigravity jetpack'
asciilifeform: (if schwartz were to be permitted to carry out his experiment, and obtained a positive result)
asciilifeform: schwartz is one of the very few people i know of whose problem cannot be solved with money per se.
asciilifeform: including the set that want schwartz to die in a fire
asciilifeform: if you want to know what test - bring schwartz out of his hidey hole, wherever it is, and ask him. he enjoys explaining it, me - it just depresses
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 19:05:02; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (emdrive, not schwartz)
asciilifeform: here's a recipe i shared with al schwartz once
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: (short version: adelberger tested all variants of crud, including left- and right-handed machine screws (!) and gleefully pronounced - no parity violation. refused under any pretext to test schwartz and petitjean's 'chiralane' molecule.)
asciilifeform recently tried to check on herr schwartz - he isn't answering. possibly he went 'full perelman' mode.
asciilifeform was acquainted with one such '1%' - al schwartz. who has an eminently testable hypothesis re: parity violation, and spent a decade (& counting) trying to score 2 weeks on an eotvos rotor balance. while the charlatans build their $b colliders.
asciilifeform: mocsny wasn't a god. just an apex predator in his niche. naggum, al schwartz, mocsny, 7 or 8 other people - they each had a kingdom.
asciilifeform: what really boggles my mind is all the folks (e.g. a. schwartz) who were turned loose, with the understanding that they'll report to jail at appointed hour, etc. and no radio collar, etc.; now, they probably won't be permitted in an airport, but mexico is not so far...
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: pipeline.corante.com << old favourite haunt of great master, 'uncle' al schwartz.
mircea_popescu: (for people readng at home, cbs = cauchy-buniakowski-schwartz, a major stepping stone in liniar algebra/analysis)
mircea_popescu: now to get alan schwartz to wot.
asciilifeform: got old mr. schwartz complete on 4 floppies.
dub: and re: Schwartz, go go gadget darwin
asciilifeform: VanCleef: make sure to also offer cyanide, for the Aaron Schwartz school of thought.
mircea_popescu: Arthur Britto, Stefan Thomas, and David Schwartz are major contributors to Ripple's development, and all played an active role in Bitcoin's early successes.