a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 22:21 mircea_popescu: another is that, well, its a much better way to hold real estate than anything alf came up with to date. since he's decided he's not moving because he's ax-crazy or something, this is the logical next step
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me that, as per earlier discussion re anthropology etc, "it's a religious artefact!!!" best covers most of the things you make anyway
phf owns a chukcha mouth harp, can lend asciilifeform
phf: i feel like there was a ru fad on those things, kind of like indian flutes or whatever stateside
mircea_popescu: but fwiw, they have them in the ozarks, slovakia, you name it.
phf: mircea_popescu: i think that's an american take. in 90s russia mouth harps distinctly meant "these kicks are nothing, some people out there in chuchka land or whatever have been getting some serious kicks for a while now"
phf: it was part of the whole influx of alternative knowledge that was pretty inaccessible during su (or in any case was a thing for select few), so some people got into zen, others mouth harps and muhomors
mircea_popescu: phf yeah but it's been meaning the same in au bush and ozark rural communities and etc.
mircea_popescu: and yes, "countercultural" of the 70s/80s connections, you name it.
shinohai: not i, but came in my snapshillbot feed
mircea_popescu: by now r/btc is a pretty decent inverse signal i imagine
mircea_popescu: fun fact : the poles are responsible for two out of the total of two cfit accidents since the introduction of egpws.
mircea_popescu: (the 2010 smolensk plowing experiment being preceded by a 2008 similar incident at home, which only killed a bunch of military people and resulted in five firings etc.)
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha wait, hilary is going to legalize ganja because of trump ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "people thought they were for voting for when" wtf ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 02:44 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha wait, hilary is going to legalize ganja because of trump ?
mircea_popescu: well, the more "read my lips : no new taxes" element of hussein bahamas' platform was "closing guantanamo ; getting out of iraq" etc.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "people thought they were for voting for when" wtf ? << cleaner. Choom gang was a meme from Bahamas pot smoking days
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ahahahaha wait, hilary is going to legalize ganja because of trump ? << yes
BingoBoingo: Not necessarily Trump, but the people who were supposed to split Trump's base are splitting hers
Joshua-I: mircea_popescu: a very good example of this behaviour is the construction of English gardens in the 17-19th centuries abouts when they were most popular
Joshua-I: They frequently used allusions to other works only other nobles would know
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mats: there is nothing redeeming about it
Joshua-I: Also mentionable as the comic that linked to ebbits
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo woman is crumbling ; coincidentally (of course) it all started just about when mp heard about the bullshit dem party scamcoin ideas.
deedbot: drowngodx voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Incidently if the anybody but Trump thing had worked, the FBI press conference thing would have likely been the end of her run.
BingoBoingo: nevermind that it apparently couldn't have worked this year
mircea_popescu: that poor woman. have you seen her as a young derp ? quite fuckable.
mircea_popescu: but instead of joining a master's dungeon and being a happy slave,
mircea_popescu: she had to go into "politics" and well... she sure as fuck got a heaping helping of democratic rape.
mircea_popescu: first, gotta lie about bill. now, gotta lie about a candidacy SHE DIDNT EVEN WANT.
mircea_popescu: hilary should really be a very informative example for all teenaged girls today : NOTHING slavery inflicts upon you is quite as bad as what "being a successful" mainstream derp does to you.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: One linlk in there just didn't want to archive.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-22 03:04 ben_vulpes: "we know where you live" (tm)
mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: FUcking hypocrit. Where's his back alley box?
mircea_popescu: "inarguably the most celebrated and decorated living English-language author", supposedly. a ridiculous notion.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's many dozens of ~equivalent pulp, british classically educated scribes of "nice" and correct dribblets of fiction.
mircea_popescu: he got a penis somewhere under there or is just "talkin' in general" ?
phf: "oh. my. god. you haven't heard? we're aaall hating white people right now. it's so hot. it's fresh. it's happening."
mircea_popescu: fun fact : ru sosloviye (the official social segregation in power throughout most of the period ru was worth the mention, intellectually) distinguished white and black sub classes of the cleric class.
phf: i think catholics have that one too
phf: black being the more hardcore one, i think in russia it was celibacy, and in catholicism being a member of a monk order
BingoBoingo: Anyways thinking back to the church thing, hard for tmsr to have a church without it being a proper church meaning a basement for AA, NA, etc meetings
☟︎ mircea_popescu: sure. i don't see why it wouldn't. once it gets a basement at least.
BingoBoingo: I thought there were theological problems with the thing before re: Darwin Fish
mircea_popescu: well, there's theological problems with everything. i'm for instance not terribly keen on the whole "higher power" stuff.
BingoBoingo: "of your understanding" offers a lot of freedom. Bitcoin likely qualifies as does WoT
mircea_popescu: but this is my point : there's theological problems with everything. "and often in life, just as there are problems, there are just as often solutions"
mircea_popescu: seriously, you put up a website on $1/month hosting, got some kids to pose for a picture sometime in 2010 and had the cointelegraph of whichever market run an article or two ?
mircea_popescu: iiincredibru. i have old shoes with more of an ontic claim.
mircea_popescu: it's not JUST that websites masquerading as "business" and purporting to sell for "billions" notwithstanding they wouldn't gather bids worth 80 btc in an open market a la linkedin, watsap and so on.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for each one of these, there's like a billion posturing shits ~nobody knows about carefully recorded by unemployed ditch diggers etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 13:16 BingoBoingo: Anyways thinking back to the church thing, hard for tmsr to have a church without it being a proper church meaning a basement for AA, NA, etc meetings
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so people trying to kick the habit can't come to your thing ?
danielpbarron: you kick the habit when you believe The Bible. Christ is the only cure. You do not need some other asshole's book
danielpbarron: just like i wouldn't put on a church service preaching the saving grace of the logs, I won't put on a service about how AA saves
mircea_popescu: but these are different concerns. i dunno how it runs, but i don't think there's customarily some guy in the church extolling aa is there ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: tho to be honest, my idea of a proper tmsr church would have a strip club / dungeon in the basement rather than a bunch of dudes talking.
danielpbarron: it's not unlike inviting a muslim to the church to teach islam..
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron we do invite/allow various derps to preach their derp here all the time...
danielpbarron: it may be -- I don't necessarily have a problem with cults so long as they aren't worshipping a false god
mircea_popescu: i wonder if you can have a church that worships no god at all.
☟︎ danielpbarron: that is a contradiction, at least according to the US legal definition -- a church is literally a "place of worship"
☟︎ danielpbarron: and we are all gods, so no matter who you worship..
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron well yes, but the q is whether "to worship" is necessarily transitive. is it like "i fuck", with an agent needed and implied if not given explicitly, or is it like "it rains", whereby there's no need for someone to be raining specifically, "it" does.
danielpbarron: yes I think in order to worship you need to have someone to worship
mircea_popescu: and also, can we have the holy texts written in either classical latin or greek ? that way nobody'll understand them.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron speaking of the jews, is that a false god also ?
danielpbarron: modern judaism is a false religion -- Jesus Christ is the God of the old testament
danielpbarron: you mean the old testament? same God as new testament
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i though taoism was more about worshipping all that exist. like "the universe is great, and good."
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, I thought of it like "I am the universe looking at itself from within itself"
thestringpuller: i dunno i'm not a theology expert but i'll look more into it!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i see his point, fwiw. it's very infantile "i am great!", so infantile it hasn't even reached the point of individuadion where 2yo goes "and you're not me"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck trades bitcoin on the fiat websites anyway.
thestringpuller: When I used to use coinbase it'd ask me like every month to re-verify or some-shit.
thestringpuller: But honestly, capital controls are poor money laundering deterrents. I think all it does is creates higher demand for money laundering as a service.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 12:25 mircea_popescu: "Meanwhile Tyler Gebhard (WOT:nonperson) invaded the home of a police officer in Lakeshire, an upscale suburb in south west St Louis County, Missouri." <<->>
http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-22#1106480 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no, it's the misguided belief that hassling people constantly "weeds out" fake accounts. ie, you might get your hands on ONE power bill or w/e, but not a stream of them.
mircea_popescu: also forces you to keep addresses and whatnot current so they can work their inept "big data" bullshit and randomly flag accounts because "risk factors"
mircea_popescu: in a system designed by windows heads and examined by no one ever.
mircea_popescu: of that typical "social media scientific study" flavour, "one guy shot his wife ; previously he had owned a chevy truck and he moved only to addresses with an odd street number; consequently all people who opwn a chevy truck and a history of odd street number inhabitation are suspect"
mircea_popescu: "do you live next to any suspect people ? take the survey!"
mircea_popescu: "other activities you could involve yourself into, periphrastic to the actual nonsense in question, so as to give it the appearance of substance! buy scientific study mugs! do you fucking love science ? watch the podcast blablabla blaBLA BLA BLA"
mircea_popescu: ceasslessly neverendingly like the female chorus of yore.
thestringpuller: he didn't put the total loss though just the vulnerability type form the incident
mircea_popescu is kinda too disinterested to check out github anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm being webracist. i wouldn't go to listen to a band with a myspace page either.
mircea_popescu: what's your idea of watch ? i don't think i sat through a whole tv show at any point in my lyf.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the lulziest part of it all being that the "disgraceful" history consists of ... what exactly ? teaching the various fucktards how to not injure themselves eating ?
mircea_popescu: desmond tutu was a fucking anglican bishop. what disgraceful ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how many episodes of seinfeld you got under your belt?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ridoinculous outright. but whatever, nobody cares what the maid thinks her history and contribution to the household is.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, as being a "police officer" is the one ustard nobility class they recognize, i wonder how many derps are "police officers" in name only. seems like a pretty decent deal, sign up with the pd dept, show up an hour a month or so, in exchange get weapon and shoot whoever.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i guess the drawback is you gotta paint your car like a circus act
mircea_popescu: yeah they figure amply in the "ex bf employment" on slave personal history sheets.
mircea_popescu: "i guess he wanted to be cool and tried as best he could" sorta fellows.
mats: grunts are too expensive for a lot of things
mats: well yes, if you run the math they cost more than civilian slave
mats: because billets exist
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the reason this "private security" minimum wage derp only exists in ustarded lands is quite simply that in sane societies it's essentially an invitation to violence.
mircea_popescu: kids that'd be perfectly behaved otherwise will sucker punch the runt in uniform. for THAT reason
mats: practicing small unit tactics i presume, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, the trick is that if you don't give the "legionnaire" enough amusement he won't wanna join.
mircea_popescu: exactly like late "republic" army, they petitioned successfully to have the imposition of carring the heavy helmet removed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform conscription ?! who the fuck do you know that got conscripted.
mircea_popescu: "you will sit here a year and do what we tell you or else you get shot, bitch" ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
mircea_popescu: obviously, thy misunderstand wtf is going on. white has nothing to do with it, history idem
mircea_popescu: but the loser opting out is by far the best solution, for him and for the world.
mircea_popescu: and judging by the mussolini-cuccia exchange, it's not a unique experience either.
mircea_popescu: you'll know it's not the case anymore once no one wants to as much as touch them.
mircea_popescu: you know, like no one wants to arrest 17yo female black shoplifter.
mircea_popescu: i was discussing the future propaganda not as much the actual reality underneath.
mircea_popescu: you know, when 17 yo black female is to be gangraped because "her kind" had, decades prior "won"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, all bridges worth the mention started as foot bridges
mircea_popescu: like, the bronze gate, the rickety reeds construction spanning the actual golden gate :D
mircea_popescu: speaking of lemay, prosecuting hussein bahamas for warcrimes when ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the drawback of all the "youngest blabla" is that you'll prolly live to hang. unlike 70yo hilary & friends
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, all i see is hilary duff, with a smattering of hilary hahn, whatever that is. my google ain't heard of clinton.
mircea_popescu: (seriously, woman was born in 47. she will be 70 by the time trump's inauguration rolls around. what soviets these libertards, they replicate the same system irrespective of what they say, with the same results.)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 15:50 mircea_popescu: speaking of lemay, prosecuting hussein bahamas for warcrimes when ?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: re. k, true that. and what with my home country being a usg bitch, i recall my high school's history teacher (who also was its director) being basically in love with kissinger, quoting him left and right and openly admiring him - incl. his person, i think. wonder if he still does the same. ah, good times..
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 03:45 asciilifeform: which is to say, the tokamak folks are about as interested in desktop, $1000 fusion (of ~whatever temperatures~) as the maths dept at your uni is interested in elementary proof of fermat, or the software 'industry' - in 'fits in head', etc.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-14 05:47 asciilifeform: where, for no reason that has ever been publicly explained, laser-initiated fusion is diddled
a111: Logged on 2014-07-27 19:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kissinger is in my (very extended) wot. bahamas is a libertard.
mircea_popescu: understand : the crime is never to have done so-and-so concrete item ; but to have done it WHILE DRESSED IN THE WRONG SHIRT.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: shirt matters a whole lot and not much matters besides.
mircea_popescu: what's next, you're going to petition quake maker to give you trowel and paint brush, you want to be in quake teams only to paint the walls ?
mircea_popescu: in quake, the shirt is all that matters. much like on japanese field of battle, the flag on the little bamboo stick jutting out from your belt.
mircea_popescu: for instance, my objection to the khmer rouge was their being commies, not their butchering a billion idiots per se.
mircea_popescu: the khmer blacks/green/whatever i dun have a problem with.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:05 asciilifeform: and afaik, liberasty aside, k really did create a good chunk of the 20th c. usg-branded corpse pile. what sense it even makes to discuss 'war criminals' without his picture on it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the popular portrayal of war crime isn't actually all that deep. it's simply "THE BIG THING", which is what the herd needs/wants.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he, like we, lived in a zombie wave time. you also "left more broken code than you found". so now you're a code criminal ?
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501087 << they have that. that's how you get a concealed carry permit (or just generally more gun rights) in strict jurisdictions. you donate money to some sherif in flyover states, go on the books as deputy, can now legally cary a gun in the city of new york, etc.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 15:09 mircea_popescu: for that matter, as being a "police officer" is the one ustard nobility class they recognize, i wonder how many derps are "police officers" in name only. seems like a pretty decent deal, sign up with the pd dept, show up an hour a month or so, in exchange get weapon and shoot whoever.
phf: mircea_popescu: i suspect you can get it for 30k or so, enough for "new conference room" or whatever
mircea_popescu: also, us reps/senators are shockingly cheap. most third world shitholes more expensive.
mircea_popescu: eh, you never buy all the whores. drives price up for no benefit.
mircea_popescu: let em gouge each others eyes out, is right and proper.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:15 asciilifeform: mastermind of shining victories!1111, e.g., usa in vietnam. that modern derps, incl. obummer, still struggle to equal.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:48 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501087 << they have that. that's how you get a concealed carry permit (or just generally more gun rights) in strict jurisdictions. you donate money to some sherif in flyover states, go on the books as deputy, can now legally cary a gun in the city of new york, etc.
mircea_popescu: so you're basically bringing an argument of incompetence ?
mircea_popescu: but this is an irrelevant consideration. bahamas is dumb as rocks, but will not hang for being dumb.
mircea_popescu: ftr i don't see the war crimes case against hitler either. i can see it against tony blair, or the current derp, or the german lapdog what's her name.
mircea_popescu: war crimes are the legal, legitimate behaviours of people we don't like.
mircea_popescu: WHAT they did, HOW they did it, what it came to etc don't enter into it.
mircea_popescu: lemay, since mentioned, fully understood this. iirc he made a comment that if the us lost the war, he'd have fully expected being hanged for war crimes.
phf: asciilifeform: i don't see a problem with people doing it that way. that solution came up when i was trying to figure out how to get a concealed cary in DC. but i suspect your problem is going to be not just finding everyone on the books in various smalltowns, TX, but also discovering their real current home address
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't he the guy that came up with the detente with the soviets ?
phf: asciilifeform: nah, there are options. i know security guys that have concealed caries in DC, you have to demonstrate that you've been repeatedly assaulted (or i assume if you're going through agency) that you're in immediate danger of assault, etc. a random mall derp's not going to get it, but a freelance security can
phf: well, *knew. i'm not sure how things might've changed in 10 years
mircea_popescu: i think you two gotta differentiate "gun as nobility mark" from "gun as tool of labour"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his point, that you may well obtain a courtesy earldom from minor german prince and have france court respect this stands.
phf: ok, ok, sherifs are allowed to conceal cary in DC, hence the approach above
mircea_popescu: it has happened historically. just because you're not the sort to do it doesn't mean it';s not done.
trinque: kissinger more or less did detente, also worked on opening the relationship with the chicoms
mircea_popescu: trinque i have nfi where his hatred comes from, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: oh, recall the case of the saudi that "fell" on a naked 17yo girl whose friend was spending the night ?
mircea_popescu: but talking about "got x to y", hitchens is fine example : got "atheist" to mean "idiot liberal". ffs.
mircea_popescu: and they keep doing this, too, if anyone's curtis yarvin's model, hitchens
mircea_popescu: find legitimate single issue, attach THE WHOLE RAFT of libertardism to it.
mircea_popescu: then "people" who are stupid enough to stay atomized "can pick".
mircea_popescu: "would you like to import full_libertardism() through the venue of atheism, or what exact tiny topic ?"
mircea_popescu: reminiscent of how usg.software works. "so, you want openssh and utf-fonts via which package again ?"
phf: asciilifeform: there's a wide range of socially clued people from mircea_popescu to asciilifeform. you don't have to go all maxint to assume that something will fly
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:23 asciilifeform: FUNDAMENTALLY.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501221 << the fundamental reason being, that the forest has been hunted bare, then cut down. this idealistic "i shall make physics discovery without refined tools" yields exactly sovietisms a la "aggregated water" and "Lysenko's hardy winter crops"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:29 asciilifeform: fundamental reason being, a gigantic machine employs and merit-washes 1,000,001 mediocrities
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:29 asciilifeform: which is why you can get usg or eurounion to cough up $B for a crackpot machine, but not $1M for you to sit in a chalet in the alps and schrodingerate
mircea_popescu: mno. the wet dream of every kid with a superman delusion that was recast into "science genius" rather than shed is that hey, he shall FIGHT CRIME ^H^H^H i mean DISCOVER SCIENCE.
mircea_popescu: with his underwear worn over spandex unisuit! UP UP AND AWAE!
mircea_popescu: "i need someone ELSE to GIVE me a million" is the very definition of a kid.
mircea_popescu: is your entire objection to be reduced to "for shame the eu billions went to a comission, they should have just given the moneyt directly as personal gifts to science heros"?
mircea_popescu: but that bureaucratic nonsense has nothing to do with the damned tools.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure people had to sign all sorts of spurious crap in order to give themselves a nice tan in the berylium bed.
mircea_popescu: such is life, but the berylium bed is STILL required if you're gonna use a reflector.
mircea_popescu: so let's separate the matter of the actual physical tool that is the cern cyclotron from the presumed bureaucratic nonsense built around it.
mircea_popescu: because i now suspect i was always talking of the former part and you of the latter.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental property of ... property, as a construct, is that it is ALWAYS separable from the real estate.
mircea_popescu: it's a cyclotron dude. so much a technical item as your toaster.
mircea_popescu: arguably, also "worth ~= weight in scrap" for that matter.
mircea_popescu: but we're not discussing here some sort of novel or unknown item. it's a cyclotron, like 1000s of others extant, only as large as a us state.
mircea_popescu: understandably, it cost a little more than what a us state is worth.
mircea_popescu: it is also not possible from where you sit to distinguish if your spleen is red or green in color.
mircea_popescu: kinda the fucking point of "first item of its kind" is to see what happens, neh ?
mircea_popescu: recall all the idiot "popular press" going on about how "it'll end teh world!!11" ?
mircea_popescu: there is no option here. the eu has a budget, which it has taxed. it has to be spent. if it's not spent, recession, and much like a car that has been accelerated to the point where it either continues, or crashes horribly, they have to keep going. if recession, the whole "modern democracy" nonsense comes unglued.
mircea_popescu: what will they spend on ? upkeeping roads ? "social justice" ? building really REALLY large cyclotron much better option than anything the us did with its set of printolade in the same interval.
mircea_popescu: it's really the ~equiv of space race, half century later.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying kissinger demolished nixon era politics.
mircea_popescu: gtfo. the sluts at home and the limp dicks at the bar demolished it.
mircea_popescu: what, schwartz got named in schroedinger's testament or what is it.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure for every machiavelli that did find ink and paper, a hundred didn't. this has very little to do with anything.
mircea_popescu: again and for the last time - being poor disqualifies one ~from humanity~.
mircea_popescu: want to be a person, get teh monyz first. then YOUR SON can be a person in your stead.
mircea_popescu: you don't just person because you felt persony that day.
mircea_popescu: you sex through finding a warm, wet hole to stick penis into. no, penis on its own not sufficient. no, hole by itself dun work. etc.
trinque: asciilifeform: doesn't address the "whence the damned money"
mircea_popescu: isn't this the same "color of my spleen and i can't see who landed on the moon on my own desk" argument ?
mircea_popescu: trinque the issue that people are miserable at educating their children is not really much of an excuse. stop sucking at it!
trinque: right. entirely separate consideration from whether a physicist needs fuel to do his physics
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bacon was born rich. no good ? de broglie was actually a duke. etc.
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of successful cases, not as many as one'd want, i guess, but hey.
mircea_popescu: so then it IS a parochial argument to ignorance, "but mp, i can't see my spleen!"
trinque: which is why politics in the broadest sense is a more fundamental human problem than "physics"
mircea_popescu: all the work one could do pen and paper was done by 1925/1930.
mircea_popescu: the fact remains de broglie is an instructive example. i'd imagine he'd have said something AT SOME POINT neh ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i kinda tire of this "here's random boyish nonsense i just pulled from ass, plox consider it seriously" affair. we shall resume later!
mircea_popescu: "oh, look how discrepant the data we manipulated to look exactly this way is!"
mircea_popescu: i wonder, if they continued with the same increments all the way to 100mn, would it look the same way ?
mircea_popescu: 5k, 10k, 15k, 250k and over. o look, there's more in this "250k or over" than in the average 5k increment! could it be because it contains i dunno, 111`864 increments ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the conversation flew as "alf: X NONSENSE STATEMENT!!!! PROBLEM ?" "mp: history doth not support" reiteraded numerous times. eventually it tires.
mircea_popescu: iirc came up in some discussion re why buffett wants higher taxes
mircea_popescu: anyway. dunno that the us is a significant actor in physics, or in general any science these days. they withdrew to "engineering" in the 70s, and then moved on to wtf they do now, "Social sciences", gave the engineering to the azns.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may - physics as a romantic endeavour is, and has been over.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even the first to observe this, by a good century.
mircea_popescu: just like computing in the sense of "ima hack my cpu together out of sawdust" is gone ; physics will require forevermore rather expensive tools.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact we're flat against a tall stair, and so i don't expect much either way.
mircea_popescu: (of all the perverse reasons to consider the whole adventure is a set-up, such as, look how convenient that it so happens water is a) universal solvent ; b) very high caloric capacity - life'd be not quite possible without either, nor is there good reason for them to match up, not anymore than for the euler equation at any rate : the science progression is one of the best
mircea_popescu: seriously, it "just so happened" that the next thing to discover was within reach ? EVERY time ? get fucked already.
mircea_popescu: eventually this stair that was "accidentally made" by "rocks falling" will show a step that's you know, higher than 6 inches tall.
mircea_popescu: like say 75 billion kilometers tall. random numbers, right ?
mircea_popescu: i admit to being a very short physicist, theoretical or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: none of this is interesting. unless you personally are looking for supercon, for some sort of reason, what diff does it make ?
mircea_popescu: no, no. you want to talk about neglected science being both valid and useful, there's only one way to do this : do.
mircea_popescu: this being the main problem with "idea people", theoretical physicists or otherwise. "oh, i see over the fence" "get lost"
mircea_popescu: there's more to that "adolescent business fantasy" than just that, money. there's also an "imaginary womenz and sexings" thing ; there's also a "great ideas in my great idea binder" etc.
mircea_popescu: they all without exception stem from inflated vanity, which is to say a contradiction between the individual's own sense of worth and the apparent or discerned valuation by "society", somehow defined.
mircea_popescu: this, obviously, is easy for adolescents to do. but people all ages have or can develop vanity issues.
mircea_popescu: and consequently, it becomes less a matter of "how my cryustals grow" and more a mattrer of "let's have coffee and gossip about that asshole who's the reason i can't do all the good things for humanatee".
mircea_popescu: the word doesn't exist in english, but it's a "filosofie a ratarii", a fuckup's mindset.
mircea_popescu: i am not even discussing the schwartz fellow at all, i dun really know him.
mircea_popescu: what i'm discussing is your very bizarre stance whereby "the hero is prevented from saving world by park maid".
mircea_popescu: i give ~no thought to this entire "prevented from doing", much like the typically female "you made me do" dun enter into my thoughts.
mircea_popescu: so i'm not really the right guy to ask about them things.
mircea_popescu: anyway. soviet crazies, what can i tell you, and why should i care.
mircea_popescu: looky, the question is a) entirely unrelated to the discussion and b) not substantially different from "what should the senior washington official stabbed to death have done".
mircea_popescu: alternatively, she should stop whining about being dead.
trinque imagines a rat who can smell the cheese, gets stuck in a dead end of the maze adjacent, never goes around the other way, starves.
mircea_popescu: funny, i routinely explore mazes as part of playing online games.
mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised what a coupla hours' worth of left hand rule can do to many acres worth of tight maze
trinque: asciilifeform: I'm just paraphrasing you from other threads, CPU^H^H^Hphysics might be hundreds of years from here.
trinque: yep, I'm gonna do something about that. ssh ones are a bit long.
Framedragger: trinque: re. "ssh ones are a bit long." << yeah you're right, need to shorten them..
Framedragger: and while on topic, there'll be another tarball soon asciilifeform - considerably smaller, but still > 1M
Framedragger: from rescan of ipv4, from 'untainted' ip addresses. the ">1M" is due not only to rescan itself, but also because i had excluded ipv4 ranges for hetzner which had been sending tons of abuse complaintz. i can handle those complaints now. but i had forgotten about exclusion of hetzner ssh hosts. the new tarball will fix this (it won't include any old ssh keys, only new ones).
Framedragger: (i.e. i had originally planned to re-scan those hetzner ranges and include them in the original tarball, but ended up postponing that.)
Framedragger: will be interesting to later also look how many of the originally-online nodes were down in this new rescan, and how many new ones appeared (i.e. when hetzner ranges are removed).
mircea_popescu: you prolly shoul scan reserved ranges also, if routable
mircea_popescu: seriously, olive branch ? by people who never saw an olive tree or what.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how it doesn't respect ohm's law (as restated for RED lightnings)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 02:32 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1500179 << this thing just melted my brainz. some schmuck crying because he could not become a... health inspector! and pete_dushenski advising him on how to cry less
pete_dushenski: "Before releasing the lobsters, the monks held a 20-minute ceremony with a prayer and chant to the Buddha of compassion. Dan said you don't have to have a ceremony or be a Buddhist to practice compassion to be nicer to all the living beings around you and try to think from their point of view." << be nice to the other crabs in the bucket mkay
mircea_popescu: the principal thinker from "their point of view" is the hunter.
pete_dushenski: only until they were saved by the will of buddha snackbar
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 13:43 mircea_popescu: but these are different concerns. i dunno how it runs, but i don't think there's customarily some guy in the church extolling aa is there ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: it's not JUST that websites masquerading as "business" and purporting to sell for "billions" notwithstanding they wouldn't gather bids worth 80 btc in an open market a la linkedin, watsap and so on.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 13:46 danielpbarron: that is a contradiction, at least according to the US legal definition -- a church is literally a "place of worship"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 13:50 danielpbarron: Christians are the true Jews
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: no, i caught that part. just didn't see the bearing.
pete_dushenski: us legal defination can say that all potatoes must be mashed in churches, but how would this be enforced ?
trinque: I don't see how this lock has any bearing on breaking into this house
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 13:46 mircea_popescu: i wonder if you can have a church that worships no god at all.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 15:43 asciilifeform: if it is a decorative arch, that NOBODY will ever walk on - not hard.
trinque: how's that unique; that seems to be the only road towards "actual church" that works
trinque: yeah because hard, but that's the road
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 15:21 asciilifeform: sop in ru, kr, fi, etc
pete_dushenski: actually it's semi-surprisingly there aren't any singaporeans in the wot afaik
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: polaks even gearing up atm. integrating weekender 'paratrooper' divisions into general army
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:22 asciilifeform: 'So basically the LIGO team is admitting to publishing a manipulated final result and no real exact means for anyone outside of the LIGO project to duplicate it. It also appears the team tried to bolster and perhaps even justify their reporting of this highly questionable second event by including a third one they had previously dismissed.'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:39 mircea_popescu: understand : the crime is never to have done so-and-so concrete item ; but to have done it WHILE DRESSED IN THE WRONG SHIRT.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 19:23 pete_dushenski: can worship love, neh ?
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: not like i'd expect you to agree. more just tossing around armchair analysis. at the end of the day, most men want to die in the religion of their fathers.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: moslem more likely to admit that he's a kiddie diddler like his prophet than a despicable hebe
shinohai: thx BingoBoingo i didn't think it'd make it xD
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: both changetip links point to same qntra comment
BingoBoingo: That comment is the definitive explanation of the problem
pete_dushenski: 'it is the beginning, it is the end. it is the sunrise, it is the sunset'
jurov: let's make cell powered by prayer to tmsr designated deity
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 19:26 asciilifeform: as witnessed by the half dozen perfectly-conventional protestant churches whose licenses were yanked by obummer.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 19:47 danielpbarron: plus, I'd love to see you get a muslim to say he's a jew
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 19:51 pete_dushenski: aha. 'aisha'. 9yo she was.
mircea_popescu: follow the logic : women are not allowed productive outlets. therefore, they're either supported or starve. if you don't want her to starve, you'll support her. to support her she has to live in your house, this isn't a dhl land. for a woman to live in your house, she'd better be married to you. therefore...
mircea_popescu: that said, plenty of notable people in history were born out of women that never experienced menarche. it happens.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: i see that. thus, girl's father pays ~me~ to take her off his hands
mircea_popescu: his outrage of a fucktarded friend is ok tho, what was his name
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 20:39 mircea_popescu: that said, plenty of notable people in history were born out of women that never experienced menarche. it happens.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 20:16 asciilifeform: photovoltaic wasn't bad enough re joules-to-manufacture-vs-joules-lifetime-yield ratio, let's also make fuel cell, using whole bottom half of period table
mircea_popescu: that's the important part, fucking urea solution, recast as "your pee!!!". not the rest. that.
pete_dushenski: this is, ftr, volkswagen's 'advanced' diesel cleaning tech - urea injection
mircea_popescu adds line to his absent social media profiles, "i can't be bothered to re-read this, and besides it's running on my piss anyway"
pete_dushenski: has been for ~decade. the 'non-advanced' ones w/o piss tanks in trunk were the ones that needed to cheat nox emissions standards
☟︎ pete_dushenski: had every vw been outfitted with 'the people's pee', no nox problem. the irony!
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a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 19:49 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: not like i'd expect you to agree. more just tossing around armchair analysis. at the end of the day, most men want to die in the religion of their fathers.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 20:35 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501676 << what's with all the focus on jesus with this guy anyway ? i don't recall exactly where he actually said jesus when meaning god, but in any case god is certainly fucking proud. he says so!
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: were your parents' parents atheists as well ?
danielpbarron: my dad's mom was a christian scientist and is therefor probably in hell now, her husband didn't practice anything that i'm aware of, and on my mom's side they were probably run-of-the-mill false christians of some sort, but whatever it was it didn't play a big role
trinque: "christian science" entertains the shit out of me
trinque: dares call itself that, based primarily on voodoo quackery
trinque: "hm, that word science is going places; maybe we should hitch a ride!"
danielpbarron: right, it is neither christian nor science, and it was founded by a woman
shinohai: I want a deity that's a cross between hanbot and La Santa Muerte.
☟︎ danielpbarron: well hanbot and I are the only faithful Eulorans heh heh
shinohai: I walked around in circles for 3 days in Eulora. I'm probably dead or something now
trinque: I am happy to be the God of any that require one. Please send your 10% tithe to deedbot's address.
trinque: hell I'll make it 9%, undercut those other gods
shinohai: Oh mircea_popescu is still looking for perfect death ?
danielpbarron: there can't be death before there is marriage, as we are supposed to pass on our assets to next of kin
danielpbarron: can't do that either, so far the only discovered skill in the 'faith' line is 'sacrifice'
danielpbarron: if you got stuff to give, I can douse it in wine and burn it on an altar for ya though :D
pete_dushenski: shinohai: nah they'd just blow it on catnip and balls of yarn
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 21:10 danielpbarron:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501715 << actually, from my reading of the official documentation, you can be denied simply for being "too similar" to other existing churches
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 20:46 pete_dushenski: has been for ~decade. the 'non-advanced' ones w/o piss tanks in trunk were the ones that needed to cheat nox emissions standards
trinque: this was the whole VW "scandal", that their combustion engines don't fart rainbows
trinque: they happen so often who can keep up
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Qntra just recently got a weather category and Uber driver seems to have been boring
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: looking into it, you mighta been right about the adblue scam. the 2.0l engines were the first to be called out for cheating emissions tests and they don't have the piss tanks, but the 3.0l engines were later called out and they ~did~
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps write a qntra? It's been a while.
pete_dushenski: the engines aren't quiet though. but probably the most egregious noise polluters are the bins themselves
pete_dushenski: the swinging metal half-hatches bang and clang like there's no tomorrow
pete_dushenski: then 'tesla co-founder' doesn't actually address the problem that needed addressing. i guess we should be awed and surprised.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 21:10 danielpbarron:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501715 << actually, from my reading of the official documentation, you can be denied simply for being "too similar" to other existing churches
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what do you mean "jesus is god". when did the entire son of god thing go away ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 21:23 shinohai: I want a deity that's a cross between hanbot and La Santa Muerte.
mircea_popescu: "we need prayers". you don't need fucking prayers, you need to go the fuck away already.
mircea_popescu: in all fairness the garbage service here is pretty quiet.
danielpbarron: and yeah I hate the "pray for X" only after a tragedy. All of a sudden everyone is religious when on any other day they don't give a shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, "Medea Benjamin is the co-founder of the peace group CODEPINK and the human rights organization Global Exchange. She is the author of eight books, including " bla bla ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: danielpbarron reading through that love page you linked, the guy's pretty innovative.
mircea_popescu: it's certainly replete with heresy, apostasy an' error from both catholic and orthodox povs.
danielpbarron: well he claims that the catholic church is a false one. ditto 'orthodox'
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone knows teh sweet lolz of "operation eagle claw" ? "delta force" inaugural mission into comedy golds
mircea_popescu: nah this'll have to be independent study, too thick for chat.
mats: vidya of ru Mi-35M helicopter being shot down
mats: looks like they deployed countermeasures
mircea_popescu: three shoulder fired rockets was it ? only went down once it lost the tail
mats: i think so, but i don't know a lot about aircraft
mircea_popescu: me either. i thought the actually guided rockets are laser seeking anyway.