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mircea_popescu: Subject: SIMONS_SPAM USPS - Your package is available for pickup ( Parcel 492552468475 )
mircea_popescu: dude how retarded can they get already.
mint: whats up with petamine
mircea_popescu: nothing ?
jborkl: Just say no to pedo
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/
ozbot: So who’s running the Courts circus ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i muchly advised anyone interesting in mattering in bitcoin to read that whole thing.
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mircea_popescu: let';s try again with better grammar.
mircea_popescu: i muchly advise anyone interested in mattering in bitcoin to read that whole thing.
VanCleef: i'm selling lube if anyone neeeds any for jail
asciilifeform: VanCleef: make sure to also offer cyanide, for the Aaron Schwartz school of thought.
asciilifeform: VanCleef: and 'arse safes' to secrete said cyanide in, a la Goering.
asciilifeform: fun fact: you can see Herr Goering's actual arse safe in the 'spy museum' in Wash., DC.
dub: fuck mattering, were just here to get rich from mining ponzis
dub: and re: Schwartz, go go gadget darwin
asciilifeform: dub: personally, I'd prefer the 'magic' tooth from Dune.
mircea_popescu: dub that's a point.
mircea_popescu: just building the crumb of trails for future mpoe-pr bitchslappings.
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mircea_popescu: provided of course some retard venue will still exist in the future...
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dub: how sails the forum lulzboat?
dub: I have no time for drama these days :(
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mircea_popescu: still down afaik
dub: has the patented intersango 'we'll pay you to return our data' method brought a result
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aside from historical/nostalgic concerns, what would be the purpose of having the list of judges ?
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it will come out that the judges that play ball have about an order of magnitude better chances to progress.
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mircea_popescu: whereas women that suck cock have a less than twice as better chances to progress.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like a foregone conclusion.
mircea_popescu: documentation is documentation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think of Soviet judges.
mircea_popescu: i am certainly more interested in judges being raped by the usg than in secretaries being raped by their bosses.
mircea_popescu: so correspondingly more resources should be directed to fight the former than the later, by a significant margin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure about how writing a list of modern-day Soviet (or otherwise) judges fights anything...
asciilifeform: picture a list of Mexican policemen who forgo bribes. so what.
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mircea_popescu: so you have the list.
mircea_popescu: society, at least the livable sort, is built from causes not towards effects.
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mircea_popescu: it matters not one whit what "benefit" your correct actions yield.
mircea_popescu: at any rate, as far as i know the average grad student takes a few months to gather 25 btc in living grants/we, and if literate should be able to complete the task in that time.
asciilifeform: I'm thinking also about the side-effects. Imagine printing a list of foot-dragging German judges in the '30s.
VanCleef: the pirce is now at 133.7
mircea_popescu: don't for a second imagine the bad boys don't keep that list.
mircea_popescu: they have the time and inclination to compile tax harassment programmes for charities for chrissakes.
mircea_popescu: this is merely a minute attempt to remedy an information imbalance.
asciilifeform: Don't get me wrong, I'd love to read the result
mircea_popescu: i'd love to see whether the numerous and very self-important "law blogs" get it or not and how long it takes them to.
asciilifeform: these fellows will probably end up on some dour memorial plaque somewhere, maybe glued to the wall where the firing squad stood
mircea_popescu: nobody's shooting any judges.
asciilifeform: I was thinking of the 'good ones', if that wasn't clear
asciilifeform: I'm rather pessimistic about their prospects in the far future, particularly the younger ones
asciilifeform: where did Stalin put uncooperative judges?
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asciilifeform: I don't expect to grow old myself, and I'm not even remotely a judge. Dissenting or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: listen, you take too much for granted.
mircea_popescu: stalin was a man after my own heart. you can not find someone half stalin in the entire us today.
asciilifeform: plenty of fellows with the inclinations, sans the gifts.
mircea_popescu: yeah well...
mircea_popescu: you know what, in russia cca 1930 there were a bunch of fuckwits with round glasses and a tufty chin beard.
mircea_popescu: they didn't magically become trotsky.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you remember Roland Freisler? perhaps he was the first truly modern judge.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the happy brigade has uncovered a bunch of negative reviews. seems this hilton guy is really very pro govt ?
Vexual: uncooperative lawyers dont become judges
mircea_popescu: i don't know what exactly is modern about him ? the rolls are full since at least the 1300s with the same type.
mircea_popescu: court-ier.
mircea_popescu: Vexual the strange thing is that in civil systems it's precisely the uncooperative lawyers that tend to become judges.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point. Bernard Gui & friends.
mircea_popescu: basically the kids out of law school split in three groups : those who deal well with people, and they end up lawyers. those who have daddy issues, and they become das.
mircea_popescu: finally those with neither quality. they end up judges.
asciilifeform: I'd like to point out that we do not yet know how the Levison story ends.
mircea_popescu: personally, i don't care how it ends.
mircea_popescu: the man sent the 4 point 11 pages key.
Vexual: at least we know paper wallets are safe
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mircea_popescu: if sufficiently small :D
asciilifeform: you know, if the key is genuine (no bits diddled) the inquisitor got much of what he wanted. safe to assume that every packet lavabit shat or ate in its entire life was recorded.
asciilifeform: Levison quoted a rather high cost (several $k) for changing his SSL certs, so presumably he did not do it often.
mircea_popescu: that's the other thing. what sort of braindamaged retard actually expects ssl to protect his email.
mircea_popescu: well, other than snowden
asciilifeform: that's a whole separate question
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asciilifeform: there's also the issue of people who are literate enough to have some idea of what real security is, but not literate enough to practice it.
asciilifeform: these just sit catatonically and don't do much of anything, i imagine
asciilifeform: so we're left with the snowdens and ulbrichts (who become public fools) and the rest (who are invisible.)
mircea_popescu: i still don't quite grasp this part.
asciilifeform: think 'groklaw'
mircea_popescu: so bradley manning, a total emo fuckwit, somehow managed to be a big honcho in us signals.
mircea_popescu: but hey, shit happens, right ? his co was retarded.
asciilifeform: manning was a grunt
asciilifeform: with some janitorial keys
mircea_popescu: dude, he had the stuff ? he was a big honcho.
mircea_popescu: grunts do not get access to petabytes of crap
asciilifeform: in the u.s., the way it works is that there's a 'secret' (vs. 'top', etc.) intranet
mircea_popescu: moving on : snowden defects.
mircea_popescu: apparently snowden does not know how to secure communications.
mircea_popescu: yet he has enough data to bury another petreus.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is going on over there, those people been turned to monkeys or something ?
asciilifeform: it is possible that he did know. but was forced to deal with people who don't
mircea_popescu: heh. nobody's forced.
asciilifeform: there is some record that he tried to persuade the journalists to use gpg
mircea_popescu: anyway, if this had happened in 1973 the russians would have finished all the vodka and died of split sides.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, srsly. you're a field agent and you "try to" persuade ?
mircea_popescu: in what parallel universe is this going on.
asciilifeform: point. betcha the Brits finished all the Lagavulin when Mitrokhin split with his treasure chest.
Vexual: we wouldn't have heard about it in 73
mircea_popescu: Vexual depends on your definition of we.
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Vexual: the internet et all
mircea_popescu: well obviously, as it diodn't exist in 73.
Vexual: no
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: have you considered the 'mr. s. is a disinfo agent' hypothesis?
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: he needn't be aware of the fact, either
mircea_popescu: certainly.
asciilifeform: easy to set things up so some fool walks off with 'everything he wants'
mircea_popescu: but mind you, my discussion is purely procedural.
mircea_popescu: whether he in fact is a defector or a mole, intentional or not,
mircea_popescu: the story still goes the way describe it.
mircea_popescu: in short, whether the gas station theft was genuine or staged,
mircea_popescu: the guy still can't drive.
asciilifeform: AFAIK, the only reason i have to consider the 'disinfo' hypothesis is the actual effects of the circus
mircea_popescu: what i want to know is why the us signals corps is made out of monkeys!
mircea_popescu: it's a disgrace, they'll get cut out of nato meetings at this rate
mircea_popescu: the way the french were in the 70s.
asciilifeform: the lusers driven off lavabit likely won't be using gpg, they'll be dropping plaintext (or going home and crying.)
asciilifeform: cui bono
mircea_popescu: cui bono what ?
asciilifeform: people distrusting crypto (of snake oil and genuine varieties, both)
asciilifeform: left and right
asciilifeform: who wins
mircea_popescu: stupidity and laziness need no ulterior motive.
Vexual: its a big job
mircea_popescu: this is like inquiring who wins out of the roman notion that blowjobs cause cavities.
asciilifeform: if you were the fuhrer of NSA, and your minions have not yet found a pill against rsa/etc., what would you do?
asciilifeform: there's more than one way to steer people away from modern crypto
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're probably right that this is a crackpot hypothesis, it presumes competence where, as far as we know, none is left
mircea_popescu: if i were the fuhrer of the nsa i would be putting backdoors in every single code or cypher used by the usg
mircea_popescu: and leak all the keys
mircea_popescu: all the time.
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mircea_popescu: which perhaps explains why there is no competence left in there.
mircea_popescu: they probably heard the exact same thing a thousand times so far.
asciilifeform: btw I find it interesting that the names, brief histories, and approximate purposes of the 'Suite A' ciphers (nsa proprietary) used to be on wikipedia
asciilifeform: and not one (save the ill-fated Skipjack) has ever seen the light of day
mircea_popescu: yeah they got a letter of cachet
mircea_popescu: got really excited about it all at the top cockless geek level.
asciilifeform: funny part is that every 'spam wikipedia' (clone) still has them
asciilifeform: the names/abstracts, that is, nobody save the owners have seen the algos
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: actually here's a great idea to troll wikipedia
mircea_popescu: recreate those articles lol
asciilifeform: whoah
asciilifeform: the idiot wiki-printers still have this crap
asciilifeform: http://www.amazon.co.uk/JOSEKI-cipher-Ronald-Jesse-Russell/dp/B007OVDGVS
ozbot: JOSEKI (cipher): Amazon.co.uk: Ronald Cohn Jesse Russell: Books
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asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:NSA_Suite_A_Cryptography
mircea_popescu: "It cannot be that a search warrant is "general" merely because it gives the government a tool that,
mircea_popescu: if abused Contrrary to law, could constitute a general search."
mircea_popescu: dude this is certainly a novel argument.
asciilifeform: I do wonder why anybody bothered with the 'lettre du cachet', the wiki crap was the equivalent of a winamp playlist
mircea_popescu: according to this nutjob a search is not general if it is objectively general as long as there's some sort of theoretical limitation on the generality.
asciilifeform: well yeah, he used the 'apartment house' analogy
mircea_popescu: for instance a warrant for the search of all cars in new york "to see if there's anything fishi going on" is not general as long as there;s a dept of transportation rule against people being assholes on the road.
mircea_popescu: except they're asking for copies to the front door keys, not for the front door t obe unlocked.
mircea_popescu: such despicable tactics for srsly.
asciilifeform: it reflects the actual policy of the actual rulers. no surprises here.
Vexual: and its not illegal to unlcok the door if you have the key?
mircea_popescu: dependso n how you got the key.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform finally, what i don't understand in this whole thing, is why didn't the guy just take the 5th ?
mircea_popescu: send his wife some email about how he had shoplifted or run a red light or w/e
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: IANAL, but i don't think you can do that in a civil action
mircea_popescu: after which he won't give the keys because he's concerned the govt might imprison him by using those keys to read his email.s
mircea_popescu: they are threatening criminal contempt. it's their only actual effectual means.
asciilifeform: threatening, yes, but AFAIK this was technically a civil case.
mircea_popescu: otherwise w/e, add 1k per day until you're done adding numbers.
asciilifeform: or rather, 'administrative' - sort of like traffic court
asciilifeform: if he sat around until they physically dragged him off, he might've been able to (might still, actually) end up in criminal proceedings
asciilifeform: where he might try to take the 5th
asciilifeform: might want to ask a real live lawyer about this one
mircea_popescu: itmakes little difference tho.
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mircea_popescu: 5th defense is available throughout.
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mircea_popescu: besides, there's an entire mess of civil proceedings that are still criminal for the purposes of that defense.
asciilifeform: I imagine there was a precedent where it didn't fly. That, or L and all of his predecessors had uncommonly drunken lawyers.
mircea_popescu: or pehraps a not wholly digested sense that they are interacting with their enemy
mircea_popescu: rather than with their government.
asciilifeform: the judge review site is a real gem
mircea_popescu: re-reading the transcript it sort-of makes it sound as if the fbi and the judge had prior agreement
mircea_popescu: and then in court the judge was confronted with a different request from what was agreed in advance.
mircea_popescu: pretty fucking pernicious this, the defendant doesn't get to go around and chat weith the judge off the record first, before picking one.
asciilifeform: my suspicion is that the inquisitor (the fellow who actually ran the show) - and definitely the judge - weren't really prepared for the 'we don't have a backdoor already' statement by L
mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: damn near everything has an obvious administrative backdoor by default
mircea_popescu: fucking obnoxious dude, that. hello! jim mays here with the government's latest pile of nonsense!"
asciilifeform: L's system, lame as it was for obvious reasons, was unusual in that regard.
mircea_popescu: and that binall guy is a retard.
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asciilifeform: i suspect that the screws will be tightened soon, and the rules that apply to telephone exchanges (illegal to run without user-friendly backdoor at your own expense) will be applied elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: net result, us loses the shred of internet relevance it still has
asciilifeform: for example, it now is (or soon will be, depending on what document you believe) to sell a car in the u.s. without a remote-disable radio.
mircea_popescu: i don't see why this is so hard to graps, but the sovereignity of the internet is not negotiable, it is mandatory.
mircea_popescu: yes but cars run in the us.
asciilifeform: it would be interesting to see an internet that doesn't consist mainly of u.s. telecom oligopolies.
asciilifeform: maybe time to bring back fidonet.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't mainly consist of us telecom now.
mircea_popescu: whatcher talking about.
asciilifeform: ok, replace 'us' with 'nato block'
asciilifeform: see, don't misunderstand, nato doesn't formally own all the oceanic fibers, etc. but if someone can cut your fiber and weld it back with a magic box inline, and you can't do squat about it... you don't own said fiber.
asciilifeform: even if you paid for the boat and so forth
mircea_popescu: by this aergument the russians own the intertnet.
asciilifeform: the cream of the russian navy was rusting and irradiating walrus, last i checked
asciilifeform: i don't think the ussr lived to get fiber taps right
mircea_popescu: that may or may not be. factually however, the cream of the us navy is getting boobjobs and trying to be called chelsea.
mircea_popescu: so...
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asciilifeform: i do wonder about the fellows who built 'Glomar Explorer'. all dead/senile by now?
thestringpuller: oh wow
thestringpuller: people are active
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this shit out : "Only 517 full time magistrate judges and 42 part-time magistrate judges plus some weirdo who is both magistrate judge and court clerk, as of 2009. Guess there couldn’t have been many more in 1993. So I’ll start looking for or making that list. Probably start next week because of the blogging thing."
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Rannasha: So someone just lost 7000 BTC in a single bet at 96% on JD
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jurov: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 132.76999 U.S. dollars = 97.424413 Euros
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00092478 = 2.312 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hey topace Ukyo http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ give a coin would you ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 630 @ 0.00119304 = 0.7516 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 170 @ 0.001191 = 0.2025 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 26 @ 0.96399999 = 25.064 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 28 @ 0.0082 = 0.2296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00092675 = 0.8804 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: $vwap ^oix
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 103.17256816 high: 221.93443406 low: 89.5310801 volume: 19 btc: 7.95373126 30 day: no data
mircea_popescu: the way that shit works out... 103 huh.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.99999998 = 12 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 1.083 = 4.332 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 1.11999998 = 11.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 1.14057142 = 7.984 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00944908 = 0.5197 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00948054 = 0.4551 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 300 @ 0.00611 = 1.833 BTC [+]
ColdHardMetal: MP around?
Duffer1: socialism ftw
Duffer1: nope doesn't look like he's around
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 57 @ 0.00610087 = 0.3477 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00092203 = 0.5532 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00092604 = 2.3614 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1882 @ 0.000195 = 0.367 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2760 @ 0.00092139 = 2.543 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 1447310.16542
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Current Blocks: 261668 | Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 | Next Difficulty In: 411 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 6 hours, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 185257911.629 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.48522
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 185257911.629 based on data since last change | 202183809.301 based on data for last three days
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 252 @ 0.00083807 = 0.2112 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0012 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 8 @ 0.012575 = 0.1006 BTC [-] {3}
plambert: why does campbx have a price limit of 1111.11 dollars? They don't let you put in asks for higher than that amount?
topace: plambert: a lot of exchanges have limits
plambert: it just seems like a strange number for the limit
topace: cavirtex limits the bids to 1/10th of last trade, and the asks to 10 times last trade
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 0.20025002 = 0.801 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1000 @ 0.0002183 = 0.2183 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 8490 @ 0.0012 = 10.188 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443656/Bank-error-makes-restaurant-manager-worlds-trillionaire-offered-pay-national-debt-glitch-spotted.html
kleeck: If I saw that much cash in my account I'd conver it to BTC ASAP.
mod6: lol 404!
mod6: ;;market --buy 4040404040404
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 58928.026 bitcoins, for a total of 763585337.8132 USD and take the price to 1793300000.0000. | Data vintage: 13.7287 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5225 @ 0.0002185 = 1.1417 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 123.96
mircea_popescu: mod6 i was thinking the same thing lol. account not found!
mod6: :>
mircea_popescu: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101082066
ozbot: Wall St. wonders if Obama wants a selloff
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy stuff.
kleeck: lolzylicious.
mircea_popescu: us president goes "the markets aren't paying enough attention, we are going to default!"
mircea_popescu: the markets drop less than 1 %.
mircea_popescu: i guess he's not particularly important in the us.
kleeck: He needed to get Burnanke to say it, then we'd see a sell off.
kleeck: :)
VanCleef: trying hard to troll the markets
mircea_popescu: bernanke's out anyway.
VanCleef: but the marketplace knows oh bummer is always lying so not too much damage
kleeck: The markets eat him up though. If you want to crash it, have Burnanke say something negative.
plambert: The bank, which asked their customer not to identify them, had made the error during an online banking update - I wonder which bank it was?
mircea_popescu: http://www.wcsh6.com/news/watercooler/article/258720/108/Mississippi-bank-mistake-leaves-customers-with-trillion-dollar-deposits
ozbot: Mississippi bank mistake leaves customers with trillion dollar deposits | wcsh6.com
mircea_popescu: http://5newsonline.com/2013/10/03/bank-error-sends-trillions-to-fort-smith-womans-account/
mircea_popescu: http://swtimes.com/news/bank-glitch-enters-4-trillion-fort-smith-account
ozbot: Bank Glitch Enters $4 Trillion To Fort Smith Account | The Times Record
mircea_popescu: apparently it's been all over.
kleeck: Interesting.
kleeck: So, if you have time to remove any amount of that do you get charged or does it qualify as a banking error and they eat the cost?
kleeck: (Or deoes FDIC cover it...?)
kleeck: does*
mircea_popescu: depends how able you are to retain counsel.
mircea_popescu: but in general, it's a clerical error, you owe them
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was BancorpSouth
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1530 @ 0.0002186 = 0.3345 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: hey look, NSA has been targeting tor: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-target-tor-network-739/
pizzaman1337: who knew? :P
mircea_popescu: lolk
asciilifeform: 'owns and operates' counts as 'targeting' now ?
mircea_popescu: it;s gotten to the point where pps sheets are classified top secret
mircea_popescu: they're classifying boogers and diapers next
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4664 @ 0.00087326 = 4.0729 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: anyone read the powerpoint crap yet?
asciilifeform: it reeks of disinfo
pizzaman1337: yeah
asciilifeform: no way in hell do these buggers not operate several Tb/sec worth of nodes
mircea_popescu: it's what powerpoint is made for, neh ?
pizzaman1337: Schneier: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/tor-attacks-nsa-users-online-anonymity
mircea_popescu: i'm with asciilifeform's suggestion : that pps is prima facie evidence that the nsa is in fact currently decoding ALL traffic passing through all tor nodes, linking it to originating ips and storing this mess. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly, the 'tor foundation' is a lot like the 'bitcoin foundation' but more so. they have a list of 'authority' nodes that every client prefers by default.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's quite clear that the bitcoin foundation is constructed according to a desgned specification, not unique to it.
mircea_popescu: maybe not necessarily clear to the average 27 yo muppet who thinks building php code out of stack exchange snippets makes him a businessman,
mircea_popescu: but the trained eye doth see the signs.
jcpham: php is so erreeet
jcpham: dude! it does everything
jcpham: and it's been around for ages, so you know it's secure
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with php
mircea_popescu: the dorks are the problem. php
mircea_popescu: s fine
mike_c: there are many things wrong with php
jcpham: in today's internet a preprocessor scares me
jcpham: no offense, internet
mike_c: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
ozbot: PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad
mircea_popescu: dude. it's for serving blogs and stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: would you stop torturing things.
pankkake: I'm with mike_c. PHP is a language for nihilists
zoinky: i remember this php blog post
zoinky: wish i saved the one that rebuttals it
mike_c: it is so funny though
pankkake: there is no rebutal. this is written by someone with years of experience using php
mike_c: "You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. Still serviceable though, I mean, you can hit nails with the middle of the head holding it sideways."
mircea_popescu: this arguing as to why php is not the best tool to write nuclear power plant supervision tools and spacecraft controlsoftware entirely misses the point.
mircea_popescu: php is intended to make the date show in a html page.
pankkake: no it's not. many languages can do that
pankkake: php is not more simple
mircea_popescu: i am not saying it is more simple.
kakobrekla: hey hey i use it in my nuclear power plant
pankkake: it has no special features for the web
mircea_popescu: i am not saying it does.
mike_c: pankkake is saying that it does the same thing as other languages, only worse.
deizel: is this coint ipo on picostocks for real?
mircea_popescu: only worse in ways and areas its userbase doesn't give a shit about.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1612 @ 0.0002185 = 0.3522 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: deizel nothing on picostocks ios for real.
pankkake: pretty much. and I've used it a lot - this is why I hate it
zoinky: what language would you guys suggest
mike_c: +1 for python
mircea_popescu: zoinky malbolge implemented in scheme.
zoinky: ugh
deizel: i'd like to know before putting money into a hacked exchange written in cakephp that doesn't even have the securitycomponent enabled on the login screen
mircea_popescu: deizel it's a scam since day one, this is well known, not much to see hiar.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5000 @ 0.0002 = 1 BTC [-]
zoinky: i use php and nodejs in pretty much all my projects, im a huge fan of laravel
zoinky: silence o_O
kakobrekla: *tumbleweed*
kakobrekla: as i said, my nuclear power plant works fine on php.
mircea_popescu: lol
KRS1: heh
mike_c: while pondering the calm, go buy my piddling few ATM options: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=O.USD.C125T
zoinky: bitcoin is coded in php, no?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: zoinky no, bitcoin is coded in c
KRS1: Why can't infrastructure managers use dedicated lines? Are they that keen on saving money that high risk infrastructure be connected to public networks?
mircea_popescu: KRS1 public infrastructure is actually safer in principle.
VanCleef: is php a scam?
KRS1: I disagree..that couldn't possibly be the case.
mircea_popescu: KRS1 you secure your communication, not your channel.
mircea_popescu: similarly, when you get married you're well advised to marry women you can trust
mircea_popescu: rather than spend a lot on making the windows impenetrable and the doors unopenable.
afrotec: but that's more fun
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
pankkake: married women doors are usually hard to penetrate
mircea_popescu: not as hard as you'd think.
pankkake: well, unless you're not the husband of course
Kushedout: Anyone know what this is all about? https://picostocks.com/stocks/view/31 cause it doesn't look legit http://i.imgur.com/ZMf6Lvt.png
mircea_popescu: Kushedout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/#340074
mike_c: picostocks is the php of btc exchanges.
Kushedout: There is nothing in the logs besides someone asking the same question and you bashing.
jcpham: "picostocks is a scam"
jcpham: that's what i gleaned
jcpham: unsure if true or not, but apparently the IPO is fraud
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3757 @ 0.0002199 = 0.8262 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i'm not "bashing", newb.
mircea_popescu: jcpham they had the 100th scam ipo and a bunch of others. par for the course.
kakobrekla: for various amounts of scam
jcpham: i thought all the ipo's were scams
jcpham: does the asset exchange really make it less or more of a scam
mircea_popescu: some websites masquerading as exchanges specialise in listing scams/
mircea_popescu: picostocks thing is such a website masquerading as an exchange.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.00022 = 0.44 BTC [+]
jcpham: that's right buy all that labcoin
LorenzoMoney: is labcoin a scam or what?
LorenzoMoney: does ANYONE know the real story?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.405 = 0.81 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.14299991 BTC [-]
pankkake: doesn't matter. even if everything labcoin says is true it is still a scam
mircea_popescu: this real story bs.
kakobrekla: amazing company is what it is.
mircea_popescu: what's the "real story" ? the movie of how some boy in ghana couldn't afford to buy his sweetheart shoes so he hatched a plan to build an internet paper empire ?
kakobrekla: so if slovenia means somalia ghana means italy?!
mircea_popescu: lol got me there.
mircea_popescu: i guess this is correct.
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone saw the news item about the boatload of african refugees trying to get to europe that had no cellphones and since the boat was leaking
mircea_popescu: they started a fire to get people's attention
mircea_popescu: which burned their tub do the ground err... not to the ground really. to sea level.
pankkake: lol that was why?
mircea_popescu: The disaster occurred when the boat's motor stopped working and the vessel began to take on water, Italian Interior Minister Angelino Alfano said.
mircea_popescu: People on board burned a sheet to attract the attention of rescuers, starting a fire on board.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 790 @ 0.000226 = 0.1785 BTC [+]
pankkake: the real question is why would somalians want to go to italy
mircea_popescu: because welfare state.
pankkake: of one of the most broke eu countries
mircea_popescu: i suspect broke means different things in different places.
pankkake: but I get it - there are a lot of myths of money growing on trees
mircea_popescu: besides, from italy they can get to monaco
pankkake: so we get migrants who go to France to get all that free money
asciilifeform: afaik once you're in the eu, you can wander off to some other eu country
pankkake: turns out, there is no such free money
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: pankkake at least there's free cheese.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00086947 = 1.9998 BTC [-]
skinnkavaj: Is labcoin scam or not?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.0029 = 0.435 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: skinnkavaj http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/#340125
kakobrekla: follow that link on the end!
skinnkavaj: kakobrekla: oh wow thanks im on tv
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: is this the result of the forum croaking ?
kakobrekla: dunno
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, how come there's not a half dozen bitcoin busionessmen starting their own retardstalk ?
kakobrekla: maybe 5 or 10 users more here than regularly
mircea_popescu: where have all the jesuses gone ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/8zrBQqs7waA
ozbot: Marlene Dietrich - Where have all the flowers gone? - YouTube
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1657 @ 0.000226 = 0.3745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1114 @ 0.00023409 = 0.2608 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00949799 = 0.5034 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: every time I see a + on labcoin… http://totoz.eu/img/flu12345678
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 14 @ 0.009498 = 0.133 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 486 @ 0.0052 = 2.5272 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 16820 @ 0.00025576 = 4.3019 BTC [+] {12}
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> and incidentally, how come there's not a half dozen bitcoin busionessmen starting their own retardstalk ? <<<< I was pondering this while on the shitter this morning
pankkake: assbot: now you're just trying to get me mad
ThickAsThieves: great time for someone to dethrone btctalk
mircea_popescu: ideally multiple someones.
pankkake: why would you want to create another forum?
jcpham: rumor is eligius is working on a new forum
mircea_popescu: afaik that's theymos' idea anyway
jcpham: i told them i'd moderate if it doesn't suck
jcpham: the new forum that is
pankkake: moderators suck
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3317 @ 0.00087238 = 2.8937 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 169 @ 0.00511927 = 0.8652 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: and most forum software suck
jcpham: fisrt ban goes to pankkake
ThickAsThieves: everyone sucks in a forum
pankkake: jcpham: yay
jcpham: lolololo
jcpham: i support pre-banning
pankkake: there's a forum I've been on for 10+ years, I think I have been banned for 3 of those years
Doctor_Andonuts: ThickAsThieves: have you done all the btct -> other exhchange transfers? I know your busy, just curious
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 670 @ 0.0002648 = 0.1774 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Doc, I just got home from 2 weeks of travelling
ThickAsThieves: you'll know when they are done
ThickAsThieves: i promise i won't keep it a secret ;)
Doctor_Andonuts: Awesome, not complaining at all. Just want to make sure I wasnt missed or if I messed something up =D
kleeck: How was Cyprus?
ThickAsThieves: basically it will be the bulk of my time for the next few days
ThickAsThieves: Cyprus was great
kakobrekla: jcpham some religious pricks forum eh?
kakobrekla: i wouldnt hang out with child molesters
ThickAsThieves: got to participate in a few days of meetings between Neo and partners, etc
ThickAsThieves: got to see the offices and storefront
ThickAsThieves: Cyprus itself was surprisingly dry
kleeck: Awesome! How's it look?
ThickAsThieves: the office look great
kleeck: (NeoBee)
ThickAsThieves: it's all nnew build
ThickAsThieves: very modern
ThickAsThieves: much bigger space than comes across in the photos
Doctor_Andonuts: Thats sweet
assbot: [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 19 @ 0.00827889 = 0.1573 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: in re: bitcointalk, there is already https://www.bitcoinforum.com/ and i'm using it for coinbr support for quite some time
jurov: now if everyone stopped ignoring its existence...
pankkake: but why would we use that forum?
mircea_popescu: jurov who's running it ?
mircea_popescu: omfg all the icons and shit.
mircea_popescu: this forum is giving me dyslexia.
pankkake: you can sign up with your "social media account", yay
jurov: i did not research their backgroud... even if it's UC, i don't care
jurov: dude was nice, made me subforum with admin access and that's all i needed
mircea_popescu: well here's to hoping there'll be a bunch of these and that's tyhat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00087238 = 0.9596 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: lol giving you dyslexia
lewicki: free muay thai skin for lol for anyone that's interested:
lewicki: http://na.alienwarearena.com/giveaways/muay-thai-lee-sin-groups-giveaway
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt mind if the concept of the "official forum thread" went away
kleeck: nice lewicki - love me some jungle Lee Sin.
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, nor would I
jurov: and re the trillionaire, mpex made me temporarily rich to some 10^20 magnitude.. no bank can come close
jurov: banks dont use bigints
asciilifeform: jurov: judging by the 'trillionaire' snafu, they still use BCD.
pankkake: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/video/amd-puts-r9-290x-pre-orders-live-asks-for-200-deposit/ litecoin mining has its preorders too!
ozbot: AMD Puts R9-290X Pre-Orders Live; Asks for $200 Deposit | Hardware Canucks
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's a liability anyway, all the scammers paying you five btc or w/e to have the airs of respectability... not so good.
mircea_popescu: classical math problem :
mircea_popescu: "Triginta tibi sunt pueri totidemque puellae: Una est nec surgit mentula. Quid facies?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36000001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking, "you've got thirty boys and that many girls. you've got one cock and it won't stand up. what to do ?"
jurov: have its connection reset by peer?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00087238 = 0.2617 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 89.5310801 / 103.17256816 / 221.93443406 (19 shares, 7.95 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.01428571 = 7.1 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.14299991 BTC [-]
jurov: https://bitcoinera.net/ 6% monthly interest.. who is this?
ozbot: Bitcoin Wallet | Online Bitcoin Wallet & Investing in Bitcoin - 6% monthly on your bitcoin deposits
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.0275 = 2.055 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: proudly writte in PHP
pankkake: proudly, really? :/
jurov: Contact Person: Christoph Zeras
jurov: Address:444 Brickell Ave Miami Florida
mircea_popescu: Regretfully written in PHP
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00858109 = 0.3947 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: phone's there. too
mircea_popescu: "We express our condoleances to ourselves for having made this website."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00851046 = 0.8851 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: "6% monthly", "low risk"
jurov: Of course bitcoinera.net also offers industry standard security, SSL certificates, AES hard disk encryption, hashed passwords, offline cold storage and transaction PINs which makes it one of the most secure online bitcoin wallets available.
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, for all the roiling against php i can't believe nobody's saying anything about ubuntu's gedit.
jurov: "industry standard" we know so well what's bitcoin industry standard
mircea_popescu: i do not think i have seen a more braindamaged piece of software since the days of windows 3.1
jurov: you can avoid it unlike php
mircea_popescu: ;;google bitdaytrade industry standard
gribble: Alberto Armandi - Hong Kong | LinkedIn: <http://hk.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Alberto/Armandi>; Bitcoin Websites - Google Drive - Google Docs: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pFHJ34pZ_5Umfmlk_eAIcBSscSAA-3xd6qWYzeEYhec/edit>
mircea_popescu: jurov i thought people objected at other people using it.
kakobrekla: AA's reality is distorted
mircea_popescu: somewha
mircea_popescu: t
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 23 @ 0.36000001 = 8.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.09 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 39 @ 0.14299991 = 5.577 BTC [-]
KRS1: damn pigeons
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 103 @ 0.08479912 = 8.7343 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: I wouldn't trust it, it does not have "Protected against SQL injections by escaping all possible user input" in its serucity measures
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 15 @ 0.08499 = 1.2749 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5733 @ 0.00087182 = 4.9981 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: 6% a month, new PIBOR rate
mircea_popescu: pewpewbor
thestringpuller: lol isn't mpex.co written in php?
thestringpuller: buildin' tables with echo statements mr. popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00086492 = 2.638 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: malboge
asciilifeform: befunge.
mircea_popescu: is that stack based malboge ?
asciilifeform: 2d grid instead of linear flow.
asciilifeform: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge
ozbot: Befunge - Esolang
mircea_popescu: o
thestringpuller: Malbolge was so difficult to understand when it arrived that it took two years for the first Malbolge program to appear. The first Malbolge program was not written by a human being, it was generated by a beam search algorithm designed by Andrew Cooke and implemented in Lisp.[1]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 113 @ 0.0082 = 0.9266 BTC [-]
jurov: lol but having useful code written in malbolge... maybe it could be treated as black box then
jurov: but perhaps imprisonment and torture of phd students must me involved
mircea_popescu: jurov or the fbi could ask for the keys.
jurov: what keys? when the programmers will get insane, not even fbi will get keys
jurov: but maybe they'll waterboard knuth in turn...
jurov: or hire reiser
ieatcows: just saw this update if anyone is an ADDICTION holder. --- Some good news at last! As we speak, 9 miners are on their way to our datacenter. Since we don't trust UPS ;) (and UPS does not deliver on the weekends) we are picking them up ourselves :) We picked them up this afternoon so they should arrive in the morning (European time) where we will have them hashing asap!
jurov: ieatcows: how many ths?
ieatcows: the summary says 4.2 TH but I'm not sure if they factored in the fact that the KNC miners do more than 500 GH since they wrote the summary
pankkake: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 261707 | Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 | Next Difficulty In: 372 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 184991384.841 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.30613
mircea_popescu: so there's a new mpex asset : http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.NSA ☟︎
pankkake: next 2 weeks: 5 min blocks?
pankkake: lol NSA
asciilifeform: whee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00852001 = 0.2897 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i plan to make a post tomorrow detailing what the plan is,
mircea_popescu: but if anyone has questions good idea to ask anyway.
pankkake: so, what is this thing?
jcpham: fuck that i'm not beggin for an explanation
mircea_popescu: pankkake a manufacturer of crypto items
pankkake: could you be more vague?
kakobrekla: he can.
pankkake: I have no doubts
mircea_popescu: yeah but it'd take straining
pankkake: anyway, we know all that is needed is a name and a logo
mircea_popescu: it's what it is tho, make integrated hardware-and-software products that make absolute guarantees
mircea_popescu: such as, "as long as you use gizmo X, there is no way for anyone to listen in to your coversation. no matter what."
mircea_popescu: or "as long as you use gizmo Y, your data will be absolutely destroyed if you fart. no exceptions."
jcpham: not sure if to laugh or cry
pankkake: so things that free software can do better anyway?
mircea_popescu: this would include hardware and software, for one.
mircea_popescu: and for the other, take lavabit as a convenient example. the theoretical privacy offered by the service depended on a godaddy ssl cert and the owner's resistance to fbi court orders.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to make objects which depend on no externality. as long as they function, they function securely, and this as a matter of fact rather than convention.
pankkake: no hosted email service can guarantee privacy
mircea_popescu: exactly.
pankkake: so, a home email server, for example?
pankkake: I've seen projects like that, interesting, but sadly not going anywhere
mircea_popescu: something like that would theoretically qualify, i suppose.
asciilifeform: pankkake: more like a spoon. the latter is guaranteed not to stab you in the eye spontaneously, if used as prescribed. by pure physical fact of it being what it is.
kakobrekla: https://github.com/Bit-Wasp/BitWasp
kakobrekla: go!
pankkake: > php
mircea_popescu: "BitWasp is an open source project which aims to lower the barrier for anyone to set up there own secure, anonymous marketplace. "
mircea_popescu: great aim.
kakobrekla: php can kick you off this chan
mircea_popescu: the lower the barriers the better the movie. bring popcorns.
pankkake: also, CodeIgniter
pankkake: well, the SR fiasco tells us that the marketplace admin should be highly knowledgable
pankkake: make it some easy php thing, and it's going to be a lot of failures
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.08 BTC [-]
pankkake: the only way I could see it working, is that if it came with professional support
mircea_popescu: from whom.
pankkake: the developers
mircea_popescu: pankkake http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/
mircea_popescu: that was 2012.
asciilifeform: pankkake: does a spoon come with professional support? believe it or not, it is possible to build an artifact which functions as described, until it is physically destroyed.
pankkake: ah well, I thought about it a few days ago
mircea_popescu: "All help and contributions in getting Bitwasp completed are very much appreciated as the time of the lead developers is currently very limited."
pankkake: asciilifeform: I'm not talking about your idea, but about bitwasp
pankkake: though if it's software, you have the issue of updating it
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there's some underground forum distributing teenage cunt and assorted pills to people on the basis of how many lead developer roles they fail to fill.
asciilifeform: pankkake: when's the last time you updated the software in your microwave oven?
pankkake: you know it's not the same thing
pankkake: and the microwave does not take complex imput from strangers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 134 @ 0.00914463 = 1.2254 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: okay, when's the last time you updated the software in your girlfriend ?
pankkake: mircea_popescu: pretty much all those community project fail. see diaspora for one of the best examples
mircea_popescu: no argument.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00949797 = 0.7978 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: mircea_popescu: I wish that was possible, because they were all very defective
pankkake: beta versions I guess
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 170 @ 0.00949887 = 1.6148 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: vaguely related : http://trilema.com/2009/de-interfonibus/ 2009 article explaining how to hack in the building access intercom so as to get other people's calls.
pankkake: I haven't been able to figure out what OpenTranscations actually is
mircea_popescu: me either. i've probably been at it longer than you. i think we will die and it will endure mysterious.
Apocalyptic: pankkake, as in mtgox's withdrawal form ?
ThickAsThieves: Just found a couple bitcoins in an old BitStamp account, they won't let me withdraw until I do AML
pankkake: Apocalyptic: http://opentransactions.org/
ThickAsThieves: pretty retarded considering that I never actually bought or sold btc with the account
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 199 @ 0.00084192 = 0.1675 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: do they force it for the Ripple widthdrawal too?
ThickAsThieves: dunno
ThickAsThieves: i'm not gonna try and find out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5144 @ 0.0008719 = 4.4851 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: gonna do AML
ThickAsThieves: I realized with this recent crash I need more quick ways to trade
pankkake: I'm still trying to reverify my bitcoin-central account, they seem to want a new document every day
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.03 = 2.06 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: lol
pankkake: most of them being very easy to fake, but whatever
mircea_popescu: fake documents are bad mmkay ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00999899 = 0.4999 BTC [+]
pankkake: > trusting a piece of paper
asciilifeform: i often wonder if all the jokers demanding documents are doing so to feed honeypots like the late SR
ThickAsThieves: BitFunder will probly be next
ThickAsThieves: Weex already allows AML submission
asciilifeform: inevitably some moron succumbs to the temptation of buying false papers, he buys from a stoolie; and game over.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.03 BTC [+]
dexX7: bitstamp did this step like 2 months ago or so
dexX7: by the way ThickAsThieves: do you still process btct am -> am1?
ThickAsThieves: Yes
dexX7: good to know, thanks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed it was never explained just how the fake ids dpr guy bought were discovered in the mail.
mircea_popescu: just you know... glossed over.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 437 @ 0.00087387 = 0.3819 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly something like this: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/open-market/
asciilifeform: no need to 'discover' anything when a stoolie is in fact doing the forgeries.
dexX7: ThickAsThieves: is there a cutoff date for transfers?
ThickAsThieves: well BTCT closes on Monday right?
ThickAsThieves: so this weekend would make sense
dexX7: yes and afaik burnside is going to convert all remaining shares to direct shares on the 10th
dexX7: weekend is fine :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00086702 = 1.604 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1 BTC [-]
pizzaman1337: so, the SR BTC is to be liquidated? http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/10/04/fbi-silk-road-bitcoin-seizure/
mircea_popescu: lol he gave them the keys ?
pizzaman1337: "The FBI has not been able to get to Ulbricht’s personal Bitcoin yet. “That’s like another $80 million worth,” she said, explaining that it was held separately and is encrypted."
pankkake: yes, he seems to make it a point of doing everything wrong
Diablo-D3: wow
pankkake: hm, that's better
assbot: [BTCTC] [BMF] 9 @ 0.0151 = 0.1359 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: big deal, rectothermal cryptoanalysis until he upchucks the key.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it;s not worth it to them.
asciilifeform: didn't say it will be a government official inserting the iron
pankkake: well, if I had that much bitcoins, I'd use passwordless security
asciilifeform: just whoever has unsupervised access to DPR's sorry carcass in the near future.
mircea_popescu: mebbe.
Diablo-D3: that isnt even a lot of money when it comes to the government
pankkake: redditors went all "it will pay the gov debt"
asciilifeform: pankkake: it will go to the same place where the cocaine went.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.03 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: wouldn't it be funny if the 27k btc walked away sometime?
asciilifeform: https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX
mircea_popescu: the irony, of course, is that so far this quite strengthens bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: on one hand, the govt taking the trouble to peel some of the bottom layers of idiot muppets off btc is great.
mircea_popescu: on the other, 30k less btc can't hurt anything.
kleeck: ^
kleeck: When I saw "liquidate" I was happy.
pankkake: what does liquidate mean?
kleeck: Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate!
pankkake: anyway, it certainly be a manual of "what not to do" for the next silk roads
deadweasel: fucking daleks, the lot of you.
deadweasel: ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00086826 = 1.5629 BTC [+] {2}
skinnkavaj: Hey doesn't anyone think ADDICTION on bitfunder is a great buy? The kncminers are arriving, they just posted news. Has anyone done any calculations how much those shares can make in divends lately?
pankkake: skinnkavaj: do it yourself
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj nobody seemed to have cared so far.
skinnkavaj: pankkake: Trying
pankkake: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/
ozbot: Mining Dashboard - The Genesis Block
kleeck: "can some1 maths 4 meh plox thnx"
skinnkavaj: Reading cached version of bitcointalk now
skinnkavaj: Please help me calculate
mircea_popescu: pankkake actually that;'s a pretty nice link.
pankkake: I'm pretty sure no one is going to sell it at a good price for you anyway
pankkake: mircea_popescu: it's the *only* calculator that doesn't suck
skinnkavaj: 1 share is 32mhash
pankkake: or the one that sucks the less
skinnkavaj: Where can i find calculator for how much 1mhash will bring in?
mircea_popescu: Bitfury (EU)0.78 / Bitfury (EU)0.15
mircea_popescu: da fuck ?
mircea_popescu: it's not normalised or somerthing ?
mircea_popescu: ;;genrate 32000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 32000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 148819199.805, is 0.108137985871 BTC per day and 0.00450574941127 BTC per hour.
mircea_popescu: bejesus, 320 gh/s makes 1 btc a day.
skinnkavaj: Seems not worth it
skinnkavaj: with current share price
mircea_popescu: i remember when the entire network was like, 30gh
pankkake: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/d1afeb43fa if I'm not mistaken, at 0.01 a share of 32 mhash, it's a loss
ozbot: Mining Dashboard - The Genesis Block
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [-]
pankkake: if I ever encounter a time machine, the only thing I'd bring with me is a block erupter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.001216 = 1.216 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00086702 = 1.2138 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so is this BitFury marketplace TradeFortress' new thing?
ThickAsThieves: https://www.cex.io/promo/?src=bitv
mircea_popescu: "CEX.IO is the first and leading commodity exchange in the Bitcoin community. Here you can buy or sell GHashes"
mircea_popescu: duide the bullshit. it's the fourth generation.
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin is a commodity bro!
mircea_popescu: Ukto tried to run something called hashpower after pirate's coin minter scam support thing floundered, and THAT was 2nd generation
kakobrekla: but it didnt work
mircea_popescu: by now this "we're the first" and the "we're the largest" markers are pretty clear indications of dipshit 20something year old deadpirateroberts-ism.
kakobrekla: cause it was no ponzi powered
jborkl: that isnt the first- gpumax did that
ThickAsThieves: if it is TF's thing, he paid like 210btc to advertise in btctalk
ThickAsThieves: waste of money
kakobrekla: O_o
jborkl: what is btctalk?
jborkl: never heard of it
ThickAsThieves: forum
kakobrekla: what is btc?
jborkl: ?
ThickAsThieves: scam
kakobrekla: ??
jborkl: never heard of it
ThickAsThieves: butcointalk
kakobrekla: what is heard?
ThickAsThieves: who is this is?
mircea_popescu: lmao 210 btc ? srsly ?!
ThickAsThieves: yeah he bought 7 spots at 30btcv ea
mircea_popescu: there's something amiss here. that thing isn't going to make 200 btc over its lifetime.
dexX7: lol yup
kakobrekla: this is called bflism
kakobrekla: bashing those ads
pankkake: unless he's also selling his own stuff?
ThickAsThieves: my guess is he urgently wanted to get it out there due to diff rising
pankkake: though I don't even really understand what it is
mircea_popescu: if we're going to discover theymos was faking his auctions cognitive style...
ThickAsThieves: actually TF opened his bid at that
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: ;;seen tradefortress
gribble: tradefortress was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <TradeFortress> Graet, that's technically correct, it's just part of the demo.
jborkl: lol, garr225 right?
kakobrekla: he dun like irc
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the only way it makes sense to be paying 200 btc to advertise on btctalk ius if you're not paying 200 btc.
pankkake: you can't really fake auctions though. it's mostly psychological
ThickAsThieves: like orgasms?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: but srsly, it'd be more cost effective to buy 1 kilo of coke from the fbi
mircea_popescu: and send it in baggies to your prospective customers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] [PAID] 0.03950968 BTC to 40`316 shares, 98 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's just his roundabout way of selling PMBs
jborkl: where is all this KNC hardware that was supposed to be out?
jborkl: without the forum, how am I supposed to keep up with scams
pankkake: eh, people seem to be getting it actually
Au-WireBeard: Has KNC started hosting hardware yet?
ThickAsThieves: ask reddit?
ThickAsThieves: ask Knc?
jborkl: from what I have seen, they have not answered on the knc forum in 4 days
ThickAsThieves: well they were of course mining with it themselves for a bit before shipping
ThickAsThieves: so probably wont affect nethash
pankkake: https://bitfunder.com/asset/ADDICTION#pane_news 9 miners!
Au-WireBeard: So much for having the facility setup and ready to go before th chips arrive
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 16 @ 0.009989 = 0.1598 BTC [+]
pankkake: from what I understand, they're doing it in the order of all orders, so hosted mining won't go before regular orders
pankkake: http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/acccounts/4259-i-got-my-tracking-number-%7B%7B-post-here-when-you-do-%7D%7D
ozbot: I got my tracking number {{ POST HERE WHEN YOU DO }}
pankkake: http://cointerra.com/coolit-systems-selected-cointerra-partner-liquid-cooling-solutions/ that's actually more interesting to me than their fpga demo
thestringpuller: fmlafjlkeajfleawjflkajwekrwkflajfkjfljawkakjfl;lawfl;jwljejvlwg;fjw
ThickAsThieves: thestringpuller got a cat
jurov: or misfapped
thestringpuller: my cat ran over the keyboard
jurov: he'd never admit anyway
ThickAsThieves: the cat typed "fml" & "flea"
Au-WireBeard: So theymos is finally using that donation fund to upgrade the forums? Or just place bounties here and there?
benkay_: thestringpuller: https://soundcloud.com/mslaurynhill/ms-lauryn-hill-consumerism-1
ThickAsThieves: ^ meh
benkay_: at least it has more than 12 unique words
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=277
ThickAsThieves: "This is good for the Bitcoin economy in general and the reputation in specific because it proves that Bitcoins are in and of themselves a neutral store of value or medium of exchange and that privacy does not necessarily have to be compromised for law enforcement purposes."
assbot: [BTCTC] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Timing buffered disk reads: 5758 MB in 3.00 seconds = 1919.23 MB/sec
mircea_popescu: some things you gotta love.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.15639577 BTC to 30`000`000 shares, 3 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: herp.
jurov: mhm
jurov: it's actually 2.69 satoshi per share for mpex/coinbr users, 2 satoshi for passthrough bagholders
mircea_popescu: hang on a second.
jurov: um... my maffs are wrong.
jurov: it's 3.85 for mpex, 3 else
kakobrekla: smth is wrong there yeah
kakobrekla: missed a decimal place?
jurov: lol looking on my code for wisdom what it actualy did
jurov: *into
mircea_popescu: uyeah.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.03 = 17.51 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: seriously mp, into the ground, well, to sea level. :)
mircea_popescu: omg this is hate.
kakobrekla: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.04075619 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 34 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: now it's right.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 21.91991239 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 4 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: rejoice.
Diablo-D3: I refuse.
ThickAsThieves: you garbage?
mircea_popescu: hm ?
FabianB: hmm.. why is bbet div less than august if august profits were lower?
mircea_popescu: "i have no idea what's going on." ~towlie.
mircea_popescu: FabianB cause it came in two chunks?
jurov: at least assbot should have done its maths correctly.. now i have a mess in db
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.36000007 = 1.08 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: hm yeah
kakobrekla: something is off
kakobrekla: hum
mircea_popescu: yeah wtf.
FabianB: even both together
kakobrekla: welcome to quantum assets
mircea_popescu: heh. turns out, FabianB, that last month i fucked up the bitbet divs too.
mircea_popescu: i overpaid about 3x ;/
ThickAsThieves: heh
mircea_popescu: july Profit : 5.75330454 BTC / 1.72599069 BTC on 04-08-13 ; aug Profit : 2.69851570 BTC / 2.69851526 BTC
mircea_popescu: basically last month i paid the 3mn shares on mpex as if they were the whole 10mn. which they aren't.
FabianB: lol, why not have all shares on mpex?
mircea_popescu: there will be a 1.88896099 BTC charge on next month to make it whole. unless i forget.
mircea_popescu: or i fuck something else up.
ThickAsThieves: scams!
mircea_popescu: FabianB well the bitbet ipo was so that once this 3mn shares sell we get teh rest of our shares allocated.
mircea_popescu: however... so far it's not sold
ThickAsThieves: kinda ironic, linking the trillionaire earlier
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i guess this qualifies as an unjustified accelerated dividend and therefore A SCAM
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.36000007 = 3.6 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu first payment was for 30 mio shares, second for 3 mio
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this month ? yes.
ThickAsThieves: coincidentally was discussing various risks in operation with lawyer today, including "human error"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im notoriously bad at this dividend crap. just ask jurov.
kakobrekla: yeah that why assbot reported wrong numbers
kakobrekla: is not phps fault
ThickAsThieves: kill all teh dividend assets!
mircea_popescu: assbot is not to blame
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [-]
jurov: for this i must have all kinds of paranoid checks in my code...actually i contemplated checking that fractional part isn't >1 satoshi
jurov: that would have saved me
jurov: but i said to myself, meh just once a month
ThickAsThieves: http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/san-francisco-man-denies-connection-silk-road-webs/nbF8F/
ozbot: San Francisco man denies connection to 'Silk Road' website | www.ktvu.com
mircea_popescu: fractional part > 1 ?
ThickAsThieves: he looks kinda like that Twilight vampire brit
jurov: as i wrote above, mpex doesn't round divs to whole satoshi/share
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-september-2013-statement/ < made an update.
ozbot: BitBet, September 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: how did that happen
mircea_popescu: that ?
FabianB: mircea_popescu: i think the log.bitcoin-assets links only work today if you link it without a date parameter
mircea_popescu: no way ?!
ThickAsThieves: oh i love the new trilema header photo
mircea_popescu: i see it just fine ? it underscores you in yellow
FabianB: mircea_popescu: yes, today, but not if you click it tomorrow
kakobrekla: FabianB has a point
mircea_popescu: well this would be because phprekla can't phode.
FabianB: kakobrekla: maybe you could include the date in the links on the left
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly. i need my references.
kakobrekla: jsrekla will jsfix it
ThickAsThieves: make all the things clickable!
mircea_popescu: must have all the links permanent!
ThickAsThieves: and with RSS feeds
kakobrekla: we need a better logo.
ThickAsThieves: make RSS feed for every handle, etc
mircea_popescu: FabianB : i think now it'll work
mircea_popescu: ya totally needs a logo.
mircea_popescu: actually this chan needs a mascot
FabianB: mircea_popescu: yup, looks good
mircea_popescu: ever since usagi took that surgery.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the horse loves you back.
ThickAsThieves: Assbot the Mascot?
ThickAsThieves: robotic donkey?
ThickAsThieves: a robotic wooden log?
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Sorry to bother you but have you finished moving to bitfunder?
skinnkavaj: Neobee
ThickAsThieves: I am not the real Thickasthieves
ThickAsThieves: he doesnt hang out in IRC
ThickAsThieves: nor does he run an illegal drug market
jcpham: read: it was the six finger man!
mircea_popescu: kayzer sez me ?!
ThickAsThieves: in all seriousnesss, skinnkavaj, no is the answer
mircea_popescu: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/tor-attacks-nsa-users-online-anonymity
ozbot: Attacking Tor: how the NSA targets users' online anonymity | World news | theguardian.com
mircea_popescu: this is the most retarded write-up of security i saw this year.
mircea_popescu: half way into it the poor undergrad camwho doing the write-up is just... mentally exhausted.
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Now im really confused..
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1343 @ 0.000226 = 0.3035 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: wait, it was written by bruce schneider. what the ef.
pankkake: skinnkavaj: I always read your nickname as skinnyvaj'
skinnkavaj: pankkake: Is that someone i should know?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.35999999 = 1.08 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol cute.
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj vaj would be vagina in that context.
skinnkavaj: A well screw you then im going home
mircea_popescu: lmao
pankkake: I often misread new words (like kakobrekla, I read it as something else for weeks)
pankkake: I don't remember which, but there's one I was misreading for years
kakobrekla: FabianB / mircea_popescu ; should be fixed
kakobrekla: yeah dont worry its not really a word
mircea_popescu: it's a scam.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 3 @ 0.5 = 1.5 BTC [-]
FabianB: mircea_popescu: you might want to grep (if your blog allows that) for more old log.bitcoin-assets links
mircea_popescu: yes good idea.
FabianB: i think i saw at least one more, don't remember which article though
mircea_popescu: there's exactly 3
ThickAsThieves: "Recently published news articles discuss the intelligence community's interest in tools used to facilitate anonymous online communication. The articles accurately point out that the intelligence community seeks to understand how these tools work and the kind of information being concealed.
ThickAsThieves: However, the articles fail to make clear that the intelligence community's interest in online anonymity services and other online communication and networking tools is based on the undeniable fact that these are the tools our adversaries use to communicate and coordinate attacks against the United States and our allies."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/#313531 hm
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can you grep the log for to halp me get these dates ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.36 = 2.88 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/#332651 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/#318803
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2013#318803 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: moar?
mircea_popescu: just those 3
kakobrekla: a
kakobrekla: theres 3
kakobrekla: didnt see
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2013#332651 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
jurov: okay, coinbr is fixed
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2013#313531 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.04 = 4.16 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: tyvm
dexX7: https://picostocks.com/stocks/view/31 + https://picostocks.com/businessplan/31 X_X ... it's scam, right?
mircea_popescu: so today FabianB has found my missing 2btc and has fixed my blog.
ozbot: PicoStocks.com
FabianB: hehe
mircea_popescu: dexX7 you're like the third guy today.
dexX7: meh
ThickAsThieves: does fabian get a cherry truck or such now?
dexX7: http://i.imgur.com/ZMf6Lvt.png ... k it is fake
pankkake: so how many btcs did they steal?
ThickAsThieves: kinda amazing theyd so blatantly show they are a scam
ThickAsThieves: :)
FabianB: ThickAsThieves: i guess i get working links when i read articles on dates after they were written :)
mircea_popescu: i think the cherry truck is for doing god's work by arguing with some retard on btctalk over 50 pages
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2013#329164 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: that shit's ironic.
mircea_popescu: wtf happened there
kakobrekla: lmao
kakobrekla: no clue
jurov: you got censored, i spotted it quickly
jurov: you then put it into blog
mircea_popescu: this is conspiraci
pankkake: log.b-a censors?
kakobrekla: some strange encoding? i know it works for arabis chars
mircea_popescu: nah it was english
pankkake: oh right it breaks on some encodings from what i've seen
kakobrekla: hm
mircea_popescu: apparently long strings kill the bot ?
jurov: yes, it was that
kakobrekla: it was what
pankkake: well proper English punctuation can be unicode characters too
kakobrekla: i dont think lenght is the problem
jurov: several ~400 chars long lines
mircea_popescu: there were > 500 characters per line in that quote
kakobrekla: irc has limit to it
kakobrekla: set by the network
mircea_popescu: let mwe find it in my log
jurov: i have seen them here...but assbot did not
mircea_popescu: The Agreement provides that in the event of termination, no party shall be liable beyond the specific liabilities imposed in the Agreement (i.e., the termination fee), except “that no such termination shall relieve any party … from any liability or damages resulting from the wilful and material breach … by a party of any of its representations, warranties, covenants or agreements set forth in this Agreement.” (
kakobrekla: The Agreement provides that in the event of termination, no party shall be liable beyond the specific liabilities imposed in the Agreement (i.e., the termination fee), except that no such termination shall relieve any party … from any liability or damages resulting from the wilful and material breach … by a party of any of its representations, warranties, covenants or agreements set forth in this Agreement. (
mircea_popescu: holes!
mircea_popescu: this is SCAM logging.
jurov: “ redacted
pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/VmQB7yn.png weird characters
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: in my text too?
jborkl: so Cointerra is 3 miles from me, huh
pankkake: yes
mircea_popescu: jborkl going by ?
mircea_popescu: … ?
jborkl: I know exaclty the building they say they are in
kakobrekla: The Agreement provides that in the event of termination, no party shall be liable beyond the specific liabilities imposed in the Agreement (i.e., the termination fee), except that no such termination shall relieve any party … from any liability or damages resulting from the wilful and material breach … by a party of any of its representations, warranties, covenants or agreements set forth in this Agreement. (
kakobrekla: hm
jborkl: charles schwab office in that building
jborkl: I will go by and see
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's the triple dot continuation marks
kakobrekla: ah
kakobrekla: well dont say that anymore!
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> jborkl going by ? look at line right after that
mircea_popescu: it came out empty
mircea_popescu: hehe mk.
pankkake: those? …
asciilifeform: http://blog.jim.com/economics/technological-failure-of-the-silk-road-system.html (or: a few words from Cpt. Obvious)
ozbot: Technological failure of the silk road system « Jim’s Blog
mircea_popescu: … kakobrekla is a clit sausage.
mircea_popescu: i guess now we have an off the record symbol.
mircea_popescu: which is not necessarily that bad.
kakobrekla: lolz
pankkake: asciilifeform: or simply, make your website use openpgpjs. don't get why no one does
asciilifeform: pankkake: js-anything as a security component damns your soul.
mircea_popescu: is that actually a proper implementation ?
mircea_popescu: ^
pankkake: it seems to be
asciilifeform: the site (or mitm version) can always serve up a diddled js.
jborkl: hmm, that is a apt complex, not a office
jurov: Æώ
pankkake: hm, true
kakobrekla: ? hm
pankkake: but at least they woulndn't get any message before compromission
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who the hell is "jim"
asciilifeform: nobody.
asciilifeform: just a random find.
kakobrekla: i cant reproduce that triple dot in this retarded client
jurov: just have a tor bundle include gpg proper
kakobrekla: but, i can just take out of db
kakobrekla: so fuck dat.
mircea_popescu: http://blog.jim.com/wp-comments-post.php > Error 404 - Not Found
kakobrekla: dont u version me pankkake
skinnkavaj: Fuck u doing pankkake
kakobrekla: scriptkiddie
kakobrekla: :D
jborkl: the phone number cointerra has does not work
pankkake: lol at your version
pankkake: jborkl: SCAM!!!
jurov: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2011-October/021770.html
ozbot: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: PGP encryption built-in?
kakobrekla: whose, mine?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla U+2026 ?
kakobrekla: i use heavily modified script kiddie script
kakobrekla: also broken
kakobrekla: no i has some strange encoding here
mircea_popescu: well it's horizontal ellipsis. anyway.
jurov: lol "
jurov: I don't consider Firefox the 'best of Web Browsing' or GPG the 'best
jurov: of encryption'. They are only the crap tools we're stuck with for
jurov: now.
jurov: "
kakobrekla: my irc client is legacy
mircea_popescu: well it's good to see the interwebs have not run out of retards.
jurov: hence ended the inquiry to add gpg to tor bundle.
asciilifeform: a basic and inescapable problem in something like 'pgp in browser' is that the user has no way to tell if he's actually using what he thinks he's using.
mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?page=1&order=dateup < ok this shit's pretty lol
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
pankkake: yeah, you'd need a browser extension…
pankkake: I've tried webpg, and it sucks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is true.
jurov: yes but they were talking about some browser add-on
pankkake: does not handle multiple identities, and slows down the browser after a few hours
mircea_popescu: ideally what you need is an airgapped machine and a pistol reader.
asciilifeform: and this is completely aside from the 'toilet in the kitchen' problems you get.
jborkl: just talked to a cointerra guy, he wont let me come by
mircea_popescu: why niot ?
jborkl: he said they dont have anything to show me right now
ThickAsThieves: scams
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: well... pick up two highschool chicks and a liter bottle of vodka and go crash their office.
jborkl: weel, I figured out it was a apt complex
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, bbl.
kakobrekla: he is going to trash the office
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00087512 = 1.9253 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.00000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 21 @ 0.006763 = 0.142 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00901347 = 1.0816 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00900102 = 0.369 BTC [-]
jurov: kakobrekla: assbot should do *tumbleweed* when no activity
jurov: since her source code needs to be maintained in constant state of disorder
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00086486 / 0.00090941 / 0.00093695 (101603 shares, 92.40 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00086624 / 0.00094023 (478116 shares, 414.17 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00089768 / 0.00094307 (6407070 shares, 5,751.55 BTC)
jurov: !t m s.nsa
assbot: Are you sure you have no tobacco?
jurov: gotcha :)
jurov: that reminds me to add it to coinbr
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.00900102 = 0.7291 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]
pankkake: you have to add the new securities manually?
jurov: yes. there's no reliable way otherwise
jurov: i even had S.DICE shown in stat output till today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 425 @ 0.00087645 = 0.3725 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 211 @ 0.00900102 = 1.8992 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 14 @ 0.00900102 = 0.126 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.euronews.com/2013/10/04/students-strip-naked-to-protest-over-strict-new-dress-code-at-kaposvar-universit/
ozbot: Students strip in protest over dress code at Kaposvar University in Hungary | euronews,
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1009 @ 0.00124158 = 1.2528 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: parseval, bgupta one of you ping me
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 137.00000, Best ask: 137.59000, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 136.98000, 24 hour volume: 17840.08699449, 24 hour low: 128.50000, 24 hour high: 139.80000, 24 hour vwap: 134.78478