⏐︎ 16643
thestringpuller: ;;calc 20000 * 365
gribble: 7300000
mircea_popescu: mike_c he held the thing by the fucking blade, too. a 12 inch knife sharp enough to slice beef on touch
Namworld: Well I'd sure like to know romania prices
Namworld: So... do we get to know the total cost?
mircea_popescu: heh, pansy barber.
mircea_popescu: Namworld yeah, soon enough
mircea_popescu: !up PeterGriffin
BingoBoingo: Namworld: What, and let the people who death ray'd his new MOBO death ray the Pineapples!!!
PeterGriffin: what up moither fuckers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4952 @ 0.00085612 = 4.2395 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: PeterGriffin and who might you be?
PeterGriffin: god hates you if your not the non elect
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 647.26, Best ask: 648.86, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 648.86, 24 hour volume: 6803.40421945, 24 hour low: 639.93, 24 hour high: 659.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
Namworld: BingoBoingo... what?
PeterGriffin: ;;help
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
PeterGriffin: !ops
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Did you miss the motherboard convo?
PeterGriffin: i smell a ban coming
Namworld: I guess I have
BingoBoingo: PeterGriffin: Are you that CalvinKlein from Friday
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: motherboard << ?
PeterGriffin: calvinklein? no
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=153
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
asciilifeform: aha that one
PeterGriffin: hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Mats_cd03: hiiii
PeterGriffin: god hates you if your not the non elect
Mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/HrKp8Zx6V_s
assbot: Mayer Hawthorne - Crime (Lyric Video) ft. Kendrick Lamar - YouTube
BingoBoingo: hi =====
PeterGriffin: hi
BingoBoingo: !down penguirker
PeterGriffin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UQABR_9gGI&list=PLA932903698A56780
assbot: The Sovereignty of God Versus Man-Made Religions, Hollywood Movies & Petty Emotionalism - YouTube
BingoBoingo: !down PeterGriffin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.025001 = 0.125 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: lol
Mats_cd03: i always laugh when i read comments about bitcoin on hn
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: for some reason i thought the subject was forbidden there - unless posted by authorized phoundation shill
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 400 @ 0.002 = 0.8 BTC
mircea_popescu: that's not very far from truth asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: anyway : romanian prices, ~280 lei. /3.2 = 87.5 usd.
asciilifeform has the honour of running a site hellbanned on hn.
mircea_popescu: argentinian prices, 980 pesos. /11.4 = 85.96 usd.
mircea_popescu: CHEAPER!
asciilifeform: (described here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91)
assbot: Loper OS » Tenser, Said the Censor [*]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, you're NOT ONLY A WIKIPEDIA SPAMMER ARE YOU!!1
asciilifeform unrepentant spam desperado
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9385 @ 0.00085551 = 8.029 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Another common criticism of this practice has been that while in theory, it's a smart and effective way to discourage trolling, in actuality, the trolls and spammers are the first to become wise to this, and instead many innocent users get hurt, being unaware of what's going on."
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, hellbanning is exactly the opposite of this chan's +m
mircea_popescu: it has disadvantages in place of all the advantages, and no redeeming advantages whatsoever
mircea_popescu: other that being easy and cheap
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's also an inescapable fact of life for idiots who insist on maintaining appearance of 'democracy!' while keeping the signal to noise ratio within some bounds
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: who's pg ?
mircea_popescu: greenspun ?
asciilifeform: graham
mircea_popescu: oh lol
asciilifeform: (goes by pg on his site)
mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/killed.png
mircea_popescu: pretty good png to haveactually.
mircea_popescu: o that's what that recode shit coming out of nowhere is
asciilifeform: ^ taken on an apple box dusted off for the occasion, purposefully
mircea_popescu: mossberg got fired
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: i peripherally noticed there's yet another one of these web platform shits.
asciilifeform: (to anyone in usa, 'mossberg' is a '12' caliber shotgun)
mircea_popescu: with conferences and errything
mircea_popescu: brb dinner.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 60 @ 0.002 = 0.12 BTC
asciilifeform: http://aspensmonster.com/2014/05/22/leaving-hacker-news
assbot: » Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER
asciilifeform: ^ some interesting discussion re: how hn works
asciilifeform: the auto-zap for nsa-related crap is especially entertaining (folks keep finding ways around it, mods play whackamole)
asciilifeform: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bb3m2/this_comment_defending_bitcoin_got_me_hellbanned/
assbot: This comment defending Bitcoin got me hellbanned from "Hacker" News. : Bitcoin
asciilifeform: the interesting thing isn't that pg & co. zap posts they aren't particularly fond of. rather more interesting: the elaborate gymnastics to maintain a pretense of being an uncensored forum.
asciilifeform: 'reddit' may be a cesspool, but hn is a very special kind of echo hell.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> Mats_cd03: benkay is a queen << ahahaha they got yo numba nao vulpes. // y'all ain't even seen me in my heels yet
BingoBoingo: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-09/facebook-zuckerberg-sued-over-directors-compensation.html
assbot: Facebook, Zuckerberg Sued Over Directors Compensation - Bloomberg
thestringpuller: yea
thestringpuller: fuck zuckerberg
thestringpuller: FUCK DAT GUY
mircea_popescu: assbot> » Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER << all these important things i've missed out on while doing other things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait what ?! they don't discuss nsa ?~!
asciilifeform: all i can surmise is, pg would rather not.
benkay: distracts from fartup derpus
mircea_popescu: well, inasmuch as zombie is allowed to continue to exist, zombie is well advised to not be too critical of the decay process.
mircea_popescu: "Reddit seems to be one of the only places you can have true freedom of speech on the internet, and it thrives thanks to it. "
mircea_popescu: ahahaha help me rwanda
thestringpuller: true freedom of speech? da fuq does that even mean?
mircea_popescu: like the true scotsman
mircea_popescu: speech that conforms to one's priors is freedom of speech
mircea_popescu: speech that brings forth the cognitive dissonance one's priors suffer at the hands of reality is trolling
mike_c: mircea_popescu: walt mossberg??
mike_c: i remember 15 years ago coworkers sweating his reviews.
mircea_popescu: yeah him
mike_c: this could be like oprah leaving cable. he's not bigger than the journal.
mircea_popescu: dj fired him last year turns out, he started this recode thing january
mircea_popescu: he didnt leave, he got canned
mircea_popescu: prolly tried to resist a salary cut
mike_c: crazy. well, he'll find a paycheck somewhere.
mircea_popescu: doubt it.
mircea_popescu: he's running in the wrong track with the wrong dogs.
mircea_popescu: "It was autodeaded, presumably because of my use of the term “circlejerk,” which HN is quite sensitive to."
mircea_popescu: aahahaha
dub: gay
dub: er, gah*
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482
assbot: Loper OS » Tungsten Will Melt in Your Mouth!
mircea_popescu: "I was recently met with a torrent of downvotes –nearly 100, might have actually crossed that– for poking fun at HN’s incessant we’re-not-reddit-we’re-much-more-sophisticated circlejerking"
mircea_popescu: o wait, because basically both hn and reddit are owned by the same dead media conglomerate is it
dub: the past caught up and is nutpunching me
mircea_popescu: so theykinda have a bit of an identity issue
mircea_popescu: like the mercury/ford
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14920 @ 0.0000669 = 0.9981 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: Shame on me for continually pointing out this community’s obsession over being the “glorious master race” of online discussion whilst poo-pooing the cesspools of “filthy casuals” like Reddit or, god forbid, Slashdot.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wait, WHAT ?
mircea_popescu: hacker news seriously thinks they matter somehow ?!
Namworld: Pretty much no one knows about hacker news.
mike_c: fb95e6a6f3843ea7fe22e08d08b20ead70ee3181b363916439a7c93da9b89c0d
mircea_popescu: i suppose that doesn't detract
asciilifeform: for a turdmeister, wielding the banhammer isn't really satisfying unless he imagines that he's adding heretics to an all-important 'index librorum prohibitorum'
mircea_popescu: mike_c wassat ?
mike_c: a prediction for later. i want proof that i called it.
thestringpuller: Hacker News has always throught they mattered I though...
asciilifeform: removing the miscreants from the universe of Things That Matter
thestringpuller: thought
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you wanna talk about nonsense items and the rotten paradigms they create and perpetuate ? teh banhammer. worse than risc.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: purely 'psychiatric' interest here.
mircea_popescu: worse than anything about c/c++
mircea_popescu: pure and simple, at some point in whatever, 1995, some derp with a blog/forum/platform came up with the idea of BANNING
mircea_popescu: and it's been sticking ever since, irrespective of how stupid it is.
mircea_popescu: mike_c now im curious
mike_c: i am predicting your announcement.
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: i'll bet you you aren't.
asciilifeform: there was to be an announcement ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00085582 = 4.1507 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: hm, ok, i'll make a small wager. i'm not super-confident, but i think i've got it.
mircea_popescu: can be a bet for charity. whole bet goes to b-a donation address
mike_c: sounds good
mike_c: 0.5 btc?
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: so if you predicted it i send kako a btc, if not you do ?
mike_c: deal
thestringpuller: LOL
mircea_popescu: pretty cool way to run a bet i say
thestringpuller: how do we know you didn't change the date of the announcement
mircea_popescu: who's we
dub: his nick isn't inaba or Luke-Jr?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I wonder why silver is the white metal everyone seems to horde and not gallium.
mircea_popescu: http://aspensmonster.com/2014/05/22/leaving-hacker-news/#comment-10163 ☟︎
assbot: » Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER
mircea_popescu: "But in the absence of some system of law, the tiny minority of users out to do harm – intentionally or not – eventually drive out all the civil community members, leaving behind a lawless, chaotic badland."
mircea_popescu: this is such an amusing thing, because of all the utterly meaningless forums out there pretending to be communities and deluding themselves as to their own relevancy, not a single one would admit it's a failure
mircea_popescu: yet each and every one will pass this bit of "oh, leaving behind the broken spot"
mircea_popescu: nobody can point to such a broken spot on the interwebs, but nevertheless the apparent abundance of such is why every lemming wears plaid.
thestringpuller: When does something matter?
asciilifeform: announcement << i'll take the shot. mp to sell warehouses in Ar for btc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC
dub: the fibers can easily be made fuzz. Being crushed and shortened in unit length, staple tends to become fly or dusts with ease and dispersed into atmosphere.Their Carbon Fiber users are advised to be careful not to dispose naked skins to the fibers and to take deliberate dusts cleaning measures naked skins.
dub: thank you japan
asciilifeform: dub: the infamous 'pencil in space capsule' problem
mircea_popescu: dub the fuzz is after you now ?
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyXk3n5FCkw
assbot: Join the Fuzz - We Love the Violence - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12704 @ 0.00085529 = 10.8656 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Is there a link to when this announcement was announced?
mircea_popescu: "That said, every community is different. I've personally talked to people in charge of large online communities – ones you probably participate in every day – and part of the reason those communities haven't broken down into utter chaos by now is because they secretly hellban and slowban their most problematic users. "
mircea_popescu: "i have talked to some people i won't name about some things i won't name but take my word on it that it's relevant, and they said my stupidity is entirely correct"
BingoBoingo: WTF is a slowban
mircea_popescu: how do these idiots live with themselves ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo apparently make your pages load slowly because whoever cares about your site sucking
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: slowban << poor site performance emulated for a very special someone
mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta remember that Jeff Atwood is pretty fucking stupid.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00085788 = 6.863 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: What the fuck. Someone provokes annoyance in good faith and the response is now to lie and cover yourself in shit so they don't want to be seen around you?
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: this dovetails neatly with "women don't have to do anything in particular to not get fucked"
BingoBoingo: I have to wonder who the original autist was to come up with the idea of a slowban.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik it was one of pg's flunkies.
asciilifeform: perhaps altman.
asciilifeform: (his vizier)
BingoBoingo: This has to be some clinically defective reasoning.
midnightmagic: what's a hellban?
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: hellban << victim thinks his posts show.
asciilifeform: he logs out - they're gone.
midnightmagic: oh yeah. Like +z. I love +z.
dub: aka /shun
dub: ircd ignores msgs, client cant tell
mircea_popescu: dub actually the material i've seen included a lot of derping about how fucking horrible and psychologically blabla that is.
mircea_popescu: so i guess the kids in charge have some deep seated issues with this sort of passive-agressive nonsense.
midnightmagic: sounds like new-age nonsense to me
dub: safest way to deal with some kinds of damage
midnightmagic: yeah, unfortunately :-/
mircea_popescu: dub so the guy you're "shunning" twists your nipples.
mircea_popescu: do you keep at it or what.
mircea_popescu: it's utterly dependent on you living in a boring environment. or in other words, if shunning works, your life sucks.
mircea_popescu: "enjoyment of the first look you take at a comment page is prioritized over active participation. That's great if you're trying to attach ads to pictures of cats, but if you're trying to have a real conversation, it just gets in the way. I can read, I don't need an algorithm to tell me which comments are notable and which ones are junk. If I see a troll post on any other site, I don't seize up and have an aneurism, I j
mircea_popescu: ust scroll past it.
mircea_popescu: I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I can easily follow 50+ page PHPbb threads that drag on for months or even years, or 4chan threads with hundreds of posts and more on the way every time you refresh, but a small conversation (in reality; I considered it huge by my HN standards) I had on here the other day with about 10 comments or so made my head spin. I wrote half the posts and it was still hard to follow! O
mircea_popescu: h, and of course, no one but the people I responded to will ever read the things I wrote hours after the thread dropped off the front page."
mircea_popescu: wow look at that : they actually understand what's wrong with the ~others~
mircea_popescu: The Reddit discussion model is completely oriented towards providing the fast food of news commentary, where your << missing 1st line
dub: life is not always a forum
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, fun to see people on these very successful sites are lively debating solved problems in fain, years ago. makes my asshole swell.
asciilifeform: ;;google funarg problem
gribble: Funarg problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funarg_problem>; The FUNARG Problem Explained - Software Preservation Group: <http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/Weizenbaum-FUNARG_Problem_Explained-1968.pdf>; FUNARG Problem - DSpace@MIT: <http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/5854/AIM-199.pdf>
asciilifeform: ^ a problem gleefully re-introduced by quite a few 'language of the day!' designers
asciilifeform: this kind of thing is the norm in techno-derpatronics
asciilifeform: dig up a (solved) problem (or, 'problem'), peddle solution (or 'solution'), ???, profit
thestringpuller: refreshing trilema hoping to see an announcement #assetslife
thestringpuller: but I guess with pankkake 's bot that's not necessary anymore
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform le suck.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.025001 = 0.25 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: this is sometimes done in academia. as described in an infamous crackpot essay, 'stealing the chaos':
asciilifeform: http://lesswrong.com/lw/kv/beware_of_stephen_j_gould
assbot: Beware of Stephen J. Gould - Less Wrong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.025001 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23799979 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.025 = 0.4 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: (lw is another reddit clone that makes hn, etc. look sane. inhabited by folks terrified of robo-apocalypse. i was drummed out of lw as a 'future genocidal criminal' for... considering resurrecting doug lenat's 'eurisko.') ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: just how many of these social media sites did you get banned from ?
asciilifeform: tbh, i wasn't properly banned from any of them.
asciilifeform: login still functions
asciilifeform: ban isn't quite the word here
BingoBoingo: Kulakified?
asciilifeform: when you merit your own line of code in some turdmeister's db handler, but not banned... what do we call this.
mircea_popescu: banned lol
asciilifeform: in retrospect, being cast ashore from the shit-ocean was astonishingly good fortune.
asciilifeform: think how many potentially-interesting folks are floating there still.
TheNewDeal: why thank you assbot
mircea_popescu: prolly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00085527 = 9.6646 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well i guess with all teh encouragement ima make more travel log posts
TheNewDeal: do it
TheNewDeal: loved the mango and ginger breakfast picture as well
mircea_popescu: it turns out to be a pretty great breakfast!
mike_c: best part of winning a bitbet: gloating in the comments.
TheNewDeal: I love mango and I love ginger, but I haven't had the combination. Sounds like an indian dish to me
TheNewDeal: mike_c link?
mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/567/simona-halep-to-win-roland-garros/#c3022
assbot: BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros :: 1.03 B (14%) on Yes, 6.22 B (86%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 day ago
TheNewDeal: aha saw it
TheNewDeal: can't believe 7 btc was laid down on that bet
TheNewDeal: usually the sports ones are sparse
mircea_popescu: mike_c btw, the coffee shop i happenedto stop for my pasteleria today (which dubs itself as a "local de encuentro" and during the night time doubles as a whorehouse) just happened to run the match on a large screen
TheNewDeal: and females tennis too..
mircea_popescu: i caught it starting with the 4-6 6-7 1-0 moment
mircea_popescu: that little shit gave sharapova a good run for her tits.
TheNewDeal: hahaha
mircea_popescu: at some point the russian fowled 5 serves in a row
assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DH2FTF.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 9 ✂︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0251 = 0.251 BTC [+]
mike_c: hah, yeah, i'm glad i didn't watch it. too much of a sweat.
TheNewDeal: I'm very sad I didn't get to see the sexy Sharapova in action :(
mircea_popescu: nice legs yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2227057 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: bc,stats
TheNewDeal: updating TheNewDeal's prediction to 6.3%
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 305040 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1391 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 22 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12115562214.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.0537
mircea_popescu: but what's the point/use for a changing prediction ?
TheNewDeal: gribble does it!
mircea_popescu: lolk
TheNewDeal: Yesterday was 4.8, 6/7 was 6.9%
TheNewDeal: gribble was guessing like 0% when I was guessing around 5
TheNewDeal: I play around with my model a little bit and try to make it look realist. Gribble and bitcoinwisdom are pretty much looking at something like the last 500 or 1000 blocks and predicting off that
TheNewDeal: +ic
TheNewDeal: will bitbet start reporting the results of their bets in the manner I was talking about yesterday?
TheNewDeal: Like Gain:X, Total Resolved: Y, Pending: Z
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5939 @ 0.00085513 = 5.0786 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i think your talking about bitbet is incidental to what it'll actually do.
TheNewDeal: well of course
TheNewDeal: but if they're bets are going to be a large portion of the gains/losses, it seems like investors would want to know what their history has been on the bets
TheNewDeal: the way its reported now is just obscure
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: TheNewDeal Were you trying to trade Bastille Day bet Exposure yesterday?
TheNewDeal: yes
TheNewDeal: I have bets on Yes , and I would still like to trade exposure
TheNewDeal: bitcoinpete picked up a mere .1 BTC when I am looking for more
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: How do these arrangements work? Suppose I wanted to trade some of my no for your yes, how do we price these?
TheNewDeal: oh I don
TheNewDeal: I don't want any of your no :D
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Supposed you did, because we were both looking to hedge. How would this trade work?
TheNewDeal: the trade would work like this
TheNewDeal: you would give a amount, say 1 BTC, and we would tack on a timeweight to it
TheNewDeal: so you would send me 1 btc, and receive X timeweight
TheNewDeal: that I would pay out to your address
TheNewDeal: does that make any sense?
TheNewDeal: timeweight would be agreed upon beforehand
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Sure. That's about half of the question's answer. What of instead of BTC for positions the trade was positions for positions?
TheNewDeal: thats possible. I have 5.6 total BTC in for a timeweight of ~197,000. Care to share what you're trying to trade?
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> but if they're bets are going to be a large portion of the gains/losses, it seems like investors would want to know what their history has been on the bets << you know investors can readily revbiew this as they're all published
mircea_popescu: so far the house is ahead, mike_c did the math recently.
mircea_popescu: !up pgrewr
mike_c: well, house bets are ahead. the house isn't because it gives away half the bets.
TheNewDeal: MP, but recently they have upped the amounts they bet, by a large amoutn
TheNewDeal: correct?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal not afaik
mircea_popescu: mike_c right.
TheNewDeal: hmmm I'm going to have to do some research. thought I read something that said they were upping the amount of BTC bet
TheNewDeal: perhaps it was around the time MPIF came about?
pgrewr: homosexuals should be put to death
mircea_popescu: always been .1
mircea_popescu: tis in th faq
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well, let's not reveal the particular bet since we are miming what making such a deal would look like and Assume I have this position http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/#b39 And would like to swap half of the balance for a favorably priced yes position.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day :: 112.84 B (85%) on Yes, 19.55 B (15%) on No | closing in 3 days 20 hours | weight: 2`243 (100`000 to 1)
BingoBoingo: How do we go about pricing No at a weight TheNewDeal versus yes at a weight?
TheNewDeal: well it wouldn't really make too much sense for me financially, unless you had much more timeweight
TheNewDeal: i take that back
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: It could though which is why the pricing of these things and how to do it is so important.
TheNewDeal: let me do a quick calculation
mircea_popescu: !up Hoodmin
Hoodmin: Evenin coiners
BingoBoingo: Evening Hoodmin
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm curious, are you running Bitbet.py?
asciilifeform: pgrewr: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9831727/Iran-unveils-finger-amputating-machine-for-use-on-thieves.html << adapt for your application
assbot: Iran unveils finger amputating machine for use on thieves - Telegraph
TheNewDeal: no
TheNewDeal: what is bitbet.py?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Do you have a more interesting tool for calculating Bitbet outcomes then?
TheNewDeal: i use excel or simply Calculator
mike_c: i do :) i should clean up some of my scripts and publish them sometime..
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/is-bitbet-us-buggy.86712/#post-1492473
assbot: Is bitbet.us buggy? | Bitcointa.lk
TheNewDeal: ;;calc 16.3/678*112.8+.99*1
gribble: 3.70185840708
TheNewDeal: not too hard
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: It's a simple tool. You past in the lines from bitbet and get the whole thing laid out.
mike_c: old skool. it should grab the json.
mike_c: blech. i feel another bitbet blog post coming on.
BingoBoingo: Well, it is a relic of BitBet's earlier days
TheNewDeal: ill definitely check it out
TheNewDeal: but it's easy enough for me to quickly find the payout of one or two bets
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Yeah, but I usually like to survey the whole field at once. Creates a real appreciation of time weight
TheNewDeal: touche
BingoBoingo: Helps you identify interesting bettors as well
TheNewDeal: besides the point
TheNewDeal: the maximum i stand to make on my yes prop is 1.25 btc with 5.6 bet (assuming no more NO bets come)
TheNewDeal: if I purchased your whole position, I would make 3.78% on yes, or lose 28.8 percent
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Assume we are hedgine and trading smaller amounts. Who would we price deciBitcoin portions of each position.
TheNewDeal: let's say I were to send you a fraction of a BTC (let's say a half) on the no bet. Would you consider giving me a larger timeweight than what you have bet at?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'd actually be more interested in swapping a fraction of the no for a fraction of the Yes. If we are trading Bitcoin against the position... I'd maybe be interested in offering a bit of extra timeweight.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why silver is the white metal everyone seems to horde and not gallium << Ga is typically found in bauxite, so it had to wait for cheap Al refinement.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That explains the problem historically, but not why it persists.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in principle, it would make a pretty good 'low tech testable' precious metal. simply determine melting point.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/food-para-comer/
TheNewDeal: My position will currently pay out 1.22 per 1 invested, but I have like 4X more invested, so it doesn't make much sense to buy a small fraction
BingoBoingo: Indeed more testable.
BingoBoingo: ;;calc 3.70185840708*0.5
gribble: 1.85092920354
thestringpuller: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021706 BTC (Total: 434.13 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm thinking rather than adjusting time weight which could create a bit of a pickle if a lot of large late betting acticity swoops in we consider the matter of pricing a 0.5 stake in terms of the premium or discount applied to 0.5 BTC to purchase it.
[]bot: Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 474.9239018 BTC. Current weight: 45,777.
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC worth over $5000 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/716/ Odds: 42(Y):58(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.25076814 BTC. Current weight: 54,957.
TheNewDeal: first off, I don't think there will be any late bettors here
TheNewDeal: secondly, if there are, it will only help my position
TheNewDeal: the yes pays less than half a percent at 1 btc
BingoBoingo: No one ever anticipates snackman...
cazalla: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pensioners-lose-savings-in-government-cash-grab-20140609-39t7p.html save money in australia for longer than 3 years and you get your shit ganked
assbot: Pensioners lose savings in government cash grab
TheNewDeal: we could definitely swap, but I don't see how it would help you out
TheNewDeal: yes timeweight pays out not so much
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: So for 0.5 BTC of my no stake you would pay 0.? BTC
TheNewDeal: that doesn't work out for me
BingoBoingo: Ah, so what works again? You want to pay ? for a stake with the timeweight adjusted upwards? Wouldn't it be easier to adjust the price paid or the portion of the stake purchased?
TheNewDeal: let me go over an example scenario
TheNewDeal: if I were to purchase .33 BTC at 30K timeweight
TheNewDeal: for me I would be winning 10% on my investment of 5.9 BTC on YES, or returning 27% of that investment on no
TheNewDeal: you on the other hand, would bring in 1.06 BTC for an investment of (1-.33 = .67 btc)
TheNewDeal: for NO
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: metals: in practice, metals for which demand is almost entirely industrial make poor 'trading sardines'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see kodak/silver relationship for example.
TheNewDeal: I've got to go get some food before the bar closes
TheNewDeal: ill be back in an hour or so
BingoBoingo: And lets say at 16`367 you spent .33 to purchase 0.5, 0.6 or whatever on No (In case miners betting late on No make covering the offer at a higher weight a challenge, Spz. No becomes obvious and a member of the math challenged drops 1000 BTC on No)
TheNewDeal: No is most definitely not obvious
TheNewDeal: Yes is the most likely scenario
BingoBoingo: Ah, it closes in ~4 days.
TheNewDeal: close doesn't really matter to us
TheNewDeal: i dont think bets are going to be made
BingoBoingo: Well it keeps people from betting when the outcome might be obvious.
TheNewDeal: even if they are made, they are not going to be large ones
BingoBoingo: I'll think on this a bit.
TheNewDeal: sounds good
thestringpuller: COOKIES
smickles: mircea_popescu: over 4bill in assets which are easily valued
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00085527 = 0.5987 BTC [+]
smickles: easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 672 @ 0.00085513 = 0.5746 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.072075 = 0.2883 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00085326 = 2.7304 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Here's the present output from BitBet.py on the Bastille Day Bet http://dpaste.com/1Y574AF/
assbot: dpaste: 1Y574AF: Bastille day Output
BingoBoingo missed some lines on initial entry and tacked them on at the end.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I think something about the math you presented for your example is wrong.
BingoBoingo: As an example of fresh bet of .33 BTC on No returns the line [ 52] No 30000 0.33000000 1.93420100 1.60420100 covering 32.8% of your 5.9 BTC stake.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12327 @ 0.00085485 = 10.5377 BTC [+] {3}
TheNewDeal: bingoboingo you still on?
BingoBoingo: Still online
TheNewDeal: niiiice
TheNewDeal: i've been pondering over some calculations
BingoBoingo: Selling a .33 stake at 30,000 weight for.33 BTC isn't going to be feasible.
TheNewDeal: one I was thinking of was buying .25 stake at 50k weight
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (16.3-.25*50)/(678)*112.8
gribble: 0.632212389381
TheNewDeal: ;;calc ((16.3-.25*50)/(678)*112.8)/(1-.25)
gribble: 0.842949852507
TheNewDeal: return of 84% for you
TheNewDeal: which would be drastically reduced from the 370%+ you have now
BingoBoingo: Looks like [ 53] No 50000 0.25000000 2.24095491 1.99095491 when added through BitBet.py
TheNewDeal: what are the last two columns?
BingoBoingo: The last two are return and then profit.
TheNewDeal: ok
TheNewDeal: ;;calc ((16.3-.25*50)/(678)*112.8)
gribble: 0.632212389381
TheNewDeal: if I send .25 btc to you representing 50k timeweight you would win .63 btc on No
TheNewDeal: that's probably undesireable then?
BingoBoingo: Very undesirable.
TheNewDeal: then I think we're both stuck to the waiting game
BingoBoingo: I might be amenable to .33 BTC at 25000 weight... the line looks like No 25000 0.33000000 1.65041127 1.32041127
TheNewDeal: the thing is I have to take in my whole stake
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (197/2937)*(19.5)-.33
gribble: 0.977967313585
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (197/2937)*(19.5)-.33/(5.6+.33)
gribble: 1.25231807244
TheNewDeal: ;;calc ((197/2937)*(19.5)-.33)/(5.6+.33)
gribble: 0.164918602628
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (.33*25/678)*112.8
gribble: 1.37256637168
TheNewDeal: ;;calc ((.33*25/678)*112.8)/(5.6+.33)
gribble: 0.231461445477
TheNewDeal: ;;calc ((16.3-.33*25)/678)*112.8
gribble: 1.3392920354
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (((16.3-.33*25)/678)*112.8)/(1-.33)
gribble: 1.99894333642
TheNewDeal: hmmm
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: The Bitbet.py numbers are a bit off for these new bets because it figures the new sum into the No pile.
TheNewDeal: I'm not using bitbet.py
TheNewDeal: I'm using the current no and yes totals
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0189761 = 0.3795 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: my return would be 16.5% on yes, -77% no
TheNewDeal: ;;calc 77/16.5
gribble: 4.66666666667
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I think you might be trying to complicate this thing more than it needs to be complicated.
TheNewDeal: arithmetic doesn't phase me
TheNewDeal: heres the thing
TheNewDeal: you bet later than i did, and on the less probable outcome (in my opinion)
TheNewDeal: so I really only have incentive to offer you less return to reduce your loss
TheNewDeal: and i'm trying to figure out exactly how much would reduce your return and also mitigate my losses in case of some rare event
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.072 = 0.216 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Ah, there's the problem. We're looking at different things. You have a large stake in a probable bet, and I'm willing to offer a hedge so you can avoid a total loss. I'd be willing to unload part of my position, but... I am not an insurance company.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7782 @ 0.00085435 = 6.6486 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: so let's say we wait 1 week
TheNewDeal: how do you think the outcome will look?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Maybe we wait a week. At the moment I think it looks like a bit like your side is more likely, but it is close to a coin flip.
TheNewDeal: no way it's a coin flip~
BingoBoingo: I think it is close.
TheNewDeal: the network has to average around 6% over 3 diff changes
BingoBoingo: Summer is coming and heat kills miners
BingoBoingo: And I only thing we are getting two changes
BingoBoingo: Last one might even go backwards
TheNewDeal: that's too far out to predict for me
BingoBoingo: I think it is going to be hard to add enough hashpower these next 34 days to keep up with dying equiptment and raise the difficulty all that much.
TheNewDeal: 6% over three changes is mincemeat
BingoBoingo: I just don't think we are getting that third change.
TheNewDeal: the last time there was a 6% change was ?
BingoBoingo: It's been a while
TheNewDeal: if we have 3 changes that take 13 days
TheNewDeal: we will still sneak in
TheNewDeal: this year it has typically taken 12.66 days per change
TheNewDeal: there's a lot of fudge room
TheNewDeal: i've gotta get some sleep here
TheNewDeal: long drive tomorrow
BingoBoingo: Sleep well then.
TheNewDeal: gnight
BingoBoingo: Sigh, I guess I'm going to have to explain how this longshots thing works...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [-]
punkman: BingoBoingo: what does your crystal ball say about http://bitbet.us/bet/812/atc-to-reach-block-50000-on-time/
assbot: BitBet - ATC to reach block 50000 on time :: 2.25 B (24%) on Yes, 7.05 B (76%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 weeks | weight: 51`392 (100`000 to 1)
BingoBoingo: punkman: Well considering ATC alternates between difficulty periods that take 4 days and those that take... much longer... No seems like a safe bet, but too safe.
punkman: that's why I went with Yes :P
BingoBoingo: Understandable.
punkman: I'm wondering if it will make sense for the Yes side to rent some extra hashing power at certain points
BingoBoingo: If the pot gets big enough.
punkman: you'd also make ATC to offset the costs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14691 @ 0.00085515 = 12.563 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Indeed. The most profitable move in ATC might be to bet large on yes, wait for people to match it and then add 1TH/s a week to ATC's baseline hashpower until the bet resolves.
punkman: BingoBoingo: is there a log of ATC diff changes somewhere?
BingoBoingo: Maybe blockr.io?
punkman: I don't see one
BingoBoingo: You may have to make one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07133337 = 0.856 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 96 @ 0.07060759 = 6.7783 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6626 @ 0.00085204 = 5.6456 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 305073 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1358 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 7 hours, 57 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12239240125.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.1057
BingoBoingo: OMG look at the review of everything that doesn't matter in an OS http://delightlylinux.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/xubuntu-14-04-released/
assbot: Xubuntu 14.04 Released | Delightly Linux
punkman: new icons !!!11!
punkman: that trash can definitely needs more work
fluffypony: yeah it's decidedly un-Apple
fluffypony: they should just pay for Apple people to work for them
fluffypony: but for free
fluffypony: because OSS
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Done right XFCE looks much better than OSx
fluffypony: such iconography
fluffypony: much transparency
fluffypony: wow
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Right looks something like https://unsee.cc/doparine/
assbot: Unsee — Free online private photo sharing
fluffypony: if I didn't know any better I would say that's OS X Guhurkagurkle
BingoBoingo: It's what makes sense on a widescree portable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0241695 = 0.4834 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Why have panels taking up scarce space at the top or bottom when they can go on the side (one of the things Unity got right)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.0718 = 1.5078 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 657.26, vol: 6171.06625581 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 647.99, vol: 4195.29581 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 664.5, vol: 6387.94177976 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 655.0, vol: 21.77758049 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 660.501105, vol: 4167.50820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 657.71523, vol: 4.62546371 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 665.967224, vol: 66.67940545 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
pankkake: tradition. because computers weren't in the broken 16:9 ratio
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Amazing how persistent these things can be.
pankkake: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/06/09/2229236/nsf-researcher-suspended-for-mining-bitcoin
assbot: NSF Researcher Suspended For Mining Bitcoin - Slashdot
pankkake: $150,000 worth of NSF-supported computer use at the two universities to generate bitcoins worth about $8,000 to $10,000
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2227051 BTC [-]
jurov: BingoBoingo asciilifeform according to pediwikia gallium is incredibly sticky and messy once it melts, and rather poisonous...so, no chains nor cutlery
jurov: so it'd be best stored in glass containers..and how do you ascertain it wasn't amalgamated with mercury or such?
jurov: oh btw it also soaks readily into other metals and weakens them
davout: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/0cb9ba2e-efcc-11e3-bee7-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz34DITpSFv
assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
davout: do i read this one correctly or is euronext valued somewhere around a fifth of whatsapp
davout: or 2/3 of snapchat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0711 = 0.4977 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1351 @ 0.000353 = 0.4769 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0712 = 0.2136 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 89 @ 0.002 = 0.178 BTC
jurov: http://ccsinjection.lepidum.co.jp/blog/2014-06-05/CCS-Injection-en/index.html
assbot: How I discovered CCS Injection Vulnerability (CVE-2014-0224) - OpenSSL #ccsinjection Vulnerability
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu not upgrading will not help in all cases: http://ccsinjection.lepidum.co.jp/blog/2014-06-05/CCS-Injection-en/index.html
assbot: How I discovered CCS Injection Vulnerability (CVE-2014-0224) - OpenSSL #ccsinjection Vulnerability
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: apparently nobody has deeper knowledge of the tls protocol
nkuttler: joesmoe: !up works for me
pankkake: !up Bobby_Lee
nkuttler: !up joesmoe
nkuttler: there
joesmoe: you're doing that toa ssbot in PM right?
joesmoe: i'm trying that but getting no reply.
pankkake: it replies in a notice
joesmoe: ahhhh maybe i'm not getting these notices because of BNC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00085684 = 3.8558 BTC [+]
nkuttler: joesmoe: you should sort it out, my !up is only for 30 minutes
joesmoe: yeah i know
joesmoe: anybody have any information on how to use assbot? Do I have to be auth'd with gribble with GPG or can i be bc authd?
joesmoe: i've never setup GPG with gribble
joesmoe: 11:36] joesmoe: ;;whoami
joesmoe: [11:36] gribble: I don't recognize you.
davout: ;;google trilema assets +m
gribble: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/>; Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/>; Ca tot… sa tras tot sa fumat tot sa baut tot cum e peste tot ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras- (1 more message)
jurov: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
davout: fails
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0712 = 0.1424 BTC [+]
joesmoe: okay great, so i do need to setup gpg with gribble.
joesmoe: how do i get this key its asking me to put it in?
joesmoe: it can't be my entire pub key as that is too long
jurov: it's in the wiki above
joesmoe: says i'm already registered anyhow
jurov: ;;ident joesmoe
joesmoe: ;;ident joesmoe
gribble: Nick 'joesmoe', with hostmask 'joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net', is identified as user 'joesmoe', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AqzP6zLMc4T4KavveXXrcyQoA63tbhyF3
gribble: Nick 'joesmoe', with hostmask 'joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net', is identified as user 'joesmoe', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AqzP6zLMc4T4KavveXXrcyQoA63tbhyF3
jurov: you're regged with bitcoin address
jurov: to add gpg key to registration, use ;;gpg eregister
jurov: and the fingerprint can be got with
joesmoe: oh its the fingerprint okay i have that
jurov: gpg -k --fingerprint
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013
joesmoe: yup i didn't realize the "long key" was the same as fingerprint
jurov: ^^ whoever can edit the wiki, pls add the tidbit
joesmoe: joesmoe: ;;gpg eregister joesmoe 5A307B3E601C5363
joesmoe: [11:51] gribble: Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.
joesmoe: and since i don't have any trust with assbot, does that mean that he won't voice me?
joesmoe: ;;getinfo joesmoe
gribble: Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.
joesmoe: ;;gettrust joemsoe
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joesmoe to user joemsoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joesmoe&dest=joemsoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joemsoe | Rated since: never
joesmoe: why does it say not authenticated
joesmoe: i am authenticated
pankkake: you would have to auth with the bitcoin address first, to add the gpg key
joesmoe: i already did
pankkake: ;;ident joesmoe
gribble: Nick 'joesmoe', with hostmask 'joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net', is identified as user 'joesmoe', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AqzP6zLMc4T4KavveXXrcyQoA63tbhyF3
joesmoe: ...
pankkake: you made a typo in your previous command
joesmoe: where?
pankkake: "joemsoe"
joesmoe: ahh thanks
joesmoe: ;;gettrust joesmoe
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user joesmoe to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 32 via 20 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joesmoe&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013
joesmoe: oh well i give up for now
joesmoe: i have no idea how to do this
joesmoe: i need add the pgp key but am not sure how
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 219 @ 0.07061468 = 15.4646 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.02414707 = 0.4105 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0698 = 0.4886 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0008585 = 5.4086 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.024173 = 0.1209 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.024173 = 0.2659 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6752 @ 0.00085684 = 5.7854 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0691875 = 0.2768 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8732 @ 0.00085356 = 7.4533 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves congrats, ATC is on here - http://mapofcoins.com
assbot: Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: "I am going to be Bitcoin Entrepreneur soon,as i creates ideas for bitcoin and its projects.I have also given ideas to CEX.io and Coinbase and they are reviewing and forwarding to their teams.Now i am looking for any platform that accepts my ideas and buy.Is there any platform which cares user ideas and thoughts."
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634283.0
assbot: Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev?
fluffypony: lol
punkman: gotta be a troll
punkman: "I have many ideas about Bitcoin business but no one is caring me.Only CEX cares my ideas and innovation.I want to deal with persons in this forum"
fluffypony: ;;later tell frankenmint good post - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634283.msg7160845#msg7160845
assbot: Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10379 @ 0.0008585 = 8.9104 BTC [+]
penguirker: New blog post: http://theumlaut.com/2014/06/10/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains/
punkman: http://fuckco.in/external/flyer/ny_800.jpg
fluffypony: wut
fluffypony: black and white posters printed on the office laserjet and stuck up on lamp posts is real legit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1115 @ 0.00085321 = 0.9513 BTC [-]
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251423.msg7223441#msg7223441
assbot: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement
fluffypony: lol
pankkake: "It's like fat camp for your wallet." :D
pankkake: this deserves to be reused
fluffypony: yeah I thought that post was great
fluffypony: "Mhm, I met Garr a couple months back in real life.. Can anyone give me a summary of what happened?"
fluffypony: "Well to sum things up, he changed millions of dollars into few cents and advised us to go out running and apply a holistic approach to the situation."
fluffypony: the forum is a gold mine today!
kakobrekla: slander
pankkake: it seems the newcomers barely know how to write
chetty: reading and writing are rapidly becoming lost arts
chetty: case in point, people as here right off about how to get voice, and its in the chan topic, you can't miss it
kakobrekla: <chetty> reading and writing are rapidly becoming lost arts < even though more words gets written and read than ever before each day
chetty: write yes, not so sure about read
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pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/567/simona-halep-to-win-roland-garros/#c3022 haha
assbot: BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros :: 1.03 B (14%) on Yes, 6.22 B (86%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 day ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7935 @ 0.00085227 = 6.7628 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: oh wow, someone took a dump in propositions
jurov: Upcoming availability: bitcoin.dating bitcoin.partners bitcoin.productions
jurov: i like it.. but... 147,44 eur?
kakobrekla: cant they make it any longer
jurov: the .partners
kakobrekla: just buy .bit and kill namecoin
jurov: .bit is 4sale?
jurov: One or more of the domain names in your order contain a registered trademark. DAFUQ
jurov: bitcoin is registered trademark nao
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: do buttcoin then
jurov: buttcoin.partners?
kakobrekla: legit
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/KKu38Xr.jpg
punkman: branded night...
jurov: btc.democrat Available
jurov: btc.fail Available (anyone? - but still in sunrise)
jurov: kakobrekla: you should apply for .milk
kakobrekla: hehe
punkman: god, so many of them http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/statistics
assbot: Program Statistics | ICANN New gTLDs
punkman: i guess google is gonna love it
danielpbarron: Namecoin is more than .bit; .bit is just the d/ namespace
kakobrekla: d/ ?
danielpbarron: if you register the name d/kakobrekla it will corespond to kakobrekla.bit
danielpbarron: you could instead register id/kakobrekla and it won't give you a .bit, but something else
kakobrekla: who issues tlds there
danielpbarron: nobody; i think you could make up your own as long as you write the interface for it
kakobrekla: aha
danielpbarron: there could be a g/ for gribble usernames, or if g/ is already used, gribble/
danielpbarron: i might be using the wrong slash; it's been a while
punkman: is .bit reserved by ICANN or something? no applications for it
danielpbarron: punkman, nope
danielpbarron: you have to hack your settings to get .bit domains to resolve
punkman: yeah I know
danielpbarron: (why nobody uses it)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [-]
punkman: wouldn't be nice to have to change everything if .bit gets sold
punkman: I guess .onions are in the same boat though
kakobrekla: namecoin should prolly be a browser extension at this point
Apocalyptic: they have one afaik
punkman: do they have something more low level? so you don't need a plugin for every app
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6657 @ 0.00085715 = 5.706 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: there is a radio host who got obsessed with Namecoin for a time, and caused a couple applications to get written: FreeSpeechMe, and MeowBit
jurov: punkman there's <name>.dot-bit.org or such
danielpbarron: freespeechme is a firefox plugin; meowbit is a windows-only system-wide thing
danielpbarron: but he got tired of Namecoin and is shilling for bitshares now
Apocalyptic: heh
danielpbarron: actually lately he hasn't really mentioned crypto-stuff at all, which is good; I was giving him a hard time for this stuff on twitter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23534 @ 0.00085203 = 20.0517 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg7231252#msg7231252 at least the whole thing made someone smarter. not sure about the rest of them though
assbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]
pankkake: danielpbarron: i've seen a few of those cases; overly enthusiastic towards things they don't fully understand
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 601 @ 0.00206714 = 1.2424 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-03/retailers-use-big-data-to-turn-you-into-a-big-spender.html
assbot: Retailers Use Big Data to Turn You Into a Big Spender - Bloomberg
jurov: so they just send you stuff and expect you to eventually pay later?
jurov: dare they try in eastern eu
fluffypony: !up drawingthesun
fluffypony: ;;get trust drawingthesun
gribble: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
fluffypony: ;;gettrust drawingthesun
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user drawingthesun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=drawingthesun | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=drawingthesun | Rated since: never
drawingthesun: Hey
fluffypony: drawingthesun: you need to get in the WoT
fluffypony: because you don't have to read months and months worth of threads
drawingthesun: haha
fluffypony: you just have to be here and read the conversation
fluffypony: pretty much every security ever has been covered at length
drawingthesun: I shudder to think what people have said about ActiveMining here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0257 = 0.257 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02577 = 0.2577 BTC [+]
fluffypony: heh
fluffypony: ;;google ken slaughter site:log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: NEXT: 09-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log - bitcoin-assets.com: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014&bots=true>; NEXT: 26-07-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 09-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014>
pankkake: the logs are public but I don't remember that much
pankkake: actually there might have been a year ago, when I wasn't very active
jurov: 21:33:19 pankkake:so… investors are going to make a KILLING
jurov: from one of above links
jurov: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02578 = 0.2578 BTC [+]
drawingthesun: pankkake, haha how are you going?
pankkake: I'm ok. I guess. lol
pankkake: jurov: I didn't even understand my joke at first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.02579999 = 0.3354 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: o yea now i get it too.
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jurov: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 40 @ 0.0259999 = 1.04 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: there's laughter in every slaughter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.02659999 = 0.5586 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: lol
kakobrekla: slander
fluffypony: now you too can own a piece of an Australian hair salon
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=646708.0
assbot: [ANN] Klippt -Bitcoin IPO - Limited shares, dividends paid quarterly.
drawingthesun: what do you lot think about NEMstake on Nxt asset exchange? Anyone following NEM development?
kakobrekla: the investors will make a KLIPPING
pankkake: is it a vietnamese restaurant?
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fluffypony: !b 3 ✂︎
fluffypony: needs moar context in the bash, ah well
pankkake: oh klippt is like a word play on "clip"?
kakobrekla: ya
fluffypony: pankkake: it's apparently Swedish for haircut or something
fluffypony: http://www.klippt.com.au/ipod.pdf
pankkake: French hair salons love word plays in their names. it's ridiculous
davout: "there's laughter in every slaughter" <<< thank you, if that was the joke, i get it too nao
kakobrekla: lol
davout: but if it wasn't, such shame
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0268 = 0.268 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Damn the US fucked everything up for Bitcoin users here.
fluffypony: did they ban China?
davout: bitcoin banned china again?
fluffypony: BitChina banned coin
thestringpuller: The cost of liquidity is too high for most vendors...
thestringpuller: Coinbase wants 1% which is pretty much what most niggas pay for CC processing
thestringpuller: Bitpay wants fucking 2
fluffypony: now is the time to move away from liquidity and go towards solidity
thestringpuller: And it's on the low side of the bid
fluffypony: thestringpuller: Bitpay is 1% on starter, else $30/month no fees
davout: "1% which is pretty much what most niggas pay for CC processing" <<< it really depends
thestringpuller: so they finally are doing flat fees
pankkake: I don't know many who have only 1% for CC
pankkake: or no monthly fee
davout: pankkake: it's usually lower in france
thestringpuller: I guess I'm just bitter since back in the day I could buy BTC pretty much at market price with 0.5% in fees.
pankkake: really? perhaps I've only seen higher rates but maybe banks like to fuck small businesses
davout: the fees can explode depending on your business and your fraud profile
pankkake: oh
los_pantalones: thestringpuller what is market rate?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.217161 = 1.0858 BTC [-] {3}
davout: gambling & porn is usually > 6% i hear
fluffypony: thestringpuller: yeah, they've been doing flat pricing for a while already - https://bitpay.com/pricing
assbot: Pricing | BitPay
fluffypony: $30/month gives you up to $10k daily
thestringpuller: yea i just looked
thestringpuller: ;;calc 30 /10000
gribble: 0.003
thestringpuller: not bad
davout: fluffypony: it's not really flat -> Up to $100,000 daily
thestringpuller: i'd rather just have a continuous supplier like a miner I can just pay
thestringpuller: i want to migrate my fiat income stream into bitcoin
thestringpuller: but it costs too much!
xmj: thestringpuller: have you looked into coinvoice?
davout: thestringpuller: what is it you're doing ?
fluffypony: davout: apparently even their Enterprise packages for > $100k daily are flat fee and not %
thestringpuller: my business runs in fiat and I want to migrate the operating revenue into btc
davout: well, why don't they give a price then ?
los_pantalones: thestringpuller what rate do you think is market rate?
davout: thestringpuller: that i got, wasn't the question tho :)
los_pantalones: i could sell you btc every day, settle net 7 or net 15
thestringpuller: lol davout i've been developing a cookie company but we want to migrate our profits into btc
los_pantalones: but i want to know what you think the going price is
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 647.37, Best ask: 650.21, Bid-ask spread: 2.84000, Last trade: 650.21, 24 hour volume: 7067.58768279, 24 hour low: 641.01, 24 hour high: 657.41, 24 hour vwap: 649.718914435
los_pantalones: so you think bitstamp is the market rate ?
los_pantalones: where are you located ?
thestringpuller: US
thestringpuller: here it's a bit higher
davout: fluffypony: if it's $30 for < $10,000/day, $300 for < $100k, $3000 for < $1mn that's still a percentage
thestringpuller: think Coinbase is 656
fluffypony: davout: ah I see what you mean
davout: it just has a 0,3% floor
los_pantalones: so you would like to pay coinbase daily ?
los_pantalones: or you think that is too high ?
davout: thestringpuller: oic, weren't you supposed to send me a cookie for some reason i forgot?
davout: :D
los_pantalones: company i work for provides btc liquidity to businesses, we settle net 7 or net 15
los_pantalones: if you are interested
thestringpuller: yea davout we are in R&D got held up. the chef is going to bonnaroo this week. Took me a lot to train him.
thestringpuller: should be a semi colon after R&D
thestringpuller: My lawyer was supposed to have me import/export papers on perhishables by now too...
thestringpuller: fluffypony informed me yesterday of the harsh import laws
pankkake: just sell your cookies on the darknets
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: CookieRoad
thestringpuller: Don't they open packages at customs?
thestringpuller: I don't sell outside the US just sending you and MP cookies.
pankkake: if you write "electronics" they still it and claim it's lost, otherwise usually not
pankkake: steal*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7022 @ 0.00085125 = 5.9775 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: France sounds annoying.
thestringpuller: Well their shipping practices.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2357051 BTC [+]
pankkake: shipping food *to* the US is the hard thing actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0269 = 0.269 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 59 @ 0.02699994 = 1.593 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0274875 = 0.4398 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02779 = 0.5558 BTC [+] {2}
Blazedout419: must be some good news on Scrypt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 80 @ 0.02799 = 2.2392 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.23797814 = 1.1899 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02418799 = 0.1209 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.028 = 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.024188 = 0.1209 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.02931666 = 0.8795 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02999798 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.029998 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02999999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> ;;later tell ThickAsThieves congrats, ATC is on here - http://mapofcoins.com --- neat! back to lumberjacking...
assbot: Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02437042 = 0.1462 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "The biggest reason why the bug hasn’t been found for over 16 years is that code reviews were insufficient, especially from experts who had experiences with TLS/SSL implementation. "
mircea_popescu: fucking joke.
pankkake: mapofcoins is missing Bernankoin :( how do I submit?
mircea_popescu: madofcoins ?
pankkake: madoffcoins?
mircea_popescu: "allows man-in-the-middle attackers to trigger use of a zero-length master key"
mircea_popescu: you know, when i said the power rangers are too stupid to be on the internet and they said i'm just being evil, because they're about as smart as everyone else derping about "open source software" we were BOTH right
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise this at the time.
mircea_popescu: !up toddf
ThickAsThieves: <+thestringpuller> The cost of liquidity is too high for most vendors... //// Circle can eat their lunch if they play their cards right - things will start getting interesting when you can buy for zero fees
mircea_popescu: it's unavoidable. commodified market, players are of no particular valu
mircea_popescu: e
mike_c: zero fees = fees built into exchange rate.
Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 305122 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1309 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 35 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12339676924.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.96
mircea_popescu: mike_c how so ?
mike_c: circle does as much as it can to hide the exchange rate when you buy (from watching video)
jurov: um a dude from @dc-data.com.cn wrote to me that some company named VOLKAN Tech Ltd. wants to register zillion coinbr.TLD domains
jurov: whether we authorized it
mike_c: and i'm sure they just a few points off for their own pockets.
jurov: i replied that no
mircea_popescu: jurov classical spam
mike_c: *shave
jurov: and he replied "okay, you should register them yourself"
jurov: so, not legit you say
mircea_popescu: mike_c trying to be paypal. except they won't be able to
mircea_popescu: paypal has this thing where govts prosecute its competition
mike_c: jurov: no. dime a dozen scam. i throw those out on a weekly basis
mircea_popescu: jurov one of the more common finds when i review my spamtraps
mike_c: i like better the scam where they just send you a bill
mike_c: in the hopes that a clueless worker bee will pay it.
jurov: ok, i got such for first time
mircea_popescu: mike_c kinda how circle's shaving points work
mircea_popescu: in the hopes a clueless buyer will just think a ok it's what itis
mike_c: yes
mike_c: zero fees!
pankkake: http://slashdot.org/story/14/06/10/0336202/godaddy-files-for-100-million-ipo
assbot: GoDaddy Files For $100 Million IPO - Slashdot
mike_c: anybody in here have an account and try it out?
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
mircea_popescu: godaddy 100mn after whatsapp 20bn ? are they insane ?
mircea_popescu: was it100bn ?
pankkake: GoDaddy hasn't made a profit since 2009. The company lost $279 million in 2012. It bled another $200 million last year. This year doesn't look much better, with another $51 million lost in the first quarter
pankkake: so, they're the twitter of domains
los_pantalones: how does godaddy lose money ?
los_pantalones: wtf
mike_c: that might be raising $100m, not the valuation
mike_c: "The company said it would raise $100 million, but that is just a placeholder until closer to the offering date."
xmj: godaddy throws money away on superbowls
los_pantalones: but that's maybe 10mm
ThickAsThieves: ticker should be GOD Y
asciilifeform: jurov: so it'd be best stored in glass containers..and how do you ascertain it wasn't amalgamated with mercury << there's the beauty. melting point. no way to fake Ga melting point and have anything like the density.
asciilifeform: jurov: and it can stay in the bottle.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.02854545 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: you can't easily measure the volume while it's inside the bottle
mircea_popescu: pankkake more of this fudingyou learned on btc forum i see.
asciilifeform: jurov: s/bottle/ampoule (full ampoule)
asciilifeform: measure like archimedes
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones by hiring uglychicks to weart its tshirt ?
xmj: waaat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you sur e ? eutectic is a thing
jurov: if it's full one needs to solve the thermal expansion problem and still., also measuring the wall thickness accurately
mircea_popescu: jurov a glass bottle can't be full of a metal ffs.
jurov: too many things that can go bad.. i'm keeping my bricks, thanks
jurov: if you can design "datskovskiy's container" that solves all of above properly, maybe that will be the thing you'll be remembered for
jurov: not for some computer science masturbation
jurov: ;)
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you can find me a eutectic solder that melts anywhere near 30C (but not liquid at room temp like Hg) i'll buy it right now.
asciilifeform: many useful applications.
mircea_popescu: but maybe the reason that ive not found it is that your buying doesn't compare with 8 millenia of trying to defraud the currency
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: there was something like wood's metal that did 80, i think
asciilifeform: at any rate, Hg has >2x the density of Ga. and the latter, unlike Hg, won't boil on a gas flame.
asciilifeform: so plenty of simple tests, once you pick a suitable container.
jurov: there are other amalgams not suitable as solder, but for faking gallium in closed container something can be certainly though of
jurov: *thought
jurov: just to remind, the whole discussion started about ease of handling/verification vs. gold/silver bricks
asciilifeform: the only reason no one would even try this crap is the point mentioned earlier (100% of present-day use is industrial, mostly as GaAs semiconductor, fluctuating demand)
mircea_popescu: more's the point, you've not had the benefit of manyyear's worth of having thought about what the people trying to fake it might have thought about
mircea_popescu: i think this problem is often misrepresented by all the young cocks starting new things.
asciilifeform: that's actually the part that intrigues me - how do we fake gallium
asciilifeform: because i could really use some
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the definityion of a fake is not being useful.
asciilifeform: well, 'fake' in this case is, achieve the melting point, with a well-conductive substance
asciilifeform: (incidentally ampoule could include electrodes for testing conductivity
asciilifeform: )
jurov: now that's something
mircea_popescu: prolly best so far, because you can measure resistance etc
asciilifeform: but in that case the ampoule could not be full. you must be able to tilt it, to expose electrode (perhaps a scammer simply placed a resistor there)
asciilifeform: of course, resistor could be trivially exposed with frequency sweep / bode plot (skin effect on Ga blob != impedence of ordinary resistor)
jurov: also one needs to verify there is no cavity or tungsten bar placed in the middle
asciilifeform: lol! jurov, look at periodic table
asciilifeform: but yes, people would at least try. so, contents of flask must pour freely.
asciilifeform: verify that liquid.
asciilifeform: ideal container would probably be a toroid, half-empty
mircea_popescu: you cant really fake metal to electrodes
mircea_popescu: but yes a ring of ga.
mircea_popescu: sounds pretty cool actually
asciilifeform: with Au probes
asciilifeform: incidentally!
asciilifeform: you could weigh the metal purely electronically
asciilifeform: if you have two electrodes, put a current through it, while surrounded by electromagnet, it will move x cm up the ring in response to Y amps...
davout: thestringpuller: "France sounds annoying." <<< wait until you hear french people
asciilifeform: why do any of this - is 'exercise for alert reader' of course.
mircea_popescu: more like putridly rich reader.
asciilifeform: http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-or-two-ounces-of-Contaminated-Gallium-Liquid-Metal-READ-/321427316761?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad68fa019
assbot: One or Two Ounces of Contaminated Gallium Liquid Metal Read | eBay
asciilifeform: anyone who remembers school chemistry will understand that impurities lower melting point
asciilifeform: Ga is ~250 usd/kg, atm
asciilifeform: (small supply + small demand)
mircea_popescu: hm.
chetty: http://www.ponzitracker.com/main/2014/6/9/new-york-man-faces-criminal-charges-for-17-million-ponzi-sch.html
assbot: New York Man Faces Criminal Charges For $17 Million Ponzi Scheme - Ponzitracker - Ponzitracker
mircea_popescu: mike_c how about a btc fund that buys gallium ? :D
asciilifeform: we could use Nd magnets as coin...
asciilifeform: try fake Nd magnet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23799989 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: maybe you should be head of mint.
asciilifeform: (anyone seriously thinking about bidding up Ga should remember that it is a strategic metal - radar sets live and die by GaAs diodes. so anyone who fucks with the supply is liable to Can Also Have Problems) ☟︎
mike_c: mircea_popescu: lol. i'm in!
mike_c: honestly i would rather see a btc investment that bought commodities rather than real estate. with the REITS I feel like people are expecting a BTC return. no one would think that with a commodity fund (similar to x.eur).
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00429980 / 0.00441359 / 0.00449890 (14 shares, 0.06179020 BTC), 7D: 0.00351101 / 0.0038605 / 0.00469990 (1234 shares, 4.76386086 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00524007 / 0.00710000 (6290 shares, 32.96001124 BTC)
mike_c: wow, bit of a rebound
mike_c: not back to ipo price yet, but still.
mike_c: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021639 BTC (Total: 432.79 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o wow it dropped ?
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.56965722 BTC; +0.09045396 BTC (+0.0531%) since last check 22h 25m 29s ago.
mircea_popescu: hm wtf
mike_c: eurusd is a tough market.
mircea_popescu: did panacea take it in teh butts ?
mike_c: yeah
mircea_popescu: THIS IS MILK
mircea_popescu: wow almost a full % huh
mircea_popescu: well you can't have it all
asciilifeform: TLS/SSL bug... hasn?t been found for over 16 years << don't blame the fscking mice...
mircea_popescu: mike_c mind making the columns on your splendid tracker red and green ?
mike_c: sure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ?
mircea_popescu: i will blame the mice.
asciilifeform: mice belong in mousetrap, yes. but the kitchen remains filthy.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: ;;google don't blame the mice
gribble: Loper OS » Don't Blame the Mice.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299>; OF MICE & MEN LYRICS - Blame It - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ofmicemen/blameit.html>; Misleading results: don't blame the mice.: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24458625>
mircea_popescu: blaming the mice is an excellent strategy.
mircea_popescu: it encourages the mice to organise and clean up your kitchen
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: something sans pareil in all otherapproaches.
mircea_popescu: i ordinarily punish people for things they perceive are "well outside their control"
mircea_popescu: so does nature.
asciilifeform must've had defective mice
mircea_popescu: or not enough patience, or not enough cruelty.
mircea_popescu: the only way to establish which of the three is to be abundant with the last two
mircea_popescu: the only ones under your own control.
asciilifeform killed the last two mice in old flat with own hands, still had to... clean after
jurov: btw, how it went with the robin?
mike_c: you didn't see last pic?
jurov: not
mike_c: http://imgur.com/o2HcssV
assbot: Kitteh - Imgur
jurov: kthanks
asciilifeform: bird went in cat.
fluffypony: LOL!
mike_c: bird gets 2014 darwin award
fluffypony: that cat is like "thanks for lunch"
asciilifeform: i knew i could rely on that particular cat
asciilifeform: but it only comes at dusk.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27rsv8/confirmed_blockchaininfo_shared_coin_is_broken/
assbot: Confirmed: blockchain.info Shared Coin is broken : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: "There used to be something called Shared Send, which was an actual taintless bitcoin mixer and not just a CoinJoin plausible-deniability transaction obfuscator.
ThickAsThieves: For a while, Shared Send was the only option. Then SharedCoin was introduced and for a while they were both available in the blockchain.info wallet.
ThickAsThieves: Then, Shared Send was discontinued. Even the old URL for Shared Send (https://blockchain.info/wallet/send-shared) redirects to their SharedCoin page now."
mircea_popescu: noobs and poor people are not allowed to have good tools.
asciilifeform poor with good tools. not impossible.
asciilifeform: noobs - sure.
mircea_popescu: which is why isortedin tht order :p
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3241654125513898@naggum.no.html
assbot: Re: becoming a better programmer - Naggum cll archive
asciilifeform: '...what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as novel as they think it is...'
chetty: asciilifeform, a lot of that problem might actually be there are so few real experts
asciilifeform: chetty: somehow people once imagined that not having to travel over sea and through jungle to visit the experts - would solve this.
asciilifeform: it didn't.
chetty: nah the travel is better, earn your audience with an expert
asciilifeform: better - sure. but when you come across a lamer - he's already paying what a very reasonable education would cost - the price of his net connection.
asciilifeform: not everyone can apprentice with a master in meatspace, sure. but anyone could... read?
mircea_popescu: '...what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as novel as they think it is...' <<< quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: and the prescription for this disease is... rape.
mircea_popescu: people derping about how "we" should live in a world without rape conveniently tend to not mention that rape is in fact the only cure to the particular mental disease that constitutes their powerbase.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00085204 = 2.0449 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, not anyone could read anymore than anyone could magic.,
chetty: people can't be bothered to read mostly, much less evaluate the content in any reasonable manner
mircea_popescu: reading is not just techne is the problem. which is why there exists such a thing as the educated idiot.
mike_c: those of you who wanted trilema book: https://www.paperlater.com/
assbot: PaperLater
chetty likes this
chetty: save screen time and line the bird cage :)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: lol #bitcoin-wizards actuallyexists
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: didn't you know?
fluffypony: it's the /r/BitcoinSerious version of #bitcoin-dev
mircea_popescu: notrly.
mircea_popescu: ic
fluffypony: only the cool kids are there
fluffypony clearly isn't cool
mircea_popescu: course in my mind it's more like bitcoin-dev's johhny come lately attempt at making a bitcoin-assets without the ass in it
mircea_popescu: but what do i know.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87465820 BTC to 8`765 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
fluffypony: asciilifeform: thanks for the updated defective bird pic, it has come in handy - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7234573#msg7234573
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]
thestringpuller: lol deprived, whatever happened to him?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well left todd a tell, curious what'll come of that.
thestringpuller: not enough female ass in bitcoin assets
fluffypony: I like Peter Todd, I feel like his efforts are wasted / stymied by many others around him
mircea_popescu: i like him too, and feel thesame way
mircea_popescu: now if only he liked himself, he could be done with all that.
jborkl: wait Usagi lost access to his wallet ? he is still around?
mircea_popescu: sure, he's inventing the future of crypto
mircea_popescu: much like amir taaki
mircea_popescu: etc.
jborkl: maybe he can sell his skateboard this time
jborkl: he already sold his guitar
mircea_popescu: princessnell "Visions receive more attention than game plans. We know we want to “decentralize,” at least. Growing pains notwithstanding, the old ways simply will not do. Power corrupts, we are reminded from birth. The worst get on top, fewer learn later. Men are not angels but too many of them still run the world. No, our doomed synthetic seraphocracy must go." your prose needs better ligature.
fluffypony: jborkl: to quote usagi - "You guys have no idea how badly you've screwed up trying to troll people to get ahead, and all the junk lies that you are telling."
fluffypony: we don't even KNOW
asciilifeform: fluffypony: lol
jborkl: I still do not know if he is the biggest idiot on the planet or just a scammer playing idiot
jborkl: he is too good at playing idiot to tell
chetty: jborkl> he is too good at playing idiot to tell// obama?
jborkl: he/she/both
jborkl: hehe
davout: jborkl: dotcoin is the same
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06920012 = 0.5536 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: http://www.valuedinvesting.com/overview.php
assbot: Valued Investing | Socially Conscious Online Financial Advisor
mircea_popescu: who's that ?
benkay: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: That explains the problem historically, but not why it persists. // see also smbx
benkay: <BingoBoingo> fluffypony: Done right XFCE looks much better than OSx // care to share shots of your setup?
asciilifeform: benkay: the wm 'ratpoison', imho, looks better than osx. i.e., it doesn't draw extraneous crud on the display at all...
asciilifeform: no window borders, no buttons, no clocks... nothing
benkay: i have to admin, i tend to eschew the window mgr in favor of...emacs. app-tab over to...browsers.
asciilifeform: benkay: think emacs but for all x11 progs
benkay: i've been concerned about a wm stomping on my emacs bindings, and losing a week to fixing it.
benkay: granted this pernicious notion was planted in my head by the notorious lee, so i don't know if it carries any water.
asciilifeform: 'ratpoison' doesn't - but if it did, all you'd have to do is change its own bindings (they're all configurable)
benkay: i'd hope.
benkay: have you tried xmonad?
asciilifeform: it's something like 50kb of c
asciilifeform: xmonad draws on screen, ugh.
benkay: vs?
benkay: do forgive my ignorance.
asciilifeform: vs ratpoison
asciilifeform: which doesn't
asciilifeform: it only gives other things a place to live
benkay: sure but what does rp do that's so different?
asciilifeform: only this
benkay: what's the difference between drawing on the screen and giving things a place to live?
asciilifeform: there are other tiling wm, but they all seem to insist on being 'better' - i.e. actually outputting something extra
benkay: displays are *way* out of my weelhouse.
asciilifeform: benkay: perhaps i did not explain well. most wm actually draw something of their own on the screen - window boundaries, toggles, clocks, etc.
benkay: ah that's what you mean by draw things.
asciilifeform: rp doesn't - all it does is reposition x11 windows created by other progs
benkay: i understand now, thank you.
FabianB: !t m F.MPIF
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021703 / 0.00021703 / 0.00021703 (1000 shares, 0.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00021548 / 0.0002161 / 0.00021725 (15601 shares, 3.37 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
mircea_popescu: Low Management Fee 0.6%
mircea_popescu: omfg god help us
chetty: http://www.fbi.gov/pittsburgh/press-releases/2014/former-mingo-judge-sentenced-to-more-than-four-years-in-federal-prison
assbot: FBI — Former Mingo Judge Sentenced to More Than Four Years in Federal Prison
asciilifeform: chetty: i'd be surprised if every judge in usa weren't guilty of these and other crimes. but this one is removed. --> for reasons.
thestringpuller: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021641 BTC (Total: 432.83 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.238 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what did he do again ?
chetty: asciilifeform, every little bit helps
TomServo: The sentence comes after Thornsbury admitted his role in a conspiracy to coerce a local drug defendant, George White, into firing his defense counsel.
asciilifeform: chetty: what i'm suggesting is that this particular specimen 'needed to have problems' - for some reason obviously not stated in the gov. press release.
asciilifeform: the others remain on their thrones, on account of their 'playing ball'
chetty: sigh, prolly true - charge should read, fails to play ball
benkay: !up blackwhite_
asciilifeform: a lizard goes to the clink when a fatter, more senior lizard wishes it, and not at any other time
mircea_popescu: o yea
benkay: ;;google trilema assets +m
gribble: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/>; Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/>; Ca tot… sa tras tot sa fumat tot sa baut tot cum e peste tot ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: TomServo the best part is where they discuss how "a stiff sentence was appropriate" and then the sentence is... 4 years.
mircea_popescu: what happened to death ?
asciilifeform: chicoms cornered the market
mircea_popescu: heh
chetty: 4 years in fed country club at that
TomServo: right. And the guy with 15 years gets no reprieve?
mircea_popescu: TomServo ikr ? stiff sentence my ass.
asciilifeform: want public firing squad, gotta go to cn, just like for cheap pcbs.
pankkake: I'm not sure sentences work at all
pankkake: the general thinking is "I'll get away with it"
chetty: depends what they are supposed to do
asciilifeform: pankkake: it 'worked' in this case - for removal of troublesome bureaucrat by another of his species
pankkake: sure, but the prison sentence isn't useful in that way. will this teach other bureaucrats?
chetty: bing0! asciilifeform you got it, they are indeed a whole different species
asciilifeform: what kind of trouble warranted his removal - and by whom, in actuality, he was removed - we (or at least i) do not know
asciilifeform: btw this kind of thing is a schoolbook example of what 'xxxx can also have problems' means.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did anyone ever step up to your 'judge biography' challenge?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't help but wonder where this one stood
TomServo: Oh yeah, that rings a bell. What was the bounty on that?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the unfortunat experience of mr white, the fuckwit who listened to the usg, withdrew his charges against usg agents and is now serving 15 years should be very illuminating to every other us citizen
mircea_popescu: if you do what your government tells you to do you will end up with a life in prison sentence
mircea_popescu: this is what your government exists for : to put you in prison, for life.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.238 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: never, ever, under any circumstances do what any agency tells you. not the sec, not the irs, not the judge, no one.
mircea_popescu: do the fucking opposite.
mircea_popescu: you'll probablystill go to jail, but note that STILL in there.
mircea_popescu: and at least you get tyo have some fun.
chetty: do not go quietly into that long night
asciilifeform: what really boggles my mind is all the folks (e.g. a. schwartz) who were turned loose, with the understanding that they'll report to jail at appointed hour, etc. and no radio collar, etc.; now, they probably won't be permitted in an airport, but mexico is not so far...
thestringpuller: or make yourself disappear completely?
mircea_popescu: learned helplessness. is what makes domestic animals domestic
mircea_popescu: it's what makes herding possible
asciilifeform: insult to animals. they sometimes have the sense to run.
TomServo: or repeatly fly into a window
TomServo: repeatedly*
pankkake: some animals and even plants cannot be domesticated
asciilifeform: TomServo: that's the other kind of animal. reminiscent of the folks who still try to weasel their way into usa
asciilifeform: lol re: fbi 'most wanted' list's #10.
asciilifeform: lives openly and freely in moscow.
mircea_popescu: re bio challenge : no. but this wasn't a magistrate was he
asciilifeform: http://judgepedia.org/Michael_Thornsbury
assbot: Michael Thornsbury - Judgepedia
asciilifeform: right
Mats_cd03: exceedingly few animals are capable of domestication and tasty too
mircea_popescu: "[Judge Thornsbury] engaged in criminal conspiracies to violate the constitutional rights of victim R.W. . .Judge Thornsbury conspired to plant illegal drugs on R.W.'s pickup truck; to have R.W. arrested for thefts he did not commit; to commandeer a state grand jury and use it to oppress R.W. and his family; and, after an incident in which R.W. was the victim of an assault, to arrange for R.W., rather than the perpetra
mircea_popescu: tor, to receive an exceptionally harsh sentence"
mircea_popescu: this is four years.
asciilifeform: unrelated: cryptome: still dead.
mircea_popescu: and it doesn'teven end htere :
mircea_popescu: U.S. Magistrate Judge Dwane Tinsley set the arraignment for August 21, 2013 and released Thornsbury on a $10,000 unsecured bond.
TomServo: In the same article about the Mingo judge, they mention he tried to frame the husband of some woman he was fucking and was charged for that as well.
TomServo: No mention of sentencing in that case however.
mircea_popescu: ;;diff
gribble: 1.1756551916903952E10
mircea_popescu: hey, thenewdeal guy was pretty much spot on in theend ?
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,diff
gribble: Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0692002 = 0.4844 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bitbet-lol.jpg << some very smart people are discovering bitbet
mircea_popescu: who linked it on reddit ?
mike_c: ooh, is that the super-sekrit bitbet mod page?
fluffypony: "Who will clinch the ill trophy"
fluffypony votes yes
mike_c: needs moar css
fluffypony: mike_c: that's a good point
fluffypony: that backend will never succeed without proper CSS
fluffypony: and some JS animation
fluffypony: bitbet is doomed!
TomServo: ;;isitdown facebook.com
gribble: facebook.com is up
TomServo: whew
mircea_popescu: mike_c yup
mircea_popescu: it's actually a jool of functional functionality, kakobrekla just made it like this and it has needed very little fixing
mircea_popescu: serves the mods quite comfortable. i think the man is talented.
mike_c: kako doesn't understand job security
mike_c: if it just works they don't need you anymore.
fluffypony: he should have purposely crippled it
benkay remembers to go down to the server room and unplug some client hardware
Mats_cd03: ill unplug your hardware
Mats_cd03: with garden shears
Mats_cd03: replace hardware with dong
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/astronauts-new-songs/skydive
assbot: Skydive by Astronauts. on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
kakobrekla: i think thats the rendering from lynx.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1046 @ 0.0003565 = 0.3729 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: why so hostile, Mats_cd03
Mats_cd03: i found pubes in my cereal this morning
fluffypony: wow
fluffypony: fun
Mats_cd03: whats so special about docker
Mats_cd03: can somebody explain this to me
benkay: containers for the derpy
benkay: its f'n great.
Mats_cd03: and how is that different from a vps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.02987692 = 0.3884 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/jamesbaymusic/if-you-ever-want-to-be-in-love-1
assbot: If You Ever Want To Be In Love by James Bay on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.0299 = 0.6279 BTC [+]
benkay: a vps you rent from a virtualization provider, docker you install on some server you own to do your own virtualization?
asciilifeform: benkay: what's wrong with ordinary human sshd ?
asciilifeform: (tunnel mode)
asciilifeform: lemme guess, 'docker' comes with extra helping of derp?
benkay: what does sshd have to do with docker?
benkay: i use it to nail down environments for a single process
asciilifeform: benkay: docker you install on some server you own to do your own virtualization << this ?
FabianB: it's a tool to manage lxc containers for you, so kinda like a chroot with cgroups and snapshottable
asciilifeform: (never heard of it before)
benkay: i mean granted i don't know shit about shinola
asciilifeform: aha
benkay: yeah, what FabianB said
asciilifeform: ok thought it was vpn substitute
asciilifeform: for some reason
asciilifeform: nm
asciilifeform not quite awake, and doing 3 other things
FabianB: no, many run it inside a vps
fluffypony: I like to think of it as Bitcoin Testnet but for test environments
benkay: can be run inside a vps as well
thestringpuller: or on a toaster
fluffypony: or on Usagi's My First Backup System
punkman: they even have a conference http://www.dockercon.com/ derp
assbot: DockerCon 2014
benkay: conferences for actual tools aren't that bad of an idea compared to bitcoin conferences
punkman: i guess now that their vc money came in they can splurge a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23799999 = 0.714 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: how many talks about docker could one endure in two days though
mircea_popescu: from the life of a cryptolord :
mircea_popescu: mircea@inigo-montoya:/media/ce570767-bda1-4312-b09f-99a812e19f3e$ gpg 95bad940ebdc9bfcda86ea087d376ca179c59ebe
fluffypony: you killed my father! prepare to die!
mircea_popescu: now say it in md5 lol
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> if it just works they don't need you anymore. << i need him more when it works.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> conferences for actual tools aren't that bad of an idea compared to bitcoin conferences << agreed
mircea_popescu: <punkman> how many talks about docker could one endure in two days though << also agreed.
mircea_popescu: da fuck do i do now
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 648.85, Best ask: 650.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.15000, Last trade: 650.0, 24 hour volume: 6690.75594717, 24 hour low: 641.01, 24 hour high: 657.41, 24 hour vwap: 649.408442812
BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.62354623 BTC; +0.05388901 BTC (+0.0316%) since last check 3h 59m 57s ago.
BingoBoingo: I like the gallium torroid idea. I was thinking I might be useful for creating small bronze scultpures that could be remoulded almost like clay.
Mats_cd03: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANTaUnBeKyw
assbot: G. Love & Special Sauce - Nothing Quite Like Home - YouTube
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#711784 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: maybe good idea, but 'badBet'
asciilifeform: to use kako's terminology
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I think retaliation from the Gallium upbidding cartel could take the form of upbidding Indium. iPhones can have problems too.
kakobrekla: i thought it was english.
asciilifeform: it'd be a shame, though, GaAs is costly enough as it is.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, and so many aesthetic uses, Like a liquid metal fountain out in the garden.
asciilifeform: i'd leave this gedankenexperiment on the shelf. just because you can, doesn't mean that you must. but, on the other hand, nobody's gonna play tungsten games with 'gold' that's liquid at 30c.
BingoBoingo: It might take what, 1, 2 kilograms to fill a small fountain? The gallium might need changed out every couple seasons due to impurities?
BingoBoingo: benkay: My setup looks like that unsee.cc pic I linked to fluffypony
BingoBoingo: At least it does on the portable.
[]bot: Bet created: "Belgium to make Round of 16 at 2014 World Cup" http://bitbet.us/bet/889/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.238 = 0.476 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.239 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also helps to remember that this 'gold' is approximately as abundant as lead in the earth's crust. but, considerably more energy-costly to extract (byproduct of Al refinement)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, in that way it is like silver, but with a more predictable extraction rate.
asciilifeform: predictable until some bozo starts buying by the megaton.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.23996553 = 1.4398 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suggested it as 'coin' simply as thought experiment in generalizing the 'use-value' of btc. that is, material that cannot be confused with anything else (Hg, for instance, on top of being rather common, can be substituted with 'gallinstan' alloy. but you can't raise melting point of Ga by mixing in impurities - only lower it)
[]bot: Bet created: "Bayern beats Major League Soccer" http://bitbet.us/bet/890/
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/hashfast-reorganize-chapter-11-bankruptcy/
asciilifeform: a NdFeB or SmCo magnet would likewise make a very 'solid' coin, from that perspective
asciilifeform: testable as genuine with a dollar's worth of gear.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.02999999 = 0.9 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: no need to weigh it, even
asciilifeform: just squeeze it into a size/depth gauge and determine 'pull'
asciilifeform: don't keep these 'coins' with your bank cards...
[]bot: Bet created: "Clint Dempsey wins MLS MVP" http://bitbet.us/bet/891/
mike_c: hashfast ceo one month ago: "I joined this company a month ago because the team is amazing and we are not scammers"
mike_c: today: "we're bankrupt. I'm outta here"
asciilifeform: speaking of NdFeB: turns out one can now get man-portable, cryogen-free nmr machines based on rare earth magnet. 20k usd or so, used.
asciilifeform: never mix up red and blue pill again...
Namworld: Those coins would shatter easily and be kinda troublesome.
Namworld: NMR machine?
benkay: ah, ty BingoBoingo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.024 = 0.216 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.02390713 = 0.3108 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.02380399 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/its-official-malicious-hackers-have-crappy-password-hygiene-too/
assbot: Its official: Malicious hackers have crappy password hygiene, too | Ars Technica
[]bot: Bet created: "Seattle Sounders MLS Champions" http://bitbet.us/bet/892/
dignork: asciilifeform: for the pills - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/903107259/scio-your-sixth-sense-a-pocket-molecular-sensor-fo
assbot: SCiO: Your Sixth Sense. A Pocket Molecular Sensor For All ! by Consumer Physics, Inc. — Kickstarter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07000001 = 0.7 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: %book
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atcbot: 2k@270 2k@269 20k@265 | 3k@144 50k@143 175k@142
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: scio << classic kickstarturd ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's diginork's link. If such a kickstarter succeeded I wouldn't trust it to identify interesting things...
[]bot: Bet created: "Andy Murray to win Wimbledon 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/894/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the claim of protein/fat content through surface ir spectroscopy is truly precious.
dignork: it would probably differentiate metal from stone, usability close to zero, but amusing
asciilifeform: how does anyone fall for this garbage ?
asciilifeform: don't they make anyone use actual ir spectrometer in school now?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is one concern. The other is identifying tylenol through the tablet's way?
asciilifeform: i didn't see mortar/pestle in the photo, sorta assumed it must've been there
BingoBoingo: Even then, I'd expect it to report a lot of cornstarch, stearate and lipid esters
asciilifeform: the sad part is, 'cyranose' (1990s product based on an oddball solid state gas column) actually worked. ☟︎
asciilifeform: locked up in patent purgatory to this day, afaik ☟︎
asciilifeform: e.g. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC149373
assbot: Bacteria classification using Cyranose 320 electronic nose
asciilifeform: seems like the homeland seekoority bozos might've swallowed it.
BingoBoingo: Even supposing the thing identifies tylenol it isn't identifying any interesting high molecular weight compounds
asciilifeform: anyone who buys a berth on mp's 'we piss on patents' atomic battleship should give 'cyranose' a thought.
mike_c: http://www.coinalytics.co/
assbot: Coinalytics
mike_c: you guys need to start taking the right decisions.
los_pantalones: take a discripined decision
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14988 @ 0.00085128 = 12.759 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 106 @ 0.0505008 = 5.3531 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00085154 = 5.237 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0707999 = 0.2124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.0008508 = 8.0826 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00227926 = 0.1003 BTC [+]
benkay: lol that email form
benkay: that designer is fired.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a very special find: http://archiveofourown.org/works/1664801?view_adult=true
assbot: A Penetration Artist - Deep Shit (infinitebutthole) - KAFKA Franz - Works [Archive of Our Own]
benkay: too clever. not usable.
mike_c: don't be stuck in the 90's. usability should never trump slick design.
benkay: graceful...nevermind.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.028 = 2.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.02999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.0008508 = 8.9759 BTC [-]
jurov: technetium coins for sale! buy while still fresh!
jurov: ...technetium alloy cut with gold and palladium would be perfect for
jurov: high-value coinage. “Hard, bright, untarnishable and rare, it would be the
jurov: numismatist’s answer to diamond, for such a coin might last nearly forever.”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.028 = 1.4 BTC [-]
jurov googled shit
jurov: http://worldtracker.org/media/library/English%20Literature/M/Mccarthy,%20Wil/Wil%20McCarthy%20-%20The%20Technetium%20Rush.pdf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.028 = 1.4 BTC [-]
benkay: moar
benkay: coffee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.02383737 = 0.3099 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0707999 = 1.416 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Damn
thestringpuller: silent as fuck today
thestringpuller: something big about to go down ain't it?
benkay: get back to your pomodoros ;)
mike_c: everybody's behind schedule.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: something big about to go down << mp did mention preparing some new thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 301 @ 0.00047635 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: jurov: technetium coin << afaik, fiction. but, idea.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0238 = 0.1666 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 14 @ 0.08888 = 1.2443 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.08 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 32 @ 0.08 = 2.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-]
mike_c: pop quiz (no cheating). name a company with mkt cap > $200b and p/e > 20.
mircea_popescu: exxon is over 200bn fo sho
mike_c: pe = 14
mircea_popescu: was more like 4 iirc
mircea_popescu: hm
mike_c: challenging, right? these companies shouldn't exist.
mircea_popescu: how about the china oil corp ?
mircea_popescu: w/e it was called
mircea_popescu: also icbc maybe
mike_c: far as i can tell china companies have crappy pe's.
mike_c: google is the one that got me looking.
mike_c: $380b at a fking 30 p/e
mike_c: others are proctor/gamble, novartis, and royal dutch.
mircea_popescu: no look, petrochina : 130bn net over 1 trn equity
mike_c: hm, the petrochina ADR i see has $225b cap and pe 11
mircea_popescu: i see goog actual at 15.3 pe
mircea_popescu: what figures exactly are you working on ?
mircea_popescu: Diluted EPS Excluding Extraordinary Items 5.33 trading 560ish
mircea_popescu: (mrq)
mircea_popescu: anyway, petrochina is ptr on nyse
mike_c: ;;calc 560 / (5.34 * 4)
gribble: 26.2172284644
mike_c: unless my math is borked, that is a hefty pe for a company that big.
mircea_popescu: trading 120ish, Diluted Normalized EPS 0.19 mrq
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 120 / 4 / .19
gribble: 157.894736842
mircea_popescu: 157 pe there you go
cazalla: i don't think there are any australian ones, i think BHP Billiton has cap of like 50-60b
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4397 @ 0.00085204 = 3.7464 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and icbc is actually listed... on the fucking pink sheets. idcby
mike_c: where yo ugetting that number? i see PTR mrq is 2.92 eps
mike_c: ;;calc 120 / (2.92 *4)
gribble: 10.2739726027
mircea_popescu: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3APTR&fstype=ii&ei=c4mXU4ipKcea6AGPz4DgCQ <<
assbot: Financial Statements for PetroChina Company Limited (ADR) - Google Finance
mircea_popescu: dn eps is the last item on the page
mike_c: that number is wrong i believe
mircea_popescu: o.O
BingoBoingo: OMG It's another LABCOIN!!! Amazing Petro!!!
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: i still can't quite believe icbc is listed as a pink wtf bbq
mircea_popescu: thing has like half a million emplouyees all over theworld.
mike_c: yeah, google's out to fucking lunch. that number is wrong
mircea_popescu: mike_c maybe their own numbers are wrong too then ? :D
mike_c: look at the summary at the top. 22b shares * $123 = $225b mkt cap??
mike_c: that's some fuzzy math
mircea_popescu: i think they use an avg
mircea_popescu: 123 is last close orsomething
BingoBoingo: I'm telling you they hired Armandi to be their shadow CEO
mike_c: 22b * $123 = $2.5 T. that is pretty far off
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.08697123 = 0.6958 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 225 / 22
gribble: 10.2272727273
mike_c: see? they added a zero.
mircea_popescu: lol hm.
mike_c: google: 0 mike: 1
mircea_popescu: http://www.icbc-ltd.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/ICBC/Resources/ICBCLTD/download/2014/FirstQuarterlyReportof2014.pdf << the icbc statement
mircea_popescu: net 73,461 ; 0.21 d eps.
mircea_popescu: so there. this is a definite.
mike_c: right, but what is $123 in yuan
mthreat: mike_c: AMZN is close, $150B cap, 520 PE
mike_c: your definite is in some other currency.
mircea_popescu: the 0.21 d eps is in RMB yuans
mircea_popescu: and iut's been trading at about 12.83 usd/share on otc
mircea_popescu: (aka 80 rmb)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 80 / 4 / .21
gribble: 95.2380952381
mircea_popescu: there. 95.
mike_c: ok, so icbc is on the list then.
mike_c: sell that one too
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't.
mircea_popescu: it's owned by the chinese govt, and a tool of its foreign policy.
mircea_popescu: a rather close approximation of mpex, for that matter.
mike_c: sell gazprom as well
mircea_popescu: you're young and therefore naive :)
mike_c: look, idk wtf goes on in china. i'm just saying, dump GOOG, PG, novartis and royal dutch.
mircea_popescu: goog i can see. novartis maybe. royal dutch no.
mike_c: well nobody actually sells oil companies
mircea_popescu: and the chinese/russian/etc royal entreprises no, either.
mircea_popescu: not unless you're a sovereign yourself, ready able and willing to go to war with the sovereigns backing them
mike_c: gimme a year
mircea_popescu: so maybe you sell them in a year then.
mike_c: :) plus, i actually hold some PG and i ain't selling that either.
mike_c: everybody needs toothpaste
mircea_popescu: im actually mildly short on us crapola, from google to the rest of the "Tech" sector.
mike_c: aapl is under $100 now! totally a good reason for the stock to shoot up 20%!
mircea_popescu: yeah, right, because that's how it works.
mike_c: mthreat: amzn doesn't count, they aren't trying to make money.
mircea_popescu: hm, come to think of it, perhaps it could be argued im not even THAT mildly short. i'm like 600k in against brk publicly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0708 = 0.2124 BTC [+]
fluffypony: usagi confuses me
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7238720#msg7238720
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]
fluffypony: "And yes, as I mentioned quite a number of times, not only do we have off-site backups I am mirroring daily backups to a Synology DS-4 I keep in my office."
fluffypony: if he had/has off-site backups why even bother posting in the first place?
dub: one does not understand a usagi
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you spend entirely too much time on usagi.
dub: ^
mircea_popescu: take blondie out, at least she's ACTUALLY female.
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: anyway, he doesn't have an office, he worked as a sort of that-fat--and-gay-guy-in-high-fidelity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.1 = 1.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up cryptoflood
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07086666 = 0.2126 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.0020904 = 0.1254 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: You have to realize arguing with Usagi is worthless. He has too many aspersation to experience any sort of self examination.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: hashfast ceo one month ago: "I joined this company a month ago because the team is amazing and we are not scammers" | today: "we're bankrupt. I'm outta here" << fucking exactly.
mircea_popescu: and on top of it, they get all butthurt when they're treated to a heapful of stfu and go read the logs for a year on the FIRST announcement.
mike_c: well, they know better
mircea_popescu: ya right. and who even told eduardo decastro he can be a ceo anyway.
BingoBoingo: Maybe we should start selling canned STFU.
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: http://hashfast.com/eduardo-decastro-ceo-receiving-the-wafers/
assbot: Eduardo deCastro, CEO, receiving the wafers! | HashFast
mircea_popescu: Namworld: Those coins would shatter easily and be kinda troublesome. << yeah the shatter factor is a problem. also, god help you if you're trying to carry say a 20 lb bag of them in the street.
mircea_popescu: well... on the optimistic side... you'll prolly have no trouble catching the bus.
mircea_popescu: "Based on a statistical analysis of the recovered passwords, Hýža constructed two character sets that stood the best chance of quickly cracking the remaining undeciphered passcodes. The shorter of the two contained just 28 characters: acdehiklmnorstu01234579!-.@_"
mircea_popescu: as to why humans make shitty rngs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.24 = 0.96 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#712142 yet "11,665 Backers $2,480,795 pledged of $200,000 goal 4 days to go" ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: curious what sort of magic kickstarter can turn out of 2.5mn
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: don't they make anyone use actual ir spectrometer in school now? << no. because it'd be racist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: anyone who buys a berth on mp's 'we piss on patents' atomic battleship should give 'cyranose' a thought. << this is a good point actually.
BingoBoingo: http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/06/stop-shovel-time.html
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Stop!... Shovel time!
mircea_popescu: "Coinalytics receives seed funding as one of 500 Startups first Bitcoin ventures"
mircea_popescu: lolk.
mircea_popescu: mike_c:everybody's behind schedule. < :D
mike_c: except me of course, i'm just naturally quiet.
BingoBoingo: Jobs to revive in the serene republic http://www.birchingtonheritage.org.uk/articles/dogacre.htm
assbot: Jennie Dog Acre Article
mircea_popescu: ahhh history.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/lunea-intunericoasa-ca-sa-nu-zicem-de-a-dreptu-neagra-ca-i-urit-si-ne-citesc-inclusiv-copii-de-tita/
assbot: Lunea intunericoasa ca sa nu zicem de-a dreptu’ neagra ca-i urit si ne citesc inclusiv copii de tita. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: this is an article about the black monday, which you're prolly mostly too young to remember.
mircea_popescu: about 4% of the monetary mass in circulation sold out, bitcoin dropped from 5.3 to 4.5, and people were in agreeemnt that it's prolly the end
mircea_popescu: "all high volume is on red candles, forget it" etc
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/strange-things-people-think/
BingoBoingo: Wait, Sal Inglesa
BingoBoingo: mircea_inglesa: I have a feeling the Argentines are going to start refering to Bitcoin as Money Inglesa before too long...