assbot: F.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jurov: BCB all managers got 10% off the profit
jurov: mircea_popescu: that's the gal with your pants?
BCB: jurov, I see that. I probably couldn't do it for less then 20%
assbot: kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree
assbot: A Complete List Of Things Supposedly Caused By Global Warming
BCB: mircea_popescu, not counter offer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00099532 = 4.4292 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03139999 = 0.314 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Well, don't they make a counter offer? How can they just cancel the whole deal like that? What kind of a maniac is this guy? I mean he just, he says no, and that's it?
mircea_popescu: SUSAN: Yeah, that's the way Russell is. He doesn't like to play games.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31581 @ 0.00099798 = 31.5172 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68350 @ 0.0009953 = 68.0288 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00099798 = 4.7903 BTC [+]
assbot: Maged permabanned MPOE-PR because she swore shock | Page 5 | Bitcointa.lk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7753 @ 0.00100305 = 7.7766 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34627 @ 0.00100355 = 34.7499 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: <kakobrekla> artifexd you might take out 'New' out of the strings, since the thing is never 'old' <- Excellent idea. I shall implement.
artifexd: <mircea_popescu> mind adding it in here with a special rule to only dump bets > 1btc ? << No problem.
artifexd: kakobrekla: Do I need to anything special to get artibot voiced in here? Is being a bot enough? I can (and will eventually) code it to ident with gribble and !up with assbot if necessary but if you have a list of preapproved bots, that would be easier.
kakobrekla: yes i make chanserv voice the bots, they need to be registered with nickserv
artifexd: It is ~artibot@unaffiliated/artifexd/bot/artibot
artibot: I am the human embodiment of []bot. I am not the real []bot.
artibot: But the nickserv account is the same.
decimation: If we are maintaining assbot; can we make it so users can !down themselves privately? Or is it intended to just ;;gpg unauth with gribble?
kakobrekla: yeah well chanserv cant distinguish between human embodiment and the real bot
kakobrekla: so either you change that or make it up itself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00100513 = 1.9097 BTC [+]
artibot: Is the delay normal? It took about 40 seconds to be voiced.
decimation: I guess what I really want is to securely tear down my session
decimation: seems like !down to assbot and ;;gpg unauth to gribble should be the trick?
kakobrekla: if this is the only chan you are in with gribble, parting and joining will deauth you of gribble and you will lose your voice
artibot: Ok. I'm still "on the clock" so I won't get the bot in here now but I should be able to get it done before I go to bed.
assbot: Michael Novogratz touts bitcoin, M&A and tech
artifexd: It does. But there is coding that needs to be done.
decimation: Okay. I don't know the details of IRC, apparently gribble can tell the difference between someone leaving the channel and a net-split?
decimation: Ideally each chat message would be individually gpg signed
kakobrekla: and ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- ARGLE BARGLE
decimation: IRC is kind of a creaky old protocol. it works, but it's like hitching a ride on a Cuban 1950's Ford truck
kakobrekla: name one chat protocol that surpasses it
decimation: I'm thinking of something like bittorrent
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [+]
dignork: decimation: there is a tox chat, torrent like, but nowhere close to irc so far
decimation: well, by "nowhere close" do we mean in software maturity or in widespread adoption?
dignork: decimation: unfortunately both
dignork: I mean there is a usable console client for one to one chat, and support for group chat, but still.
decimation: it's sad that there's not mechanism for multicast on the general internet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [+]
decimation: One could use the bitcoin protocol to chat if they are willing to spend the coin
decimation: ascii has pointed this out several times
dignork: decimation: if you want to keep all your messages till bitcoin-dev finnaly figures a way to implement purging, yes.
dignork: thinking of it, twitter 2.0, your message is limited to 40 bytes of OP_RETURN, and you waste bitcoins, delicious!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 118 @ 0.00709991 = 0.8378 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10297 @ 0.00100518 = 10.3503 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5770 @ 0.00100104 = 5.776 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47050 @ 0.00099364 = 46.7508 BTC [-] {5}
benkay: regarding coinprism, i wonder if the same pattern of webwallet heists is going to happen with the cc walletsregarding coinprism
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 301 @ 0.00422005 = 1.2702 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot Mats_cd03
benkay: time for some tech-nose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00099996 = 14.1994 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0721002 = 1.8025 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07452082 = 0.2236 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13645 @ 0.00099801 = 13.6178 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: DogePDX! It's a Dogecoin Party in Portland! -
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benkay: can't decide if i need to go to harsh the vibe or stay in and work on actual things
benkay: leaning towards the latter
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 471 @ 0.00021725 = 0.1023 BTC [+]
moiety: lol benkay, i kinda want to know if they talk that way in person
moiety: kakobrekla: re wiki: i took it off because i wasn't sure how useful it was. i still have it though
benkay: moiety: it's worse than that - everyone talks like that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.0009973 = 5.0364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10167 @ 0.00100109 = 10.1781 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: "i'd rather be with my pussy"
moiety: probably make folk jealous though
benkay: not really my problem.
benkay: maybe i should drape lady v over my arm and go troll the dogelings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00100018 = 3.8007 BTC [-]
moiety: though that involves dragging her through the evening also
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012252 = 0.3676 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30943 @ 0.00099943 = 30.9254 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: moiety i dont see how it was harming anyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16336 @ 0.00100067 = 16.3469 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.02448339 = 0.3428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3955 @ 0.00100078 = 3.9581 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 40 @ 0.041 = 1.64 BTC [-]
moiety: kakobrekla: tweaked and returned. If there's anything hideously wrong, please let me know
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2895 @ 0.00012213 = 0.3536 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5996 @ 0.00012002 = 0.7196 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07250006 = 0.58 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9655 @ 0.00100067 = 9.6615 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13486 @ 0.0010008 = 13.4968 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10009 @ 0.00100067 = 10.0157 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9895 @ 0.0010015 = 9.9098 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00100235 = 17.4409 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3382 @ 0.00100287 = 3.3917 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 3150 @ 0.00013 = 0.4095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00100287 = 6.1175 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10890 @ 0.00099734 = 10.861 BTC [-] {5}
Naphex: Thu May 15 10:47:45 EEST 2014
Naphex: what time is it in sa?
Naphex: you're an early man too eh?:P
fluffypony: been up for a couple of hours, but the wife has gotten into this fancy-breakfast-making habit
fluffypony: so we normally only eat at between 9 and 11, lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 780 @ 0.00099444 = 0.7757 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4630 @ 0.00099444 = 4.6043 BTC [-]
assbot: Bitstrips - Comics starring YOU and your Friends
mircea_popescu: is this the first case of a bit* site that's pre-bitcoin ?
fluffypony: the bitpay domain was registered in 2004, for eg.
assbot:
http://t.co/wLzTSvt8xd Next step in marriage progress : preteens and horses. Because why should species matter when souls are in love!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
Naphex: ebay ceo bullish on bitcoin on paypal
bounce: at a guess, something along the lines of "bitcoin with chargebacks"
Naphex: "We think Bitcoin will play a very important role in the future. Exactly how that plays out, and how we can best take advantage of it and enable it with PayPal, that's something we're actively considering. It's on our radar screen."
mircea_popescu: so reddit, made out of people who have no idea how to read pr statements, got all excited ?
mircea_popescu: that thing says exactly nothing at all. whence bullish ?
Naphex: well he's been soundbiting it on bloomberg as well
Naphex: a couple of months ago
Naphex: about how pp and bitcoin would and can go well
mircea_popescu: the alternative is, "bitcoin will kill us in a matter of years. please keep buying our stock"
mircea_popescu: ebay is rimm cca 2005. who wants to tell the people with 401k's that mp will make a killing with puts on their savings ?
Naphex: heh, well they could just integrate bitcoin;p
Naphex: but just the fact that they're big makes them slow in adding something, so it might drag
mircea_popescu: decimation: IRC is kind of a creaky old protocol. it works, but it's like hitching a ride on a Cuban 1950's Ford truck <<< there are two kinds of protocols : the "creaky old" stuff which is good and the new shitty stuff which is bad.
mircea_popescu: same exact thing can besaid of tcp/ip, or anything else that works.
Naphex: IRC is a pretty good protocol
mircea_popescu: Naphex they can't integrate bitcoin, because i will never id to use it.
Naphex: well they don't have to, they can have a bitcoin wallet
Naphex: and just ID to exchange to USD
Naphex: and you can spend bitcoin on pp shops as USD, without ID
mircea_popescu: decimation: it's sad that there's not mechanism for multicast on the general internet <<< god help us. lomic ?!
mircea_popescu: Naphex so then they just made a bitcoin to usd gateway
bounce: there's plenty that IRC could be doing better. but the basic stuff works pretty well.
Naphex: sometimes it is more then enough to do 1 thing well, istead of 100 things mediocrely
bounce: say, a per-channel tag expressing a preferred charset
Naphex: utf8 and its up for the clients to interpret is fine
Naphex: since they only interpret command params
bounce: nope. and it's a flight-forward kind of thing. "if only everyone used this one standard system" -- but there isn't just one standard
bounce: well, it's never been non-charset aware, there just was only one charset
bounce: well, it's what's in the rfc. "we assume it's ascii with some swedish specialness"
bounce: so people just use whatever charset they like, and a bunch of clients now standard guess whether the characters they're looking at is latin-1 or utf-8 and switch tack based on the guesses
Naphex: they should just default to utf8
Naphex: they'll change charset when they see artifacts all day
Naphex: or have the irc client use utf8 decoding as default
bounce: again, flight-forward kind of thing. and it completely disregards the (considerable) costs of utf-8
Naphex: what are the utf-8 costs that are so considerable?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 82 @ 0.0720659 = 5.9094 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16415 @ 0.00100287 = 16.4621 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.434005 = 0.868 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Photos of an NSA upgrade factory show Cisco router getting implant | Ars Technica
Naphex: cisco routers prolly already had "beacons" in :)
Naphex: that workstation is just for upgrades
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4307105 = 4.3071 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: "Also our cold wallet is going to be stored on a dedicated system that will come online less than once a day for brief random interval to carry out necessary transactions."
assbot: Virtex! A new online crypto currency trading platform | Bitcointa.lk
punkman: "Good news. Literally! We have been featured in several online news magazines."
punkman: "CEO Paulius Meskauskas, CMO Tomas Andzelis, CRO Mantas Gustys and a team of over 20 other people"
Apocalyptic: punkman, your former line reminded me of neobee
punkman: why do all these 7" low resolution monitors cost as much as a 20" HD one?
assbot: Social Media Rock Star Makes $28,000 Per Year | Video | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: is the header picture supposed to be a phoenix rising from the ashes?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0425 = 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 89 @ 0.072 = 6.408 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Europe’s First Bitcoin Embassy To Open in Poland | Bitcoinet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00099757 = 3.0426 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.430001 = 2.58 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.429 = 0.858 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0067001 = 0.268 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 63 @ 0.00646729 = 0.4074 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43401 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 836 @ 0.041 = 34.276 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43401 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.02448339 = 0.4652 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02449178 = 0.2449 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43989998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00100287 = 5.1146 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 7418 @ 0.0000666 = 0.494 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2532 @ 0.00006561 = 0.1661 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00100287 = 1.2034 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11015 @ 0.0009996 = 11.0106 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.42134819 = 2.1067 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02364228 = 0.2364 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.02364223 = 0.4256 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.0313997 = 0.6908 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.03139977 = 0.6908 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03139998 = 0.1256 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: MV We are all bitcoins - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0718 = 1.077 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03139999 = 0.1884 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4220001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0009948 = 17.0111 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 36 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> anyway, gtg for nao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00400007 = 0.4 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00100287 = 14.9929 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.0009938 = 12.1244 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41200008 = 2.06 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.412 = 8.652 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41103005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0237301 = 0.2373 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41103001 = 0.8221 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41103002 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41103001 = 0.8221 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41103001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00099227 = 13.5941 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 19 @ 0.041 = 0.779 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 258 @ 0.0008549 = 0.2206 BTC [+]
fluffypony: altcoins are really running out of ideas
fluffypony: BillionCoin - "First coin with integrated chatroom in wallet"
fluffypony: because when choosing a cryptocurrency, an integrated IRC client sets you apart from the herd
assbot: Syphilis Made A Big Comeback In 2013, CDC Warns - Forbes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0718 = 0.718 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Basically the New England Journal of Medicine is irrelevant because they insist on embeding images as adobe flash
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.041 = 0.697 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03139999 = 0.314 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron My OpenBSD cd's arrived yesterday.
mircea_popescu: this fucking "x will need to" replacement for "we would like for x to" is a riot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I don't get it - is it supposed to be a kid's book?
jurov: duh what a day.. thanks to coinroll bots we found out about Math.random backdoor in node.js
jurov: somehow it just isn't able to generate more than 80 million random IDs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41103001 BTC [-]
jurov: regardless of node restarts that should have changed the seed
jurov: and reaction of typical node programmer like wao? "oh i remember we had this problem sometime"
mircea_popescu: write this up, in mucho detail. i bet you all the shitty "paper wallet" js implementations rest on node.js
wao: yeah, I found this dickie feature of node in past ^ :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]
davout: X.EUR rollover done, receipts available upon request
jurov: but it's inherited from chrome, no? chrome can have it too then?
wao: possible, it's v8, right
BingoBoingo: Lemme guess this is also the android RNG problem
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 288 @ 0.00311106 = 0.896 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo afaik that was never THAT narrow. 10^8, srsly ?
mircea_popescu: so basically any gpg key / wallet / anything ever generater on node.js could be cracked trivially, within hours.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 150 @ 0.041 = 6.15 BTC [-]
assbot: Mersenne twister - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: the rainbows off a 80mn wide space fit on any hdd ffs.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, either space is still bigger than debian had circa 2006...
fluffypony: afaik most of those paper wallet things are straight JS and they do the crunching on the client device
wao: literally, mircea is right
assbot: Node.js Mersenne Twister random number generator module | Everything you never wanted to know about Jon Watte
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: so no node in that case?
wao: mircea_popescu: I think it was mentioned many times, like 2-3years ago
BingoBoingo: Doesn't Bitpay have some node.js bitcoin library or node or someshit?
assbot: my8bird/nodejs-secure-random GitHub
wao: "Javascripts Math.random is not very random." but is more like javascript problem I think
jurov: wao is there a bug report for it?
wao: but report for javascript? maybe in ecma6 is fixed, dunno. I didnt keep eye on it
jurov: oh that's in *specification*?
assbot: Introducing Bitcore | The BitPay Blog
Naphex: its pretty basic to just use a custom RNG then Math.random in js
assbot: 322529 – Upgrade Math.random() to a better algorithm, such as Mersenne Twister
Naphex: this is what it returns 0.4092895321082324
assbot: Javascript question! math.floor(math.random()) doesn't seem to be that random..?
fluffypony: yahoo answers...we're digging deep into the pile now
jurov: sooo ... looks like enough derpage was witten about it already
assbot: How to Generate Random Numbers in JavaScript: 6 Steps
wao: fluffypony: oh, geocities gone with dinosaurs, now it's called neocities :P
wao: ok, enough of javascript-trolling, do not use javascript, especially on serverside! )
fluffypony: you kids and your Neocities and node.js and frappucinos and boostrap
wao: that's how girls write code
Naphex: and nothing wrong in using /dev/urandom /dev/random
wao: you know, all that rails girls classes for subversile girls
wao: (submisive is too sexistic word..)
fluffypony: gawd, I didn't even know railsgirls was a thing
wao: there was even JS ladies
wao: but didnt catch up trend, yet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41103 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: davout so, you publishing the x.eur settlement anywhere ?
davout: nah, interested in the rationale that would be behind it, you said "it allows the pricing of derivatives, bitbet bets etc."
davout: referred to shelling points
mircea_popescu: well, yes. you're in a fine position to establish a signal settlement price.
davout: so if i understand correctly you think it could have some use a price signal
davout: it's very thinly traded tho, and i could manipulate it, no?
mircea_popescu: "i will pay joe 1.5 btc for this car on may 16th, provided x.eur settles under 0.03. otherwise, 1.2 btc"
mircea_popescu: that's what a schelling point is. suppose you're abudcted by aliens, with a bunch of other people you never saw in your life. the aliens put four cards face up in front of each of you, the same cards, and say yo ucan go if you all pick the same card
mircea_popescu: schelling point. needs to have the property of direct obviousness and no other.
davout: it has a distinctive property
davout: that i can imagine others will see as well
mircea_popescu: plus people will be able to do soft futures on its basis
mircea_popescu: (joe borrows from moe x.eur, promises to repay either in x.eur or else in settlement value)
davout: which one should i take? last trade before settlement (which could be days behind) or last active bid before settlement?
davout: last midpoint before settlement mebbe
davout: i can see the use, i'll use the opportunity to publish a coupla stats too
mircea_popescu: and yes, it helps your blog get some nice sticky content, too.
davout: that'll make a nice first post, a nice second post too if i'm lazy
assbot: Department of Health And Human Services Threatens Blogger Over Satirical Posts | Popehat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03139999 = 0.1884 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.40401266 = 4.8482 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 222 @ 0.00399493 = 0.8869 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Meeting of the minds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 87 @ 0.041 = 3.567 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 53 @ 0.041 = 2.173 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Now you know who raises reddit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.02480844 = 0.1737 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lmao there's a belgium whale now, buying up all the Ts russia is dumping. hahaha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41979957 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07468319 = 0.6721 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8769 @ 0.00011351 = 0.9954 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07386428 = 0.8125 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00099607 = 1.6933 BTC [+]
gribble: bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 hours, 52 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <bitcoinpete> bbl
bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: fixed your gravatar in the comments section
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00395629 = 0.3956 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Forget CPI. Inflation Is Measured With Art. | When Bitcoin Met Pete
pankkake: it's also a way to escape taxes, at least in France very much so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07183641 = 2.1551 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: pankkake: you guys have a wonderful history of appreciating art in all its dimensions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.42848002 = 1.7139 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13427 @ 0.00099372 = 13.3427 BTC [-]
benkay: what is a boy to read over coffee anyways?
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
mike_c: i'm still waiting for thestringpuller's story.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43 = 0.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11791 @ 0.00099221 = 11.6991 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: thestringpuller: lisp happens after coffee.
benkay: and what story are we waiting for?
mike_c: <+thestringpuller> bitcoinpete: I have a story for you.
benkay: bitcoinpete: you have this 'substitution' nonsense up north as well?
benkay: jurov, wao can y'all give me a link to something about the node.js and js.rand problems?
bitcoinpete: i doubt there's a western country without it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.45469843 BTC to 8`643 shares, 28401 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 3.47474341 BTC to 151`537 shares, 2293 satoshi per share
benkay: wowee markets got hammered yesterdat
danielpbarron: what services are using node.js? i tried searching around but couldn't get definitive answers
mike_c: makes heavy use of websockets, which often go hand in hand with node.js
pankkake: you need pictures of the developers to know that. do they have thick rimmed glasses, fedoras, or ironic moustaches?
danielpbarron: is that relevant for services that aren't generating addresses?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19773 @ 0.00099273 = 19.6293 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: I'm waiting for the bitcoin-days destroyed chart to have a spike today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00404899 = 0.4049 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00404899 = 0.1215 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: bitcoinpete mike_c : It's a rehash of an old story, but it would be a neat article if the research is done right.
fluffypony: "Sorry for you that GPG is hard. Probably you can find introduction guide to help you understand."
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benkay: thanks jurov. i saw that link but hope springs eternal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.135 BTC [-]
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kakobrekla: no info about who is supposed to run this
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00300004 = 0.3 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07485045 = 0.7485 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0039882 = 0.3988 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: bitcoinpete: so my idea would be to do what mircea_popescu did but additionally, compare it to the known losses of non scammor companies (i think most losses from non scamming companies have been covered somehow). Thus there is like a two-side criterion based on BingoBoingo's observation of a BTC company that incurs losses it can never cover as "scammors"
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well, loses without being a scam are probably possible if they are documented, but generally an obligation that can't be covered is a scam.
benkay: "can't be covered" in which timeframe?
BingoBoingo: If you Gox says you have X BTC and can't cover that it's a scam.
benkay: there are people in this channel in the proces of paying off their obligations.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, it depends on the construct.
thestringpuller: aren't those people labeled as scammors until those obligations are paid of per the contract?
thestringpuller: or moreover if they are currently in violation of a contract they are definitively scammors in that context
benkay: sounds like everyone's real eager with the 'scammer' tag.
benkay: mistakes get made, and then get rectified. sometimes the rectification takes 3 years, sometimes it never happens.
benkay: that icky continuum of reality.
thestringpuller: to bail out the mistake makers here if they dig a hole too deep
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0067001 = 0.268 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: has anyone here ever compiled ssss-0.5 on openbsd 5.5 ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.03139999 = 1.57 BTC [+]
fluffypony: I think I'm overly liberal with the labelling sometimes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03139999 = 0.1256 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 366 @ 0.00099324 = 0.3635 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: "compare it to the known losses of non scammor companies" <<ya, not sure if there are any of these around
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41514221 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00099324 = 6.1581 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell thickasthieves have fun in amsterdam today!
assbot: Russians Flee U.S. Treasury Debt As Sanctions Hit - Real Time Economics - WSJ
bitcoinpete: Russia’s net Treasury security holdings dropped $25.8 billion in March to $100.4 billion, tumbling 20% from February’s $126.2 billion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21307 @ 0.00099369 = 21.1726 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: BBC News - The 10-year-old who offered money to India's central bank
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41095544 BTC [-]
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: the funny thing is I did a cost analysis of the OpenRigs frames vs. China (at scale) and it ends up being cheaper to manufacture here, but they win on direct shipping costs
fluffypony: at the smaller scale we're currently at it's significantly more blurry
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41060003 = 1.2318 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.003988 = 0.3988 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0415 = 0.2075 BTC [+]
fluffypony: but either way it still looks like it's better to keep the manufacturing here from a qualitative and cost perspective
bitcoinpete: and in sa you know the language and the culture
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07484982 = 0.4491 BTC [-] {4}
fluffypony: I have a friend who ran a successful Kickstarter a while back
fluffypony: the samples they were receiving from China were shit
fluffypony: he moved to Shenzen for 5 months to get the manufacturing sorted
fluffypony: I'd rather not say to protect the guilty - he mismanaged stuff badly after that and the whole thing spiralled into recklessness and infamy
gribble: Current Blocks: 300889 | Current Difficulty: 8.8534163091278E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 302399 | Next Difficulty In: 1510 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9929982982.92 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.1599
thestringpuller: btw bitcoinpete what do you think of an update to the drama timeline? lolol
mike_c: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves you still in Amsterdam? ping me sometime please.
jborkl: bitcoinpete , nice - I am trying to keep the data very small and as few requests as possible - under 200kb for a new visit and around 10 requests and a half second load time
bitcoinpete: mike_c: the foundation circus just started today, he's gotta be there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.04191666 = 0.2515 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: well hopefully he had enough brownies to make it through.
bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: that could definitely ruffle some feathers :D
mod6: oh July 14th. hmm, yeah maybe!?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.40500383 BTC [-]
mod6: i was just thinking... 'remember when the diff was like 5mn'
mod6: then it went down to like 1mn or something for a few weeks.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: which part, the downtime notification thing or the full page tester?
bitcoinpete: mod6: it'll come down to if we squeeze 4 or 5 more difficulty resets between now and then
kakobrekla: Your website is faster than 97% of all tested websites compared to 86% for bcoinnews.com , yet news get 99/100 and bitbet 83
mod6: those bets always seem to end up being a close one.
bitcoinpete: heh mpex got the same speed rating as my blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07485 = 0.1497 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i bet you cant do it with a static html!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28723 @ 0.00099813 = 28.6693 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.40500396 = 1.215 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.40500053 = 0.81 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.40500021 = 0.81 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: if you don't customize per-user why not do static html.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.003988 = 0.1117 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.4038 = 1.6152 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4002 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: yeah did that on stats, on bb is not really a problem
fluffypony: kakobrekla: speed != where it can improve
fluffypony: that score is about whether you're doing things like putting static objects on a different, cookieless subdomain to improve parallel requests
fluffypony: or whether you've reduced the number of CSS/JS external requests per page
kakobrekla: but i dun need to do dat if i already own 97% of the net
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03139999 = 0.157 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Just got back from the opening conference mingle session
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.40026666 = 1.2008 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Bitcoin2014 Amsterdam walkthrough - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4002 = 0.8004 BTC [-]
assbot: Bitcoin2014 SWAG - YouTube
thestringpuller: oh. ThickAsThieves do we get to see all the money they are wasting?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4001 = 1.2003 BTC [-]
mike_c: lol. cointerra's booth is a scam :)
fluffypony: Need money to start a Bitcoin or Crypto-Currency business?"
jborkl: cointerra - heh they have been having fire sales - all miners must go with a inflatable tube guy waving his arms
fluffypony: don't worry ThickAsThieves, you're doing the lord's work
ThickAsThieves: I think some vendors were absent tonight cuz it wasnt the real start
jborkl: well, I offered to buy some from stock for a discounted price, but only if I could pick them up- since they are in "stock" 15 minutes away. no response
ThickAsThieves: To announce all the vips need to get on their vip cruise
fluffypony: for next year I'm buying you a camera with image stabilisation
ThickAsThieves: Looking at it i went too fast and should have narrated
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves you could bring up bitstamp trading fees scam
ThickAsThieves: I smoked a joint with some british finance dudes last night
fluffypony: and we're printing bitcoin-assets t-shirts
fluffypony: yeah, if I'd planned it in advance I would've gone with you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.42158435 = 2.1079 BTC [+] {4}
rithm: i'll pay good bitcoin for a -assets tshirt
rithm: especially if it says "bitcoin-asshats" somehwere on it
TomServo: Have fun, thanks for the infos
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.40100715 = 0.802 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19593 @ 0.00099546 = 19.504 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.04195 = 0.9649 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Attack Tools | Bishop Fox
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.05850606 = 0.234 BTC [-]
benkay: what bugs me about ssl is the conflation of "this server is authorized to handle requests from this domain" with encrypting the connection between server and client.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 657 @ 0.00099234 = 0.652 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4013 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07496866 = 0.2249 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: well you have to identify the server you are encryptingly communicating with, no?
fluffypony: "Welcome to Tistoni's BTC fund. This works by taking Bitcoins, converting them to fiat and investing them into low risk steady return investments which yield up to 10% net returns in a year. We invest into P2P crowdfunding projects on the internet using artificial intelligence technology and actively trade on a number of private markets. "
benkay: but how can you do that a priori without trusting someone idiotc?
mike_c: benkay: cacert? trust a whole bunch of idiots?
fluffypony: "You can withdraw all your funds by sending less than 1 amount of Bitcoins to the same address. Please remember the Bitcoin address you use to deposit and withdraw funds as this is used to identify your account."
mircea_popescu: motherfucker! who came up with the retarded idea of making shampoo bottle caps not straight
mircea_popescu: used to be one of my top ways to judge a girl : go to her bathroom, see if the shampoo is resting "upside down"
benkay: mike_c: but chrome et al hate self-signed certs.
mike_c: benkay: yes, but chrome is not a priori
benkay: there are two concerns is all i'm saying
benkay: "is this connection encrypted?"
benkay: "am i talking to the right person?"
benkay: i think i want a wot for server keys
benkay: a bunch of lists of dns records and the keys associated with each
benkay: i'm irritated that i gotta pay 85/year for wildcard ssl certs that normal browsers won't freak out about.
mircea_popescu: actually, namecoin was ALSO doing something kind-of similar, but not really.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20693 @ 0.00099609 = 20.6121 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Me : Bla bla bla diff bets bla bla bla evil socialists!
mircea_popescu: Redditor : Much simpler explanation : the proposition target was way off-market (100%). Nothing to be won by betting on the clear outcome.
mircea_popescu: Me : Only a noob could think this is an actual explanation. Most if not all diff propositions were upsets.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Reddit has become the home of groupthink and retardation lately
benkay: just look at the google results for [smelling burning rubber mysterious]
benkay: I HAS A BRAIN TUMOR O KRIST
toastee: mircea_popescu Can you add me to auto-voice?
assbot: Weird Science: Siberian Psychologists Caning Patients "On the Buttocks" in New Addiction Treatment | Alternet
toastee: i just wouldnt mind chatting in here
toastee: and you keep +v'ing me manually anyway lol
gribble: Nick 'toastee', with hostmask 'toastee!toastee@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vjvfdwflctakzdyr', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: i only up yuou because i don't recall your name and figure maybe you have something to actually say
BingoBoingo: toastee: Well, there are ways of getting auto voive
mircea_popescu: so far this isn't proceeding well on either of the two scores.
toastee: just interested in the chan so i idle
toastee: if there's some kind of ident or auth i have to do just tell me how lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00099208 = 12.1034 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Ohio Issues Bright Yellow License Plates To Shame DUI Offenders
benkay: ;;google bitcoin-assets wot voice
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com #bitcoin-assets +m
mircea_popescu: so wasn't tat supposed to liveblog some lolfest or it hasn't started yet or what ?
mircea_popescu: did little miss boring get the best atm of the year award or whatever it was ?
fluffypony: not much to see, just swag and the booths
fluffypony: he says the Internet connection there is shitty
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i only coupla days ago found out what swag ACTUALLY means.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony hey, shitty interwebs but at least they paid for the airport to display related ads, right ?
BingoBoingo: Well, did they pay the airport's asking price without negotiation a'la Neo?
mircea_popescu: lawl. greece introduced a 33% tax on all capital gains on greek bonds between 2012 and 2013.
benkay: greek link, mircea_popescu ?
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benkay: well shoot a brother a pdf then eh
assbot: Greece: capital gains tax for non-residents on gains from Greek bonds, immediate action required PwC | Schweiz
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these people, if you're gonna put it on the web anyway, why dick around with emails.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0735134 = 1.2497 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07331266 = 0.5865 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4110143 = 0.822 BTC [+]
benkay: "fuck you, international financiers. we didn't want your money anyways."
mircea_popescu: o, you made money supporting us in our darkest hour ? well fuck you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41101441 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "We have used PGP/GPG for long years before Bitcoin paper was written."
mircea_popescu: helpfully omits to link gpg key. likely does not even know what that is or why it'd be relevant.
gribble: Current Blocks: 300905 | Current Difficulty: 8.8534163091278E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 302399 | Next Difficulty In: 1494 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9852124062.72 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.28048
mike_c: gribble's estimates seem off.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that guy is classic, he's out-trolling the trolls
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day :: 30.09 B (73%) on Yes, 11.38 B (27%) on No | closing in 4 weeks 1 day| weight: 16`905 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: but there's just no way it makes 5.2bn gains in 2-3 periods.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 152925.19 in 978 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -66.42
mircea_popescu: there's obviously a nonzero chance that bitcoin has a -50% diff event during its lifetime. i wonder if it'll also be during our lifetime.
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mike_c: 3 16.5% bumps, 5 9.6% bumps
mircea_popescu: mike_c prev bump was 10%. and this does get increasingly hard as time goes by, too
assbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: "compare it to the known losses of non scammor companies" <<ya, not sure if there are any of these around << you could count the 2012 mpex cdos i guess.
mircea_popescu: mike_c now we only need bitcoinagility, bitcoinstrength, bitcoinendurance and bitcoinintelligence
mike_c: hehe. need bitcoindexterity too
jborkl: Coinkite Taps Bitcoin Developer Peter Todd For Advisory Role <- is'nt that name kinda racist?
jborkl: sorry I misread the name Coinkike
assbot: BBC News - The 10-year-old who offered money to India's central bank
jborkl: working on code is like playing grandtheft auto, hard to get anything done cause you get distracted break something and then run over a cop
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: I'd rather not say to protect the guilty - he mismanaged stuff badly after that and the whole thing spiralled into recklessness and infamy << the company you keep.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: me and my dodgy friends!
fluffypony: tbh I haven't spoken to him in months, I should actually find out if he's still alive
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: Your website is faster than 97% of all tested websites compared to 86% for bcoinnews.com , yet news get 99/100 and bitbet 83 << because it's not scored by performance, it's scored by you doing what they want you to do.
mike_c: like all academic achivement.
mike_c: who gives you good grades for not doing what they want?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: Chrome was freezing so i went to uninstall it and i think i unistalled the whole os ui << MP on ubuntu fresh install. "Why the shit does this have internet ? Take it out". Ubuntu proceeds to mark everything as "to be uninstalled", all the way up to the kernel. Why ? BECAUSE FUCKTARDS MARK EVERYTHING AS A DEPENDENCY.
mircea_popescu: here's an anecdote : back when i was in school tho, we did this "thesis paper" each trimester, which accounted for half the grade, in select subjects.
mircea_popescu: we were superadvanced math class, and so the teacher getting bored of all the constant "but may we use CBS to prove this ?" "no" "Why the fuck not!"
mircea_popescu: came up with, you may use any lemma you can, if asked after the paper, demonstrate at the blackboard. but if you can't, you get an F no matter what's in yoru thesis. hoping to shut us up.
mircea_popescu: so that term I used a "all obtuse angles are straight angles" lemma. blazed through the geometry section with it.
mike_c: and demonstrated that how?
mircea_popescu: (for people readng at home, cbs = cauchy-buniakowski-schwartz, a major stepping stone in liniar algebra/analysis)
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's really difficult to take very intelligent people through a set itinerary. when challenged to prove cbs some other kid started with set theory.
mircea_popescu: half hour later he was just about done introducing monotony when the bell rang
mircea_popescu: rithm: i'll pay good bitcoin for a -assets tshirt << pinging nubbins ?
jurov: ;;later tell nubbins chan clamors for -assets tshirt i recommend the disck surgery motive
mircea_popescu: Berkley — who signs his letter "Dale D. Berkley, Ph.D., J.D."2 — begins by pre-refuting his own point:
mircea_popescu: "Of course Dr. White did not in fact participate in the interview and Dr. Koob did not write the letter attributed to him."
mircea_popescu: When the target of satire complains that it is defamatory, the relevant question is whether the satire can reasonably be taken as a statement of fact about its subject. Dr. Berkley, by saying that "of course" the satirical articles do not reflect the actual words of the subjects, has just proclaimed that the satire he is complaining about cannot be taken as a statement of fact.
mike_c: there is no nubbins. only nubbins`
mircea_popescu: i do not know there is anyone more incompetent alive today than people posing as lawyers for the us federal bureaucracy.
jurov: ;;later tell nubbins` chan clamors for -assets tshirt i recommend the dick surgery motive
jurov: there is no god. only doge.
mircea_popescu: motive in english roughly works like casus in "casus belli"
jurov: that kinda fits too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1007 @ 0.00099235 = 0.9993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00099548 = 14.3349 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 33 @ 0.04179847 = 1.3793 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Total Frat Move | Dan Bilzerian Throws Hot, Naked Girl Off Roof By The Vagina, She Almost Dies
assbot: That Claim Won't Fly | Popehat
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is that thing "the hottest chick" anyone ever saw ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07499448 = 2.1748 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: "She was lucky to get away with only a broken foot, but I guess that’s what happens when you don’t listen to something a millionaire tells you to do."
mircea_popescu: guy tells you not to grab his shirt, you fuckin' don't grab his shirt.
benkay: also lulzily twitter sez that's adult content
mircea_popescu: "Like your client, the facts of the claim won't, quite, fly."
mircea_popescu: Much like your client, the facts of the claim won't quite fly.
benkay: "I'll let that sink in."
benkay: how are these commas my problem?
benkay: it's that rhythmic punctuation.
assbot: Apple's Revenge: iMessage Might Eat Your Texts If You Switch To Android - Slashdot
benkay: apparently one is supposed to write the way one talks these days.
benkay: GOSH THEY FIXED THAT OKAY BINGOBOINGO
BingoBoingo: benkay: Apparently they haven't completely
benkay: i'm already resigned to losing this number.
benkay: but i never owned the keys for it, so i guess i never really owned it.
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benkay: "Mr Bilzerian will never, even permit the case to be resolved prior to the inevitable judgement in his favor."
BingoBoingo: The NSA just needs to open up their data dumps to the public. Just brand it socialized cloud storage, or UberPastebin.
jurov: BingoBoingo: they will be opened regardless. bits want to be free
mircea_popescu: no, it's not that bits want ot be free. it's that any sufficiently large bureaucracy wants to be fucked.
BingoBoingo: jurov: I just think it is the only way this "cloud" concept can be saved
benkay: businesses don't need saving
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00310599 / 0.00311106 / 0.0031169 (288 shares, 0.90 BTC), 7D: 0.00310046 / 0.00310484 / 0.0031169 (1257 shares, 3.90 BTC), 30D: 0.00294249 / 0.00317913 / 0.00328679 (2452 shares, 7.80 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (471 shares, 0.10 BTC), 7D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (2111 shares, 0.46 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021509 / 0.00021725 (1054461 shares, 226.81 BTC)
atcbot: 56k@238 7k@237 9k@235 | 5k@220 68k@200 4k@195
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12669 @ 0.00099639 = 12.6233 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0419 = 0.2095 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.04195 = 0.1259 BTC [+]
assbot: Air Force Prepares to Dismantle HAARP - Slashdot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00099402 = 5.2186 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: ooo just noticed that benkay went on a blogging bender. nice
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell benkay "the developing world" is a hackneyed term. they're not developing into shit. nor is our progressive definition of the "developed world" anything more than a historical blip, an aberration. toss the dichotomy in the trash along with money laundering
bitcoinpete: and 20% tax on greek bond capital gains ain't that bad, shocking broken promise aside. 33% for legal entities is a swift kick to the nuts though
benkay: shoulda i put it in scare quotes?
bitcoinpete: where does greece get off thinking they can make their own decisions?
benkay: also w/r/t tax it's criminal. those bonds were tax free until now, i believe.
benkay: i was relying on my readers to interpolate scare quotes.
benkay: oh hey i capitalized it
benkay: that should be sarcasm cue enough
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00099164 = 16.4612 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: but i didn't have to work for it
benkay: (revolts is perhaps too strong. much love to mike_c for the ads.)
benkay: kakobrekla: bitbet looks great!
benkay: and how color blind one is
kakobrekla: yeah, maybe MP thinks he bet on NO on berkshire bet
bitcoinpete: i watched around the world in 80 days last night and i coulda sworn they used perimutuel betting
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla your scam green looking red has made me bet on the wrong side. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT
assbot: How to cancel your BitBet bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete probably. it was quite popular for all of history, up until some american swindler noticed he can't really rob the punters blind with it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7787 @ 0.00099093 = 7.7164 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: 38 Yahoo Questions That Will Destroy Your Faith In Humanity
jurov: i liked #4 .. but then #5 D:
bitcoinpete: #18: do you think nasa invented thunderstorms to cover up the sound of space battles?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07489252 = 1.0485 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: #23: how turn computer monitor into mirror? scanning a mirror doesn't work
jurov: Why does my cat vibrate?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 59 @ 0.07692541 = 4.5386 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07799999 = 0.624 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: can there be anything worse than self-styled journalists
assbot: Nautiluscoin is cool because it incorporates everything learned about crypto so far, and its helmed by a famous fund manager / CNBC pundit
assbot: Nautiluscoin is a classy rebuttal to the people & institutions who said they cant use Bitcoin without knowing its creator.
fluffypony: please someone stab this guy in the face
assbot: ~~every coffee shop in 2017~~ Bitcoin, Vertcoin, Myriad accepted here! (for credit cards, additional fees apply)"
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I have a special place in my heart filled with vile for him
bitcoinpete: ya he <3 vertcoin, maybe he can do promo for you?
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: we already pulled the entire thing because of him
fluffypony: Redditards did the groupthink thing and decided we were a scam
benkay: no they kill legit operators
fluffypony: I've been slowly putting some thoughts down and a timeline of how things went down as a blog post
fluffypony: well the final straw for me was when some redditard said I control a sea of Reddit accounts
fluffypony: and I'm manipulating all the downvotes
fluffypony: because of course nobody would downvote except the thousands of accounts under my helm
benkay: this is one of those "company you keep" situations.
fluffypony: benkay: from which perspective? (got 1am slow-brain atm)
benkay: if every altcoin is a scam
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: phone numbers need to move on the gpg format. << this, i'd like to see
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Nautiluscoin is cool because it incorporates everything learned about crypto so far, and its helmed by a famous fund manager / CNBC pundit << yeah, the max keiser string of scamcoins (keisercoin, auroracoin) all worked splendid.
assbot: Nautiluscoin ends amateur hour for Scrypt coins.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony every god damned fucking noob does this. "oh, biggest ever" "let me tell you about my design"
bitcoinpete: because the americans haven't produced anything for years
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: agreed - plus David Seaman is a special case
bitcoinpete: they're reduced to marketing and fiat finance. both of which are hot air
bitcoinpete: no one in the usa has been successful at anything other than talking in a generation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00098935 = 15.6317 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: so they talk about shit like "With DigiShield, the difficulty is allowed to decrease in larger movements than it is allowed to increase from block to block. This keeps a blockchain from getting "stuck" i.e., not finding the next block for several hours following a major drop in the net hash of coin. It is all a balancing act. "
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: I took a shit this morning...
assbot: Nautiluscoin ends amateur hour for Scrypt coins.
bitcoinpete: "I don’t justify myself to random people. You asked me a question. I answered it."
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> bitcoinpete: yep <<< uh that didn't take so long...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.421 = 2.105 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, been quite bummed out / annoyed over the last few days because of the way things went down, but meh, over it now
mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> no one in the usa has been successful at anything other than talking in a generation << ouch. kinda unsettlingly truthy this
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he's a REPORTER because he has a podcast
mircea_popescu: i can't find anything in particular. is he like boxxy w/o tits ?
benkay: i've successfully derped, youse guise.
mircea_popescu: benkay please do not condescend @me by using a gender pronoun!
assbot: David Seaman | Podcaster / Writer / Journalist
assbot: You can do Anything! - YouTube
mircea_popescu: "i posted a youtube and 1000 people have watched, so therefore i assume everyone has heard of me and admires my work"
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: Total Received0.32923659 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.42100222 = 2.526 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: well if he lived in the uk, seaman could replace lattes with netflix, just like momma cpi said
assbot: Nautiluscoin ends amateur hour for Scrypt coins.
bitcoinpete: also, spotted a beauty comment on one of seaman's youtube vids: "There is another channel with the same name, but its probably somebody copying the original to get views!"
assbot: How I created my own bitcoin-like currencyFast MoneyCommentary
fluffypony: kakobrekla: what we want...nay, what we NEED is a cryptocurrency created by a CNBC contributor
fluffypony: especially one that has a stabilisation fund
kakobrekla: ok, cause i was looking at the multi monitor setup and going hmm why doesnt he turn the side ones towards him and i couldnt find the joke
fluffypony: "One percent of Nautiluscoin was pre-mined and will be used to capitalize the NSF."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 180 @ 0.00300018 = 0.54 BTC [-] {4}
fluffypony: I suggested on Reddit that someone turn their Reddit bet into a BitBet bet
fluffypony: "I noticed your reply to the price bottom bet thread, and I think you might be interested in our soft-launch of BetMoose.com."