ben_vulpes: "*** Update 7/18/06 *** You have to give the California Department of Motor Vehicles (the DMV) credit for creativity on this one. A DMV insider has disclosed to me that the DMV has made a formal request to a federal agency to rule if my Beetle constitutes a threat to national security based on what could happen if it got into the wrong hands."" << hah news to me since the last time i looked at the
cazalla: half figured that was going to be an electrocution
cazalla: common for people to get toasty'd on our rail way lines here trying to get at the copper
mod6: oh, darn. ok im compiling right now with : bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE + { OrphanageBurner } + { TX Orphanage Amputation }
mod6: think I should stop and compile that in as well?
mod6: well, was going to launch this for a full sync test.
ben_vulpes dreams of a box beefy enough to run sync tests for every patch submitted
mod6: i've never used it. im guessing i can just compile/install via 3rd party package?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: some several tb of disk would be nice
ben_vulpes: anyways, that's a nifty muntzing in the first one
mod6: do you reccommend "Scientific Linux 5" or "Scientific Linux 6"?
mod6: oh, just looking for a version of IgProf to grab... maybe im looking at the wrong thing.
mod6: yeah, thats where i am, i just wasnt on the DL page, nm.
mod6: ok i'll come back to that, it's like a whole process to build that thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00030928 = 13.6083 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: i'll work on building this tool here this weekend.
mod6: well, maybe after this sync is done with these 2 patches anyway. gotta still write this SoBA yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24969 @ 0.00030496 = 7.6145 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: and hyu with that auto-downloading pdf
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> interestingly, the longer i go without writing by hand, the more this part of brain rots << expected behavior
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is there a russian equivalent to cursive?
decimation: asciilifeform: you can get some of this kind of data with 'perf'
mod6: asciilifeform: full sync of bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE + { OrphanageBurner } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } underway
assbot: Logged on 28-05-2015 14:52:47; pete_dushenski: "Broadcom is known as a fabless company. It outsources all semiconductor manufacturing to Asian merchant foundries, such as GlobalFoundries, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation, Silterra, TSMC, and United Microelectronics Corporation." << ahaha. so what the fuck did $37 bn even buy ?
decimation: but when you consier that apple bought renasas for $0.48 bn, you gotta wonder if they are overpaying
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mod6: What's the memory cap that you wanna use on a pogo? 256Mb?
mod6 reminds himself to setup that pogo
decimation:
http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?page_id=6 < "One project where my friend and officemate Steven T. Kent (now chief scientist and vice president at BBN, and a chief advisor to NSA) and I lost was our strong argument to put mandatory end-to-end encryption into TCP (and adaptations of the ideas to UDP-based protocols, such as RTP, hich I worked out but abandoned). "
mod6: asciilifeform: in the igprof_mem_live output, is the "Total" column in aggregate bytes - a sum of all bytes from the call's of said function?
decimation: "Steve?s design was rejected, not because it was unsound, but because NSA did not want to see ANY encryption work going on in the public domain ARPA project, some say because they did not want to see the world be ?too secure? by default. (Rivest and friends had just invented RSA, and the government was trying to declare it Top Secret, then later prohibited under ITAR munitions control export laws)."
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decimation: by my eye, it looks to me that ThreadMessageHandler(void*) is a turd
mod6: have you looked at ThreadMessageHandler2 ?
mod6: wait, these are not just bytes allocated during calls, these are LEAKED BYTES?!
decimation: actually CBlock::AddToBlockIndex(unsigned int, unsigned int) [10]
mod6: lolol that's horrendus. ProcessBlock leaked 26`847`114 bytes over 346`507 calls?!
☟︎ decimation: yes but noted that the leaks were all in its children
mod6: asciilifeform: how long (how many blocks) was bitcoind sync'ing while you took this sample?
decimation: if you follow that trail you find it's AddToBlockIndex
mod6: asciilifeform: oh nm, 115500, didn't see that in the URL
mod6: decimation: i see now
mod6: 26'370'420 / 26'370'420 346'503 / 346'503 CBlock::AcceptBlock() [11]
mod6: 26'370'420 / 26'370'612 346'503 / 346'506 CBlock::AddToBlockIndex(unsigned int, unsigned int) [10]
decimation: There is all kinds of allocation that happens in that fuction
mod6: aight, me goes back to it.
ascii_modem: as for the memlimit thing, it has to do with bdb only!
ascii_modem: and 256m is insane, we only have 128 total
mod6: ah, ok, couldn't remember the amt.
mod6: and yea, just for db.
ascii_modem: and - plz remember how to read profilers - the 'turd' is merely the procedure that is at the root of call graph tree
ascii_modem: so naturally will appear 'heavy' because 'all roads lead to rome'
decimation: asciilifeform: all roads lead to home, yes, but home is a good place to start examining each potential pathway
decimation: mod6: so you did a graph of vmstat calls? Is that what ascii is talking about?
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decimation: so the goal here is to reduce memory use, not to find leaks?
mod6: is that directed at me with my perf tests? or at asciilifeform?
decimation: I guess at ascii, why he bothered with igprof
decimation: presumably the 'leaks' were found by igprof because he killed it after running a certain time, so memory wasn't freed?
mod6: yeah, im not even sure what i'm looking at anymore with that igprof stuff yet.
mod6: i was just getting started reading and got pulled away for a minute.
mod6: but as far as the nmon tests, I wanted to system level profile the entire sync process -- get some visuals, see what we're looking at as far as overall system usage, etc.
decimation: it defintely thinks those areas are leaks, but that might be because of how it was killed, not because it was actually leaked (in the sense of the pointer was lost)
mod6: yeah, im not sure. i need to read more there.
decimation: I see what ascii means about the flat graph (memory.png on the orphanage thermonuke)
mod6: in addition to the valgrind tests that ascii did earlier this month, i was going to dig into some of that myself in june.
mod6: and now, maybe learn the ropes on igprof.
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mod6: <+decimation> I see what ascii means about the flat graph (memory.png on the orphanage thermonuke) << ahh
decimation: the igprof documentation says that the report shows memory leaks
decimation: "MEM_LIVE records the ?live? memory ? memory that hasn?t been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end of the application?s run, this will be the memory leaked by the job. If the profile statistics file was triggered during the running of the job, it is a snapshot of the heap, i.e. a heap profile. The statistic is accurate (not statistical) and records the number of bytes allocated and the number of c
mod6: so the docs say, "MEM_LIVE records the ``live'' memory -- memory that hasn't been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end
mod6: haha. was just typing that out ^^
decimation: ah so it wasn't killed, that makes sense
mod6 goes back to reading
decimation: asciilifeform: so is your goal to trim out all the 'inactive' memory use?
decimation: so that it fits more comfortably in the pogo?
decimation: heh. you realize this means you are gonna probably have to discard all the C++ shit
decimation: yeah there's tons of cruft in there, no doubt
decimation: I'm not sure, I need to get back on the patch train
mod6: <+ascii_modem> nonono not leaks << ok i see, so with -mp in the MEM_LIVE output we're just seeing a live heap. not leaks as the other doc page said.
mod6: <+ascii_modem> there are no leaks in the usual sense <+ascii_modem> the flat graph from mod6 tells us this << right
mod6: that other page about "text-output-format.html" threw me off.
decimation: asciilifeform: does it slow the processing down (igprof)?
mod6: OH, i didn't actually need to take the extranious '1' out. gotcha
decimation: asciilifeform: your complaint is that valgrind doesn't catch all the memory use?
decimation: asciilifeform: it appears a big chunk of the memory in use is tied up in the CBlockIndex class
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mircea_popescu: mthreat interesting. so basically they run them looser and with a momentum-consuming groove in one spot.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> why not just rewrite the memory allocation engine at this point, asciilifeform << this is two degrees of magnitude easier, at least.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i think she has a point actually. deed the pages, that's proof enough. and as the derps probably don't know (or don't know they should know), we might even catch a diddled page. maybe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "as far as we know" tm, there's no effect.
mircea_popescu: decimation rather old news at this point, the entire "nsa hoped and lost"
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 01:53:57; mod6: lolol that's horrendus. ProcessBlock leaked 26`847`114 bytes over 346`507 calls?!
mod6: :] i read a doc from the igprof site that had me confused on what I was looking at.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 01:58:35; decimation: this makes me wanna burn std::lib and boost
mircea_popescu: somehow i thought we're still looking at valgrind stuffls.
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah but the interesting thing is to see how they were involved in the early creation of internet protocols
mircea_popescu: by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i see. no clear call on whether they were leaked or not yet.
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assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 02:39:30; asciilifeform: in fact, i want it in 32M.
decimation: they are 'leaks' in the sense that the memory is in use and isn't free
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 03:35:55; mircea_popescu: by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled
BingoBoingo: Well, CPU time used to be expensive for kleptocrats too
decimation: asciilifeform: your definition of 'memory leak' seems to be narrower than common parlance
decimation: yes, point taken. but what do you call memory that might be a leak, or might not?
decimation: in it, he says that he feels that code that is compiled and assembled from a higher level language (higher than assembly) isn't 'his'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I think in this case it was a z80 clone
decimation: apparently in the yugoslav case it was because it was illegal to buy a foreign device above a certain dollar value - but you could buy the parts and assemble yourself
decimation: now, thinking about what the assembly from (say bitcoind) would look like - our slavic human assembler would think that whoever wrote the code was afflicted with a case of 'word salad' madness
decimation: asciilifeform: I think he said he bought with marks
decimation: and yes, apparently parts were available
decimation: right, so 'fits in head' fails in all languages higher than assembly, on the c machine
decimation: right, the 'value' of c++ is that you can 'forget' about the crap like 'malloc' 'free' etc
decimation: but these are precisely what you want to 'fit in head'
decimation: how to fit std::map and std::vector in head? bastards designed by committee
decimation: yes. but until that point comes, I agree that there's alot of cruft in there - there's no reason why working memory needs to be gigabytes
decimation: the folks being everyone holding bitcoin (with expectation of trading them for something)
decimation: asciilifeform: amusingly the yugoslav guy said that 'his' design included an audio cassette for program storage (using simple FSK I presume)
decimation: he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games
decimation: well, if the SNR was high and the bitrate was low, it would work well enough
decimation: I suspect it was something like 300 baud "bell 202" type modem
decimation: Yeah before flash and cheap hard drives/floppy drives your only option was tape
decimation: yeah you would need heavy forward error correction
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> which is why i think that at a certain point >> that point is conceivably after our times.
decimation: mircea_popescu: you think folks will make do with shit c++ code for our lifetime?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games << i had games i had downloaded off the natl tv station.
decimation: c64 had a version of 6502 like apple II
mircea_popescu: but you could also wipe the 16kb if you never called the thing, via DMA of the time
mircea_popescu: the notion of "allocation" being unknown. of course it's allocated - the machine's on isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was in rom and copied to the ram at startup iirc
decimation: from the comments on that yugoslav interview: "Also, there was not a ?ban on importing computers? in former Yugoslavia ? it was a by-product of a (stupid) government policy of trying to stop the drain of foreign currency. The customs law prevented a legal import of any goods that cost more than 100 DM (German marks, about 50 Euros in todays money). "
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decimation: asciilifeform: was it because loading the contents of the rom into ram allowed a single address space?
decimation: especially with modern cpus that have tons of cache
decimation: to the poor slav z80 coder, the 'naked' xeon has embarassingly rich resources
decimation: asciilifeform: ideally you would want to connect this naked cpu to others via the memory bus
decimation: but God help the poor soul who would try
decimation: well, off the shelf you could attach to a good 10gigE card with netboot
decimation: it would be cheap to use a 1 gige, but it would also have sad throughput
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decimation: yeah I can imagine it for a pair of cpus, but what if you wanted N cpus?
decimation: yeah, but if they can afford it they can also probably also afford to design a custom motherboard
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decimation: the original 'cray' machines used differential ecl lines
decimation: "Each cable between the modules was a twisted pair, cut to a specific length in order to guarantee the signals arrived at precisely the right time and minimize electrical reflection. Each signal produced by the ECL circuitry was a differential pair, so the signals were balanced. " <
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-1 decimation: well, with clock rates above 500 mhz, your pcb starts to look like an rf transmission line
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> arguably none of the others needed to be learned.. randomize usr eh.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, it would be 72 cubits high, translucent, ageless, nonmenstruating and deliver pregnancy to term within the day
mircea_popescu: mostly because
http://trenchcoatx.com/about lulz. "We believe in high quality product, fair prices for the consumer, and fair pay for the people who work for us. Right now we’re in beta, figuring out how these values fit into today’s adult entertainment industry. "
mircea_popescu: glhf. the problems of being born in the 80s, ie, too late.
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mircea_popescu: amusingly, this is EXACTLY how communists ran their industry in romania of the 60s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00031723 = 4.0923 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "eRadiators makes the data more secure: "It becomes nearly impossible to know what data is where, when it is there and how to get to it," Nerdalize's Florian Schneider told the BBC."
punkman: I wonder how they'll keep the workload at 1kw when the box doesn't have work to do, run some useless code?
punkman: maybe cpu-mine bitcoin for a couple satoshis :P
punkman: mircea_popescu: "free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!" << "Academica has installed a new 2MW database server centre ... Water warmed while cooling the servers will go on to provide heat for 500 homes or 1,000 flats ... After the heat is extracted, the water will be recycled back to cool the servers again."
punkman: not a bad approach if you don't have to suffer the smog I guess
Vexual: lol tamper proof, not in my loungeroom
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Vexual: id put a little rainbow sticker on a kb and get alf and mp 'round with a case of cognac
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jurov: <ben_vulpes> quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise
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mircea_popescu: punkman the correct way to do this would be with heat exchangers of course.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.0151 = 1.2533 BTC [+]
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assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 05:34:06; mircea_popescu: "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol
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mod6: btw my test with both of your patches {thermonuke} + {tx amputation} is at 193988
mod6: ok. -p doens't seem to be a thing...
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danielpbarron: no problem; i'll keep upping you till you get a gpg key registered
punkman: "There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration."
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danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Cusipzzz.-1:aa2a317c92fbd75f2a22c41ad0c1e50143a0b05f2b9b8e6adcb1995a92ca2b32
☟︎ assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for Cusipzzz with note: banned me from -otc for speaking out against the fork
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BingoBoingo: Phuctor is closing in on half a million moduli
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jurov: asciilifeform: why do you think? the patches are not there? unless i made a mistake, it is the result of mod6's 0.5.3.1 release build script
jurov: mod6 why did you change directory layout in the .tar.gz? i either lose the ability ot compare it to other versions, or lose all files like README, auto.sh that are on the top level
jurov: (the latter happened in this case)
jurov: and looks like nobody ever followed the manual when submitting additional signatures to the turdatron :(
jurov: mod6: original releases have src folder one level deep, your has it two
mod6: yeah, this is where these artifacts needed to be.
jurov: and it's ever more important than consistency for comparisons?
mod6: it didn't make sense to me to build boost, openssl and bdb under the "bitcoin" directory.
mod6: I didn't have any clue this would impact anything that you had working.
jurov: now you do. it does break recusrive diff
mod6: where are you having issues with this?
jurov: i will have to flatten the hierarchy before feeding it to lxr browser ( and if you will move files further around, undo that as well)
jurov: if it was convenience for build script, usually build scripts create new directories for their dirty stuff anyway, so i don't see the problem there
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felipelalli: hi friends! If I want to sell 1000 BTC in Italy, is that easy to make this off-exchange? Any useful contacts?
jurov: you need them how quickly?
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trinque: yep, they're thowing away the key
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jurov: no need to fuss with cable tv boxes, even
ascii_field: 'Bitfury developed a light bulb that automatically mines Bitcoin when you screw it in' << for usg, aha
trinque: has the govt announced an auction for the rest of ulbricht's coin?
ascii_field: trinque: didn't agent force walk with it ?
trinque: not sure how much he made off with
decimation: he was indicted by a grand jury for... not telling usg what he was going to do with his cash
decimation: it's fucked up. if there's any good call for jury anullment, this is it
ascii_field: cattle vote precisely as ordered to - whether at election or in jury
decimation: now you know the reality is that the press and the prosecutors are going to talk about how he was dirty bastard or whatever
decimation: but the actual fact is that he didn't submit to the government spies who work in his bank
decimation: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have?
☟︎ trinque: I wonder if it will ever be known how many usg intelligence agents have been planted in various public offices
decimation: trinque: there's not need. the bank is illegal if it doesn't comply
trinque: perhaps just being a part of the same govt is enough for them to help each other
trinque: does seem though that certain things always find a willing judge
decimation: well, they are elected by the same cattle generally
trinque: I always think of Jessie Ventura's story about being summoned to DC for questioning by the CIA
trinque: topic of "where the fuck did you come from?"
ascii_field: <decimation> another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace
☟︎ felipelalli: jurov: I'm not sure yet, it is not for me, but to my father. As soon I have more details, can I contact you in pvt?
decimation: yeah, somebody somewhere pulled the trigger, no doubt
decimation: probably because of political enmity or whatever
jurov: felipelalli: yes you can
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00031714 = 17.1256 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: opening trilema in public is always a dice roll
jurov: felipelalli: i recommend explaining to your father asap that it's better not to sell whole package at once
felipelalli: jurov: I said that to him. He said he'll study to keep (or distribute) some part in bitcoin. I already found sellers here in Brazil.
trinque: decimation: in reading the indictment of the former speaker, the terrible consequences of using "intent" as a legal concept are apparent
trinque: allows for a black hole of thoughtcrime charges
williamdunne: felipelalli: You want to sell? I might be able to organize this for you
trinque: it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own
☟︎ felipelalli: williamdunne: move usd from Brazil to Italy. My father is studying to use bitcoin. A Brazilian exchange is helping me with that but the problem now is find buyers in Italy.
williamdunne: You don't need money in Italy, you need money in Europe
williamdunne: But yes, I can't organize 200k in cash but I can probably find a buyer via bank transfer
felipelalli: williamdunne: they can make free transfer between different countries?
williamdunne: Yes, but why would you care about free on a deal that large?
williamdunne: Aha, well yes. But on 1000 bitcoin even a wire transfer at 20 euros isn't really a problem :D
williamdunne: But yes, do you need this? I will speak to someone
felipelalli: I have to talk with him again. I'm waiting his call.
williamdunne: Sure thing, I'll PM you if I know someone interested
jurov: wiring 200k euro isn't a problem if you're a company that does it like, every month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00032949 = 10.4448 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10699 @ 0.00032904 = 3.5204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66800 @ 0.00032974 = 22.0266 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: hey check it out, nsa-dev goes to join ver-foundation in the pile of relevancy ?
assbot: You have not rated sipa.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell sipa if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, i'll rate you so you can voice.
☟︎ assbot: You rated user BlueMatt on 06-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: one of the very few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful..
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell BlueMatt if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, you have a rating already, so you can voice.
mircea_popescu: there's no expectation the contents of the boxes be obsolete any time before it amortises.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 10:00:11; jurov: <ben_vulpes> quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36255 @ 0.00033716 = 12.2237 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice, while in practice theory does not exist." fify!
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 14:03:10; asciilifeform: the interesting number, btw, is 269868
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00033891 = 15.2679 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: as BingoBoingo points out, this has been a very high lulz week.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the one interesting tidbit in all this : one difference between current bitcoin and hearn-bitcoin is that the latter replaces Jeff Garzik's DNS seed with the seed run by one Addy Yeow.
BingoBoingo: Also this is only high lolz compared to recent weeks. We're probably still below December's lolz levels still.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8917 @ 0.00033066 = 2.9485 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: not just from a "must be in there for we need all the dns-carried pores imported via glibc etc", but also in the much lower level "who's in charge of the it!!1" thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32533 @ 0.00032246 = 10.4906 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 16:18:27; punkman: "There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration."
BingoBoingo: Ah, the nodecounter that only counts post Hearnfork1 nodes
BingoBoingo: Of course software developers get no say. The say goes to the content farms in the Phillipines.
mircea_popescu: "i paid someone to make five hundred thousand fake facebook pages that like me, SO THERE1!1"
mircea_popescu: i remember the sad days when all we had was kludge the banker and ponzi the smooth operator.
mircea_popescu: got slightly better once mtgox got finished, but not by much. that year's lolcow promotion was delulded fatso, the pageantry genius with her "chamber of commerce", that schmuck in ny that meanwhile got sent to "privately practice" with his privates...
mircea_popescu: 2014 wasn't altogether bad, but it doesn't hold a candle to 2015 so far.
mircea_popescu: drastically humiliated cantor fitzgerald vp, drastically humiliated nsa assets, i can't wait for autumn.
assbot: Logged on 28-05-2015 22:27:06; cazalla: i'm sure there is a better way to do it but relying on archive.today probably isn't that great an idea but not sure what else to do (for example, all the bitcoin auction stuff has been completely removed from the US Marshall's website)
mircea_popescu: mildly humiliated us marshalls service and slightly more humiliated federal prosecutors. tho both of these being public servants, they can do a lot better than this.
BingoBoingo: They still have enough name of their own that they can cut their expenses gawker style without collecting as much gawker stench
mircea_popescu: gawker was somehow the loss leader in that, but otherwise "industry"-wide it's been a serious case of "work for free or don't work at all, for money there isn't".
cazalla: i overstated that tbh.. most of it has been removed, there are a few remnants but the majority is gone
mircea_popescu: which, inasmuch as it's factually correct, is what it is.
mircea_popescu: "On Friday, Kipnis published another piece in the Chronicle, revealing that, in a twist that's ironic on more than one level, she is now the subject of an investigation into graduate student complaints that her earlier column and a subsequent tweet violated Title IX, the law that prohibits sex descrimination in education."
cazalla: most of it is pdf and xls files such as www.usmarshals.gov/readingroom/foia_logs/2014_foia_log.xlsx
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as the woman's public communication is being indicted for failing to kow-tow to idiocy, it'd seem this is just cultural-revolution style maoism.
cazalla: still shows foia requests unresolved
mircea_popescu: cazalla ahahaha idiots. same derps did this purge job that did thew original reddit "bitcoin blocks consensus" purge job ?
BingoBoingo: Ironically the definition of irony used on the ESL interwebz has expanded so much it has no meaning. It nao has as much meaning as "a" or "the"