Namworld: Regarding dragonflies... When doing canoe/kayak on a river and being pestered by large black flies. It's fun to watch dragonflies sweep in and catch the flies in flight.
mircea_popescu: o ya.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckvBLS58sk << fucking ballet check that out
assbot: Dragonfly Slow Motion - YouTube
Namworld: Eheh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00075125 = 8.0759 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: CuNTs https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j7GNikx7GnU/VClcxRgYiiI/AAAAAAAAEho/Zk25G01pzaU/s1600/cunt.jpg
BingoBoingo: Vexual: You're up early today
Vexual: yes yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17383 @ 0.00075125 = 13.059 BTC [-]
dub: mircea_popescu: related http://tabletopwhale.com/
assbot: Tabletop Whale
cazalla: damn, leo treasure got ganked for 750btc
kakobrekla: hows that?
cazalla: http://www.coindesk.com/early-bitcoin-adopter-calls-multi-sig-solutions-750-btc-theft/
assbot: Early Bitcoin Adopter Calls for Multi-Sig Solutions After 750 BTC Theft
cazalla: every time i've seen him on tv it's because he's been scammed
dub: yeah, 750 should be nothing in teh grander scheme of his losses
kakobrekla: former computer science student and bitcoin entrepreneur from Perth, Australia, told CoinDesk he was traveling in Bali and didn’t think connecting to public Wi-Fi could be a security issue as his bitcoins were stored locally.
kakobrekla: cmon.
JuliaTourianski: this happened in washington at the meetup...
JuliaTourianski: conference*
JuliaTourianski: circle jerk*
dub: wait his handle is Treasure?
dub: oh
cazalla: Treasureless now
ben_vulpes: good afternoooooon
Vexual: i don't think multisig is the sultion to his error
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18975 @ 0.00075068 = 14.2442 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <fluffypony> please don't link to Die Antwoord, nubbins` << oh ho why is that?
Vexual: first time bali?
ben_vulpes: wow what the fuck is wrong with you Vexual
ben_vulpes: is there a lunar eclipse wherever you live and you can get out of the coffin out of schedule?
ben_vulpes: solar
Vexual: oh i was talking about leo treasures misfortune
ben_vulpes: dammit
Vexual: and how having another key on that fat wallet migth have brought more misfortune
Vexual: "first time in bali?" is always like the first or second question
nubbins`: "Treasure’s remaining coins are in multi-sig wallets and Casascius physical coins. "
nubbins`: thickasthieves was saying something about this the other day
nubbins`: well, similar, anyway
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#826634☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 17:12:58; ThickAsThieves: well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins
nubbins`: s/sell/be relieved of
dub: Vexual: no shit, always a good idea to carry $.25m on your person where the locals would gut you for a bowl of rice
mircea_popescu: dub not bad
mircea_popescu: ;;seen leotreasure
gribble: leotreasure was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 0 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, 56 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <leotreasure> they're in the final process
mircea_popescu: Multi-sig addresses, he wrote are “the only viable solution for securing bitcoins”. <<< pushing this shit incredibly hard are we.
mircea_popescu: "The standard model is to require two out of three keys to spend from a balance – of those keys, one goes to the user, one to the service (exchange or wallet) provider and another to a trusted third party." << how the fuck is this going to help anything for crying out loud
mircea_popescu: such nonsense.
BingoBoingo: Interesting history of a software prng http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014_arc4random/mgp00001.html
Vexual: balinese dice?
mircea_popescu: cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue.
mircea_popescu: instead of linking to a coindesk piece, just rewrite it so it's no longer FUCKTARDED, publish it and link that.
Vexual: aren't we here
Vexual: hmm
mircea_popescu: win-win.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i looked elsewhere but it seems he spoke to them about it
mircea_popescu: only reason anyone's speaking to them is because of this false perception of "leadership"
mircea_popescu: exactly same reason derps flock to tardstalk
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dqrmx/coindesk_is_deleting_comments_that_question_the/ for that matter.
assbot: Coindesk is deleting comments that question the validity of their articles. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: it's a shithole of the first degree, and it only continues to exist because everyone's like... meh, whatever, ragazines.
cazalla: is that an endoresment to start one?
mircea_popescu: it wasn't so bad back when the bitpay & co set of scammers that had stolen bitcoin magazine were still hoping that brand's not now dead,
mircea_popescu: but meanwhile...
mircea_popescu: cazalla definitely.
mircea_popescu: im sick of reading fucktarded goop because that's where people link for a story like that because apparently nobody else wrote it.
mircea_popescu: it's like having all fruit glacee'd in shit. how about someone start a greengrocer already, we don't need any of this glacee business.
kakobrekla: mostly only people who already know the real story are interested in it, not your avg reader
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the average reader'd be interested in where his butthole is, if he could strain his brain enough to learn he even has one.
Vexual: im thinkin paywall
kakobrekla: i think the question 'who are you writing for' is in place
kakobrekla: for us - redundant.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: problem is if you let this shit continue indefinitely you'll have an endless stream of idiots with firmly entrenched idiocies.
mircea_popescu: "99% don't give a shit about gavin's latest stupidity, but this is not a signal to stfu and go home"
mircea_popescu: "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!"
BingoBoingo wonders where a managing editor might be found. Experience with this seems to be the scarce piece.
mircea_popescu: well done, core devs for a project that massively ignores you.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the problem is the sort of drive.
mircea_popescu: what's needed is someone willing and able to put 16 hour days into this for years.
mircea_popescu: an arrington is what's needed in this space. and by god this is the chance for someone like that to become something like that.
Vexual: i know little enough to edit
dub: what we really need is btc onion
kakobrekla: if you let this shit continue < way too much stuff continues to continue and noone can do shit.
cazalla: i'll have a think about it, i don't want to say yes unless i'll actually commit to it and have a plan of attack
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This is true.
mircea_popescu: dub nah, sa got that covered.
mircea_popescu: cazalla ideally a team.
kakobrekla: and lots of css
TheNewDeal: where is the btc onion? I would like a link
mircea_popescu: no css.
Vexual: rss?
dub: bootstrap?
kakobrekla: html3 and css5
mircea_popescu: and none of the fucktarded retardation of that guy what's his name, the wanna-be competition for coindesk and co,
mircea_popescu: the guy that was here for five minutes but then concluded he has better things to do
mircea_popescu: with the same stupid head that then generated that entire "taking full responsibility" fiasco.
cazalla: coinfire?
mircea_popescu: right
cazalla: it became even stupider http://coinfire.cf/2014/09/26/lets-get-meta-site-ownership-via-token/
assbot: Let's Get Meta with Site Ownership via Token - Coin Fire
mircea_popescu: it's been going to shit ever since the guy ran out of his 6 months of time and "had to make revenue"
mircea_popescu: his attempts are so naive and idiotic it pains. definitely sunk the modicum of credibility he had amassed within two weeks.
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean. no movements like that. you run into management problems, come here and ask.
Vexual: ive got a good title
mircea_popescu: and it's unfortunate, too, because all that was easily avoidable.
mircea_popescu: but tim gotta tim all over the tim.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: http://www.coinion.com/
assbot: The Coinion - Bitcoin's Finest News Source
kakobrekla: you defo need a few persons for this and compensated for
mircea_popescu: you can just exploit the current idiots. read and rewrite coindesk and co.
cazalla: that would be enough to get it off the ground until it has traction
Vexual: that huffington lady got richer with her news aggregator than she did maring into shipping
BingoBoingo: I dunno that Coindesk puts out enough material... Too many non-stories http://feeds.feedburner.com/CoinDesk
assbot: CoinDesk
mircea_popescu: cazalla exactly. and you'll know you got the traction cause they start bitcoing.
mircea_popescu: bitching*
mircea_popescu: and it'll be a fine thing too. hurting stuff like coindesk is worth it just on that basis alone.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo to add salt to the cuts you can do a weekly roundup and mock their unpublishable shit.
kakobrekla: go ahead and try then
mircea_popescu: cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski what are you doing these days ?
cazalla: i would want to run something like that by myself at first and bring people in later, too many chefs and all that
Duffer1: what would be written about that isn't already covered by bit-ass?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I'd be up for some story authoring, contributing to the cause. The too many chefs problem isn't about having too many people so much as a shitty heirarchy.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 it's mostly a format war.
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo has it i think. just don't try and run "teams" you'll be fine.
BingoBoingo: It's the editors/writers problem that among other shit killed Coinfire.
BingoBoingo: Like the Chefs/Cooks problems that makes most people's restaurant dreams fail
decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + "
BingoBoingo: Also LibreSSL update for the interested http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014-libressl.html
assbot: LibreSSL: More Than 30 Days Later
mircea_popescu: decimation something like that.
thestringpuller: what is coinfire?
Vexual: i spent 2 hours of my life wathcing huffingtons interview on abc, it was interesting
decimation: I've looked into the numbers and it is pretty much impossible to verify that total
decimation: but it's also impossible to account for the dollar at all
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Coinfire is this site that was promising for a week and a half then turned full derp
decimation: it's safe to say that usg has a present liability of at least all assets in the entire world, possibly more
mircea_popescu: decimation all that really matters is that the us has underwritten liabilities that exceed its ability to pay.
mircea_popescu: by how much is an academic point.
decimation: yes, the evidence for that statement is quite strong
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#850633 << sounds like fun☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 02:12:18; mircea_popescu: cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it.
mircea_popescu: and there's no court in the world that can absolve it through a bankruptcy. whether they try to run one or not. kinda the fundamental reason it ended.
decimation: its choice is to either renig or go broke, it's that simple
mircea_popescu: can't renege.
mircea_popescu: and can't go broke.
mircea_popescu: it's choice is to start sucking cock or try a totalitarian state play.
mircea_popescu: it'll try both, fail both, and that's that.
Vexual: funnily space missions aren't insured generally
Dimsler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqAYcqz54cw
assbot: Brooklyn Existentialism - YouTube
Dimsler: such a gem of video
TheNewDeal: truthfully?
Dimsler: yes
Dimsler: disprove all the theories of idiotic englightenment thinkers
TheNewDeal: for example
Dimsler: those are provided for you in the actual discussion
Dimsler: if you bother to listen to it
decimation: speaking of totalitarian play, Australia is pioneering that one: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/parliament-bullied-to-pass-national-security-laws-says-greens-senator-scott-ludlam-20140924-10lir9.html
decimation: "Other concerns he and others have raised relate to the lack of whistleblower protections in the new laws, which jail those who "recklessly" disclose intelligence information. That would include journalists, bloggers or officials, who could be jailed for 10 years"
Dimsler: lol australia
Vexual: yep united states sandbox
cazalla: no more waltzing matilda for me
decimation: I like the "recklessly" in quotes, because they really wanted to say вредительство
Vexual: trasnlation?
Dimsler: its a form of crime
Dimsler: to cause harm
Dimsler: commie lingo
Vexual: more info?
Vexual: |more
decimation: "wrecker", but hearkening back to RSFSR penal codes that allow anyone to be jailed because they were found to be thwarting the great leader's plans
Dimsler: the term means to sabotage a political insititue
cazalla: interestingly, google image search for вредительство shows wrecking balls
mircea_popescu: the term means to pose a threat to the delusions of sovereignity of one less powerful.
Vexual: hmm
Vexual: ahh
Dimsler: yes
mircea_popescu: in the original case, the "workers" and their "party"
decimation: in pratice, anyone who was 'volunteered' to go to the gulag by someone who wanted to 'prove' how powerful they were
decimation: mircea made some good points on this subject but I think the logs were lost
TheNewDeal: dimsler, are marx and freud considered enlightenment thinkers to you?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5585 @ 0.00075059 = 4.192 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7015 @ 0.00074936 = 5.2568 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: decimation im sure i still have them, somewhere. i dun recall this discussion tho.
decimation: you wrote about how those who went to the gulag were volunteers (or volunteered) by people who wanted to be somebodies
mircea_popescu: lessee
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag
assbot: 0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+volunteer+gulag
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747378☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-07-2014 10:46:38; mircea_popescu: well... the gulag wasn't avoidable, not practically.
mircea_popescu: o there we go. ty asciilifeform
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue. /// seems like these things never last though, the talent scatters so quickly these days. i'm into the idea though
mircea_popescu: amusingly, gulag references are very sparse in the year before stan showed up
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves which is why drive's what's needed yeah
thickasthieves: just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :)
decimation: as I recall assbot was down when the conversation I recall happened - or I could be wrong
asciilifeform: incidentally, interesting to examine etymology of gulag
Vexual: sounds like hungarian stew to my ear
asciilifeform: гулаг == главное управление лагерей и мест заключения ~= 'main management of camps and places of confinement.'
asciilifeform: so it's really a proxy word, like 'mikado' (door to throne room) in japan, or 'the crown' in english world
thickasthieves: gulash + lag
thickasthieves: goulash*
thickasthieves: they called it "american chop suey" in my elementary school
TheNewDeal: dimsler, despite the disagreement on who are Enlightment thinkers, this video has been six sigmas above the average quality of youtube content
cazalla: most importantly, do i name the site prefixcoin.com, coinsuffix.com or perhaps even bitsuffix.com
thickasthieves: call it The Biz
Vexual: period0
cazalla: blockchaim.com seeing it's all jews
thickasthieves: shaveandahaircut.bit
punkman: cazalla: or you could have neither bit or coin, you know something different
hanbot: heathen!
decimation: someone should apply for the .coin tld
cazalla: punkman, i was being facetious, from memory trilema recommends domain with first 2 letters unique to other sites one visits
thickasthieves: i joked about IPOing a fund to buy crypto-TLDs
thickasthieves: news.club is only $20
thickasthieves: there's a news.wtf
thickasthieves: heh
Vexual: club is goode
thickasthieves: so many domains now
punkman: too many
kakobrekla: it turns out you can just print them
kakobrekla: like money!
thickasthieves: but .com is so much more valuable
thickasthieves: !
punkman: I grabbed a .company, to be revealed
cazalla: bit.press
thickasthieves: disassociated.press
punkman: I vote for chumpatron.whatever
Vexual: meh
TheNewDeal: derponomics
cazalla: chumpatron.com avail heh
thickasthieves: disassociated.press must exist already
Vexual: if it doesnt, it shoudn't
thickasthieves: lol
thickasthieves: call it rooters then
punkman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociated_press
assbot: Dissociated press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
thickasthieves: different word tho
punkman: I like that one better
thickasthieves: i can tget over these stupid Frank & Oak ads
thickasthieves: what did i buy to deserve this
Vexual: rooters lol
thickasthieves: could rip off the Hooters logo
thickasthieves: hire saffron to do the summary thing
kakobrekla: that woman is annoying to watch.
Vexual: hes all business this cunt
thickasthieves: well thats why she gets naked
punkman: heh
kakobrekla: only makes it worse
thickasthieves: fine dont hire her!
kakobrekla: lol i dun care
thickasthieves: :)
punkman: so much derp http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2014/09/04/mens-fashion-frank-and-oak-15-million/
assbot: Millennial Men's Fashion Retailer Frank And Oak Raises $15 Million - Forbes
punkman: "We love commerce, especially new forms of e-commerce which are mobile first,"
thickasthieves: let's make Ernest Hemingway a metrosexual! great idea, here's $15m!
Vexual: thats like 7/10ths of asicminer
dub: derpington post?
TheNewDeal: nothing must be a better bubble predicter than the success of usian fashion businesses
punkman: http://recode.net/2014/07/31/nordstrom-will-pay-350-million-for-trunk-club/
assbot: Nordstrom Will Pay $350 Million for Trunk Club | Re/code
thickasthieves: we're trailblazers in trailblazing
punkman: mobile first trailblazing
thickasthieves: i'm a fan of selling things where i can sell things
Vexual: nice first exit; i like the style
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves> just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :) <<< nah the problem is that ba blogs are author driven, and authors can't generally be arsed to discuss events like leotreasure getting stolen from.
mircea_popescu: this is why a newspaper is not just editors. gotta have someone out there on the beat, too
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> call it The Biz <<< this is a great idea.
asciilifeform: leotreasure getting stolen from << lol, so that's an 'event' ? squirrel run over on my street, also 'event' ?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> I grabbed a .company, to be revealed << o ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. people wanna talk about these, and so coindesk ends up linked.
mircea_popescu: this is a problem/
punkman: mircea_popescu: planning for that coin I mentioned
JuliaTourianski: mircea_popescu you know coindesk does not pay their writers in btc? also, they change 90% of their writers' articles without conscent.
punkman: JuliaTourianski: do you know what they pay per article?
punkman: $10-$20?
JuliaTourianski: mircea_popescu and to answer your question, I'm posting things like this: "If you're gonna off yourself because of the bitcoin 'price crash', do us all a favor and turn off your mining operation first." because i mean it.
JuliaTourianski: punkman erm i can ask
cazalla: JuliaTourianski, do you mine?
JuliaTourianski: cazalla no, do u
cazalla: why would you want them to switch off before offing themselves?
cazalla: JuliaTourianski, i have a miner but it's really just for fun
punkman: JuliaTourianski: it's good for you when other's lose their coins
JuliaTourianski: cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining.
punkman: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 323135 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1440 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32430956879.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.43502
punkman: are we betting against difficulty yet
cazalla: only once and i won that bet, never again
punkman: I'm guessing the big miners can keep the lights on for a while
punkman: even at $350
xanthyos: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BywN6UVCQAAowRK.png
cazalla: actually that's not right, i've won no a few times
decimation: people are paying to rent above what they can find mining (in btc)
The20YearIRCloud: Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor
decimation: congrats!
cazalla: good luck bro
The20YearIRCloud: And interestingly enough, there's multiple contraction timers for android
ben_vulpes: midwest water birth?
ben_vulpes: > tub of corn syrup
The20YearIRCloud: We're going to the hospital
ben_vulpes: ah
dub: just stopped to tell the internet
ben_vulpes: so 50/g corn syurp tub
The20YearIRCloud: at some point
ben_vulpes: $50/g
The20YearIRCloud: She's not a fan of the homebirth/waterbirth/ect
cazalla: just cut it out, over in 15m
ben_vulpes: cunt intact
ben_vulpes: downsides?
cazalla: downside is i had to do everything for like 6 weeks
The20YearIRCloud: Although my brother's wife was into it , and she had to end up being rushed to the hospital
ben_vulpes: modern hospitals offer modern birth
The20YearIRCloud: The recovery for C-Section is much longer, and risk of infection is much higher
ben_vulpes: dafuq is going on over there
ben_vulpes: water* birth
The20YearIRCloud: Hospitals certainly are nice, the thing I hate about some of them though is how un-clean their rooms are
ben_vulpes: can't win for america-ing
The20YearIRCloud: But thankfully the one that's near us has a specific wing for only birthing, nothing else
ben_vulpes: good grief gmail now shows a link to "view pull request in webview"
ben_vulpes: pretty sure this must be old as i don't really gmail too much
ben_vulpes: well, "view pull request" in list view of mails
cazalla: how many kids ya got The20YearIRCloud
The20YearIRCloud: 2 plus this one
cazalla: know what you're having this time?
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: ;;ident Vexual
gribble: Nick 'Vexual', with hostmask 'Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual', is not identified.
Vexual: shoa
Vexual: ahh
ben_vulpes: lol Vexual can't up sober
Vexual: 20 year, think you might wanna warm the engine and check the fluids?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13317 @ 0.00075139 = 10.0063 BTC [+] {2}
The20YearIRCloud: Hospital is 5 minutes away
The20YearIRCloud: I could throw her in a wheelbarrow if I had to i guess and wal kthere
Vexual: all about the re
dub: thats what got him into this mess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11813 @ 0.00075151 = 8.8776 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: 10 im truly poweless
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10352 @ 0.00075272 = 7.7922 BTC [+]
punkman: https://github.com/gordonwritescode/cointract.me
assbot: gordonwritescode/cointract.me GitHub
punkman: color made me think it was python for a sec
ben_vulpes: Vexual: i dunno how to help, boss
Vexual: ne sweat, jusy keep being the boss
ben_vulpes: tasty tasty js
punkman: https://cointract.me/jobs/542909c5bcda2c3a3a6fe374
assbot: Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.
ben_vulpes: fwiw i never got insight to build
ben_vulpes: "build"
Vexual: you'll be my go to guy
ben_vulpes: ran into a npm hell-tuation
ben_vulpes: punkman: " built in Laravel or another OOP PHP framework"
ben_vulpes backs away slowly
punkman: oppressed.me is a lulzy domain
Vexual: for js
punkman: check the deedbot clone https://cointract.me/jobs/54290539bcda2c3a3a6fe36b
assbot: Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.
punkman: "user can choose to pay a bit extra to receive a notarized document attesting to the science and accuracy of the upload that should hold up in court without having to hire a Bitcoin expert. "
Vexual: time not important, only results
punkman: !up MolokoDesk
ben_vulpes: Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp7CYvh8FwA#t=224
assbot: Mastodon "The Motherload" (Official Music Video) - YouTube
Vexual: big bada boom in the cab
Vexual looking
Duffer1: good lord
ben_vulpes: bouncy bouncy
Vexual: duly noted
punkman: https://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/512794761254551554
assbot: If you are going to sell 0 day (which I don't recommend), using a convicted felon as a broker seems unnecessarily risky.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: what ?
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski yes i know.
mircea_popescu: <JuliaTourianski> cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining. << this is like the first clever thing i recall you saying
JuliaTourianski: "and then kill yourself". don't omit that
mircea_popescu: :p
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud> Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor << mazel tov
mircea_popescu: dub> just stopped to tell the internet << the wot dood. tis important.,
The20YearIRCloud: is mazeltov one of those labor/birth things?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> color made me think it was python for a sec << lol colorcoded codes ?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud well it's financial for "good luck"
The20YearIRCloud: I don't know many jews/people that speek yidish
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re commits, if an individual copied and pasted a block of code, i'm going to have a hard time believing that they actually understand it.
Vexual: i wonder if mircea_popescu knows how fortuitous it is for a dragonfly to collide with a dragons head
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why ?
ben_vulpes: experience.
mircea_popescu: when people repeat what the priest tells them to say ?
mircea_popescu: you gonna annull all mariages now ?
ben_vulpes: copy pasted code in my experience is rarely understood.
ben_vulpes: what is a marriage? what does the priest have to say matter a whit?
mircea_popescu: point being, people copy/paste code to get married.
ben_vulpes: i don't understand all of the rules i'm bound by under the contract i've entered into with usg and lady v
ben_vulpes: what i do understand are the rules that bind her to me.
mircea_popescu: dun worry, they'll come back to byte.
Vexual: ug
ben_vulpes: that's the point i'm making - i copy pasted that code, so to speak, without understanding it.
ben_vulpes: shit's going to get messy w/r/t taxes etc
mircea_popescu: hm.
ben_vulpes: hm wat
Vexual: you tell em yuo live in the volcano in balinese, you'll soon know if theyre from java
ben_vulpes: (on another topic, i concede that you're right as always about plagiarised commits: the signature only implies responsibility for the contents)
mircea_popescu: hm im considering your theory.
mircea_popescu: seems drastic.
ben_vulpes: under lawcode, i cannot actually know what i'm bound by.
ben_vulpes: this is derived from your "no groups, only individuals" theories.
Vexual: yeah
Vexual: i know what your grandmother knows instills more frear than i know what you dont know
punkman: ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then?
Vexual: its better to say no and smile ho
Vexual: even better, dont bring a macbook with a million bucks and a bitcoin tshirt, the shit will dissapear before the chloroform kicks in
ben_vulpes: punkman: transfer of ownership, so to speak.
Vexual: first time in bali?
punkman: ben_vulpes: bencode don't do that?
ben_vulpes: assuredly does, but what machines run that code?
Vexual: oshit
ben_vulpes: punkman: v machine: of course. k machine: indubitably. f machine? not so much. usg machine? not in my wildest dreams.
ben_vulpes: what is a marriage to the wot?
ben_vulpes: hm.
punkman: well the two machines that matter run it
ben_vulpes: do only two machines matter?
dub: Vexual: cialis brother, valium, viaaaaaggar
Vexual: rampage
punkman: ben_vulpes: the more the merrier of course :P
Vexual: summon pankakke
Vexual: ;;gogle 212 piff
gribble: Error: "gogle" is not a valid command.
Vexual: remeber that time?
Vexual: do you even mine?
Vexual: yes yes
Vexual: yes yes
Vexual: ;;seen pankakke
gribble: I have not seen pankakke.
Vexual: ;;seen pankkake
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <pankkake> http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-brokers-trade-millions-without-exchange/
Vexual: how quaint
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJJV1nruUUA
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG9fXAM0II
Vexual: extacy is called barney coz of the previous
Vexual: an dso is the affect of the colony petey
Vexual: you can check that on eatabilty
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuqEbRzy_t8 leave your mobile phone at home and come alone
Vexual: perlboy
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: then buy the t-shirt << cardanomerch is going to be as popular as sumerian urmerch. but hey, nonzero!
Vexual: hell do any dye you liek
Vexual: phase change and all
Vexual: ;;lasers
Vexual: really?
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947tGsiv4lQ
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants << "honey, is that a revolucion in your pocket? or..."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'time was flowing at a constant rate of one second per second!'
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla:isnt that a bit fast << lel
Vexual: leets look for truths
Vexual: got any?
Vexual: will you eat bacon in australie pete?
Vexual: it's kinda becoming a thing lately
mircea_popescu: punkman> ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then? << lawlcode :D
pete_dushenski: Vexual: absolutely
pete_dushenski: it's kinda been a thing in north america since always
Vexual: somethong missing from taht version is the cadillac bit
Vexual: its like the prche bit, but more american
pete_dushenski: nao it's bacon-flavoured toast, coffee, pizza pops, you name it.
Vexual: pizza pop?
punkman: it pops because microwave
pete_dushenski: it's a pillsbury food-like product
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lawskycode
Vexual: youll go better with my itinery
ben_vulpes: nite all
pete_dushenski: plastic dough wrapped around plastic cheese and pseudomeat
pete_dushenski: later ben_vulpes !
Vexual: weird cunt
pete_dushenski: lol
Vexual: thats my little brother right there
pete_dushenski: it's sorta like a fleshlight for the mircowave
Vexual: all on js and erything else
pete_dushenski: http://www.delish.com/food-fun/weird-bacon-products#slide-9 << bacon ice cream
assbot: Best Bacon Products &#150; Bizarre Bacon Food - Delish.com
Vexual: thats not a thing
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikR3PT3Zb7Q&list=UUYjk_zY-iYR8YNfJmuzd70A
assbot: Bacon Tart - Handle It - YouTube
pete_dushenski: a bacon tart is
Vexual: ill reiterate my sydney itinery with |more info if u like pete
Vexual: the ferry will cure your ails
Vexual: the boss at doyles will tell you every shit happening noetjh of the river
Vexual: china town is real
punkman: I accidentally bought a thing of "yoghurt-like dessert", they were hiding it among the real yoghurt
xanthyos: the microwaveable fleshlight is called the bagel
punkman: not sweetened or anything, why do they call it dessert
Vexual: ug yoghurt
Vexual: bring me meat
mircea_popescu: punkman because "dessert" is not a regulated word
mircea_popescu: you can call stuff scraped off the sidewalk "dessert".
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/user/EpicMealTime/videos << in case anyone here hasn't seen what american men aspire to accomplish in the kitchen
assbot: Epic Meal Time - YouTube
punkman: and "frozen dessert" for all packaged ice cream
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you can call scraped from the pond "escargot" too
pete_dushenski: though i suppose that's a little more tightly regulated
mircea_popescu: depends where.
mircea_popescu: not in france say.
pete_dushenski: c'est quoi?
pete_dushenski: this i did not know
punkman: suggestion: escargot fried in olive oil with rosemary and bacon
punkman: if only I could get some decent bacon
Vexual: theres a place for escargot in wooloomaloo
Vexual: on the main strip
Vexual: good wine list for luch
Vexual: gets cokey after dark
Vexual: le somethng
pete_dushenski: not entirely my cup of tea but if they can do escargot properly i'm sure it ain't all bad
Vexual: well theres duck
pete_dushenski: a now we're talking
Vexual: i dont eat snails either
Vexual: the boss is asian
Vexual: yes homo
Vexual: breads good too
Vexual: dunno where hes from, mental case
Vexual: no somellier
Vexual: prolly trolly you if yu o just want wine for lunch
Vexual: can u find it pete?
pete_dushenski: i'm sure :)
Vexual: i go to syney for work sometimes and i like alcohol frriendly places
Vexual: i saw angelina jolie one time, and she dint ven connect my wifi
Vexual: such haxor
RagnarDanneskjol: omk
Vexual: trasnslation?
RagnarDanneskjol: ud
RagnarDanneskjol: whatever teh command is
Vexual: kittens?\
RagnarDanneskjol: thats the one
Vexual: ;;laserkittens
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
mircea_popescu: as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles.
Vexual: such 2014
mircea_popescu: there's exactly 1006 of 'em.
Vexual: bb will be devo
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.15, Best ask: 376.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 376.36, 24 hour volume: 17537.17319404, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272762684
RagnarDanneskjol: 1006 trilemas?
[]bot: Bet placed: 8 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 53(Y):47(N) by coin, 45(Y):55(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,166.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol in english. there's like 5k or so in romanian
RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, well it would seem worth publishing the first 1k into hardback version. yes definetly should
mircea_popescu: 5823 actually.
mircea_popescu: that 1k is like >1mn words. would take a shelf.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.17, Best ask: 376.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.83000, Last trade: 376.34, 24 hour volume: 17416.49132993, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272782225
RagnarDanneskjol: that many. I have lotta reading to do. the translations are pretty rough
Vexual: all kinda girls devo, dont discount the romainian angle
RagnarDanneskjol: at least an ebook then.
punkman: mircea_popescu: dump them in mthreat's thing so we can search
RagnarDanneskjol: well, ned to pay for it somehow
punkman: you just get a snippet and link, credits as usual
RagnarDanneskjol: ok - i dont know mthreats thing
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles. << I guess Imma have to get reading practice from footnotes nao...
Vexual: imma take yo to the ballet bb
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you could also use the archive, it's by month/year
mircea_popescu: punkman google does a decent jerb!
BingoBoingo: Well, I could
BingoBoingo: <Vexual> imma take yo to the ballet bb << You don't need to use code words for strip club here
Vexual: no i mean thw ballet
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: <+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible << she floats like a duck, burn her!
pete_dushenski: the nutcracker!
Vexual: i talk too mxch therwe too
pete_dushenski: not enough people talk at the ballet
Vexual: never felt alspeep yet tho
punkman: !s from:mircea_popescu fuck google
assbot: 19 results for 'from:mircea_popescu fuck google' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+fuck+google
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies
assbot: 0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+i+love+google+and+want+to+have+its+babies
pete_dushenski: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/29/firechat-messaging-app-gains-users-during-hong-kong-protests/
assbot: FireChat Messaging App Gains Users During Hong Kong Protests - Digits - WSJ
mircea_popescu: odd.
Vexual: fail
pete_dushenski: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id719829352?mt=8&&referrer=click%3D3219c86e-2bd6-4eee-ba61-0b8f9e525b43 << kinda interesting… internetless messaging
assbot: FireChat on the App Store on iTunes
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 55(Y):45(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 52.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,149.
Vexual: this is why kong kong apot petey
pete_dushenski: "The app is very good. The concept is also genius. What I don't care for are ma lot of people who aren't nice, or whose language isn't adequate to use when there are minors online. It's almost as if it needed a moderator in some of the chat rooms. Don't take me wrong p, I like the App a lot and that's why I gave it four stars."
pete_dushenski: ^some pretty derpy comments on the app page eg.
mircea_popescu: and on that note ima be off. laters all! see you @500 tomorro!
Vexual: cunt
Vexual: wait for 3 weeks mp
Vexual: im still liquidatinbg assets
pete_dushenski: ciao!
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXztxNSuArQ
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/516754881739505664
assbot: /hashtag/sibos2014?src=hash cliff notes: finance movers & shakers love the blockchain & /VitalikButerin; shit on /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash the currency.
pete_dushenski: fuckin assbot no le gusta hashtags
Vexual: no shit, you only jave to learn to dump shit once
pete_dushenski: more to the point, assbot can't make heads or tails of twobitidiot
Vexual: pardon me?
pete_dushenski: eh? what's to pardon?
Vexual: are you referring to me and asking for resturant advice?
pete_dushenski: neither really
Vexual: good answer
[]bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 58(Y):42(N) by coin, 48(Y):52(N) by weight. Total bet: 56.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,127.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyx4QeRRdg
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!" << sometimes the unbathed masses find glimmers of light shining through from under the door. most of them are happy to have any light at all, not even noticing that there's a door handle hitting them in the forehead. a few will see the door handle at all. fewer still will give it a twist... and end up here.
dub: sydney? eat at Mr Chows in the rocks then drink at stitch or mojo
dub: dont bother with the baxter
Vexual: wha??
pete_dushenski: a brouhaha!
Vexual: seems veryone loves the glittert city
pete_dushenski: Vexual: dub in case you own houses: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/09/30/australias-options-as-it-seeks-to-douse-house-prices/
assbot: Australias Options as It Seeks to Douse House Prices - Real Time Economics - WSJ
dub: !australia here
pete_dushenski: dub: what you can't own foreign real estate now?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r34MG8b_Z3A
pete_dushenski: Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Glenn Stevens, a long-term critic of so-called macroprudential policies aimed at dousing house prices, did an about-face last week, indicating for the first time that they may have a place. “It’s a worth a try,” Mr. Stevens said last week. “The worst that could happen is that it doesn’t have any effect.”
pete_dushenski: ^ because adverse effects are impossibru when you also control the stats dept
pete_dushenski: such lulz those central bankers
pete_dushenski: decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion << too low? (i usually like russ btw)
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + "
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gItT2XTcW64
Vexual: dont let nobody tax youy
cazalla: property is so fucked here
Vexual: how so?
cazalla: cost is too high so every cunt is subdividing and building even more sardine cans
Vexual: resisentiua;?
Vexual: try commerical if they dont like the lightwitch you gotta change it
Vexual: its the fuckin rools
Vexual: enhancing criminal intent
Vexual: im making goulash
cazalla: yum
cazalla: having steak and salad, gonna put some meat through the mincer so little one can have his first try of red meat
Vexual: its fail but delicious
pete_dushenski: g'day ozzies!
Vexual: let the sprog xhew it
Vexual: fucxin mincer
cazalla: he can't, almost 9 months and no teeth yet
Vexual: well let him wait
cazalla: nah, i want to get some red meat into him
Vexual: tru dat
Vexual: hes got teeth?
Vexual: dont mince it all
cazalla: no, none yet, seems like he has been teething for months but nothing has come through yet
cazalla: not so bad, missus complains he bites the titty, having teeth would make it worse
Vexual: steak then
cazalla: choking hazard
Vexual: well its steak or tit
cazalla: put it through mincer, can give him small spoonfuls at a time
Vexual: meh, its your kid
cazalla: so i'm told
Vexual: dont blame me if it somees out a furry
cazalla: lol
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EKqQWPjyo
cazalla: see coinjar.com will be charging 10% gst on bitcoin from 3rd next month
cazalla: https://blog.coinjar.com/2014/09/30/how-the-new-ato-guidance-affects-coinjar-users/
assbot: How the New ATO Guidance Affects CoinJar Users | CoinJar Blog
RagnarDanneskjol: crikey
Vexual: such is life
Vexual: i sold some coin thru coinjar, they took twice what i staked
Vexual: took em a week to solve it, never again
Vexual: face to face perhaps
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBDIMkE3Qeg
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-pqEdjgLQ
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGaPCqfHnU
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-0Eo0Yk0o
assbot: Buju Banton - Untold Stories - YouTube
cazalla: you 2 and your nignog tunes
Vexual: lol
Vexual: itll get worse before it gets better
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glPTmDWDzLw
RagnarDanneskjol: that is odd
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxjdg_D5YQY
RagnarDanneskjol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEpJPrXiiYA
assbot: Com Truise - Data Kiss - YouTube
cazalla: muhfuggen bix nood
Vexual: sawahha?
RagnarDanneskjol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAHo7H2ZkNc
assbot: FOE - A Handsome Stranger Called Death (Com Truise Remix) - YouTube
Vexual: you know cazalla a lot of that huffington interview is a bout guinea pigs and how to dispactch dem
cazalla: ??
cazalla: guinea pigs euphemism for?
Vexual: eat tehm replace them, the wholew nine kards
cazalla: have you eaten them?
Vexual: no
Vexual: i understand the concept
cazalla: seem too cute to eat
Vexual: meh
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wtncm2yzUE
cazalla: Vexual, you been drinking all day?
Vexual: what day is it?
cazalla: tuesday
Vexual: yes
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIRR1KstYj0
cazalla: do you know your boi bangs Vexual
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lchaAtrwkE4 he lives in some houso area in western suburbs of melb
assbot: Bangs - 'Meet Me On Facebook' Exclusive - [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube
Vexual: rampant victorians
MolokoDesk: deedBot is ready for another stress test. if someone wants to /invite deedBot we can give it a go.
Vexual: toothless fans liivin in vans
MolokoDesk: (looks like assbot is the only op)
RagnarDanneskjol: theres a command to sne to bot 'less you changed
RagnarDanneskjol: send to bot
MolokoDesk: oh duh.
RagnarDanneskjol: yep
MolokoDesk: thanx.
MolokoDesk: .dump
MolokoDesk: not voices
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
MolokoDesk: !up deedBot
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412067497 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412064000 elapsed=3497
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
MolokoDesk: that only has to be done once. in the future it won't have to be done at all. (make #bitcoin-assets the home channel)
MolokoDesk: .balance
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM
deedBot: Bundled:
MolokoDesk: .deed http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh
assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed 72F18AA55B8D4EBE not trusted.
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 2 valid and 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh
assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: just missed the hour mark. I see it's announing null bundles.
MolokoDesk: .deed http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6 (ALF,RD)
assbot: deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6
assbot: deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com
RagnarDanneskjol: .deed http://pastebin.com/gQpeau7E
assbot: testing - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in http://pastebin.com/gQpeau7E
assbot: testing - Pastebin.com
RagnarDanneskjol: huh - first deed doesnt list one of the signers oddly
MolokoDesk: assbot doesn't enjoy the recapitulation of the URL
RagnarDanneskjol: all others are fine
MolokoDesk: it has unicode in the ---BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE--- header
RagnarDanneskjol: http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh
assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: so it's not a valid signed message block.
RagnarDanneskjol: that one
RagnarDanneskjol: nope it is
RagnarDanneskjol: one from bingo
MolokoDesk: the weird unicode dashes are valid?
RagnarDanneskjol: unless he changed his key
RagnarDanneskjol: beats hell outta me
MolokoDesk: oh I see.
MolokoDesk: let me check the trust metric on that.
RagnarDanneskjol: other one is fine lists ascii and me
MolokoDesk: there's one test file that has the unicode issue. I see what you mean though here.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOH15_pqWZ4
MolokoDesk: gribble's claiming there's no such user for that key
MolokoDesk: ;;gribble info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE
gribble: Error: "gribble" is not a valid command.
MolokoDesk: ;;gpg info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE
gribble: No such user registered.
RagnarDanneskjol: investigating
RagnarDanneskjol: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=BingoBoingo
assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
RagnarDanneskjol: yep different
RagnarDanneskjol: NEVERmind - I thought that was original one with his sig
RagnarDanneskjol: forget it . is fine
Vexual: .dont wurry
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g12f7uDIGZc
MolokoDesk: wondering if assbot will ignore url's without the http ... pastebin.com/gQpeau7E
MolokoDesk: ok. I'll re-announce them without the protocol prefix
RagnarDanneskjol: i think it still does
MolokoDesk: it didn't look up the http description header that time.
RagnarDanneskjol: guess so
RagnarDanneskjol: actually - it seems to w/ http half the time.. ses vexual's youtube pastes no, mine yes
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG9fXAM0II
MolokoDesk: not all web pages have a description meta tag.
MolokoDesk: .deed http://www.google.com
assbot: Google
deedBot: No signed deeds found in http://www.google.com
assbot: Google
RagnarDanneskjol: i thought youtube would be consistent
RagnarDanneskjol: s'ppose you could sign the git commits smartly and deed them. would like to see how it reads the hub
MolokoDesk: .deed http://cdn.all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-persistance-of-memory.jpg
deedBot: No signed deeds found in http://cdn.all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-persistance-of-memory.jpg
punkman: .deed http://dpaste.com/3S84Z9C.txt
deedBot: No signed deeds found in http://dpaste.com/3S84Z9C.txt
MolokoDesk: how large is that file?
MolokoDesk: it's a pgp encrypted message, not a clearsigned document
RagnarDanneskjol: its just an encrypted block
RagnarDanneskjol: yea
punkman: it's not encrypted
RagnarDanneskjol: errr, como?
MolokoDesk: what is it?
punkman: was clearsigned a requirement?
RagnarDanneskjol: thats all its meant to read
MolokoDesk: .deed http://www.mutantpalm.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/anthropophagie-1024x646.jpg
deedBot: No signed deeds found in http://www.mutantpalm.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/anthropophagie-1024x646.jpg
MolokoDesk: trying to mess with the file size limit.
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412069094 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=1493
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (6 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
MolokoDesk: .balance
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mns9VeRguys
MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/13881d36a6cf98e5fb970dae94b77c0b822c4f48e31efe18255122c2654f7cfc-1MdrUqS683u8Xo8NQKQe52UdDGq75QP3NQ.txt
MolokoDesk: there's kind of a lame way to vandalize this... just keep feeding deed files from the deed registry back into it.
MolokoDesk: I should block that.
RagnarDanneskjol: shh
MolokoDesk: I should wait 30 days before disclosing exploits?
MolokoDesk: heh
MolokoDesk: we're here to break it.
punkman: .deed http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
punkman: !up deedbot
RagnarDanneskjol: it had voice
punkman: nah
RagnarDanneskjol: oh
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPkJeziNyI
RagnarDanneskjol: .deed http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 1 valid deed in http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
Vexual: all the ladies in washington are scrabl,ing to get outta town
Vexual: better roll your aeroplane down
punkman: does it detect duplicates?
MolokoDesk: no
RagnarDanneskjol: doubt it
MolokoDesk: that could be an issue if the contracts have no unique identifier in the text.
MolokoDesk: "see? you sold me 500 shares instead of one"
MolokoDesk: "one at a time"
RagnarDanneskjol: whats with those conspiracy numbers punkman, any clues - i am bad at these
Vexual: alive and dead
MolokoDesk: magic square is my guess.
Vexual: yeah
MolokoDesk: .calc 1+36+34+33+2+3
deedBot: 1 + 36 + 34 + 33 + 2 + 3 = 109
MolokoDesk: .calc 9+ 14+ 25+ 24 +11+29
deedBot: 9 + 14 + 25 + 24 + 11 + 29 = 112
MolokoDesk: nope
MolokoDesk: rows and columns add up to ascii characters?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs
MolokoDesk: or a random set of numbers masquerading as an enigma.
punkman: .deed http://pastebin.com/pwMegjqA
assbot: - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 1 valid deed in http://pastebin.com/pwMegjqA
assbot: - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: 6x6 = 36 it's maybe a 666 meme
Vexual: bit by a snake= dead
Vexual: it happens
MolokoDesk: .wolfram sum(1..36)
deedBot: Total[arithmetic progression | 1 to 36 | step size | 1] = 666
MolokoDesk: yeah, adds up to 666 and it's 6x6
MolokoDesk: .calc 18*18
deedBot: 18 * 18 = 324
MolokoDesk: those calculator things are the only two non-deed functions in the bot.
Vexual: ;;calc ultimate sperpant
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
Vexual: bwahaha
MolokoDesk: ;;calc number of the beast
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
MolokoDesk: .calc number of the beast
deedBot: Number of the beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MolokoDesk: .calc speed of light in rods per fortnight
deedBot: the speed of light = 7.21047 × 10^13 rods per fortnight
RagnarDanneskjol: ha calc is goog
Vexual: goog ist shite
Vexual: am i talking to a realbot?
MolokoDesk: yeah
MolokoDesk: i mean yeah, it's a google scrape
MolokoDesk: the module is external, it's Tao_Jones
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412070227 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=2626
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
Vexual: okay, if those two sommets connected by ice det too clode to su which way they spin?
MolokoDesk: is this some quantum Shakespeare thing?
Vexual: no its an astro science thing
MolokoDesk: oh the dumbell-shaped comet pair with the ice isthmus. Yeah, they could blow apart from vapor pressure or tidal forces.
MolokoDesk: they're co-orbital though and would probably collide again.
MolokoDesk: just guessing.
Vexual: collide again
Vexual: seems unlikely
MolokoDesk: two sonnets connected by in circuit emulator determinants to the algebraic group su, what't their quantum spin?
MolokoDesk: collisions like that are generally how planets form.
Vexual: one goes one way, and one goes a ltiile diff
MolokoDesk: so the orbits diverge?
Vexual: no no
MolokoDesk: you could set up a betting pool on this.
MolokoDesk: SpaceBets
Vexual: yes the orbits change
MolokoDesk: they're gravitationally bound to each other though. the solar wind and vapor pressure would have to exceed their mutual escape velocity.
MolokoDesk: there's at least one known asteroid with a moon.
Vexual: dust and ice
MolokoDesk: yeah the gravity would be fairly low. But I think gravity between ball bearings on a lab desk has been measured.
Vexual: what commet ar eyou commenting?
MolokoDesk: .wolfram mass of ida
deedBot: 243 Ida | mass = 4.12×10^16 kg (kilograms) = ~~ ( 0.008 ~~ 1/125 ) × Earth's atmosphere mass ( 5.1441×10^18 kg )
MolokoDesk: .wolfram mass of dactyl
deedBot: (no apparent answer for: mass of dactyl)
RagnarDanneskjol: .deed https://github.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/blob/master/test%20deed
assbot: deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub
deedBot: No signed deeds found in https://github.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/blob/master/test%20deed
assbot: deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub
MolokoDesk: I wonder if it's not url-decoding that.
MolokoDesk: it maybe taken verbatim
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm, would like that to be a thing. as its quite useful
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU
MolokoDesk: I'll have to look into it.
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412070908 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=3307
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
MolokoDesk: 5 minutes to bitcoin spend of bundle to blockchain.
Vexual: well said
RagnarDanneskjol: place your bets
RagnarDanneskjol: .deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/master/test%20deed
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/master/test%20deed
MolokoDesk: $url=urlencode(urldecode($px[4])); this fixes that.. it was urlencoding it without decoding it first.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnK3DrM0xuY
MolokoDesk: why'd it work the 2nd time?
Vexual: let me tell you a little bedtime story
MolokoDesk: raw
RagnarDanneskjol: raw txt
MolokoDesk: I have to write specials for each non-raw conversion at a dropsite.
MolokoDesk: github's kinda huge. I may do that.
deedBot: Bundled:
MolokoDesk: what is this non-message?
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412071265 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071216 elapsed=49
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
MolokoDesk: it's spent and tracking it.
Vexual: sleep moar
Vexual: no no
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
MolokoDesk: period instead of comma in a regular expression.
MolokoDesk: restarting it with revisions.
MolokoDesk: tracking will pick up where it left off.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBsazIACpYM have some data
MolokoDesk: pending bundles survive and are retained.
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412071472 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=272
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
Vexual: do you need a databse?
MolokoDesk: .interval 900
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 900 seconds.
MolokoDesk: what kind of database?
Vexual: well i could recommend a format
MolokoDesk: nah, it puts files into a directory and deals with them as needed.
Vexual: did i say you could such your penis yet?\
Vexual: dont premet me
MolokoDesk: i used sqlite3 the other day to pillage the bitcoin-otc web of trust database files and hammer them into a brief form used by the bot. just the trust metrics indexed by KeyID for people that can use assbot.
MolokoDesk: punkman put me up to it.
Vexual: well there you go
RagnarDanneskjol: ned to do another round of deeds now, huh
MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this gets updated every 15 minutes 5 minutes after the mark 5,20,35,50
MolokoDesk: probably.
RagnarDanneskjol: i mean to validate performance in chan
MolokoDesk: or we could see what it does when there are no deeds.
RagnarDanneskjol: i'll start
MolokoDesk: re-using that raw item with the %20 in it would test something.
MolokoDesk: .deeds saldkflaskdjf
RagnarDanneskjol: .deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
deedBot: No signed deeds found in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
MolokoDesk: odd
RagnarDanneskjol: yea
Vexual: kinda shit
MolokoDesk: i probably broke it.
RagnarDanneskjol: youbroke it
RagnarDanneskjol: ahhh
RagnarDanneskjol: gribble
punkman: did my UTF8 message survive?
Vexual: mug
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412071894 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=694
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
MolokoDesk: .interval 1800
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1800 seconds.
MolokoDesk: .interval 1200
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1200 seconds.
MolokoDesk: .deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm - so works with gribble down
MolokoDesk: yeah. gribble is out of the loop.
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea
RagnarDanneskjol: forgot
MolokoDesk: streamlines things enormously
MolokoDesk: gribble still updates the trust database though.
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412072123 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=923
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)
deedBot: Bundled: 0ce703c75d190e72652c15649a71a97c4e676c1022eb66367b73b2546040ea09-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5mBh4rYs
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412072554 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412072409 elapsed=145
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (no pending deeds.)
MolokoDesk: .interval 3600
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 3600 seconds.
punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/29/when-all-cigarette-packages-look-the-same-fewer-people-buy-them/
assbot: When all cigarette packs look the same, fewer people buy them - The Washington Post
deedBot: published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/0ce703c75d190e72652c15649a71a97c4e676c1022eb66367b73b2546040ea09-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt
deedBot: published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/fa744e93884d6c682d2192ebbd32c42ad687e4c6124dc825a5edd7f1eeef9e23-1FP8USe3QqUwUtZToPa66kiATraZ77jizv.txt
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont buyy it
punkman: Vexual, no branding on your cigarettes?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2SZPb7UUtc yah cartier
punkman: Ragnar, look for my UTF message, that's why it should accept compressed messages
punkman: (gpg --sign --armor that is)
RagnarDanneskjol: i think the idea is to do that, then sign the block
punkman: it's signed and compressed when you don't --clearsign
RagnarDanneskjol: right, but remember mp describing this at one point. trying to find it
RagnarDanneskjol: yep like this: http://pastebin.com/yrL9xW6z
assbot: $ gpg -v -v gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESS - Pastebin.com
RagnarDanneskjol: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815449☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 01:44:07; mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/yrL9xW6z
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmDDOFXSgAs
Vexual: i smoke white owl and old port after noon
Vexual: no weed
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqY_I5dhVE
Vexual: yesca
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alJ87WnQ5XA
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmuFTF-z32U
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jND3F56tsF8 311
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8nrF5aXPlQ
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
chetty: need a laugh? http://phys.org/news/2014-09-scientists-droplets.html
assbot: Scientists make droplets move on their own
Vexual: is that code? checz?
Vexual: science in chech is like what heroin emema?
chetty: Just the title of that article is enough for a chuckle, imo
Vexual: ya they love a droplet in prague
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
RagnarDanneskjol: i moved to other chan w/dump command
RagnarDanneskjol: the repors
MolokoDesk: (ok. I have deedBot installed to re-start on server reboots or deedBot terminations, it's home channel is set to #bitcoin-assets)
RagnarDanneskjol: reports
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/manufactured-insecurity-and-the-issue-of-control/ << with many thanks to asciilifeform
assbot: Manufactured insecurity and the issue of control pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: had he not made me read that thing, i wouldn't have the tool ready for like the best reference this week.
MolokoDesk: (you won't see deedBot in other chan without an invite or join directive)
mircea_popescu: this chan is so fucking intellectually empowering.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk hey how goes there ?
MolokoDesk: fairly well.
MolokoDesk: deedBot is resonably terse and bulletproof now.
mircea_popescu: didja implement the two things outstanding ?
MolokoDesk: switched to using the 15 minute updated gribble database files.
mircea_popescu: how big are they ?
MolokoDesk: it's tracking transaction IDs now. doesn't terminate.
MolokoDesk: oh they're kind of long.
mircea_popescu: nanotube is your preferred avenue for people needing to frequently query the db to check relation that they ask gribble each time or that they download the backups every 15 minutes ?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk what do you save this way, like 1 query out of 3 ?
MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/?FILTER=&FORM=x&SORT=0.5
assbot: DEEDS
MolokoDesk: gribble is completely out of the loop. the logic is linear no queues or state machines needed. Nothing stops if something else doesn't complete.
MolokoDesk: the code is much smaller.
MolokoDesk: splitting incoming files, verifying signatures, bundling are a single pass operation.
mircea_popescu: aha.
MolokoDesk: tracking is simpler.
mircea_popescu: well that's something.
MolokoDesk: it's just a lot easier and more predictable.
mircea_popescu: how often do you dld the db ?
MolokoDesk: side effect is that a json digest of the assbot trust web is available.
MolokoDesk: assuming anyone would use something compiled by a 3rd party.
mircea_popescu: well it adds to central security if there's some catastrophe.
MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this is updated by a cron job ever 15 minutes.
MolokoDesk: y
mircea_popescu: well ok. if it's too much we'll fiddle with it or something. it is better code.
Azelphur: speaking of assbot trust levels, what does it take to get into assbots l1 trust?
mircea_popescu: ok, so what's outstanding here ?
mircea_popescu: Azelphur http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/ << making it in one of these.
assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: generally, people hafta be impressed with how worthy of being ennobled you are.
MolokoDesk: probably #bitcoin-assets watching it work long enough for you to take delivery of it.
MolokoDesk: also it's not registered with gribble/WoT
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk okay, what's your gameplan here, do you want to also run this as a going concern ?
MolokoDesk: the logic for handing an ;;eauth challenge is already in. when it logs on and identifies to freenode it issues an ;;eauth deedBot to gribble and picks up any challenge response, decrypts the item and does the ;;everify
punkman: hashing spec would be nice
RagnarDanneskjol: I'd like to see it in pyth asafp
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPCdJbZYXo
MolokoDesk: so I guess gribble is still in the loop, but not as part of the bundling process.
mircea_popescu: what is it now, all php ?
RagnarDanneskjol: yea
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well sure. gribble can't be permaout of the loop :p
RagnarDanneskjol: I might ask Alz to give it a crack
MolokoDesk: the hashing spec is just SHA256 of the file converted to a bitcoin address.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm sure I'm worth ;)
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol you're paying for that. it's a worthy cause :)
RagnarDanneskjol: I kno
MolokoDesk: I'm ok with writing it in python.
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm
mircea_popescu: Azelphur http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << not that counts are the end all be all, but with 500 lines in the past year, you can't be.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
Vexual: whats it do? can i sell a shopping centre without getting sober?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: fair enough, yea I'm not too active here
MolokoDesk: now that the architecture and methods and algorithms are worked out it should be faster to complete.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk question was whether you want ot be the one running this or not.
MolokoDesk: it'd be ok with being the on-going bot op here. we'd have to work something out.
mircea_popescu: talk to me.
mircea_popescu: (people go "talk to mp". apparently mp does too.)
MolokoDesk: well, what's the attention span of a bot op adquate to service the trading/contract flow here?
mircea_popescu: uh. answer if something breaks.
MolokoDesk: I noticed that some people responded immediately by hand to stuff I sent to their bots.
RagnarDanneskjol: whats your expectation for response time mp? on any bot maintenance
mircea_popescu: from experience you get pinged within 5 minutes of it dieing
Vexual: cant even sell a playstation
mircea_popescu: well something reasonable, nothing set. if you're in the hospital and take half a week nobody's gonna sue.
MolokoDesk: if something breaks, it's mission-critcal and I stop what I'm doing and fix it now.
mircea_popescu: but in general, if you're online, you're online.
MolokoDesk: there'd be some way to send a message to my phone or desk.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk it's not that essential. can wait a day.
mircea_popescu: it can't wait a week is all.
MolokoDesk: yeah, no rush on decisions about that.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk no i mean, the fixing.
MolokoDesk: oh.
MolokoDesk: ok. well that time frame is casual. it would be fixed at my earliest convenience same-day.
mircea_popescu: it's not mission critical, it's in the "can wait a day can't wait a week" pile.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
MolokoDesk: it's likely that deedBot degrade gracefully. if any process in the chain stops things still get set up for the next bundle.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't expect anything to break, since php is so stable and everything.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kf_RYVt2XQ
MolokoDesk: yeah, the program flow is sufficiently linear that it's not going to halt if something 500 server errors out at the API level.
MolokoDesk: running out of BTC would make it stop registering to the blockchain and the result might be one big giant deed bundle whenever that was remedied.
mircea_popescu: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7691289 "This could be huge in my opinion"
assbot: Truthcoin: Trustless, Decentralized Bitcoin Prediction Marketplace | Hacker News
mircea_popescu: yeah it was huge. fucktards.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the yc bitbet thread ? where is it ? "o, let's ignore and pretend that means we can stay relevant"
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk ima sent it a btc right now, actually. what was its wallet ?
MolokoDesk: I've always been intrigued by prediction marketplaces. The theory is that markets efficiently integrate all available information, so the price reflects some sort of best-estimate of the probability of the predicted events.
kakobrekla: o look, 1.258
RagnarDanneskjol: molo - how secure is that wallet?
MolokoDesk: so far nobody has the passphrase or keys or passwords but me.
MolokoDesk: it's replacable.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk it's an old discussion this.
MolokoDesk: just change the API key and "secret" to spend.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk so are you getting hacked ?
MolokoDesk: yeah, we decided the wallet is disposable, all of the security is in the signatures and blockchain.
MolokoDesk: it doesn't matter how the BTC is spent.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/manufactured-insecurity-and-the-issue-of-control/
MolokoDesk: the spend address/hash is also a locus of security.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well so then i'd better only send .1 or something ?
MolokoDesk: none of that is fake-able.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated MolokoDesk
gribble: You have not yet rated user MolokoDesk
MolokoDesk: ragnar was suggesting a faucet.
MolokoDesk: it's secure enough that nobody would spend time trying to hack it for $20
mircea_popescu: kay.
mircea_popescu: which brings us to the nextr q : would you like to develop a payments extension for this ?
MolokoDesk: however. if you had access to the source code, which is stored outside of webspace, you'd have enough info to spend the wallet using the API.
MolokoDesk: the source on the private GITHub has stubs for that info.
MolokoDesk: so it's not disclosed so far.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident MolokoDesk
gribble: Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: ident woudlja
MolokoDesk: ew.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L5v5CUf9Vc
MolokoDesk: laptop must have gone into sleep mode earlier.
punkman: gribble hiccup
MolokoDesk: other point of security would be the keyring for ;;eauth
mircea_popescu: fluffypony dude look at that jimothy guy still fightin' the good fight, one year and a half later, 2.x k posts in.
fluffypony: link?
Vexual: drink it all at once
mircea_popescu: fluffypony just looked at his forum profile
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137510
assbot: View the profile of jimmothy
fluffypony: lame.
fluffypony: such investor.
fluffypony: much investment.
fluffypony: wow.
mircea_popescu: well he was in the link to why bitbet is bad on yc.
mircea_popescu: the place where airbnb is good :D
MolokoDesk: payments extension: what is that about?
Vexual: america?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk i'll spec it for you one second.
MolokoDesk: if there's serious btc flow through a payment system I'd think we'd want to put this on a dedicated server instead of the virtual machine where it is now.
MolokoDesk: or on a server instance where that's the only thing running there.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
MolokoDesk: I do so much stuff on this VM ... my dev activities are probably the biggest risk.
mircea_popescu: warn limit should prolly be 1 btc
MolokoDesk: if I put something up elsewhere on the same server that's just another exposure risk
MolokoDesk: .balance
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
MolokoDesk: there's a low balance message that's never been activated yet.
mircea_popescu: coolness.
mircea_popescu: !up deedBot
mircea_popescu: ;;ident MolokoDesk
MolokoDesk: .calc 1/(0.00011 * 24)
gribble: Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'MolokoDesk', with GPG key id C58B15FA3E19CE9B, key fingerprint 4D4769A7EF6BB23D399DAA7BC58B15FA3E19CE9B, and bitcoin address None
deedBot: 1 / (0.00011 * 24) = 378.787879
MolokoDesk: 1 btc is good for over a year at full capacity 1 bundle per hour.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: no wai
MolokoDesk: gribble is one cold dude.
RagnarDanneskjol: AAA seems a bit generous. it is the last day of the month]
mircea_popescu: ;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user MolokoDesk has been recorded.
MolokoDesk: it's revokable.
RagnarDanneskjol: \
RagnarDanneskjol: ]
MolokoDesk: but it does seem a bit much.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol i dun gas when, he did it before the end of the month.
RagnarDanneskjol: oops
mircea_popescu: i am the avatar of splitting.
Vexual: oshit
RagnarDanneskjol: i kno, just sayin
mircea_popescu: ;;google splitting psychology
gribble: Splitting (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)>; Understanding “Splitting” as a Psychological Term: <http://counsellingresource.com/features/2008/10/28/splitting-as-psychological-term/>; Self-Deception II: Splitting | Psychology Today: <http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201203/self-deception- (1 more message)
MolokoDesk: subjective recursion, self-commentary...
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU
MolokoDesk: we're still trying to break deedBot, but I think it passes.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk so are you making the payments extension ?
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont think he follows
MolokoDesk: did I miss the spec?
punkman: it fails at unicode :P
RagnarDanneskjol: ugh
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu
RagnarDanneskjol: MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
MolokoDesk: you're talking abut the unicode dashes in the PGP signed message delimiters?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5 <
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk no.
punkman: MolokoDesk: no, unicode in the message
MolokoDesk: ok. uh, where does that happen, just a report from deedBot?
punkman: check here towards bottom http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/fa744e93884d6c682d2192ebbd32c42ad687e4c6124dc825a5edd7f1eeef9e23-1FP8USe3QqUwUtZToPa66kiATraZ77jizv.txt
MolokoDesk: bot trigger collision may need some work. laff.
punkman: oh never mind, browser didn't know it was utf
punkman: guess it works then
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah srsly i was all wut'd
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyVZFJGX5g
MolokoDesk: yeah, I can do that. it's not clear how i'd store the accounts yet. Probably an SQL database, but if it's storing pooled funds in a single wallet that's kind of an unsound practice.
MolokoDesk: but the most expedient way to do it.
mircea_popescu: nothing unsound about it. it's the right way.
MolokoDesk: authing people to make payment on the cred of their freenode nick, I guess that works if you trust gribble's data.
mircea_popescu: use a single inbound address, pay out from it as directed.
mircea_popescu: webwallet done right is also tumblr by default.
MolokoDesk: like a small change drawer.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
MolokoDesk: if people are comfortable with the size of their deposits at risk, and the risk level that's doable.
mircea_popescu: you're taking a sizeable bite here, if you manage to run all this for a while and not get hacked you'll have all the cred you could possibly want
mircea_popescu: so don't fuck up.
Vexual: bwahaha
MolokoDesk: heh and get hacked... negative cred, maybe.
mircea_popescu: well yes.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAIpkdhU9Q
MolokoDesk: ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly, just as needed for my own projects.
mircea_popescu: how old are you ?
MolokoDesk: I know you've noticed the criticism A.Andropoulos has been getting.
mircea_popescu: actually i haven't.
MolokoDesk: and I think he has a stronger background in security than I do.
RagnarDanneskjol: no
mircea_popescu: ugh. what ?!
RagnarDanneskjol: he does not
MolokoDesk: his customer service dept let a security hole slide unfixed.
MolokoDesk: after being repeatedly informed of it.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it "his"
mircea_popescu: guy's a mascota, talking muppethead.
mircea_popescu: this is like complaining that the decals didn't fix the engine.
mircea_popescu: cause "it's their car"
bounce: what, decals don't fix engines? news to me.
MolokoDesk: yeah, he's kind of verbal intervention and keynote speaker. Not sure what his early role in bitcoin is. I think he may have been in the first round bitcoin foundation group.
MolokoDesk: but then Mark Karpeles was in that too.
bounce: it's called "best current practice" and the industry is full of it.
MolokoDesk: anyway, I dunno. It's just news feed.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk his early role in bitcoin was being a derp.
Vexual: oshit
mircea_popescu: anyway. how old were you ?
MolokoDesk: apple-style evangelism, maybe.
mircea_popescu: bounce that it is.
MolokoDesk: usually CSO isn't an honorary title. oh well.
MolokoDesk: anyway, I know how startups are. they do anything to make their "forward-looking statements" remain plausible for as long as possible.
MolokoDesk: put people with high profiles on their boards of directors that do nothing but waive attending the annual meeting.
mircea_popescu: omfg is it like a secret or something!?
MolokoDesk: nuff said then.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk how old are you dude!
MolokoDesk: over whatever.
mircea_popescu: more interested in the under part.
MolokoDesk: why? vocabulary? jadedness? polymath symptoms?
RagnarDanneskjol: he is older than us
MolokoDesk: yeah.
mircea_popescu: because i am trying to determine whether telling you to stfu and learn some unix admining is a good policy or not
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqHKaslks2s'
mircea_popescu: and that depends on how old you are.
MolokoDesk: we can talk freely. no prob.
mircea_popescu: o.O
MolokoDesk: or are you asking whether I grasp the troll aesthetic?
mircea_popescu: mkay. if you're under 30 stfu and learn some unix admining, it can't hurt you. if over 30 you probably have a point focusing on other things.
mircea_popescu: jesus gotta make if-then clauses.
RagnarDanneskjol: aha
bounce: you lack "answer the question" skills, eh. well, not the only one.
MolokoDesk: superposition.
mircea_popescu: bounce people get strange when put on teh spot huh.
MolokoDesk: I can find out what I need to know.
bounce can't get recruiters, hr peeps, or even first line support idjits to f'n answer their emails.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk if you're wondering, the entire line was prompted by <MolokoDesk> ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly
MolokoDesk: it's not so much not knowing, it's having to do it constantly.
mircea_popescu: right.
MolokoDesk: yeah, I think that was a symptom of long-term interests in other things.
mircea_popescu: well, good code means you won't have to do it constantly, cause good code never breaks :D
MolokoDesk: I'm thinking more of operating system updates, security patches, surveillance.
mircea_popescu: bounce the motherfucking answer! is the reason face to face productivity is better, btw. as expensive travel is, sometimes it's unavoidable, as people will mousy over emails for a year if given the chance
mircea_popescu: and so management has to fly people all over back and forth all day.
MolokoDesk: as 'security' best practices is mostly don't use certain language constructs, or coding practices that allow exploits from web input.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk these days, security mostly relies on not updating to the newest set of bugs.
MolokoDesk: for example I deleted wordpress from this VM. I don't use it and didn't even want it there.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGbNFFqxS4
mircea_popescu: get a secure system, bolt it down and forget about it.
bounce: this isn't usually a problem among the, let's call them "usenet crowd". people who're reasonably good at discussing more than one thing per email and are technically minded so don't take it too personally when asked to answer a technical question.
mircea_popescu: don't even get me started on the topic of wordpress lmao. fucktards put a ddos hole in their xmlrpc
mircea_popescu: you can use any wp installation to basically probe for free or whatever else.
MolokoDesk: well, I can write the payments extension but deciding where to run it may be a different issue.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk give the thing a day to think through.
bounce: heroku and google apps both, "for the resiliency"
mircea_popescu: wait what are you talking about !?
mircea_popescu: is this >9k sarcasm ?
bounce: well, how can it be if I get called to explain the joke?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRz4jJ7K1fA
mircea_popescu: "too much"!
bounce: so much for "leveraging the synergy"
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 323195 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1380 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 9 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33160433493.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.33044
mircea_popescu: whoa
mircea_popescu: holy shit ?!
mircea_popescu: it HAD to ruin the 31bn bet, and then die right after ?
mircea_popescu: fucking bitch.
MolokoDesk: just realized that Tao_Jones has a "joke" payment system in it called luzcoin it's not a real coin, it just keeps accounts for people in one IRC channel elsewhere and they mess about with it rhetorically. it has a mining back end that increments the accounts in a sporadic lottery.
MolokoDesk: coin-like substance, play money.
RagnarDanneskjol: MolokoDesk - pls see msg in other chan
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk what channel is that ?
RagnarDanneskjol: private
mircea_popescu: orly ?
RagnarDanneskjol: not really, just where testing bot
RagnarDanneskjol: #cex-squawk
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
RagnarDanneskjol: .dump
deedBot: time=1412080043 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=431
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
RagnarDanneskjol: OH- it doesnt reply pm now
jurov: RagnarDanneskjol: assbot has vexual in ignore
jurov: hence no titles
RagnarDanneskjol: ahhh. interesting
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412081247 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=1635
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
MolokoDesk: ok, for the payment system, it would create accounts based on wallet of origin of incoming payments. those would be the same wallets registered in web of trust/gribble, I presume.
MolokoDesk: random payments from unregistered wallets would sit in an account with no owner until someone registered them, but that's not a sound practice.
MolokoDesk: they'd be sent back to the originator or just forfeited.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk nah, create accounts based on person's wot id.
MolokoDesk: ok. so they don't need to register a wallet ID with WoT?
mircea_popescu: nope.
MolokoDesk: hmn.
MolokoDesk: how do you know who pays into an account?
MolokoDesk: I can figure that out.
MolokoDesk: nevermind.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni. < is not that simple.
mircea_popescu: Send X Bitcoin to Y address. [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner] <
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ikno ikno. gotta tease tho!
MolokoDesk: right. how does one put money into the account in one's nick.
MolokoDesk: it has to come from a wallet.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: so ?
MolokoDesk: so all you really now is that some wallet somewhere sent you btc.
MolokoDesk: whose wallet was it?
mircea_popescu: ~~~ [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner]~~~
mircea_popescu: .deposit
MolokoDesk: so they just say "that wallet was mine"?
mircea_popescu: Hi MP. Please send to 1blabla make sure last 4 digits are 1944
mircea_popescu: then if you get 1.00001944 you credit it to me.
MolokoDesk: ohyeah, Igot it that first line.
mircea_popescu: so then what's the problem ?
MolokoDesk: they send you a microchange digit set and you confirm on that.
MolokoDesk: in private message.
mircea_popescu: nope.
MolokoDesk: like initial bank handhsaking.
mircea_popescu: no need for any of that. you just use a hash of their userid to generate a 4 digit pin, and credit to their acct all deposits to your address that have that pin for last 4 digits.
MolokoDesk: I guess one presumes nobody wants to give people money at random.
kakobrekla: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 15 hours, and 10 seconds ago: <mike_c> (j/k)
mircea_popescu: one doesn't presume anything. this is how the system works.
mircea_popescu: people can use it whatever way they please.
MolokoDesk: "oh gosh, that guy revealed the check digits of his paymet.. I'm going to make a payment to the same person for no reason with THE SAME LAST DIGITS!" = not likely to be motivated by anything.
mircea_popescu: and you only have one address in your wallet, and pay from it whenever someone asks and that's that.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk who's to know ?
mircea_popescu: maybe someone wants to donate to them.
MolokoDesk: yeah, nobody's gonna stop you.
mircea_popescu: hardened systems means among other things breaking the convenient assumptions of the enemy.
MolokoDesk: ok. with two audit trails that should be bulletproof, if it's all done in this channel the published channel logs are a matter of record. the payment extension also keeps an audit trail and a database.
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: all ingredients for a secure system are there.
MolokoDesk: uh, what chance of two people randomly choosing the same 4-digit deposit suffix?
mircea_popescu: they don't choise it.
mircea_popescu: bot choses it.
MolokoDesk: amount would also have to math.
MolokoDesk: match.
MolokoDesk: ok.
mircea_popescu: what amount dood.
MolokoDesk: there are only 10000 of those.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, we won't have 10k users.
MolokoDesk: I was still back on 'depositer declares digits' not "bot declares digits"
mircea_popescu: ah. yeah.
MolokoDesk: 10k transactions. oh. each user has a unique 4-digits always the same. their "account number" sure.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: and if it becomes a problem we move to 6 or w/e. not that any irc chan ever had 10k members online.
MolokoDesk: I haven't slept recently if I'm seeming dense.
RagnarDanneskjol: same as usual
MolokoDesk: what's the likely volume of the pooled wallet for what... 50 people?
RagnarDanneskjol: dense, not lack of sleep
mircea_popescu: i dunno, coupla btc ?
bounce: you start having problems well before 10000, that with hash collissions and everything
mircea_popescu: bounce true.
mircea_popescu: easy enough for anyone to test it, send 10k satoshi see if you get it.
mircea_popescu: if you don't get it, bitch.
mircea_popescu: bounce actually hashing isn't even the right approach, should serialize.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk maybe instead of hashing,keep a serial of when people go .deposit and use that,
bounce: then you have an arbitrary cookie and might as well use separate payment addresses
mircea_popescu: increment by one if person wasn't seen before.
mircea_popescu: bounce notrly. you use a single address chiefly because that way mitm is pointless.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: re db queries - depends on frequency of gribble queries. if you'd be querying gribble more than once per 15 min, get the db.
mircea_popescu: nanotube got it.
bounce: now I wonder, if you provide an oracle that combines a programmatically generated key from (secret) seed and (public) user number, would that be enough to recover the secret?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12658 @ 0.00075221 = 9.5215 BTC [-]
bounce: s/key/payment address/
bounce: s/combines/spits out/ (from the combination, etc.)
punkman: btw unnamed source says coindesk pays around $90 per article
bounce: sounds like easy money.
mircea_popescu: punkman like hell they do.
mircea_popescu: $90 buys you an hour's work of a professional. their articles are 15 minute jobs by 3rd worlders. 9 bux is a gross exaggeration.
mircea_popescu: (easy to arb, too, go on fiverr, have 20 people write articles, get 2 accepted by coindeks, profit)
bounce: ebay to spin out paypal again. huh.
mircea_popescu: bounce omidyar has figured out paypal / website payments are dead in the water, selling it while he's ahead of the curve.
mircea_popescu: smart move.
bounce: only after icahn badgered them to do it for months
mircea_popescu: yeah well would you listen to icahn /
bounce: of course not. even so.
mircea_popescu: !up eth2
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can deedbot go on bot voicelist.
kakobrekla: is it ready
RagnarDanneskjol: no - need to sort out who registers/owns it
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol community owned, what.
RagnarDanneskjol: uhh, thought some person needs to secure keypair for anygiven bot - like I assume kako has assbot's
mircea_popescu: giving it a gpg sig is a handwave anyway, whoever controls it can make it sign anything anyway. not like it's a creature in itself.
RagnarDanneskjol: right
mircea_popescu: nickserv id is enough really.
bounce: for freenode, whoever has access to the backend and can fix it if it goes amok
mircea_popescu: and yes, freenode policy is to cloak bots by maintainer.
mircea_popescu: i suppose we should get a b-a cloak huh ?
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
teward: mircea_popescu: unless #bitcoin-assets is its own Group Registration, it falls in the #bitcoin* namespace
mircea_popescu: teward i was thinking of making a group reg.
teward: mircea_popescu: first GRFs are closed
teward: mircea_popescu: secondly you run into namespace issues
mircea_popescu: o they don't do that anymore ?
teward: (#bitcoin-* is typically considered #bitcoin, like #anything-* is #anything)
mircea_popescu: teward it can just be b-a, or w/e.
teward: mircea_popescu: GRFs been closed a while, but point still stands, namespace issues
mircea_popescu: you don't have to name the group = the channel do you.
bounce: "#assets"
mircea_popescu: "freenode group registration is currently suspended, as the group registration process became significantly backlogged to the point that it was not viable to continue taking new registrations. This is an unfortunate side-effect of the combination of the following"
mircea_popescu: fucktards. they fail to list "we suck to the degree we will die of self imposed attrition. we don't even talk to people wh owant to give us free servers anymore"
bounce: so. freenode2?
mircea_popescu: bounce eventually. seems unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: sadly.
bounce: needs a bit of a crew, some buy-in from a few groups, and so on, to get the thing started
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: anyway. 2015's problems.
RagnarDanneskjol: https://publicintelligence.net/tactical-chat/
assbot: Tactical Chat: How the U.S. Military Uses IRC to Wage War | Public Intelligence
deedBot: published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/45b0f698f86ff1a0686936db193a49aa5474dd705ed594087731d1f4fb68c93a-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt
mircea_popescu: doh.
kakobrekla: you want some b-a.com a record for the deed thing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes actually.
mircea_popescu: deeds.b ?
jurov: <Vexual> ya they love a droplet in prague << no they're just world experts on alcohol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and does that come with some server space ? :)
kakobrekla: we can do that
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login.
mircea_popescu: an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.
mats_cd03: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you want to read something on HeinOnline, LexisNexis, Westlaw let me know
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: only him ?
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I seriously doubt he'll see that. will send him an email
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol better leave it as a later tell ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login. an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
RagnarDanneskjol: correct
RagnarDanneskjol: still - he'll prolly miss it
mircea_popescu: well he'll gotta learn not to miss it :)
mats_cd03: well... if you're in assbot's L2 i guess i could do that.
mircea_popescu: how the hell else will he know the bot's tits up anyway
punkman: turns out deedbot burns the coins
RagnarDanneskjol: old dogs
mircea_popescu: punkman hm ?
RagnarDanneskjol: not literally 'burnt'
mircea_popescu: punkman: was clearsigned a requirement? << yes.
punkman: mircea_popescu: private key can't be recreated
mircea_popescu: why not ?!
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk: I should block that. << i wouldn't worry about vandals at the application level. if they do it they may get devoiced which is enough deterrent.
punkman: mircea_popescu: because it goes from file hash to pub address
mircea_popescu: punkman explain like im five.
punkman: it picks a random bitcoin address instead of generating the private key for one
punkman: (by random I mean based on the bundle hash)
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: mkay gotta grill the guy tomorrow about it.
RagnarDanneskjol: we discussed this at one point and determined this was the best approach - as alternative to millibtc to be recovered from a multitude of pregenerated addresses
mircea_popescu: link me ?
RagnarDanneskjol: will try - so many, getting cross eyed
mircea_popescu: anyway, the state in my head is that th bundle gets hashed into a pubkey which is where dust is sent.
mircea_popescu: aaand i'll bbl.
bounce: of course, assets.com is squatted. wonder what they'll ask for it.
punkman: over 9 billion
MolokoDesk: (we've never really discussed the intent of compensation for work here. It matters to me because I have to make a living, so I have to be able to bill at US-livable rates. I'm not sure how people work in #bitcoin-assets... it may be that everyone is developing "for free" because they are stakeholders in keeping the exchange going so they can use it, or the utility value of contributiing is worth it, or they're used to doing
MolokoDesk: open source for a lark.)
MolokoDesk: (let me know what's up.)
mats_cd03: fun fact: the Bluetooth Low Energy spec has three key exchange mechanisms. 2/3 "do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection" (as per spec).
bounce: depends on where you are. in the big blue room, the sky is the limit.
mats_cd03: so, since out of band key exchange is difficult, most BLE devices can be construed as selectively backdoored.
MolokoDesk: (oops. missed mp, who is the person I should talk with this about)
dub: aside from possibly a handfull paid to run mp's questionable meta-investment-vehicles I think -assets labour is expected to be free (as in beer)
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk people in bitcoin are as a rule filthy rich, which means they do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, which is why coming up with things that are actually worth doing is so important and getting people to adhere to trhe highest standards so easy.
dub reserve the right to be entirely wrong
mircea_popescu: as far as your own case is concerned however, iirc you wanted some bitcents to cover for september, which you got, which is where we're now.
mircea_popescu: obviously doing more work is more pay, your queue to come up with something was http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#851612☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 11:35:08; mircea_popescu: talk to me.
mircea_popescu: and it's still there.
mircea_popescu: s/queue/cue
mircea_popescu: dub who do you mean, saffron ?
mircea_popescu: people are getting paid to flash their tits, what're you talkin' aboot.
dub: i was thinking mpif ops, but yeah, sticking shit up your ass is another earner
RagnarDanneskjol: one part of the conversation on how deed coins are to be spent/lost: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815529 ..there was some more specific discussion i cannot locate☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 01:57:51; mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk block-and-address.
mircea_popescu: dub don't forget all the trolls i pay to bother random anons that forgot to take their pills on random forums nobody reads.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol what's that to do tho ? i mean, this is merely how to index things on the site.
mircea_popescu: and he changed from the block thing to the tx thing which is fine.
mircea_popescu: dub how about the chick that got paid to secretary.
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm just addressing punkman's issue regarding coins spent to random addresses
bounce: on that note, how's the bitcoin f0ne going?
mircea_popescu: bounce still there, but i don't think many popl call.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol but how do you figure this does that ?!
RagnarDanneskjol: because it does
MolokoDesk: ok. I'm not sure the entire content of my conversations during 'recruiting' were relayed. I usually take and advance or progress payment on staring a project, and the rest of the comp on delivery to satisfaction of the person who wanted the work. There's no way I could have done this for the initial payment.
mircea_popescu: i dun follow.
MolokoDesk: However, I'm aware we never discussed final comp. so.
bounce: cards in the mail to all the rich and powerful. "call our bitcoin f0ne!"
mircea_popescu: bounce but why
MolokoDesk: I'd usually bill low 4 figures for something like this USD.
bounce: for the blogposts. what else?
MolokoDesk: you'll get this regardless. I'm just saying this isn't what I had in mind.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well that's why it's very important to be loud and clear about what you have in mind.
dub: mircea_popescu: I thought they were teh same person
mircea_popescu: dub moiety and saffron ?!
bounce: anyway, just wondering really
dub: or, idk im out of the loop
mircea_popescu: why the hell does everyone think everyone's the same person as everyone else.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00075258 = 14.9387 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: this anonimity.
bounce: a secret wish for a simpler world
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk don't be shy about it, we're all assholes anyway.
dub: its teh internet and 'they' are female, there can't be more than one
mircea_popescu: moiety is actually cute iirc.
MolokoDesk: ok, guess, we should talk about what adding a payment option to this and maintaining the bot long term are worth in terms of comp.
mircea_popescu: heck, there's not so many ugly women in btc. which makes one think... what if there's more to hotness than usually thought ?
mircea_popescu: what if ugly women are also stupid ?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk go ahead.
MolokoDesk: can I make the btc equivalent purchasing power of USD $1200 per month doing this?
RagnarDanneskjol: no
mircea_popescu: doing what exactly ? admining deeds bot ?
MolokoDesk: writing software and maintaining it on a priority level.
mircea_popescu: that, yes. but you'll notice it's also unspecified.
MolokoDesk: ok. think of it as a retainer.
mircea_popescu: derping around with bitcoin can in principle be very lucrative, but in practice it depends what you do.
MolokoDesk: or for whom you do it.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk retainers are useful where work is abundant and workers scarce. this is not the case in coding,
MolokoDesk: ok.
mircea_popescu: which is why things like linux can exist in the first placew.
MolokoDesk: linux has a lot of ancillary work it creates by people versed in the field and who know it's internals or can modify it. So the people working on it are contributing to it because besides being generallly useful and having the political influence it does, they make a lot of money on it.
mircea_popescu: <MolokoDesk> or for whom you do it. << well, yes, plenty of idiots manage to cosy up with the clueless and live decently in the process. not rly my cup of tea, but th world's full of tims and andreases.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk quite exactly.
MolokoDesk: there's kind of an odd hybrid type of open source made by companies like Rackspace. they give the stuff away for free because it generates enormous amounts of work for them.
mircea_popescu: !up ivok
MolokoDesk: ok. I'm pretty much out then I think.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk among other things bitcoin is not very friendly to the fiat world model of work for hire. it very heavily favours the linux style of doing things.
MolokoDesk: well, increasing the number of stakeholders would make sense.
bounce: http://www.der-postillon.com/2014/09/telekom-stellt-kunden-datenubertragung.html
assbot: Der Postillon: Telekom stellt Kunden Datenbertragung an die NSA in Rechnung
mircea_popescu: not sure what you mean ?
dub: bounce: lol awesome
MolokoDesk: if the only people who care about developing bitcoin are stakeholders, then having more stakeholders means more development and more likelihood that bitcoin in particular and decentralized cryptocurrencies in general will be around in the desired form in the long run.
MolokoDesk: right now bitcoin has a spendability problem, along with the disincentive to spend created by the expectation of deflation.
RagnarDanneskjol: not really
mircea_popescu: bounce wait wtf, german telecom wants to charge users for being spied ?!
MolokoDesk: there's also the volatility issue, but that may smooth out under certain conditions.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk the thing is, bitcoin isn't trying to make friends.
mircea_popescu: it's offering a narrow window for people to be friendly, is all.
bounce: check their home page
MolokoDesk: is it trying to survive though?
mircea_popescu: bounce o like an onion ?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk in the sense the sun is "trying to survive".
mircea_popescu: it's not optional.
bounce: sort-of, yes
MolokoDesk: well. cryptography is a mathematical fact.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21479 @ 0.00075304 = 16.1745 BTC [+] {2}
MolokoDesk: he epiphenomena that grow out of that may not be.
mircea_popescu: yeah but various implications flow from there.
mircea_popescu: major point being that bitcoin is not epiphenomena.
kakobrekla: sun is "trying to survive". < remember the matrix clouds
mircea_popescu: the perceived world is an epiphenomenon of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah lol
kakobrekla: sun is just fine, earth on the other hand, fucked.
dub: thats actually not far from reality
MolokoDesk: there's a notion called non-entailment. it describes the non-predictability of evolving systems that lose backward-linked information as they evolve and for which there are a large number of adjacent states for which the fitness landscape is unknown or unknowable.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this philosophical arcana aside, i can see that people got bills to pay and so on, so. no argument from me.,
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk that's not an adequate model for things such as gravity.
MolokoDesk: ok. what happens if someone spends 12 million BTC to a non-stakeholder, someone who wants to use it as general purchasing power.
mircea_popescu: it's not like the future of the theory of gravity is uncertain. it's quite certain.
mircea_popescu: the future of any group of people is not certain, but nor does it matter so much,.
dub: one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur
MolokoDesk: well, general relativity isn't an adquate model for nonlinear systems.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk as to your what happens : he becomes a stakeholder. there's a nice little fable re the nsa stash in the logs relating to this.
MolokoDesk: something we may agree on is that equlibrium models in macroeconomics aren't particularly descriptive, things like keynsian macroeconomics.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475163 < that.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk only thing i can agree about re keynesianism is that it's retarded
mircea_popescu: i'd rather discuss actually self-aware religions than bizarre cults that claim they're not.
MolokoDesk: ok. we're in the same book there if not the same page.
RagnarDanneskjol: ugh
MolokoDesk: economics as a persuasive force is intriguing. the way the statistical distribution of ideology follows various market forces.
mircea_popescu: surely.
mircea_popescu: but as a great man once said, "it is forbidden to teach nonsense. but the study of nonsense, that's scholarship"
chetty: <dub> one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur// I think Iceland is taking care of that
mircea_popescu: chetty fortunately for all of us, the sulphur lobby ain't got money,
mircea_popescu: or else the entire us would be coated in fluoride
mircea_popescu: i mean sulfide whatever.
mircea_popescu: i miss the old days when us people were still living in africa where they belong and they fought "climate change" by digging holes in their labia.
mircea_popescu: the current masquerade is not unlike that famous monkey
bounce: sulphur credits?
bounce: let's lobby the UN!
thestringpuller: But you're friendly mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU << him
assbot: Ape With AK-47 - YouTube
MolokoDesk: I suspect they're trying to apply a watershed management model to the atmosphere.
thestringpuller: you are the 2nd nicest person i've met on the interwebs
dub: chetty: indeed
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller where'd you meet the other one ?
bounce: internet-of-things mirror
dub: sa
thestringpuller: oh hanbot ? on the bitcointalk forums
thestringpuller: who other than a nice person would sacrifice their sanity to try an educate lemmings for a paycheck?
mircea_popescu: bounce "idiots seldom differ" is apparently a natural law, not merely a clever theorem.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller an asshole ?
mircea_popescu: or otherwise, an underpaid public worker. like you know, a schoolteacher.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk you know thinking about it... you're very likely exactly correct.
mircea_popescu: first explanation i ever heard that fits the observable data and doesn't require active malice.
mircea_popescu: which, contrary to what people think, is extremely expensive and thus quite a rare thing.
bounce: one might surmise that greatness of mind is orthogonal to what minds think about
asciilifeform: malice - expensive? sure. only in the sense an arsonist's ir laser to torch 'reichstag' from 10km away is expensive. the fuel for the fire - 'watershed management' or whatever idiocy of the day - is cheap.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i mean psychologically expensive.
bounce: wtf is this watershed management model thing?
mircea_popescu: and ftr, watershed management is, if somewhat staid, perfectly valid agriculture
asciilifeform: sure.
mircea_popescu: which is a sort of engineering, for people thatdidn't get into metals scohol.
asciilifeform: point being, a small (biomass-wise, in the count of active participants) malicious agenda goes a long way coupled with great quantity of passive (non-malicious executors) biomass.
mircea_popescu: sure, but it's easier to teach someone math than to teach someone to be effectually malicious
mircea_popescu: and most people can't be bothered to learn math.
asciilifeform: teaching to follow directions and doing a maliciously-selected but eminently-reasonable thing - easy.
bounce: disagree. for malice you need a certain amount of cunning. if you have that, it's easy. if not, it's hard.
mircea_popescu: sure. but those don't matter anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're basically looking at the cables. the cables aren't a machine, the transistors are th machine.
bounce: cunning and disregard for consequences or at least disbelief in your own responsibility
mircea_popescu: the nonlinear junction is the machine. and nonlinear junction is expensive.
asciilifeform: both are essentials of machine
asciilifeform: what is one, without other.
mircea_popescu: bounce no see, the brain is not an abstraction, it's an evolved mechanism. thus it has some channels which work a certain way to maintain it alive. malice requires your ability to isolate super processes from micro processes, so to have the former work backwards.
mircea_popescu: this is an extremely difficult proposition.
mircea_popescu: hence the "conscience", a pop reference to that fixed cost.
bounce: without conscience there's no cost
mircea_popescu: no, the cost is there. conscience is just the name for it.
mircea_popescu: the name for it you're familiar with, anyway.
bounce: not everyone is actually burdened by such a thing. there's a reason petty crooks end up in the slammer time and again: inability to own up to their own misdeeds, to admit it was them that dunnit.
mircea_popescu: to bluntly simplify, what's good for the cell is good for the organ is good for the organism is good for the group is good for the world. and that's how it naturally acts.
mircea_popescu: if you actually flip a bit in there, you'll need a shitton of boundry tests to not kill yourself with it.
mircea_popescu: this is actually false.
mircea_popescu: think about it : they DO end up back in, right ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00075219 = 17.5636 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: they're not like 10x more difficult to catch each pass, are they ?
mircea_popescu: well then...
bounce: most of the time not of their own volition.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: so then they are burdened.
mircea_popescu: not in one way, but who says that's got to be the way.
bounce: then they get out, and are unburdened again. and right out after the easy low fruit they're not supposed to take again.
mircea_popescu: not at all.
mircea_popescu: they get out, still burdened by the ill effects of their mismanaged flipped bit
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no way! and yo upaid for the lemmings to be educated. that makes you a saint possibly.
mircea_popescu: which is how they get caught. because the code is broken
mircea_popescu: and it's broken because malice is expensive to write in software.
thestringpuller: A truly selfless act.
mircea_popescu: of any kind.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough.
bounce: uhm. the expense is in the disagreeability of the rest of society, in fact it's the totality of society that bears the cost
mircea_popescu: not at all.
mircea_popescu: the expense is in that it's fucking hard to have asm instructions add one way
mircea_popescu: and then arbitrary in the stack add the other way.
mircea_popescu: and still have the rest of the code work.
mircea_popescu: let me go into details here, make a full model, save you some effort.
bounce: aight
mircea_popescu: suppose we live in a fully defined world with a fully exposed api consisting of two functions
mircea_popescu: rightthing() and wrongthing()
mircea_popescu: cell gets low on adp. cell calls rightthing() gets more energy.
mircea_popescu: body gets low on glucose. pancreas calls rightthing() releases some glicogen from liver
thestringpuller: glycogen*
thestringpuller: (sorry)
mircea_popescu: person is hungry. calls rightthing() gets a job.
mircea_popescu: now, obviously, person could also call wrongthing() steal bounce's sandwich.
mircea_popescu: but the intricacies of calling wrongthing() in such a way as to not break the entire fucking stack are staggering.
thestringpuller: wrongthing can be right thing sometimes no?
mircea_popescu: brain is a repeating mechanism. next time person is in situation he may call wrongthing() again at a wrong time.
thestringpuller: what if stealing is the persons job?
mircea_popescu: how's one to know
thestringpuller: i.e. corporate espionage, professional art thief?
mircea_popescu: arguably.
mircea_popescu: which is why this is so damned expensive.
mircea_popescu: but if anyone's looking for intricate ways to waste their time, feel free to model a 5 layer system of successive binary calls like that, see how it affects population survavibility and how much space you need to be able to safely fire off both kinds.
mircea_popescu: should take care of about a year's worth of your time.
thestringpuller: or a year of a computer's time?
mircea_popescu: at a damage of 14.4k, as per the most recent data.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22694 @ 0.00075144 = 17.0532 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 379.9, Best ask: 380.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 380.0, 24 hour volume: 14599.26597529, 24 hour low: 366.0, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.557080625
bounce: it seems to me that the prevalence of crime even in an otherwise well-run system would indicate that this model of implied excessive cost isn't representative
mircea_popescu: anyway, the implications of a call aren't always obvious, which is a point well understood by security analysts, especilally with all the practice of late, and also how we ended up with all that sweet greek mythology about fate.
mircea_popescu: bounce i don't follow the logic there.
bounce: .oO( efficacy of greek mythology vs. computer security, discuss in a ten page essay )
mircea_popescu: im saying routers are expensive, you're saying there's a lot of internet traffic.
mircea_popescu: ok. so ?
bounce: there's plenty routers that do mostly the right thing but then subtly the wrong thing in some cases, and the costs doesn't show up as prohibitive
mircea_popescu: not a good rendition of the analogy tho.
bounce: (there's this example of big brand name (cisco, forgot the model) routers taking ttl 0 packets and sending them out again with ttl 255)
mircea_popescu: let's approach this with different instrumentation.
mircea_popescu: where do you suppose it's more likely for a suprlus to accumulate, urban or rural setting ?
bounce: surplus in what sense?
mircea_popescu: any sense.
mircea_popescu: some sort of resource.
kakobrekla: urban = surplus of garbage, rural = surplus of garbage disposal area
mircea_popescu: uh. a hole is not a resource.
bounce: well, I'd imagine that food surplusses are more likely in rural settings, and surplusses of "unwanted things" would be more likely in urban areas
mircea_popescu: bounce who's morel ikely to be rich ?
mircea_popescu: if i show you two people that's all you know about em.
kakobrekla: can you dig infinite amount of holes? no.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes, because i can dig hole within hole.
kakobrekla: thats where the human fish lives.
kakobrekla: (aka Proteus anguinus)
mircea_popescu: bounce also, postmodernism is fucking with me. pretend the year is 1950.
mircea_popescu: back when urban and rural even meant something anymore.
bounce: there'll be yokels and fat farmers just like there'll be city bums and rich city folk. though I suppose the city folk might be more likely to have opportunity to amass riches.
mircea_popescu: aand where's malice going to be found as an art for its own sake ?
mircea_popescu: peasants can't afford to be assholes.
bounce: well, you won't find cattle rustlers in the city
mircea_popescu: the "good hardworking type" myth is exactly that, too fucking exhausted to be evil.
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, you will. spending their cattle rustling money trying to impress the wenches.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen klye
gribble: klye was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <KLYE> Alright. I am off for a bit. Thanks for the invite to talk MP. I will be in touch. I'll also see if I can get you some "I love PM" pics for your collection
mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, the "keep her busy" ideology of metastatic xtianity is exactly the same. "no time to think evil." they actually go out and say it.
thickasthieves: all stress is an expense
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves quite.
mircea_popescu: and here we make the junction with how lying is an expensive activity - you gotta keep track of all the lies.
mircea_popescu: same principle.
bounce: though I'll grant that mobsters risk stomach ulcers more than most other people
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough. // is there a difference, maybe a saint was "rich" enough too
mircea_popescu: bounce never knew one that had ulcer. plenty of govt drones did, tho. fancy that.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves can you name a rich saint ?
bounce was referring to some scientific study or other. says something about gov't dunnit guv
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wow i had no idea.
mircea_popescu: salamanders apparently.
thickasthieves: define rich
mircea_popescu: uhm. enough to pay girlies to show their tits ? i dunno.
thickasthieves: without restraints, might be my definition
thickasthieves: freedom
bounce: though the expense of lies is exactly in the tracking to try and keep'em straight. in some circles the lies fly so thick that everybody knows there's lots of lying going on, so there's very little point in keeping'em straight
thickasthieves: when you are rich enough to do wtf you want, you can practice sainthood and all kinds of "expensive" behavior
mircea_popescu: bounce right back to the routers example :)
bounce: does mean a lot of arguing and "convincing" and other crap. doesn't mean the cost keeps on going up; at some point the belief just stops.
mircea_popescu: exactly, an abundance in practice does not speak as to how the behaviour is expensive.
bounce: practicing for sainthood isn't that expensive really.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves or just as well could not
thickasthieves: it's very expensive
thickasthieves: imo
thickasthieves: sainthood might even be one of the most expensive things
mircea_popescu: i'm with him. telling an asshole to go fuck himself is hands down the hardest thing for people.
mircea_popescu: btw.
mircea_popescu: ;;google other people's lives
gribble: Other People's Lives (2011) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1924339/>; The Lives of Others (2006) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/>; MODEST MOUSE LYRICS - Other People's Lives - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/modestmouse/otherpeopleslives.html>
thickasthieves: the only real currency we have is time
mircea_popescu: totally the illustration for this.
mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/ < that one.
assbot: The Lives of Others (2006) - IMDb
thickasthieves: telling an asshole to go fuck himself isnt that expensive, but getting him to agree and understand is
mircea_popescu: uh. that's nonsense.
mircea_popescu: how are ~you~ going to ... ~get him to~
thickasthieves: go fuck yourself
mircea_popescu: no u.
thickasthieves: such battle!
bounce: go on, you know you wanna
assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0Z82DJ3.txt )
thickasthieves: !b 7
mircea_popescu: fucking oneself ain't all that it's cracked up to be anyway.
mircea_popescu: (geddit ? cracked hah hah)
thickasthieves: lol
bounce: quick, cracked on reddit
bounce: geddit.com, all the jokes from reddit
mircea_popescu: reddit has jokes now ?!
mircea_popescu: "knock knock" "whos there" "privilege checking"
mats_cd03: gag
chetty: http://dailysignal.com/2014/09/29/florida-woman-arrested-possession-spaghettios/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
assbot: Woman Arrested for Possession of SpaghettiOs?
bounce: wonder if you can quantify the damage to society by things like that month in jail for essentially no reason
chetty: the fear of it is a lot bigger problem
chetty: per trilema latest article ...insecurity
thickasthieves: chill factor
thickasthieves: now i cant feel safe with utensils in car
bounce: the fear of it and the government losing legitimacy, yes. wasn't thinking just the economic side of things.
mircea_popescu: bounce it's not the month in jail, just like the problem with stealing isn't really that omg, someone's going to miss what you stole.
mircea_popescu: it's the fact that she now can't plan, because lo and behold, randomly sent to jail.
mircea_popescu: so why even bother with those violin classes she was saving up for ?
thickasthieves: music industry death by spoon
mircea_popescu: it's deeper than the govt legitimacy problem, too. it's the conventional nature of it that's the major destructive factor.
mircea_popescu: were she mauled by a savage beast, while unfortunate, it is quite natural.
mircea_popescu: but this is conventional and as such brings into question convention altgoether, as a device.
mircea_popescu: which is a lot more than the statal excrescency on human society.
chetty: (we leave out the month she probably ought to get for eating that crud, but I digress)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: bounce to rehash a limb of the previous discussion, you maybe heard that the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on. same thing with your thief : the opportunity cost of being a criminal is major in that you don't feel as much pressure to develop more useful traits.
mircea_popescu: for instance, hand't i been a gangster when i was in my teens, i could have gone to school, where i'd have learned many valuable skills and in time maybe even ended up a major revolutionary entrepreneur.
mircea_popescu: the moral of this koan being that nothing is quantifiable, except for the things which are already : energy and matter. not space, not time, not the chain of causality.
bounce: well, if you go there I say "uncertainty principle" and energy and matter go out the window too
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: the uncertainity principle is exactly due to their being quantified
bounce: or we could consider that accounting seems pretty solid on the outside but then proceeds to consist of lots and lots of handwaving. "what's this worth? well, uhm... how about $thismuch?"
bounce: so the question is more of a "can we put some numbers on this?", of about the same accuracy as typical economic numbers like GDP
chetty: accounting, also know as legerdemain
bounce: could even work out what's supposed to be the optimal speed through the system and so what the size of the various budgets like for forensic labs should be
mircea_popescu: well of course we can put some numbers on this.
mircea_popescu: 4.
mircea_popescu: or if you want i has larger amounts of numbers too.
mircea_popescu: suppose you tell me what number you'd like put on it and we can both go home having recreated the entire us state in five minutes.
bounce: doesn't say what the bond was set at
chetty: 42
bounce: 4 is random enough for me, thanks
thickasthieves: silver and gold are hurtin
mats_cd03: i could not ascertain whether 'ashley huff' is a common name for whites or blacks through research
mats_cd03 trying to evaluate likelihood of being detained over meth spoon
Dimsler: http://www.funcage.com/blog/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-53-photos/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-014/
assbot: Most-Popular-Baby-Names-for-Girls-in-the-USA-014 | FunCage
Dimsler: http://www.funcage.com/blog/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-53-photos/
assbot: Most Popular Baby Names for Girls in the USA (53 Photos)
Dimsler: looks like 91 / 92 was the ashleys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00075111 = 10.6658 BTC [-]
mats_cd03: my research suggests it is a predominantly white surname.
mircea_popescu: ashely ? prolly.
Dimsler: probably a whitey then
mats_cd03: and somewhat tangentially, http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/data/2000surnames/surnames.pdf
mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7%
thickasthieves: never met a person with any of those
Dimsler: well huff might be some form of bastardization
thickasthieves: :)
Dimsler: could have been huffington
thickasthieves: yeha huff sounds like some euro name that got chopped during immigrations
mats_cd03: i have met people with all of those surnames
Dimsler: lol those are all predmoninatly german / jew
mats_cd03: being born a german jew would probably be equivalent to living life on easy mode
mats_cd03: oughta develop a dope addiction. balance things out.
bounce: that really doesn't make sense
mats_cd03: my reality is warped
bounce: rode to school in the warped bus, eh
chetty: hahahaha: tweet: There's not much room left under the Obama bus.
mike_c: ;;later tell hanbot it's working now. looks like it was a problem talking to bitbet server. improving the error message is on the todo list. thanks for the bug report.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: kakobrekla: ping.
mike_c: and for the record, moving sucks.
kakobrekla: even if its just the servers.
bounce: on that note, next after obamaman will be what, a republican, maybe a tea-partier, and he'll go make war on whose asses?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 pretty much central europeans are the us repository of whiteness.
mircea_popescu: bounce nah, democrats never lose an election again, for as long as the pretense of a usa is maintained hence.
bounce: o_O?
bounce: yet another "yes we can"-campaign then?
mircea_popescu: maybe hilary runs
mircea_popescu: or who knows.
bounce: michele vs. hillary
mircea_popescu: maybe you get to have some actual fun and the same candidate is endorsed by both caucuses
mircea_popescu: "national unity"
bounce: won't happen. this schizophrenic one party system has a serious aversion to truth in politics.
bounce: and it'd fsck with the sport of brinkmanship
mircea_popescu: depends where the angle is.
mircea_popescu: usians are notoriously idiotic in that they act all smug about how they're special to have had an axe handle shoved up the butt.
mircea_popescu: so maybe we get to see the first one party system in history where people enthusiastically support the idea.
mircea_popescu: (first only in the us sense of that term, of course)
bounce: (which is the only things that counts. provincials.)
mircea_popescu: you could say that before angie duff of derpytown, montana thought to dress in a sheet for her school play role as a roman matron
mircea_popescu: nobody even knew that's how the roman matrons dressed.
mircea_popescu: all her.
asciilifeform: single-party << usa had this, in multi-muppet mode, for years.
punkman: http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0HL1ZV20140926?irpc=932
assbot: Germany plans tougher controls on would-be jihadists
bounce: let'em go and never let'em return
punkman: lulzy https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/09/27/heroin-takes-life-flagship-campus-umass-did-university-enough/KeUcRPH2VyQWmI0lhii01K/story.html
assbot: UMass police helped keep student's addiction secret - Metro - The Boston Globe
punkman: http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/80048
assbot: NME News Label to allow retroactive product placement in music videos | NME.COM
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Byv5uWSIIAEf38C.jpg
punkman: "nine technical leaders wrote a report, entitled IEEE CS 2022, surveying 23 innovative technologies that could change the industry by the year 2022" < didn't mention bitcoin, because what is a computer and how do I even use it
punkman: http://www.computer.org/cms/Computer.org/ComputingNow/2022Report.pdf
punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2014/sep/19/france-army-of-grape-pickers-harvest-in-pictures
assbot: Harvest for the world: France's army of grape-pickers in pictures | Art and design | The Guardian
punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/09/29/the-hot-new-consent-app-good2go-is-logging-the-name-and-phone-number-of-everyone-you-have-sex-with/
assbot: The hot new ‘consent’ app, Good2Go, is logging the name and phone number of everyone you have sex with - The Washington Post
punkman: https://twitter.com/fonebtc/status/516556693950713856
assbot: /bruces Nobody wants to see Buffet naked.
punkman: check out JuliaTourianski spreading the word https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKVb2xFtoro
assbot: Do You Want Your Bitcoin Stolen? - YouTube
hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising
hanbot: let's leave out the question of whether you should fuck if your decision making relies on a dumbed-down cosmo quiz and pepper the name of the thing with "hot" and "trendy"
hanbot: all while catering to what insecure users would actually like, which is broadcasting their conquests, real or imagined, to the world.
punkman: http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/18/can-someone-just-invent-an-i-consent-to
assbot: Can Someone Just Invent an 'I Consent to Sex' iPhone App Already? - Hit & Run : Reason.com
punkman: "The legislature is telling state universities to more aggressively involve themselves in their students' sex lives."
punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt
bounce: "help them"? it'll claim the rights and fsck the students.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0007503 = 11.4046 BTC [-]
punkman: bounce, perfect
hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams.
asciilifeform: the 'sex contract' app may be lame - but there's an actual market for solving actual problem there.
asciilifeform: unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport.
asciilifeform: there's an interesting set of legal precedents in usa, invalidating any and all concept of sex contract (consent can be withdrawn, e.g., five minutes... 'in' - and thereby, retroactively, if you like, because 'i cancelled five minutes in, in my head, after that it was a rape') etc.
mats_cd03: not just usa. ask mr. assange
dignork: punkman: not sure about legality, but there is a cypherpunk solution: video recording crypted by 3 keys (Shamir's scheme), 2 keys needed to decode, 1 key at court, 2 other keys are of the involved parties
dignork: doesn't scale to group sex though
asciilifeform: 'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies.
hanbot: asciilifeform> unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport << which is why using app as palliative is particularly heinous (or particularly attractive depending on user sanity)
asciilifeform: hanbot: this is reminiscent of the debate regarding whether folks being burned at the stake should or should not get a little sack of gunpowder to wear around their neck
asciilifeform: hanbot: or whether folks sentenced to sit on a stake should get oiled or not oiled stake.
bounce: so, where do I pull me some new non-tainted passports out of the passport dispenser?
asciilifeform: bounce: 'if you gotta ask, answer is no' or something like that.
asciilifeform: (if i had answer, i'd be posting 'best of buenos aires restaurants' photos along with mircea_popescu)
hanbot: why not the debate regarding whether people drowning in puddles should be given a swat?
asciilifeform: basic mechanics of escape from a gravity well - and of escape from a country - are very similar, i dare say. you need sufficient energy (usually in the form of hard currency, but can be some unusual substitute like familial, mob, or military 'in
asciilifeform: ' connections)
asciilifeform: problem of escape is also usefully divisible into two distinct sub-problems - how to get out of X, and how to find Y such that you can eat there and avoid whatever it was that you weren't so fond of at X.
asciilifeform: -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here.
hanbot: never been stuck in a gravity well, but i find escape from most anything hinges on ability to recognize and part with things that aren't needed. escape based on what one'd rather keep/is fond of mostly consists of waiting afaik.
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.04, Best ask: 391.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.96000, Last trade: 391.0, 24 hour volume: 15803.69862757, 24 hour low: 366.0, 24 hour high: 393.8, 24 hour vwap: 378.10556746
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15775 @ 0.00075285 = 11.8762 BTC [+]
punkman: from over here, it looks to me like half of you wannabe escapees just love murica too much to leave
asciilifeform: folks who actually want to escape from -everything-... fellate their pistols. a more selective solution - takes finesse and resources.
asciilifeform: punkman: i personally don't know anyone in love with the geography. but people do get attached to food, shelter.
hanbot: <asciilifeform> -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people << always a bitch. the good kind, tho'.
asciilifeform: most people in usa understand that no one, across any ocean, is holding his breath waiting for them.
hanbot: food and shelter are a lot easier to acquire when you let go of stuff you don't need. that latter part tends to be harder.
asciilifeform: hanbot: if you've the time - elaborate. which things ought people let go of ?
asciilifeform: hanbot: if you meant luxuries - cars, houses, etc. - americans are having a fine time 'letting go' of these, with a little help from an imploding economy and hungry creditors...
hanbot: well naturally varies from one person to the next. if there were an omnipotent list it'd effectively remove the likely most widespread item: fear.
asciilifeform: hanbot: dare i ask, what did you personally let go of.
hanbot: in terms of physical stuff i left the us with a suitcase. more important imo was actually letting go of the place itself and one's place within it --possibly never to be reunited.
hanbot: kinda like getting served a bad meal at some restaurant and deciding you're not going there anymore, whether it's the only restaurant in town or not, whether that's where all your friends go, etc.
asciilifeform: hanbot: with the exception of hereditary peasants, bound to the soil, etc - can't picture who is attached to the 'place' per se
asciilifeform: hanbot: friends - sure. (though they are still your friends, presumably, over telegraph)
hanbot: eh, it's hard for people not to take it personally. i won't eat their sammiches, ergo i despise them!
hanbot: and it may not be the place per se, love for a certain avenue or whatnot, but fear of what's left when x certification or y language mastery doesn't matter so much anymore.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i suspect that it isn't leaving with suitcase that bothers people, but for the most part a rational calculation of whether leaving would in fact give them increased freedom - or not - to do the kind of things they actually want to do.
hanbot: hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box?
asciilifeform: hanbot: usually, by the time leaving seems like a good idea regardless, it is far too late.
asciilifeform: hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space.
asciilifeform: hanbot: so you stay in.
asciilifeform: hanbot: possibly try to construct a suit, sure. but not going into vacuum until suit is reasonably airtight.
punkman: so it's a rationalizing calculation :P
asciilifeform: punkman: rationalizing << let's have the harsh light of the cold truth, then..?
hanbot: well if you can and want to use assumptions about the space outside, that works. the problem is those assumptions may well be poor given data collection capabilities from inside the box, and for all you know you're being fed data to make you toil over impossible suits for the purpose of keeping you inside.
punkman: asciilifeform: what the hell do I know, I'm far away
asciilifeform: hanbot: i can only speak for myself, really, but i do have a fairly solid picture of what kind of life folks with profession similar to my own live, in various parts of the world, and how much sweat they must sweat, vs. i at my duties, and so forth.
asciilifeform: i should probably point out that unlike many people i know in usa, i'm generally more interested in aggregate free time than usual luxuries. this gives me a somewhat perverse incentive structure.
bounce: thou shalt consuuuuuuuuuume
asciilifeform: happy to consume: food, water, plenty of mains current, the occasional bit of scrap metal.
bounce: the state religion for domestic consumtion (the pun is mandatory, citizen). the one for export is called "democracy". and the motivation is "let's find us something to make war against"
bounce: apparently that's all they need to keep ticking.
asciilifeform: the picture of usa 'ticking' because of some abstract ideal like 'war' or 'consumption' is mistake. rather it's more like the tissues of a corpse that can ferment anaerobically, living on for days or even weeks past burial
hanbot: asciilifeform well that's cool, gotta work with what you've got and all. if what you've got is profession-dictated structure, then sure, i can see it. it's an uncomfortable thought but at some point it may become necessary to weigh the importance of that structure against the importance of freedom.
hanbot: which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mats_cd03 I'll prolly have a list soon
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: soft nose ---> sharp metal points repeatedly probably not in his manual
bounce: the state doesn't seem quite dead yet. crumbling, grasping, but not quite dead yet.
asciilifeform: hanbot: it isn't really a 'profession structure' in my case. yes, for some people, 'i'm a lawyer and without that i'm nothing, where's my pistol' etc. these folks dropped like flies in '90s russia, say. but i'm more of - 'if i can move across the sea, but have to work as shoemaker in a cellar for 12h day, instead of 'turning the right screw' here in usa, why do i need to buy plane ticket? i can do the shoemaker th
xanthyos: ;;later tell davidldubuc glad you dug your private key out of that train station dumpster.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: ah, so not an issue of "can't" then, but of not being worth it? well that's perfectly sound. most people i talk to about leaving the us are on the "can't" wagon.
asciilifeform: hanbot: technically, anyone who can scrape together the loose change for a plane ticket - and can physically get to airport - 'can.'
asciilifeform: hanbot: just like the fellow in space capsule, simply can open air lock and see the stars.
hanbot: yes, but in their own minds. they'll contract flesh-eating muggerbugs or w/e and not be able to find any toilet paper.
danielpbarron: xanthyos, lol did he really?
xanthyos: omg danielpbarron is speaking to me
xanthyos: no, it's a joke that he might
xanthyos: and only then be able to receive the msg
xanthyos: someone on tinychat tried to sell me btc, i set a price 5% under spot and was ready to buy, thesy stlled me out for hours, then said they changed their mind
danielpbarron: i don't think the price will go much lower than 380
xanthyos: i do, but i'm going long term
xanthyos: i can afford to go bust, i'm not going all in
danielpbarron: you should bet on this then http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/bitcoin-to-drop-under-350-before-november/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November :: 32.73 B (58%) on Yes, 23.94 B (42%) on No | closing in 1 week 3 days | weight: 24`802 (100`000 to 1)
xanthyos: haven't heard from stander since nitrogensports.eu opened and had a promised 5 btc freeroll on opening night, then was conveniently ddossed, and promises a 10 btc freeroll that has yet to be scheduled
danielpbarron: hah!
xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot
hanbot: asciilifeform incidentally this has left me wondering what free time is worth if you don't perceive that you're free. if you can still do all you want to do, though, great!
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: No data returned from X-BT.com
asciilifeform: hanbot: for me, it's the question of imprisoned now or later.
xanthyos: so now any future freeroll will be from the rake they've generated and they can promote it without risking any overhead btc
xanthyos: jsut a theory
danielpbarron: p.good theory
asciilifeform: hanbot: if i had to do a conventional 'job', with physical movement and shifts, the kind that actually leaves you tired at the end of a day - that'd be much like prison.
asciilifeform: hanbot: mircea_popescu was once puzzled why people will break their backs to make pennies 'while they sleep.' i always understood why.
danielpbarron: i like being tired at the end of the day; it's the all-year-long monotony of "conventional" jobs that I loath
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: tired is fine when you tired because you were acting on own volition.
danielpbarron nods
hanbot is attempting to sort out the transactional mess here
asciilifeform: hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time.
bounce was just reading a text about buddhism, from some tibetan guy went and lived in the yoosah. said it was all about freedom. and that it's all in your mind. that's right, freedom in your mind. -- maybe this'll go over better if actually imprisoned in the yoosah, maybe.
mod6: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 24h-Vol: 100k High: 198 Low: 180 VWAP: 192
asciilifeform: perhaps also worth noting is that, imho, 'free time' is not only a freedom to act, but having with what to act. hence there is a difference between the free time of prisoner and non-prisoner.
mats_cd03: so lets cut to the chase. do you have a number for your 'fuck you money'?
xanthyos: !up bagels7
hanbot: so if i'm condensing this correctly, you want time in which to not be told what to do (free time), for which you must pay with an overarching adherence to what you're told to do (living in us)?
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: depends on hypothetical destination. but, overall, just picture a figure large enough to 'become taleb' and live as 'gentleman scholar' in total disconnect from economic reality around you.
asciilifeform: hanbot: naturally, i, and everything alive, would rather have ininite pony and pay with - nothing. but thermodynamics disagrees.
xanthyos: http://gyazo.com/fa0f791df6b69f90519a710446b1a903 << neat software
thickasthieves: limits are liberating
thickasthieves: if you could do anything anytime, you might do nothing all the time
thickasthieves: context
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: arbeit macht frei ?
hanbot: asciilifeform: indeed. does thermodynamics preclude there being moar options besides submission to big bad or nothing, tho?
thickasthieves: i wouldnt put it that way ascii, but sure
asciilifeform: !s cheetah zoo
assbot: 3 results for 'cheetah zoo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cheetah+zoo
thickasthieves: the problem i have is that i think it's okay to be free enough to do nothing all the time
thickasthieves: so work specificlaly isnt exactly better, but it is liberating
asciilifeform: for some people, having a master feels liberating, sure. no disputing this.
thickasthieves: we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach
xanthyos: http://gyazo.com/1508630f72c79ffef7537fbe53afcb1f
hanbot: godspeed freedom cheetah
asciilifeform: cheetah needs to find hole. or invent bolt-cutters.
asciilifeform: notice that 'wait to be lifted' isn't on the list. no one steals a cheetah except to place in another zoo.
thickasthieves: some cheetahs are used for gene diversification
thickasthieves: notexactly a zoo, but similar in practice
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: that would fall under 'other zoo' scenario, no ?
thickasthieves: in the end yeah, many such conservations even have tours...
hanbot: did the ELF never steal a cheetah?
asciilifeform: steal and turn loose in africa, or on city streets ? makes a difference.
hanbot: eh i guess they didn't (searching turns up some delightful headlines however, incl. "Rx Generic Viagra - The Parrot Liberation Front"). anyway, i suppose he's free to die trying.
bounce: just dying isn't really allowed, no
asciilifeform: fortunately, dying trying doesn't cost anything.
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% << I've met 8 of these surnames
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 24h-Vol: 100k High: 198 Low: 180 VWAP: 192
mircea_popescu: holy shit logs.
mircea_popescu: well, brb, i need a drink
nubbins`: mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/031PbFll.jpg
nubbins`: a wild poster appeared ;0
RagnarDanneskjol: awesome... needs bigger
nubbins`: to be fair, that's an unusually large pole
nubbins`: this is a trial run, wanted to make sure the guy didn't suck before i get him to post larger ones
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2S5RMT3.txt )
thickasthieves: !b 3
nubbins`: hmmmm...
RagnarDanneskjol: ahahah
bounce: where is this? they have underground buses!
nubbins`: yeah, okay, +1
nubbins`: bounce lives in a city without tunnels 8)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` o.O
nubbins`: looks a bit lonely, hey
BingoBoingo: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102037055
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: "BREAKING NEWS: Ebola stocks surge"
BingoBoingo: Amazing Hemorage!!!
nubbins`: you should see the rest of the pictures the guy took. not sure if drunk or couldn't find flash button
nubbins`: C- would not pay again
mircea_popescu: nubbins` most ppl dunno how to use the soap bar.
nubbins`: fair enough
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/C1yubIf.png
mircea_popescu: punkman: "nine technical leaders" <<< ahahaha just this.
BingoBoingo: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 30d-Vol: 252k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 191
mircea_popescu: o look, nubbins`! faeries!
nubbins`: just think, all cohen wanted people to do was light a match
nubbins`: now you gotta have a cell phone contract if you wanna play!
mircea_popescu: don't be the person that you came with!
BingoBoingo: lol comments thx Microsoft >> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/the-next-version-of-windows-will-be-windows-10/?comments=1
assbot: The next version of Windows will be… Windows 10 | Ars Technica
mircea_popescu: hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising << duh. how do you think the pretense of "media" is preserved ? edvertising!
nubbins`: man i'm reading this article about cohen now and the asshole who wrote it seriously just referred to federico lorca as "gabriel garcia lorca"
mircea_popescu: punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's in a book.
nubbins`: too many words, it turns out
mircea_popescu: hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. << shit, didn't i come up with that idea like 5 years ago ?
mircea_popescu: free rent all glass front apts ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp. << Upgrade the dorms to... STUDIOS!
bounce: shoulda patented it
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> don't be the person that you came with! << !
mircea_popescu: bounce i patited it.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo so what's the actual version number? 6.3?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Prolly 6.4
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: not just usa. ask mr. assange <<< no, it;'s just the usa
mircea_popescu: !up test___
nubbins`: heaven forbid they commit one way or the other
mircea_popescu: that's why getting him there was so important for the swedish collaborationists.
test___: Hi. Just checking out this channel.
mircea_popescu: that's why their failure to do so collapsed the whole thing.
nubbins`: hi test___
mircea_popescu: test___ so who're you ?
test___: Me. ;)
mircea_popescu: "when one peers into the void, the void peers right back"
nubbins`: BingoBoingo one guy: "Windows X.11 for workgroups"
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: few jokes in there
bounce: not quite the void, but lots of peering
mircea_popescu: dignork: doesn't scale to group sex though <<< course it does.
nubbins`: everything scales to group sex
mircea_popescu: nubbins` doesn't nubbins sound like he just got some.
bounce: windows for groupsex? o_O?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm in my prime, i generally sound like that 8)
test___: *everything scales to group sex* Will keep an eye to this channel to confirm that!
BingoBoingo: test___: Generally that's the topic
nubbins`: wait, i get it. they skipped windows 9 because 7 8 9 :(
mircea_popescu: huh ?
nubbins`: funnier if you say it out loud
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Microsoft's next release is XWindows
mircea_popescu: awww no windex ?
BingoBoingo: No, Proctor and Gamble make Windex
BingoBoingo: In their artisan chemistry shop
nubbins`: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kr_MrsKj6nI/TsoreDJ9IyI/AAAAAAAAACQ/p1XBSIZAnQc/s1600/26686aa.png
dignork: mircea_popescu: with group sex, let's say you had 4-way, so you get 5 signatures with at least 4 to redeem, but only one claims rape against another one - you don't have enough keys
mircea_popescu: you suppose naming your kid gamble is likely to give him a head start in lif ?
nubbins`: better than proctor
BingoBoingo: I might name a kid gamble nao.
mircea_popescu: best scam ever would be for this priest in this small village to register births under arbitrary names
BingoBoingo: I just like how XWindows was annouced the day ebola was annouced in the US
mircea_popescu: then when the kids turn 14 or w/e...
bounce: why'd he bother? they're his anyhow.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> best scam ever would be for this priest in this small village to register births under arbitrary names << Isn't this why you commishun'd Deedsbot?
mircea_popescu: maybe he's impotent and jealous on all the other priests ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol right.
mircea_popescu: because people who have sigs really need names.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> because people who have sigs really need names << Not to register people's names, but subjects names
mircea_popescu: shit i put vinegar on my shirt ;/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies. << subtle difference between cccp and warsaw pact.
mircea_popescu: bout the same relationship between us and the swedish government say.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here. << very true, but wtf, why brooklyin ?!
BingoBoingo: Why not Brooklyn, Illinois?
mircea_popescu: hanbot: hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box? << ha! she got you there.
BingoBoingo: ;;google "Brooklyn, Illinois"
gribble: Brooklyn, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn,_Illinois>; Brooklyn, Illinois Archaeology Project: <http://www.histarch.illinois.edu/brooklyn/>; PTs Brooklyn - Brooklyn, IL | Yelp: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/pts-brooklyn-brooklyn>
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo never been to that one.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Pretty much nothing but strip clubs, fun town.
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago brooklyn still rocked. decay noticeable in the air, like dogs can smell snow. but it still rocked.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space. <<< dude get out, people live everywhere people live.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot << what a great way to start something
mircea_popescu: especially a gambling something.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time. <<< this is so funny.
mircea_popescu: i've never seen anyone with more free time than south americans.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach <<< yes. but devoid of the conveniently muscled uterus and its precise timers.
xanthyos: http://gyazo.com/33b38303136a45f3069e5f1b5138a077
mircea_popescu: google ads : Don’t Pay a Prostitute - Meet a Lonely Austrian Housewife Adwww.ashleymadison.com/
mircea_popescu: Austrian Affairs Made Easy!
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> i've never seen anyone with more free time than south americans. << lel
nubbins`: when i was in colombia, i had dinner with a german scuba instructor. he said "if you needed to study and pass a test to be a boat captain in Taganga, there would be no boat captains in Taganga"
mircea_popescu: kik
jurov: <hanbot> which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar? << actually, if rats are given transparent lid they go into full learned helplessness
jurov: in few days
jurov: and won't try to jump off even after lid is taken away
jurov: there was plenty of research
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00074865 = 7.3742 BTC [-]
jurov: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=249664017 hahah saffron
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. << shit, didn't i come up with that idea like 5 years ago ? << but you forgot to make intellectual property dorm :D (srsly tho, i'd forgotten meanwhile)
jurov: go to 0:20
hanbot: jurov will the rats starve in there? or given food & reasonable temps etc?
kakobrekla: i hope she is getting paid
mircea_popescu: hanbot likely story
mircea_popescu can't be bothered to video. what's in pornhub link ?
jurov: she's showing off trezor
kakobrekla: trezor, without quotes
mircea_popescu: hehe so what's the problem with that
mircea_popescu: ppl stealing my ideas is what open source is all about.
jurov: hanbot yes they were fed, researchers were mostly interested in resulting depression
hanbot: jurov and i thought cosmetics testing was sad
jurov: http://www.tse-systems.com/products/behavior/anxiety/learned-helplessness.htm omg they even sell premade cages for that
BingoBoingo: http://olive-drab.com/od_surplus_armsbazzar.php
assbot: U.S. News 12/2/96: Weapons Bazaar
jurov: A free-programming language is available for generating custom procedures.
BingoBoingo: jurov: All of those cages seem small for mice of interesting size...
jurov: i refuse to investigate further
mircea_popescu: jurov mice or rats, incidentally ?
cazalla: JuliaTourianski, gee you really upset reddit
mircea_popescu: lol what's she do ?
cazalla: criticise circle
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm guessing she returned here and continued conversation
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Linky?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re jurov's rats : i wonder what happens once "they" finally figure out a) how to induce headaches with RF economically and b) get the social media profiling fine enough. search for bad words on google ? headache, stfu.
kakobrekla: watch out for ddos police with liabilities
cazalla: BingoBoingo http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2hw9u2/dont_trust_circle_keep_your_own_private_keys/
assbot: "Don't trust circle. Keep your own private keys" : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw, im working on an article that'll put that entire thing into quite the lulzy monture.
kakobrekla: hehe
BingoBoingo: cazalla: BTW how's the news business
mircea_popescu: cazalla oh, so she upset the usg agitators ? aww.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, still trying to think of a name
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Weren't there like 50 yesterday? Make an executive decision.
cazalla: bing http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#850721 yes☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 03:05:00; thickasthieves: call it The Biz
cazalla: BingoBoingo even
cazalla: drop the the, just call it facebook
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You forget autocomplete, call it Qiz
mircea_popescu: facebutt
mircea_popescu: Facebutt : The Safe Place For Buttheads!
BingoBoingo: Oh, I thought you were going to do something annilingus related there
BingoBoingo: Facebutt is pretty much the recipe for tossed salad
mircea_popescu: hehe
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/09-2014/p05/p/09.jpg
ben_vulpes: <bounce> michele vs. hillary << kirchner's in the usa!
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: ms clinton's eligible for the presidency in another year
ben_vulpes: clinton (8) + obama (8) + clinton (8) = 24
ben_vulpes: 24 + 16
ben_vulpes: (melia's 16)
ben_vulpes: it's not implausible.
nubbins`: why are we adding these numbers?
ben_vulpes: hillary rules for eight, michelle for eight, chelsea for eight, melia is now eligible for presidency.
nubbins`: feet (2) + ballhair (800) + ...oh, i see.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You forget a third Bush... For the pretense of a second Party
ben_vulpes: ah shit i did indeed
ben_vulpes: a fine dynastic do-si-do
ben_vulpes: 'swing yer partner round and round...'
BingoBoingo: You know it has been a while since a Roosevelt, but maybe we finally call in a Rockefeller off of the bench