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asciilifeform: mod6: fwiw i have found no consistent diff, to the 6th ( beyond that, the timer is useless ) on opteron
asciilifeform: now the cost of filling 12 rack slots with as much cpu horse as they can hold, (using asciilifeform's method, rather than mircea_popescu's, if not clear from context) would be such : 32 cores of opteron @ 3GHz, 256GB ram, 1TB durable ssd, comes to 1600 per 1U machine; no more than 4 machines can travel in a cargo carried by a 1300 two-way ticket
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 <- my only slight dislike of the amd fx is precisely higher power consumption & warming up; while fx 8350s is indeed not that bad on this account, it still consumes more than opteron 6376 afaik☝︎
asciilifeform: i also have a price table of disks, and discussion of future availability of opteron
asciilifeform: (3) 1.9GHz x 24core (Opteron 6168) RAM Installed: 24G RAM Max: 256G
asciilifeform: (2) 2.3GHz x 32core (Opteron 6376) RAM Installed: 256G RAM Max: 256G
asciilifeform: (1) 2.3GHz x 32core (Opteron 6376) RAM Installed: 256G RAM Max: 256G
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: opteron in particular is 'nonrenewable resource' whose future price cannot be put in guaranteed bounds. but yes can sell.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:36 asciilifeform: for comparison, 24core opteron with 256G ram , with 4 ssd disks ( 1TB total , 750 after raid ) , and with the raid card, costs me still < 1700.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 18:40 asciilifeform: i have currently 3 boxen for pilot plant. all 3 contain 32cores of 'opteron 6376'. 2 of them contain 256M of ram; 1 currently has 24G ( can hold up to 256 ). each has 2 x G/sec nics, 2 x (reduntant) 700W ps .
BingoBoingo: And to see if they can get Opteron shit
asciilifeform: for comparison, 24core opteron with 256G ram , with 4 ssd disks ( 1TB total , 750 after raid ) , and with the raid card, costs me still < 1700.
asciilifeform: even dulap-III, heavy opteron box sitting on my desk and awaiting shipment to BingoBoingoistan, is a gentoo box.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> a circa 2008 box, for >8x what i paid for a dulap-class opteron cum ssd raid << Has two of last year's http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AMD-EPYC%207251.html and 128 GB of RAM, I am asking for a list but if you could forward some spec'd by alf suggestions it could be helpful.
asciilifeform: a circa 2008 box, for >8x what i paid for a dulap-class opteron cum ssd raid
BingoBoingo: Going to need to get a beefier box here, likely going to be a beefy opteron fueled supermicro box
asciilifeform: mats: not specifically. it's a standard opteron, with the exception of no vga. ( use serial console. )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is also in the process of standing up trb on dulap-III , an opteron monster not yet homed.
asciilifeform: ( dun think any of my opteron boxes know how to address >4MB of rom ~total~ , for instance. )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1743016 << ftr that's 13.2k usd at current exchange rate. for a box that 1) is about same as 1k usd opteron 2) other than cpu, is made of exactly same stuff☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 14:06 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740117 << you can't v-root an item containing binturds. and the only x86 bios without winturds, is for opteron or ancient (pre-2008) intels. with recent chips even binturd-containing coreboot dun work, and yer stuck with the heathen fw shipped in the box.
asciilifeform: i'd quite like to have some bigendian heavy iron for 'biodiversidad'/specificity-of-diddling reason, but afaik there is none to be had ( at least in the weight class of opteron, which can haz in 32cores easily enough )
asciilifeform: it had similar problems, iirc, to opteron -- ran hot
trinque: opteron's a safer bet
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740117 << you can't v-root an item containing binturds. and the only x86 bios without winturds, is for opteron or ancient (pre-2008) intels. with recent chips even binturd-containing coreboot dun work, and yer stuck with the heathen fw shipped in the box.☝︎
asciilifeform: this is indeed tru, not so long ago i recapped an... opteron
mircea_popescu: ang-st so what'd it cost me for you folks to host 1 sealed box, containing an opteron 6376 as above, cool it and feed it its required wattage and bw ?
asciilifeform: i have currently 3 boxen for pilot plant. all 3 contain 32cores of 'opteron 6376'. 2 of them contain 256M of ram; 1 currently has 24G ( can hold up to 256 ). each has 2 x G/sec nics, 2 x (reduntant) 700W ps .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant you. name one, what was it ? opteron what ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Cool. Mega opteron VPS box it is.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: it's <1s already on just about any comp the readers are likely to have. 2s on my 2009 opteron.
BingoBoingo: But yeah. Way to get monster Opteron 6128 boxes onto rack higher priority
BingoBoingo: In other research, the Opteron 6128 is looking like quite the beefcake
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well when making hardware shopping list gotta have idea what people want. Do people want beefy opteron things that'll have me on a 4th rack by Sunday or do they want PCengines boards by the dozen.
asciilifeform: lol it's a small opteron
BingoBoingo: Why not light heatsink to case? Not like it's a fucking opteron
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: opteron means 2x the usual wattage
asciilifeform: currently i'm aiming for <1sec (opteron 3GHz) 4096b modexp, with minimal new moving parts. after that -- releasing.
asciilifeform: just like your opteron is happy to add 1 + 1, even though 1 is a '1-bit' rather than 64-bit int
asciilifeform: this becomes 3 64-bit words on opteron; 6 32-bit words on pentium; 12 16-bit words on 8086; and 24 8-bit 'words' on 6502.
asciilifeform: just like ffa worx just fine on opteron today dialed down to 32
asciilifeform: ( 1.5s -- opteron 3Ghz )
asciilifeform: also if i had a working ivorytron 1st thing i'd do is put diamond paste & hs from opteron on it... so yea wtf
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:08 asciilifeform: 'AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2393 SE @ 3.1 GHz' : 298m6.240s
asciilifeform: 'AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2393 SE @ 3.1 GHz' : 298m6.240s
BingoBoingo: This is pointedly no opteron thread. 10,000 could likely be had by late September and $maxint certainly had by next August
asciilifeform: asciilifeform could tell you where to get a opteron, or a dozen. but not where to get 10,000 by august.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 23:46 asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, 'nqb' reads & parses a full 1MB block, with 2218 tx, and recreates it from fast-form, again to disk, in 0.123 sec. on a 3GHz opteron cum ssd.
ua: I have 20x Dell SC1435 available, these are 2x quad 2.2 Opteron 2374HE 16GB RAM 80GB HDD
Framedragger: olook the backdoor is an actual backdoor! good call on opteron asciilifeform :)
asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, 'nqb' reads & parses a full 1MB block, with 2218 tx, and recreates it from fast-form, again to disk, in 0.123 sec. on a 3GHz opteron cum ssd.
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 << Loper OS - Practical Lead to Gold Conversion; or an Intro to Opteron Resurrection.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was just the other day sweating, to source a multi-cpu+ecc opteron board with >1 16-lane pcie.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is interesting, at one point it was possible to source pre-2012 opteron mb quite cheaply, now they are ~gone
asciilifeform: incidentally this is a good small research project -- 'what was the last pre-fritzing opteron'
asciilifeform: more or less any pre-2011 opteron.
asciilifeform: otherwise -- opteron
asciilifeform: (must point out, though, opteron was not a cheap-side chip, and the mobo that ate it -- also was not, was top-of-the-line in amd world)
mircea_popescu: i guess if you bought it when it came out the opteron was like 1k or some shit.
asciilifeform: what it is, is the konsoomer version of the opteron i actually have in the box i am sitting on nao!
asciilifeform: welcome, ben_vulpes , to the dour world of amd opteron et al, where 'working box is moarprecious than gold, because gold is merely an element in mendeleev table and you can always get more, but there will only get fewer boxes, and quickly'
pete_dushenski: 'except opteron' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: failure to fabricate opteron in kitchen - also sloth ?
asciilifeform: (this is mainly academic exercise, 74xxx do not grow on trees any more than 'opteron' does.)
asciilifeform: it is quite the same with 10,000 opteron cpu.
asciilifeform: (see thread re 'opteron' etc)
asciilifeform: btw i found that old opteron is being sold surplus by the tonne
assbot: Dell Poweredge 6950 AMD Opteron Socket F CPU Heatsink Y9115 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1TQnaa8 )
kakobrekla: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-6950-AMD-Opteron-Socket-F-CPU-Heatsink-Y9115-/251322845713
asciilifeform: in not entirely unrelated news, old-stock opteron cpus are being sold in crates of 1,000+, for ~1-2 usd/ea. in qty.
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 07:22:28; mircea_popescu: computers should come on fucking fabric already, i go to the shop buy 8 meters of opteron.
BingoBoingo: Well more core makes sense on 1 level, places to put other shit. It's what buying opteron fabric by the yard would be based on
mircea_popescu: computers should come on fucking fabric already, i go to the shop buy 8 meters of opteron.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 05:13:11; BingoBoingo: Dual opteron, apparently only text mode works but who needs graphics when you have two opterons?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Dual opteron could be useful in workstation.
BingoBoingo: Dual opteron, apparently only text mode works but who needs graphics when you have two opterons?
BingoBoingo: Anyways provided Joe's people provided accurate accounting for the wares they are leasing processor in box is "Opteron 170" so not the newest bos in the world
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 04:05:49; punkman: but no opteron?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349091 << not only no opteron, but the benchmark itself is gimmicked - use of magical intel instructions☝︎
punkman: but no opteron?
asciilifeform: i have opteron boxes from dell. afaik even this is out of print.
gernika: ascii_field Thought it was real - 32 GB ecc ram, opteron 4226.
pete_dushenski: just checked local classifieds, whole box with 'opteron' can be had for as little as $150 still
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281036 << amd opteron is the single most precarious 'strategic good' in my particular household (can't speak for others)☝︎
ascii_field: find me a 2007 amd opteron socket-1207 cpu on ali.
trinque: mod6: I've got an opteron box, pogo, i7, obsd i386, off the top of my head
BingoBoingo: 24BG of RAM on an Opteron machine at that price, shit is better than Ebay
BingoBoingo: It really would. Or what was that thing which clustered a bunch of opteron slices.
asciilifeform: hell, the 8MB cache of my ancient 'opteron' is more than i had in my 486dx2
williamdunne: Their 24 core opteron things
nubbins`: ascii_field why opteron?
assbot: HP XW9400 Workstation 8 Cores AMD Opteron 2 5GHz 8GB RAM FX1800 768MB Computer | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJIlXA )
pete_dushenski: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-XW9400-Workstation-8-Cores-AMD-Opteron-2-5GHz-8GB-RAM-FX1800-768MB-Computer-/201226732787?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eda0c44f3 << maybe 20 pogos worth of opteron here
thestringpuller: ascii_field: I'm just jelly cause I was always too poor to own an opteron machine. I had to stick with the lesser Athlons
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: do you know of any information about AMD Opteron's k8 microcode or the chip in question? I found http://www.securiteam.com/securityreviews/5FP0M1PDFO.html but nothing else on the matter. Also, do you know of a better place to ask this question? I'm not a haxx0r.
BingoBoingo: So I'm pricing used workstations. All of the opteron based stuff in the past 6 years is pretty equivalent, yes?
mircea_popescu: "Of note is the 3.2GHz Pentium 4, coming in competitive with the G5, but significantly behind the Opteron and Athlon 64 systems."" << i wonder if these two share tech.
asciilifeform: e.g. an 'amd opteron' wouldn't cost any less than what we pay for it here, wherever else on the planet you might go
kakobrekla: so you saying dual opteron from 2010? betas today top dog single core ?
Diablo-D3: opteron memory controllers talk to each other to synchronize various things