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mircea_popescu: sooo, my amd socket 3 mobo that was powering the chatstation crapped out. just like that, turned off for the last time, wouldn't come back. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: obviously i did what any respectable lord would do : reach for the spare. which, once installed, wouldn't post either, just spun the cpu fan at max rotation and that's that.
mircea_popescu: and, of course, NO SHOP IN THIS COUNTRY (literally, tried all shops) even has socket 3 amd mobo.
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, they're 20 years old by now. but give me a break, i can find chicks that were spawned 20 years ago just fine, for one thing. and for the other, what the fuck, 2001 era amd cpus STILL to this day the state of the art, they've not yet made better. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TaPSh/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-22#1903996 << evidently alf finally found language fit for self! (and anyone who frequented same kindergarten). ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-22 16:56 asciilifeform: !A .6$x.3$y:y.2+$yxyG.1={xy*{_.0}{$x.1}_}{.1}_,x#QY
mircea_popescu: but yes, 024776FFD3CBD21C872ECCD26AD078C5BA0586E2E57CF68515E3C4828A673A6E goes into trilema bylines.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-22#1904018 << totally not requiring nato intervention / replacement of dictator with herpyderp kid, france not venezuela ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-22 19:37 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/macron-order-french-soldiers-to-join-police-for-19th-week-of-yellow-jacket-protests-with-authorization-to-open-fire/ << Qntra -- Macron Order French Soldiers To Join Police For 19th Week Of Yellow Jacket Protests With Authorization To Open Fire
mircea_popescu: (not even kidding, venezuela has oil, france has nothing. buncha cuntshat worms are a liability, not a resource, femstate propaganda notwithstanding.)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, btw could delete item http://qntra.net/2019/03/uranium-convoy-fired-on-in-brazil/#comment-126190 ? was just a test of the comment filteruing issue not understood at the time, has nothing to do with qntra per se.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/08a-feedbot-i.html << The Tar Pit -- Feedbot [i]: the feed db; its manipulation; and the feed checker
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-23#1904022 << sounds like dead cap ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-23 10:33 mircea_popescu: sooo, my amd socket 3 mobo that was powering the chatstation crapped out. just like that, turned off for the last time, wouldn't come back.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-23#1904025 << is how asciilifeform ended up with http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-23 10:36 mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, they're 20 years old by now. but give me a break, i can find chicks that were spawned 20 years ago just fine, for one thing. and for the other, what the fuck, 2001 era amd cpus STILL to this day the state of the art, they've not yet made better.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-23#1904027 << the example looks gnarly but is actually simple. in pseudocode :x:=6; y:=3; do{y:=y+2; if gcd(x,y)==1 then x:=x*y;}until (x*y is wider than width); return x ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-23 11:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-22#1903996 << evidently alf finally found language fit for self! (and anyone who frequented same kindergarten).
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: surely you meant 'socket am3' ? 'socket 3' was iirc their 486-compat ! ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and if so, mircea_popescu's box is actually younger than mine... )
asciilifeform: *until width exceeded (the mul has nonzero upper half) to be pedantic.
asciilifeform: i'ma take a bit of log space to expand, cuz thing is a kind of 'pons asinorum'.
asciilifeform: .6$x assigns 0x6 to reg 'x'. .3$y assigns 0x3 to reg 'y'. : starts loop (by pushing its pos to controlstack.)
asciilifeform: y.2+$y increments reg 'y' by 2 ( y pushes current reg 'y' to stack; .2 pushes 0x2 ; + adds the top 2 items on stack. $y assigns result to reg 'y' ).
asciilifeform: xyG pushes to stack reg 'x', then reg 'y', and computes gcd, which then is sole item on stack.
asciilifeform: .1= computes whether this is equal to 1, leaving 1 on stack if it were, and 0 if were not.
asciilifeform: after this, { ..... }{.1}_, and so if it were not, the loop simply cycles again;
asciilifeform: in the 'gcd == 1' left clause, we have xy*{_.0}{$x.1}_
asciilifeform: xy*{_.0}{$x.1}_ pushes to stack and multiplies regs 'x' and 'y' ; after this, the stack contains two numbers, the upper half of the mul result followed by the lower;
asciilifeform: {_.0} happens if the upper half is not zero, i.e. overflow (really can be replaced by {}, i wrote it hastily) , it puts down a 0 so the loop will halt ; the 'else' clause is {$x.1} , where we did not overflow, so we put the xy* lower half into reg 'x' and leave a 1 on stack so the loop continues.
asciilifeform: finally _ discards the 0 put down by the final clause of the conditional when 'not taken'. , (ch17) is the loop terminator, it pops from stack and if sees nonzero, then cycles back to the : , otherwise moves forward. in the end, x puts reg 'x' on stack, $ prints, QY returns 'yes' verdict.
asciilifeform: fin.
asciilifeform: for untrained eye, these are prolly indistinguishable from 'brainfuck' and other kunstkammerisms. but for trained eye, oughta be quite unambiguous imho . ☟︎
asciilifeform: the forth-like notation admittedly requires some practice, for the unprepared ; but the win from it is a fits-in-head interpreter ( ch.17 -- 1024 ln; ch.18 , with subroutines , currently writing the docs -- 1516 , and not expected to ever grow much )
asciilifeform: a large % of the delta , by mass, is eggog detection + helpful message prints for same
asciilifeform: * $ prints, QY returns 'yes' verdict. >> grr, # prints
asciilifeform: typo.
asciilifeform: otherwise correct expansion.
asciilifeform: i'dve posted the commented orig version, but naturally dun fit in log line.
asciilifeform: the reg-less version, i will leave as exercise for readers.
asciilifeform still waking up, may have made other mistake in above, will leave this q also as exercise !
asciilifeform: the underlying algo, tho, oughta be obv -- if you have a primorial up to X, you dun need to do anything fancy (e.g. m-r) to get the next prime you want to multiply into it , all you need is to gcd and see if the next number is relatively prime to it, if it is -- then it is prime, and can go 'in'. ☟︎
asciilifeform: so we begin with the accumulator having 2*3 = 6 , and roll from there ( the first number tested is 5, then after that 7, then gets to 9 and that's the first rejected one that doesn't get multiplied in, then 11 does, then .... and so forth until the termination condition )
asciilifeform: the 'limiting reactant' speedwise is gcd ( o(n^2), see ch. 15. ) .
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo, btw could delete item http://qntra.net/2019/03/uranium-convoy-fired-on-in-brazil/#comment-126190 ? was just a test of the comment filteruing issue not understood at the time, has nothing to do with qntra per se. << done
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, very likely, though cursory examination did not reveal it ; and im not momentarily equipped to solder on mobos.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-23#1904041 << yeah. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-23 14:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: surely you meant 'socket am3' ? 'socket 3' was iirc their 486-compat !
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-23#1904055 << that's the primo quality of a good brainfuck. just ask the sluts. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-23 14:40 asciilifeform: for untrained eye, these are prolly indistinguishable from 'brainfuck' and other kunstkammerisms. but for trained eye, oughta be quite unambiguous imho .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-23#1904064 << yes, basically diana_coman 's by-6 used as a bootstrapper and a two pouch mutualizer to expand it to size ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-23 14:55 asciilifeform: the underlying algo, tho, oughta be obv -- if you have a primorial up to X, you dun need to do anything fancy (e.g. m-r) to get the next prime you want to multiply into it , all you need is to gcd and see if the next number is relatively prime to it, if it is -- then it is prime, and can go 'in'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: exactly like that one
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you still haven't thrown that mobo and wanna put it back in service, feel free to gpgram which caps you need, and where to poste'em, i'ma send you some from own crate, then possibly you can get the bmw fixer d00d to solder it for a bottle o'rum or etc
asciilifeform: i fix mine not cuz like the smell but cuz they're rare enuff , aint nobody making moar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, unfortunately i uprooted my electronics lab already. it's ok though, i have a crate of replacements on its way.
asciilifeform: aite
mircea_popescu: took some doing, like everything worth doing fucking does these days.
asciilifeform: btw pre-07 (or so) mobos solder easily, they still have pb
asciilifeform: it's the 'rohs' europitarded newer ones that dunwant
mircea_popescu: these are rohs.
asciilifeform: ( classic pb -- ~183 C ; rohs -- ~217 )
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: then you'd have to do what i did aha
asciilifeform: ( since that article, asciilifeform did get a hotter iron, but reworking rohsisms is still a bitch, the high temp tends to lift the tracks )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's pretty odd that yer spare was dead tho. caps shelf-age but not ~that~ quickly
mircea_popescu: nor does it look like a cap death.
mircea_popescu: i suspect somehow the actual controller died somehow. nfi how as of yet.
asciilifeform: mine wasn't an obvious (sans mag glass) capdeath either iirc
mircea_popescu: once the electronix ppl land i might have a better something.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mobo/sad_cap_2.jpg << for ref, 'non-obv. cap death'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you end up throwing it, feel free to send for xray ( if thing is >35cm on the long edge, may have to saw it ) , then can say 'solder ball this-here unballed' etc. valuable old irons aging data point, potentially.
asciilifeform: ~nobody seems to actually study this q.
asciilifeform: even the satellite people only seem to give a shit up to 7 yrs or so, re iron life
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean... seriously ? ten thousand man-hours of work for a peanut ?
asciilifeform: xray takes 1min or so; looking at the balls, maybe hr, i'ma pro bono. beyond that prolly not worth.
asciilifeform: ftr recapping my 'tyan' took maybe half hr, counting the photographies.
asciilifeform: ( and i was grrr cuz expected '5 minutes', but see rohs )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will add that 'peanut' can grow to 'pea-elephant' if -- and this time verily cometh -- there is not a replacement on hand.
asciilifeform: sorta why submarine has lathe etc. on board.
mircea_popescu: i honestly don't expect we'll ever be recreating these gnarly insanities. x86 mobos nothing to worship, even leaving aside the
asciilifeform: lol ffs why wouldja re-create the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: hey, where's that logline where i say it's not yet clar to me symboix ever amounted to anyting worthwhile ?
asciilifeform: lol all the bolx thrds ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was hardline skeptic of subj from start iirc
mircea_popescu: but i mean, by the time we
mircea_popescu: re out there doing systematic by-hand mobo-ing because "valuable resource ran extinct", might as well have baked... i dunno, a half-sane southbridge ?
mircea_popescu: make the whole damn thing the civilised way rather than sinking "half hours" into by-hand bs.
asciilifeform: tho since we're on subj, i'ma add that the bolix, for what its faults, was entirely repairable, the only 'magic' part that aint off-shelf is the cpu
asciilifeform: ( errything else is either standard catalogue '80s piece, or PAL )
mircea_popescu: you'll be surprised how inaccessible "standard catalogue pieces" are becoming.
asciilifeform: entirely inaccessible if you dun know where. if you know where, coupla bux ea.
mircea_popescu: by which i don't mean "can't be got", especially "at my so and so magic provider who's essentially this 60yo who will soon die".
asciilifeform: exactly like yer bmw
asciilifeform: the genuine 'can't gets' , i stocked up on
mircea_popescu: i mean, used to be every town of 100k or more white people had a store with some of ALL of those in stock
mircea_popescu: but not anymore.
asciilifeform: ( dks dug up a crate of cpu, i bought a coupla )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i expect ~99.99... of ye olde golden age opterons have been melted down by nao, just like bolix etc
mircea_popescu: "but mp, it's all for the better, think of all the space and inventory capial saved by the better jit methods of commercial distribution"
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, even repairable-period crapple parts go for hefty $ nao
mircea_popescu: right ? and WHAT THE FUCK do they put IN THE PLACE, physical as well as financial, thus saved ? same thing women put in the place where "floor washing on hands and knees" and "bake cake" used to go, ie subhuman africanisms ? oh, but tyvm, this progress is so very fecal./
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know full well what 'they put in place'. single-chip disposable rubbishes that konsoomer is expected to buy and shuddup etc
mircea_popescu: n-th restatement of "not beating wives and children has created irrespirable world, a fie on you" etc thread, we'll skip.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i mean, used to be every town of 100k or more white people had a store with some of ALL of those in stock << And then Retards killed radioshack
asciilifeform: '90s irons were solid, in comparison even with that opteron. e.g. i still have a 486 that worx like the day it was new, not even recapped ever
asciilifeform: for that matter, that same bolix, and the 1989 crapple it rides on, 100% orig parts ( save for http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943 which i stuffed in preemptively )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, radioshack was already symptom of death, federalized to "survive". in the sane world of the 90s these were so many independent shops, ran by period roger vers, tryna do radio advertisements and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: a much saner milieu than "here's our corporate brochure"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ratshack afaik 100% dead in north amer
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> right ? and WHAT THE FUCK do they put IN THE PLACE, physical as well as financial, thus saved ? same thing women put in the place where "floor washing on hands and knees" and "bake cake" used to go, ie subhuman africanisms ? oh, but tyvm, this progress is so very fecal./ << What they put in the place are a bunch of storefront kiosks each selling a particular wireless carrier's products.
asciilifeform: ( iirc mircea_popescu found 1 down south at some pt, but there is no resupply for'em, the co long ago folded , asciilifeform went and bought ~entire contents of 1 for a hundy or so )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but even it was BORN -- it was born because the local tards did not have the intellectual capacity to support actual infrastructure, nevertheless wanted to pretend to participate in human world.
mircea_popescu: so they did what they do, "band together and preternd on a 1. 1 >0 even if 1 != the infinity it should be"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, where I grew up local radioshack was a franchise op. Part Radioshack, part crafts stuff franchisee sold in his other store the next county over.
BingoBoingo: The craft store still survives next county over as of December 2017
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, aha, the beginning.
asciilifeform: iirc ratshack already was a zombie in 1990 or so. the wonder is how long the zombie walked, not that it finally crumbled
mircea_popescu: except some dood selling bracelet stamped parts from china, "crafts" for the esty moron femcrowd ain't the same as the hamradio4lyf dood.
BingoBoingo: Well, the other sort of crafts. Model rockets, and model trains.
mircea_popescu: ah ah
asciilifeform: the ham4lyf d00dz even in '90 already considered ratshack a ripoff, and went to buy/sell the junkyard-scavenged parts 100% from ea. other
mircea_popescu: cuz it was.
mircea_popescu: which is my point.
asciilifeform: ikr? 3bux for resistor, etc
BingoBoingo: Still, the place survived through 2005 or so in town of white folks under 10k heads
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if it was anyffin like the ones here : survived by selling overpriced tv
asciilifeform: and pnojes etc
asciilifeform: with coupla drawers of parts, under 10cm of dust, in the back
mircea_popescu: the ppls don't see how electronics relates to them!
asciilifeform: in the very last yrs, ratshack tried to live by offering ipnoje glass replacement. problem is , chinese d00dz in open air market do it 2x cheaper.
asciilifeform: btw i find it interesting, you go on a train ride in washingtonistan and count the ipnojes, 6 outta 7 have smashed glass. apparently even the 50bux or so that it costs if yer hands grow from arse and cant do it yerself, is toomuch for the typical ipnojist..
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Displayed those yes, but the town has a Walmart. Survived on being the shop with the things it had in the place it was. Death of the parent killed it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma guess it folded the day lolmart realized it , too, could stock a chinese soldering iron
BingoBoingo: Could have been
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, empire degraded significantly, past 20 or so years.
mircea_popescu: literallty can not afford. in the early 2000s, it was azn chicks commuting to "pink" in shanghai treasuring an antique, smashed iphone, white chicks commuting to "professional" in washington pristine last generation TWO (cuz gifts from each boyfriend, had spare)
mircea_popescu: nowadays... azn chicks more last cry than knows what to do with, white chicks suckling the cock for free.
asciilifeform: ipnoje per se is a '06+ item
asciilifeform: but can picture.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the ppls don't see how electronics relates to them! << The rule the Peruana has to follow is the less important something seems, the more important it actually is.
mircea_popescu: this is always the punishment, for failure to fem properly, too. and it's so fucking amusing to expose "womens lib" tard to this sort of "oh but look, the women in THAT group do so much better at all the tings [you falsely claim not to be important though its all that really interests you]".
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 'tailhook' people, pre-clintonization, had a proverb, where iirc 'what you dun know, will not only happily kill you , but eat you for lunch and spit out the bones'
mircea_popescu: possibly the one most mentally disruptive piece of converesation for the http://trilema.com/2016/stfu-attention-whore-culture/ crowd
mircea_popescu: (kinda why the "this is everything" pretense is even there ; otherwise if Mrs. Betjeman gets to thinking of what them girls do in paris.... "all is lost!!!"
mircea_popescu notices he didn't write up the ballad of buster scriggs, proceeds to fix
asciilifeform found substantial similification for ch18 mechanism, goes to put it in
asciilifeform: *simplification
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/gary-clark-jr/ << Bimbo.Club -- Gary Clark Jr.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs/ << Trilema -- The Ballad of Buster Scruggs
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in top keks from the mid 1800s, "Mr. Seward is exerting himself to provoke a quarrel with all Europe, in that spirit of senseless egotism which induces the Americans, with their dwarf fleet and shapeless mass of incoherent squads which they call an army, to fancy themselves the equal of France by land and Great Britain by sea."
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/turmoil-continues-at-slpc-hate-organization-as-departures-continue/ << Qntra -- Turmoil Continues At SLPC Hate Organization As Departures Continue
mircea_popescu: keks.
mircea_popescu: wut, femstate can only make dresses and cake decorations, nothing substantial ever ? SHOCKER!!!
BingoBoingo: Nah, the gave away the dressmaking tradition to Asia. All they got is the decorations for their boxmixed cakes
mircea_popescu: in other news, ima close http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892053 early feb project in failure, given that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-20#1903539 seems a dead end and i got pressing matters to apply her to.. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:20 mircea_popescu: hanbot pick a laptop, bake the man's cuntoo. (principal issue, that gentoo->cuntoo "bridge", see if his sig matches).
a111: Logged on 2019-03-20 01:38 hanbot: btw trinque anything grab you re the patchlessness/lack of portage dir in http://thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iv/ ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, feel free to repo the machine involved.
BingoBoingo: Aite
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in top keks : http://www.coenbrothers.net/ (transparent "blog network" for https://top10cryptorobots.com/ which exactly as you imagine...)
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/reviewing-reviews/ << Bimbo.Club -- Reviewing reviews
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901346 << I can also confirm: I made this change, mounted my cuntoo usb to the build directory and reran ./scripts/make_portage_tree.sh. Sig verified on the resulting genesis ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 23:28 trinque: bvt: diana_coman: I wager that if you change line 14 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh to the following, my sig will verify on the resulting genesis.vpatch : dest=$pdir/profiles/${src#$bdir/usr/portage/profiles/}