mp_en_viaje: well, we can talk about nsa later this week, ima have to write report anyways. one thing at a time neh ?
mp_en_viaje: piling everything together, "my car got a flat tire, and come to think of it my wife is annoying also" is a great way to find suicide appealing and naught much else. not exactly rational review.
mp_en_viaje: things should be reviewed on merits, and periodically, but on merits and periodically, not whenever got a paper cut.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, from experience, all possibly imploding salt mines are in fact imploding. Mocky_ 's experience is iirc in the logs as current-most-recent.
mp_en_viaje: white sheets are always good to have in any case.
mp_en_viaje: well, actually, your logger is widely distributed and you have it, except for not atm on a box.
lobbes: logger vpatch still exists because asciilifeform tho
lobbes: mp-wp bot couldn't be a thing without it, for example
mp_en_viaje: i daresay most of the benefit of pizarro was in training you inept tards to some (probably minuscule) degree.
mp_en_viaje: "not talking to many people you don't know ~= suicide" might've been more productive a lesson.
mp_en_viaje: but ultimately, the reason experience's so painfully expensive, is that nobody takes so much from it ever.
mp_en_viaje: pizarro had a decent run in spite of management ; that it came to an end... it ran for 20+ months neh. plenty of time.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:11:07 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, from experience, all possibly imploding salt mines are in fact imploding. Mocky_ 's experience is iirc in the logs as current-most-recent.
mp_en_viaje: in my case it's more a case of "oh, remember when the old shcmucks srsly thought they stand a chance ?"
mp_en_viaje: but anyways, having now read this 771 line / 19k words log twice, ima to bed.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
lobbes: seems like folks are aiming towards diana_coman's contact huh
lobbes: willing to gpg and accept btc too, it seems
lobbes: I may look into getting another box from them myself; gonna need another home for blog / auctionbot and would rather not hang everything on my usg hoster
lobbes: that was why I went with orc scrip with my current hoster. I also have small pile
lobbes: even worse, I dun even have a working trb node
lobbes: same, I'm glad I bought little bits when it was alive at least. I'll miss those auctions
lobbes: I bought my first coin for ~$20 back in 2013 or abouts, then hung onto it for dear life. Almost lost it in a tardstalk scam, but luckily read hanbot's ancient writings; found this place in time
lobbes: ah okay, so you arbitraged a shitcoin in a sense
lobbes: asciilifeform: ack re: sigs. I'll let you know once I have new blog home. Going to order a leased stock box from that moldavian hoster nao methinks
lobbes: and neato re: patch. I still need to apply the detect_disconnect patch as well. Will do that tonight before bed
lobbes: asciilifeform: this is a point re: parking in same cage. Perhaps couldn't hurt to do some more charting.
BingoBoingo back at terminal. Shared machine user data backed up along with databases. asciilifeform Dulap powered down, drives removed
a111: Logged on 2019-10-07 23:05 asciilifeform: BB will correct me if i'm wrong on this pt.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: apologies. Got a tab open for each logger atm.
BingoBoingo: mod6: To take any backups of your machine, I will need some sort of credentials to log in.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:15:20 mp_en_viaje: "not talking to many people you don't know ~= suicide" might've been more productive a lesson.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: fwiw, I think you did better at this venture than I imagine I ever would have. It took balls to take that initial leap over the wire and bootstrap the thing.
lobbes: tmsr is all about embracing one's failure and learning from it, if I've learned anything from being here
lobbes: it is easy to look at, say MP, and go "well I'll never even be close to doing the things he does", but to me BingoBoingo's story is uniquely inspirational in that folx like myself can go "well, he made the jump into uncharted waters. He built *something* even if the resistance of the medium won in the end. Why couldn't I also build something?"
lobbes: Not sure what I'm trying to say exactly, other than perhaps "there's many ways to make a mark in history". Idk, I'ma shut up as my inspirational speeches seem to have a history of turning people off rather than inspiring
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Leaping over the wire was the easy part. Letting ritual complexity explode early by not objecting to the GPG note passing thing was a failure. The big failure was marketing, not having a private message churner or selling anyone on the idea of getting one together for Pizarro and fast. The thing about failures is that over time their consequences accrete. Over time these accretions build up and generate inertia. It is like a
lobbes: this is true about the accretions of failure. A lesson for all of us, I reckon. Makes me take a hard look at my own failures I may be missing
lobbes: on the bright side, tho, now you have real world experience for someone else that starts an endeavor of the sort. It is expensive to get that experience, and you own it in a way no one else does
BingoBoingo: To put together a Qntra I might read five to ten takes from raw sources before I can collapse the story into condensed, journalistic text.
BingoBoingo: To put together another Pizarro from nothing, Even with the past two years there are other hard edges I have not mastered that I know would be necessary, and the tissue paper pipe problem can happen again.
BingoBoingo: I don't in this moment feel as portable as I did in 2017 because now there's the Peruana. I'm rather fond of her, but she loves me.
BingoBoingo: She's been working on getting some English language, but ripping her out of the Spanish language space and bringing her to eastern Europe and Slavic languages to get colocated with me near another datacenter... When the necessity of spreading seems to have been one of the lessons... It seems a bit much.
lobbes: well, as diana_coman once told me *sustainable* growth is the key. From my chair at least, it doesn't seem like taking time to regroup is a necessarily a bad thing
lobbes: but I'm no growth expert!
BingoBoingo: I am inclined to make somewhere in Latin America, even if not Uruguay work. Bingoboingo the journalist loves this country. Bingoboingo the retarded datacenter tech/mongoloid startup manager hates this country.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not looking to evacuate immediately.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you do make it back to the Oriental Republic, however... I am willing to drop everything to make a potroast.
lobbes: interesting. I would entertain the idea of buying the rk I am renting (depending on cost of course)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you want to do a slow growth thing and try to recoup some Bitcoin, I don't see what is keeping you from finishing your second RK plant and finding it a lower cost basis/better value pipe eurocolo.
BingoBoingo: Back when england was a thing they tried to keep those from accumulating.
BingoBoingo: Of the the places in Uruguay that could draw urban campers... Churchfronts tend not to.
BingoBoingo: Here they have Catholic, Anglican, Several different kinds of jew, Mormon, the "Christ Scientists" have a giant one...
BingoBoingo: Have yet to encounter a distinctly orthodox presenting church in the city.
lobbes is currently in own state of 'regroup', but does have eye on escape eventually
lobbes: bot going down for a few seconds to apply latest two patchen... stand by
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At least you don't have the children burden that seems to have claimed so many.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 20:24:24 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, come to think about it, see if guy is avail for a conf tomorrow morning say 10 to 11 osterreich time ?
diana_coman: email sent, will continue reading the logs
deedbot: maxim_mivo voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: maxim_mivo: you can !!up with deedbot yourself and then it's permanent rather than in 30min slots
diana_coman: maxim_mivo: do you offer colo in Chisinau only or in Romania too or where?
maxim_mivo: diana_coman: we offer colocation in Chisinau only.
maxim_mivo: Except colocation, all our services are available in Romania, Iasi.
diana_coman: mivocloud.com seems to say moscow & oregon too - is that outdated ?
maxim_mivo: We provide virtual servers also in USA (Oregon, Missouri) and Moscow
diana_coman: maxim_mivo: but do you have infrastructure there ?
diana_coman: ok; so you have the infrastructure in Chisinau only; correct?
maxim_mivo: We have our infrastructure in Chisinau and Iasi
diana_coman: maxim_mivo: do they have any separate net pipes? or is it basically the same if I get a server in Iasi or in Chisinau?
mp_en_viaje: so do you have any idea what ~any of this is or notrly ?
maxim_mivo: FIY: i speak romanian, but if other people read this, it's ok to continue in english.
mp_en_viaje: yes, lots of people read it. and good for you, i also speak romanian. and spanish. and well.. a few langs. testament of an active intelligence.
maxim_mivo: mp_en_viaje: so do you have any idea what ~any of this is or notrly ? What do you mean ?
diana_coman would really rather not talk data centre stuff in Latin
mp_en_viaje: maxim_mivo, i mean, you're here. where is "here" ? you're talking to some people. who are they ? that sort of thing.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, apparently my questions get ever better in terms of wtf factor as time goes by huh.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: kind of how it goes, ~always; there's more actual history accumulated, after all.
mp_en_viaje: maxim_mivo, you're not required to ad-hoc research lol, if you say "no" i'll just give you a summary you can fill out later if/when
maxim_mivo: I don't any searches. Just waiting for questions.
maxim_mivo: I have 20 more minutes to stay with you here guys.
mp_en_viaje: the top node is the most serene republic, which is a sovereign. like say the country of romania.
mp_en_viaje: this is its forum, the people-who-matter meet here to discuss things-that-matter. like say the parliament of romania.
mp_en_viaje: as it happens the republic ran an isp out of a datacenter in uruguay, which recently imploded. this means we have a bunch of boxes that need a new home, and some people who possibly need a new job.
mp_en_viaje: so the questions to you will come on three lines. 1 as to colocation and related ; 2 as to human resources and related, and 3 as to interoperation with republican systems and practices.
mp_en_viaje: so let's get to them in order : we have specific boxes configurations, including custom-made hardware such as the fg. i understand you can actually colocate these ?
mp_en_viaje: it's a hardware rng. i'd link you the specsheet / pics etc but atm its site is down
mp_en_viaje: nsa, short for No Such lAbs, is the republic's electronic mfg.
mp_en_viaje: maxim_mivo, all sorta thing, there's a mmorpg game server, there's a bunch of complciated math machines (ever heard of phuctor ?), there's blogs, irc loggers,
mp_en_viaje: all sorta shit people do / need / built over time.
diana_coman: maxim_mivo: the fg is a hardware rng and it can be connected to any USB port but for colocated machines it will most likely be inside already ie not an external thing
mp_en_viaje: now, for the sake of saving time, let's dump questions :
mp_en_viaje: 1. boxes take ~250W peak iirc, and are 1U form. there's prolly gonna be 3-4 to start with. can you host these, how do you need to receive them (fedex to whom/where specifically ?), what sorta pipe can you plug into them and for what costs.
mp_en_viaje: 2. do you want another employee ? he's hardworking and learns fast if not particularly well versed right now ; some kind of apprenticeship is probably on the table.
mp_en_viaje: 3. will you be able to invoice me via deedbot's sytem ? do you understand what the wot is and how it works etc ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, will you want the boxes shipped over to you first to inspect seals and so on ?
maxim_mivo: 1. We can host them. You'll have to send them to our business address (i'll provide it), declare the customs price and pay the taxes for our customs. The colo price includes 100mbps internet with unlimited bandwidth.
maxim_mivo: 2. We don't hire remote workers. Plus every our employee must speak english, russian and romanian. Basicaly every IT man here in Moldova speaks that languages. I assume your doesn't.
mp_en_viaje: maxim_mivo, wouldn't be remote, he'd move there. speaks english an' spanish.
maxim_mivo: Sorry, russian, english and romanian are a must.
mp_en_viaje: never thought i'd live to see the day speaking romanian's a bar to anything o.O
maxim_mivo: Our romanian and moldovan customers don't speak in english with us.
mp_en_viaje: well yes, but conceivably being an internet business you might benefit from wider language cover.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, your castle, run it as you please.
diana_coman: maxim_mivo: deedbot does more than just voice in chan; specifically here, it provides a wallet service for people in the wot; ie you can deposit/withdraw bitcoin from/to any address you want + you can invoice & pay invoices between wallets directly for any amount.
diana_coman: ofc the help page is on trinque.org that seems also down, ugh.
maxim_mivo: Sorry, guys. I don't have time to read all your WoT things (no offense).
maxim_mivo: Does your wallet support to transfer funds to a BTC address ? (i saw on the link you provided it transfers to nicknames).
diana_coman: maxim_mivo: yes, it does; you can withdraw the funds to any btc address; ie you receive it in your own deedbot wallet and then you can !!withdraw to anywhere
maxim_mivo: When paying the invoice, you'll see a BTC address where you have to transfer the payment.
mp_en_viaje: it also has built-in accounting (!!ledger) etc. it's quite useful, and in any case better than some website whatever.
mp_en_viaje: maxim_mivo, specifically what i'm asking is if you'll do it here rather than have me load some website.
maxim_mivo: Is there anything more i can help you with ?
maxim_mivo: OK, it was a pleasure to talk to you. Have a nice day.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:25:55 asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik the only promising parking atm.
diana_coman: quite possibly because of uninterrupted bad-experience with anything else previously really
mp_en_viaje: or if not, because internet age has dawned this solispsistc, single-player-WoWoW thing, "we shall make some statements and proclaiments and expect THE WHOLE WORLD to submit".
diana_coman: what boggles the mind though is that he'd go to the trouble of coming here for 1 hour or even more if asked; but he would turn down several colo boxes rather than set a guy to do !!withdraw
mp_en_viaje: you see it in rando cuntlets too, "this is not how i stated i wish to be used".
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, the fissure axis seems to be "who's in charge". came here tarabostes wasn't about to walk away knight. reminds me of douchebag dood also
diana_coman: well, some lines in the sand are perhaps even sane to have; but there doesn't seem to be any re-evaluation or anything, extremely rigid in weird places.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ah, that myeah; it did quite start like that indeed.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, how to re-evaluate tho if no time to read ? it's a chain.
diana_coman: had yest in #o a funny guy (not romanian though) who was so very busy studying 20 languages (very rigid program!!!) that he didn't have any time for...communicating
mp_en_viaje: "no time to read" implicitly includes "i'm done re-evaluatin ganything"
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: indeed; though it was that "your stuff"; pretty much "rigid study languages, no time to communicate" just here it's rigidly sticking boxes in racks, no time to know wtf
mp_en_viaje: i mean... come, come now, who above me can claim "no time to X" ? here i sit,
like last time, in a bed surrounded by mirrors, MAKING time.
mp_en_viaje: cuz, elementarily, if i didn't make it, i wouldn't have it. i can certainly eat, drink and make merry back to back for the remainder of my days wut.
mp_en_viaje: but i have time to read shaw's deeply inept attempt, like i have time to all sorta things. not because "there's nothing else on tv" anyway, wtf, there was literal parade of sluts, came naked through hotel to see maybe i have time for kitty ? as it happens i didn't. will, later, defo. what can you do.
diana_coman: that much though is true for anyone; ie either they make time for x or they..don't have it ; and yes, they can eat and drink until they die (though as the line goes, that'll come quickly)
mp_en_viaje: but i don't deem the people with no time as having a life. because wtf life is that, circumvectamur amore.
hanbot_abroad: howdy. voiced to say you make time for what's important; nothing's important in a system devoid of meaning because everything from god to a cheeseburger has the same weight and emotional relevancy and etc.
mp_en_viaje: no hierarchy -> no time, just as elementarily.
mp_en_viaje: implicitly what i aimed to resolve with my structured summary in the introduction. but, self-evidently, if no hirarchy -> no meaning -> no possible introduction etc.
hanbot_abroad: unfortunately also --> no regrets, which means no change, and meanwhile i walk away from reading that convo with the sole conclusion people oughta lose a toe at the start of discussions.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 06:03:58 mp_en_viaje: i dunno, your castle, run it as you please.
mp_en_viaje: goes deeper than oft realised, you've got a life, that's all you get, do as you will, gl&all that.
mp_en_viaje is not particularly keen to look back however many years hence "fuuu... if only i had time!".
hanbot_abroad: sure sure, run it as they please, but don't call it something it's not. plenty of grottenbahnschlossen scattered around not calling themselves Serious Businesses.
mp_en_viaje: hanbot_abroad, historical mafia came up with ~same conclusion.
diana_coman: it would be the keks of time if now the singaporean very-tightly-process-no-idea-outside guys actually manage to pass the hurdle and accept payment via deedbot
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:27:22 lobbes: I may look into getting another box from them myself; gonna need another home for blog / auctionbot and would rather not hang everything on my usg hoster
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, how does it feel btw, to watch guys supposedly so far ahead in the race it brings tears to a man's eyes, nevertheless stumble over such "nothings" ?
diana_coman: fwiw re moldavians, I intend to keep the logger there; they *did* shoot themselves in the foot and so I won't add to that what I planned, but I won't move it away either.
mp_en_viaje: yet this is how business, and for that matter adult life, goes. ALL the fucking time, i saw people much smarter than me, richer than me, taller, prettier, whatever you will, " driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women etc" because of this and naught else.
diana_coman: the way I see it, atm a logger is just about what they can handle anyways.
mp_en_viaje: besides, why deny ourselves the benefit of diversity just because definitionally diversity not homogenuous ? it'd be folly writ large.
mp_en_viaje: "i want a diverse bevy of nubile young sluts looking just like this one"
diana_coman: yes, the need for diversity lends them a good hand currently.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:32:39 lobbes: I bought my first coin for ~$20 back in 2013 or abouts, then hung onto it for dear life. Almost lost it in a tardstalk scam, but luckily read hanbot's ancient writings; found this place in time
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:37:37 asciilifeform: lobbes: nao-forgotten d00d wrote a sort of early premined shitcoin, 'urbit', and asciilifeform won one as a prize in a contest he had. is what this was.
mp_en_viaje: anyoen recall the solidcoin btw ? such fucking great early-usg retardation, it was phenomenal. the empire of idiots is really following in some glorious footsteps with their genius "ideas".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:39:13 asciilifeform: so normally i see it as 'non-renewable resource', like to sell organs.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:40:13 asciilifeform: as it is, asciilifeform was building boxen, so managed to not only burn most of coin stash on it, but fiatola saving also.
diana_coman: o.O there's at least one isp in bucharest actually offering an AMD Opteron dedicated ; take that asciilifeform !
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 22:01:04 asciilifeform: lobbes: i expect if we all park in same cage , will end in same tears .
mp_en_viaje: but yes, in general, dumping everything into one rack is unsanitary.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 22:08:54 asciilifeform: will miss the golden time of when could put a box in a locking cage where only l1 human , rather than dirty paws of heathens, will lay on it
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 22:25:11 asciilifeform: off to pet pets. bbl.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, do we have backups or do we need them ? if we need them ima have the disks mailed, but if not, i'd much rather have BingoBoingo destroy them.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: before asking to destroy, I'd much rather go through the steps of actually restoring from existing backups though; ie yes, backups we certainly have but I wouldn't push destroy button just yet if it's not burning hot.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, not burning hot, i just want to help him disentangle as much as possible as fast as possible. when can you give an ok here ?
mp_en_viaje: anyways, ima get some bfast here, we can continue this in a few.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: my latest db backup on production server is from Saturday (5th October); apparently the Sunday one didn't make it through.
diana_coman: I doubt it makes any difference though ie it was just me and dpb connected and neither of us active otherwise.
diana_coman: the website's backup is fully fine (ie from the shared pizarro machine nothing's needed for smg)
diana_coman: both test and production servers backups seem fine and up to date at a minimal inspection; full test means setting them up and there's the involved issue of full environment for them (versions of everything and so on); for this reason I'd say end of this week (Sun 13th) rather than "today"
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: my younghands.club backups are fine too so I can confirm I don't need anything from the shared machine re younghands.club either.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:11:21 lobbes: it is easy to look at, say MP, and go "well I'll never even be close to doing the things he does", but to me BingoBoingo's story is uniquely inspirational in that folx like myself can go "well, he made the jump into uncharted waters. He built *something* even if the resistance of the medium won in the end. Why couldn't I also build something?"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:27:09 BingoBoingo: She's been working on getting some English language, but ripping her out of the Spanish language space and bringing her to eastern Europe and Slavic languages to get colocated with me near another datacenter... When the necessity of spreading seems to have been one of the lessons... It seems a bit much.
mp_en_viaje: asking too much of your women is not nearly as bad as not asking enough.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:41:26 asciilifeform: ( what to do there, is separate q, if i knew i'd buy for self also ! )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:47:33 asciilifeform: the specific flavour of x86 boxen asciilifeform is partial to, has become a rarity, and imho worth to recover all of it for reuse.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:54:20 asciilifeform: imho castle mpstein would be a proper home for the remaining FG's, asciilifeform does not know how long has 'until sepsis' .
mp_en_viaje: is the idea you're actually packing to move out of us or what exactly is the underlying unspoken content ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 01:00:43 asciilifeform: y'know, the designated spot where a pauper paups.
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942155 << yeah, was remarkably slow. you're a master at discounting time-cost and time-risk, but consider : the probability of something like latechco weird occuring JUST AS you were preparing a supply run increases linearily with the amount of time you spend in that phase.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 01:09:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw piz was to be also asciilifeform's escape tunnel, but dug not even 1% of it, so is the smallest loss.
mp_en_viaje: which here was about six months ? a year ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 15:29:42 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dun fughet where bv ended up delivering a crate for the cost of 3
mp_en_viaje: sure, "not 1% dug". if you take forever to do anything, you'll never have done anything at any point, it's the way this works. gotta move fast and act decisively to get anywhere ; and no, this comes with no guarantee you'll get anywhere you wanted to go in the first place.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 06:29:47 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, how does it feel btw, to watch guys supposedly so far ahead in the race it brings tears to a man's eyes, nevertheless stumble over such "nothings" ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 06:36:07 mp_en_viaje: anyoen recall the solidcoin btw ? such fucking great early-usg retardation, it was phenomenal. the empire of idiots is really following in some glorious footsteps with their genius "ideas".
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, yes but his whinings were the stuff of legend. "SOLIDCOIN WIL LTAKE OVER!!!"
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: AHA, During both of his appearances
BingoBoingo: All caps, all the time, 1998-2005-ish "Real ultimate Ninja" style copy all the time
diana_coman: after going through ~30 pre-selected ISPs and getting more of a headache than anything useful out of it, I'll take a break and a deep breath; at this rate I'll end up going to datacentre ~1km from here and at least talk to some idiots face to face rather than via email/chat/whatever.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, and we just make the republic girl-only at that juncture also ?
diana_coman: but atm I need a home for ossasepia.com and one for younghands.club and Maxim rather pissed me off
mp_en_viaje: whodda thunk the problem of gender in tech is how to actually get any boys in at all.
diana_coman: it's one thing to say he can't this and that; it's another thing to piss on business, dunno.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno dood, nobody's obliged to take money.
diana_coman: and at any rate, I clearly need to have stuff in more than 1 place, it's not sane to pile it all up in Chisinau as it's not sane to pile it all up anywhere else really
diana_coman: sure; but then what, am I going to run after him with more money, wtf.
mp_en_viaje: basically, failure of republic as such to have isp now forced all lords to have private isp, for more cost and more wasted effort and etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 07:10:49 diana_coman: both test and production servers backups seem fine and up to date at a minimal inspection; full test means setting them up and there's the involved issue of full environment for them (versions of everything and so on); for this reason I'd say end of this week (Sun 13th) rather than "today"
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, will you be able to photodocument the destruction of said drives once you get the ok, currently some point soon after sun 13th ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 11:32:06 diana_coman: after going through ~30 pre-selected ISPs and getting more of a headache than anything useful out of it, I'll take a break and a deep breath; at this rate I'll end up going to datacentre ~1km from here and at least talk to some idiots face to face rather than via email/chat/whatever.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I will photodocument destruction of everything with destruction requested
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 05:47:08 mp_en_viaje: it's a hardware rng. i'd link you the specsheet / pics etc but atm its site is down
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 06:09:01 maxim_mivo: I don't think that's possible.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 06:29:47 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, how does it feel btw, to watch guys supposedly so far ahead in the race it brings tears to a man's eyes, nevertheless stumble over such "nothings" ?
mp_en_viaje: no, simply thinks theres things moar important than money.
mp_en_viaje: ideological allignment is no hollow word. it's a thing.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 06:48:16 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, not burning hot, i just want to help him disentangle as much as possible as fast as possible. when can you give an ok here ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, specifically re urbit, it is very much mit media lab vintage. what blowhard
internet media empire antics he indulged before are imo unrelated (and also quite irrelevant)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 09:03:39 mp_en_viaje: Hi, I’m John D., your father and in this episode of Rated ARM TV, I’m gonna tell you the story of how I personally dismantled my own already incredibly awesome life in an attempt to give you, my one and only son a much better one than I had as a child, why it had to be done, and why this type of sacrificial behavior is one of the main ingredients of being A Real Man."
mp_en_viaje: i
still don;t perceive the difference between above quited john d. and historical curtis y, or
tucker m. or etc. this may be a failure of my differentiator, but w/e.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 06:41:12 diana_coman: o.O there's at least one isp in bucharest actually offering an AMD Opteron dedicated ; take that asciilifeform !
mp_en_viaje: i am vaguely miffed in that i gave the dood his real name back and he never as much as acknowledged this service ; but then again such idiocy is
typically common for the cuckbois.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Since Intel own-goaled on the optimizations thing and Intel lost the speed war, the NuOpterons have been selling
mp_en_viaje: at least girls have enough sense to "oh, thank you for making me go naked the first time, AND THEREBY GIVING ME MY OWN BODY BACK"
mp_en_viaje: but it takes about three and a half females to centrifuge enough stupid to make one makle.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, how did snsa end up owning part of pizarro ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not equity. S.NSA holds pizarro debt for the FG and machines
mp_en_viaje: either you provide some link or ima have to go fishing for wtf happened here.
mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, they will be gassed with anyway, ima just have to have someone else remake 'em.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so if your top nodes are designated by w/e priests, what are you bothering me for ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-25 16:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how about you lot take three dozen FGs at .45 ? (cash ; or at your option .5 BTC worth of convertible bonds for s.nsa).
mp_en_viaje: you said "my place is ordained here" i asked who ordained. you said "priests". this begs the question, why are you here ?
mp_en_viaje: if your lookup system includes a different top node, then why bother with this ?
ossabot: Logged on 2018-02-25 11:38:23 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how about you lot take three dozen FGs at .45 ? (cash ; or at your option .5 BTC worth of convertible bonds for s.nsa).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 11:22:00 mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942155 << yeah, was remarkably slow. you're a master at discounting time-cost and time-risk, but consider : the probability of something like latechco weird occuring JUST AS you were preparing a supply run increases linearily with the amount of time you spend in that phase.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, look, when discussion re "why don't you sell" is brought, you run under
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941047 ; but when discussion is brought to how "you were prepping this what to sell for 1yr+, of course something was bound to happen in that sorta interval", you aim to run under "what was i gonna do, something eventually did happen"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 15:33:24 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i aint actually disagreeing in re 'must sell'. but pointing out that also must have ~what~ to sell.
mp_en_viaje: how long have you "not had what to sell" ?
mp_en_viaje: well, either one or the other of the statements is false. either you did not sell because idiots ; or else did not sell because had not to sell. if the latter's the case, you had not to sell because you took your sweet time.
mp_en_viaje: but be all this as it may, not like you're not paying for it : the longer you spend prone, the likelier you get hurt.
mp_en_viaje: jaywaling in 3 seconds is a lot more feasible than jaywalking in 3 days -- even the most deserted roads get a coupla cars / week
BingoBoingo: In fiatardation and "targeted sanctions": Adobe canceled their software subscriptions to all customers with Vzla billing addresses, no refunds.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mostly don't want to go back to the Zone. Chick is a part that weighs in favor of LATAM as preferred area out of zone.
mp_en_viaje: im sure all the miamists in shitole, anywhere buy apple whatever.
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i put this in the log somewhere, about how all the bums collect artefacts, even if broken, to stroke their spurious feelings of belonging
mp_en_viaje: i wouldn't agree, having been there recently.
mp_en_viaje: ex sovok slightly lower cut of orc than ex-spanish empire.
BingoBoingo remembers seeing Windows 95 rollout at the local walmart. People saying "Oh, this is going to be like cars with new models denominated always and forever by model year"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, sovok world is belarus, ukraina, kazahstan etc
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 11:35:25 mp_en_viaje: basically, failure of republic as such to have isp now forced all lords to have private isp, for more cost and more wasted effort and etc.
mp_en_viaje: whatevs, just raises the bar to lordship some more.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> ex sovok slightly lower cut of orc than ex-spanish empire. << The diversity of Latin folk here creates spaces where not everything is pure resistance all the time.
mp_en_viaje: i was deeply unimpressed with the rusland orclettes. yes, tall and slender, but no tits no ass, dumber than fucking rocks in any case. latinas at least have some vague notions of functional social insertion, but the radiocontaminated remnants of that fallen empire are pretty much exactly the
white trash except vastly pretentious and deeply unexperienced with what be
mp_en_viaje: ignm as poor as they are actuallty means in practice
mp_en_viaje: because stronger fambly insulates them as its ~only output.
BingoBoingo notices Uruguay selects for immigrants willing to at least physicly separate from extended family constraint
BingoBoingo has met sufficient Porteños to support MP's damnation of Argentina.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, point being, i wouldn't buy a truckload of sovok importa for ten dollars.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the problem with pollution is such, that any movement is helpful -- the great boon from escaping the toxin cocktail you're already overthelmed by will overpower on the short term any shortcomings
mp_en_viaje: man who came in from the cold might even think zyklon "showers" pleasant smelling for a spell
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 05:54:07 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, will you want the boxes shipped over to you first to inspect seals and so on ?
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-09-27 maxim_mivo: We don't offer a KVM service since all our servers are equipped with an OOB Managment module (iDRAC, IPMI, iLO, etc.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aite, I acquired ratcheting straps for the hand truck. About to get some boxes out.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will use some sort of cushion. The full sized boxes are too large for any suitcase I brought to Uruguay. Hence the value of your ancient giants.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Reasonably smooth .6 km path. Will cab if proceeding delicately on foot is unfeasible.
mod6: BingoBoingo: Working on some login info for you here...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: These per the narrative I was given were passed by dedicado suggesting we are several layers deep in unsustainable sysco weird.
BingoBoingo: Hanging off of predictably unresponsive Centurylink, who the probably selected on the basis of "biggest, etc" along
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dulap and two S.MG machines extracted
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Only folks who said anything were the ones at the building door. Instructed me to use a different exit next time.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 12:31:23 asciilifeform: some places immediately seem broken tho. e.g. asciilifeform only needed a day in bucharest to understand that would not want to live there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 13:28:26 asciilifeform: i would not propose to attempt 'isp' in the heart of mordor, but possibly could house a box or two that way.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 13:27:36 asciilifeform: again experimenting w/ 'what if within physical range of asciilifeform ?' but does not expect fat return. granted these wouldn't in a million years eat btc, but w/ mp's agreement, asciilifeform could feed it orcbux and eat btc . in principle.
mp_en_viaje: at the worst they're giing to "omfg, child porn". which 100% maps to "ddos", orcs just went dumb.
mp_en_viaje: does anyone give the first shit whether the wardrums go ooga booga or oo-aa ?
mp_en_viaje: either they behave or they misbehave, how they explain it to themselves is not even interesting to "their' women.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 13:39:05 asciilifeform: in piz, we solved this by having kvm device in the rack. apparently heathens no longer keep these around, near as i can tell.
mp_en_viaje: there's no real reason it should take a u rly.
BingoBoingo stretching a bit before I roll again. Tweaked hip a bit unloading cart
ossabot: trinque last seen here on
2019-10-03 22:53:34: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment
ossabot: trinque last seen in #trilema on
2019-10-03 22:53:34: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For the next three extractions I am leaning towards taking mod6/BTF, trinque, and the shared leaving Qntra/DNS, Rockchip plant, S.NSA vacant, switch, and the bilge box to be extracted
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. The ones I haven't yet taken are coming out next trip. Had to get more labeling tape
BingoBoingo will probably have to use duffel for RKplane given it's delicacy seems incompatible with ratchet straps and ride
BingoBoingo: Well, the width makes it a challenge for that. Back bag only so tall. Strongly disinclined to leave it open an take the astronomicly small chance pichi blazed out on pasta base gets unusually curious/bold.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I somehow think I might not be the only one valuing your seal; but anyway.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:53:44 asciilifeform: lobbes, diana_coman :
logotron tree updated, removed 'shlex' , tested with bare hands on local staging box ( baitbot ! ) , can be used .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I am slowly digesting log (because I ate too much ips-talk today really) but I'll get to that too, thank you.
diana_coman: I got to the point where I'm firing them emails ~ can I order that or the other *without* your "account" that I utterly don't need; and similar.
diana_coman: some are at least...looking to see if they can
diana_coman: fwiw romanians are *still* the most responsive for some reason; and honestly, I even tried to steer away from ro.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:32:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: back in '17 when dulap-I crater was still smoking , asciilifeform wanted to try ro . but mp_en_viaje said that it was poor site, and i'm inclined to think that he had good reason to say this.
diana_coman: it *is* poor site; but a. still better than no site b. for diversity/maybe finding some actual people it may still work
diana_coman: ie it's one thing if you look at it to make an isp and another if not
diana_coman: but yes otherwise and moreover, it's no diversity if I don't go with moldavians but I go with Bucharest; 0 diversity in that really
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 16:09:51 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: one simple pill is to colo a kvm. but obv. 1) costs 2) someone has to agree to operate.
diana_coman: myeah but a bit too many potentially + having to get to it is yet another thing on top of a huge pile
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 11:44:28 asciilifeform: diana_coman: where's your current 'here' ? scotland ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 19:40:36 diana_coman: asciilifeform: I somehow think I might not be the only one valuing your seal; but anyway.
lobbes:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942586 << I anticipated this response, but not sure how you figure utterly insane. I'm not asciilifeform nor diana_coman for e.g.; I'm still pretty "green" at programming and need to research each design phase and thoroughly test my implementations as I go to make sure it is correct. Oftentimes discover "shit, I fucked up, need to redo this part". I.e. learning as I go
lobbes: Add in the feedback cycle, digging into mpwp mysql guts, new additions to spec tacked on (here I would link to various documented pieces on blog, if I had a working one) and I don't come anywhere close to 5-hours. It will be serving Trilema, and it is needed to be correct in one go; no do-overs. My reputation's on the line here. Spot of work my foot!
diana_coman: asciilifeform: from bucharest with amd-love: amd opteron x2150 apu 4 cores 1.5GHz 8 GB ddr3, centos7
diana_coman: but no, they called 3 dudes to talk to me and still can't get over this outlandish idea that I do.not.want.to.make.account.with.them
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was instructed to ask Latecho to add the handcart door to my card to use the hand truck again. Going for all disks, all I can carry without wheels trip.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: while they were willing to talk/ask someone else to come and talk to this weird woman, they were utterly shocked at ~any request; to the point of 4min silence followed by a total change of subject
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently they don't want wheels scuffing up the floors of the lobby, hence have to use service entrance
diana_coman: I suppose I'm so outside of their corporation worksheet that they just blink for 4 minutes and reset to next point on the checklist
diana_coman: so despite the lovely amd, I think I can't currently stomach its masters.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everytime we did this with the wheeled luggage, the WTC people wanked the same wank, but with the luggage we always did that in one shot and non-issue. Card works normally for normal doors.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: atm I don't have box ready for this (I wasn't actually prepared for pizarro death, what can I say) + I'd rather know a bit more about those to whom I'm sending boxes, dunno.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:11:48 lobbes:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942586 << I anticipated this response, but not sure how you figure utterly insane. I'm not asciilifeform nor diana_coman for e.g.; I'm still pretty "green" at programming and need to research each design phase and thoroughly test my implementations as I go to make sure it is correct. Oftentimes discover "shit, I fucked up, need to redo this part". I.e. learning as I go
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ah, sí they fixed that number light thing
lobbes: asciilifeform: I dunno, you got that logotron out at breakneck speedz ( I know you recycled phuctor's www chunks, but still )
lobbes: asciilifeform: I guess that was my point; what is simple for you ain't so simple for me
lobbes: lol, btw, at dc where we learn marble floors > working dc and lifts that don't have booby traps
lobbes: asciilifeform: interesting re: kuklachev (I had never heard of him). And I see what you mean, though even when found what a certain cat is willing to do, still must train that cat. I do enjoy what I do/have done here so far, just... I still have much to learn
diana_coman: asciilifeform: you see the problem on "uninterrupted" but others see it on "think about something" , you know
diana_coman: asciilifeform: did you actually check/press to that last shlex_removal?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: nm, found the trouble, it was corrupted sig file on my end; sorry about the trouble, it's been a long day here.
diana_coman: bot & reader deployed to latest head (aka no shlex-mlex mess); searches with ' should not fail anymore
diana_coman: and ukrainians (or so it seems) with servers around europe do not list opterons but are amenable to offer it if one asks.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform and everyone else: All disks are out of the rack with the exception of the RockChip kernel SD cards. Maybe a couple of unused RK spare are hiding in the bilge box. A variety of miscellaneous was recovered as well including the KVM, a couple handfuls of USD ttyls, the unsealed FUCKGOATs that were plugged into RockChips, and for sentimental value the Qntra/DNS server I flew into the country with because it's tiny ass fit in
BingoBoingo: the duffel. Some other bilge ware was recovered.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mod6 I apologize, but I have not yet backed up your server. I will return with the disks, power it on again, and see what I can do with the credentials you passed.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: When I went earlier and wheeled out the three servers, there were two receptionist girls in the glass box. When I returned on disk mission, there was no one in glass box well before normal departing time.
mod6: Thanks BingoBoingo. If it proves difficult to get logged into the server with the disks in the enclosures; perhaps don't worry about it, can just ship the disks back. But while you're at it, it may be pretty helpful if you pull out the raid card and drive cables to the card and send that along as well.
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 57 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> I apologize, but I have not yet backed up your server. I will return with the disks, power it on again, and see what I can do with the credentials you passed.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform mod6: I plan to return and SSH into the box.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What remains are all the rails, misc unused adapters and more USB TTYLs, The Rockchip plant, a small mountain of power and network cables, the rackmount power strip, the two switches, and the following 1U servers that will need wheeled out:
BingoBoingo: TBF/Mod6, Trinque, UY1/Shared Hosting, S.NSA vacant
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It should be paid up through the end of this month per my notes. Then there's + 7 business days, etc, etc per the contract.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho. << Three machines in one trip with wheels went well enough 4 should not be a problem. Without wheels, I am contemplating the logistics as we speak
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Next dive I want to recover mod6's data, whatever fits in the mochila that isn't the switches or power cables. Then I plan to ask for access to the door for wheels.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tonight it is too late to get the cardless girl into the building, but yes I am trying to think of something that will make the servers ergonomic enough to carry. Legionaire's kit is meant to be worn. Server meant to be densly racked. The potential to drop a chassis more than anything is what gives me pause.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ideally tomorrow they will all be in the habitation module. If recovering the boxes is hindered, THAT, the hindering, is actionable.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Latecho hasn't done any hidnering today. Just the lobby tile police.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per the contract the cage would have to be in arrears 30 days or longer before they can suspend service, deny access, etc
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per my records in the months after they said to stop sending more money for a while, after MP's big incoming wire via Mocky, we spent down much of the security deposit as BTC price was low.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right, that's customer equity
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the odd balance that remains from security deposit/mega bolus going into the datacenter last fall
ericbot: Logged on 2018-07-24 12:38:09 asciilifeform: oblig su joak : division commander notices that maxim gun emplacement has fallen silent. he walks over , 'comrade gunner, why is your maxim silent' gunner : 'comrade lieutenant, i've run through my belt' lieutenant : 'BUT YOUR ARE A COMMUNIST!' ... the maxim promptly begins to chatter again !
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> asciilifeform mod6: I plan to return and SSH into the box. << Thanks BB!
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.