tmsr - Log 2019-08-24

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930421 << incorrect. I spend virtually no time thinking about whether the bot I wrote while still 20whatever is any good.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 12:08:41 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930302 << i got distinct impression that trinque is ripping own hair out from grrr re bugs in the (quite gnarly, i think was written in n00b yrs) cl bot

trinque: all of this posturing aside, do y'all want someone that gives a shit about selling pizarro accounts? need any help with that?

trinque: on the subj of phf, I suppose I'm just butthurt because warring over the null set is perhaps one of my fondest memories of this hall.

BingoBoingo: <trinque> all of this posturing aside, do y'all want someone that gives a shit about selling pizarro accounts? need any help with that? << A solution to automate private message placement on heathen forums is desired.

BingoBoingo: It took mircea_popescu how many baited hooks to rescue nicoleci from midwestern sadness? The number was seven to 8 figures.

lobbes: in other words, trinque, you don't see the fetlife automation as the same item as pizarro automation? In any case, why are automated "hi's" and a voice for a pizarro mutually exclusive?

lobbes: Well, you said that automation is not what Pizarro needs. BingoBoingo brought up mp's data (from his fetlife filtering) that suggests that in order to reach actual humans and sift through the ocean, you need automation

BingoBoingo: #pizarro gets a slow, steady number of walk ins

BingoBoingo: Per mircea_popescu's documented experience it seems private messages on www traps is the highest return payload delivery path

lobbes: yeah, and per my "not mutually exclusive?" I don't see why you can't have both automation AND good ad copy is all

lobbes: in any case, I think trinque is pretty good at ad copy writing >> http://archive.is/WxgwM

lobbes: and once asciilifeform's hands are free, I think he will be able to focus on the automated bits iirc

trinque: man, as soon as somebody writes that automated lead generator we'll all retire with girls wrapped around our cocks just like mp.

trinque: it's not IRC trivia that drives me away from you lot. it's the bizzare godman worship with *no intent whatsoever* to put in the work to make a red cent.

BingoBoingo: It was a bit of a surprise to me, but outside the wire... cockwrapping girls are easy to find. Like mp's or not like mp's is a matter of scarce head quality. Tomorrow, I'm going to have to put another dump out on my fight in the realm of what asciilifeform calls "unbounded symbols" and the enemy calls "modern democracy". There is a 10-12% chance per heathen polls that the risk profile of Pizarro in Uruguay elevates substantially over

BingoBoingo: derps ritually marking papers.

BingoBoingo: Tomorrow I am going to try the cuntoo genesis scripts on the test machine with a differrent set of found kernel configs while the Uruguayos play their annual independence day death race game. Then I'll ask alf if we have multithreading on ARM yet and suggest his next payload consist of either 4 full 1U AMD64 box, 2 1Ubox and 8 PCengines APU, or 3 1Ubox and 4 APU.

BingoBoingo: It isn't simply that I don't write new code that works, its that I've only ever successfully coded anyting with my delete key

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat is this.. it would seem that trinque is offering his services ? why the immediate refusal? find out what he would like in recompense, and what offers.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm not refusing at all. I'm simply stating where it seems our outlook on the next hardware move is as of this moment, my admission of code generation inability Spanish hasn't helped, and I've highlighted an edge case risk (The Colorado Talvi as Prissident) which hangs over Pizarro's physical presence.

BingoBoingo: And I am indeed giving Cuntoo another try because linux kernel shit is nearly Argentine cyanoacrylate level shit. The kernel config is an essential piece of making the orchestra string yet because shitgnomes it is a very rough edge to the fault of noone here but plenty of people out of here.

lobbes: I gotta say, the last ~20 or so lines have been one weird conversation. I think trinque was trying to say "pizarro needs sales yesterday, want help with it?" and BingoBoingo was trying to say "sure but automation of marketing is also important". Somehow none of the points connected despite everyone seemingly being in agreement (and my attempts at articulating it I don't think helped either)

BingoBoingo: lobbes: This is a very fair read

BingoBoingo: In formerly local news, a classmate from undergrad is dead after executing a search warrant in East Saint Louis.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 23:19:54 trinque: all of this posturing aside, do y'all want someone that gives a shit about selling pizarro accounts? need any help with that?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 23:30:52 BingoBoingo: <trinque> all of this posturing aside, do y'all want someone that gives a shit about selling pizarro accounts? need any help with that? << A solution to automate private message placement on heathen forums is desired.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930568 << conversely, if you're interested, it's the cazalla-esque "i'll remember about this place i used to be cool at whenever i'm drunk / argue with the wifey, but put 0 effort into either documenting myself or actually changing".

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 00:28:22 trinque: it's not IRC trivia that drives me away from you lot. it's the bizzare godman worship with *no intent whatsoever* to put in the work to make a red cent.

mircea_popescu: one failure mode's not particularly better than the other ; nor is failure this magical and "nobody could have predicted"-y thing. your neglected blog's exactly like phf's neglected blog, and it drives the same sort of stupidity in both of you, for the same reasons, in the same ways.

mircea_popescu: "butthurt"'s not even getting close. however you're misrepresenting it to yourself, what you're actually doing is fucking yourself over.

mircea_popescu: the actual reality of the matter is this : that nicole could very well http://trilema.com/2018/meet-miss-piggy/ and yet her cunt didn't fall off ; eric could very well http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/on-relationships-or-how-pretense-kills/ and yet his cock didn't fall off ; but phf couldn't, and is butthole DID fall off.

mircea_popescu: yes, the business inacumen & sheer inability to make money is going to kill "them", slowly but surely. the inability to think about yourself is going to make it irrelevant whether you're killed or not, however. it's one node up.

hanbot: mircea_popescu #pizarro logs paint a slightly different picture than the exchange above imo, for instance http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pizarro/2019-08-17#1000063 --though looks like trinque never got an answer. looks to me like miscommunication, not particularly lack thereof...though none of this speaks to the "where's this written on your blog" issue.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 20:38:02 trinque: BingoBoingo: I had another idea re: customer acquisition for y'all.

mircea_popescu: though in fairness, when crossing castle walls one's kindly asked to provide context, plox.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Last night I was. Today I am brewing coffee, getting thiamine, going to a meeting, asking myself why *this* stupidity again, and sticking my nose back in the book.

trinque: at any rate. I have a coin processor that is only going to be worthwhile if there are services which use processing.

trinque: on the blog front, I've got some weird brewing in response to the tlp seroquel annotation.

trinque: re: my various offers to #p, I'd be happy to fix the website and work on plans for outreach just as an experiment in increasing bot-wallet use

trinque: by fix the website, I mean that it's currently written with #t as an audience, and if folks here were going to buy more #p services, they'd do so based whether BingoBoingo seems to be drinking again, not upon your website.

mircea_popescu: trinque, all of this is quite reasonable. what worries me, specifically, is the (by now sadly well documented) process whereby danielpbarron / mod6 / phf / etc 1. stop talking "because busy working", then 2. stop reading and then 3 "inexplicably" start "having problems", all very "varied" and "impredictable" subjectively, but from outside all very fucking transparently the same one thing.

mircea_popescu: now, to take things apart : i don't think pizarro is sustainable as it stands. BingoBoingo 's been there for years now, and he's already showing the wear at the edges.

mircea_popescu: if you'd be interested in helping out on that front, it'll prolly be best if you actually get involved in the partnership outright. none of this "fix the website copy" "helping", erryone wants to do the "helping" of employees whereas republic needs independent men not wage slave wannabe's.

mircea_popescu: in any case itll need a firm committment to a) discussing all the problems b) thoroughly.

mircea_popescu: if it even can be salvaged anymore. but in any case if it continues as is the only possible result's pretty obvious, only the timeframe's perhaps dubious.

mircea_popescu: otherwise, you don't specifically need pizarro to do outreach. you can do outreach on your own, on whatever lines are appealing. trilema is displaying a sexual avenue, "building a harem" ; diana_coman 's younghands thing is sorta 2year community college thing, "come and learn the basics of computing for very reasonable tuition". there's nothing wrong with that.

mircea_popescu: nor is that any kind of an exhaustive list. build a 3d art studio if you fucking feel like it, hire two or twelve dozen +ev animators to make things. buy some real estate for rental/airbnb-ing and run the damned thing as your castle, buy a buncha cab medallions do that, pretty much ~anything~ can be it.

mircea_popescu: there's literally no limit in anyone's way and all i hear for the past month is butthurt over "abuse" "cults" "worship" etcetera. what the fuck already, whole idea's a) do something ; b) show people ; c) get ~useful~ feedback. this cycle ALWAYS worked to date, no exception, so the common mind response's to... stop engaging ? what, is failure such a delightful thing gotta SOMEHOW ensure it ?

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, wtf, seriously ? what, are you bored over there, what is it ?

BingoBoingo: Curiosity, nostalgia, and the late winter blahs beat the idea, grown faint over time, that I don't even enjoy drinking. Loading up on caffeine, water, and vitamins has me feeling much more like a person than when I woke up today.

mircea_popescu: incidentally, lobbes : as a purely off the cuff notion, if you feel like taking a trip to UY to evaluate whether "a new life" awaits for you there, we might be able to work something out!

diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930582 - always good to learn something new but what are you aiming to do exactly?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 01:57:40 lobbes: anyways I'm off to learn more awk and then bed

mircea_popescu: "We have issued a warning to our technician who did not feel like installing something he was unfamiliar with." keks

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930573 << why 'ask alf if we have multithreading on ARM', ffs, it was ave1's piece (and he seems to have awol again), afaik no one even has it on operating table atm ☟︎

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 00:56:59 BingoBoingo: Tomorrow I am going to try the cuntoo genesis scripts on the test machine with a differrent set of found kernel configs while the Uruguayos play their annual independence day death race game. Then I'll ask alf if we have multithreading on ARM yet and suggest his next payload consist of either 4 full 1U AMD64 box, 2 1Ubox and 8 PCengines APU, or 3 1Ubox and 4 APU.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930585 << and yes we need erry possible expertise! BingoBoingo yer 1st q for trinque oughta have been 'what'll it cost' . this being said, we're flat outta what to sell, it is impermissible to delay any longer the irons !

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 04:21:04 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930548 <-> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930555 how about you stop asking each other stupid questions and do stuff instead! yes, they need everything, what can you do ?

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo unless you have a specific objection , i'ma go with 2x opteron (as already specced!) + 6x rk + 4x apu 1 . ( despite lack of adult gnat for rk , it continues to sell, really is the closest thing we have to an in-demand item )

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, the compilers thing is on ave1 table, but I have to trust that you better understand the compiler situation.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i also would like to find what it'd cost to widen the pipe. AND how much currently is eaten, and by whom. i have dark suspicion currently that we're dangerously low on pipe.

asciilifeform: i.e. it WILL have to be widened, and also possible that the 'all you can eat' model of divvying it up is not practical.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i assume you read log, and did notice that e.g. mircea_popescu was getting 10 kB (!) / sec !!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr my own measurements are wildly variant, i suspect the 3 ( 4? ) trb nodes are bursting and eating pipe

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and ffs , let's engage trinque immediately. agree on reasonable commission with him, if he wants one. and find what he's willing to do.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and remember that yer the current chairman. dun let yerself get incapacitated, asciilifeform is not expert in chairmaning , but someone has to actually fucking steer the thing, or we're sunk, irons or no irons

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll draft an inquiry to fire off on Monday about pricing more pipe.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more like 'if colonel aint answering, major will have to act on own position w/out answer!'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: find what has to be done re the other q also (what is eating pipe??)

BingoBoingo: trinque: let me know what sort of incentive or commision structure would interest you. Also as mircea_popescu suggested, think about engaging asciilifeform and mod6 about the chair...

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mod6 , near as i can tell, is incapacitated. and i'm essentially prisoner. yer the current chair.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If trinque decides he wants to come in as an owner-partner, that is a conversation you and mod6 will have to handle as the owner-partners.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and remember that you did not end up with the work by happenstance, but because yer the 1 with all of the necessary skill. but you WILL have to avoid turning into mod6 , or no amt of expert will be able to help.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if trinque wants in -- i'm entirely in favour . fella currently runs a meatspace biz, in 1 of the most hostile environments imaginable, and as i understand -- successfully

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930619 << I am attempting to bake a 'logotron_lite' that will spit out static html logs from ZNC/irssi logs in the style of the classic #e logs, but without needing the pyturds used in the heathen irclog2html

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 11:10:48 diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930582 - always good to learn something new but what are you aiming to do exactly?

lobbes: I'm thinking I can perhaps do the html-izing bits 100% in awk and bash, tho for the bot echoing and search bits I think those will need at least a sqlite database and php

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930617 << it does appeal, but I know before even taking a trip I need to sort a few things out on the homefront here (namely getting ex-girl outta my mortgaged house, selling house, etc.). Hard to say one way or another where I'll be in a year atm.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 11:02:36 mircea_popescu: incidentally, lobbes : as a purely off the cuff notion, if you feel like taking a trip to UY to evaluate whether "a new life" awaits for you there, we might be able to work something out!

lobbes: I've begun charting the local bdsm scene here in charlotte for e.g., so who knows, that may yield fruit or it may not. Trying to get out of my shell and meet people who know things and do some meat networking locally for the time-being (this will all be in a blog post(s) once I do enough initial charting). Aside from that, financially speaking my short-term actions will be to keep my expenses low and

BingoBoingo: lobbes: A trip doesn't have to be forever.

mircea_popescu: i confess i don't understand the difficulty. you call the realtor tell them the house is to go up for sale asap and call the police tell them someone's in your house please take them out.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I negotiated with mod6 1 BTC cash compensation due September for managing pizarro September 1, 2018 to September 1st, 2019. In the early days with ben_vulpes at the helm there was warrant wrangling. Even if I had warrant wrangled the asciilifeform and mod6 ownership interests would still dwarf mine. Having the negotiation of their interests in an equity deal added to my plate seems like an incredible increase in

BingoBoingo: responsibility here.

lobbes: mircea_popescu: yeah, I think I'm overcomplicating it. I talked to an attorney yest. and they said the same thing really

mircea_popescu: nfi why you'd want to spend $500 or w/e a lawyer wants per hour for walk-in just for that tbh

lobbes: well I wanted to avoid any of the classic 'reich traps'; for e.g. back in MA they have the 'common law marriage' thing (or used to at least)

lobbes: and I'd love to visit BingoBoingo, but I also want to save a bit first to go on my own fuel in a sense

lobbes: plus I only have so many weeks that I can take off from the salt mines, and I want to take time to visit old meat friends as well. Trying to plan out the order of operations I guess

mircea_popescu: i'd have no problem advancing some cash for the purpose. you can go there for say a month, see if you can / want to make a life for yourself there.

mircea_popescu: on your end, one advantage is that indeed the expenses are significantly less than fucking boston. if you can manage to get employment remote, it'll give you a lot more free income than any of the carefully engineered to no tleave you anything us jobs

mircea_popescu: also, presuming you need a new gf, it is possible better material in uy than ma / nc

mircea_popescu: on my end, IF you actually like it there i guess we could start a little republican coven, buy a house and have more convenient anchoring.

mircea_popescu: i wouldn't necessarily mind owning some uy real estate, if its actually being used by the lordship.

mircea_popescu: as an added benefit, if your mortage's underwater, you can just walk away. mail the bank the keys and that's that.

mircea_popescu: you're stuck being out of reich for ~6 years or so, but w/e, your republican credit's good.

BingoBoingo: lobbes: Test driving the place is important as well on the "if you like it front"

BingoBoingo: <lobbes> really, all of my 'school debts' in the same manner could just... well disappear << They do

mircea_popescu: lobbes, generally they'll take a renegotiation, but basically... not depending on reich is always better than depending.

mircea_popescu: anyway, these are large questions and nobody can answer for you, so don't take lightly.

lobbes: and I think I could actually manage to get a month to work remotely at current job; my co-worker for e.g. went for 4 weeks to his home in Israel and worked remotely, so wai couldn't I?

BingoBoingo: lobbes: All any fiatists in Uruguay care about here is whether you are in "clearing" or not. If you pay your Uruguay bills, you stay out of clearing and all is good. You don't pay your Uruguay bills, you go in clearing and outer barrio sadness awaits.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's the English word they stole to mean something. The way credit reporting works here for individuals, all they can say is whether the person in question is in default or not.

BingoBoingo: Here they just randomly adopt English words and put attach wildly different meanings to them.

BingoBoingo: While shop can be a verb or noun in English, with shopping a clear conjugation of the verb shop... Here, shopping is the noun and WTF is a shop.

BingoBoingo: As the Peruana learns English she runs into many "Uruguayo pretends to know English" traps. She's still got quite a ways to go before getting a a key and being genesis'd into Republican personhood.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:28:08 lobbes: I've begun charting the local bdsm scene here in charlotte for e.g., so who knows, that may yield fruit or it may not. Trying to get out of my shell and meet people who know things and do some meat networking locally for the time-being (this will all be in a blog post(s) once I do enough initial charting). Aside from that, financially speaking my short-term actions will be to keep my expenses low and

lobbes: yeah, been interested for a while. But being stuck in last relationship prevented me from actually exploring that realm. Thing is that I have 0 experience, so gotta start somewhere

lobbes: went to my first 'munch' as they call it a few days ago; met some cool enough people at least. got another one today in a few hours. will see!

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930684 << holyfuq, i get up for tea and mircea_popescu offers to lend a battleship !

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:36:24 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't necessarily mind owning some uy real estate, if its actually being used by the lordship.

asciilifeform already 'worx remote', could easily do multi-week tours of duty in BingoBoingostan, if we had such a thing

mircea_popescu: i for some reason had the impression you rather didn't. nfi why, couldn't point to anything.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo at one time obsessively scouted , threw into log coupla dozen specimens he liked

asciilifeform: right, he went all around the city and bloodhounded. BingoBoingo plox to update mircea_popescu re findings.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930655 << this is potentially good idea, and iirc mircea_popescu described a recipe where can even be made from straight mp's-wp

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:27:32 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930619 << I am attempting to bake a 'logotron_lite' that will spit out static html logs from ZNC/irssi logs in the style of the classic #e logs, but without needing the pyturds used in the heathen irclog2html

asciilifeform: ( as i understand, tho, mine is actually faster, in re page generation, than a wp-based item would be; but imho oughta have ~different~ variants of logtron, not only 1 )

asciilifeform: right. ( as i understand one couldn't actually bot in php , it's made to run in bursts )

lobbes: true. for the bot I think I may just take asciilifeform's item and hack it to use sqlite

asciilifeform: lobbes: i have a (not mature) variant of the bot, where all sqlism is removed, and when encounters new line it makes a 'post' req to a set url (that answers only on localhost) on the other end, instead of writing to db

asciilifeform: lobbes: this would decouple entirely bot from db. but i left it alone, preferring to get working variant out the door asap

asciilifeform: ( the <1s search folx are accustomed to, aint happening with straight grepism )

asciilifeform: iirc phf didn't bother with indexing, simply kept all of log in memory and did equiv. of grep. but this only scales to a point.

asciilifeform: tbf could actually work for a rather long time -- the collective mass of the 6 chans logged by snsabot is atm <100MB

asciilifeform: i rather like being able to use structured queries on the thing by hand, tho

lobbes: plus with grep I'd imagine you open the door to 'rce' vulnerabilities. vs a sqlite db you can have trivial backups

asciilifeform when 1st tuned in, eschewed dbism, spat. today has shelf of dead tree even on subj. and in fact ate most of it.

asciilifeform: after phuctor, where dataset is 100+GB , puzzlers like log search felt comparatively painless

asciilifeform looks sadly at his O(1) indexer for bitcoin , which could be driven into battlefield if only found fix for that gnat bugola

snsabot: Logged on 2018-10-25 22:14:23 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )

asciilifeform: ^ 1 example of db job where traditional sqlistic db (which presumes need for inexpensive mutability and complex queries) aint appropriate

asciilifeform: ^ was actually the 1st nontrivial proggy asciilifeform wrote in ada, just prior to picking up ffa

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930756 << ftr, right nao it loox like : pg_dump nsalog | gzip > /home/nsabot/log_db.gz; and on dulap , eats <8sec . ( getting the output to other boxes, however... )

asciilifeform: ( ~eating~ 1 of these, takes ~10min. cuz pg gotta regenerate the indices, naturally )

asciilifeform: afaik lobbes is the current champ in 'replicate asciilifeform's logger' , has working copy, and i expect will say moar later

mircea_popescu: in which i wonder whether BingoBoingo is actually named for the adriano celentano movie

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: smaller lighter thing.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, but I'lll have to watch the movie now

diana_coman: as I totally forgot: I confirm that diana_alt was indeed me talking in here and in #o.