tmsr - Log 2019-10-23

asciilifeform: ladies & gentlemen, please welcome back the designated ddos magnet, snsabot .

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 17:58:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ftr asciilifeform's next agenda item, after cost sheet , is to put the logger back into service. 'ddos magnet', get some genuine picture of what this pipe can stand.

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/margaret-cavendish-retard-of-newcastle-upon-tyne/ << Trilema -- Margaret Cavendish, Retard of Newcastle-upon-Tyne

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947571 <-- haven't been anywhere west of paris yet and of course would like to. I'm considering the possibility of spyked in cr 2020

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:38:08 mp_en_viaje: and since doing this, hey spyked ? you ever been across ocean ?

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947642 <-- eh, not that much work. it took me like a week, and all this proceeding from custom-baked lisp blog

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 12:13:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect to move entirely to mp's wp when i get to moving www finally. but atm hands quite full. ( it'll be somewhat tricky, will have to port the coad printer extension thing to it, and various other things i changed over 12yrs+ of my www)

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947307 <-- defo interested and my schedule is open for changes/amendments come november. I am currently working a full-time saeculum gig, so I wouldn't be able to take this as a full-time thing, but I could do this in small weekly/monthly pieces, as with previous published work. so if you think this works and I'm th

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 12:19:48 trinque: on that subj, if there's someone interested in paid work on deedbot, see me! I'm not very good at growing arms.

spyked: and regardless, I'd like to at the very least see the deedbot sources published, so lemme know if I can do anything to help in that direction

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947621 <-- from my (most likely naive, since I've got 0-experience on the business side of things) the concerns seems to be rather re. your expectations of staying afloat, i.e. sales, revenue, how many clients you expect to get in what timeframe and how that'll cover your expenses. there might be some of that info in the logz, but imho this is worth includi

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 11:13:46 asciilifeform: the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space.

spyked: also, I think this is useful as a feedback/reflective instrument. if you make expectation for next 3 months, then in 3 months you have something clear to eval, adjust etc. otherwise it's just ???

spyked: asciilifeform, btw, how much money+time did you invest in this so far? and how much of that went on e.g. iron? this kind of stuff is useful first and foremost for you to review, but e.g. if I decide to start something similar in bucharest 1yr from now, it'd be hugely useful as a comparison point

bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947746 << meanwhile figured out how to read from tty correctly, the updated number is 1.3%

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 22:42:23 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947723 << imo 3% is already exaggerate. i'd be thinking more like a half percent, ideally.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 16:28:01 bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes.

feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/vpl-v-patch-syncing-bug-fix << The Tar Pit -- v.pl V patch syncing bug fix

spyked: when I first looked into it, I found it a little odd myself, since it expects a particular URL structure, e.g. mp-wp/v/{patches,seals}. but then I got used to it and even adjusted my v mirror to match. afaik v.pl is the only vtron that comes with this functionality

diana_coman: spyked: I think it was initially tailor-made for trb really, hence the odd stuff.

deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947775 << i'ma do it whether takes little work or much, my wp is obsolete . suspected that 'much' simply because i have custom renderisms in mine, for the 'peh' examples.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 07:36:55 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947642 <-- eh, not that much work. it took me like a week, and all this proceeding from custom-baked lisp blog

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947781 << atm writing lengthy piece re subj (expecting to post fri/sat) and would rather not clutter the log w/ figures until then

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 07:54:52 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947621 <-- from my (most likely naive, since I've got 0-experience on the business side of things) the concerns seems to be rather re. your expectations of staying afloat, i.e. sales, revenue, how many clients you expect to get in what timeframe and how that'll cover your expenses. there might be some of that info in the logz, but imho this is worth includi

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 11:13:46 asciilifeform: the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947784 << will say this : several folx expressed interest. but presently i do not know if will have ~any~ takers: for instance mp & diana_coman have very specific reqs that i dunno if can in fact fill. they might have to make own, heavy-industrial hosting system. all depends there on outcome of the costs-draft-then-flame process. i do not want to somehow bamboozle folx into buying pr

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 07:55:54 spyked: also, I think this is useful as a feedback/reflective instrument. if you make expectation for next 3 months, then in 3 months you have something clear to eval, adjust etc. otherwise it's just ???

asciilifeform: spyked: the flip side of this, is that my rack is ~cheap~. so cheap that my ~post box~ at the post office costs almost half of it . its expense is somewhere b/w my water bill and mains current bill. i picked it up with the knowledge that if i am unable to make satisfactory arrangements to sell space in it to respectable folx, it can indefinitely serve as personal net hosting yacht for asciilifeform (who was paying through the nose fo

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947786 << there was a 295 (u.s. $) deposit at the colo house , but the rest ( will detail in new article ) -- went for iron . ( even if had no rack -- it's time to replenish my depleted stock of iron. )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 08:07:58 spyked: asciilifeform, btw, how much money+time did you invest in this so far? and how much of that went on e.g. iron? this kind of stuff is useful first and foremost for you to review, but e.g. if I decide to start something similar in bucharest 1yr from now, it'd be hugely useful as a comparison point

asciilifeform: in re time, most of it went into the 1st draft of costs article ; in the rack itself so far spent 3h (5 if including going there and back; 7 if including initial tour & haggle. )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947786 << i'd luvv to see an l1 rack in ro, spyked ! keep in mind tho that asciilifeform 'cheats', has long existing experience buying irons, automated filler for rk's, many yrs in salt mines where set up, maintained, racks of irons, networkisms.

asciilifeform: ( on costs piece however, spent no fewer than 11h! so asciilifeform is turtle. but sometimes turtle -- outruns achilles? maybe this will be the time? )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947792 << i also never used. in my eyes it smacked of 'svn', 'git', similar barbarisms; imho vpatches oughta be downloaded by hand, carefully, rather than to rely on mechanical 'load'em all' tricks.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 12:36:29 diana_coman: spyked: ha, that vpatch is interesting, I never really used the init part.

asciilifeform: fwiw a mp-wp extension that lets folx 'download these-here patches' imho may be useful. but really ought not to be ~in vtron~ .

asciilifeform: asciilifeform's orig. vtron did not make use of the net at all, runs a++ on boxes w/out nics, and imho this is Right Thing.

asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, asciilifeform's logz auto-syncer worx. will go in vpatch later.

snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-23 asciilifeform: guten tag diana_coman . you may have noticed, i put back the bot . it was synced with the new autosyncer that was to get deployed right before piz burned down. i'ma put it as vpatch, but prolly wont get chance this wk, hands full w/ 2nd draft of ispism.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:18:47 deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: iirc the point version your wp split from automattic shit-wp is very close to where mp-wp split from shit-wp.

diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes, he has *something*; it's still on the to-figure-out list just what and so on; I'll update if/when something useful but not earlier and there's still quite a lot to clarify there even before spending any time on any code.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i did not get chance to actually read any of it, and dun know when will, atm. comment strictly re interesting titles..

diana_coman: asciilifeform: probably for the best too! this is on *him* to spend more time on before it can be of any use (if it can be of any use), not on you; and pretty please, don't go "shiny!!" at it, it's not helping him either.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947756 << you've got your priorities fucked up, evidently enough, which was the original problem ; and while you've been making disingenuous claims throughout, your dedication is still to protecting statu quo.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 18:54:30 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re those '200 hrs' , if there are actually 200hr/mo required for any part of this, i'ma have to hire ( BingoBoingo ?? ) an assistant. i dun have 200h/mo hidden up sleeve.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:02:14 mp_en_viaje: <mp_en_viaje> no, i'm not interested in sending you a harddrive so maybe you'll do something whatever in your garage.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:21:18 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: propaganda/l2 growth is ~the~ project. and req's asciilifeform's 'weak arm' to properly exercise. which is 1 of the reasons i took up 'bake isp again'. but presently weak arm. intent is to use strong arm to build exercise machine for weak, among other.

mp_en_viaje: those 200 hours / month come before the 30 or w/e you expend in the eating of food.

mp_en_viaje: ~this~ is the discriminant ; it's not a matter of how great you can do at the hobby of this, when "real life" permits. it's not how impressive, or above-others, or anything else your amateur effort might come to be.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:18:47 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is this actual q, or simply constructed to give asciilifeform a banana to slip on ?

mp_en_viaje: for as long as your mentality stays "amateur dabbler in tmsr", i stay uninterested.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: uninterested -- then uninterested. and i'd rather find out nao, than later, so ty. i dun have the capital to spend fulltime, and find it odd that mp_en_viaje only nao realized this.

asciilifeform: when , incidentally, will set the bozo bit on all the other useless dabblers ? throw out , for consistency, 'v', deedbot, auctionbot, all sewed by also folx who work for a living and managed to steal some time in which to do sumthing useful.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 21:06:21 mp_en_viaje: and i do not say this idly ; i have made my own experiments as well as seen others', very EXPENSIVE, experiments in the same vein all over the world. people regularly sink billion+ in "tech incubator" producing nothing comparable.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947757 << quit squirming and making up bullshit. i don't need even the one full time guy ; YOU do.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 19:01:43 asciilifeform: and incidentally, if asciilifeform cannot actually supply the service mp_en_viaje needs (e.g. if he needs a 24/7 staff of 4 working in shifts ) would rather know about it sooner than later.

mp_en_viaje: looky, you were a beardless 20yo at some point, but that's normal in boys. meanwhile you've made 30, and that's iffy. soon you'll be 40, just as boyish faced, and bitter-er for having watched all the others grow beards betimes all around.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 21:05:03 asciilifeform: ( recently, asciilifeform's brother : 'know what, mr p could design an os; you can't' a: 'why's that' b: 'he has the beard' )

mp_en_viaje: you have the great advantage of being able to "sprint" more than most, and do a lot of the homework "without even trying". but this is also readily a disadvantage.

asciilifeform actually had > beard in 20 than nao but dun want to ruin mp_en_viaje's flamemetaphor

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947779 << this might even make the first time anyone was hired to do lisp work in like... fifty years.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 04:47:13 spyked: e right man for zee job, let's discuss a timeline.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in reality i dun think ever had this experience of 'do w/out trying', i suspect mp_en_viaje is drawing from own biography. asciilifeform was not 'child prodigy' and never had this .

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947788 << a there you go. now within what my notes claimed. still would like to minify it, but at least you know, livable.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 05:20:05 bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947746 << meanwhile figured out how to read from tty correctly, the updated number is 1.3%

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 22:42:23 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947723 << imo 3% is already exaggerate. i'd be thinking more like a half percent, ideally.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947796 << while all the other chicks from her hometown were busy mommyblogging... diana_coman 's been... doing other things, check her out lol.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 10:22:51 deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 10:56:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947781 << atm writing lengthy piece re subj (expecting to post fri/sat) and would rather not clutter the log w/ figures until then

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 11:13:46 asciilifeform: the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space.

asciilifeform: why ty mp_en_viaje . ( i appreciate the tutoring even if mp_en_viaje dun want to subscribe )

mp_en_viaje: now do me a favour and don't turn into the bush that grew up fast in the clearing, but for being just a sad sorry bush found itself soon enough overtaken by the actual trees.

mp_en_viaje: life forms have no option re their genetics ; but man has all the option conceivable re the makeup of its mind. can use any dna just as well as any other, not stuck with the parents' like in the other case.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947816 << well, in practice vtron will come bundled with toolkit, what can do.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 11:18:46 asciilifeform: fwiw a mp-wp extension that lets folx 'download these-here patches' imho may be useful. but really ought not to be ~in vtron~ .

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:48:47 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: uninterested -- then uninterested. and i'd rather find out nao, than later, so ty. i dun have the capital to spend fulltime, and find it odd that mp_en_viaje only nao realized this.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:31:11 mp_en_viaje: as i was saying earlier in the proceedings, nsa could very well support this effort ; but it has to be fucking serious not penny ante flavour-of-the-week amateur show.

asciilifeform: can i persuade mp_en_viaje to take a (pro bono!) bouncer rk in asciilifeformstein ?

asciilifeform so far saw a few udp farts on the line but nuffin that detectably affected bot

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: meanwhile does mp_en_viaje believe in bouncers ? could have 1 within 3h if you want.

asciilifeform: i'd have already smashed my desk if i had to live with irc conn like mp_en_viaje's

mp_en_viaje: i honestly dun thinj ddos ; seems just shitty czech internets this time ; but sure, by all means, set it up ima try it out!

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to gpg ssh key you want to use (or otherwise i'ma gen random pw and gpg to mp_en_viaje , and he can put in at leisure )

asciilifeform: for mp_en_viaja, i have the choice of 1) standard rk, cum znc 2) apu1 w/ 1gb samsung ssd, cum znc, and in fact prepared trb on it also.

asciilifeform: i'ma set up both, in case takes him a while to beat modem into submission an' answer...

asciilifeform: oook no answer, fella's getting the spiffier box! (can downsize later if wants.)

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Holding company shennanigans, these folks failed to put Latecho out of business 4 years ago.

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/prague-comes-for-you-all/ << Trilema -- Prague comes for you all!

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i honestly dun see any ddos as such. i suspect it's interplay of friable freenode with shitty czech tubes.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: prepared, however, box, if still interested. runs trb and znc ( the latter w/ default config, presently logs into fleanode as 'pilotplant' and joins #a , can fill in yerself or switch off by removing the crontab ) on boot.

deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/208FE107E970F53262C4951232992F13CFA6CD06.asc

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: item is general-purpose pilot box, plz feel free to mutilate any way you like. the trb is a copy of 'zoolag', can replace w/ own favourite build, or switch off, etc. there is a nearly full chain. znc is set to smoketest knobs, if using , must reconfig.

asciilifeform: the os is the current draft of 'asciilifeform-dulap' as earlier provided to diana_coman .

mp_en_viaje: anyway, amusingly the momment in logged into the thing the interface collapsed.

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i really dun have the timeslot here to much fuck with rando systems, diddle configs, set up whatevers.

mp_en_viaje: i'm not against zncing through your own machine so you can piggy-back test on what you suppose is ddos (but isn't) ; but the utility to me just about zilch -- for one thing if czech tubes take a break, i'll lose the znc connection just as well as i lose the direct. i suppose it'd save on revoicing, but honestly i have that setup to be entirely painless as it is, 1s op.

mp_en_viaje: so the only way this can happen is if it can happen with a coupla edits, five minutes sorta thing.

mp_en_viaje: (i do note that your 400byte letter omitted the string 65:75:33:c8:8d:95:9f:78:75:0e:06:d3:50:cd:21:71 or anything like it, which is plain silly ; but anyways. srsly now folks, do insert the fps, it hurts nothing aite)

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: very good pt re fp! i'ma put it in the standard preflight checklist.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it.

snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 21h 15m

BingoBoingo: There is the very live possibility after today's meeting that the internet weather had nothing to do with us as a primary target.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc the earlier dpb ddos was genuine. oughta have properly turned on the heat then, thinking about it.

feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/10/23/notes-from-the-second-meeting-with-counsel-or-what-i-have-come-to-expect-from-urugauyos-in-offices/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Notes From The Second Meeting With Counsel Or What I Have Come To Expect From Urugauyos In Offices

BingoBoingo: ^ asciilifeform mod6 et al. Note screw has been now been turned using lawyer interviewed Monday.