tmsr - Log 2018-12-07

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-06#1878769 << lemme know if any issues ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-06 20:52 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-november-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), November 2018 Statement

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read 2h ago, loox proper ( could like 'chapters' to the concretes in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877961 , but not essential ) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: aite.

asciilifeform: meanwhile in ch.14 sneak peeks, modex(2048bit) : 0.296s , 4096bit : 1.786s , 8192bit : 10.766s . ☟︎

mircea_popescu: not even terrible.

mircea_popescu: aha.

asciilifeform: the bad noose is that this was the last order-of-magnitude speedup up asciilifeform's sleeve

asciilifeform: errything after, will be linear (e.g. asm mul, in the end, unrolled comba, etc)

mircea_popescu: yeah, but by now it's in livable range.

mircea_popescu: besides, halves every 18 months rite.

asciilifeform: where's livable and where -- not, will depend on application.

asciilifeform: for mircea_popescu's in particular, if you shorten the pubexp , you speed up (encipherment strictly) by b/exp, where b is bitness and exp is max len of your exp, times.

asciilifeform: e.g. for mircea_popescu's euloratron, his exp is 64bits, and his pubkeys iirc round to 4096b, so that'll be a 0.028s encipherment.

asciilifeform: for ~decipherment~ if one were to use crt, that'd be a 2 * 0.296 = 0.592s .

mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 1872/2048 * 0.296

asciilifeform: ( granted, this figure does not include hashism, but hashism is a O(N) op )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, 1872 bit keys iirc.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah so take the 2048 figure as base then

asciilifeform: then will be 0.296 * ( 64 / 2048 ) = ~0.009 encrypt , and as for decrypts with crt,

mircea_popescu: yeah, not bad.

asciilifeform: 1024b (full width) currently 0.295s (exercise for reader -- why almost same as 2048?)

asciilifeform: so given that factors of a 1872b key fit in 1024b ea., double of above will be your encrypt, approx, time.

asciilifeform: i.e. ~same as if you had 4096b keys (i.e. 2048b p and q)

asciilifeform: all of these figs strictly concerning ch14, with no other optimiz.

asciilifeform: ( and performed, as ch1-13 were, on asciilifeform's quite aged opteron, ~2009 )

asciilifeform: on, e.g., 64bit 'i7', goes roughly 2x of this speed.

asciilifeform: ( if one is ready to jump with the parachute, and switch off boundary tests, that gives you another 2x )

asciilifeform: koch loses surprising amt of cycles to variablewidthisms/heapism.

asciilifeform: ( for n00bz, will point out -- if one is satisfied with the correctness of the algos, the bound tests dun do anyffing useful )

asciilifeform: perhaps after coupla yrs of quality folx reading the thing, and live fire in battlefield, some folx will dare to switch'em off.

mircea_popescu: in other news, i've made such chicken shorba a la grec as was never seen in the new world. off to partake.

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BingoBoingo: Brb, going to invade a once outlaw culture and see if there is still any rebellion there or if it all got taken over by pussies

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878888 <<-->> http://trilema.com/2015/a-blast-from-the-past-or-the-molotov-cocktail-guide-this-is-how-you-win/#selection-361.0-361.65 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: white bois gotta fucking learn already. kill the cops, until there's no pantsuit left willing to larp. do not "peaceful" hurr durr, that does 0.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo qntra got its own bot nao too ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you like new heads pasted in for each appearance ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: speaking of which : it was fucking amusing to discover that in nicole's generation, "a meme, pl memes" denotes simply... a captioned image. 0 awareness of the entire ~implication~ of social influence and narrative dominance for which the thing was so pompously named by the "words are magic"/"law of hopetraction" crowd.

mircea_popescu: it simply got clipped!

mircea_popescu: i suspect by the same methodology "women's rights" will be a byword for bdsm and "#metoo" another way to say "idiot" in another decade. god knows "you guys are POWER RANGERS!!!" reddit gushing went exactly that way.

mircea_popescu: btw, BingoBoingo do you happen to have anywhere saved the original reddit "you guys are power rangers!!!" idiocy ? iirc was during hearn's wrecking fork.

mircea_popescu: heya.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878892 <-- apologies for the downtime. fleanode finally decided to sabotage all my connections while I wasn't looking ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-07 14:21 BingoBoingo: Feedbot appears down atm

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878441 <-- sure thing! send me a list of feeds you want delivered (if a lot of them) and I'll have it join #eulora when you think it's appropriate (can sync up on that, e.g. tomorrow?) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 03:55 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878419 << roger that. spyked: if you're cool with taking over #eulora rss let me know and we can work out a transition

mircea_popescu: keks

spyked: lobbes, if there aren't more than a couple of feeds, I could also have it join #eulora and you can !1 subscribe feed at your convenience. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-07 15:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you like new heads pasted in for each appearance ?

mats: mircea_popescu: whats the purpose of styrofoam in the cocktail?

asciilifeform: mats: what i dunget is why mircea_popescu specified ~plastic~ bottles, these won't break and will harmlessly roll off tank

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mircea_popescu: heya!

mircea_popescu: mats plastifying agent, basically.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they ~melt~.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what good does it do if it melts on the ground after rolling off the target ?

mircea_popescu: do the experiment at home, if you will, count the seconds between lighting "fuse" and item turning into flaming puddle.

mircea_popescu: ~same as grenade, as specified.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you throw it correctly. "what good is fused grenade ?!?!?" "you learn how to use it"

asciilifeform: glass makes for cheap 'impact fuse' tho, hence why still popular even tho plastic bottles are errywhere

mircea_popescu: it is inferior in this application, if apparently counterintuitively so.

mircea_popescu: doesn't always break, splatters rather than splashes, and so on.

asciilifeform: ( as for frags, even industrially produced item suffers from 'if fuse is long enuff never to run out in yer hand, enemy can throw back' headache )

mircea_popescu: nobody's throwing back flaming plastic bottle, that's for damn sure.

mircea_popescu: anyway, cheapness and accessibility are the overwhelming considerations. the half liter and 1 liter plastic bottles more ubiquitous than "human rights"

mircea_popescu: but yes, http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/antifa.gif is the image of the revolution.

mircea_popescu: and quite specifically because, "kill the cops, until there's no pantsuit left willing to larp".

mircea_popescu: revolution wins through that specific attrition, and in no other manner.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which historic revolution actually fits the 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' model ? erry one i can think of had some participation of regular army with flipped sign bit

mircea_popescu: it's the modern version of "breaking the will to larp". but consider the case of the old pretender : for 50 fucking years, the (orange) revolution was stuck killing the wanna-be-cop catholic larpers.

mircea_popescu: (James Francis Edward Stuart, tryna be James III)

mircea_popescu: if you take a narrow "history started in 1993" view, you can arrive at this "army" notion. but the actual equation underlying that ~as well as any other~ applications, is 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'

asciilifeform: sure, and 1917 kept killing pretenders, and just about erry other example. but not with crowd hands.

mircea_popescu: consider how the mexican cartel revolution in texas worked out.

mircea_popescu: "oh, wikipedia doesn't recognize those events as such". hurr.

mircea_popescu: depends on what you mean by "crowd". by tsarist books on "what's a crowd", lenin eminently crowd.

asciilifeform: lenin + 2e6 folx coming back armed an' pissed from ww1

mircea_popescu: every once in a while some rando fucktard straggles in here, "oh, you people aren't the world's only sovereign".

mircea_popescu: lumea s-a schimbat.

mircea_popescu: doesn't take nearly as much to topple a tower of shit as a roman arch.

asciilifeform: if contention is 'tower of shit, takes a few brick' -- i'll buy

asciilifeform: point was, i dunno of any direct parallels in recent white man's hist

mircea_popescu: what's wrong with yasser arafat ? semites not white ? how about ira ?

asciilifeform: ( will observe that it seems to take moar bricks/molotovs than the 'dindus' of bmore are able to muster, to date, they 'revolution' ~yearly but it ain't detectable at all from 100km with naked eye )

mircea_popescu: how about corsican independence, how about kosovo independence, how abotu what have you ?

mircea_popescu: because they insist on being led by niggers.

mircea_popescu: something along the http://trilema.com/2010/general-sir-charles-james-napier-gcb/#selection-43.0-43.123 problem.

asciilifeform: arafat's folx ditto, still living in concentration camps

mircea_popescu: well, i suspect the problem here is that you use a yet-unwritten history book.

asciilifeform: possibly unwritten at least partly cuz not actually happened yet

asciilifeform: 'kosovo independence' another mega-lol, product of nato bombers

asciilifeform: kosovo is simply condom clinton wore when he waltzed serbia in erry hole

asciilifeform: even ro '89 'revolution', which i suspect is mircea_popescu's basic model, dun quite fit pattern : old regime croaked precisely when regular army turned on securitate. ( and yet somehow even after this, iliescu -- communist -- ended up on throne )

asciilifeform: ( iirc mircea_popescu actually had a piece re subj, where not only about iliescu, but where all the new managerial class was also ex-party, because nobody else adequately literate, or how did it go )

mircea_popescu: you know, that suspicion is somewhat on the level of "i suspect surgeon likes knives. because surgeon, geddit ???".

mircea_popescu: but anyway -- events can always be reinterpreted through a glass so strange nothing is left standing. i dunno that any argument can be brought to the level of broken lens.

asciilifeform: i'd like to borrow the lens through which mircea_popescu saw his model, but i suspect it dun work with earthling eye.

mircea_popescu: there's no speciffic reason clinton wanted or needed kosovo for. the item existed on the ground.

asciilifeform: iirc the serbs were doing an a++ job of bugspraying it, until intervention

mircea_popescu: the elements of that specific conflict were separately, the croats, the bosniaks, the serbs, kosovo, and the albanians. and, i suppose, to be exhaustive, the gypsies.

mircea_popescu: now then : the serbs decided to produce a national state out of old yugo, through the process of cleansing a portion of ye olde yugo of everyone else and adding it to serbia.

mircea_popescu: this worked splendidly well, and through the exact process described : they started shooting the "cop" larpers until no one wanted to larp anymore.

mircea_popescu: similarily, the palestine situation. you wanna read it in a batshit insane manner, but the truth is that in the 30s-50s there was ~no reason~ for there to be a palestine. and yet, another 50ish years later, the us recognized such a state.

asciilifeform: palestine winners not called yet, arguably, so i'ma leave'em alone; but what am i missing re serbs ? cuz iirc the 'larpers' won in the end

mircea_popescu: leaving aside the cases where "army -- shot the would-be cops", from odessa to what have you, 2016 turkey, the point remains : shooting the larping pantsuit until no pantsuit left willing to larp is the only way.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "in the end" argument is about as boneheaded as "according to my painted-over skymask, the sky is maroon in color".

mircea_popescu: in the end, kelvin won.

asciilifeform: so contention is 'serbia not under pantsuit yoke' ? somehow ? or 'serbia will rise again?' or which is it

mircea_popescu: contention is, "the only way through which revolution ~ever~ wins, is 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'".

mircea_popescu: this says nothing of "in the end". that's nonsense, you've not yet done anything or not done anything that lives to this "in the end" stgandard.

mircea_popescu: "in the end" ffa is a piece of shit, because events from star date 78987.4

mircea_popescu: so then. "the only way to have medicine is by washing hands" "in the end, corpse anyway"

mircea_popescu: duh. that doesn't invalidate hygiene.

asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu was going for a historically, rather than philosophically, supported statement. ( i dun even disagree, as such, 1917 was over in ~1926 when ~100% opposition was dead/emigrated . but wasn't pushed out by bottle-throwers, no. )

asciilifeform: afaik last time 'amateurs' actually gave regular army a run for its money, was muentzer. ( and even there, debatable, had 'pro' leadership ; so possibly actual last time was... spartacus ? )

mircea_popescu: well i mean, what is the diff between historic and philosophic you propose here ?

mircea_popescu: it's a historical fact, the only way for a revolution to win is for the wanna-be pantsuit cop larpers being killed, in such numbers as not to leave any behind.

mircea_popescu: this is true universally, whether that number turns out to be half a million or half a unit.

mircea_popescu: and it is also supported historically, in ALL cases. both ALL cases during our lifetimes and ALL cases during every other generation's lifetime.

asciilifeform: ( seems like trivial fact, i can't possibly dispute it )

mircea_popescu: taking individual such examples and declaring "i interpret ~this~ particuylar case of 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' as somethingentirely else!!!" isn't gonna do much.

mircea_popescu: the whole point is, "looky here good fellows, the similarity between pharoh tuth's death and granma ilsa's death down the street and every other smallpox death is -- variola virus!!"

mircea_popescu: coming back with a "oh, but people died of rock crushing in ancient egypt more than now" is a very weird approach.

asciilifeform: what i dun know of is any examples where the killin' wasn't done largely by orig regime's nominal armies with flipped sign bit.

mircea_popescu: there is no such thing! think for a second : "i don't know of a case of a star created out of either foreign material or accreted local material"

mircea_popescu: holy shit man, star is made out of H. that's what H is, starmaker.

mircea_popescu: yes, the MEN THERE PRESENT will do the killing.

mircea_popescu: who the fuck else ?!

mircea_popescu: "oh, but briefly previously this very same H was labeled ''planet x''." so what the fuck ?

asciilifeform: i suppose if next week -- fr revolution, macron guillotined, nato expelled, etc -- i'ma have to eat hat

mircea_popescu: in the specific case of weimar, it was sailors, specifically kiel sailors. ie, "not army". and so on, whoever it will have been it'll always have been the men present.

asciilifeform: whoknows, maybe 5 d00dz with molotovs > regular fr army, at this pt

mircea_popescu: experimentally, dozen doods with box cutters > usg "intelligence ocmmunity", two decades ago.

asciilifeform: aha, or the serb baker with old s-100 vs reagan's $1b flying brick

mircea_popescu: experimentally also, few k goatfuckers with kalash > nato army, decade ago.

mircea_popescu: not a matter of "does happen". a matter of "strictly nothiong else happens".

mircea_popescu: or what, magically "palestine never turned tide" and ALSO "never heard of this afghanistan place-where-empires-go-to-die" simultaneously now !?

asciilifeform: german algo ('if it moves, shoot it') would've 'solved' afghan.

mircea_popescu: right. because, again, 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'.

mircea_popescu: and "why not applied" never separate or separable question. always delivered in a package with all other answers : "because there wasn't who".

asciilifeform: upstack, why is it that 'kiel sailors' != 'army' ? or on mircea_popescu's planet 'army' specifically means infantry ? ( on mine, it's broad brush for errybody who subject to mil discipline, uniform, under command of the nominal crown )

mircea_popescu: yes, traditionally in english "the army" means the army, as opposed to navy, airforce or marines etc.

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: potemkin!

asciilifeform sings, 'что тебе снится, крейсер аврора...'

mircea_popescu: Князь Потёмкин Таврический, you know, the silent film.