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asciilifeform: http://man.openbsd.org/ldattach.8 << try re flowcontrol on bsd
mod6: so back to the bsd-side-quest.... i built `coreutils 8.21' on my openbsd box. now have `gdd` on there. which has a 'fullblock' iflag.
mod6: i went back to my linux output entropy files to see about the 'ff fd' thing; I'm really jammed up on openbsd. and that's a different side-quest we can discuss later. but now i'm wondering about the flow-control/output from collections done on linux
mod6: I haven't gotten openbsd to do quite what I want yet, even with the -crtscts flag set for stty.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 15:19 mod6: with OpenBSD, looks like I'll need to try (via http://man.openbsd.org/stty.1) '-crtscts'
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663190 << ah. good find. that's almost certainly the culprit on openbsd. but god help anyone try to find ~only one~ such snag on the flaming shitpit that is macosx. *spits*. stty dun even pretend to work in 'terminal' because it doesn't talk to serial devices. at all. no luck yet with coolterm, quickterm, etc. either. they just... freeze. ☝︎
asciilifeform does not know, because his only openbsd box has a couplea cm of dust on it, and also lacks usb ports
mod6: with OpenBSD, looks like I'll need to try (via http://man.openbsd.org/stty.1) '-crtscts' ☟︎
mod6: i was actually reading through `dd` (openbsd) impl yesterday.. -.-
mod6: asciilifeform: yup. just, openbsd with the config I was talking about yesterday didn't hit that. im sure it's just something on the openbsd side, ie. my configuration.
mod6: ALSO, forgot to mention, that openbsd `dd` doesn't have a 'fullblock' iflag or whatever, so that needs to be looked at a bit too
pete_dushenski: on macppc openbsd 6,1 using stty. and maybe i will check my wiring!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 04:38 pete_dushenski: mod6: openbsd commands worked! thx muchly. though i'm still getting crazy low bitrates with fg. consistently under 1000b/sec and some runs as low as 100b/sec.
pete_dushenski: mod6: openbsd commands worked! thx muchly. though i'm still getting crazy low bitrates with fg. consistently under 1000b/sec and some runs as low as 100b/sec. ☟︎
mod6: anyway, incase anyone cares, on openbsd once I connect my FG via USB-TTL, i was able to use device 'cuaU0' to read from the FG:
shinohai: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20170503203426&mode=expanded <<< for OpenBSD aficionados
mod6: and do that like on a bunch of different environments; gentoo, ubuntu 12/14/16, freebsd recent, openbsd (old?) and recent, deb 7 & 8, osx whatever versions
asciilifeform: looks like mircea_popescu was quite right to tune out openbsd when he had.
phf: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=149232307018311&w=2
phf: but what i was actually going to say, is that openbsd disks apparently weren't pressed. it seems like theo de raadt has been burning them by hand up until now
mod6: i may give some other boxen a try here at some point too. got a handfull of gentoo boxes, freebsd, openbsd, etc.
mod6: danielpbarron: hey, did you ever figure out whatever with your openbsd deed you were trying to do?
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/07/installing-openbsd-on-macppc/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Installing OpenBSD on MacPPC
danielpbarron: on a related note, which openbsd cds are specifically wanted? i did 5.5 cd1 because i have that pack opened already, and because the more useful cd2 (containing amd64) got damaged when i tried to remove it from one of my iMac G3s that wouldn't spit it back out (it also has ppc -- probably the arch of interest)
asciilifeform: 'Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!' -- openbsd www. lulzy.
danielpbarron: says openbsd in a "jesus fish" that's redesigned to look like a rocket
phf: i was about to refresh my openbsd version and discovered that openbsd no longer make/sell a 3-cd set. end of an era
phf: i've been browsing the web using dillo/netserf from openbsd box and realized just how broken it become compared to even 5 years ago. only places that you can still render on old browser are the backalleys. uncle al style homepages, tmsr, *chans
trinque: we discussed this for trb openbsd patches
phf: it's the same with openbsd's ports, netbsd pkgsrc, mac's homebrew, etc.
trinque: https://www.openbsd.org/plus60.html << "On macppc, hook up smu(4/macppc) to the thermal management framework."
trinque: doppler: http://man.openbsd.org/smu.4 << patch regarded this
danielpbarron: i also got OpenBSD on iMac G3 and G5 but they aren't as nice. the G3 i gave up before getting a windows manager, and the G5 has too-new hardware that assumes you run OSX or whatever, the most annoying of which being the fan that defaults to full-throttle unless told to slow down
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635614 << yep. I put OpenBSD ~5.6 on a iMac G4 (the one that looks like a pixar lamp-creature) ; very nice machine despite how slow it is and how there doesn't seem to be any support for the platform anymore. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i could use a usable openbsd box, for instance.
asciilifeform: microshit's sponsorship did not ~immediately~ turn openbsd to liquishit, but it is foolish to expect that it can withstand infinitely many years of it with 0 symptoms
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:40 trinque: I'm clutching to hand-compiled driftwood on openbsd
nacci: i've taken an interest in openbsd on powerpc and found there are folks here doing just that
asciilifeform: and i thought my openbsd 'libretto' that loses its x11 frame buffer was rotten
phf: i just opened an openbsd laptop a second ago and it greeted me with ddb (kernel debugger on panic)
asciilifeform: from what phf has described ( and from my own experiments ) it is not clear to me that openbsd is salvageable .
asciilifeform: phf: does static linking work on openbsd ?
phf: if you're going to try crosscompiling things from one openbsd machine to your older ppc boxes make sure you have the right os versions set. the abi changes, and that bit me a few times
ben_vulpes: openbsd settles quite nicely onto old macs
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633392 << wd eh! my new firewire cable just arrived so my openbsd quest can resume once more. fingers crossed. ☝︎
phf: i'm trying to figure out why genera's x client is crashing openbsd x server. but once i do i'll try the chip
asciilifeform still has a 'libretto' with openbsd
phf: i ended up running openbsd on that box
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i've spent the last couple evenings since ppc thread re-emerged trying to run openbsd 6 on macppc. can't get the bloody machine to recognise cdrom OR usb. open firmware, boot screen, etc nada zilch zip.
trinque: ben_vulpes: https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/macppc/INSTALL.macppc << I want to say the device comes up as "ud" for USB... sometimes
trinque: they run openbsd great
trinque: ben_vulpes: openbsd's package for the thing is neutered to use the system
phf: for every theo de raadt where you could argue some kind of "openbsd vs tmsr", there's thousands of potentially useful folks who waste their time with "job" and "side projects", that never amount to anything
trinque: and in fact, meanwhile found that it was my own build environment hauling in libressl on openbsd
ben_vulpes: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-announce&m=148839684520133&w=2
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> make macs great again <+ben_vulpes> install openbsd on them << :D
ben_vulpes: install openbsd on them
trinque: asciilifeform: consider our conversation about the openbsd patches in another castle
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack, linux as we have it now is a direly and fatally centralized, in the worst possible sense, item: to the extent it runs on in-production iron at all, it is because some stingy but present support exists from the vendors, and from the megaconglomerates (rathead et al). if withdrawn, linux turns into openbsd overnight.
trinque: point being it may not be unreasonable system tuning work to modify the build process of packages; what openbsd has is quite close to having portage feature parity
trinque: it didn't take me longer than 5min to copy the openbsd emacs makefile and remove everything I didn't want
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit my actual complaint re openbsd -- if i want emacs but NOT dbus, i am reduced to, more or less, 'make own unix', rather than using openbsd as such.
trinque: I have still on my disk a semi-working portage on openbsd
asciilifeform: i soured almost totally on openbsd when i labouriously set up a box, with all of the proggies i rely on for daily use, and found that emacs COULD NOT be de-poetteringized without eschewing the ports system entirely
mircea_popescu: i've not really been following openbsd.
asciilifeform: (rather like what happened to openbsd -- d00d gets tired, 'eager young thing' steps up)
phf: windows for a longest time had a very stable abi, as per "you can run windows 95 programs still!1", where's i suspect mac os x probably doesn't. it's the same problem on openbsd, sure you can static link, but you will have to recompile after the next release.
BingoBoingo: One could say same about OpenBSD except their mp (Theo) was and stayed poor and stooges (Bob Beck) rallied to gatekeeper and treasury positions
mircea_popescu: it is of the same type as the openbsd compiling for vaxen
Framedragger: certainly noted! assumed as much :) includes increased pessimism for funding OS projects (such as openbsd) etc i guess...
davout: i remember the openbsd thing but not the blender one
mircea_popescu: other than the openbsd turpitude you may recall the blender idiocy etc.
trinque: asciilifeform: I moved portage over to openbsd (which had been done once before by another) only to decide the thing had gotten far too complicated.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 02:13 danielpbarron: come to think of it, that probablem happened with openbsd on a powerpc using firefox
danielpbarron: come to think of it, that probablem happened with openbsd on a powerpc using firefox ☟︎
phf: it's a glibc2 variant, i wonder what openbsd does..
phf: asciilifeform: that's a good question, i haven't isolated the bug, but i'm pretty sure on openbsd crashes instantaneously. note that c++ threads are involved, so perhaps they try to initialize things even before you start using them?
phf: researching the problem i came across a lot of "my static linked openbsd program just crashes! ... ... -lpthread ... ...", but also a handful of linux ones
asciilifeform blows dust off openbsd 'libretto'
asciilifeform: phf: lemme get this straight, ~all~ pthread proggies hosed on openbsd?!
phf: i think it only manifests on openbsd
asciilifeform: is openbsd in fact 'drepperized' after all ?
asciilifeform: 'of note, previously static compilation on OpenBSD resulted in segmentation fault. this is due to libpthread not being fully linked into the final static binary...' << what did this dig lead to , phf ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575340 << buildroot exclusively generates linux binaries, so any bsd build has to be done manually. but fwiw my openbsd patch still works and still produces a working trb ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/bin/cat/cat.c?rev=1.26&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup << what an abortion !
trinque: http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/bin/cat/cat.c
BingoBoingo: So a venture called "Smartisan" was this year's late donor "saving" Openbsd
trinque: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: neat, so the pill has worked on alf-linux, os x, and openbsd at this point?
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'd rather freeze an openbsd and steal portage from gentoo
trinque: on openbsd for example, /usr contains things shipped with the release. anything installed from ports is in /usr/local .
trinque: newer gdb worked great. I'll now write up my notes, did all this from openbsd.
trinque: asciilifeform: "cu" on openbsd seems pretty minimalistic, dunno if it meets your requirements.
trinque: openbsd has a proper static file dev
mircea_popescu: what does openbsd future look without you know, "that guy who didn't save it before microsoft" ?
asciilifeform unfamiliar with disk crypto on openbsd
trinque: I went to mount an encrypted openbsd drive on a different (same endian) arch
phf: BingoBoingo: are you running the openbsd patch?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Restart every few weeks to back up blockchain. Is not trb, but other on Openbsd with trb shit bolted onto sides
phf: there was some old obscure reason why we ditched openbsd. i think it was driver support on that backup gardget
asciilifeform: hoose to use corporate-maintained tools like OpenSSL, which are deeply compromised. Do you think the people responsible for HeartBleed were held accountable, and fundamental changes were made? Guess again. It’s simply ignored by most of Linux. (You’ll notice real UNIXes like OpenBSD did not ignore it and have begun serious changes. Yet even there, it took such a serious, obvious exploit for them to see the engineering problem.)'