shinohai: I still have nfi why it isn't sending you a gpgram on Sundays I think not enough lines yet to trigger it
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 06:16 mircea_popescu: and it loosened her calculi.
pete_dushenski: and you thought the internet would kill the need for air travel. ha!
BingoBoingo wouldn't be caught anywhere near appliances
BingoBoingo: Perfectly good appliances can be had from metal dealer
BingoBoingo: "The question came up after Donald Trump’s recent appearance on The Dr. Oz Show, in which it was revealed his weight and height—if his numbers are to be believed, his BMI is 30.3, which qualifies as obese." << OMG The trumpenfuher is an Obeast!
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: your node still running with an extraordinary number of connections?
trinque: ben_vulpes: that block sexp is damned cool!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo kinda why "the butler did it" exists in the first place.
BingoBoingo: Or in the recent parisian invasion and gagging, it was done to the BUTTler.
ben_vulpes: if you use that sexpr for anything automatedly, keep in mind that i will be transforming the list of transactions into an alist keyed on tx hash (aka id) once i get the db in place
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo butter lol. is it true btw she got ugly recently ?
BingoBoingo: As is the way of her people after having baby she got round in less desirable places.
BingoBoingo: Her current bodyshape is rather similar to Hillary's. The political implications of this are unclear
BingoBoingo: Now imagine the view being marred by a midsection "tire"
BingoBoingo breaking in new gloves by typing with them on
shinohai goes back to looking at Kim's ass
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: ayup. 68 connex when i last checked a few hours ago. yours too ?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: jews must be in season. high holidays and all that.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AHA, I've been looking into how to cover.
BingoBoingo: I've also been looking into starting a Monsanto and marketing "Priviledge" as the banner product.
pete_dushenski is trying new synagogue this year for first time ever. had to make move because rabbi > congregation, just as king > kommoonitee, and old joint lost rabbi because small-time.
pete_dushenski: though options are awfully limited for man with goy fambly!
BingoBoingo: Naturally "Priviledge" (TM)(R) is for oppressing west african warm season grasses in superior turf
ben_vulpes: how do goyim rels figure into synagogue choice
trinque: The parties are engaged in pre-indictment discovery, and exploring the possibility of resolving this matter prior to presentation of the case to a grand jury. << sounds like "swear publically that you are not a Snowden" because that will do something.
trinque: they are screwed because they actually believe this concensus reality shit where "public opinion" matters and might be swayed by n+1 Snowdens.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: orthodox and chabad don't take kindly to 'mixed' couples, leaving reform and conservative (no reconstructionists in these orclands)
BingoBoingo: trinque: Nah, its the Ulbricht circle jerk again. Admit thing is yours to invoke privacy while admitting guilt
ben_vulpes: well yeah, but are there really that few conservative synagogues out there?
pete_dushenski: and since kid's gotta ~be~ something, and that something is a joo because there's no leg to stand on on the girl's side. and 'round here there's ~exactly~ one congregation of each sect. one.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 17:48 PeterL: I guess I deserve it for going to junk-food (heavy on the junk) places
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 20:06 shinohai: !~bible 2 Peter 2:22
pete_dushenski: is anyone else impressed by shinohai's biblical callback memory ?
trinque: bible did "the pig likes it" first eh? how bout that.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ANy progress with your mulch guys and their landscaping business? Or did it fodl after you gave them their first job.
pete_dushenski: mulch guys are still ready and willing but my properties have exceedingly little streetscape so i only need them once or twice a year
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: for the naive, what means "invoke privacy" ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You know the whole warrants vs parrallel construction charade
BingoBoingo: Maybe you should convert that termite bait into turf?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: termites ? this is ~siberia. what termites. there aren't even (offically) rats. lynx is more frequently spotted.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's the principle of the thing. A lord in addition to the fief must have a small makework to demonstrate he has land he can afford neither to use for producing crops nor for composting woodchips upon.
pete_dushenski is very, very minor lord in meatspace, or any space for that matter
BingoBoingo: All the better reason to install artificially heated Zoysiagrass on your little bit of tundra
BingoBoingo: Or since canada you could have your typical lush fine fescues mowed to a height of 1.75cm
BingoBoingo: I mean you could take it down to 1.5cm or lower
BingoBoingo: Or bentgrass prolly would work. A putting green right outside the orfice!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> trinque: Nah, its the Ulbricht circle jerk again. Admit thing is yours to invoke privacy while admitting guilt << that was pretty ridoinculous, i recall. "you have a choice of self-incriminating through avenue a or b ; with a as the default if you pick nothing. what's your choice ? whadda ya mean this is nonsense, that's how we pick presidents also! GREAT DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF AFRICA!"
BingoBoingo: Maybe it gets a special roundup plus of its own once there's more noise to nooze up
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: more of a poa annua man myself. but anything's better than bluegrass, which has to be the single most bizarre and unkind species to ever afflict the genteel sport of golf.
pete_dushenski: hm. i meant bermuda didn't i. this is what happens when you semi-retire!
pete_dushenski: anyways, when putting on bermuda, you have to account for the direction... of the sun! it has the funkiest grain to it.
BingoBoingo: Also Poa Annua is a weed. Basically the winter version of crabgrass.
deedbot: oama voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller and how do you propose the buyer "not let the supplier leave" ? unequal relationship, the supplier is the supplier, the buyer can run the gamut from the lowest upwards, so.
shinohai: localbuttcoins is truly a convoluted way of obtaining btc
☟︎ deedbot: oama voiced for 30 minutes.
oama: still here mircea_popescu? you haven't convinced the argentinians to make you their dictator yet?
mircea_popescu: by a guy who "only has access to pc on weekend" ie, is 12 irl ?
shinohai: I should feed all dem keys into phuctor
oama: maybe that's why they all aim to have vaginas?
mircea_popescu: shinohai bet you we have them, but if you do - plox script for the love of all that's holy. bash-curl even.
mircea_popescu: in other "holy shit open source" news : to run a linux repo, you must provide... md5hashes for the stuff, because... apt-get wants it. fancy that. and by default you get that and sha1. because it's fucking 1995 and there's a thousand fly eyes!
PeterL: do we need to make a republican version of apt-get now?
mircea_popescu: also in lulz, red hat does not package rhash. at all. you want keccak on your system, use the buggy openssh implementation!
mircea_popescu: yes. because this is why fucking weimer exists, so anything you need you build from source. then PeterL can wonder if "linux repo in v".
mircea_popescu: for the past five fucking years, nearly, i've been in the process of getting rid of the crap
deedbot: asciilifeform rated kmalkki 1 << coreboot maestro
mircea_popescu: !!v EB71EA3ABADCAB6F6A6DFB5A4D788ED7D785907CD4B350B533BD033CDBEE104F
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated kmalkki 1 << coreboot
kmalkki: smartprobe binaries now as ELFs with symbols... mostly
kmalkki: on my desktop.. what's your favorite anon share
mircea_popescu: if you sign them, they can also go into deedbot's list
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: in my experience you don't. it's more of a final warning. if the supplier tries to bail early, it's usually a setup of some kind.
mircea_popescu: more like a sign that the setup's done as he no longer cares what you think.
thestringpuller: gotta case the trap spot first. honestly with street trapping you should have a shadow or two...some muscle...but I didn't want to imply i endorse violence in the article
a111: Logged on 2016-10-06 12:33 shinohai: localbuttcoins is truly a convoluted way of obtaining btc
shinohai: so I'm willing to bet phuctor has em already
mircea_popescu: anyway, i AM mildly curious how many here present can actually calculate sha-3 512 (ie, keccak) from command line.
mircea_popescu: because if you don't have it it doesn't do that ; and from a cursory inspection it turns out NOBODY packages it. because why would they, usg has its own designs.
shinohai: When Vinny says pay, you pays bitch.
PeterL: "RSA-4096 is not a bad idea: it’s just, generally speaking, unnecessary. You gain very little in the way of additional resistance to brute-forcing and cryptanalysis."
PeterL: aha, this is the actual reason I was looking through FAQ: "SHA-3 is a completely new hash algorithm that makes a clean break with the previous SHAs. It is believed to be safe, with no warnings about its usage. It hasn't yet been officially introduced into the OpenPGP standard, and for that reason GnuPG doesn't support it."
PeterL: from rhash -h : "--sha3-224, --sha3-256, --sha3-384, --sha3-512 Calculate SHA3 hash sum."
phf: i get this on local machine
phf: echo foobar | rhash --sha3-256 -
phf: 9c5bbf00bb6103c7f3d91fe598489725341010b8d0785274029d4645c34ebe9c (stdin)
PeterL: hmm, I get ec7f27c2fb6588d30116d0abd380354bd73b9100e4ad2520c099c0716895ca70 (stdin)
PeterL: shouldn't they be the same?
PeterL: rhash v1.3.1 here, you?
phf: fwiw i tried both echo foobar and echo -n foobar
trinque: was just about to ask if one of you was using a weirdo shell
phf: we need a tie breaker
trinque: % echo foobar | ./rhash --sha3-256 -
trinque: 9c5bbf00bb6103c7f3d91fe598489725341010b8d0785274029d4645c34ebe9c (stdin)
trinque: clearly all PeterL's fault
PeterL: should I be worried that I am getting a different value?
shinohai: 9c5bbf00bb6103c7f3d91fe598489725341010b8d0785274029d4645c34ebe9c (stdin)
trinque: SHA512 (rhash-1.3.3-src.tar.gz) = 0ac1699a0e5718b750610cd6189d9d582186d7e17191e3723a994559c8f9c6ea7e0d34825da0c96fd0fc6be3e14b5f44ce7a21d17156cdfce3f0e3e4ff09389e
trinque: PeterL: worth figuring out eh? even if it's pebkek
shinohai always userd rhash to create torrent files
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
PeterL: 9c5bbf00bb6103c7f3d91fe598489725341010b8d0785274029d4645c34ebe9c (stdin) << must be something to do with the older version I got from apt-get, with newer version I get this hash
PeterL: now, how do I go about removing the old version and replacing it with the new one I just built?
shinohai: if you built from source it will leave that in /home/ or wherever
PeterL: I learn so much hanging around here!
shinohai: now you can copy the one you built to /usr/local/bin and good to go
PeterL: what's the difference between /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin ?
trinque: PeterL: /usr tends to contain items considered part of your distribution, /usr/local contains 3rd part or "contrib" items
trinque: though this distinction has gotten pretty muddy over the years
trinque: on openbsd for example, /usr contains things shipped with the release. anything installed from ports is in /usr/local .
trinque: then there's /opt which roughly translates to "fuck it, I'm putting this turd all by itself in say /opt/rhash-1.3.3/"
trinque avoids discussing /var lest he have an aneurysm.
shinohai: No woman should ever have to have a buttplug irretrievably lodged in her ass again.
trinque: I can only assume "go in through my stomach" is "abdomen" for the anatomically illiterate.
trinque: since this is probably clickbait fiction, they should rewrite it in a month with the dude playing lead. it'd be funnier.
trinque: thing's overrun with autistaxonomy n-levels deep, because the filesystem is a terrible database.
trinque: /var is meant to be mutable state, as opposed to static-at-runtime state in /etc
trinque: but y'know CUPS writes to /etc/cups/printers.conf all damned day, because fuck you.
phf: when i learned unix from graybeard, i was actually told things like "have your etc mounted read only for day to day operation, have your var on separate drive since that's where all the thrashing is" etc.
trinque: yep, not a terrible thing to mount whole root r/o
trinque has a bigger problem with every unique graybeard snowflake inventing his own format inside /var
trinque: so when I want to "join" across all this data I get to munge strings like some barbarian
mircea_popescu: PeterL i'll ask you what i asked him : does it do it on your box ?
PeterL: I am confused, yes it does
mircea_popescu: then ok ; but it doesn't exist on plenty of boxes and in most distros - is the point.
mircea_popescu: (and from looking through the log - no, it didn't. but anyway)
PeterL: because I just installed it
PeterL: but it is relatively new, so that is why you have to manually add it, right?
PeterL: eventually all the open source guys will get around to adding this to thier packages
mircea_popescu: they don't seem to take very long in adding the official usg holes to "their" packages.
ben_vulpes: that's either very charitable or very naive
PeterL: did I forget the sarcasm tag again?
ben_vulpes: hey, midwesterners use mayo as a food base, i have nfi when y'all are joking
PeterL: so, this gets added to "tmsr distro"?
PeterL: I thought it was the cajuns that made everything out of mayo?
PeterL: maybe she went back to school?
mircea_popescu: "research indicates coffee made from capsules contains significantly more furan than drip or boiled."
mircea_popescu: i suppose no marketing budged to pay for this awareness, however. gotta find better awarenesses.
PeterL: "lets run our boiling hot water over some random plastic bits, what could possibly go wrong?"
mircea_popescu: furan is a degradation product ; mostly driven by thermal shock.
PeterL: would that also apply to cappucinos?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> then ok ; but it doesn't exist on plenty of boxes and in most distros - is the point. <- ubuntu 14.04 at least actually has it
PeterL: "brewing by an espresso machine caused significant loss of furanic compounds." < from another study on mircea_popescu's link
trinque: could ship a statically compiled rhash.
trinque: there is an example with the rpm target in the Makefile using ADDLDFLAGS, should also work with target "all"
PeterL: why not build from source?
diana_coman: that being said, it is from "universe" aka not "officially" supported
trinque: PeterL: I just proposed that.
PeterL: I guess I misunderstood what you proposed
mircea_popescu: if you ship a statically compiled rhash that'd be a binary neh ?
trinque: sure if he meant end user of Eulora compiles. I understood that most of them download binaries.
mircea_popescu: ah, this is only vaguely related to eulora ; inasmuch as i've decided to keep snapshots of known-good linuxen and in the process discovered the horribru state of "open source" opsec
mircea_popescu: ps. you'd be surprised just how many installs are secured by a md5 hash. do check what happens if you disable it ; or try to use a repo with it disabled.
mircea_popescu: and by now md5 collisions are subsecond affairs even without significant gear / investment.
mircea_popescu: (because src allows comments, this literally means ANYTHING could be in that file that "matches" md5 signature)
trinque: meanwhile gentoo, which obviates the whole F35^H^H^Hdebian-style build infrastructure, bloats by the day
trinque did another base install of gentoo the other day, was something like 1.5-2gb
trinque: gotta have like two pythons, a perl, can't remove scads of doc/info/sgml(WHAT?)/man pages in-band, god knows whatever else
ben_vulpes: trinque: can you install an ancient gentoo?
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'd rather freeze an openbsd and steal portage from gentoo
trinque: farting around with that still.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman of course the q now is, if it has it or "has" it, like seen above with PeterL 's experience with a v 1.3.1 that fraudulently misrepresented sha2 as sha3
diana_coman: it's version 1.3.1 in the repos from what I see
PeterL: I don't think it matched up with sha2 either
mircea_popescu: whole fucking termite nest, in all places and everywhere, THIS paper thin. "it has it, o wait dun look closer".
mircea_popescu: from littoral combat ships to convenience paper cups, all the way and whichever way. the usg way!
diana_coman: only latest version of ubuntu claims to have 1.3.3-1 rhash but by this time I'm not even sure that is what it claims anyway
mircea_popescu: PeterL it's sha-256 long, but you're right, not the correct value
mircea_popescu: and i'm going to write up that " "If you need more security than RSA-2048 offers, the way to go would be to switch to elliptical curve cryptography" nonsense ; because it's getting ridiculous
a111: Logged on 2015-05-30 04:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know, at some point one of us needs to write the canonical 'specificity of diddling theorem' article.
ben_vulpes: iirc there is no canonical specificity of diddling article
ben_vulpes: but that's the best i've found as well.
BingoBoingo: * trinque avoids discussing /var lest he have an aneurysm. << /var is great. Most stuff belongs there!
trinque: lets separate things properly here
trinque: having a partition for run-time mutable state sounds great
trinque: one could have that and impose some rigorous structure over the damned thing too
trinque: insert into `/etc/hosts` (ip, hostname) select ip, hostname from `/var/db/dhcp.leases`; << the only reason this (represented in *any* syntax, has nothing to do with SQL itself) isn't possible is that "freedom" plus autism equals makework
trinque: a pile of cleartext sexprs manipulated through a transactional constraints checker would be superior, even, to the relational example.
shinohai: Do all scammers have only a 3rd-grade education now? Seriously, ebay of all places.
mircea_popescu: the cattle regards the fence as "part of its environment". it endows it with basic assumptions of fairness etc derived from the "fact" that it & its fellow moos still moo.
mircea_popescu: just like they don't suspect the rain of being radioactive ; they wouldn't suspect ebay of being run by you know, someone.
mircea_popescu: "although no word was available as to whether any iTunes gift cards were recovered the haul" BingoBoingo ?
shinohai: You haven't got a call from a Preet asking you to pay fines with an itunes giftcard?
mircea_popescu: no it was John ford-kerry or w/e ketchup firm they named him after.
shinohai: I guess they figure they need to send the big cheeses after you.
shinohai is going to start offering pdf to text conversions as a service