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Mats_cd03: nobody cares about the continued operation per se; its the continued damage to the reputation of legitimate operators within the ecosystem
ozbot: Reputation system?
benkay: if their reputation is solid enough, they don't really benefit from ripping you off for 1k.
mircea_popescu: "In London, the different guilds divided into tribes and engaged in violent disputes. In 1339, fishmongers were involved in a series of major street battles with goldsmiths. But ironically, the apprentices with the worst reputation for violence belonged to the legal profession."
ninjashogun: what's the online wallet with the best reputation?
Mats_cd03: pseudonymous forum that allows for full disclosure while insulating identity of researchers while maintaining a reputation system
nubbins`: "i'm tired of being a fighter. i want to manage my facebook reputation"
mircea_popescu: "I’m tired of university. I’m tired of having a fucked up sleep schedule, and studying. I’m tired of the fucking time I waste on the internet liking ironic meme pages and managing my facebook reputation, and shitposting on ylilauta.
asciilifeform: then you're stuck with strictly reputation-based contract
ughlol: TomServo: I was thinking of having people register as helpers. People that have reputation, whose identity we can verify.
dexX7: i'm asking about deprived, because there was also creativx, another us issuer who vanished after btct who had a rock solid reputation
mircea_popescu: before you know it he'll be going "i stake my professional reputation !!eleven behind making this thing i read on trilema two weeks ago happen!" like that other douche
mircea_popescu: i love all the pretense tho, "my personal and professional reputation" apparently is the new stock phrase of the chump.
dexX7: "To the chagrin of the less confrontational, I plan to attack. And in putting my personal and professional reputation on the line, I will attack ruthlessly, from the front, and (figuratively) shoot to kill. By Monday, I expect that either: a) Vessenes and Matonis resign gracefully from the board of the Bitcoin Foundation, ..."
cazalla: reputation mattered in everquest as well, doesn't matter for shit in WoW
asciilifeform: next day, A calls again 'we found the spoons. but the stain on your reputation... it remains.' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: just in case you ever wondered how bitcoin got the early reputation of being a toy for the tards.
pankkake: why would a company want to buy what is mostly bad reputation and debt?
markov: eastern europe also has a reputation for cc hacking/fraud
markov: bitcoinbuilder is run by founder of dreamhost -- he has a positive reputation -- if that means anything
benkay: although in his vision it was the reputation system that cracked 'em open, not the breaking of the fiat bank.
greenspan_fan: he was the original musician (I believe) whose reputation had faust superimposed over it
mircea_popescu: but was this reputation been built by reddit or by vory.
asciilifeform: no serious objection on my part, just that the author has a reputation as a teller of embellished tales.
KRS-One: so even though mtgox has a negative reputation, most publications reference them..is that a bad thing to a new company trying to acquire the brand?
cads: or do you... "live your life" while your reputation is slandered?
mircea_popescu: <benkay> << one could, perhaps, but defo not by persevering in the manner that got them the original reputation in the first place.
benkay: much less a reputation for outright scammery.
benkay: one can never fix a reputation for incompetence.
mircea_popescu: you need to be in the wot and have a reputation before you'll get demand from any clients
ozbot: Reputation system?
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i think the reputation ledger has value specifically because its business transactions
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: what im trying to say is, if the reputation ledge is built on the back of wotbook then its just a social graph.
herbijudlestoids: the existing WoT is a reputation ledger.
ThickAsThieves: well, a reputation ledger
ThickAsThieves: so what youre saying is, the best way to model reputation systems, is like how they work IRL?!
mircea_popescu: ah this is a good story. so : three years ago i write a scathing piece dropping dox on this romanian spammer guy. he gets really butthurt keeps calling my office to make btctalk-type legal threats and spends a while "ruining my reputation" on social media venues. eventually simmers down.
nubbins`: mike_c: you disagree that displaying a shocking lack of foresight is tarnishing to a reputation?
mike_c: btw, i disagree that an honestly run buisness that ends in failure is tarnishing to a reputation.
ThickAsThieves: with reputation filters
TATonawalk: added thoughts on bitcoin fiverr - integrate with wot to manage reputation. package that integration method as an identity service for other cryptobizzes. handholding the masses into compliance and get paid for it.
mircea_popescu: there's this ethnic group in romania, living in Oltenia (the south west), called olteni. they have a reputation of being sorta hillbilly-ish. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Apparently Goat's reputation in straight up trades is impecable, but he has no qualms about pumping shit to make a buck.
BingoBoingo: Well, Bitcoin is a reputation economy
Apocalyptic: mike_c, regarding your BitBet and MPex analysis on btcalpha, you claim these are "zero-asset company". I don't think this term is appropriate as they hold at the very least intangible assets such as goodwill resulting from their userbase and the reputation among other things
benkay: firing up an #otc reputation a few months ago and ramping up your trades looks like a real good idea in retrospect, doesn't it?
ThickAsThieves: "The idea of a decentralized market is that it allows anyone anonymous but with accrued and verifiable reputation to be the arbiter and/or market maker of any particular market, while he stays safe from sabotage."
monolithik: fairly significant reputation investment has been established under
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's possible substitution for reputation generally.
asciilifeform: there's no possible substitute for arena reputation, though; with the possible exception of holding the contest inside a faraday cage, with the target machine signing messages with its addr key on demand.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic he had an ok reputation, been around forever, did a sort of hash exchange before that closed down cleanrly
Apocalyptic: "I hope this is the case, I invested with Ukyo due to his reputation" // what kind of reputation did this guy have ?
benkay: ya heard, mircea_popescu? wot is not the endgame of reputation.
benkay: and urbit will be your reputation
pankkake: well I suppose to enter the WoT you'd need older people to vouch you, and to risk a bit of their reputation
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=reputable | ... reputable; Reputant · reputate · reputation · Reputation Architect · Reputation Armor · Reputation arsonist · reputation dysmorphia · Reputation Management ...
pankkake: craigslist doesn't have a reputation system right?
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Because your worth as a person is only worth the reputation attached to your Public keys?
mircea_popescu: somewhere in there he failed to account for the fact that having kept his reputation intact for those two years is just about as valuable as having kept his bitcoins for two years.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of truth to it. let's lay it out : bozo comes in when bitcoin is 1 year old, can start a reputation within a week and be doing business within am onth.
dub: reputation systems work better
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves basically this is a lot of pretense around the reputation scam people try to run on the forum
truffles: but the conflict of reputation etc..
dub: talk about riding their reputation
benkay: and with my OTC reputation, it'd be largely worthless
mircea_popescu: musicians as a group will need a dude who can testify to their reputation among plumbers
mircea_popescu: dub bidiji (51403667@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.64.54.103) has a reputation to ruin now ?
mircea_popescu: well, the fact remains most people that managed to ruin their reputation to date did so by agreeing to front for some third party new to btc that then went tits up.
gecko_x2: family, friends, reputation, ownership
_Neil: Sure. But you're the entrpreneur and owner. You have a substantial stake in its reputation.
nejon: and why ruin the reputation
ThickAsThieves: "This is good for the Bitcoin economy in general and the reputation in specific because it proves that Bitcoins are in and of themselves a neutral store of value or medium of exchange and that privacy does not necessarily have to be compromised for law enforcement purposes."
asciilifeform: well, these folks want trust without the reputation of an affair like mpex. so, cryptocontracts (shitcoin, or something more state-of-the-art)
VanCleef: especially if you're a new company starting out you dont want to ruin your reputation being assocated with mpex
dexX7: thanks, actually this is very valuable. you seem to have quite a good reputation and the general sentiment about lab right now is not very bullsih, phrased carefully.
mircea_popescu: the one hit on arstechnica.com is from the cyruss bitcoin guy, which incidentally may end up an ugly mar on his reputation as afair he was quite well researched
mircea_popescu: when Luke-Jr did this exact thing for bfl, a) bitbet didn't go for it and b) his reputation, such as it was, was permanently ruined.
jurov: best quote: Thankfully iCE.DRiLL will not have its reputation sullied by being listed among the scams at the BTCT boiler room.
Guest73018: build reputation and borrow more i guess
dub: is there even a reputation on the line? a forum account older than 10 minutes?
dexX7: btcgarden: "To all shareholders : Since all of our reputation is only based on chinese community,we ll give out some pics of equipments/devices and upload our deployment schemes soon to enhance your understanding of us. To those doubters with "ASICMiner USB Block Erupter"-related talks : I feel somewhat depressed and was beaten! --- Do our team look that stupid ? How could be more
Apocalyptic: it would amortize itself over time, as the site should be profitable, and leaving him an clean reputation
Apocalyptic: damn, how does one build an otc reputation these days when people are afraid to trade for $20...
mircea_popescu: But Telsa came into conflict with Thomas Edison, America’s foremost inventor at the time, and Edison’s superior sense of business and advertising destroyed Tesla’s reputation and left him and many of his ideas frustrated and unfulfilled. Thankfully, with the rise of steampunk and a renewed interest in nineteenth century science, Tesla has come back into the public eye and, one hopes, will finally get the recognit
ozbot: Microsoft's Xbox One reputation system is built to make trolls play with trolls | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/3/4491108/microsoft-xbox-one-reputation-system-cordons-off-trolls
bitcoinbust: i guess in bitcoinland reputation costs money since 99% of it is scum.
ThickAsThieves: BitBet.us - Seemingly innocent but will scam and make money off large bets, forum member MPOE-PR is related to the scam, SatoshiDice is also related to the people who run the scam. The group of people that run the scam are mostly trashy, condescending and prideful for a reason that shall remain a mystery to us. It appears that this is the reason why the reputation of SatoshiDice was
bitcoin935: reputation matters
parseval_: reputation?
jurov: the reputation has no causal relationship with conference attendance (other that that shady types like to show up)
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, if you're a welfare bum like taaki broken reputation might not mean anything when a few k's are on the table. i get it.
mircea_popescu: because then you end up with a broken reputation and that's the end of you.
Ukto: deadweasel: sigh. ripple has hurt weex's reputation badly.
ThickAsThieves: I guess I have earned the "will do anything for AM shares" reputation.
ThickAsThieves: "Putin, who has staked his reputation on a successful Games, faces criticism over allegations of corruption and costs overruns that have pushed up the price tag for the event to $50bn - five times more than initially planned."
mircea_popescu: thus therefore MPOE-PR "will have bad reputation"
mircea_popescu: and since "your reputation" is basically your juju
mircea_popescu: it's a mishmash of performance, sacrifice to the gods (and for the record most souls in btc have a very shamanistical relarton to btc, their own "reputation" etc)
ThickAsThieves: the whole scam was propped into this world by his btc wot reputation