turbo_ac100: Or better yet: 1) buy lots of mcxFEE (only 1 BTC!!!) 2) get pay-banned a lot 3) profit!!
turbo_ac100: "PAID BAN: duetschpire has chatbanned fireinyourhole for 50 minutes and given everyone some fees. They typed /payban fireinyourhole 0.1"
ozbot: mcxFEE Exchange - Buy mcxFEE with Bitcoin
kakobrekla: distribute to #bitcoin-assets shareholders n stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.0008505 = 2.8492 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2075 @ 0.0011068 = 2.2966 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3578 @ 0.00084679 = 3.0298 BTC [-]
bgupta: Only issue I see with opengpg/gpg smartcards is that although the latest spec supports 4096bit keys, the current shipping devices don't..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.40000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00869663 = 1.6698 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00084909 = 3.7785 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00852196 = 0.4346 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 306 @ 0.0085047 = 2.6024 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.40000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.9075901 = 8.1683 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00939997 = 0.799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.0008526 = 4.0072 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bgupta because one of those is not particularly designed to resist attack.
mircea_popescu: as prev discussed, those things are mostly a teaching tool. the same reason you don't race cars made out of legos, you don't use the openpgp smartcard for actual security.
pankkake: yes, I checked, it's mine; however I do know I signed up on BF with it
pankkake: still, probably a bug somewhere
bgupta: mircea_popescu: discussed previously? In IRC or elsewhere? (My issue with current implementations, is the key lengths they support are too short, but the latest version of the spec seems to address that)
mircea_popescu: i dropped the link as a response to your blog comment,
mircea_popescu: “You are also reminded that any inappropriate remarks or jokes concerning security may result in your arrest” << teh us improves every day lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.92 BTC [+]
ozbot: Schneier on Security: Air Gaps
mircea_popescu: "The advice I shared included using Tor" for the record, that particular tidbit has most people involved in compsec scratching their heads at schneier.
mircea_popescu: " It's impossible to completely avoid connecting the computer to the Internet"
mircea_popescu: for the further record, any piece of hardware that was ever at any point in its life connected to the internet can no longer be used as part of an airgapped system. period.
mircea_popescu: "I downloaded and installed OpenOffice, a PDF reader" no srsly. this is ludicrous.
nubbins`: i've stopped using perfectly good pgp keys after absentmindedly connecting the machines holding them to the internet
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i think that's an oxford comma
mod6: it seems bizzare that Schneier would write something like: " It's impossible to completely avoid connecting the computer to the Internet"
☟︎ mod6: cause that's idiotic
nubbins`: "I downloaded and installed a) OpenOffice, b) a PDF reader, c) a text editor, d) TrueCrypt, and e) BleachBit."
mod6: ok. i am disappoint. the guy wrote one of my all time favorite books: Applied Cryptography
pankkake: his "accessible" writing is weird
nubbins`: "only connect to the internet a little bit, and do all this weird voodoo when you plug foreign usb devices in"
mod6: AMAZING VOODOO AIRGAP!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2364 @ 0.00085183 = 2.0137 BTC [-]
[\]: amazing amazing amazing.
[\]: you see where I'm going with this..
[\]: it can't end with amazing.
[\]: the regex fails on amazing.
nubbins`: amazing. you'd think it wouldn't.
[\]: stupid special characters
[\]: anything but a letter or space
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2286 @ 0.00085183 = 1.9473 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 387 @ 0.00220407 = 0.853 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 552 @ 0.00204477 = 1.1287 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00085151 = 4.9813 BTC [-] {2}
[\]: amazing kakobrekla is amazing to amazing kakobrekla is amazing to amazing kakobrekla
pankkake: the "massive fork" link is broken, characters at the end of the URL
mircea_popescu: (i swear i haven't changed it since, but maybe you got a messy page ?)
mod6: i like your analysis of that article by schneier.
mod6: its like "PDF Reader?!" .. wave in the trojans plz!
mircea_popescu: well in his defense, he might have been stuck with it on account of whatever the snowden bundle contained.
mod6: and yah, i do happen to like the GEOM encrypted file system layer to freebsd, more so than probably the linux one. maybe im just more clued on that one. but its no substitute for gpg'ing every damn file.
mircea_popescu: i would have just used a converter personally, but hey. sometimes you're stuck.
mod6: yah. lot of damn pps. who the fuck uses pps these days anyway? oh yah, big corps and usg.
pankkake: what do you like about geom? (I use both the freebsd and linux one)
mircea_popescu: i dunno what sort of intel community this is, on pps. it boggles.
pankkake: hmm I think I use GELI actually
mod6: i guess i just like how you can slice and dice with it, and stackable. self-destruct is neat for orphans too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3669 @ 0.00085202 = 3.1261 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake i know where the crazy character came from, too. it's on google results pages, after the url of results.
mod6: and these days, i agree with mp, if you want to feel good about it, gpg every file with your own key.
mod6: there are a bunch of gems in that article
pankkake: it's a live cd, which forces everything to go through tor
pankkake: with a bunch of stuff preconfigured, it has i2p too
pankkake: you've got to try it at least for the "camouflage" mode, it makes it look like windows xp ;)
mircea_popescu: so basically is repackaged deb with some network rewrites ?
pankkake: yes. as a throwaway OS / live cd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 230 @ 0.00850006 = 1.955 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.04200001 = 0.126 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.095 = 0.285 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.37010007 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 12 @ 0.04200001 = 0.504 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1200 @ 0.00050025 = 0.6003 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 4500 @ 0.00018 = 0.81 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00085053 = 1.1057 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00085053 = 2.7642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00084829 = 3.5628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1504 @ 0.00084829 = 1.2758 BTC [-]
b0n1: am i totally wrong or did the profit of just-dice increase by a factor of over the last day?
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 4639 BTC profit, 61.7k BTC invested, 171.30 mio bets, 4.15 mio BTC wagered
b0n1: is there a chart of the profit over time of just-dice?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00850005 = 0.85 BTC [-]
ozbot: Is Bitcoin the future of money? Not a chance | ZDNet
jurov: this does not deserve raging
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pankkake: well I guess you could buy and then sell
Bunnyh: i made a support ticket of my concern, and all they responded was "Thank you for your ticket. We carefully monitor users' activity for this scam not to happen."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00084829 = 3.6476 BTC [-] {2}
_Neil: mircea_popescu: What is a private bet? Your website mentions it when proposing bets, with no explanation I could find whatsoever
mircea_popescu: you enter a pw when you create it, and only people with the pw can bet.
_Neil: Who can see such bets?
_Neil: So effectively bitbet is an escrow service?
_Neil: Your lack of usage of HTTPS on bitbet.us is a little concerning. Who would know if there was an MITM attack against your site, which replaced legitimate funding addresses with a scammer's address?
mircea_popescu: in principle you can edit your hosts file and avoid dns altogether.
_Neil: No not really. Avoiding HTTPS just for the ability to claim it's unnecessary isn't really a goal.
_Neil: It's only a matter of time. You of all people, Mircea, know that.
mircea_popescu: i mean, youy have to realise, my technical involvement in bitbet is modest, i mostly do business stuff for it.
_Neil: Sure. But you're the entrpreneur and owner. You have a substantial stake in its reputation.
_Neil: Unless something's end-to-end encrypted I can't really trust it. It's that simple. It's not my job as an honest person to figure out how to break it. I know it's been done many times.
_Neil: s/owner/substantial owner/
mircea_popescu: this is a point. the problem with
https is that it doesn't REALLY deliver that end to end promise.
_Neil: And surely you wouldn't suggest that the only way to use bitbet safely, even assuming it were safe, is for users to screw around with host files on their machine.
mircea_popescu: someone craks the tls (which HAS been done), comes and mitm's bitbet with
https just fine
mircea_popescu: well, IPs are difficult to fake. domain names not so. this is a thing of the internet, i didn't make it that way
_Neil: It makes it a lot harder, and more expensive such that joe blow can use it with reasonable confidence.
mircea_popescu: sadly ips aren't impossible to fake, either, especially by a locakl attacker
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point you bring isn't without merit in any case.
_Neil: Your target audience, ultimately, goes beyond techno-geeks I hope.
_Neil: OK. Just wanted to make the point. I'm happy. Thanks for listening.
mircea_popescu: _Neil to answer your original question : an judged escrow service. people could, in principle, use bitbet private bets to resolve disputes of the nature the rota was supposed to resolve.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00084866 = 1.8671 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.0011994 = 1.1994 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1035 @ 0.00019 = 0.1967 BTC [-]
pankkake: lol I actually have that one share in first my bitfunder account
pankkake: the one where weexchange never worked
pankkake: Error: Google 2-Factor MUST be enabled to transfer shares.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.0008477 = 2.967 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.0008504 = 1.5732 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.0008504 = 4.7197 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.90113332 = 27.034 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00085043 = 3.3592 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 263136 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 959 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 22 hours, 1 minute, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 233536013.713 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.38043
mircea_popescu: In April 2006, fugitive Mafia boss Bernardo Provenzano was captured in Sicily partly because some of his messages, written in a variation of the Caesar cipher, were broken. Provenzano's cipher used numbers, so that "A" would be written as "4", "B" as "5", and so on.
mircea_popescu: In 2011, Rajib Karim was convicted in the United Kingdom of "terrorism offences" after using the Caesar cipher to communicate with Bangladeshi Islamic activists discussing plots to blow up British Airways planes or disrupt their IT networks.
mircea_popescu: Although the parties had access to far better encryption techniques (Karim himself used PGP for data storage on computer disks), they chose to use their own scheme(implemented in Microsoft Excel), rejecting a more sophisticated code program called Mujhaddin Secrets "because 'kaffirs', or non-believers, know about it, so it must be less secure".
Diablo-D3: this is why I think evil is just too stupid to win
Diablo-D3: because if evil was smart enough to win, they won before the modern world and have held power since then
Diablo-D3: and theres your mindfuck for the day.
mircea_popescu: obviously whities could not have figured out on their own this brilliant "shift letters" technique
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.08899993 = 0.178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00085048 = 3.9547 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I wonder if almost 2000 shares of DMC are locked away in an account that no one uses anymore
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 141.00609, Best ask: 142.05000, Bid-ask spread: 1.04391, Last trade: 142.05000, 24 hour volume: 9710.62684698, 24 hour low: 139.10000, 24 hour high: 142.98700, 24 hour vwap: 141.16892
naemsi: anyone still holding out hope for activemining?
naemsi: i have havelock but tempted to get rid of it before inevitable US crackdown
mircea_popescu: it's trading slightly above the girl's estimation, what'd you hope ?
pankkake: what estimation? aren't you confusing it with asicminer?
mircea_popescu: i can't believe someone's even asking about that still lol.
mircea_popescu: naemsi what us crackdown dood ? it's a scam. forget about it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9885 @ 0.00084747 = 8.3772 BTC [-] {2}
naemsi: HIM is scam or havelock is a scam?
naemsi: well, it was two questions. I'm thinking to get out of HIM before crackdown, but don't know if anything concrete came out of activemining yet (I'm not on top of the news).
naemsi: If activemining was worth anything, i might move some over to that, otherwise stay out.
naemsi: just thinking out loud really.
mircea_popescu: activemining isn't worth anything. him i have no idea, who runs it ?
naemsi: it's only available on havelock is the problem
naemsi: and havelock made some noise about a big announcement coming which doesn't sound good.
naemsi: maybe a better question is, what do people around here own ? :)
naemsi: _is_ there anything worth owning atm
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
turbo_ac100: ThickAsThieves, how many shares of asicminer does asicminer-pt represent on all exchanges combined?
naemsi: i'd like to say asking around here is part of doing homework since I know people here are generally contrarian. but sorry if I broke the rules
ThickAsThieves: once the latest migration is out only 6.4% of shares will be represented
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ya srsly ?! is this from your fractional pt thing ?
ThickAsThieves: the math is not clear for you because you dont know how many AM-PT shares I hold that are represented in other PTs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00084709 = 3.9813 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: kinda amazing how few shares represent the market price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00084904 = 1.7405 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00085176 = 16.5241 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.37010007 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.37010007 = 1.1103 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.37010007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00084646 = 5.4173 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00084762 = 4.9162 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "si no cocino, no como" > if i don't pork, i don't come.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.37010006 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 547 @ 0.00201002 = 1.0995 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: "I'm just wondering what's going to happen to my 230 shares of DMS.MINING. Mostly because I used a loan to get them and I really should sell off some shares."
Kleeck: that is the dumbest thing I've read all week.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.8802 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.008513 = 0.8513 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.88000999 = 44.0005 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.0085 = 0.1275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2592 @ 0.00084614 = 2.1932 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: big deal russian girl band. first group to get eu platinum in two languages.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.88 = 1.76 BTC [-]
KRS-: thanks..got my fix for complimentary trilema articles.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5702 @ 0.00084814 = 4.8361 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00084848 = 3.903 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 115 @ 0.00820043 = 0.943 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00810011 = 0.5913 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 21 @ 0.08 = 1.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.08 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.8995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.8999 BTC [+]
ozbot: [BOMBSHELL] Ex-CIA Agent Claims Obama Killed Breitbart and Clancy - The Free Patriot
BITESAK: Lastly, he revealed that Obama’s administration was made up of Marxist Muslims who all take their orders from Senior Adviser to the President, Iranian-born Valerie Jarrett. Dr. Garrow said that it is well known to intelligence agencies all over the world that Obama is a foreign plant who was placed on the path to the presidency by ultra-rich Saudi nationals This is why, Garrow said, that all of Obama’s education records
Diablo-D3: the guy was just a mouth for fox news
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.9 = 1.8 BTC [+]
dexX7: did anyone here receive a pm from hashfast within the last 4 hours?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: unlikely, the reptilians do not use personas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [+]
jurov: or you consider whole pic fatally flawed?
mircea_popescu: that aside, i can live fine with people up to about "modern conservatism"
mircea_popescu: "Dr. Garrow states President Obama had Tom Clancy killed as well and noted that it takes 5 days for plant toxins and most poisons to break down and leave no traces in the human body. Amazingly enough, or coincidentally, the doctors did not perform an autopsy on Tom Clancy’s body for 5 days."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00825 = 0.429 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 41 @ 0.4 = 16.4 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.0081 = 0.3078 BTC [-]
benkay: i'm particularly enamored of the conspiracy theories around brittany murphy's death
benkay: and her husband's subsequent demise in the same "mysteeeeerious" manner
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00084762 = 2.9667 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [-]
KRS-: Gubment issued vagainas would solve a lot of problems..but can't speak for the quality of them, I mean look at gubment cheese.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.89 = 2.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00084966 = 3.4411 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00084762 = 1.0171 BTC [-]
dexX7: labcoin: This week dividends deposit on btct.co has been "confiscated" by Burnside, thus we were unable to push it to shareholders.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00085071 = 5.1043 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.470099 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4190099 = 1.257 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4828 @ 0.0008511 = 4.1091 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7364 @ 0.00085121 = 6.2683 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1099 @ 0.0001871 = 0.2056 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 278 @ 0.00804121 = 2.2355 BTC [-] {13}
ohhithere: gonna ban me from here too? do it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 436 @ 0.00085122 = 0.3711 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7527 @ 0.0008512 = 6.407 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 286 @ 0.0004 = 0.1144 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.8552402 = 8.5524 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.45 = 2.7 BTC [+]