benkay: potatoes can be had though
ozbot: Willet or Won’t It? (Mastercoin) | StandardCrypto
benkay: no appreciation for history.
ivstr28: all work on the project since then is irrelevent
benkay: all work ever done on mastercoin is irrelevant.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
benkay: mastercoin has reversable transactions
benkay: i can't even fathom the mind that decided that a return to the broken past was necessary.
ivstr28: so you thought the white paper on decentralized applications was bullshit too right?
benkay: the david johnston paper?
benkay: ivstr28: the david johnston paper?
ivstr28: ron gross and two other guys are on it too
benkay: well its pretty badly written to begin with
benkay: and until someone pays me for a thorough fisking it will just have to languish in the obscurity that is the attention of the altcoin/I matter circlejerk.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15171 @ 0.00084154 = 12.767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9066 @ 0.00084182 = 7.6319 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00280978 = 1.4049 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00280002 = 0.2352 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 416 @ 0.00280001 = 1.1648 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.04999942 = 1.05 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2784 @ 0.00012 = 0.3341 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7736 @ 0.00084154 = 6.5102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0029 = 0.232 BTC [+]
benkay: gotta love that average order size
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02429999 = 0.1458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00084146 = 26.3798 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00084484 = 6.8854 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31000003 = 0.62 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008456 = 4.228 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00084614 = 7.9114 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: i wonder, is there a market for custom one-off tees with your public key printed on the front
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13443 @ 0.0008423 = 11.323 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1207 @ 0.00084055 = 1.0145 BTC [-]
nubbins`: it's a nerd shirt, they're all ugly
ozbot: ThinkGeek :: There's no place like 127.0.0.1
nubbins`: at least a shirt with your pgp key would have some utility
nubbins`: not much, mind you -- good luck getting the key off the shirt and into your computer -- but still
benkay: a tiny barely-there stencil over the breast pocket might be nice
nubbins`: how about black ink on a black shirt?
nubbins`: you'd have to catch the shine to read it
mod6: you could have a QR code on your shirt that was just your public key or whatever..
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <jurov> no, santa gankin'
KRS|Gotyawallet: ;;tell jurov later just-dice user study completed..interesting results..time is a function of random number chosen, time passing increases entropy, next data gathering, will probably use perl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00084055 = 1.8912 BTC [-]
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 10657 BTC profit, 35.5k BTC invested, 371.70 mio bets, 4.65 mio BTC wagered
nubbins`: mod6: nobody's going to scan a qr code on a shirt, because chances are it's not worth it
nubbins`: at least with plain text, you can decide yourself whether it's worth the effort
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084645 = 7.9566 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00084055 = 5.7578 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5500 @ 0.00012 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17247 @ 0.00084549 = 14.5822 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.0657 = 0.1971 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02429998 = 0.1215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02429999 = 0.1215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3923 @ 0.00084085 = 3.2987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00084083 = 4.7507 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8838 @ 0.00084149 = 7.4371 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15747 @ 0.00084286 = 13.2725 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: nubbins' this whole pubkey in public thing is a bit declasse, you know? "here's where you can send me money" printed on things is a bit tacky.
benkay: now as part of a jewelry, discreet and all, that might be an interesting thing.
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
benkay: no because his transaction didn't clear before the deadline
benkay: subtle distinction many people fail to understand. requires intimate understanding of the blockchain etc.
dio_: didnt clear because the lack of transaction fee...
dio_: unless you didnt read that
benkay: it may as well say "because he's an idiot who doesn't understand the bitcoin protocol"
benkay: people who don't understand how things actually work are generally going to fuck themselves.
dio_: was the originating transfer from a dumb company that dint include an approximate 7 cent transsaciton fee that would have accleerated propgaation of the transaction enough to be acceptec by thte deadline? if not yes or no....any guess on probability?
dio_: i can run that through spell check if anyones having issues
dio_: seems to be the case
benkay: yup sounds right to me
benkay: basically some idiot had a dependency in his financial toolchain whose impacts on sending money he didn't understand.
dio_: no reason to spout ad hominems...
dio_: i was trying to be logical
benkay: it is the fate of all who do not grok their computation platforms to forever wail and thrash in incompetent rage at their continuing inability to do business and acquire as much capital as their self-image indicates they should have
dio_: passive aggresive, i see
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12803 @ 0.00084517 = 10.8207 BTC [+]
dio_: i just wnated to make sure, that dude got screwed out of 7k becuase he transfered from a dumb company that didnt pay an approximate 7 cent transaction fee
dio_: which, out of the guys defense, would be (dangerously) assumed to be included
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6497 @ 0.00084572 = 5.4946 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 670.41403, Best ask: 678.59398, Bid-ask spread: 8.17995, Last trade: 670.414, 24 hour volume: 13690.56230659, 24 hour low: 630.0, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 666.96364
dio_: a logical person would smell collusion
dio_: but eh....not everything is logical
benkay: between the other 'wallet' and bitbet?
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 671.005, Best ask: 678.59396, Bid-ask spread: 7.58896, Last trade: 670.414, 24 hour volume: 13689.99901707, 24 hour low: 630.0, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 666.96373
benkay: a logical person wouldn't smell anything but stupid
benkay: if you can't handle txn fees, and you don't understand their impact on transactions, you don't hold bitcoin for long.
dio_: who are you talking to?
benkay: well the 'you' thing is a conversational construct
benkay: i could just as well have written 'one'
benkay: but it's really for you.
dio_: try and answer questions quicker dude
benkay: you're investigating this months old thing where someone tried to slip in under the wire of a bet before it closed, but sent from a not-really-a-wallet-wallet and so didn't have a txn fee, which meant their txn had to wait for the first friendly miner including zero fee blocks.
benkay: blocks -> transactions
benkay: i'm trying to give you a bigger perspective here
benkay: u can't bitcoin, u no has bitcoin eventually
dio_: why are you strawmaning
dio_: i guess that was a rhetorical question, my bad
Vexual: a pig with a flick knife
ozbot: NEWSFLASH BEN BERNANKE originally wrote MILEY CYRUS’S hit song WE CAN’T STOP as a FEDzlz mission
Vexual: what would bitcoin barbie come with?
Vexual: im not sure if thet should be a crude joke or a tshirt for nubbins
Vexual: the crude joke punchline would be "nothing, she is vaginaless@
Vexual: but in the existing box, would it be tulips and lsd?
Vexual: i heard it said once, im not sure of the correlation
Vexual: rented servers and a maserati?
benkay: you don't rent servers this is bitcoin
benkay: locked cages and asics?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00084199 = 13.3034 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084225 = 7.9172 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00084473 = 7.3914 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00084387 = 6.751 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10452 @ 0.00084101 = 8.7902 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00084376 = 9.5345 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4483 @ 0.00084054 = 3.7681 BTC [-] {2}
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Vexual: the word scam flys around a lot in bitcoinia
Vexual: heres a scam, 55 days interest free, but if you dont make a payment every month theres a late fee
Diablo-D3: some companies DO make "no payments until future date" things
Diablo-D3: no interest != doesn't have to cover minimum payment
Vexual: so whats that called? sneaky?
Diablo-D3: and Ive seen ones which have interest but have "no payment until the future"
Diablo-D3: Vexual: its called standard business practices
Diablo-D3: its not even sneaky if they're up front about it
Diablo-D3: they have to inform you what your minimum monthly is anyhow, by law
ozbot: Bloomberg Exposes Bitcoin Paper Wallet Private Key on TV, Gets Stolen | On Bitcoin
Vexual: bloomberg is going out, anyon know about the new mayor?
Diablo-D3: Vexual: bloomberg, the mayor != bloomberg the news outlet
Vexual: yeah i know, his tenure is up soon
Vexual: whatever im not american
Diablo-D3: tenture does not "go up", it comes into existance after being there for ten years
Diablo-D3: it means something in acadameia but nowhere else
Diablo-D3: the word you're looking for is term
Vexual: right or wrong, whats the deal?
Vexual: do you know anything about this new guy?
Diablo-D3: I don't particularly pay attention to small time politics like that
Diablo-D3: its a city, and the guy is still a mayor
Vexual: he can fart and make a law for every guy that works on wall st
Diablo-D3: ny state rarely interferes with financial concerns like that
Diablo-D3: nyc isnt even the biggest city in the world
Vexual: i know its kinda academic, but he influences peoples lives
Diablo-D3: now, where people park? where schools are built (but not the funding to build)? how many black people get arrested for being black? thats totally the mayor's thing
Diablo-D3: hell, even the building of the new WTC, the mayor's office had very little input on it and would have to sign off on it no matter if they liked it or not due to how high profile it is
Vexual: ydo you think he has more power in his news agency?
Diablo-D3: but he IS distantly related to the guy who started it
Vexual: have you been to new york?
Diablo-D3: Bloomberg L.P. is a privately held financial software, data and media company headquartered in New York City. Bloomberg L.P. was founded by Michael Bloomberg in 1981 with the help of Thomas Secunda, Duncan MacMillan, Charles Zegar[6] and a 30% ownership investment by Merrill Lynch.
Vexual: do you also dislike the yakuza boss that runs tokyo?
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Diablo-D3: there is more than one yakuza boss, btw
Diablo-D3: but the one you're thinking of, hes actually a pretty cool dude
Vexual: i dont know who im thinking of and i dont want to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00084287 = 4.4672 BTC [+] {2}
Diablo-D3: its who everyone thinks of when they think Yakuza.
Vexual: i didnt know the name before
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00084505 = 7.1829 BTC [+]
Vexual: what a cyberpunk future we live in huh?
Vexual: wonka bars and electric cars
Vexual: global reserve that can change hands anywhere in a second
Diablo-D3: its the end of the old order, and the start of a new.
Diablo-D3: all that will come to pass has been written in the days of yore
Vexual: its still kinda the industrial revolution, were just living on part of the curve thats steep
Vexual: i think it was poescue who said you need three people to be sucessful as an individual these days
Vexual: we live in a fantastic time
Vexual: i wouldnt swap out for quids
Vexual: look how new jumbo jets are
Vexual: radio music was ahead of its time
Vexual: but its not a hive entil theres feedback
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00293971 = 0.3704 BTC [+] {4}
ozbot: BitRegistrar: p2p vital records..
mircea_popescu: gpg has been around for 20 years, pgp for 30, this guy just discovered "bitcoin signatures"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6452 @ 0.00084505 = 5.4523 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: It's our hero, the Egregious Trope-Man! With his amazing trope-related powers, he always saves the day!
mircea_popescu: But oh no! Here comes the Legion of Evil: Dr von Trope, The Dog Kicker, The Chessmaster, Superdick, Mr. Macekre, and the Brotherhood of Bowdlerization, Sir Jerkass, and the villainous Mary Sue! Together they'll bring about The End of the World as We Know It...
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012 = 1.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "To stop the this" ? nobody here has such bad grammar.
ozbot: Bloomberg's Miller Bitcoin Gift Stolen - Business Insider
KRS|Gotyawallet: Winklevoss twins are in the secret group, they told us ETF application has been denied and secondmarket's will soon be shut down, BTC to be banned in the US following China's actions. Thus the reasoning for the orchestration of the 400kBTC dump to happen soon.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2281 @ 0.00012 = 0.2737 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin magazine really needs to get rid of those spammy 'article' ads at the bottom of the page
ozbot: Will Dogecoin Replace Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: dude srsly, this retards wave 3.0 thing is above any predicted high water mark.
mircea_popescu: if post-sell-by date starlets start "leaking" bitcoin tapes i'm gonna hurt some puppies.
mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotyawallet do you generally put a lot of concern into 10 cents ?
ozbot: RSA Response to Media Claims Regarding NSA Relationship » Speaking of Security - The RSA Blog
jurov: don't we have a bitbet about this already?
jurov: such as dogecoin mkt cap > btc?
mircea_popescu: is there any way to reliably measure such a putative mkt cap ?
ozbot: 1180923195.25803 | Next Diff in 1649 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.1862% in 9d 19h 38m 50s
mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotyawallet you seriously failed to notice that "the big move" happened january 2011 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00084478 = 6.9272 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 309 @ 0.0029 = 0.8961 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1781 @ 0.00084478 = 1.5046 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 333 @ 0.00308095 = 1.026 BTC [+] {8}
KRS|Gotyawallet: I agree with you guys, but this time I think even Fontas said its the end.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.309 BTC [-]
KRS|Gotyawallet: I just report the news, I'm not backing it up, interested in comments from you guys because I value your wisdom.
truffles: u should start a news site then :D
mircea_popescu: next you'll be quoting bitcoin foundation, bitcoin magazine and #bitcoin-dev.
KRS|Gotyawallet: i was talking to jurov about a cool project worth looking into using global conciousness project data to compute favorable odds for betting on sites like just dice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00293 = 1.465 BTC [-]
ozbot: Bitcoin Bitcoin Days Destroyed
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin days destroyed will surpass previous record before March 2014
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 205 @ 0.024 = 4.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00084369 = 8.3947 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: Bitcoin Bitcoin Days Destroyed
mircea_popescu: you know, like nielsen ratings / website traffic stats / us inflation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 423 @ 0.00100817 = 0.4265 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2863 @ 0.00040269 = 1.1529 BTC [-] {11}
monolithik: so I was recently reading nick szabo's bgold article.
monolithik: and I wondered, who is this guy? Ignoring the question of whether he is satoshi or not, who is he? Other than his website and blog, he's basically a ghost online
monolithik: I found a conference on smart contracts that he supposedly spoke at, but not much else
monolithik: As far back as 1994 on the cypherpunk mailing list, people questioned whether szabo was a real person
monolithik: "The Szabo tentacle is one of the most persistent of all. Even after"
monolithik: being exposed the `mother monster' continues to post, because a`
monolithik: fairly significant reputation investment has been established under
monolithik: the name. Has strong interest in digital cash. Has admitted to
monolithik: knowledge of fake name use. Probably a T.C.May tentacle.
truffles: having weird interests gets ppl interested in u nowadays hmmm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31399797 BTC [+]
monolithik: I originally thought he was probably real and just very careful about his online presence, but those old cypherpunk emails kind of weird me out.
truffles: guess u dont like tentacle porn :D
ozbot: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke | | Rolling Stone
monolithik: i mean, for a GWU law professor, its quite strange that there is almost no record of his existence.
mircea_popescu: monolithik a better question would be, why;d you give a shit ?
ThickAsThieves: "Though this was not stated explicitly, the government's rationale in not pursuing criminal prosecutions against the bank was apparently rooted in concerns that putting executives from a "systemically important institution" in jail for drug laundering would threaten the stability of the financial system...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's not a joke, it's just there to control poor people.
monolithik: think I just went a bit too deep down the rabbit hole.
mircea_popescu: also, what the fascist media claims and what the reality is divergest vastly.
mircea_popescu: the usg insists to bother foreign merchants with "regulation". this is one step away from everyone just sending it packing. so it agreed to stfu and save some face.
mircea_popescu: hardly anything else than proof as to how the usg is impotent and pointless.
mircea_popescu: if brauer had actually asked for cocaine... it'd have been rejected.
ThickAsThieves: you dont like how we do business, fine we dont want your money
mircea_popescu: more like "you think anyone asked you ? shut up and get out of my office"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.02419615 = 0.6291 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "There is no reason why the Justice Department couldn't have snatched up everybody at HSBC involved with the trafficking, prosecuted them criminally, and worked with banking regulators to make sure that the bank survived the transition to new management."
mircea_popescu: after the strauss debacle, the us as much as trying this will result in the respective agents being shot on the spot.
truffles: that article is pretty crazy, how does one maintain law n order if everyone's corrupt!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31399 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31398998 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1696 @ 0.00309911 = 5.2561 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i seriously wonder at the degree of delusion us press must be belabouring under, to imagine saying " would threaten the stability of the financial system" does not immediately and transparently mapped to "they told us they will fuck us up, permanently. we believed them, because they had a point."
jurov: anyone who does not operate under delusion gets their computers shredded (like guardian) or worse
mircea_popescu: the current crop mostly sounds like they've crawled out of a hipster's arse.
mircea_popescu: o wait, that was the rolling stones not the new yorker
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4705 @ 0.001 = 4.705 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: so like i was thinking of someplace to flee to when the U.S. takes a shit..somlia or some third world country a nigga like me could be living well
truffles: u prob wont be able to leave by then
Nick_Szabo: this article seems dangerous to me in that it wil help Cloudhashing sell more PMBs
KRS|Gotyawallet: lol! at first glance it looks like those contracts will never make roi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.0008454 = 10.1025 BTC [+] {3}
Nick_Szabo: but without secrets people will know the truth!
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00313332 = 0.47 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 348 @ 0.00317397 = 1.1045 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25498 @ 0.00012 = 3.0598 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 300000 @ 0.00012 = 36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 150000 @ 0.00012 = 18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 120000 @ 0.00012 = 14.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00012 = 3.6 BTC [+]
ozbot: Crazy Hacker Wants to Save Bitcoin by Blasting a CubeSat into Space
mikaeldice: Everyone who owns bitcoin is a 'crazy hacker', didn't you know?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00012 = 12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00012 = 12 BTC [+]
pankkake: skateboards? (hackers' number one accessory)
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C065N] 4 @ 0.04544855 = 0.1818 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P065N] 4 @ 0.06218201 = 0.2487 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00012 = 12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31399499 = 0.628 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: I was joking about media stereotypes (and the suberb movie Hackers)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31550001 BTC [+]
pankkake: they have the skateboard age at least
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.3157 = 1.5785 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: no, i meant the idea seemed like a bit of a wank
nubbins`: although i'm now reading some background info on the topic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00293 = 0.1494 BTC [-]
Nick_Szabo: once we get everyone on board, i'll pull the plug
nubbins`: seems like the legal concept of expropriation flies right in the face of the right to property
pankkake: I know a guy with similar ideas (property=everything). gets interesting discussions about exploding couches
nubbins`: well, so i have the right to property
nubbins`: city says hey, lel, we want to do X with your property
Nick_Szabo: the gov also takes life when it sees fit
nubbins`: here's a few bucks, can't say no
nubbins`: here in canada, the government doesn't take life
nubbins`: but the army doesn't kill canadian nationals :P
Nick_Szabo: i was thinking today about whether the whether never changing in area is related to the people never changing
nubbins`: i mean, really, until we got involved in afghanistan and iraq, the canadian army generally didn't kill anyone
nubbins`: anyway, pretty heavy lel that the USA enshrines the right to life in their declaration of independence, but has the death penalty
pankkake: yet issues with abortion and euthanasia! why not kill everyone
nubbins`: pankkake: anti-choice crowd says life begins at conception, right?
nubbins`: consider that more than 50% of fertilized eggs fail to implant in the uterus wall
pankkake: but it's not easy to define "life"
nubbins`: MORE THAN HALF of the "babies" die in the womb fully on their own
pankkake: and then independant life. is the baby a parasite?
nubbins`: "pro-life" crowd gives zero fucks about this
nubbins`: it's almost like it's not about life, but about controlling women's pussies
pankkake: I've spent *years* of my trolling career on the topic - not by choice really, just was the issue we didn't agree on
Duffer1: it's pro life until you're born, then it's "fuck you"
pankkake: of course. everyone has an hidden agenda
nubbins`: it's almost like having to carry an unwanted baby to term is punishment for being a dirty slut
nubbins`: their argument is based in morals, just not the morals that you think they're arguing for :D
ThickAsThieves: they want to be deciding what gets aborted and what doesnt
pankkake: I don't particularly enjoy abortion-as-contraception
pankkake: though less babies is always a win!
ThickAsThieves: itd be a crime if some woman killed your baby, or if some daughter deprived you of your grandkid
pankkake: eh… they might not enjoy it after the fact, sure
nubbins`: anti-choice folks like to pretend that women having abortions think it's all a big lel
nubbins`: failing to understand that it's a life-altering choice either way
nubbins`: consider that canada has no abortion laws whatsoever, and we still manage to have a functioning society
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pankkake: you mean no anti-abortion laws? or can anyone be an abortion provider
KRS|Gotyawallet: Canada is right on..they might be the only ones who know what they're doing.
nubbins`: i mean there are no laws on the books regarding abortion. at all.
nubbins`: obviously you need to be a doctor to perform one
nubbins`: but that's covered by laws about medical procedures
ozbot: Henry Morgentaler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: ^ guy performed over 5k illegal abortions before winning a court case and having the laws struck down in 1988
nubbins`: 20 years later, awarded the Order of Canada for his work
pankkake: had 2 kids still. didn't hate babies enough
pankkake: I only use brain surgeons that are in my web of trust
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00011998 = 2.3996 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0242 = 0.242 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 49 @ 0.00329998 = 0.1617 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00084271 = 3.2866 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00084048 = 5.8834 BTC [-]
the20year: Does the baby get a choice whether they live or not?
the20year: The sperm's owner gets a say where it's deposited
pankkake: at what point your sperm (or its mutation) ceases to be your property?
the20year: and the problem lies that either people are human for a set number of traits, or they are not, and inside or outside the womb isn't much of a qualifier
benkay: or we could just bring back the notion that property is the only constant and that humans too can be property.
benkay: not a terribly popular stance, but resolves this question about who does what with the newt.
pankkake: so all your children are property? until…?
benkay: they can feed themselves?
mike_c: sanity check: bitcoincharts won't give historical trade data anymore? correct?
benkay: i'm sure better criteria can be come up with.
mike_c: their docs still say yes, but the api seems to say no.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00084048 / 0.00084511 / 0.00085172 (805353 shares, 680.61 BTC), 7D: 0.00084048 / 0.00088221 / 0.00091394 (6297937 shares, 5,556.13 BTC), 30D: 0.00077921 / 0.00086938 / 0.00091394 (15661230 shares, 13,615.68 BTC)
mike_c: first unix time is 1387390488, which is pretty far from 1386901071
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00084535 = 5.7906 BTC [+]
mike_c: i will take the silence as "yes, idiot, everyone already knew that".
benkay: it's not like anyone in here actually does anything bitcoin-related ;)
benkay: probably "who knows! nobody in here touches that shit except the MPOE bot..."
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00320909 = 0.3049 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00293 = 0.1084 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.02100001 = 0.84 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: the20year: babies are incapable of making choices
nubbins`: and, fwiw, aren't babies until they've been born
the20year: and the difference between a baby inside a person and a baby outside said person?
Duffer1: oh good, we're still talking about this..
benkay: well, one's intimately attached to the life support system; the other can scream on its own.
benkay: in the womb, noone can hear you scream.
nubbins`: babies cannot scream in the womb.
benkay: i actually have no idea
benkay: always figured air played a role in the production of sound with vocal cords
the20year: They feel pain when they are killed, according to all the studies I've seen
the20year: And not all babies that are born scream
benkay: the cows i eat also feel pain when they aren't killed right quick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00084303 = 15.7647 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: the20year: got a link? curious to read
fiat500: protein with a side of agony
ozbot: Does the Fetus Feel Pain? Summary of a Presentation
nubbins`: 88% of abortions occur before 12 weeks
nubbins`: most after that point are medically necessary
nubbins`: the anti-choicers don't like to talk about that tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00084526 = 6.7621 BTC [+]
the20year: Sadly 80% of abortions could be prevented with free IUDs
pankkake: it seems doctors don't want to give IUDs to females without children
mike_c: and I'll email them and ask them whether they are pro-life or pro-choice.
the20year: Some do, some do not, I know when planned parenthood here in the US offered free IUDs to anyone that wanted them, the rate of abortions in that area went down significantly for quite some time
nubbins`: IUDs are a bit more painful to insert if you haven't had a kid yet
nubbins`: that said, they're more effective than condoms or the pill
nubbins`: relatively inexpensive over their lifespan
nubbins`: and you get to fuck without a rubber.
nubbins`: mike_c: ask if they're anti-life or anti-choice instead.
benkay`: massively reduced hormone load
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jborkl: So, the picture Hashfast twitted - had a metal fork, a tub of popcorn and a case where I could not see a power cord plugged in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.05 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00084034 = 7.1429 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19698 @ 0.00084034 = 16.553 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00084059 = 1.471 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 83 @ 0.0033 = 0.2739 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02419999 = 0.121 BTC [+]
jurov: jborkl, it gonna work on zero-point energy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00084079 = 5.6753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00084173 = 12.7101 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 649 @ 0.0004 = 0.2596 BTC [-]
ozbot: You'll Never Guess Where This FBI Agent Left a Secret Interrogation Manual | Mother Jones
ozbot: Behold: The World's First Digitally Signed International Agreement - Uri Friedman - The Atlantic
jurov: next thing they actually come in WoT
jurov: <estonia>;;rate finland -1 scammers
jurov: (fixed) <estonia>;;rate finland -1 drunk scammers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00084093 = 4.7092 BTC [-]
benkay`: can't get in wot from windows
jurov: you can use wot with btc privkey nao
benkay`: not entirely serious Duffer1
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16231 @ 0.0008402 = 13.6373 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00083951 = 0.5877 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2999 @ 0.001 = 2.999 BTC
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00084254 = 6.1505 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 749 @ 0.001 = 0.749 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 550 @ 0.001 = 0.55 BTC {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2079 @ 0.00012 = 0.2495 BTC [+]
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