benkay`: general heading of "shit this firm is not touching with a nine-meter pole"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You mean you don't run that bot on your nick?
benkay`: ninjashogun weren't you just derping about not having time to derp in irc?
mircea_popescu: benkay` as per the earlier linked tlp article, narcissus got hooked by entity not returning his love.
benkay`: ya it's a pretty strong lure
benkay`: anyways ninjashogun if you want privacy on IRC this is what you do
ninjashogun: benkay` I am making the time, because it is important. I'm also surprised by some of what I have learned about bitcoin-assets.
ninjashogun: For example I thought mirceau completely bootstrapped his thing, had no investors of any kind, since he doesn't deal with them the way startups I've seen do.
benkay`: ask your counterparty to sign a declaration they'll not publish records of your conversation
kakobrekla: what did you learn about bitcoin-assets ?
ninjashogun: Instead he got 30K btc as an investment, valuing his thing at one point around $1B. This is just totally different from what I was expecting.
benkay`: of course, asking for a thing from someone in the WoT without having your own identity is a bit el oh el, but whatever and airplanes etc.
mircea_popescu: you're nuts yo.
mircea_popescu: bootstrapping happened in 2011
mircea_popescu: i can take an investor on any terms i want in 2013, seeing how i'm already valued at a billion, with him or without him.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, sorry, I don't know the details. I just see that you're active on IRC and was just going by how you talk and participate. You also have a lot of time here.
ninjashogun: yes, I agree with you. I was just surprised to learn this!
ninjashogun: It's totally different from the ecosystem I knew before. Also, the fact that you post logs and do a lot via IRC. That surprised me a great deal.
mircea_popescu: i guess you didn't read BingoBoingo's other article
ninjashogun: I haven't finished reading it, no.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00082413 = 4.3267 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway. the arduous task of reading -assets logs / lurking is at least offset by it being... interesting.
ninjashogun: I guess basically I wasn't taking these projects as "seriously" as other parts of the startup ecosystem. But perhaps it's true that "silicon valley has a lot to learn from bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
BingoBoingo: http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/0348247/romanian-bitcoin-entrepreneur-steps-in-to-pay-openbsd-shortfall
ozbot: Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall - Slashdot
ninjashogun: yes, my valuation was informed by lurking in or being in other similar channels on IRC
ninjashogun: well, not "valuation" just what I thought of this channel. By the way this is called 'saliency bias'.
mircea_popescu: perhaps not as similar as all that.
BingoBoingo: Which links to http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/
ninjashogun: No, very different.
mircea_popescu: the great advantage of the irc is its splendid flexibility.
mircea_popescu: like any good tool, it can be used by people as smart or as dumb they may happen to be.
ninjashogun: so, thanks for saving openbsd, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: nao BingoBoingo can run his vax moar.
BingoBoingo: Have to keep the Herd of Vaxen healthy
ninjashogun: I didn't realize you're Romanian either. I thought you were Brazilian :) (I don't speak either portuguese or Romanian)
mircea_popescu: i do.
ninjashogun: just saw romance-language like words that I didn't understand on your blog. (I do speak some French, Italian, Spanish so knew it wasn't those)
Duffer1: MP's library is mostly rosetta stone modules :P
ninjashogun: mirceau, as a Romanian do you hate Hungarians?
mircea_popescu: i don't hate them as a brazilian either.
ninjashogun: :)
ninjashogun: I'm an American but have some background from Eastern Europe. I always wondered about the animosity between some of those countries - and the friendship between the others.
mircea_popescu: it's greatly exaggerated for narrative effect.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, are you one of the richest Romanians by valuation (net worth) or were you around peak BTC price?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. probably.
ninjashogun: it's pretty interesting
ninjashogun: and did you stay there or emigrate?
mircea_popescu: i never emigrated. i travelled plenty tho.
benkay`: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2r63ftbJ91qa7af5o1_1280.jpg
benkay`: score
benkay`: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2rhrxyTeQ1qj4t1so1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m726c01Mfu1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
benkay`: the left, for sure.
ninjashogun: benkay`, the guy in the biker shorts for you, eh? :)
benkay`: really gets me going
benkay`: girl's wearing too much.
benkay`: er
benkay`: not wearing enough
ninjashogun: dear God just closing tabs and saw the slashdot link. What have they done?? http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197077
ninjashogun: what have they done to that poor site
mircea_popescu: web 2.0
mircea_popescu: it's a std.
ninjashogun: I guess I'm one of the 1 in 10 Americans now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00082403 = 4.9442 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: -assets : the gift that keeps on giving
mircea_popescu: please clap.
BingoBoingo: Nothing but STDs here
mircea_popescu: benkay` fucking people. they run into naked girl, their interaction with her is subsumed to futzing with the phone.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
asciilifeform: everyone remembers baron munchausen's horse?
mircea_popescu: bucephalus ?
asciilifeform: nah that's alex
mircea_popescu: waitwat
asciilifeform: the one that drinks
benkay`: mircea_popescu i mean i'd be unsurprised but that's because american men are a bunch of silly effettes
asciilifeform: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/forgottenfutures/munch/cruik4.gif
benkay`: "men"
asciilifeform: horse gets chopped in half and doesn't notice
asciilifeform: keeps drinking
benkay`: also you're probably standing right there taking that photo and shit timisoara's gotta be small enough that everyone knows not to fuck with MP's wimminz
BingoBoingo: moiety: You know about IRC nao... ANd you made yet another chat site?
mircea_popescu: benkay` that was in plattdeutschland
benkay`: still, here you are walking around with this woman in public, taking her photo and photos of everyone's reactions
mircea_popescu: cause i deeply care about everyone ?
benkay`: just out of manners i think i keep walking
benkay`: whatever trip you two are on i am obviously not invited
mircea_popescu: well either keep walking or else, you know, smile at her, do with the eye, tweak her nipple, something.
benkay`: most guys not really having the stones to go for a nip...
mircea_popescu: the oft retold story of me talking the bitches out to frolic in the snow, people with dogs going all stiff, carefully looking away. the dogs, kinda curious hmm... what is with these humans here ? the masters, completely nuts.
mircea_popescu: dog 1 : human 0 fcol.
KRS-One: http://imgur.com/gallery/auQwvPd
ozbot: karpeles finger - Imgur
KRS-One: hah
benkay`: people man
benkay`: they know not to get involved
benkay`: i'm an idiot though
benkay`: look at me, i got involved with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: dat guy looks so french KRS-One
benkay`: FML
mircea_popescu: how's your lisp-of-everything coming along ?
asciilifeform: benkay`: and what about chumpatron
asciilifeform: i think i missed something earlier
benkay`: it comes
benkay`: haltingly
benkay`: ragel requires some oop boilerplate
benkay`: so delegates, implementing interfaces, the whole java shitshow
benkay`: advice of guy looking over my shoulder was to just bite the bullet and do the parser in java
benkay`: would go faster if i could afford to go heads down on it for a month
mircea_popescu hates java
benkay`: dat cube farm stench.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00082549 = 21.7929 BTC [+] {3}
benkay`: asciilifeform: it came up in the context of "things this firm is not getting involved in"
mircea_popescu: tbh : i don't actually hate java,
mircea_popescu: it's whatever, c flavoured.
mircea_popescu: i hate the java machine bullcrap
benkay`: i don't hate it - it's just another dumblang
benkay`: i'm just frustrated by cognitive overhead and limited personal bandwidth/.
moiety: BingoBoingo: there's a difference. you don't always get dinner at the restaurant you work in
BingoBoingo: moiety: Still Doge?
moiety: it works, so who gives a fuck? i honestly think the features we have on that site are much more suited to the doge community.
moiety: like the webcam snaps etc.. what bitcoiners are gonna use that
BingoBoingo: True
mircea_popescu: so moiety is basically discordian and unconformant in absolutely every which way.
wao-ender: lul http://www.romainbrasier.fr/404
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00082725 = 15.9659 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I see it as moiety As seen the Doge and simply found an opportunity for an honest chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha great
asciilifeform: 'honest chumpatron' - like 'pleasurable woodchipper' ?
asciilifeform: or what
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine an honest chumpatron is kind of like an idiot reserve.
mircea_popescu: wao-ender did yo uever finish mayhem ?
moiety: mircea_popescu: in the sense that i can make anything work regardless of personal stance :) bingo's right and you guys allow me to derp around here for some sanity... amazingly
mircea_popescu: moiety just make sure you document well what you do
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo asciilifeform actually, a university (in the classical, functional and ideal sense, no relation to us/uk "college") is the prototype of the honest chumpatron
mircea_popescu: quite respectable, too.
asciilifeform: might be nice to see this one explained
moiety: document?
mircea_popescu: moiety yes, write down what you do. you're the only one doing most of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, ever read villon ?
moiety: yeah, you're right, i really should.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly, no, only here: http://www.ark.ru/ins/lyrics/a/molitva_okudzhava.html
wao-ender: dude, totally want one http://www.skyboximaging.com/products/access
mircea_popescu: you really should, it's quite excellent literature. unlike french cheese, this is passable, and why we tolerate them in europe.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, you familiar with the *medieval* notion that a healthy young boy should learn a trade, and only phtisic good for nothing losers go to university ?
asciilifeform: oh yes.
mircea_popescu: as immortalised say in the romanian saying, "logofete brinza-n cuiu, lapte acru-n calimari, chiu si vai prin buzunari"
mircea_popescu: ok, so going to the university has a cost.
mircea_popescu: yet people submitted to it.
mircea_popescu: willingly.
asciilifeform: not that different from monasticism
mircea_popescu: for the pleasure and enjoyment of... the company. OF OTHER LOSERS LIKE THEM
asciilifeform: (no prizes for guessing why)
mircea_popescu: what, pray tell, is a chumpatron ?
asciilifeform: i sorta tried to explain this in a post
mircea_popescu: i mean there's no requirement that the chump don't enjoy it
asciilifeform: correct
mircea_popescu: or that he regrets the ride after havin been taken for it
mircea_popescu: all that;s require\d is that he can never go back
asciilifeform: casino is an incontrovertible chumpatron
mircea_popescu: which is to say, an entalpic process
asciilifeform: hence 'fuel' analogy
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: perhaps unobvious in the fuel analogy, because the inadvertent reader will think in terms of power
mircea_popescu: rather than in proper thermodynamics notions of reversibility
asciilifeform: thermodynamics notions of reversibility << this was the exact intended meaning.
mircea_popescu: so then we understand each other.
asciilifeform: i did specify that in a chumpatron, vs. an ordinary bioreactor, the fuel /wants/ to burn
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, caught your Romanian sentence. Google Translate offers, "scribes cheese-n cuiu, sour milk-n inkwell, chiu and valleys pockets ""
ninjashogun: :/
wao-ender: wickeeed https://citizenlab.org/2014/02/hacking-teams-us-nexus/
mircea_popescu: logofat = youthful scribe used to take down dictation of his lord and sometimes a little cock.
mircea_popescu: basically, a congressional aide.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, and freshmen don't want to burn ?
asciilifeform: surely.
asciilifeform: uni is certainly a chumpatron.
asciilifeform: as is any army, etc
mircea_popescu: army perhaps not.
mircea_popescu: it actually pays out more than it takes in.
mircea_popescu: it used to be, sure. but now it's more like a welfare programme
asciilifeform: true, there are '+EV' armies
asciilifeform: depends on time/place
mircea_popescu: there used to be. herodotus or who observed that it seems ignoble and unworthy of a man to plow the field
mircea_popescu: when so much wealth can be acquired the proper way
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us has spent more on syria than syria'd cost to buy, whole.
moiety: i don't see the site as a chumpatron, after listening. i just like to make things work is all
asciilifeform: for those who have not read classics, but like pulp sf, this is featured in 'thrones' - 'we do not sow (TM)'
mircea_popescu: moiety i think he was talking about doge
moiety: oh, i hope so. i know he is allergic
mircea_popescu: "magine a large corporate machine mobilized to get you to buy something you don't need at a tremendously inflated cost, complete with advertising, marketing, and branding that says you're not hip if you don't have one, but when you get one you discover it's of poor quality and obsolete in ten months. That's a BA.
mircea_popescu: When we see a welfare mom we assume she can't find work, but when we see a hipster we become infuriated because we assume he doesn't want to work but could easily do so-- on account of the fact that he can speak well-- that he went to college. But now suddenly we're all shocked: to the economy, the English grad is just as superfluous as the disenfranchised welfare mom in the hood-- the college education is just as irr
mircea_popescu: elevant as the skin color. Not irrelevant for now, not irrelevant "until the economy improves"-- irrelevant forever. The economy doesn't care about intelligence, at all, it doesn't care what you know, merely what you can produce for it. The only thing the English grad is "qualified" for in this economy is the very things s/he is already doing: coffeehouse agitator, Trader Joe's associate, Apple customer... and spouse
mircea_popescu: of a capitalist."
mircea_popescu: this is absurdly generous.
mircea_popescu: slavegirl. not spouse.
mircea_popescu: you don't marry english grads.
asciilifeform: where was this
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: the guy has some very specific sexual hangups. it's all centered on rape, can't see violence, can't see submission, he's impacted.
asciilifeform: Butugychag.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10152 @ 0.00082729 = 8.3986 BTC [+] {2}
KRS-One: mircea_popescu I hated Java too, but then once I fully understood it, I was shocked by what it can do and how it works.
mircea_popescu: KRS-One i know people who have to maintain it that are shocked on a weekly basis by both what it can do and how it works.
asciilifeform: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5169 @ 0.00082392 = 4.2588 BTC [-]
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, did you develop the first version of your site yourself? (by hand)
KRS-One: I always thought it was slow, but that isn't really the case. If it runs slow its because someone didn't know what they are doing.
mircea_popescu: i don't code, really.
mircea_popescu: KRS-One i always thought it's insecure, and insecurable
mircea_popescu: many things are not. basic, for instance, is eminently secure.
KRS-One: tbh i dont know much about securing java..that could be.
ninjashogun: so how did you produce the first version of your site? (the very first version, demosntration)
ninjashogun: demonstration*
KRS-One: afaik it could have the same security as a c program running in memory.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun i just did what i always do, told people what to do.
ninjashogun: oh, okay
mircea_popescu: i'm one of those.
ninjashogun: I thought you did understand code quite well though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00574998 = 0.115 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well, that i don't. however, i do understand quite well when i don't understand something.
mircea_popescu: turns out this is actually much more useful.
ninjashogun: yes
ninjashogun: What busienss were you in before this site?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00082759 = 7.7793 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you know... it's not a site.
ninjashogun: company then
mircea_popescu: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/openbsd/
ozbot: Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
mircea_popescu: there, klint has the scoop
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on
asciilifeform: interesting that, afaik, not one one those pieces breathed a word about why openbsd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would they know.
asciilifeform: could, well... ask someone.
mircea_popescu: when i do hidden in plain sight, it's hidden. when the usg tries it, it's snowdened.
kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/zPtT2.jpg
mircea_popescu: game of power.
benkay`: klint's a rad dude
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla now write a pow based on that
mircea_popescu: kakokoin
benkay`: your name came up over beers last night, mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: benkay` mpilf ?
ninjashogun: your name also came up in private chat with BingoBoingo oh about half an hour ago
benkay`: can't imagine that means what the top suggestion from my suggestion machine suggests it means
moiety: that made me dizzy kakobrekla
kakobrekla: free drugs.
benkay`: well klint wanted to know what the deal with this crazy romanian was
benkay`: i said get on irc and say hi
benkay`: ('crazy romanian' are my words)
kakobrekla: (he used 'fucked in the head')
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: hey guise, you really think i'm... eh nevermind
kakobrekla: lmao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.58046764 = 19.7359 BTC [-] {7}
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, my opinion of you changed a lot when I saw what you built by the way.
ninjashogun: you did strike me a kind of crazy but now fuck it.
ninjashogun: Not just due to the valuation either.
ninjashogun: more due to the fact that you have any investors at all lol
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu Why openbsd?
mircea_popescu: hopefully not many more people find out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00082409 = 13.9683 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.575475 = 2.3019 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones cause it keeps the nsa busy while we fuck it raw.
benkay`: mircea_popescu "not in the head!"
mircea_popescu: no, i guess not in the head.
kakobrekla: :D
moiety: careful kakobrekla , soon i'll be needing bigger and more dizzying imgurs for a bigger hit
kakobrekla: lol moiety , those are not free!
mircea_popescu: imgur pimpin
moiety goes to sell her tv
kakobrekla: but you need the tv for it to project the drugs
kakobrekla: jeez.
moiety: omg what am i thinking
moiety: sorry im too wasted fromthe last imgur
kakobrekla: you should be fine in an hour.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00082759 = 4.3035 BTC [+]
moiety: lolol
decimation: ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509819 ☝︎
decimation: asciilifeform I quite enjoy your translations of Herr Tepes
asciilifeform: there's a better one somewhere
mircea_popescu: ya but it's probably not in the wot.
ninjashogun: decimation, why did you quote that?
decimation: the one with the two monks well delinates orthodox Christianity from rapid puritanism
decimation: I thought that there was a parallel there
decimation: one who acknowledges authority but does not acknowledge its wisdom
ninjashogun: so I didn't realize how much money is sloshing around the bitcoin ecosystem. Question: do you think with WoT this ecosystem (e.g. this channel, etc) could substitute for the actual VC market completely?
ninjashogun: e.g. rather than raise $250K via an angel investor, or $4M in a Series A, that both of these could be done 100% via the bitcoin ecosystem?
ninjashogun: including IRC here?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7233 @ 0.0008279 = 5.9882 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: it already does substitute for it completely.
copumpkin: anyone want to start a petition to mircea_popescu to get the word popescuity added back to mpex official messages?
mircea_popescu: just, the vc circus hasn't yet found out, because we don't finance the circus.
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2013#427602 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: decimation is like the lord of the quotes tonight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00082549 = 11.0616 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: I find that after reading an -assets log my mind returns to the original ideas contained therein
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/mind-your-step/ too
ozbot: Mind your step. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.11069871 = 0.6642 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: The Washington DC City Council voted today to significantly ease marijuana laws in the district. By a near unanimous vote, the council ruled that possession and private consumption of the drug in small amounts would be decriminalized.
mircea_popescu: decimation eventually someone will write the grand book of everything, just distil all the 500k lines here into a castle of words.
ThickAsThieves: $25 fine now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.11069871 = 0.4428 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: wow
mircea_popescu: they are going to lose fucking control of that place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'legalization' thing is a sham. it's quite like, if drinking a cup of coffee were punished with $25 fine, but anyone found with a sack of coffee beans were impaled
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is this : they have 6-7-8 mn people packed like sardines in there, like 5k/km2
mircea_popescu: easements like this are very fucking dangerous
mircea_popescu: as per tocqueville's observation, it's not opressed peasants like the german serfs that rebel
asciilifeform: the sardines are already doped to the gills
mircea_popescu: it's relatively easy living french peasants that get an easement, which suddenly makes all restraints unbearable
asciilifeform: ahahaha
asciilifeform: yes
mircea_popescu: so... another couple of these, they're going to end up with hostage senate.
decimation: now that colorado has 'decriminalized' the other states are going to race to the bottom
asciilifeform: the bastards know this, and so all the easements are sham
mircea_popescu: if there's going to be a soyuz of the soviets organised within our lifetimes over there i'll possibly not be able to carry on for laughter
asciilifeform: all this is is an attempt to tax an already plentiful and omnipresent supply of mj
ThickAsThieves: seems harmless to them, whatre a buncha potheads gonna do
decimation: actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw
ThickAsThieves: but potheads also love bitcoin
mircea_popescu: decimation this only seems perfect. it's in fact disastrous.
mircea_popescu: like you know, the state of being locked into the cake freezer seems ideal to the 9yo
mircea_popescu: till the air runs out
ThickAsThieves: <decimation> actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw /// too true
ThickAsThieves: how the fuck *is* someone supposed to be responsible to know what is legal when the line is nothing but blur
mircea_popescu: just buy a judge
mircea_popescu: what was the expression, "roof" ?
ThickAsThieves: the roof is back, carry on
decimation: "trustfullness" is what civilization is built upon
decimation: once everyone assumes that everything is a scam or chumpatron, it's going to be hard to get anything done
ThickAsThieves: like now?
asciilifeform: decimation: not much risk of this
ThickAsThieves: except right now everyone thinks all the scams are truths and truths are scams
ThickAsThieves: it's painful
mircea_popescu: the book of doom after tat
ThickAsThieves: ?
ThickAsThieves: i think about how even the concept of getting pulled over while driving is usually absurd
mircea_popescu: "and then i saw a great vision of everyone's head being screwed in backwards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00083001 = 3.071 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and the clowds did billow smoke"
ThickAsThieves: 5 miles of a speed limit is okay, 10, no way, but it's all just offending a street sign, not necessarily even endangering anyone
decimation: http://www.academic-capital.net/2013/12/trust-of-each-other-is-declining.html
ozbot: Academic-Capital: Trust of Each Other is Declining According to a General Social Survey
decimation: "A poll by the General Social Survey indicates that about 1/3 of Americans trust each other. This is a big step downward from a 1972 survey that indicated that about ½ of Americans trust each other. Around 2/3rds say that ?you can?t be too careful? dealing with others. "
ThickAsThieves: there's a stretch of highway about 2 miles long in FL, where the limit changes 16 times
ThickAsThieves: wtf
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, that reasoning doesn't work in a town (because if you go fast enough whether you run into someone or not becomes a matter of luck), but it does make sense of highways
mircea_popescu: which is why sane people (ie, germans) don't have upper limits,
mircea_popescu: they have lower limits
decimation: the speed people actually travel on a road has to do with its design, not the arbitrary (often retarded) regulatory limits
asciilifeform: in the u.s. speed limits are a bizarrely labour-intensive kind of tax.
ThickAsThieves: agreed, and i think an officer should be human enough to interpret whether someone is actually endangering a situation, over filling a quota for tickets
decimation: officer is in the bureaucrat chumpatron
asciilifeform: alternative is the russian (and most of the world) system, where you can pay him to go away
ThickAsThieves: (no i was not pulled over anytime recently)
ThickAsThieves: my wife thinks a drive too slow, except when i don't see nonsensical speed signs
ThickAsThieves: i*
mircea_popescu: i remember a time when officer was a superlative menschkeit thing
ThickAsThieves: i think he rides every car''s ass, but generally is a better driver
mircea_popescu: finding an asshole officer was like finding a virgin in paris
ThickAsThieves: she
ThickAsThieves: "You are free to choose to participate in the poll or not. Nobody is begging you for your money and I wish we could avoid asking for anyone's money at all to avoid dealing with investors such as yourself. Hopefully if we succeed in listing IPO we will not have you on our investor's list."
ThickAsThieves: guffaw! scammers!
decimation: an actual police force would allocate actual discretion to its officers; chumpatron police have no authority and therefore treat others as the spoiled children they are
mircea_popescu: decimation explai nhow this actual police force works.
asciilifeform: rome -> 'auctoritas', rus. -> 'авторитет', english -> ??????
mircea_popescu: suppose you're advising me as emperor of jormania in the making of my imperial police force.
asciilifeform: because it sure as fuck ain't 'authority'
asciilifeform: what's the word - anyone?
mircea_popescu: automobile
decimation: the master hires a policeman, the policeman acts on the authority of the master
mircea_popescu: well say the population is 1mn.
mircea_popescu: i hire one policeman ?
decimation: if the policeman acts responisbly, he is rewarded, otherwise, punished
ninjashogun: good night
mircea_popescu: wait wait.
mircea_popescu: how do i hire him ?
decimation: certainly not from a 'police academy'
asciilifeform: the policeman acts on the authority of the master << that's 'potentas' not 'auctoritas' !
mircea_popescu: potestas ?
asciilifeform: ah yea
BingoBoingo: I imagine for a proper police force for Jormania, you would at least need two castes working for you. Police Officers and then the lowly police man.
mircea_popescu: well, how do i get these then ?
BingoBoingo: For the police officer you search for people who can maintain their own harem.
decimation: I guess the traditional method is from the children of the local nobles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00082379 = 17.5879 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: so then suppose one day a police officer's daughter falls in love with a lowly police grunt.
BingoBoingo: For the policeman you take the local schlubs and have the officers discipline them
mircea_popescu: because - horrible dictu - he reminds her a lot of her father.
BingoBoingo: I imagine in that case the officer get dismissed
mircea_popescu: you may not readily appreciate the immensity of this problem.
BingoBoingo: Loses their commision
ThickAsThieves: how about you have simple laws that simple men can enforce
ThickAsThieves: anything too complicated to be enforced cannot be law
mircea_popescu: if the slut is allowed free rein, you have just destroyed the separation.
mircea_popescu: if the slut is not allowed free reign, civil war is unavoidable.
BingoBoingo: The slut's free reign comes at cost to the father.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so what do you do when you're invaded by a society which is more complicated ? pray ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo father is dead.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't carry weight in this discussion
ThickAsThieves: not sure what you mean
ThickAsThieves: if yer invaded you fight
ThickAsThieves: if you lose
ThickAsThieves: new rules
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i mean this : that your approach imposes a limit on the complexity of relationships in your society
mircea_popescu: which in turn limits overal complexity in your system
ThickAsThieves: the limit is reality
mircea_popescu: a more complex system could be conceived, and even if it'd work "worse
ThickAsThieves: if it cant be enforced
mircea_popescu: itd still fuck you i nthe field.
ThickAsThieves: how can it be law
mircea_popescu: as it is now.
ThickAsThieves: the curation is in the lawmaking
mircea_popescu: somalia has very simple laws.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00483292 = 0.1498 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Grunt has to challenge an officer's fitness and take their place http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KlingonPromotion
asciilifeform: Obligatory:
asciilifeform: http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo perhaps. what if he doesn't ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm thinking out loud here, neve rput much thought into this topic
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Death by exile?
ThickAsThieves: other than to observe when law goes absurd
mircea_popescu: civil war.
ThickAsThieves: like a hippocratic oath
ThickAsThieves: an officer's job is to help
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you resolve nothing with this bandaid.
ThickAsThieves: if they are helping no one
mircea_popescu: the tension is still there, you merely force people into hypocrisy
mircea_popescu: sooner or later it will blow
ThickAsThieves: why iis the law beig enforced
ThickAsThieves: like a highway stop for 10mph too fast
mircea_popescu: the guy can't evaluate if you were in fact harming no-one
mircea_popescu: that's why he has the law : to not have to do qm
ThickAsThieves: can he evaluate that i was?
mircea_popescu: that you WEREN'T
mircea_popescu: that's your verb
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: wasnt
mircea_popescu: well ya
decimation: mircea, you would give the Devil the benefit of law?
ThickAsThieves: so basically you can't win
mircea_popescu: depends.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not for your definition of "Win" i'm affraid.
ThickAsThieves: i guess the core of this, is i just want everyone to be more intelligent and logical
mircea_popescu: glwt
ThickAsThieves: it'd echo thru all things
mircea_popescu: i want all chicks to be taller.
ThickAsThieves: i can accept harmony isnt possible
ThickAsThieves: but we can certainly do better
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of harmony
mircea_popescu: it's a matter of "let everything be better"
mircea_popescu: well... fuck. why didn't i thinl of that.
ThickAsThieves: to play devil's advocate though, i often contemplate the flipside. As in, usually I feel like my environment is too dumb, but pardon my candor, but would living in a world of #b-a people actually be enjoyable?
decimation: why is your joy their problem?
ThickAsThieves: see what i mean
ThickAsThieves: ;)
decimation: hehe
asciilifeform: ok time for musical interlude.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i came to romania after all.
mircea_popescu: "So start with an interesting hypothetical: does everybody need to work anymore? I understand work from an ethical/character perspective, this is not here my point. Since we no longer need e.g. manufacturing jobs-- cheaper elsewhere or with robots-- since those labor costs have evaporated, could that surplus go towards paying people simply to stay out of trouble? Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where,
mircea_popescu: say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram? Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable? What is the cost? I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. the price of food stamps. Other correct responses would
mircea_popescu: be $700/mo for "some high school" (SSI) or $1500/mo for "previous work experience" (unemployment). I would have accepted $2000/mo for "minorities" (jail) for partial credit."
asciilifeform: russian fellow by the name of D. Starostin did 5 yrs. in a new york prison for attempted murder
asciilifeform: wrote a book.
asciilifeform: 'amer. gulag, 5 yrs on the starred-and-striped cot'
asciilifeform: had a spiffy quote in there
mircea_popescu: not the magnetohydrodynamics guy ?
mircea_popescu: aok
asciilifeform: 'Американец не считает, что человек в форме — бандит, с которым нужно договариваться. Он считает, что это робот, которого нужно бояться. Американские правоохранительные органы способны, искусно нажимая на клавиши многочисленн
asciilifeform: ых законов и предписаний, «оформить» самый незначительный проступок как чудовищное деяние. Фэбээровцам не нужно было избивать Монику Левински или подбрасывать ей в сумочку патроны и героин. Дача ложных показаний — преступле
asciilifeform: ние, воспринимаемое в России как мелочь, — в Соединенных Штатах действительно способна повлечь за собой 26 лет тюрьмы. Тот факт, что речь, по сути дела, шла о молодой девушке, не желавшей признать свою любовную связь с женатым му
asciilifeform: жчиной, в США никого бы не волновал. Принцип машины означает: сделал — получи. Машина неумолима и неподкупна.'
asciilifeform: translation roughly below:
ThickAsThieves: moving to Romania falling on which side of things mp?
ThickAsThieves: people who do whatever the fuck makes sense to them?
ThickAsThieves: i'm not too familiar with the people
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, just, tards.
ThickAsThieves: ah
ThickAsThieves: "I just called Mt Gox asking for my bitcoins..here the recording"
ThickAsThieves: http://www.mtsushi.com/
ozbot: MtSushi
asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or ammunition.
asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.'
ThickAsThieves: "i cant say anything more than on the website"
asciilifeform: (http://flibusta.net/b/247422/read for the linguistically non-challenged)
asciilifeform: lovely illustrations, for those who are.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: i mean, this is oft repeated as a representation of fact,
mircea_popescu: but irl i know of no system more corrupt than reagan's us
mircea_popescu: except of course each subsequent one.
asciilifeform: it's arranged a bit differently.
asciilifeform: you have to buy them in bulk.
mircea_popescu: but you have acces to unlimited credit.
asciilifeform: which is why there isn't really a market
asciilifeform: in the usual sense
mircea_popescu: so then...
ThickAsThieves: i think some people don;t realize corruption has a broader definition than "paid off"
asciilifeform: more like a soviet nomenklatura's grocery store
mircea_popescu: basically the guy spent five years on his cot trying to avoid the realisation that he was a fucking idiot
mircea_popescu: you don't pee on the mains, you plug stuff in.
asciilifeform: nope. chronicle details the fact dawning on him.
mircea_popescu: a so good then
asciilifeform: quoted tidbit was about the futility of simply offering a cop benjamins on the spot to send him off
Duffer1: just searched the church in stick of truth
Duffer1: found 'boy sized leash'
decimation: as you wrote ascii, the chumps grind and chirp as they go through the machine
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the same woman that got punished for failing to admit her sluttery
mircea_popescu: is also legally protected should she wish to go topless parading by the barracks
ThickAsThieves: burn your bra, but don't touch that flag
mircea_popescu: alternatively, "in briar patch, foot hurt ; in forest, head hurt" said the mongoloid.
mircea_popescu: perhaps it doesn't have as much to do with the environment as one'd think
ThickAsThieves: lol twitter is advertising a prospectus to me
moiety: i've been up for two days, im going to bed now, night all :)
ThickAsThieves: Fantex Brokerage Service
ThickAsThieves: nite
ThickAsThieves: Check out the Fantex Vernon Davis IPO on http://fntx.co/OGu8iV pic.twitter.com/eFSyHooy8a
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how fucktarded they have to be to advertise ipos on twitter.
mircea_popescu: i mean a) it clearly labels you as a scammer, as only they do it ; b) it can't possibly give roi, even as a scammer ; c) srsly.
ThickAsThieves: twitter is reduced to being on the ActiveMining board
decimation: maybe they can monetize retweets
ThickAsThieves: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/04/285887838/teen-sues-parents-claiming-they-owe-her-money-for-college
ozbot: Teen Sues Parents, Claiming They Owe Her Money For College : The Two-Way : NPR
ThickAsThieves: Bogaard also "noted that Rachel Canning's behavior over the past year has been in question," reports CBS 2 TV: "one or two school suspensions, drinking, losing her captaincy on the cheerleading squad and being kicked out of the campus ministry."
asciilifeform: log.*assets has borked utf8!
asciilifeform: shame.
ThickAsThieves: i have a new slogan for kako's brand building
ThickAsThieves: Superservitude with an attitude.
mircea_popescu: caning eh ?
asciilifeform: doktor prescribes - gasenwagen.
mircea_popescu: nah
mircea_popescu: cheerleaders should be beaten not killed.
mircea_popescu: you can gas her mom if you absolutely must drakulize
kakobrekla: hrm that used to work.
kakobrekla: it never ends with this log, it ell you.
ThickAsThieves: "You a female; I'm a dude. I'm not learning nothing from you. I just want to see you. So whatever you're talking about, I probably don't really care. I wanna just look at you."
benkay`: curse of the web, kakobrekla
ThickAsThieves: re: why there are no female rappers
asciilifeform: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/anatomy-of-a-fusion-press-release/
ozbot: Anatomy of a Fusion press release | Locklin on science
asciilifeform: 'A NIF whistleblower, Lee Scott Hall, was brutally stabbed to death in 1999. Hall was one of the NIF designers. I didn’t know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasn’t into any shady business, and by all accounts was a straight shooter and a decent guy. This … really looks like a man was stabbed to death for pointing out that NIF couldn’t work (or that the director didn’t have a Ph.D.)
asciilifeform: . Sure, nobody knows who killed him, but this is at least as shady as anything I’ve heard of happening in Russia. This sort of thing has happened quite a few times to whistleblowers at the Department of Energy.'
benkay`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497289.0;all
ozbot: Peter R's theory on the collapse of MtGox and its effect on the price of bitcoin
kakobrekla: Х хЦ цЧ чШ шЩ щЪ ъЫ ыЬ ьЭ эЮ юЯ я
mircea_popescu: " I didn’t know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasn’t into any shady business" << dat fiat wot.
kakobrekla: hm
ThickAsThieves: You should answer "yes" to the whistleblower program question if you wish to avail yourself of these additional confidentiality protections, even if you are not interested in being eligible for a whistleblower award.
mircea_popescu: seriously ? who in his right mind can say this ?
mircea_popescu: then we wonder why locklin doesn't get bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't want to. cause admitting how fucking stupid he is would burn.
ThickAsThieves: Please be aware that these additional confidentiality protections may in some cases limit or delay the SEC's ability to disclose your identity to certain other agencies, regulators or other third parties. For that reason, we suggest you check "no" if you are submitting your information in order to seek our assistance to resolve an issue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00484373 = 0.9687 BTC [+] {5}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from an earlier interaction, i concluded that he gets it but is stuck in the place where you were in 2010 (?)
ThickAsThieves: In addition, if you do not wish to be considered for an award and you intend for us to coordinate with another government agency or regulator, checking "no" may help facilitate this process.
asciilifeform: that is, 'look at the flies, it must be a turd'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but look at it. i used to think i can make such representations of people, until i was about 17 or so.
mircea_popescu: do you know anyone through others who you can vouch for as he does ?
asciilifeform: nope
mircea_popescu: well how can this be.
asciilifeform: NIF remains a boondoggle.
mircea_popescu: no argument
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wut you on about spammor
ThickAsThieves: sry
ThickAsThieves: just thought it was funny
ThickAsThieves: from SEC's report a scam page
mircea_popescu: incredibly arrogant these schmucks
mircea_popescu: "o, we have a webpage". great. so does any 14 yo singer-songwriter.
asciilifeform: 'Two NIF whistleblowers who didn’t die, Les Mikosy and Luciana C. Messina, were ignored, then fired in 2003. They were involved in the code that was supposed to simulate the laser/plasma/X-ray interaction, and detected actual fraud in it. Not a peep from anyone about their assertions, which seem to have been proven true, or the lawsuit they filed against LLNL (it was dismissed; yay objective court system!).'
BingoBoingo: Inner workings of a chumpatron http://www.sbnation.com/2014/3/4/5468468/wwe-pro-wrestling-stories-creative
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how come nobody killed lucy c ?
asciilifeform: why kill when you can 'lower into bitchdom'
mircea_popescu: why didn't they make the straight shooter guy into a twink then
asciilifeform: idk, i wasn't there - but it was either tried to no result, or not attempted for good reason, i'd bet.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps the entire construction is orthogonal.
mircea_popescu: benkay` da fuck is peter r
mircea_popescu: jesus look at that, complete with coelho-esque quotes and the new yorker "narrative" devices.
mircea_popescu: why so many hipsters ?
asciilifeform: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Livermore-Engineer-s-Mysterious-Death-3240466.php
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00082977 = 6.0158 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: my take (You Heard It Here First (tm) !)
asciilifeform: locklin is off the mark
asciilifeform: Hall was zapped because he grabbed the brass ring.
asciilifeform: and threatened to take it somewhere useful
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1970 @ 0.000183 = 0.3605 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: brass ring -> pure laser-initiated fusion
asciilifeform: (not necessarily of the controlled kind)
asciilifeform: thermonuke without fissiles
asciilifeform: holy grail.
mircea_popescu: maybe he got depressed over not finding any nailguns.
asciilifeform: pop one, instant glass parking lot, no fallout
asciilifeform: and no rare materials needed
benkay`: how should I know who peter r is - nobody's paying me for my research
asciilifeform: to build.
benkay`: "research" "swamp wading"
benkay`: "pig wrestling"
mircea_popescu: do you know the traditional first date romanian joke titled "taci si suge" (ie, shut it and suck it!) ?
mod6: haha
benkay`: sounds translation-worthy...
mircea_popescu: bad wolf busts into snow white's cavern, offers her a simple deal :
mircea_popescu: either she sucks him off or he eats her midgets.
mircea_popescu: snow white agrees to suck him off.
mircea_popescu: at some point wolf eats three midgets.
mircea_popescu: "but wolf! you said..."
mircea_popescu: shut it and suck it.
mircea_popescu: so she does.
mircea_popescu: and after a while... the wolf... eats another three midgets
mircea_popescu: "but!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: shut it and suck it!
mircea_popescu: and after yet another while, the wolf eats another three midgets
asciilifeform: underflow!
mircea_popescu: at which point the chick points out that there's only seven midgets and you point out that she shouldn't be making that kind of noise.
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: bout 50-50.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu do the dot test
mircea_popescu: brb gathering dots.
mircea_popescu: 8 · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · D
asciilifeform: there is a related soviet joke. abramowitch (generic jew, not the oligarch) calls a friend who was over for dinner last night:
asciilifeform: 'we're short of a few silver spoons. shame on you';
asciilifeform: friend denies
asciilifeform: next day, A calls again 'we found the spoons. but the stain on your reputation... it remains.'
kakobrekla: ok dunno seems everything works again
kakobrekla: cept the dots.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: see, locklin is no jew.
mircea_popescu: anyway. off to practice with the midgets. gl all.
kakobrekla: ah i see it now its fine, the long just shortened your dick.
asciilifeform: night night
kakobrekla: log*
kakobrekla: fuck
kakobrekla: bad typo
mircea_popescu: and remember : always be nice with all newcomers. they could be as retarded as historically was the case.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00479101 = 0.2635 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.57390463 = 7.4608 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2987 @ 0.00082977 = 2.4785 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00083001 = 7.1381 BTC [+]
Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500633.msg5515929#msg5515929
ozbot: Leancy - Allegedly hacked by their host - Avoid deposits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00082771 = 5.9181 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0048 = 0.264 BTC [-]
Duffer1: Dr. Forehead ouch
BigBlx: yoooooooo
Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498302.0
ozbot: Eternal Bitcoin Bonds by Usagi
Duffer1: ni hao
kakobrekla: ·
BigBlx: did you guys resolve the aurora/litecoin bet?
kakobrekla: ·
Duffer1: brb i feel i may need some popcorn
kakobrekla: thats interesting.
kakobrekla: my dots work, mps dont.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]
Duffer1: how are you creating the dot?
kakobrekla: by pressing on the button :)
Duffer1: on my old keyboard alt0153 at a leisurely pace created ™ just fine, but on my new keyboard I have to type it ultra fast for some reason..
kakobrekla: anyway cyrillic should work nao asciilifeform
Duffer1: bigblx do you have a link for the bet you're talking about?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0048 = 0.264 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 455 @ 0.00088995 = 0.4049 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 122 @ 0.00089 = 0.1086 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14945 @ 0.00083001 = 12.4045 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00479629 = 0.3885 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: •
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0896011 = 0.1792 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00457008 = 0.1828 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: #DangerZone
kakobrekla: ah
kakobrekla: he is talking about THE current bet Duffer1
kakobrekla: which is simultaneously most fucked up bet evah.
Duffer1: the alt coin market cap bet?
kakobrekla: mhm
Duffer1: ya i figured
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21283 @ 0.00083021 = 17.6694 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00082693 = 9.8405 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00083033 = 5.6462 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00576359 = 0.5764 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07699998 = 0.616 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4406 @ 0.00082589 = 3.6389 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00083033 = 7.473 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://www.twincities.com/business/ci_25037984/dont-panic-but-that-public-wi-fi-is
ozbot: Don't panic, but that public Wi-Fi is coming from ... inside your house - TwinCities.com
mod6: ``im fine with it'' << lol derp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00082764 = 5.0486 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59990997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59990989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0008256 = 8.5862 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1944 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1944 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.000825 = 9.5288 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1296 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1296 BTC [-] {2}
pennies: ;-;
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03299999 = 0.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.589 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 998 @ 0.00082764 = 0.826 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57003008 BTC [-]
MisterE: dammit losing money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 996 @ 0.00018 = 0.1793 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 198 @ 0.00479999 = 0.9504 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6318 @ 0.00083033 = 5.246 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: MisterE: In what?
MisterE: fucking nmc
MisterE: had no business in there
MisterE: got greedyyesterday
MisterE: I'm still in the black but...
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Has NMC had any momentum after 2011?
MisterE: Blockchain's news was disappointing
MisterE: yea it did yesterday
BingoBoingo: What news?
MisterE: they are an exchange now
BingoBoingo: Orly?
MisterE: annouced and pre-hyped on bloomberg
MisterE: yea
BingoBoingo: Linx plox?
MisterE: so market shat after that dud
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00082758 = 11.1723 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: benkay
MisterE: dunno wtf people were expecting... Magic The Gathering cards for everyone who had BTC in Gox...
BingoBoingo: ;;eauth BingoBoingo
gribble: Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143
MisterE: ;;eauth MisterE
gribble: Request successful for user MisterE, hostmask MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C97817F2EE7504A3
BingoBoingo: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:6708d41118170ae49785e8fc104616a172d609f0329a1f092a0271aa
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Do you want to try something riskier?
MisterE: lol
MisterE: I didnt say no
MisterE: :p
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Actual returns might be possible.
theviper: Bro., DO you even trade?
BingoBoingo: MisterE: If we can figure out how to make something like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#546112 honest☝︎
MisterE: like day trade?
MisterE: not usually
MisterE: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1bd83fecf4cf9084af386187aa25a12b17cd81f5462d260bd259082e
gribble: You are now authenticated for user MisterE with key C97817F2EE7504A3
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Like staking sports betting, Similar to how poker is staked. The challenge is doing it in a way that the staked party can't fake the results into an honest looking loss.
BingoBoingo: And finding venues to bet on.
MisterE: what BTC really needs is a derivatives market
MisterE: sounds like a major security hassle tbh
MisterE: but I'll read the log give me a few
MisterE: ll :p
BingoBoingo: MisterE: No hassles so much as challenges
BingoBoingo: The challenge in BTC right now is that the only instrument which has really sustained honest loses is the MPOE bond
BingoBoingo: That example I linked in the logs is poorly structured, and in sports betting the actual likely best case is a 30%loss.
BingoBoingo: Poor opportunity.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.0048 = 1.1472 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;rate artifexd_ 1 ATC trade
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate artifexd 1 atc trade
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate mircea_popescu 6 Rating upgraded for continued excellence in Bitcoin ventures
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 6.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate benkay 2 Good at things he does
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user benkay has changed from 1 to 2.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 The Real Altcoin's Mother
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate kakobrekla 5 Superest Superservant
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 5.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate paraipan 0
gribble: Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.
BingoBoingo: ;;unrate paraipan
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for paraipan.
BingoBoingo: ;;unrate thebutterzone
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for thebutterzone.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate thebutterzone 1 sells things
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thebutterzone has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00463034 = 0.2825 BTC [-] {2}
dub: ;;rate BingoBoingo -1 suspected spammer
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: ;;rate dub 1 Not stinky
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dub has been recorded.
jurov smells BigoBoingo
jurov: aww... booze
BingoBoingo: jurov: I dun smell too good right nao
BingoBoingo: I drank vodka and ate a half wheel of Maytag Blue cheese.
BingoBoingo: Imma be lucky if my farts don't kill me before I wake up tomorrow afternoon
jurov: don't fart near open fire
BingoBoingo: I'll try not to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00083029 = 4.7327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00083052 = 5.4814 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00463034 = 0.551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.0008302 = 8.2605 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2060 @ 0.00083007 = 1.7099 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4840 @ 0.00082811 = 4.0081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00082808 = 3.4365 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00082747 = 8.5229 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3293 @ 0.0008266 = 2.722 BTC [-]
adrrrr: #bitcoin Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0429998 = 0.258 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2360 @ 0.00082648 = 1.9505 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00479975 = 0.3696 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.0047 = 0.4982 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.0008948 = 0.2684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0008306 = 4.7344 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59449498 = 1.189 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00479985 = 0.2928 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07550007 = 0.3775 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07500017 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 54 @ 0.00298018 = 0.1609 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07237016 = 0.579 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07211225 = 0.1442 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0720415 = 0.2161 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5799 @ 0.00082811 = 4.8022 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.13361787 = 0.2672 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so i have a short statement re : http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/
mircea_popescu: it will resolve as yes presently. coinmarketcap.com is henceforth banned as a source on bitbet.
mircea_popescu: sorry, sanity. i tried.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00479989 = 0.2688 BTC [+] {2}
punkman1: oh MazaCoin is 5th in volume now, http://coinmarketcap.com/volume.html#mzc
punkman1: and here is aurora for spain, http://spaincoin.es/
mircea_popescu: by now you can just edit the page, write random numbers. just as reflective of reality.
punkman1: pretty much
mircea_popescu: they should probably relaunch as a wiki, "the fake mkt cap numbers anyone can edit"
punkman1: there's like 3 dozen altcoin "exchanges" ready to add any random scamcoin
mircea_popescu: we need price signal, this is ridiculous
mircea_popescu: i mean, intellectually ridiculous. back in 2011 bruce wagner's antics made bitcoin easy to dismiss as "that cp ring"
mircea_popescu: now this bullshit makes bitcoin easy to dismiss as "indian highschool tomfoolery"
punkman1: "mine MinerTokens, rent more mining power to mine more MinerTokens to rent more mining power to mine more MinerTokens..... You can see where I'm going with this."
mircea_popescu: heh
punkman1: surprised there's not a dozen of these already
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00089498 = 0.179 BTC [+]
punkman1: "Our minerrigs will be avaible for rent from launch. A total of 1.6 Gh scrypt will be rentet out for 50,000 MTK/Mh/day. When your total rent pass 1000 Mh you will be the legal owner of a 5Mh rig. You can then chose to continue let us host it and get 80% of the rentalprofit or you can get it shipped to your door"
mircea_popescu: which one is this ?
punkman1: the MinerTokens
mircea_popescu: wait, literally minertokens ?
mircea_popescu: jesus.
punkman1: you pay in minertokens to rent minertoken mining rigs
punkman1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483295.0
ozbot: [ANN][COM] COMRADE - New Innovative MinerStakeholder Concept - Profit for People
punkman1: these guys want 0.1btc to let you mine or something
punkman1: "-StakeHolder-Miners pay a fee of 0.1BTC to register. Miner-Stake holders who pay the fee for early mining access will be known as THE GENERALS"
punkman1: "COMRADE crypto movement designed to replicate the economic tactics used by the Comrade leaders of the USSR to rise the Soviet Union from the Ashes to what become the most powerful nation in the world (at the time)."
mircea_popescu: no
mircea_popescu: you're kidding me right ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00082983 = 11.2027 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697949 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16327 @ 0.00082936 = 13.541 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i had bet yes on the areolacoin bet btw
ThickAsThieves: i saw no other outcome
ThickAsThieves: comrade coin says "COMMUNIST" on it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697537 = 0.154 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0008291 = 7.0059 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.0046 = 9.2 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2750 @ 0.00452665 = 12.4483 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00450334 = 4.5033 BTC [-] {11}
punkman1: ThickAsThieves: maybe ATC needs some dice http://altdice.net/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00082687 = 7.6485 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697229 = 0.1539 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: know someone reputable to make/run it?
cazalla: at what point do these alts collapse under their own weight?
dub: when the one true altcoin rises to engulf them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697227 = 0.1539 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0057499 = 0.1092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3329 @ 0.00082582 = 2.7492 BTC [-]
punkman1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476411.0
ozbot: MuCoWa - A MultiCoinWallet to your service - Update now: 1.3.0 Quark added
punkman1: "Since the code is obfuscated, would it be possible to monitor the web traffic going out from the wallet to make sure it never sends private keys anywhere?"
mircea_popescu: winner.
mircea_popescu: cazalla about 18 weeks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00083063 = 4.8177 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ya well, so good for you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00451 = 0.1804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.000831 = 12.3404 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: soo apparently the niagara has frozxen over
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2572681/Niagara-Falls-comes-frozen-halt-AGAIN-subfreezing-temperatures-freeze-millions-gallons-water-normally-flow-Falls.html
ozbot: Niagara Falls comes to frozen halt AGAIN as subfreezing temperatures freeze water | Mail Online
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.0045 = 0.9855 BTC [-] {4}
chetty: 23% thought an "MP3" was a "Star Wars" robot
chetty: 42% said they believed a "motherboard" was "the deck of a cruise ship"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6442 @ 0.00082552 = 5.318 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1022 @ 0.00018777 = 0.1919 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.0445 = 0.1335 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00082817 = 8.3645 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16202 @ 0.00082505 = 13.3675 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09199995 = 0.368 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00464998 = 0.3487 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1502 @ 0.00018799 = 0.2824 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: https://medium.com/p/b64cf5912aa7
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]
chetty: The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online.
asciilifeform: chetty: this is not news to me
chetty: well the tape is news :P
mircea_popescu: the tape is news.
asciilifeform: yes, it is.
asciilifeform: (but not in the u.s. media, unsurprisingly.)
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: nsa shills.
asciilifeform: 'SSL is one of very few crypto systems that’s in daily usage by hundreds of millions of people. Remarkably, it seems that governments have not compromised the infrastructure.'
asciilifeform: trololol
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: well yeah, most governments haven't.
asciilifeform: 'Usability studies have shown nobody outside of the tiny security community understands the web of trust or how to use it.'
mircea_popescu: euros because they're too lazy to do it, and prefer to suckle on the us drip,
mircea_popescu: and north korea because too stupid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :D chump selection techniques.
asciilifeform: 'It’s not clear how you would build a secure way to initialise the Trezor, as you’d need to use an untrusted computer to present trusted keys into the device. A virus (MITM) could intercept and rewrite the keys as they were being loaded into the device. Unless you had key fingerprints written down on paper, it’d be impossible to notice a mismatch. Pre-agreed root certs installed at the factory solve this
asciilifeform: problem.'
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: there are 2 sorts of people in this world, and they're made apparent by the reaction to the statement "few understand this"
asciilifeform: this is just too good
mircea_popescu: type 1 is no longer interested. type 2 is now very interested.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8687 @ 0.00082483 = 7.1653 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: maybe one/both of you should write a rebuttal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.0008246 = 10.225 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: before he takes the bitcoin jesus torch
asciilifeform: why now and not after
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4463 @ 0.00082483 = 3.6812 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: parachutes?
asciilifeform: btc jizzus is no catastrophe
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: who are you quoting anyway
ThickAsThieves: hearn
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> [15:03:49] this is just too good // it is
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: https://medium.com/p/b64cf5912aa7
ThickAsThieves: "Anyone can buy or sell the currency, but the Lakota are keeping half of it in reserve in order to prevent the wild speculation that has caused Bitcoin such price volatility. ... After an hour of questions, Harris thanked the small crowd and was promptly accosted by a tall man and a woman in red who wanted to buy some MazaCoin, which Harris was selling for 10 cents apiece. The two
ThickAsThieves: trailed him around the room as he hunted for a printer so he could issue the digital currency on paper. "
ThickAsThieves: ...
ThickAsThieves: "We’ve gone through 100 years of imposed poverty. That’s the fight we’re having"
asciilifeform: the traditional de-colonialization move from imposed to... self-imposed
ThickAsThieves: "CIA officers allegedly hacked into the US Senate Intelligence Committee's computers to find out what the oversight committee had found out about its controversial detention and treatment of terror suspects.‬"
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, thanks for the link
Apocalyptic: this Hearn is a gold mine
mike_c: "being a CA involves tedious, mind-numbingly repetitive yet security critical work that unpaid volunteers are ill equipped to do well. " has he ever gone through the process of getting a SSL cert?? they don't do shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2930 @ 0.00082724 = 2.4238 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: they're experts at vacuuming $$$$$
mike_c: the bullshit per line in that article is astounding.
chetty: A Florida woman has gone head to head with a local judge who has declared her efforts to live off the grid illegal and in violation of local and international code ordinances.
ThickAsThieves: i dont even know what a SSL really does, nor am I a programmer, but I have successfully purchased and installed one on a system I advised the client was not really secure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10070 @ 0.0008262 = 8.3198 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: chetty: link ?
ThickAsThieves: it took like 5min
chetty: http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/12/16/florida-city-evicting-woman-for-living-off-the-grid/
punkman1: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/behold-arscoin-our-own-custom-cryptocurrency/
ozbot: Behold Arscoin, our own custom cryptocurrency | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: chetty: surprised ?
ThickAsThieves: asscoins heh
ThickAsThieves: buyer of coingen.io http://super3.org/
ThickAsThieves: he looks like he's 17
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 497 @ 0.0045 = 2.2365 BTC [-] {7}
chetty: asciilifeform: nope it was inevitable really
ThickAsThieves: "I asked my wife what she would trade for 5,000 Arscoins. Her answer: “A kiss?” Boom! A market had been created." lol
asciilifeform: chetty: beautifully described in 'The Art of Not Being Governed', J. C. Scott
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lmao hearn.
Apocalyptic: "The user experience must be incredibly simple", "The main justification for this design choice is usability. In the same way that security cannot be bolted on at the last minute, the reverse also holds — you can’t bolt usability on to a secure system that was designed without human beings in mind"
Apocalyptic: I see a powerfull parallel with http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ here
mircea_popescu: mike_c he's just trying to misrepresent himself into relevancy
Apocalyptic: yeah don't focus on how shit has to be done, focus on the people fss !
mircea_popescu: pretty much the foundation halmark. it's due to the failure modes of the ycombinated mind.
mircea_popescu: wait i wrote that ?!
asciilifeform: 'a secure system that was designed without human beings in mind'
asciilifeform only designs for fellow Orcs
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, no the quotes are from Hearn
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i was shocked at the trilema link
mircea_popescu: i totally forgot i wrote that article.
mircea_popescu: i write too much ;/
mircea_popescu: nice article.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00082858 = 5.5929 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/31875/
asciilifeform: original:
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=GHXSmNEg
Apocalyptic: interesting
r3wt: ;;bcauth r3wt
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7abdae0508ae0bf19ba9ddebfc0b68c090c3f35af9f2e9230dd4db47
r3wt: greetings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00082967 = 3.775 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: hi
r3wt: hello super hackers
r3wt: i seek knowledge of prepared queries in php
r3wt: because i am not worthy
r3wt: and so i fail
chetty: Former IRS official Lois Lerner pleading the Fifth right now. <<< again
Apocalyptic: <r3wt> i seek knowledge of prepared queries in php // what happened to the LUA version ?
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zmgiq/new_side_channel_attack_that_can_recover_private/
ozbot: New Side Channel Attack That Can Recover Private Keys : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: by guess who
ThickAsThieves: Hearn
asciilifeform: cache diddling is old hat.
ThickAsThieves: by guess what
ThickAsThieves: OpenSSl
r3wt: lua version is here
asciilifeform: i don't see a Hearn in that paper
ThickAsThieves: sorry, he's the one sharing it
r3wt: still working on the php version though as it could be along time until the lua version is actually ready for production.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.0008314 = 3.7829 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol r3wt
r3wt: anyone wanna buy some fee shares? we're broke and need some more "development money". and by development money, i mean money to pay ourselves and buy more shit.
Mats_cd03: what are you building
mircea_popescu: and what are fee shares
r3wt: same thing we've been building.
r3wt: https://openex.pw
Mats_cd03: lua based exchange?
ozbot: OpenEx
punkman1: you share the fees of running the exchange
r3wt: started as php, now moving to lua
Apocalyptic: r3wt, you should IPO on MPex
r3wt: isn't that a scam?
Mats_cd03: did you use bootstrap for the frontend
r3wt: lol no, thats all from scratch
r3wt: ive never used bootstrap
r3wt: bootstrap is for the design challenged
Apocalyptic: <Apocalyptic> r3wt, you should IPO on MPex
Apocalyptic: <r3wt> isn't that a scam? // kako you need to bash this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
r3wt: how does one "IPO on MPEX" and what are the benefits of doing so?
punkman1: r3wt: so are you currently smashing strings together to make SQL?
Mats_cd03: same as a usual IPO. raise virtual buttcoins
r3wt: unfortunately yes. that's why i'm here. i know mircea_popescu probably knows how to teach me to do it the right way
jcpham: mircea_popescu absolutely loves to teach people
jcpham: arguable one of his finest talests and favorite past-times
jcpham: *talents
Apocalyptic: yeah he does
Apocalyptic: though after you called his thing a scam not sure he will be most pleased and willing
jcpham: if i send monies will you thern reinvest my monies in riskier ventures
r3wt: Apocalyptic, i was talking about his securities exchange. i'm talking about the negative stigma associated with bitcoin ipo's
r3wt: wasn't**
Apocalyptic: r3wt, how is it worse than actual shares ?
Diablo-D3: yeah, fuck bitcoin IPOs
Diablo-D3: its not worth the trouble
ThickAsThieves: mp can handle noobs calling mpex a scam
Diablo-D3: no legitimate investors
jcpham: unless D3 mining on nvidia
Diablo-D3: all trolls expecting 1000% profit
Diablo-D3: in a week
jcpham throws money at million dollar datacenter
r3wt fails
Apocalyptic: in the way you get a contract, shares are traded on an 3rd party platform hopefully better built and you got access to liquidity you don't have at your exchange ?
Diablo-D3: jcpham: Im just doing it myself now
Diablo-D3: so much easier
Apocalyptic: among other things
jcpham: i'm teasing but at least you got the reference
jcpham: cool beans
ThickAsThieves: no one will accept an OpenEx IPO right now, other than CryptoStocks
ThickAsThieves: but then you'll be rubbing elbows with every scam of the week
r3wt: fuck that
r3wt: would it be wise to sell a portion of my business for capital?
r3wt: we have a few offers, none of them very good but i'm examining my options.
Diablo-D3: r3wt: dude
r3wt: i don't want to go back to hanging chickens at tyson
Diablo-D3: this is a fucking irc channel
Diablo-D3: and wtf is your business anyhow?
r3wt: this is an IRC channel? no fuckign way!
jcpham: tyson got bought by koch
Apocalyptic: r3wt, somehow since mcxnow came with the idea now it's seems to be a trend
Apocalyptic: *it
r3wt: please never compare us to mcxnow
r3wt: we aren't here to scam, we just needed start up money because we are poor fucks\
punkman1: https://github.com/r3wt/openex/blob/master/models/funcs.general.php#L116
jcpham: mcxnow is legit compared to whatever this is
r3wt: and look, we actually delivered some
jcpham: at this moment
r3wt: its not great yet i know, but we are working hard everyday
jcpham: you need traction not publicity
jcpham: an organic userbase
punkman1: r3wt: that doesn't look very responsible
Diablo-D3: r3wt: what the fuck is your company
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00083062 = 2.035 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: ill fund you if you have 7% profit month over month for a year
jcpham: https://openex.pw/
Mats_cd03: thats how investing works right
r3wt: any advice punkman1?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0045 = 0.225 BTC [-]
punkman1: r3wt: mysql_real_escape_string is deprecated, maybe suspend trading for a while
jcpham: need moar pipe
r3wt: i meant advice on how to make prepared statements, because i'm actually just a noob with a dream. no college education, just read a book about php
ThickAsThieves: <r3wt> its not great yet i know, but we are working hard everyday // who is "we"?
artifexd: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is not identified.
r3wt: but yeah, i can shut the exchange down at anytime
jcpham: that's the gox and others example
jcpham: whoopsie. halt trading
r3wt: done
jcpham: all btc lost
ThickAsThieves: r3wtm the problem is you are a noob voluntering to be responsible with people's money, which noobness, particularly of the programmer variety, is least qualified to do
r3wt: trading is closed for now, this is my goal for the day. learn to use prepared statements and replace them throughout the site.
ThickAsThieves: taking investors piles it on
r3wt: any advice?
r3wt: or maybe a link to a guide?
r3wt: fuck it, i guess like everything else in life i have to learn this on my own.
r3wt: no worries
r3wt: i have one question. is mysqli safe enough or should i go for the pdo extension?
jcpham: normally i get paid to pick stuff apart
artifexd: r3wt You're asking programming questions in a channel about investing. Stackoverflow would be a good place to find answers to the type of questions you're asking.
punkman1: php.net has all the examples you need
r3wt: i'm banned from asking questions on stackoverflow
r3wt: i think
jcpham: wow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.0008314 = 4.5311 BTC [+]
artifexd: What's your so username?
Apocalyptic: jcpham, this gets better every line
jcpham backs away from the keyboard
artifexd: http://stackoverflow.com/users/2401804/r3wt
ozbot: User r3wt - Stack Overflow
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust r3wt
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: well i mean in principle, but gotta build up first.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does one get banned on stack overflow
r3wt: i'm not banned, just banned from askign questions. look at the first two questions i asked and it should be all you need to know
r3wt shuns himself in the corner for 10 minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9096 @ 0.00083159 = 7.5641 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4654 @ 0.00083195 = 3.8719 BTC [+]
artifexd: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/86997/what-can-i-do-when-getting-we-are-no-longer-accepting-questions-answers-from-th
ozbot: What can I do when getting "We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account"? - Meta
jcpham: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jcpham to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 25 via 23 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jcpham&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8981 @ 0.00083 = 7.4542 BTC [-] {2}
jcpham: sometimes i look at these trust graphs and ratings and i see emotion
mircea_popescu: sveet love an' devotion
nubbins`: hi
jcpham: hi nubbs
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2l6CPna4M
ozbot: Worst music video ever - YouTube
nubbins`: came across this ^ last night
nubbins`: actually a pretty rad song
nubbins`: music video sucks tho ;(
jcpham: is it better than walls fall out
nubbins`: probably
nubbins`: it's just WAITING to be covered
jcpham: without the video, if i only heard it I would think it sucked less than i now think
jcpham: because i saw the video
nubbins`: nod
jcpham: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2l6CPna4M
ozbot: Worst music video ever - YouTube
jcpham: nope
jcpham: not that one clipboard
jcpham: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZLl1CUT9s
r3wt: damnit to hell
ozbot: Walls Fall Out - OFFICIAL - YouTube
nubbins`: i was about halfway through my first viewing before i stopped laughing at the video and realized the song was awesome ;(
jcpham: that one clipboard, that one.
nubbins`: ooo, sign in to confirm my age!
jcpham: mmmmhmmmmm
nubbins`: AAAAAH
nubbins`: that was a dirty trick D;
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00449999 = 0.108 BTC [-]
jcpham: i thought we were talking about the worst music videos ever
jcpham: i had a suggestion for that topic
nubbins`: i was just sharing a cool song D:
jcpham: yeah me too!
nubbins`: DDDDDDDDDD:
mircea_popescu: Someone stupid will ask me this: "then why doesn't Medicaid just offer a billing code for "need three evaluations, but likely no diagnosis?" Because if Fox News got wind that Obama was paying for black people to get "no diagnosis" they'd blow up an abortion clinic. Paying for "temper tantrums" is just the right amount of enraging, TV and internet enraging, no violence will occur. "Isn't this why we need universal he
mircea_popescu: althcare?" Well, lieutenant, pronounced like I'm a British naval commander, if we had a system of healthcare in which doctors were paid the exact same regardless of diagnosis or severity, then there'd be little attention paid to "correct" diagnosis, all of our epidemiological data would be totally invalid, and the number one drug in America would be Xanax. "Wait, isn't that the situation now?" Huh, nailed it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more tlp ?
mircea_popescu: yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00082967 = 1.6179 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/doomsday-cult-of-bitcoin.html
ozbot: The Doomsday Cult of Bitcoin -- Daily Intelligencer
mircea_popescu: check out this derp
Apocalyptic: my derp counter has overflown with Hearn today, i'll pass
mircea_popescu: "Partly this is because lawmakers and regulators, spooked by early hype and the Mt. Gox disaster, are never going to afford Bitcoin services the kind of autonomy they'd need in order to flourish. Partly it's because there are conceptual problems with the Bitcoin architecture itself. And partly it's because Bitcoin's anarchic roots are too fringe to draw in the masses. In the mind of the average American, the currency i
mircea_popescu: s now synonymous with theft, drugs, and techno-wizardry. These impressions do not a global currency make."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00082792 = 5.7954 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: for the record, dear regulators : it comes out of your skin, either way.
mircea_popescu: make it pleasant on yourself or not, lube up or not, whatever suits
mircea_popescu: but the cock is going in.
nubbins`: techno-wizardry
mircea_popescu: imagine, you know ?
nubbins`: http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/technowizard.bmp
mircea_popescu: i mean this is total libertard school of denial. it just so happens that theft, drugs and techno-wizardry is the EXACT recipe of mainstream worship
nubbins`: that's about what i had in mind
mircea_popescu: this guy is basically saying that bitcoin is a distilate of all rappers, all wall street and all silicon valley
mircea_popescu: and then pretending like this is a bad thing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6vh58LPXM1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
Mats_cd03: r3wt, i would recommend reading several books about secure coding and learn how to use an auditing tool like burp
r3wt: i decided i'd just hire a professional and try to learn from whatever example he sets
nubbins`: lel i can hear pascale humming that jan terri song from downstairs
Mats_cd03: going from php to lua is an odd choice and doesnt inspire anyone with confidence in your ability to secure their funds
Mats_cd03: security requires design and architecture, so maybe you should read books instead of writing code at this stage
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03, r3wt: to learn 'secure code', spend a few years as a lowly 0day hunter
Mats_cd03: i wouldnt recommend that
r3wt: i am taking myself out of the equation for good of the project
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00449999 = 0.45 BTC [-] {3}
Mats_cd03: that journey is unforgiving and uneducational if youre not clever or connected to people better than you at it
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: how to find if you're clever without trying
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574943 = 0.5749 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: reading CVE reports, studying 0days and proofs of concept, crackmes, compiler books, r/reverseengineering
Apocalyptic: I used to do a lot of crackmes back in the days
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: studying classic examples only takes you so far
asciilifeform: doesn't teach the process of how they come to exist
Apocalyptic: do as in solving and creating the challenges
Mats_cd03: thats what the foundational books are for
Mats_cd03: i advise building a serious knowledge base in one subset of sec before getting into anything else
r3wt: thanks for the advice Mats_cd03
deadweasel: what's everyone's take on the folks at ##security?
Mats_cd03: dumb
asciilifeform: can't say, never saw.
Mats_cd03: i lurk there and i rarely see any good conversation
r3wt: bullshitters
wao-ender: v0v https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
deadweasel: i agree on all counts, but it's not to say you can't comb the logs for some direction.
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 662.37, vol: 17860.37014311 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 639.899, vol: 16064.3695 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 661.4999, vol: 14587.05392498 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 674.0, vol: 46.86848963 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 671.0, vol: 10.01218267 | Volume-weighted last average: 654.689264159
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00082989 = 6.8051 BTC [+] {2}
deadweasel: then again, i'm not 'savvy'
nubbins`: savvy and sapient share a root
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.004401 = 0.7482 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14481 @ 0.00082817 = 11.9927 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00440011 = 0.2288 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.13311598 = 1.198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00439891 = 0.3255 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu So has the #ImpotentAlliance invaded the Ukraine Soviet Republic yet or we still talkin' ?
mircea_popescu: Bit Power @Mircea_Popescu Still talkin' -- Russia threatens to confiscate U.S. assets....
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu Pity the US wasn't keeping it all in #Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: also, i'm with Mats_cd03. asciilifeform's ideas are tailored for the 1%. nttawwt, but kind-of dangerous if you're not in.
Mats_cd03: im all for the beauty of discovery, hacking, and all that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read some old posts this morning. you are using 'crystal space' - written by the sadly famous taaki ? this does not bother you ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the same sense using bitcoin "written" by the sadly famous taaki doesn't bother me.
Apocalyptic: "<QuantumQrack> No, I'm saying the true leaders have massive power. But in a cryptocurrcency wold....the mass has the power."
Mats_cd03: many people need structured learning to progress further
asciilifeform: i guess i'm just terrible at measuring which miscreants are dumb enough to be harmless
mircea_popescu: adding to that : generally at the fruit stand, the peaches which have all the bugs swarming in are the best.
asciilifeform: this also works at the turd stand
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic so let the mass think it has power, and then get indignant whenever mpoe-pr shows up.
Apocalyptic: sounds like a plan
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform true, true
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07260022 = 0.726 BTC [-] {8}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 1% & comsec - one needn't be a historic champion to learn basic things
asciilifeform: i keep trying to wake people up to this fact
mircea_popescu: yeah, they would.
asciilifeform: usually to no avail
mircea_popescu: that's the thing. basic things are only accessible to the very very elite.
mircea_popescu: for instance, tell me what is a number ?
asciilifeform wakes up herr peano's zombie
mircea_popescu: compare basic and lisp. there is NOTHING basic about any one basic instruction
mircea_popescu: they're all complex porrige of many things.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, explain something truely basic, like say lambda, to the basic crowd.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57654522 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: any child who played 'mad libs' (or whatever it's called on the other side of the atlantic today) can understand 'lambda'
mircea_popescu: but thats quite besides the point
Mats_cd03: http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2014/03/2000-nhs-security-vulnerabilities-disclosed/
mircea_popescu: because most children' maturation requires they become socially inserted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00449953 = 0.3375 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: lol wordpress
mircea_popescu: which requires them acquire proficiency in a number of porriges
mircea_popescu: by the time which is done... well... good luck.
mircea_popescu: "These flaws were discovered passively using the information which was returned by the web server following a normal request. I have not exploited any of the holes found."
mircea_popescu: how you know the author lives in a fascist state.
Apocalyptic: .d
ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 1245 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.7517% in 8d 7h 16m 20s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00449301 = 0.1168 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: sometimes simple crap is actually... simple
asciilifeform: what can be more straightforward than 'SKI combinator' calculus ?
asciilifeform: or here's a fun variation on the theme:
asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iota_and_Jot
ozbot: Iota and Jot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00449879 = 0.3374 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4829 @ 0.00082587 = 3.9881 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07698379 = 0.3849 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.08960102 = 0.6272 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: winklesvii to the moon! http://winklevosscapital.com/posts/78649481042
Apocalyptic: altcoin is going to da moon too I heard
benkay: r3wt: read this for some perspective on your choices: http://www.michaelbromley.co.uk/blog/65/confessions-of-an-intermediate-programmer
Apocalyptic: benkay, he left
benkay: ;;later tell r3wt: read this for some perspective on your choices: http://www.michaelbromley.co.uk/blog/65/confessions-of-an-intermediate-programmer
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: thanks, Apocalyptic
asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/goxcoin/
ozbot: Implosion of Bitcoin Exchange Spawns Mutant Digital Currency | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2014#495815 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: what have i done
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah they got bailed in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see ? the real nsa is always listening.
mircea_popescu: this is an ancient greek idea. careful what you say for the gods may be short of inspiration
asciilifeform bows in respect to my happy invisible friends
ThickAsThieves: "Using a technology called Mastercoin, the Goxcoin people would mint a brand new digital currency"
ThickAsThieves: The derp compounds
asciilifeform: chetty: wake me up for the beheading vid.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mastercoin is a technology ?
mircea_popescu: chetty obviously. they had to be pretty fucking stupid to not realise that "independent" military has no problem doing it.
chetty: will do asciilifeform, probably a couple days, must draw out the drama
mircea_popescu: but no, cheeky un, "we are bureaucrats so we matter"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they ain't beheading them, just keeping them on ice for a few weeks.
mircea_popescu: "ty for having improved our negotiation position"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.40070057 BTC to 3`643 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: damn, there was, going 'hedsoff.com'...
asciilifeform: * there i was
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18476 @ 0.00082909 = 15.3183 BTC [+] {2}
deadweasel: SomeSubjectiveSomeObjective . 3 hours ago
deadweasel: I endorse this, and I've already started development on Goxcoincoin, set to go live when Goxcoin is hacked into bankruptcy. Goxcoincoin will allow people to buy interests in Goxcoin assets.
deadweasel: lol
mircea_popescu: deadweasel tell him it's supposed to be goxgoxcoin
mircea_popescu: not goxcoincoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: mastergoxcoin?
chetty: eeww just the name makes me queasy
mircea_popescu: aurogoxmasternextripple
mircea_popescu: should be good enough
ThickAsThieves: areolanipples
ThickAsThieves: i'm having a Java install feedback loop :(
chetty: Three third-grade students at a Sonora elementary school were busted for smoking pot in the school’s bathroom last week.
chetty: you touch Java?
ThickAsThieves: only for one thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00083204 = 9.8181 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: which is now telling me i need to update, after every update
mircea_popescu: update the updater
ThickAsThieves: don't have enough updateupdatecoins
benkay: http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/#c2561
ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3072 @ 0.00082509 = 2.5347 BTC [-]
benkay: poor mods
benkay: poor -pr
mike_c: so now it depends on definition of "ends up", cuz aurora is tanking.
benkay: nah it resolved
mike_c: ah
benkay: mp caved on the coin v scam situation
benkay: hey kakobrekla mircea_popescu when do we see costs of mods in bitbet statements?
mike_c: it's tough being judge & jury. not a job I envy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0890005 = 0.356 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay prolly never.
benkay: mircea_popescu why is that?
mircea_popescu: mike_c http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#547210 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: benkay roughly for the same reason tyhe cost of mp as ceo doesn't show in s.mpoe's books
ThickAsThieves: Since Feb 28, 2013 until Feb 26, 2014, ASICMiner has paid out over the past year:
ThickAsThieves: Total: 220,909.62 BTC
ThickAsThieves: Per Share: 0.6135/Share
ThickAsThieves: Average Weekly Payout: 0.0118/Share
BingoBoingo: So since Arscoin is Webwallet only... How long until CondeNast goes Inputs.io? http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/digging-for-cryptocurrency-the-newbies-guide-to-mining-altcoins/
benkay: mircea_popescu the mods are paid in shares, then? the mods are you and kakobrekla then?
ThickAsThieves: Today is also my official first day not being tied to AM in any way anymore
ThickAsThieves does a little dance.
mircea_popescu: benkay nenver underestimate the advantage of a harem of slaves.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00449765 = 0.2249 BTC [-]
nubbins`: tat, are congratulations appropriate?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC
mircea_popescu: well it's not bad, overal it paid in dividends way more than it originally cost
mircea_popescu: so it's one of the few happy stories in btcland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00083055 = 5.6062 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: too bad btcland had to drive it up to 5.5btc
mircea_popescu: ya well
mircea_popescu: btcland wanted to show mp oneup
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/ << check out latest bets
mircea_popescu: NO NO NO NO NO
mircea_popescu: bitbet denial
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09099999 = 0.182 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: hehe mostly me
ThickAsThieves: letting it ride
mircea_popescu: On October 26, 2005, [drug rep] Mr. Caronia went to Dr. Charno's office. He had never met Dr. Charno before, nor had any previous contact with him but for the phone calls from Dr. Charno seeking a promotional speech. During the meeting, Dr. Charno repeatedly asked Mr. Caronia off-label questions and asked to meet Dr. Gleason [a speaker for the company.]
mircea_popescu: Dr. Gleason eventually came, and, in the presence of Caronia, had a discussion with Dr. Charno about off-label uses for Xyrem (insomnia, restless legs, etc). Is Caronia responsible? Should he have stopped Gleason? The court said yes, and convicted him.
mircea_popescu: The trick was, Dr. Charno was actually a government informant. That's odd. And I have never heard of a doctor who requested a promotional speech. He cold called a rep he had never met and asked to meet him to discuss a drug he had never prescribed?
mircea_popescu: The third witness presented by the United States Government was the confidential informant, Dr. Steven Charno. After pleading guilty to medical insurance fraud stemming from his criminal act of filing fraudulent medical insurance bills in the amount of $821,000.00, Dr. Charno cooperated with the United States Government against Alfred Caronia.
mircea_popescu: I thought I was reading the script for a bad cop movie. Did the government use a plea agreement to force Charno to help the government capture drug reps that he had never even met?
mircea_popescu: check that shit out lmao
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the future use of all the two bit scammers i nthe history of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: so i guess... don't deal with known scammers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10597 @ 0.00083248 = 8.8218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2778 @ 0.00083055 = 2.3073 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.091 = 0.273 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.thestreet.com/story/12509084/1/overstock-ceo-expects-bitcoin-derivatives.html
ozbot: Overstock CEO Expects Bitcoin Derivatives - TheStreet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00566001 = 0.1132 BTC [-]
lalusch: Would anyone be so kind and give me a link to information on the Scharmbeck scam? lost track of this whole thing about a month ago
mircea_popescu: lalusch which one is that ?
chetty: haha so many scams. so little time
lalusch: sbfs on cryptostocks?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol derp.
mircea_popescu: lalusch possibly nobody here keeping track of individual cryptostocks scams
mircea_popescu: the entire thing just melds into one big scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00082494 = 8.5381 BTC [-] {2}
lalusch: yes, thats what i'm feeling too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
lalusch: anyone got information on when CBTC will pay dividends for february
mike_c: ;;last seen kakobrekla
gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8322 @ 0.00082975 = 6.9052 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lalusch no. they do not publish either reports or any sort of sensible anything.
mike_c: ;;seen kakobrekla
gribble: kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 1 second ago: <kakobrekla> mhm
lalusch: :(
mircea_popescu: all they do is crap like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.msg5224850#msg5224850
lalusch: but actually this makes them even more credible for me
Apocalyptic: huh how so ?
deadweasel: i can't see how, pls explain, lalusch.
lalusch: giving the exact dat of dividend payment could make the stocks price crash 2 minutes after div payment as just 1 bigger player has to sell then, on such a low volume
lalusch: get what i mean?
lalusch: sry for english
mike_c: no reason for it to "crash" more than the dividend payment.
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: dividends mean everything!
ThickAsThieves: Beth Jacob, who has served as Target's chief information officer and executive vice president of technology services since 2008, is vacating both positions and departing the company immediately. According to CEO Gregg Steinhafel, the retailer has already launched a search for an interim CIO to help steer Target through a major security overhaul.
lalusch: yea they do
ThickAsThieves: Target info/sec is headless!
lalusch: nobody is going long term in cryptobiz
deadweasel: lalusch: how do you mean their bitcointalk post makes them more credible?
mircea_popescu: lalusch that's nonsense, really.
mike_c: guy i know who works in it security consulting says he is drowning in work b/c of target.
ThickAsThieves: well that's forumite logic
mircea_popescu: all mpex companies have their div dates announced as per contract, in the past two years there has been exactly 0 of the stuff you talk about.
ThickAsThieves: more posts, more trust
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.0044003 = 0.4444 BTC [-] {3}
Apocalyptic: ^
ThickAsThieves: the more numbers included in posts, more trust
lalusch: deadweasel, must have gotten me wrong. I did not mean the bitcointalk thread
ThickAsThieves: (numbers do not have to represent reality, or be good)
lalusch: i meant the fact that they dont announce the exact date for dividend payment
mircea_popescu: methinks ThickAsThieves is a little jaded these days
chetty: aren't 'regular' stocks div dates legally required to be published?
mircea_popescu: lalusch yeah but still there should be a "no later than 5th of the month" or something
ThickAsThieves: well look where i spend my time!
deadweasel: ^
deadweasel: it can't be helped
lalusch: i totally agree
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i hear this is how people end up with eating disorders
ThickAsThieves: i could stand to lose a few
mircea_popescu: mike_c didn't they recently lose a db ?
mike_c: just lost a little personal data on 110 million customers.
mike_c: basically everyone in the US got issued new credit cards after that one.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/12/and_now_the_pharma_pendulum_sw.html
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Expendable; Or, And Now The Pharma Pendulum Swings Back The Other Way
mircea_popescu: this is a fucking epic article.
mircea_popescu: wanna understand why the finance people keep falling out of windows ?
mircea_popescu: there's the blueprint.
mircea_popescu: mike_c finding a way to paper over the fact that they STILL do not wish to use security is going to take some effort.
mike_c: just hire a new CIO! chopping a couple heads fixes everything.
asciilifeform: they STILL do not wish to use security << re: Target ?
chetty: more good reasons to avoid plastic fiats
asciilifeform: there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything.
nubbins`: lel, so we outsourced some printing to this company in california. 14% of the order is missing when it arrives -- no explanation, no "we'll get the rest sent out soon", just numbers changed with a pen on the packing slip. i emailed company, they say "oh sorry -- we'll get the rest to you by march 24"
asciilifeform: 'identity theft' is only possible because they wish it to be.
nubbins`: almost a month late
nubbins`: when i inquired about a partial refund, they offer me $20
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes
nubbins`: not the $113.50 that the missing tanks cost
nubbins`: a fucking jackson.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so sue.
asciilifeform: quite a few people don't seem to understand the implications
nubbins`: i'm giving them one more chance before i issue a chargeback
asciilifeform: it isn't just the fact that money lenders like that, though i refuse to borrow a million, some other fellow can swipe my driver's license and do it for me
jcpham: woohoo chargeback!. talk with your monies
asciilifeform: it's also the fact that the alternative is a mercilessly-cryptographic concept of identity
asciilifeform: as depicted in 'Shall Be Delivered'
nubbins`: already talking with my voice, too -- just blasted them on one of the bigger t-shirt printing forums
asciilifeform: where if someone has your key, / they are now legally you /
nubbins`: generally fulfillment companies have a forum presence, will be interesting to see if they respond there
deadweasel: nubbins`: after you chargeback, cancel the card and link them to your posts.
asciilifeform: * musical interlude * - 2047: mr. barack hussein IV was six foot tall at the time of his coronation, but lost his key - inscribed on a napkin - and unfortunately / bifurcated / two years later. he is now five foot eight, half-chinese, with a red beard.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6634 @ 0.00083227 = 5.5213 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'mandatory gladiatorial combat following bifurcation was introduced in .... due to ...'
asciilifeform: 'there were five contending forks; two boys clutching old-fashioned xerox copies and ...'
asciilifeform: * end of musical interlude *
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything. <<< nod
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Are they in the WoT?
nubbins`: no reason why my credit card number can't be a "master key" and i just generate one-time-use cc numbers for purchases
nubbins`: other than the fact that the current system favours the issuers
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you know the reason
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if you refuse to buy a Boeing, some other fellow gets to, in your name
nubbins`: cost of fraud detection / prevention > cost of chargebacks
asciilifeform: then go and prove that you didn't
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: unfortunately, i'm the only t-shirt provider in the wot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chinese ppl can't have red beards.
asciilifeform: ahahaha china lost its national key
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8373 @ 0.00082947 = 6.9452 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: and an irish kid found it
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what, and s.nsa is a trillion dollar company ?
mircea_popescu: and then obama has to ask mp's permission on irc to do shit ?
mircea_popescu: IMPOSSIBRU
nubbins` scrolls back in search of the bit he missed
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I run a billion dollar ATC hedge fund for a private client
asciilifeform: zimbabwe dollars?
BingoBoingo: Does the dollars origin really matter?
asciilifeform: http://www.amazon.com/Zimbabwe-Trillion-Dollar-Bank-Uncirculated/dp/B002X1970I
ozbot: Amazon.com: Zimbabwe 100 Trillion Dollar Bank Note 2008 Uncirculated: Everything Else
mircea_popescu: the other zimbabwe
artifexd: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Did what he said he was going to do
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
asciilifeform: for the aficionados: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/chronology-of-ukrainian-coup.html
mircea_popescu: "Welcome to the forum. MPOE is our most accomplished scumbag, a rumored child pornographer and a confirmed idiot. His business model is simple-minded: talk shit about everyone else to avoid scrutiny. Because he has no dignity or good breeding, he basically sells stock in himself, a sadistic, sexually confused Romanian Mafia reject. Anything he says can be disregarded, you won't miss anything valuable."
mircea_popescu: check that shit out yo!
asciilifeform: '... the judge then ruled that the death of a keyholder at the hands of his fork is to be considered 'assisted suicide.' when he finished belting out the last verse of Modified-Karatsuba Anthem, his secretary drew her Nagant... '
asciilifeform: (NYT, 2031)
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: from whence came that virtiol?
deadweasel: vitriol*
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5529878#msg5529878
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, but it sounds like some pirate investment banker.
jcpham: if they really really knew gox was a shitshow 6 months ago...probably should've told someone
deadweasel: wow, that's ripe
deadweasel: thx
BingoBoingo: Probably have to be a pirate investment banker to remember all of the slurs
jcpham: but i didn't bother going to the forum
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that was my logic.
asciilifeform: '... courtroom recording showed that the last verse of the multiplicand was, as witnesses had claimed, sung in unison by the beautiful young fork.'
benkay: asciilifeform have you been reading Pynchon lately or something?
asciilifeform: benkay: nope.
asciilifeform: just read 'shall be delivered' a year or so ago
asciilifeform: and now had occasion to remember.
benkay: he has good musical interludes.
benkay: you're approaching his degree of surreality in the musical numbers
asciilifeform: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/
ozbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet
benkay: oh, i'm familiar.
benkay: have you read Gravity's Rainbow?
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: tried to once, and barfed
benkay: snob
asciilifeform: i even own a little book on SNOBOL. so clearly.
mircea_popescu: hahaha
r3wt: ;;bcauth
gribble: (bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.
r3wt: ;;bcauth r3wt
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ea53a1cdfc650f1dad400d92a3cea88d4a1ac8960d422ac09a915b8c
asciilifeform: benkay: nothing surrealist or otherwise inaccessible sans-hallucinogens about the snippet above
asciilifeform: comparison with pynchon et al is unwarranted
asciilifeform: entirely logical premise, just like 'Delivered'
benkay: just the musical number.
asciilifeform: benkay: what, Modified Karatsuba Anthem?
asciilifeform: merely a way to multiply bignums using your 'language cortex', every child knows it
asciilifeform: (starting 2017, aha)
nubbins`: haven't read any pynchon
nubbins`: a friend did his thesis on the crying of lot 49
asciilifeform: me neither
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 123 @ 0.00445344 = 0.5478 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 460 @ 0.00436999 = 2.0102 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: see, people laugh, but i intend to make that universe happen.
asciilifeform: lessee who laughs then
asciilifeform: wonder what the author of 'delivered' would answer to that.
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zm1v5/today_i_logged_onto_my_computer_and_found_none_of/
ozbot: Today I logged onto my computer and found none of my bitcoins were stolen. : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: "Much like Samson, asciilifeform had become the fork of the entire United States Supreme Court. Being of advanced age the Justices were no match for asciilifeform as he defeated each in success in the Singles combat described in the protocol for fork resolution."
nubbins`: lel, title says it all
BingoBoingo: The supreme court accepted no cases the following term after the court's decision that paper on ink is not an adequate signature.
mircea_popescu: not bad
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyzr4whCAN1r9cf4co1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: new and improved scotus, post stan
mircea_popescu: (shirt means assent, no shirt dissent)
benkay: "What anointed property is bestowed upon “dollars” which, being absent from bitcoins, precludes their usefulness? If you would not even eat your supper without the government first giving you its blessing, then I feel sad for you, for you are truly under a dismal spell and, and suffer a strange kind of man-in-the-sky worship."
benkay: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-biggest-challenge-educational-technical/
asciilifeform: ahaha
BingoBoingo: Briefs and documents to be filed in plaintext or AMS TeX
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6366 @ 0.0008311 = 5.2908 BTC [+]
nubbins`: http://journals.lww.com/jonmd/Abstract/publishahead/Safety_and_Efficacy_of_Lysergic_Acid.99925.aspx
ozbot: Safety and Efficacy of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide-Assisted P... : The Journal of Nervous and Ment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00083004 = 17.0158 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: first controlled study of lsd in what, 40 years?
nubbins`: s/of/involving
mircea_popescu: i dunno, iconducted a few
mircea_popescu: i guess 1st published
BingoBoingo: State courts in Texas, Montana, and California have decisions vacated after cheap imitation Cardonos were issued to justices and their keys were solved. The resolution of their forks is ongoing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cardanos? you clearly didn't read the intro carefully.
nubbins`: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1036 @ 0.00082871 = 0.8585 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what next, arithmometers?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: but were they controlled?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Imitations, I.E they went to classical NSA approved competitor for device with a pretense of similar function
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im a control freak.
nubbins`: why did i even ask ;D
BingoBoingo: And what's really wrong with arithmometers? Workings are easy to verify.
asciilifeform: not as good as the 'anthem', where if one bit of result is off, it no longer rhymes.
BingoBoingo: Bugs in an arithmometers are correctable with Fresh brass embouches and a bastard file
asciilifeform: (if i could sing it to you, this would be an engineering project rather than a flight of imagination.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.00298018 = 0.1192 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00298018 = 0.298 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: In other news Idiot aligns with Idiots, suprised when Idiot gets burned by fellow idiots http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/78609330103/the-btc-foundations-power-struggle
mircea_popescu: lawl.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00082647 = 6.9423 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: His reponse of aligning himself with still bigger idiots suggests further lulz ahead.
benkay: i had a lot of fun saying 'scam' at the local bitcoin enthusiast part last night
benkay: "ethereum?" "scam!" "mastercoin?" "scam!" "let me guess - bitcoin foundation?" "SCAM!"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the lulzy part is where he presents vouchings from... none other than... our friendly radiologist-in-training, one brian goss
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.0425 = 0.8925 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: MyBitcoin 2.0
BingoBoingo: It is one thing to leak the Petagon papers. It is a road further though to leak the Pentagon papers and run for President on the credentials of having leaked the Pentagon papers.
BingoBoingo: This socialwebtwatter BBQ is really letting people lie far to much to themselves about their place.
mircea_popescu: word.
mircea_popescu: yet if you were to poll the "community", snowden'd be the most likely to succeed as chief of the USSS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07689997 = 0.1538 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: oh geez, wsj bit http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/05/auroracoin-already-second-biggest-virtual-currency-and-its-not-even-out-yet
ThickAsThieves: they promote coinmarketcap the same day bitbet blacklists it
ThickAsThieves: cmon now "(This ranking excludes the digital currency Ripple, whose market cap of $1.6 billion does not make for a fair comparison. Most ripple coins are retained by the issuing entity under a centrally managed model that’s very different from the decentralized networks employed by other alt.coins.)"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07005308 = 0.2802 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: like auroracoin?!
benkay: hysteresis
benkay: mainstream catches up to scams just as scamwatch nukes 'em
BingoBoingo: I imagine BitBet is going to have to blacklist the WSJ as a source nao
jcpham: ripple!
ThickAsThieves: "Its creator, who goes under the pseudonym of Baldur Friggjar Odinsson,"
mircea_popescu: benkay hysteresis indeed
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no it already was
ThickAsThieves: As for the pseudonym – a tactic reminiscent of that of Bitcoin’s mysterious, unidentified creator, Satoshi Nakamoto, auroracoin’s founder says, “The agents of the state will attack anyone challenging their power, so I chose a name from Norse mythology to shield myself from such attacks.”
ThickAsThieves: lol
asciilifeform: he'll be plugged with a mistletoe arrow ?
benkay: i'll play loki
benkay hucks dart
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10013 @ 0.00082722 = 8.283 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: aahaaa http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/sat-to-drop-essay-requirement-and-return-to-top-score-of-1600-in-redesign-of-admission-test/2014/03/05/2aa9eee4-a46a-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html
asciilifeform: '....college admission test.... a major overhaul intended to open doors to higher education for students who are now shut out.'
mircea_popescu: so it's no longer measuring anything at lal.
ThickAsThieves: "will dwell less on fancy vocabulary" obviously
ThickAsThieves: fancy?
mircea_popescu: so none of that faggoty complex words and whatnot
ThickAsThieves: anything difficult or inconvenient is now fancy
mircea_popescu: shorter word.
ThickAsThieves: fancy jobs for fancy people with fancy cars and fancy coins
mircea_popescu: fancy that!
nubbins`: tickles *my* fancy
ThickAsThieves: and fancy is only in it's infancy
ThickAsThieves: its
ThickAsThieves: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/05/congressman-calls-to-ban-u-s-dollar-in-response-to-bitcoin-ban/
ozbot: Congressman Calls To Ban U.S. Dollar In Response To Plea For Bitcoin Ban | TechCrunch
ThickAsThieves: yuss
ThickAsThieves: “The clear use of dollar bills for transacting in illegal goods, anonymous transactions, tax fraud, and services or speculative gambling make me wary of their use. Before the United States gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans,” said Polis.
the20year2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMTgbDAS-c
ozbot: Final Rehab Video for Mill street - YouTube
the20year2: There's the final rehab video for a property we just got done. Total cost to investors was $62.5k
ThickAsThieves: shouldnt total cost be communicated in bitcoins spent?
the20year2: Well, otherwise it was about 100btc
asciilifeform: 'Experts say SAT scores have long been strongly correlated to family income, a dynamic the College Board hopes to shake up.'
mike_c: they want to shake up the correlation between higher income and better education?
mike_c: start smacking rich kids in the head on birth?
kakobrekla: mike_c you rang m'lord?
asciilifeform: 'harrison bergeron' (k. vonnegut)
ThickAsThieves: they want to shake it up by maksing that it exists
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: which if they succeed might just result in the discriminating colleges using more discriminating methods
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08900166 = 0.534 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07005308 = 0.1401 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com < there you have it, props to pankkake .
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27066 @ 0.00082595 = 22.3552 BTC [-] {3}
bitcoinpete: nicely done, and howdy
bitcoinpete: and ty kindly for the "subscriptions" mention
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wait what's the new piece ?
kakobrekla: hum?
mike_c: very cool. love the keyboard shortcuts.
asciilifeform: in the link
kakobrekla: mike_c pankake did it
kakobrekla: asciilifeform last blog post from benkay ?
mircea_popescu: lol polis is cool.
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's unfair for richer people to afford better things. consequently, nobody wants to get rich anymore, and economy stops.
mircea_popescu: whoops, who could have foreseen this problem ><
mike_c: 'correlation found between lambos and higher income. gov't plans to correct this'
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5527318#msg5527318
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves any merit to all that ?
asciilifeform: mike_c: new product to address this Great Product: TrabamBourghini
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: trabant engine, plastic body
mircea_popescu: o god
asciilifeform: *Problem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i spilled. trabambourghini is like the best car name ever
asciilifeform: ye heard it here phurst.
mircea_popescu: http://acidcow.com/pics/25481-super-hungry-pig-5-pics.html
ozbot: Pig Eating a Car (5 pics)
assbot: Last 20 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1691452/plain/)
kakobrekla: !b 20
asciilifeform: Trambo, short.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 43 @ 0.02010767 = 0.8646 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: so the owner is a trabambourgher ?
Namworld: [15:03] <mircea_popescu> mike_c it's unfair for richer people to afford better things. consequently, nobody wants to get rich anymore, and economy stops.
Namworld: Thank you. Sums it well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07699996 = 0.77 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: people seriously misunderstand why trabant was a laugh
asciilifeform: it wasn't simply because it was a plywood jalopy with a grass cutter engine.
bitcoinpete: because you had to wait a decade for one?
asciilifeform: rather, because it was a car for people who can't afford car.
bitcoinpete: like the CarPlay thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3976 @ 0.00082391 = 3.2759 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: sorta like an automotive altcoin
Namworld: If people are paid as much as they produce, then there's the choice of not doing anything, or wasting effort for no profit. Economy doesn't runs and we return to self-sufficience (where everyone can finally be "paid" as much as they produce, literally.
mod6: this was posted in -otc: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/05/congressman-calls-to-ban-u-s-dollar-in-response-to-bitcoin-ban/
asciilifeform: no one bothers to laugh at chinese moto-rickshaw, because it doesn't pretend to be a car
bitcoinpete: probably why the tata nano failed
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves any merit to all that ? /// i'm not sure i even understand what that is. The thread isn't moderated, but maybe someone reported a sock ot something? I had the poster on ignore already fwiw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 54 @ 0.0055 = 0.297 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: well some drama i have no diea
ThickAsThieves: i think its just socks socking socks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00082391 = 3.9136 BTC [-]
deadweasel: hey I heard you like socks, so I put some sock in your sock, on some socks. they're in your laundry basket. derp.
deadweasel: the forums are festering with it
deadweasel: course I only go there when links are dropped here for humor.
deadweasel: ha, just overheard our designer say '
deadweasel: You're preaching to a deaf choir' i don't even....
benkay: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 289085 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1218 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3974059069.89 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.14955
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00082586 = 12.1814 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 134 @ 0.00555348 = 0.7442 BTC [-] {7}
ThickAsThieves: pretty small change
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 916 @ 0.00517851 = 4.7435 BTC [-] {8}
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty says 15%
ThickAsThieves: sorry 12%
mircea_popescu: benkay i dunno how much stock i can put in your branson=businessman theory
mircea_popescu: seeing how his main contribution is branson's guide to making a small fortune from air travel
mircea_popescu: ("start with a big one")
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 303 @ 0.005 = 1.515 BTC [-] {3}
bitcoinpete: branson seems more to invite other entrepreneurs to start companies and rent the virgin name
bitcoinpete: then break off subsidiaries when they get too big
bitcoinpete: all while he bungee jumps, etc
benkay: i dunno he seems to have stacked some piles of fiat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699999 = 0.154 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: So did Madonna and PT Barnum
benkay: yeah huh how did he pile all that up
BingoBoingo: The Circus bsns
benkay: ah well, back to javascript hell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2459 @ 0.00082391 = 2.026 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: On the recent theme:
bitcoinpete: http://worldpulse.com/campaigns/www/www-women-weave-the-web-campaign-prizes
ozbot: WWW: Women Weave the Web Campaign Prizes and Opportunities | World Pulse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21728 @ 0.00082841 = 17.9997 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: on hold with ebay for 25 minutes now
nubbins`: i pity the poor fucker who ends up answering
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13051754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00082391 = 9.6397 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6sx6psCfB1ru15g3o1_500.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00447994 = 0.1299 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04298 = 0.1289 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04299999 = 0.215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00082391 = 11.2052 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00447994 = 0.2464 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00566001 = 0.1698 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 927 @ 0.00082859 = 0.7681 BTC [+]
deadweasel: mod6: that article is so full of misrepresentations and misunderstandings... there isn't anything there. at all.
benkay: another one of yours, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: na
deadweasel: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/05/congressman-calls-to-ban-u-s-dollar-in-response-to-bitcoin-ban/
ozbot: Congressman Calls To Ban U.S. Dollar In Response To Plea For Bitcoin Ban | TechCrunch
deadweasel: so lame, hurts to read
deadweasel: i'm physically hurting right now
mircea_popescu: deadweasel this is like the 3rd time today you know
mod6: sorry. just was like 'heh'
deadweasel: nope
deadweasel: frankly I'm saving the logs for when one of you enterprising fucks puts consolidates and puts them into a book, as a sort of People Guide to the History of Bitcoin.
deadweasel: damn words.
deadweasel: also, apparently, I could use an engrish teacher.
mircea_popescu: it's hopeless, there's like 10-20k pages already
mircea_popescu: 50 fucking volumes for a coupla years ?
deadweasel: no no, highlights, tell it as a story, connected, but with the cruft removed.
deadweasel: like a book of letters, highly edited for cruft
deadweasel: you could sell an elite version with PMs that people donate.
deadweasel: wait no, verification impossibru
Mats_cd03: you could if you verified with both parties
mircea_popescu: basically this could feed 50-100 english major chicks.
mircea_popescu: i guess you gotta do something with the ones not pretty enough to dance nude in the street.
Mats_cd03: a book about bitcoin would suck anyway
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 sorta like books about the 60s. they sucked balls, but as the people who were actually involved went senile,
deadweasel: everyone deserves a shot, no? plus, she may write the story so well you want to fuck her.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd generation had no idea so it all seemed great to them
Mats_cd03: dudes in chat rooms talking about cryptography and gettin monitor tans
mircea_popescu: as opposed to what ?
Mats_cd03: i promise you once the average person sees the word cryptography theyre going to put the book down
deadweasel: considering what the forum consumes, i think it'd be a hit.
deadweasel: fuck, Mats_cd03 i see your point
mircea_popescu: average person ? what the fuck is this, the libertard dystopia ?
mircea_popescu: i never heard anyone rejecting a book idea on the grounds that goats wouldn't read it.
deadweasel: it's all in the editing.
deadweasel: yhou could have a techno savvy version
deadweasel: a laymans version
deadweasel: all edited. laymans version gets different edits
deadweasel: a drama version
deadweasel: a troll version
deadweasel: a shockdoc version
mircea_popescu: a french version...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08901005 = 0.178 BTC [+] {2}
CheckDavid: Mats_cd03: I won't put the book down but I won't understand much of what's next either
deadweasel: that's IRC for ya
Mats_cd03: lets face it, most people would have to read a book before reading _that_ book
mod6: srsly
deadweasel: depends on the editing, but you have a point
deadweasel: introductary version would sell the most copies then.
Mats_cd03: someone in this channel could write the book
Mats_cd03: whichever of you has been here the longest and is unemployed
deadweasel: ummm, there might be a few more requirements
deadweasel: mpoe-pr should do it along with all her other womanly duties.
Mats_cd03: sounds like a shit job
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00433449 = 0.6285 BTC [-] {8}
deadweasel: lol, affliate program: http://www.idiotsguidetobitcoin.com/
Mats_cd03: who wants to read forum comments by teenagers for hours as research
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2055 @ 0.00421645 = 8.6648 BTC [-] {14}
deadweasel: definitely not this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183728.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3358 @ 0.00082903 = 2.7839 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.0042 = 1.344 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3832 @ 0.00410031 = 15.7124 BTC [-] {12}
Mats_cd03: a topic-specific book would definitely be good though
Mats_cd03: i think the community needs it
Mats_cd03: something cohesive like "bitcoin personal security for dummies"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2048 @ 0.00401424 = 8.2212 BTC [-] {8}
deadweasel: oh man, this thing is dead to me already. i have the log. fuck it.
deadweasel: no time for bookmaking of anykind.
Mats_cd03: id write it if making books was a profitable activity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 772 @ 0.00400015 = 3.0881 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as security for dummies
mircea_popescu: what's next, dating for the narcisistic and hygiene for the lazy ?
mike_c: BingoBoingo already wrote that.
mike_c: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 15000 @ 0.004 = 60 BTC [-]
ozbot: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog
mike_c: print it, bind it, become rich.
GNULinuxGuy: has there been some news about neobee recently or something?
mircea_popescu: notrly.
asciilifeform: a physicist (forget which) who took to writing 'general interest' books, was told by his publisher 'every equation you throw in will cut sales in half'
asciilifeform: (might've been penrose, now that i think about it)
GNULinuxGuy: buy op? ;)
mircea_popescu: unless you count stuff like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#539868 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the first 1-200 are the hardest then
mircea_popescu: after that's smooth sailin'.
asciilifeform: ahaha
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If the text in question was http://www.roadsolutions.ox.ac.uk/ I have it sitting on a shelf
asciilifeform: yeah might've been that one
BingoBoingo: It kept an adequate number of equations for a book with chapter titles like "Manifolds of n dimensions"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this tome will not be burying Landau, but it's an acceptable bait to whet an amateur's interest, i'd imagine.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably. Is an interesting read.
asciilifeform: which one of you people spoke of reading landau in french? was it mp?
mircea_popescu: prolly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59865 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59885666 = 1.7966 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60899666 = 1.827 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: https://static.pinboard.in/webstock_2014.htm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00574989 = 0.1092 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00399979 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07699999 = 0.231 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08999999 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00574996 = 0.5807 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: good intro.
bitcoinpete: http://mashable.com/2014/03/05/snowden-phone/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link
ozbot: The 'Snowden Phone' Will Encrypt All Your Calls and Texts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00574999 = 0.2357 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: Still Samsung, so how do they unroot?
asciilifeform: re: phone: zimmerman was 'lowered into pederasty'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1437 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: eventually i will deal with this subject in writing, unless mp takes up this chore in my place.
asciilifeform: lev termen was a true inventor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2642 @ 0.0008275 = 2.1863 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: no one alive today is even fit to suck his decomposed cocke
asciilifeform: at least, with regards to invention
bitcoinpete: cool
asciilifeform: he's #2 on my list of folks who probably had the waveguide motor. (after the obvious candidate nick t.)
bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/early-classical-revival-websites-do-not-a-bitcoin-bank-make/
ozbot: Early Classical Revival Websites Do Not A Bitcoin Bank Make | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: On the recent Flexcoin oopsie. He's a local kid, met him a few months back.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00441611 = 0.4681 BTC [-] {5}
jborkl: Went to the bitcoin conference today, figured might as well since it is here at home
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, others: if you think that the enemy is foolish, and has no plan, this is a dangerous mistake: he is clever and knows the ancient chinese formula 'Yi yi zhi yi' (以夷治夷 ?) - 'control the barbarians using barbarians.'
jborkl: Don't worry, no one missed anything
asciilifeform: gox, flexcoin, bitcoinica, etc. are what lenin called 'useful idiots'
asciilifeform: useful idiots do not need to know who they soldiers for.
asciilifeform: *they are
kakobrekla: asciilifeform the whole piece aint bad
asciilifeform: the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another)
asciilifeform: end up flying off untethered into strange
asciilifeform: e.g. tesla's 'ghost telegraph'
kakobrekla: i guess misconception add up over the years
kakobrekla: misconceptions*
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i don't think this is it at all
kakobrekla: no?
asciilifeform: rather, this is more like the folks who send binders full of crackpot proofs to maths profs today
asciilifeform: if you're unable to interact with an actual community of your peers, you tend to go way off in some strange direction
asciilifeform: sometimes, with interesting results, more often - with none
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00391018 = 0.1056 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: another thing about aging inventors
asciilifeform: when they become anxious to carry out a 'last hurrah,'
asciilifeform: the mechanism in their heads that is needed to dis-invest in an unproductive line of inquiry breaks.
asciilifeform: 'this ghost telegraph! it'll be what i'm remembered for! just needs a little tweaking.'
kakobrekla: heh, good points.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07023011 = 0.2809 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: another similar, but distinct phenomenon is
asciilifeform: people who regularly have ideas usually have fat notebooks full of strange
cazalla: asciilifeform: what's a ghost telegraph? i cannot find anything on google
asciilifeform: when these get published posthumously, quite a bit of strange is revealed
asciilifeform: e.g. karl friedrich gauss had a big fat binder that contained, among other things, both types of non-euclidean geometry.
asciilifeform: but it also had a good bit of crap.
asciilifeform: cazalla: e.g. http://anengineersaspect.blogspot.com/2013/02/life-after-death-according-to-nikola.html
asciilifeform: hard to find good material about an inventor's 'dwarf star' phase
asciilifeform: because the real demented folks inevitably pick it up and add flourishes of their own
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07010561 = 0.2804 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191 @ 0.00082804 = 0.1582 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0039101 = 0.3128 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: some 'idea people' don't have these 'coffin liner' binders
asciilifeform: they just publish everything
asciilifeform: and tend to end badly.
asciilifeform: oliver heaviside's notebooks, it is said, stoked a furnace for many years.
asciilifeform: heaviside, the fellow who turned maxwell's equations from 23 in about that many unknowns, into the 4 that we learn in school.
asciilifeform: (and coughed up terms like 'impedence')
asciilifeform: re: invention, for the impatient:
asciilifeform: the greatest heroes who ever lived, who none of us are fit even to be beheaded by, had terrible signal-to-noise ratios
asciilifeform: because that's simply how it works.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00082548 = 10.236 BTC [-]
cazalla: i wonder if people are testing his hypothesis
asciilifeform: the most one can hope for is to get one or two major ideas 'out'
asciilifeform: how? see mp's little piece about 'art'
cazalla: in the binders full of crackpot writings as you mentioned
asciilifeform: if you dive into the binders, you're almost certainly doomed to be lost in the noise
asciilifeform: if you don't believe this, get thee to a dusty book store and buy bucky fuller's 'synergetics' I and II
asciilifeform: that was his coffin notebook
asciilifeform: that some lost soul printed up
asciilifeform: more or less unreadable - as they tend to be, using 1000s of terms known only to the dead man
asciilifeform: after all, he was writing for his own self
asciilifeform: you can try to read this stuff and make sense of it, but more often than not you'll just be 'rorschaching' your own mind.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00082433 = 9.2325 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: there are so many blanks for imagination to fill in, you'll mostly be reading the contents of the blanks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00082973 = 6.14 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: http://blog.tian.io/bitstamp-was-hacked-2-weeks-ago-and-only-now-users-are-finding-out
ozbot: Bitstamp was hacked 2 weeks ago, and only now users are finding out - tian's posthaven
asciilifeform: RIP.
kakobrekla: i dont think i have to repeat myself re bitstamp.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00082391 = 7.9095 BTC [-]
cads: hrm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00419947 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2}
cads: I know how to sell basic drafting services, but I need to sell some product/industrial design services and I'm not sure how to price it to the client
BingoBoingo: Two cans, One String
cads: nor am I sure how to structure the IP rights of the result
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo and a lot of gold.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: two pounds of shit, one-pound bag.
kakobrekla: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=79
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
BingoBoingo: Ah there it is
cads: the device is a wearable rapsberry pi PC case with an eyeglass display
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There are worse things to step in than shit.
bitcoinpete: cads: $GoogleGlass-$1
BingoBoingo: An aqueous solution of hydrogen flouride would be an example
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00419947 = 0.105 BTC [-] {3}
bitcoinpete: On the exchange side, that leaves a couple Canadians, CaVirtex mostly, with a sprinkling of Quadriga and Vault of Satoshi.
bitcoinpete: What price discovery?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 668.74, vol: 12773.06091168 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 654.111, vol: 11418.23508 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 668.1, vol: 8398.25382776 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 680.23, vol: 44.07164922 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 652.631904, vol: 8042.55200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 680.99, vol: 5.23012654 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 663.99055, vol: 70.66675492 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: BTC price is now mystical
BingoBoingo: BTC will probably keep selling between $600 to $1000 for a while until suckers selling under $1000 have no coins to part with so cheaply
BingoBoingo: From that point BTC price becomes truly etherial
BingoBoingo: People start talking in hushed tones about that time when they once controlled a WHOLE Bitcoin
jcpham: omg you have a whole bitcoin!>!!?!?
thestrin1puller: LOLOLOLOLOLOL
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: This time next year
ThickAsThieves: End of summer
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Maybe May? Maybe December 2016
bitcoinpete: That would make quite the bitbet
ThickAsThieves: we'll consolidate, everyone will be like oh now that bitcoin is stable it's so great, then July/Aug, liftoff to like $3000+
ThickAsThieves: then crash again in winter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08999 = 0.18 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: The problem with betting on the etherial is where to source the information
ThickAsThieves: remember you don't need an index, just a source
ThickAsThieves: specified
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7282 @ 0.00083095 = 6.051 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Well, the WSJ is blacklisted as is Coinmarket.BBQ
bitcoinpete: bingoboingo: that's where I was going
bitcoinpete: it's self-referencing
ThickAsThieves: so add if/thens
ThickAsThieves: price according to Bitstamp,Coinbase,Kraken
ThickAsThieves: in that order,whomever is still living
BingoBoingo: Isn't Kraken a scam, BitStamp two cans, and Coinbase not an exchange?
ThickAsThieves: so
ThickAsThieves: a bet is a bet
bitcoinpete: Have a list of 10 if need be
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.96371260 BTC to 19`796 shares, 60435 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: Only reasonable source might be BitcoinCentral
BingoBoingo: Because davout
ThickAsThieves: what if davout dies
ThickAsThieves: every source has a chance of being invalid