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Duffer1: at least he didn't unload at a school
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00083488 = 38.154 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zx9zj/arthur_nakamoto_my_brother_dorian_satoshi_nakamoto/
ozbot: Arthur Nakamoto: My brother, Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto... : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: checl out these ads http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5485006/colorado-releases-new-drugged-driving-ad-campaign
asciilifeform: http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5483774/the-cupid-drone-strikes-with-80000-volts-to-the-chest
ozbot: The CUPID drone strikes with 80,000 volts to the chest | The Verge
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform journos must seriously be going to a special retardation school.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what sort of reverse midas effect this is, but it's uncanny
mircea_popescu: any topic they touch turns to shit
asciilifeform: they go to spam school.
asciilifeform: must be.
ThickAsThieves: getting tased for demo is so stupid
ThickAsThieves: i did a police ride-along and demo day once
mircea_popescu: http://www.insideworldfootball.com/world-football/europe/14238-popescu-jailed-as-romanian-judge-hammers-football-fraudsters
ozbot: Popescu jailed as Romanian judge hammers football fraudsters - Inside World Football
ThickAsThieves: why would you ever volunteer to be tased?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves people volunteer for women in heels to walk all over their ballsack.
mircea_popescu: what do you want, people are strange.
asciilifeform: if i recall, some u.s. police academies require taking a shot from a taser.
ThickAsThieves: yeah
ThickAsThieves: so they know what they are dishing out
mircea_popescu: did they do that back in the gun days toio ?
mircea_popescu: also, tasers are stupid easy to counteract. no idea why anyone thinks they're effective or anything.
asciilifeform: they should require a firing squad with at least plastic rounds.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: taser came out of a fad for 'humane' police gear.
mircea_popescu: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/151067206670?lpid=82
ozbot: Blackend Chainmail Shirt Butted Chain Mail Armor Costume Chainmaille Medium Size | eBay
mircea_popescu: $100 dollars.
ThickAsThieves: yeah now these drone vid guys wanna sort humane help for cops
ThickAsThieves: surreal
mircea_popescu: what's a taser cost, 2k ?
ThickAsThieves: less
asciilifeform: no need for chainmail, an ordinary greatcoat does fine
ThickAsThieves: depends on strength i guess
ThickAsThieves: and charge
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you want to short it.
mircea_popescu: nothing quite like the shit exploding in the cop's hands
ThickAsThieves: yeah then he'll shoot you for real
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: short doesn't do much - modern electric shocker works the way a photo flash does - charge a cap, and let it short through the victim
asciilifeform: (victim in place of xenon tube)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves double the chain with kevlar, he can shoot you till he gets bored.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is true.
asciilifeform: a while ago i mentioned tommyguns that were sent to russia during 'lend-lease'
asciilifeform: there is a curious tale about those
asciilifeform: at one point, two drunken grunts decided to have a duel with them
asciilifeform: both got away with broken ribs and a penal battalion sentence.
ThickAsThieves: standing too far apart?
ThickAsThieves: or rigged weapons?
asciilifeform: (they wore the traditional heavy greatcoats)
asciilifeform: soft, slow .45.
mircea_popescu: what, and it failed to penetrate ?
asciilifeform: correct.
mircea_popescu: that's trollage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15440 @ 0.00083906 = 12.9551 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: the first bullet proof vests were, after all... silk.
mircea_popescu: the round, even historical, is closely subsonic.
ThickAsThieves: here russia, take all these guns, they work fine trust me!
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 300**2 * .2 / 2
gribble: 9000
mircea_popescu: 9kJ. srsly nao.
ThickAsThieves: inspection shows barrels riddled with grainy bits
moiety: we had a bren but we arent allowed it back with out getting the licence redone in England
asciilifeform: 'v' is more important than 'm' here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most .45 fires at around 300km/h
ThickAsThieves: maybe it was a joke never properly explained, they threw the guns at eachother
mircea_popescu: even taking a more historically accurate 200 km/h which is what i did...
mircea_popescu: or meant to do...
asciilifeform: there could be many explanation for the story, assuming it took place as described
asciilifeform: but it is not entirely implausible
asciilifeform: i also recall accounts of 45acp failing to perforate NK soldiers during korean war
asciilifeform: but, i wasn't there, did not see this alive.
mircea_popescu: what is this, some martial arts fascination ?
mircea_popescu: a .45 round will go through an engine block, let alone some bloke
asciilifeform: brought it up because of the taser/coat question.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you load yours with, titanium ?
mircea_popescu: i just can't conceive how that'd happen. maybe if the round was hand filled with dust ?
mircea_popescu: what is it, copper mostly
mircea_popescu: copper-nickel w/e
asciilifeform: for those concerned with the question of what will or won't go through X, 'youtube' is the place.
asciilifeform: (well actually, the correct place is a deserted junkyard. but the next best thing)
mircea_popescu: i suppose in an extremely rare case a shot could ricochet of a rib or something, but srsly nao.
mike_c: mythbusters has done a bunch of shows on "is it bulletproof"
asciilifeform: ballistics testing is possibly the #1 hobby of youtube folks
asciilifeform: quality varies
mircea_popescu: i would guess this'd be because a gun is pretty much the coolest toy adults can afford.
mircea_popescu: all those "guns are not toys" adds backfired i guess
asciilifeform: it's a variant on 'ricing' ☟︎
asciilifeform: (people who endlessly fidget with their cars)
mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417217/quotes?item=qt0158941 << re this excellent pacino performance :
ozbot: Two for the Money (2005) - Quotes - IMDb
mircea_popescu: people seem to have taken the smoking kills adds the same way
mircea_popescu: "well it DOES kill people, and it HASN'T killed me,
mircea_popescu: therefore i am special
mircea_popescu: ergo smoking makes me special"
B007: smoking is way down in the us
asciilifeform: there's also 'mortido' (as in libido)
B007: idk about europe
mircea_popescu: B007 depends how you measure it.
B007: less people per 1000?
asciilifeform: folks who don't get their 'dietary minimum' of 'millideaths per day' tend to get edgy.
mircea_popescu: PM was trading ~50 a share in 2008 and is trading ~90 a share now
mircea_popescu: 31bn revenue / 8bn net
mircea_popescu: about 7x as big as facebook, to put it in terms readily digestible by the online crowd
mircea_popescu: much better profit margin, too. twice as good, in fact.
mircea_popescu: BTI is probably a better example. ~5 per share in the 80s, 100+ per share now.
B007: I which I could get in....tfw no money
B007: *wish
mircea_popescu: ~25bn gross ~6bn net, so roughly 4x facebook.
mircea_popescu: so there you have it : smoking is down and the industry makes a degree of magnitude more than social media.
mircea_popescu: who's killing who here ?
B007: thats accually a good point, but it is still true that smoking in the us is down
B007: I never stated anything about profits or size compared to fb
mircea_popescu: so what do you mean, smoking as a behaviour ?
mircea_popescu: fucking is also down in the us.
mircea_popescu: and making sense. and making money. and generally everything.
B007: ummm
mircea_popescu: it's what happens when places go to shit. everything goes down.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00086507 = 10.7269 BTC [+]
B007: yeah, but Romania gdp 169,400 vs US 15,680,000
B007: we have about the same gdp as all of europe
asciilifeform: 'Industry is the only true source of wealth, and there was no industry in Rome. By day the Ostia road was crowded with carts and muleteers, carrying to the great city the silks and spices of the East, the marble of Asia Minor, the timber of the Atlas, the grain of Africa and Egypt; and the carts brought nothing out but loads of dung. That was their return cargo. London turns dirt into gold. Rome turned gold int ☟︎
asciilifeform: o dirt.'
asciilifeform: (reade's 'martyrdom of man')
asciilifeform: s/rome/usa
B007: yes, we still have huge industries
B007: in case you weren't aware
asciilifeform: well, there's pointing a gun at people to make them pay for copied bits
asciilifeform: and then there's building the gun
asciilifeform: and, mostly completing the list, maintaining infrastructure (sort of!)
mircea_popescu: B007 what huge industry were you tihnking about ?
mircea_popescu: they can't even run a paper mill for chrissakes.
asciilifeform: 'arse-mouth loop system' economy.
mircea_popescu: my grandfather was a mayor, and a bunch of other things, but the one true source of public respect was that he owned and operated an american mill
mircea_popescu: it was like... people actually came an extra distance with oxen fucking carts just because of that cool.
mircea_popescu: then there was a war and a number of unfortunate choices... and by today people may want japanese stuff,
mircea_popescu: but i can't readily think of anything which'd be improved by being made in the us.
mircea_popescu: perhaps a cuisinart ?
asciilifeform: how quickly the 'cool' goes.
mircea_popescu: they don't really make the cuisinarts in the us anymore do they
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mine certainly wasn't.
asciilifeform: 100% chicom
mircea_popescu: not even a cuisinart.
mircea_popescu: The trademark is a subsidiary of and owned by Conair Corporation which acquired the brand following Cuisinart's bankruptcy in 1989.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: the consumer appliance that inspired jobs.
mircea_popescu: how quickly the cool goes...
Duffer1: if you want it to taste really good and take 30 years off the average life span of your customers.. and be dirt cheap, then you want american expertise
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the four little green RNGs were made at a u.s. plant. cost: ~their weight in pure gold.
asciilifeform: (the boards alone!)
mircea_popescu: well at least that gold didnt turn into pure shit.
asciilifeform: i think every other customer of that place is part of the DOD wankatron.
asciilifeform: no one else in his right mind has anything made here
asciilifeform: visit the web site of any u.s. pcb maker, they're all decorated with pictures of fighter jets, boats, etc.
mike_c: PM is actually international only, no US.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07900102 = 0.158 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: mike_c it doesn't sell in the us ?!
mike_c: they split it up. NYSE:PM is intl only
mike_c: I believe Altria holds PM USA
mircea_popescu: no lm, no marlboro ?
mircea_popescu: oh
Duffer1: ya altria
mike_c: although they have done well over the last few years too
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah it doesn't substantially alter the argument
mike_c: i thought it would, but it does not. altria has doubled over the last few years
mircea_popescu: in fact, it bolsters it : intl only pm does substantially equally well as the us-only pm
mircea_popescu: hahahaha this is hysterical :
mircea_popescu: USA tobacco18,474 / 4,812
mircea_popescu: International tobacco48,260/ 8,458
mircea_popescu: usa tobaccomuch more productive. i guess bans help indeed.
mike_c: it's interesting, because i have always heard anecedotally that taxes were killing US tobacco. i guess i heard it from the tobacco lobby :)
mircea_popescu: i guess you must have yeah.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.079 = 0.553 BTC [-] {3}
joecool: altria is PM rebranded, they are the same
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07900001 = 0.553 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: when is BB back?
joecool: altria, rj reylolds, and lorillard i think are the big 3
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 99 @ 0.0056 = 0.5544 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: not rebranded, they split up their domestic and international business.
joecool: Philip Morris International was split from Philip Morris USA in March 2008. < ah missed that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.021 = 0.189 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: In which I figure out how to use footnotes:
bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/what-is-business-the-roman-catholic-church-for-one/
ozbot: What Is Business? The Roman Catholic Church, For One | When Bitcoin Met Pete
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00084721 = 5.6763 BTC [-]
MisterE: nothing worse than a flat market
MisterE: fucking dead calm
Mats_cd03: on the subject of death
Mats_cd03: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort
ozbot: Micromort - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mats_cd03: > a unit of risk measuring a one-in-a-million probability of death
Mats_cd03: > Activities that increase the death risk by roughly one micromort, and their associated cause of death:
Mats_cd03: > Eating 100 charcoal-broiled steaks (cancer from benzopyrene)
Mats_cd03: > Travelling 230 miles (370 km) by car
Mats_cd03: > Travelling 6000 miles (9656 km) by train
Mats_cd03: > Travelling 1000 miles (1600 km) by jet
MisterE: Mats_cd03: are you an insurance adjuster?
chetty_: crossing the street?
asciilifeform: chetty_: russian roulette, ~143,000 micromorts. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (an american would think: ~167,000 but he's wrong.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00395 = 0.237 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07899998 = 0.316 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: no im not an insurance adjuster
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6442 @ 0.00084721 = 5.4577 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 273 @ 0.00055003 = 0.1502 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.046 = 0.138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00084676 = 6.6894 BTC [-]
KRS-One: damn near perfect:
KRS-One: http://www.donnaperfetta.com/db/_pic/michelle-hunziker/8f4d567cd77373334e39e58ed775b2c3.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.02294999 = 0.3672 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: US warns Russia not to annex Crimea: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26501716
MisterE: Little late for that eh?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 125 @ 0.0057548 = 0.7194 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04652498 = 0.4652 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.02348677 = 0.4462 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.00380005 = 0.5206 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00084676 = 2.1169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2655 @ 0.0005 = 1.3275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00084676 = 1.2701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 6457 @ 0.000105 = 0.678 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00084676 = 0.6774 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07727081 = 1.1591 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1953 @ 0.00420662 = 8.2155 BTC [+] {16}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4704 @ 0.00084676 = 3.9832 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 347 @ 0.0043 = 1.4921 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.004 = 0.804 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2900 @ 0.00090454 = 2.6232 BTC [+] {5}
Namworld: Enhancing your body with unobtainium: - 1'000'000 micromort
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00086058 = 21.5145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00086058 = 11.2736 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04540006 = 0.2724 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04528 = 0.2264 BTC [-] {4}
KRS-One: whats that mean Namworld
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0449 = 0.2245 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0056 = 0.168 BTC [-]
chetty_: buying bitcoin +1'000'000 micromort
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benkay: !b 1 ✂︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 31 @ 0.08699998 = 2.697 BTC [+]
Namworld: ref to something Mats said earlier
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00404999 = 0.1012 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html
ozbot: Mt.Gox BTC Transactions - Coinsight.org
Namworld: Movements? The heck.
mircea_popescu: what is coinsight
Namworld: What now? Mark specifying hackers stole private keys and wiped his servers?
mircea_popescu: lol
Namworld: A stats and tracking website.
mircea_popescu: kinda dubious in that it's based on gox.
Namworld: I believe this is based on past addresses used by MtGox, as per past transactions listed in their API
Namworld: API isn't there anymore, but some MtGox addresses where known.
mircea_popescu: Transactions are recorded automatically every 5 minutes from this page, which displays all Bitcoin transactions from Mt.Gox that have not been confirmed for 2 or more hours according to their wallet software.
mircea_popescu: link is to mtgox api
Namworld: Oh...
Namworld: looks like MtGox is still publishing that it's moving lotta Bitcoins...
Namworld: This must be an ode to stupidity.
mircea_popescu: it definitely is.
Namworld: Ok, I'm laughing now. This is too much.
chetty_: they left the fake transaction bots running?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete you know, there are numerous religions longer lasting than the catholic church
Namworld: No... those transactions... some are in the blockchain it seems.
mircea_popescu: confucius, for one, was born way before christ.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, so has buddha
mircea_popescu: either of them has more followers today than jesus
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: Sure, Judaism too… Maybe not as centralized as such, nor as auspiciously
mircea_popescu: judaism = christianity.
mircea_popescu: nobody in the business seriously considers the branches apart from the root.
Namworld: islam too
mircea_popescu: judaism -> orthodoxy -> catholicism -> islam, same thing
bitcoinpete: Lest we forget Mormonism
mircea_popescu: minor disagreements over who exactly the prophets are
mircea_popescu: i guess you can include the various protestant and neoprotestant sects in there.
mircea_popescu: generally they're ignored for their complete lack of intellectual production and cultural impact
bitcoinpete: Catholic Church still seems to win the "most successful" award for land, art, gold, etc
mircea_popescu: but if you go by headcount i guess you gotta count the muricans.
mircea_popescu: only because you're unfamiliar with the east.
Namworld: Go abraham (not the lincoln one)
bitcoinpete: Moderately familiar with Hinduism and Buddhism. I guess the branch-tree argument is valid. Continuity is continuity
rithm: paganism arguably oldest religion
mircea_popescu: MisterE: Little late for that eh? < lawl. it's what bystanders do, usually. comment on future events as they perceive them, which obviously to the actual players are long past.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete the objection was to art land and gold
mircea_popescu: if you think anyone can compete with buddhism over that you're nuts, they probably have more than all the others combined.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 yeah not bad measure.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5376 @ 0.00086493 = 4.6499 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: Huh… nuts I must be. This, I did not know
mircea_popescu: they (ie, indian govt) recently opened the vault of donations of one of the larger temples
mircea_popescu: > 200 tons of gold in items, many older than 1700
mircea_popescu: never seen before.
MisterE: nice
MisterE: lots of hoards down there
mircea_popescu: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/07/06/137627235/some-22-billion-in-gold-diamonds-jewels-found-in-indian-temple
MisterE: what was the british mainly sucking out of them? textiles?
mircea_popescu: everything thery could get their hands on, basically.
mircea_popescu: hey justusranvier
bitcoinpete: crikey. That makes the Vatican look like a Swiss McDonald's
justusranvier: hello
mircea_popescu: my point exactly.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier what's your relation to conformal ?
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: fan
mircea_popescu: yeah they really should have a guy here.
justusranvier: I passed that message along
mircea_popescu: at the very least mike_c and benkay'd be very interesting in their stuff.
mircea_popescu: speaking of wolverine...
punkman: http://www.artfido.com/blog/is-this-the-best-way-to-recognize-the-artists-of-famous-paintings/
mircea_popescu: lol huge asses ? srsly ?
punkman: I lol'd "If everyone – including the women – looks like Putin, then it’s van Eyck."
mircea_popescu: http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/ae/aec36ec3_arty_pics_big_ass_amateurs_butt_morenna_large.jpg_480_480_0_64000_0_1_0.jpeg < that is large ass.
mircea_popescu: i wish i could get dali to ilustrate eulora
mircea_popescu: sadly...
mircea_popescu: "If the paintings have tons of little people in them but otherwise seem normal, it’s Bruegel. ajahaha
bitcoinpete: He didn't even pick the lowest hanging fruit: Botero's chubby fruit
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete i don't think author even understands there's any depth to the matter. the bread's all flat to him, like he was born in the internet age.
mircea_popescu: punkman i suppose the putin-ness has to do with ethnicity. eyck painted locals and putin is apparently baltic stock
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: flat like Monet's lilypadz, flat like Guernica's bull, flat like Matisse's Icarus, flat like Saskatchewan
mircea_popescu: no, flat like cartman.
bitcoinpete: that's flat
mircea_popescu: http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Jewpacabra/Script grep "No! The bread's all flat! No!"
ozbot: Jewpacabra/Script - South Park Archives - Cartman, Stan, Kenny, Kyle
bitcoinpete: Only a month away!
bitcoinpete: And incredibly easy for the gluten intolerant
mircea_popescu: An application of micromorts is measuring the value that humans place on risk: for example, one can consider the amount of money one would have to pay a person to get him or her to accept a one-in-a-million chance of death (or conversely the amount that someone might be willing to pay to avoid a one-in-a-million chance of death). When put thus, people claim a high number but when inferred from their day-to-day actions
mircea_popescu: (e.g., how much they are willing to pay for safety features on cars) a typical value is around $50 (in 2009)
punkman: micromorts, heh
mircea_popescu: However utility functions are often not linear, i.e the more a person has already spent on their safety the less they are willing to spend to further increase their safety. Therefore the $50 valuation should not be taken to mean that a human life (1 million micromorts) is valued at $50,000,000.
mircea_popescu: [But much less.]
mircea_popescu: Furthermore the local linearity of any utility curve means that the micromort is useful for small incremental risks and rewards, not necessarily for large risks
mircea_popescu: [in the sense it overstates their cost]
bitcoinpete: Post updated thanks to mircea_popescu
bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/what-is-business-the-roman-catholic-church-for-one/
ozbot: What Is Business? The Roman Catholic Church, For One | When Bitcoin Met Pete
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.0040028 = 1.6011 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete make.
bitcoinpete: Ever vigilant!
bitcoinpete: Corrected.
mircea_popescu: "He (John Kerry) made clear that continued military escalation and provocation in Crimea or elsewhere in Ukraine, along with steps to annex Crimea to Russia would close any available space for diplomacy, and he urged utmost restraint," the official said.
mircea_popescu: the obscure part in all of this is what exact space for diplomacy does russia need here ?
mircea_popescu: you want the gas fine, you don't want the gas also fine.
mircea_popescu: you want us to confiscate your investments fine, you don't want us to also fine.
mircea_popescu: rarely has one such a conveniently diplomacy-immune position.
MisterE: "Assange attacked what he sees as the powerlessness of even the most theoretically powerful politicians, and asked what would happen if President Barack Obama said tomorrow he was immediately disbanding the NSA, or even the CIA."
MisterE: Umm, that evening or the next day he would be assassinated?
MisterE: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/08/julian-assange-wikileaks-nsa-sxsw
chetty_: nah, not worth a bullet, they just laugh at him. take his phone away
MisterE: lol
mircea_popescu: nothing at all would happen lol
mircea_popescu: there;s no such thing as "powerful" in the fiat world, being it a politician including obama, or a media personality including whoever the fuck you watch, or a financial guy.
mircea_popescu: mat dimon is powerless to do anything about anything, one regular here is a lot more powerful in that WE ACTUALLY CONTROL our bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: random CEO can do exactly jack shit.
MisterE: some people hold commodities
mircea_popescu: which is really why it's so fun to humiliate and torment them, the naked emperors of power.
MisterE: gold, etc.
MisterE: hell water is the next asset
mircea_popescu: yeah, yeah. here's a simple test of your property :
mircea_popescu: try setting it on fire.
MisterE: hehe
mircea_popescu: most people belabouring under the delusion they "own" a house aren't aware they only "own" it inasmuch as there's something to b e paid on it.
MisterE: if they used a proper bank ledger they would see everything they have is a liability
MisterE: but they are not taught these things in school
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 2443 @ 0.0001 = 0.2443 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well obama is not in a better position.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 1000 @ 0.000154 = 0.154 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.07508232 = 3.3787 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07200001 = 2.016 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00573175 = 0.3267 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00086463 = 11.4131 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5811001 = 1.1622 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61479987 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00086493 = 14.7038 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8874 @ 0.00086493 = 7.6754 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 289681 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 622 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 19 hours, 34 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4168639115.88 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.24897
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04495001 = 0.4495 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08887999 = 0.4444 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00423996 = 0.1442 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00086751 = 68.0128 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.00574761 = 0.1207 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.00577837 = 0.1791 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 215 @ 0.00423996 = 0.9116 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 75 @ 0.00579994 = 0.435 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0447 = 0.2235 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58001 = 1.16 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00086538 = 12.9807 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13196 @ 0.00086409 = 11.4025 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.0008619 = 18.2292 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04393749 = 0.8787 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.08994799 = 0.8995 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58002417 = 3.4801 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05449913 = 0.109 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00423993 = 0.2035 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 379 @ 0.000912 = 0.3456 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7638 @ 0.00086173 = 6.5819 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 293 @ 0.000885 = 0.2593 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1328 @ 0.00086399 = 1.1474 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00424138 = 0.4114 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00423993 = 0.3477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00086237 = 23.8445 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00018277 = 0.1462 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46883 @ 0.00086031 = 40.3339 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00086237 = 12.72 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=81
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: ahahaha o may gawd i nearly fell over
KRS-One: heh fucken vexual
KRS-One: i like that cunt
deadweasel: well this jimmothy is still talkin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg5593296#msg5593296
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 15600 @ 0.0001 = 1.56 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i suppose we should have a bet as to when he goes the way of ciuciu, eskimobob and so many other great names
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 59 @ 0.04267406 = 2.5178 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.09093998 = 2.4554 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 406 @ 0.00401795 = 1.6313 BTC [-] {11}
punkman: http://themiraclemachine.net/img/info-graphic.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00086501 = 4.4548 BTC [+]
nubbins`: wut
dexX7: yay welcome to teh future
dexX7: http://themiraclemachine.net
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00386558 = 0.4639 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: dexX7: 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' ('judge dredd')
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1103 @ 0.00379842 = 4.1897 BTC [-] {11}
asciilifeform: dexX7: if the 'miracle' crap is serious, americans will be drinking the same kind of wine as they drink coffee
dexX7: haha true
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00375043 = 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00375043 = 0.1088 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !t h neobee
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00362770 / 0.00402835 / 0.00430001 (6748 shares, 27.18330834 BTC), 7D: 0.00360000 / 0.00434362 / 0.00549990 (100201 shares, 435.23483185 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.0044337 / 0.00600000 (589434 shares, 2613.37069273 BTC)
dexX7: what a trash video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBQ-IoHfimQ ... 18m views pff
bitcoinpete: sofa king we todd had
bitcoinpete: and howdy
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i think that has already been answered, but are options completely disabled or is only the bot not quoting?
thestringpuller: because of the issue with puts?
bitcoinpete: "The other telling tale in terms of currency besides the fact that no central bank is going to ever let (go of) control of how they deal with their own economy, is no one that I've seen so far that's in traditional sales that is taking bitcoin keeps it as bitcoin. They all translate it to dollars. And if you translate it into dollars it's not a currency." - Mark Cuban
bitcoinpete: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/baig/2014/03/09/mark-cuban-cyber-dust-sxsw/6226925/
ozbot: SXSW: Cuban on bitcoin and why texts should bite Cyber Dust
asciilifeform: 'Kids are understanding that now. That's why Snapchat's been so popular. They don't want to have that footprint out there.' << lol
asciilifeform: story time
asciilifeform: asimov was once asked what he would do if he were to take a trip in time machine and could teach/prove just one fact about physics to the ancients
asciilifeform: he said 'show them the world is made of atoms'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller they're disabled.
asciilifeform: so, if i could teach just one thing to these lost souls:
asciilifeform: 'the difference between promise and mechanism.'
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete because obviously the ones that do keep it as bitcoin would report that to mark cuban
mircea_popescu: it makes perfect sense huh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the difference'd be that the difference between promise and mechanism is by no means a novel idea, just like the knowledge of communism = idiocy is ancient.
asciilifeform: entirely true!
mircea_popescu: then again, i suppose the atomic view is also ancient, so... perhaps that's why we can't make time machines yet
asciilifeform: nothing novel here
mircea_popescu: we'd be fucking boring to those people.
asciilifeform: hence the analogy
mircea_popescu: it's all their spam filters keeping us out
asciilifeform: and i think mr. a meant 'hammer through their thick retarded heads' rather than merely 'tell them.'
mircea_popescu: and actually... i wish an ancient would come this way into time and bring me blueprints of his fucking spam filter
mircea_popescu: that way i could somehow filter out idiots who in 2014 create "momentuous historic events" that "revoilutionise bla bla" by poorly reimplementing 2011's mpex
mircea_popescu: then again i guess i already have that too, in the form of a philosophy degree
bitcoinpete: haha
mircea_popescu: fuck me, the world is perfect
mircea_popescu: who knew.
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell nubbins` Interested in doing art for an album cover? Short turn needed, close-up of beast chomping a microphone. If so, lemme know price, eta. Thanks!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that way i could somehow filter out idiots << but they're already filtered - they aren't in your living room, and they aren't in mine. on the other hand, if filters could physically zap spammers, there would be considerably more interest in filter...
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu how old is the idea of communism by your reckoning? Mazdak was one of the first notable purveyors, at least according to Tom Holland
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: the ancients understood atoms perfectly well, certainly the buddhists
CheckDavid: http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=About. < anyone knows the difference between this and mastercoin?
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: probably as old as the first humanoid who looked with envy at an anthill
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete it's really just poorly repackaged buddhism
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: the ancients understood atoms perfectly well << very peculiar meaning of 'understand' needed for this to be true
CheckDavid: Did anyone here user open transactions to create or issue an asset?
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid knotwork perhaps the only one.
CheckDavid: Oh
asciilifeform: CheckDavid: plenty of people have used the blockchain as a telegraph, when the occasion called for it
CheckDavid: knotwork: my nigga
mircea_popescu: it's an ancient thing, ot, i recall sponsoring it in like 2012
CheckDavid: lol
bitcoinpete: "As a result, this digital-savvy cohort is looking to the tech sector to provide banking solutions. Half of respondents said they were counting on startups to overhaul how banks work, and three-quarters said they would be more excited in financial services provided by Google, Amazon, Apple, PayPal, or Square than from their own banks."
bitcoinpete: http://www.fastcompany.com/3027197/fast-feed/sorry-banks-millennials-hate-you?utm_content=buffer7a415&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
ozbot: Sorry Banks, Millennials Hate You | Fast Company | Business + Innovation
bitcoinpete: I love the "counting on startups" bit
asciilifeform: 'Sorry, Meat Processing Plants - Cattle Hate You'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the evolution of the smiley is something incredible.
mircea_popescu: they were all :-) originally
mircea_popescu: then people dispensed with the nose, leading to the now common :)
asciilifeform: speaking of meat processing:
mircea_popescu: yet the trend aren't stopping, now the eyes are gone too. it's just )))))
asciilifeform: many years ago, some russian fellow made a short film about karpeles & co.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnz9CaJqTY
ThickAsThieves: nose was too derpy
asciilifeform: no words, so no subtitles needed.
mircea_popescu: aren't smileys supposed to be derpy ?
ThickAsThieves: millenials hating banks is as old as overdraft fees
mircea_popescu: ;~}
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: azns clearly pushed the noseless look, it wasn't no persian
ThickAsThieves: next is millenials hating cable cuz commercials (cuz netflix)
mircea_popescu: :¬|
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete clearly
bitcoinpete: There's a dilbert hiding in there somewhere
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im pretty sure cable is dead as a going concern
ThickAsThieves: but dat death grip
mircea_popescu: they couldn't kill smoking, but cable failed to thrive in the interval
mircea_popescu: nah, it just survives cause coaxial internet
mircea_popescu: in most countries cable companies only sell their tv packages because they're bundled with the internet
ThickAsThieves: %)
mircea_popescu: otherwise people'd be... whatever.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 639.1, Best ask: 641.98, Bid-ask spread: 2.88000, Last trade: 639.1, 24 hour volume: 11624.21200374, 24 hour low: 604.5, 24 hour high: 653.0, 24 hour vwap: 625.505735661
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 5.7185 / 1450 / 639.1
gribble: 6.17085448826e-06
mircea_popescu: ha! trilema the rift guild makes ~600 satoshi a day in taxes.
mircea_popescu: no wait i fucked it up
ThickAsThieves: won't even cover a teamspeak server
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 5.7185 / 1450 * 14.95 / 639.1
gribble: 9.22542745995e-05
mircea_popescu: 9k satoshi
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta ask, wtf is a Gunwitch ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves aren't those free ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the nom de guerre / plume of some particularly unhinged pick up artist guy
ThickAsThieves: dunno, i recall needing to pay for larger usage
ThickAsThieves: maybe that was Ventrilo
mircea_popescu: who may or may not be this fellow : http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/046/best_guy_ever.jpg
asciilifeform: i pictured it in my head as a witch who rides a DP (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Machine_gun_DP_MON.jpg) instead of broom
mircea_popescu: too feasible.
asciilifeform: the man in the photo - did he pull the trigger and blow his cock ?
asciilifeform: he looks determined.
mircea_popescu: actually, you may get a kick out of reading his (obviously very valuable) instructions and teachings.
mircea_popescu: it was all about "projecting your sexuality" upon random unfortunate members of the general public
mircea_popescu: at like... the bus stop
mircea_popescu: and "make the ho say no"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.39806461 BTC to 3`639 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: then he shot some woman in the face.
asciilifeform: 'Spam Like a Pro in 21 Days!'
mircea_popescu: anyway. half the rift guild is russian and ukrainian
mircea_popescu: we're having a ball these days :D
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: also i thought 'witch' in english was female.
ThickAsThieves: lotsa russians in dota too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope. there's no gender in it.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: also in WOT (the other wot! 'world of tanks')
dexX7: CheckDavid: i don't know much about ot, but it seems it's something completly new, more like a next gen bitmessage + encryption + central server bundle. mastercoin has it's own transaction types etc. and stores them encoded in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: people who speak languages with genders end up with fictitious gender partitions like witch/wizard because the teachers are lazy
ThickAsThieves: why so many russians in online games now?
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, there's no such allocation in english
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because they can finally afford mass computers and net
mircea_popescu: in the 2000s it was a business expense for the girfrliendsa working the cams,
mircea_popescu: and by now on their sweat and toil it became generally available
CheckDavid: dexX7: oh. So that system is centralized unlike master coin
ThickAsThieves: porn, the mortar of technology
mircea_popescu: dexX7 what do you mean new ? the guy's been working at it since before my time
asciilifeform: porn, the reconnaissance battalion of technology.
ThickAsThieves: all the people that want decentralized shit like ot and mastercoin are too dumb to use it
dexX7: CheckDavid: as said, i'm not really sure how it works. there seem to be central processing servers. new in the sense of "not bitcoin, new underlying technology"
CheckDavid: I see
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much
ThickAsThieves: <dexX7> CheckDavid: as said, i'm not really sure how it works. // no one soes
ThickAsThieves: does*
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well maybe the traveller dude does,
mircea_popescu: on his better days
ThickAsThieves: mostly people just ooh and ahh at screenshots and possibilities
ThickAsThieves: imagine all teh IPOz!
ThickAsThieves: imagine all the less friction!
mircea_popescu: it still requires you to compile a client and run a server does it ?
dexX7: i think so
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: if porn is the mortar of technology, are video games like the firewood?
ThickAsThieves: no, they are the cumsocks
ThickAsThieves doesn't know what that means.
asciilifeform neither
mircea_popescu: ;;ud cumsock
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cumsock | A 'special' sock that is used for 'mopping up' following a 'five knuckle shuffle'. Such footwear have the unusual characteristics of being able to ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: cumsock
thestringpuller: YUP
mircea_popescu: apparently people use socks as cum rags ?
thestringpuller: that's what we used to say as kids in middle school
thestringpuller: when you masturbate as a 12 year old yea
asciilifeform: haha i assumed it was a rubber
ThickAsThieves: i never made the word until now
ThickAsThieves: but that was the definition i was going for
ThickAsThieves: masturbatory receptacles
thestringpuller: random: someone needs to invent a gpg based database
dexX7: http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=Messaging ot is something like this
ozbot: Messaging - Open Transactions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00466438 = 0.4664 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller to do what ?
thestringpuller: so if the database is ever compromised for any reason, it won't matter because it requires a specific gpg key to decrypt the rows
mircea_popescu: how is this different from you know, gpg as is ?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is possible to search across encrypted data, for some purposes
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: you were probably thinking of that
thestringpuller: if you fill something like lets say postgres
thestringpuller: or mysql
thestringpuller: and you encrypted all the rows it would take 3-4 times longer for normal operation cause it has to decrypt everytime
thestringpuller: it's not built for it, has to call libcrypt or some bullshit
mircea_popescu: well yeah
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: perhaps if you stored gpg flatfile and indexed it, then gpg is the bottle neck and not the db trying to decrypt cells...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61199898 BTC [+]
dexX7: don't encrypt primary keys and you're good to go?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: are you saying search encrypted data using a hash?
thestringpuller: dexX7: then you can't search a specific column only by PK
dexX7: ah well, right
dexX7: but you can't have it both ways, i guess?
thestringpuller: i guess that might work though...if you only have referentials by pk in your queries; once you retreive the column you could deal with decryption...but hmm
dexX7: https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adinfo wtf "ponzicoin.co"
ozbot: Ad info
thestringpuller: maybe gpg and relational databases aren't meant to be friends
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00399962 = 0.252 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00087052 = 21.4148 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.04250001 = 0.8925 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: Coming in at #3 for a cool 211,000 BTC: Dracula's Castle in Roumania
bitcoinpete: http://www.fascinatingpics.com/7-most-expensive-homes-in-the-world-5/
ozbot: 7 Most Expensive Homes In The World » Fascinating Pics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.00556246 = 0.4839 BTC [-] {9}
bitcoinpete: And if that's too pricey, this shit is priceless:
bitcoinpete: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zxfjg/thank_you_people_of_rbitcoin_your_unique/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.590002 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: "Thank You people of r/bitcoin! Your unique, sarcastic and exaggerated humour has enabled me to cope with the depression and suicidal thoughts after my financial loss due to MtGox."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00583543 = 0.4668 BTC [+] {6}
dexX7: http://imgur.com/gallery/fjcgUns
ozbot: Come oon just try it - Imgur
dexX7: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zz21j/mtgox_2014_hack_database_revealed_live_from_mark/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.04250001 = 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.09199989 = 1.84 BTC [+] {3}
dexX7: no user data, only trade histories etc.
dexX7: oh wait. and a list with account balances (though without knowing who is who)
dexX7: and there are some with a negative balance :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: anybody got the binary turd?
asciilifeform: nm
dexX7: no .net, ascii extract: http://pastebin.com/VwmbU7cJ
asciilifeform: i'm interested specifically in the trojan payload
asciilifeform: rather than the gox crap
dexX7: there was once a trojan stealer on btctalk which searched for wallet.dat files and forwarded them via mail - the guy included his mail credentials of his private gmail acc =D
mircea_popescu: "his"
dexX7: yes, his
dexX7: turned out it was a 14 yo child who found the stealer on hackforums
mircea_popescu: haha
mircea_popescu: "some local computer shop owner yelled at me over the phone when I asked him to email me a price list, telling me that he would never waste his time on email because it took 20 times longer than a phone call"
mircea_popescu: this is the 80s, back when people using bitcoin i mean email were considered at the very least a little by the guys who generally know everything better
dexX7: hehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.004 = 0.112 BTC [+]
dexX7: oh well, this 2 bit idiot: http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/79070783038/concession "I’m not going to bury the lead; I am not publishing the article tomorrow that I said I was going to on Friday. In fact, I never intended to ..."
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: loltron chugs on:
dexX7: vs
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014-info/andrew-leonard/andrew-leonard.htm
dexX7: "To the chagrin of the less confrontational, I plan to attack. And in putting my personal and professional reputation on the line, I will attack ruthlessly, from the front, and (figuratively) shoot to kill. By Monday, I expect that either: a) Vessenes and Matonis resign gracefully from the board of the Bitcoin Foundation, ..."
mircea_popescu: lmao @this guy
mircea_popescu: "o i know, brilliant idea : i will try and frontrun mp!11"
mircea_popescu: nobody ever thought of that b4 for sure!
asciilifeform: double-barrelled lol, because since when is throwing somebody's name into a property title spam search engine a proper 'doxing' ?
mircea_popescu: i love all the pretense tho, "my personal and professional reputation" apparently is the new stock phrase of the chump.
mircea_popescu: nobody heard of him, nobody cares of him, he is thus therefore throwing the full weight of that pompous nothing into things!!!111
dexX7: haha yea
dexX7: "bitcoin enentrepreneur"
mircea_popescu: anyway. yeah the foundation is going down.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> fuck me, the world is perfect <mircea_popescu> who knew. << alexander pope.
mircea_popescu: that aside, i very much doubt vessy is stepping down to the bitter end.
mircea_popescu: benkay :p
mircea_popescu: quoth mpoe-pr "haha forehead and bitcoininv have channeled their butthurt from me to each other
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.40
ozbot: [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy shit
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507799.0 <also the most promising webwallet so far.
ozbot: Kryptowallet.org maby the best Bitcoin Wallet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this one you might appreciate https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507493.0
mircea_popescu: as to the wisdom of not taking pre-orders and generally running a business like a business.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07481999 = 0.1496 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the trezor folks took preorders !?!11!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: have people no sense of shame?
mircea_popescu: and the irony here is that the mp of that project is slush
mircea_popescu: who's otherwise quite respectable
bitcoinpete: I can't quite keep up with mircea_popescu's torrential blogging, but that doesn't mean I won't try.
bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/citizens-of-fiat-vs-citizens-of-bitcoin-a-contrast/
ozbot: Citizens of Fiat vs. Citizens of Bitcoin: A Contrast | When Bitcoin Met Pete
mircea_popescu: :p
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could be that some people are just broke, and this is the only way they can play.
benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507493.msg5598474#msg5598474
ozbot: More Pre Order Scams..... (TREZOR)
mircea_popescu: nah, slush is running a large pool, large miner, he's okay.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then this is seriously weird.
asciilifeform: why does he need pre-orders, why not just build the damned gadget
mircea_popescu: dude, if i could explain to you the why of people doing stupid shit...
mircea_popescu: why. cause they think they know better and don't feel the need to ask.
asciilifeform: it's seriously strange when they do it despite not having to
asciilifeform: plus it's a pocket gizmo
asciilifeform: not an aircraft carrier
asciilifeform: single-chip, using a dirt-common micro
asciilifeform: (going by the published pcb mask at any rate)
mircea_popescu: well, bitcoin is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers
mircea_popescu: people who think that by imagining something they're now the best to make it, people who think wanting really hard can substitute for being really able
mircea_popescu: and so it goes.
asciilifeform: trezor's published code is curiously missing the interesting bits.
asciilifeform: but i'll be surprised if this surprises anyone.
mircea_popescu: i am fully confident it's ignorance rather than some nefarious anything at work
mircea_popescu: slush is czech
asciilifeform: https://github.com/trezor
asciilifeform: what's missing? exercise for alert reader.
Namworld: Gggooooooddd MORNING!
Namworld: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zz21j/mtgox_2014_hack_database_revealed_live_from_mark/
Namworld: It's actually 14:14 but whatever.
Namworld: It does appear to be legit. All accounts and transactions dump.
Namworld: Which means Mark's blog also got hacked, apparently, if that's not Mark faking it.
Namworld: Either way, how much more can you screw up?
mircea_popescu: Namworld dexX7 had it earlier :p
Namworld: Great.
mircea_popescu: "The SEC does not actively monitor this thread, I have two friends that are attorneys for the Commission, and their interns have much better things to do than passive monitoring. "
mircea_popescu: the forum never ends.
Namworld: There's not too many people in here regularly browsing reddit, so sometimes it takes time to get here.
Namworld: They should still have 500k BTC apparently. (400k from 2011 that haven't moved since and some more) for over 900k owed.
Namworld: 400k Mark proved ownership after the 2011 hack.
dexX7: ah speaking of the sec. did they reach out to you, mp?
Namworld: Looks like they were running fractional since then.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 and to a number of people
mircea_popescu: and yes they do read the forum, tho they only understand about half
mircea_popescu: Namworld isn't it interesting how "since then" and "when mp said" coincide huh.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00589773 = 0.171 BTC [+]
dexX7: well then, tell us more
dexX7: there is the part missing between "to: ... and yes they"
mircea_popescu: dexX7 hm ?
dexX7: what did they want, what are the implications etc ;)
mircea_popescu: well that's not particularly clear yet.
mircea_popescu: trying to do their job, i guess.
dexX7: that's all
dexX7: ?
dexX7: i think it's your obligation to be transparent on such incidents. who knows, maybe they have backend access to mpex now :p
mircea_popescu: now that's not possible.
moiety: good eve :)
Namworld: Yes, we know you can spot scam. Now stop bragging about it =P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00589773 = 0.5898 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: dexX7: I'm pretty sure mircea_popescu has female assassin ninjas guarding the mpex keyring
dexX7: sssh shh i want to hear teh sec gossip
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04250011 = 0.1275 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.04250001 = 1.4025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09224995 = 0.1845 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09325 = 0.1865 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0941 = 0.4705 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: Namworld never :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.09499998 = 0.57 BTC [+] {2}
dexX7: http://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/abblog/blog.pl?/pl/2014/3/1394372710.html
ozbot: eBay Files Patent Application for Bitcoin Currency Exchanger
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu random thought: i wonder if the halt in options trading on MPEX will result in a lot of people flocking to ICBIT...kind of a scary thought...
dexX7: what was the reason to halt option trading?
thestringpuller: ;;google site: trilema.com february 2014 mpoe
gribble: MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/>; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-january-2014-statement/>; MPOE, December 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-december-2013-statement/>
dexX7: ty
thestringpuller: np
KRS-One: i still can't believe this is happening... mtgox hacked.. all leaked.. karpeles blog, his reddit account
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086941 = 2.956 BTC [-]
dexX7: well, it's a probably a good thing to get rid of the weak elements
mircea_popescu: let the record reflect that i'm working on a foot long baba ghanoush sub
peterl: I've never used ICBIT, is it any good?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i doubt there's much overlap in demographics.
mircea_popescu: peterl no.
punkman: even Dr Greg doesn't want to use them anymore
mircea_popescu: see the earlier linked misadventure of dr foreskin on the topic
peterl: how did he get the name Dr. Foreskin? Or do I want to know?
mircea_popescu: KRS-One in his position, leaking his pws is actulaly a rational, +ev move
mircea_popescu: peterl well it's a combination of things. he looks kind-of weird, and behaves like a negligible quantity
mircea_popescu: which in romanian is pielea pulii ie, foreskin
mircea_popescu: actually i think that works in russian too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: http://blog.magicaltux.net/2014/03/09/mtgox-2014-hack-database-revealed-live-from-mark-karpeless-reddit-account/
mircea_popescu: that's the 3rd.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04250001 = 1.02 BTC [-]
dexX7: kinda interesting though that the block entry is still online
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00589773 = 0.4128 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.0425 = 2.2525 BTC [-] {3}
Namworld: Don't forget that MtGox's API published transactions as close as this morning, Diablo-D3.
Namworld: MtGox still has and is moving large amounts of Bitcoins.
peterl: from the dr. greg thread "the approach continues to offer guaranteed profit up until a roughly 350% gain " he lost money but still thinks his strategy should have huge returns?
Namworld: Mark will now say it's not him but the hackers who just released the info. He might be the thief and the releaser of info.
Namworld: Dr. Greg thread? What?
peterl: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5584789#msg5584789
Namworld: Pirates, okay, but I didn't know there was Ponzi doctors too.
ozbot: [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus
peterl: MPOE-PR ripped him pretty good, but he still thinks he beat her with his wall of words
dexX7: he also reads the channel logs to see, if someone is saying something mean about him
benkay: peterl: it's not his strategy that's wrong, it's his implementation details. like icbit.
peterl: oops, now he is going to target me!
benkay: this is much like asciilifeform's refrain about "trusted computing" on top of compromised hardware. all the proofs in the world won't save you from bad hardware in the memory stack, and all the quant kabbalah in the world won't make you money on non-functional options exchanges.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 676 @ 0.0001819 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: peterl: no joke, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg3649693#msg3649693 "Maybe it was a different user named 'dexX7' who was hobnobbing with TAT, Mircea Popescu and others on IRC ..."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07483062 = 0.449 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: i wish he would hang out in here more
peterl: maybe he is here under a different name?
Duffer1: oh could be
benkay: probly reads the logs but can't extemporize.
peterl: hard to put a good wall of text up on IRC
benkay: brevity, wit, etc.
Duffer1: is easy
Duffer1: make blog, post link
Duffer1: doesn't Dr.G have a blog already?
moiety: he really does look phallic shoulders up....
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00589773 = 0.1533 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07485221 = 0.2246 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: peterl guy is strange.
mircea_popescu: <Namworld> Mark will now say it's not him but the hackers who just released the info. He might be the thief and the releaser of info. << hence the "Rational, +EV move" comment earlier.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 lol we're the empire of evil nao ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1849 @ 0.00018399 = 0.3402 BTC [+] {8}
dexX7: yea, i guess
mircea_popescu: o look it's a moiety. how goes missy ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, if the guy's reading the logs that's not so bad, first step on the road to sanity.
mircea_popescu: before you know it he'll be going "i stake my professional reputation !!eleven behind making this thing i read on trilema two weeks ago happen!" like that other douche
mircea_popescu: after which hopefully he's cured
mircea_popescu: unless they manage to invent some further pathology down the way
moiety: I'm well ty mircea_popescu :) had some interesting times past couple days. how are you?
mircea_popescu: im stuffed.
moiety: with?
moiety: i need to food actually
moiety: had dinner with satoshi but he doesn't say much
mircea_popescu: footlong baba ghanoush sub
mircea_popescu: "In retrospect, it's quite funny how some of the folks laughed at those selling ASICMiner to buy into BTC Growth, given that at the end of the day, those who adopted exactly that strategy wound up with roughly 275% as much money in their accounts than those who stuck with the former darling of the mining world."
mircea_popescu: this usagi bs ?!
Diablo-D3: usagi is still around?
Diablo-D3: I thought he ragequit
mircea_popescu: asicminer went from 5 to .5, so therefore my deadbeat "investment" which went from 1 to .3 in the interval
mircea_popescu: would have assured "investors" "make roi and then some" or what was the expression
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 he comes and goes.
mircea_popescu: no bitcoin ragequit lasts.
Diablo-D3: I noticed he quit bothering me
Diablo-D3: surprised he isnt trying to invest in my newest venture or some shit
benkay: overheard in my household this morning "paycheck and a buttplug! the only grocery list you'll ever need."
Diablo-D3: ...
moiety: i wondered wherehe disappeared to
moiety: he might have found benkays shopping list....
mircea_popescu: lol
benkay: it's not my shopping list - i don't do the shopping, moiety.
mircea_popescu: i think he spends some time as a princess in a special happy place
mircea_popescu: of the sort uppity tortilla rest sin
mircea_popescu: dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg3650952#msg3650952 how come i have not that log ?
dexX7: it's legit, names edited and a few lines removed though
mircea_popescu: can you link to log ?
dexX7: hmm let me look
dexX7: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2013&bots=true#233753
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: and you know, if you quote a log include a date, a link, something.
dexX7: part 2: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2013&bots=true#234572
dexX7: my intent wasn't to share the content of the log
dexX7: thus no link to the log
mircea_popescu: a so im not actually in there/saying anything
mircea_popescu: that's what threw me, cause i had no recollection of the entire thing
dexX7: well, you're the incarnation of teh evil anyway :D
mircea_popescu: oic
mircea_popescu: well, so did anyone actually bother to track this BTC-GROWTH marvel ?
mircea_popescu: a actually btct, should be in the logs
mircea_popescu: Apr 13 11:00:40 <`MBot>[ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ TYGRR-BOT ] [ 2 x 0.99999 = 1.999980 BTC ]
mircea_popescu: Apr 13 11:01:55 <`MBot>[ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ TYGRR-BOT ] [ 98 x 1.0 = 98.000000 BTC ]
mircea_popescu: dude, old logs!
mircea_popescu: (that's apr 13 2012, ftr)
peterl: I think it was all privately done, so there is no way to actually track what he says
mircea_popescu: peterl he claims he got 2k btc on btct
mircea_popescu: so what was the ticker, anyoe know that ?
dexX7: http://coinflow.co/chart/BTC-GROWTH
ozbot: BTC-GROWTH on Coinflow
dexX7: i think he indeed sold quite a few shares
dexX7: several hundred btc worth
mircea_popescu: aha
dexX7: ;;calc 1294*0.1
gribble: 129.4
dexX7: well
dexX7: ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0424 = 0.424 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1707934/
ozbot: dpaste: #1707934
mircea_popescu: that's the first hour.
mircea_popescu: there's no 2k there, more like 2-300 btc
benkay: the rest was privately placed!
benkay: gosh.
peterl: "privately placed" does that mean "I just made up whatever numbers I want"?
benkay: that is an implication
Namworld: I'm about 175 BTC in debt and I'm richer than him still.
mircea_popescu: the zinger being, of course, "Aug 15 15:49:39 <parseval>This guy is charging 2% of assets annually plus 20% of profits for management fees"
mircea_popescu: that's some fund o.O
Namworld: Big fees.
dexX7: well, such a fee level is at least motivating the issuer to perform well
mircea_popescu: lolk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.095 = 0.285 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: normally i'd say "i wish to meet that elated 1% of bitcoin financiers which actually make 2% a year", but i think i already have.
mircea_popescu: anyway, parity didn't hold up long :
mircea_popescu: Aug 15 18:44:58 <assbot>[BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 2 @ 0.09801 = 0.196 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Aug 15 18:44:59 <assbot>[BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 96 @ 0.098 = 9.408 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Sep 21 01:55:33 <assbot>[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 2 @ 0.09612 = 0.1922 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Sep 21 03:21:59 <assbot>[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 50 @ 0.09594299 = 4.7971 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: Oct 06 15:25:37 <assbot>[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 10 @ 0.08 = 0.8 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Oct 08 18:07:10 <assbot>[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 7 @ 0.083 = 0.581 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Oct 08 18:08:11 <assbot>[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 14 @ 0.083 = 1.162 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and with that the story ends.
mircea_popescu: -17% on assets, -22% on fees, half your money back in half a year.
Namworld: Considering the first thing I did was lend over 700 BTC to a GPU miner thinking it was just 7 grand and the current price per BTC, I'm not close of having positive earnings on average per year.
mircea_popescu: you still in the hole with giga/amazingrando huh
dexX7: labcoin was a more exciting way to lose money
Namworld: Although I definitly made some money afterward.
Namworld: Well i started with 900 BTC in early 2012. Lost most. Definitly don't have that much.
Namworld: I might be close to achieving that back tho.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00589773 = 1.4744 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well gl.
Namworld: It's been rough, especially with the 15 -> 1200 run in 2013. How is one supposed to beat 100x returns on just holding through investing?
peterl: invest in S.MPOE?
mircea_popescu: no because that's like scientology.
mircea_popescu: Jan 12 23:14:43 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3293 @ 0.0006592 = 2.1707 BTC [+]
Namworld: I had to help with BitVPS which RG just abandoned like that. Buy servers and everything. Stuff like that. Losses vs just holding.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc ( 0.00087052- 0.0006592)/ 0.0006592
gribble: 0.32057038835
peterl: which we are grateful you saved that for us
mircea_popescu: o hey, 32%.
peterl: psh, only 32% that is nowhere near 100x!
Namworld: Arij helped a lot too.
Namworld: We both missed a ton on the BTC rate increase.
mircea_popescu: peterl well technically, it's at least > 9000x zero
Namworld: It's 32% in BTC. So 1.32 x 100
peterl: right, this is btc accounting instead of Usagi accounting
Namworld: 132x value in fiat. It was better than holding BTC.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24358 @ 0.00086874 = 21.1608 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07485302 = 1.6468 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.0433452 = 3.1642 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0434395 = 0.1738 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 187 @ 0.00404842 = 0.7571 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Namworld it also doesn't count dividends.
Namworld: oh, that too.
Namworld: Someone should calculate that.
moiety: someone sent r3wt to me yesterday :/
Namworld: For what?
moiety: i think to check to see if i can contact TF
moiety: he was voicing faux concern
moiety: i hadnt realised openex was hacked a fortnight ago
mircea_popescu: ya
moiety: but then neither did he for a while
moiety: i get probed every now and then, i guess its to be expected
thestringpuller: topace: unlock my account
moiety: http://i.imgur.com/I9XgLMN.jpg honesty the best policy?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 190 @ 0.00589773 = 1.1206 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: moiety http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a88c2b550b2750929342bef44551e7a/tumblr_myaf6dYk1f1rq17hmo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: lies!
thestringpuller: .bait
moiety: lolol mircea_popescu but why does she look so angry? 1) she must get LOADS of tips and 2) this one is inside! she should be happier!
mircea_popescu: hehe good points
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/b21c1fbb69b3b3e6bd39c59f4279e106/tumblr_mz1p5m1UDV1rwxb4zo1_250.gif definitely beats sandra.
jurov: lol again czech menu on the blackboard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.13311598 = 0.5325 BTC [-]
moiety: she, however, does not look happy to be outside
Neil: ;;prevdiffchange
gribble: 21.92473
moiety: i found bingo's spiritual dog http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/09/hair-of-the-dog-miracle-vodka-cure-saves-puppy-from-certain-death-4494150/
moiety: had to get drunk on vodka to live
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 32 @ 0.004 = 0.128 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05479999 = 0.2192 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 118 @ 0.00205964 = 0.243 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00404846 = 0.2429 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00086879 = 12.3368 BTC [+]
nubbins`: hi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00405001 = 0.1013 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hey n
kakobrekla: ><Enky> http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Karpeles_Weird_Hats_2005_and_2006_Wide.png
kakobrekla: seems this wasnt here yet
nubbins`: he's got a purdy mouth
dub: wat
nubbins`: lel
nubbins` says what other men dare not think
kakobrekla: could be shopped
kakobrekla: i dont see bouncy balls
moiety: quite possibly the best hats in bitcoin
dexX7: lol these pictures are priceless: http://www.dailytech.com/Bitcoin+King+Pt+II+Mt+Goxs+Dictator+Karpels+Proves+Tragically+Flawed/article34452.htm
dexX7: http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Karpeles_Samurai_Sept_2010.png
moiety: lmao at the meh hoodie - it's suits his face
moiety: it*
wao-ender: c'mon php.. https://eval.in/108854
dexX7: fixed: https://eval.in/116675
wao-ender: === ?!
wao-ender: what the heck
dexX7: yea something php specific
dexX7: but i was curious, this one gives a good explaination: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22140204/why-md5240610708-is-equal-to-md5qnkcdzo
kakobrekla: fuck thats a long article
dub: long and pointless
dub: all the personality treatise can be reduced to : he is french
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40572 @ 0.00086907 = 35.2599 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.07300003 = 2.482 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07311051 = 0.658 BTC [+] {4}
kakobrekla: no DUB HE IS JAPANEROS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]