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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.318 = 0.954 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.0505 = 0.505 BTC [-] {3}
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm curious, how much of the usual trade on mpex is done by pyMPEX?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.1524999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 709 @ 0.00049979 = 0.3544 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.0005 = 0.125 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Azelphur i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone actually types by hand tho.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: would be interesting to see, probably could get it from user agent statistics if you have them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0001198 = 0.2396 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2600 @ 0.0001199 = 0.3117 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: I type by hand
mircea_popescu: Azelphur i don't keep such tho.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32299998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 13 @ 0.0077 = 0.1001 BTC
kakobrekla: >For many different reasons, such as for instance described in IV. Disposal. Also because the wear-levelling optimisation most SSDs natively employ makes it nigh-on impossible to actually delete anything you ever put on them. [?]
kakobrekla: will it blend?
IveBeenBit: It will blend!
mircea_popescu: hm ?
kakobrekla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2eNhPC8wCQ
ozbot: Will it Blend - Patriot Flash Drive (original full length take) - YouTube
kakobrekla: closest they got to ssd
kakobrekla: but yeah
kakobrekla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rofgMueCOqo
ozbot: Will It Blend? - iPhone 5 vs Galaxy S3 - YouTube
kakobrekla: btw iphone blends faster
mircea_popescu: ssd mary
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.03169902 = 0.6657 BTC [+] {3}
the20year1: So, what kind of exchanges do you all feel most comfortable with?
Duffer1: one with known members of community that have demonstrated trustworthiness over a very long period of time
the20year1: does such exist?
Duffer1: mpex
Duffer1: maaayyybbee ciphertrade when it opens
the20year1: I'm looking at cipertrade, looks good to me
the20year1: I just really would like to get back on an exchange
Duffer1: kate's demonstrated trustworthiness, but competence remains to be seen
mike_c: coinbr is a good place to start
Duffer1: i like that Deprived is on board with that project
Apocalyptic: seems he is not Duffer1
Duffer1: wha? he's a founder unless something's changed
Apocalyptic: let me dig up his post
Apocalyptic: I bet she likes to advertise it so, for obvious PR reasins
Apocalyptic: *reasons
mod6: the blender vid is awesome
the20year1: I just hope that they build a framework, or someone does that won't run into SEC issues
Duffer1: they're going to run into sec issues
Apocalyptic: Duffer1, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg3655452#msg3655452
Apocalyptic: "the new exchange being developed/run by the Ciphermine team. But we are NOT committed (in the sense of having promised to go there) to it - and, at present, I am not committed to being involved either as part of the operational team for it OR as an investor in it."
the20year1: Not exactly , our attourney says that it's quite possible for them to be SEC compliant
Apocalyptic: sounds pretty clear to me he's not involved in any way, let alone being a "founder" as you say
the20year1: I think 'founders' are more complicated, according to my brother who is involved with the startup in some way
Duffer1: the20year1 who's "our"?
Duffer1: interesting Apoc, the way the ciphertrade thread reads on litecointalk.org they make it sound like he's in on the ground floor
Apocalyptic: exactly
Apocalyptic: i've been misled too
the20year1: Our fund's attourney
Apocalyptic: fortunately someone here corrected me and linked that post
the20year1: who works with various VC firms and does SEC compliance for said firms
Duffer1: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=7176.0 he's listed under Advisory board and investors
Apocalyptic: yeah, i've read the exact same post
Duffer1: the20year1 if you know someone involved with ciphertrade personally get them to approach lloyd's of london for theft insurance contract
Apocalyptic: Duffer1, huh
the20year1: I think that's a fantastic idea duffer
the20year1: I'll message my contact and see if they can get a quote
Duffer1: i know right
the20year1: i know i'd be willing to chip in for that :D
Apocalyptic: you think they will seriously consider such an offer ?
the20year1: lloyds?
Apocalyptic: yes
Duffer1: lloyd's likes new insurance opportunities
the20year1: they insure EVERYTHING
the20year1: http://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/financial-planning/9-odd-things-insured-by-lloyds-of-london.htm
Apocalyptic: ;;rate Ukto -2 Bitfunder's mess
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ruru: silent here
mircea_popescu: <the20year1> Not exactly , our attourney says that it's quite possible for them to be SEC compliant <<< we've gone through this cycle about 20 times already.
mircea_popescu: see http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/
mircea_popescu: ruru try log.bitcoin-assets.com
KRS|gotyawallet: some chatter already that btc is all over
Apocalyptic: hum I actually read this one already
mircea_popescu: already ? it's been the talk of the town ever since we started raping the town
mircea_popescu: back in 2011.
KRS|gotyawallet: thats true forgot all that its been good for a while..good point..
mircea_popescu: it's like... o buttcoins are worthless, o buttcoins aren't useful o butcoins are a a scam etc etc.
ruru: let them panick.. my poor buddy sold.. 400+ BTC, got $280k. then.. guess what. Bought back when BTC rebounded. He got fucked bothways by the market
mircea_popescu: buttways
ruru: lost around 57 btc in the process
mircea_popescu: that btc didn't belong in his hands obviously
Duffer1: i can empathize with the scammed, but not those on the losing end of speculation
mircea_popescu: dunno whether speculation or just panic
ruru: it was panic.. Dumped @ low 600s, put a bid @ 600.. then, pulled it for some reason. He wasn't at the right state of mind.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.0030468 = 0.2468 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: daytrading without a license.
ruru: as long as this place isn't panicking, i think we're good.
random_cat: i logged into bitfailure and wedontexchange and see the ukto has followed through with the shuffel of assets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32299756 BTC [-]
the20year1: what cycle 20 times?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 315 @ 0.00049999 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the20year1 "our attuneys say so and so"
mircea_popescu: guy walks in a bar, asks some other guy "hey, are you an attuney ?" "sure pal" "ok don't you agree i could build an exchange ?" "sure pal"
mircea_popescu: exchange #5893490583094 is thus born.
mircea_popescu: sorry, i mean bit5893490583094coin
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 10 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Vexual> www
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 31 @ 0.0077 = 0.2387 BTC
KRS|gotyawallet: https://soundcloud.com/#ytcracker/ytcracker-x-skrillex-x-damian
ozbot: SoundCloud - Share Your Sounds
KRS|gotyawallet: The robot voice in that song makes me imagine a giant doomsday alien robot on armageddon day destroying a city and killing people with laser-ray eyes and explosive charges launching from devices mounted to its hands.
KRS|gotyawallet: having a rather square body and head with smaller but long legs
KRS|gotyawallet: lmao
KRS|gotyawallet: claudioc: anyone wanna donate some coins to me?? i have no way to payoff this 2nd mortgage now... c mon guys u have my money at least let me get 0.1 btc
Duffer1: do you have his wallet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2500 @ 0.00045113 = 1.1278 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31400836 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00297525 = 2.9753 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32298789 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32298789 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 871 @ 0.0030468 = 2.6538 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.3140258 = 1.2561 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1075 @ 0.0028466 = 3.0601 BTC [-] {9}
jurov: http://megiontechnologies.com/career.html multicultural team ftw
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Kleeck: .d
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 434 blocks | Estimated Change: 25.4033% in 2d 5h 47m 11s
Diablo-D3: +ticker
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 762.01529, Best ask: 769.99999, Bid-ask spread: 7.98470, Last trade: 760.23281, 24 hour volume: 48633.24355535, 24 hour low: 653.0001, 24 hour high: 860.0, 24 hour vwap: 745.14452
KRS|gotyawallet: o/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00298498 = 0.4119 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.31287049 = 8.4475 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1712 @ 0.00011899 = 0.2037 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00049998 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.15249999 = 1.22 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 222 @ 0.00297619 = 0.6607 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 153 @ 0.0029 = 0.4437 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00297359 = 0.1427 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 740.0, Best ask: 745.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.00000, Last trade: 745.0, 24 hour volume: 45162.82997989, 24 hour low: 653.0001, 24 hour high: 860.0, 24 hour vwap: 731.95439
mircea_popescu: so if i google sweets for my sweet result #2 is the drifters (black ppl), #3 is the searchers (white people)
mircea_popescu: ergo white man can't sweet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10456 @ 0.00078594 = 8.2178 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu, what the heck foo? Keeping the price from reaching pluto
mircea_popescu: maybe it has no business on pluto
thestringpuller: I think there is a correlation between an exchange's life expectancy and the quality of the "businesses" it IPO's
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: Based on this formula, Havelock should be shutting down any day now.
mircea_popescu: there definitely is a correlation.
pankkake: I already consider what I have left in havelock as lost ☟︎
pankkake: but really, fuck all this shit
Apocalyptic: you mad pankkake .
pankkake: yes
pankkake: also headeaches don't help. but anyway, yeah :(
Apocalyptic: because of BF ?
pankkake: just a general feeling that any of these guys would scam if they could
thestringpuller: scamming doesn't pay, unless you're in your death throes
thestringpuller: even then it doesn't pay
Apocalyptic: well scammers gonna scam, that's what they do, and in bitcoinland there's a ton of them
thestringpuller: send money to firstbits 1scamyou
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6568 @ 0.00011898 = 0.7815 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i
mircea_popescu: 'm with Apocalyptic
mircea_popescu: with freedom comes the horde of people who misunderstand what freedom is all about.
mircea_popescu: no way to fix that, really.
Apocalyptic: yeah
mircea_popescu: no good reason to care, tbh, their problem, let them fix it.
Apocalyptic: don't expect some random dude opening a bitcointalk post about his service to be legit
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you'd think that'd be obvious, you know ?
Apocalyptic: mircea, somehow it isn't, go figure
thestringpuller: WITH GREAT FREEDOM COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY
thestringpuller: or at least that's what my dead uncle told me
mircea_popescu: the cave early behaviour partially to blame. also, the first few years everyone was new by the very definition.
mircea_popescu: needed some time to create histories.
thestringpuller: start-ups don't like history
thestringpuller: because they want all the money now without providing any value
mircea_popescu: but take nanotube. he doesn't say much, but was here since before me, and he ain't scamming anyone.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller adolescents generally don't like history.
mircea_popescu: it puts all their shortcomings in such a cruel light.
mircea_popescu: it's unfair i tell you!
thestringpuller: @_@ history is the shit
thestringpuller: it's how you know what came to be
thestringpuller: unfortunately history can be "modified" after the fact, but I think that is GPG contract's greatest assets
thestringpuller: being able to make history "truthful"
mircea_popescu: now that's an interesting way to look at it...
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh. it creates a whole new class of artifact.
mircea_popescu: pottery, stone tablets, gpg signed matter...
pankkake: it's not about issuers. yes, most of them don't care to make their investors whole
pankkake: but even the so-called investors
pankkake: pump the scam to death, praise shitty action because it profits them, etc
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as antyone can call himself an investor...
mircea_popescu: here's an idea : if you dont have a mpex acct youre too poor to be an investor.
thestringpuller: pankkake: you can still profit on that action though even if you're a real investor
thestringpuller: i remember mircea_popescu made some 100 btc off of AM swings
thestringpuller: in a single day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3129 BTC [+]
pankkake: of course you can. you can even profit from altcoins, so?
pankkake: btw this scammer had a mpex account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144622.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31299499 = 0.626 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31299 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: DeadTerra is a scammer now?
thestringpuller: what'd he do again? he did those passthru's but what happened?
pankkake: just being sloppy then abandonning his PTs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.319067 = 0.9572 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: the asicminer pt on bitfunder is still a mess
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=40976
ozbot: Login
pankkake: all that trust. riiiight
pankkake: ugh
kakobrekla: see my rating
kakobrekla: :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.319002 BTC [-]
pankkake: I know… but I also have TAT in my trust root
thestringpuller: oh god
thestringpuller: my eyes are bleeding reading this thread
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.31299199 = 1.252 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.31900005 = 1.276 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31298995 = 0.626 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.31299926 = 0.939 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.319001 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake i said investor :D
mircea_popescu: and o wow, deadterra is nao a scammer ?
mircea_popescu: only mpex account holder i ever had on ignore.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.31900605 = 1.276 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.312999 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you may have an answer to this.
thestringpuller: what is the best system for public key distribution that enforces validity?
thestringpuller: given person A and person B have never met
pankkake: namecoin!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3129663 = 0.9389 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: @_@
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.31900779 = 1.276 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: can you really trust keyservers mr. pankkake ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the system i now use works on the assumption either A or B are famous.
pankkake: well you should only trust the *fingerprint*, no matter how the key is distributed
mircea_popescu: i publish my key. now you know it is in fact mine. you send me yours. now i know it's yours.
pankkake: beware that the small fingerprint you often see can have collisions
thestringpuller: hmmmm
mircea_popescu: pankkake that's the keyid.
mircea_popescu: the fingerprint is the whole thing.
thestringpuller: i would assume that the keyservers WoT uses will eventually encompass the bitcoin community that matters no?
thestringpuller: thus as long as the keyserver isn't compromised you can trust the key distribution?
pankkake: it's the first characters of the fingerprint or something? anyway, it shouldn't be relied on, but sadly it is
mircea_popescu: that eventually is misplaced. it originally was the case, back in 2011.
mircea_popescu: then as various ignorant noobs got added that figure they "know shit" and "have businesses" and so on...
mircea_popescu: easiest test in the book. you're not in the wot, you're not to be taken seriously. 5000 reddit votes notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: pankkake afaik it's the last.
mircea_popescu: j'ai formater mon disque dure et j'ai perdu ma wallet et j'ai que la clé. est ce que je peut recuperer mon bitcoin a partir de la clé
mircea_popescu: bwaghag
mircea_popescu: o lordy.
pankkake: I usually say that the only way people learn to backup is by painful experience (like I did :|)
pankkake: bitcoin is going to make it even more painful
pankkake: hehe "unfortunately the activity in the Securities section lately seems to be dominated primarily by one of two things: 1) people trying to recover funds from an old "investment" that was poorly managed or an outright scam, or 2) people trying to attract funds for a new "investment" that is poorly managed or an outright scam"
mircea_popescu: and 3. mpoe-pr going "see here", "fuck you" and "retard"
pankkake: I read again the https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.0 and it made much more sense
mircea_popescu: lessstupid.net
mircea_popescu: to quote my good friend pankkake, he said : "the only way people learn to backup is by painful experience"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.04853004 = 0.4853 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.32038333 = 3.8446 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: http://www.coinion.com/2013/12/07/employee-asks-to-be-paid-in-bitcoins-buys-company-the-next-day/
mircea_popescu: hahaha cool.
mircea_popescu: who runs coinonion ?
pankkake: The United States dollar, a real-life currency created by a group of revolutionaries after overthrowing the local authorities in North America, has almost doubled in value over the last 24 hours.
mircea_popescu: :D
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354054.0
ozbot: Introducing: The Coinion, Bitcoin's Finest News Source Onion-clone for Bitcoin
thestringpuller: good stuff
mircea_popescu: pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354054.msg3878420#msg3878420
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
pankkake: nice
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people realise that is actually MORE than what the average senior editor of fortune.com is paid on a per-article basis.
pankkake: depend on how much a 2015 bitcoin is worth
thestringpuller: fortune.com has an editor?
mircea_popescu: pankkake i meant today.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.02716001 = 0.8148 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02700001 = 0.135 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.1525 = 0.915 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 13 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <jurov> http://megiontechnologies.com/career.html multicultural team ftw
jurov: *rubs eyes* who keeps bothering me?
mircea_popescu: lol gmornin
jurov: mornin
jurov: $avg
mpexbot: jurov: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if smickles reads his gribble later tells.
mircea_popescu: to state it for the record : i will never read a pdf "financial report" of something trying to call itself a bitcoin public company.
mircea_popescu: if you're publishing pdf reportsa that means that 1. you're not part of bitcoin finance and 2. the most you will get is ridicule.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, what's so wrong with pdfs ? except the obvious potential security issues
pankkake: meh
pankkake: there are bigger fish to fry
pankkake: at least it's a report, beats 99% of securities
pankkake: the French say "there are other cats to flog", much better
nubbins`: heh
jurov: thestringpuller pm
mircea_popescu: except ?!
nubbins`: d'autres chats!
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's a good idea to get people used to doing the right thing early.
mircea_popescu: this is a huge fish to skin, in that it costs nothing to establish correct precedent, and it'll be perfectly imossible to fix once a microsoft exists
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.15333333 = 0.46 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: so please, for the love of your own future and for the love of the future of your kids and the young women you fuck and will probably survive you :
mircea_popescu: do not motherfucking read pdf "reports".
mircea_popescu: they ain't reports, they're stupidorts.
nubbins`: even if they have two-inch margins on all sides?
mircea_popescu: even if.
mircea_popescu: and the same princuople goes to the "devteam" retards implememnting pki ☟︎
mircea_popescu: since we're on the topic.
jurov: send niggers.txt instead
Apocalyptic: :)
mircea_popescu: totally.
nubbins`: https://onlycoin.com/
nubbins`: interesting idea, no chip+PIN support and therefore useless
mircea_popescu: "as seen on" is the mark of failure i've noticed.
nubbins`: also gotta say i fucking hate this new "endless scroll" type of website
nubbins`: "features don't impress you? how about the new york times logo?"
mircea_popescu: at least some idiots got the "coin" name, that's a relief.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: "all your cards. one coin. unless you live outside of the usa, in which case none of your cards."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.02700001 = 0.486 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.027 = 0.81 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: man I love arch, such a neat distro
thestringpuller: are we talking about that coin card
thestringpuller: which is a joke
Apocalyptic: doesn't come with all the useless shit you'll never use anyway like in debian
thestringpuller: all the "Computer Scientist" are raving about
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller right.
mircea_popescu: that's the other mark of failure.
nubbins`: truth sauce
nubbins`: i mean
nubbins`: i'm a "computer scientist"
nubbins`: wtf do i know about anything?
mircea_popescu: you read wired religiously.
pankkake: Apocalyptic: http://repository.headfucking.net/Images/Nerdy/distros.png http://repository.headfucking.net/Images/Nerdy/archlinux.png (though I do like Arch, the devs clearly aren't as good as Gentoo's)
thestringpuller: Gentoo takes too long to install shit on slow computers due to compile source at installation time
pankkake: I know :/ I still run it on a Celeron 500 MHz
thestringpuller: lololol
thestringpuller: that must be painful
thestringpuller: emerge links2
thestringpuller: 30 minutes remaining
pankkake: well it doesn't have many packages and enabled features thankfully :)
Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, you do compile from source on arch too
thestringpuller: oh really?
thestringpuller: i thought pacman just brought in newest packages, and those were compiled remote
thestringpuller: i haven't used arch just gentoo so I don't know
pankkake: there is the AUR, which is basically user-contributed builds
pankkake: but for obvious security reasons they aren't allowed to distribute the binaries, only the build instructions
pankkake: it's a good idea, though the quality isn't always there ;)
mircea_popescu: has anyone so far tried to sneak malware in through ascii build ionstructions ?
pankkake: build instructions in documentation, or in scripts? I'm sure most people don't check the build scripts, even from untrusted sources
mircea_popescu: heh.
pankkake: ubuntu PPA look like they're built the right way, user uploads source, but trusted third party builds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00078742 = 4.3702 BTC [+]
pankkake: there's http://gitian.org/ too
thestringpuller: doesn't ppa require you to sign the package?
thestringpuller: the third party that is
pankkake: the source package maybe? and then they sign the binary? this is just guesses, I never did it
mircea_popescu: uyah ubuntu had the right idea there.
thestringpuller: http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702304096104579240213383697076-lMyQjAxMTAzMDAwODEwNDgyWj - wow
thestringpuller: just
thestringpuller: wow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 684 @ 0.002956 = 2.0219 BTC [+] {2}
Apocalyptic: "world's finest financial writers" // read our senior editors who have no clue
pankkake: also, that "tulip mania" thing is probably a myth
pankkake: there's only one source ever, no trace of actual losses
pankkake: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/tulipmania
ozbot: How much of the legend of the 17th-Century tulipmania is true?
thestringpuller: I write better than this for papers due in school and still get points marked off, yet this gets through the editors?
thestringpuller: i don't want to live in this country anymore
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1805 @ 0.00296756 = 5.3564 BTC [+] {5}
kakobrekla: thats not a matter of country.
pankkake: it's the same everywhere. it's the planet
mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, it wasn't a myth
kakobrekla: id bet its the universe
pankkake: let's go te the moon together
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00298497 = 0.3045 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: and there are traces. for instance the aggrivied merchants petitioned the court to rule on whether people who bought on promise are liable for the value promised or for the value actual
mircea_popescu: the court ruled fuck you.
pankkake: they didn't invent bailouts yet?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the bs is funny. "none of the obsolete people have any idea of why exactly it is they're obsolete"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1217 @ 0.00298611 = 3.6341 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: well fucking duh with pink fringe and a lemon slice on top
mircea_popescu: if they did have a clue they would be here.
mircea_popescu: pankkake no, at the time freedom was a living thing.
pankkake: I'm not that convinced Bitcoin Is The Future. actually, the feeling that is was dominated by 15-year-old gamers with GPUs made me stay away for long (well, I'd be rich if I didn't)
pankkake: but everything that was almost-working is failing
mircea_popescu: it's the future alright.
Apocalyptic: I think we agree on that
pankkake: I have no doubts that fiat is dead/dying. just doubts about bitcoin surviving it
pankkake: well, the best would be that I try to build something interesting around bitcoin instead of lamenting :)
mircea_popescu: :p
Apocalyptic: go for it pankkake !
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.003 = 0.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00078742 = 4.0946 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, what are your thoughts about protoshares ?
thestringpuller: Jun 2016: today Ben Bernanke addressed congress, "I have been replaced by a computer network, and am unfortunatley obsolete. I have no idea how this happened but I reccommend the US switch the Bitcoin standard."
KRS1: haha
kakobrekla: the next moment btc crashes
nubbins`: lel
pankkake: http://fakevalley.com/greenspans-bitcoin-comment-triggers-an-algo-trading-frenzy/
ozbot: Bitcoin Enthusiasts Thrilled After Greenspan Calls Bitcoin A 'Bubble' - FakeValley
pankkake: love the "I go all-in on anything he calls a bubble"
KRS1: Chatter everywhere says they've tracked down the elusive fontas. Here is a picture of him: http://www.strangefunkidz.com/images/content/117901.jpg
pankkake: the best haircut altcoins can buy
KRS1: seren1ty: Fontas punched my wife in the face last night. This morning she pooped bitcoins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.0077 = 0.231 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0029995 = 2.9995 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00299991 = 4.4999 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic nothing good, but too soon to be definite.
mircea_popescu: i thought fontas was usagi's otherkin
thestringpuller: usagi is using a new moniker now?
thestringpuller: he still owes me 15 btc
thestringpuller: not like he could ever payt hat
Apocalyptic: what is usagi remembered for these days ,
thestringpuller: insurance fraud
thestringpuller: mining fraud
thestringpuller: fake silver
thestringpuller: lol
pankkake: fake silver? :o
thestringpuller: jk, that was me trolling, but he ran a btc->silver fund
thestringpuller: I'm in the middle of processing TU.SILVER holders right now, in fact I just handled a 10 oz and a 40oz redemption (the 40 is shipping out today if the post office is open). No one's silver is missing.
thestringpuller: Just send me a message signed with your public withdrawal address and I'll get back to you. As you can imagine going to the post office 40 or 50 times is a little time consuming with everything else I have to do. Thx ^^
thestringpuller: or you know you could just cash settle the shares by you know liquidating the silver into BTC
thestringpuller: but who am I to judge
pankkake: I like the idea of silver or gold funds, but they don't seem to last long
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.00299991 = 0.327 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: whatever happened to coinabul?
jurov: thestringpuller afaik there were problems caused by exchange rate fluctuations and undelivered packages
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4510 @ 0.00049997 = 2.2549 BTC [+] {5}
thestringpuller: i need a gucci hoodie
thestringpuller: someone hook me up with a gucci hoodie
Kleeck: .d
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 353 blocks | Estimated Change: 26.7046% in 1d 18h 58m 48s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00299908 = 2.9991 BTC [-] {6}
thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 35 minutes and 7 seconds ago: <jurov> thestringpuller afaik there were problems caused by exchange rate fluctuations and undelivered packages
mircea_popescu: pankkake usagi ran a nest of lolcompanies in 2012,
pankkake: yeah I saw that
mircea_popescu: they kept selling insurance policies to one another and then foregoing on collecting and all sorts of nutty accounting schemes
mircea_popescu: it was a texbook example of, give a kitten a computer, it's going to take a nap on it
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3880810#msg3880810 mother of gods
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ty
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mircea_popescu: so i just took a bite out of a usb stick
mircea_popescu: because i had some chocklate on my table and i reached for it w/o looking
jcpham: it usually takes me 3 tries to plug in usb
mircea_popescu: oddly enough, into the mouth it plugs on the 1st try
jcpham: i bet
mircea_popescu: they sjould make these things sturdier thno
mircea_popescu: i fucking bent it
jcpham: all of mine ar just bare pcb's
jcpham: the plastic case always breask
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 25 @ 0.0077 = 0.1925 BTC
thestringpuller: lol on of my buddies just made a storyboard for a nice intro to gpg video
thestringpuller: that states "If you want to enter the crypto currency game, you need to use crypto!"
mircea_popescu: win.
pankkake: mircea_popescu: you might like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358820.msg3874939#msg3874939
pankkake: but doing this (risking money just to disprove random guys) tells me it's time to step away from the computer
mircea_popescu: you know how patrick harnett got sunk right ?
pankkake: don't know who that is at all
mircea_popescu: a!
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121915.0
ozbot: Scammer tag: PatrickHarnett
mircea_popescu: so i guess i'm at least 500 btc ahead of you in that game
pankkake: :o
mircea_popescu: i ain't steppin' away, i'm steppin ON.
thestringpuller: Patrick Harnett is still playing banker?!?!?
mircea_popescu: nah, but pankkake is starting down the glorious path of "here's 0.1 btc says you're fulla shit"
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is why god created money in the first place.
thestringpuller: that is how you busted open his scam though
pankkake: actually I linked for the replies
pankkake: why god created money? so you're satoshi?
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thestringpuller: did you ever get any of that deposit back btw mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: no.
thestringpuller: man woe is the days of 2012
mircea_popescu: the guy, of course, claims he has been making payments, except, of course, to meanies such as me, who wouldn't lie about how he defaulted in the first place.
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust PatrickHarnett
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user PatrickHarnett: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=PatrickHarnett | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PatrickHarnett | Rated since: Tue Mar 6 17:02:32 2012
thestringpuller: lol
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is pretty much the oldest trick in the scambook, try and stack the incentives so that people won't report.
thestringpuller: i wonder what these "bankers" thought they would invest in...
thestringpuller: it feels like people were taking loans to pay loans to pay loans
mircea_popescu: aka pulling yourself out of the shit by your breeches
pankkake: isn't it what people do in the fiat world?
thestringpuller: in the fiat world people take insurance out on a loan default
thestringpuller: then bribe the loanee to repay the loan late
mircea_popescu: lol
thestringpuller: aka burning down the bar for the insurance money
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/a-simple-example-as-to-why-fiat-institutions-cant-stand/#comment-96662 << this is proceeding nicely.
ozbot: A simple example as to why fiat institutions can’t stand pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: so i got this very dry supposed horse salamy from this weird neoprotestant group that's trying to start a sort of crafts convent
mircea_popescu: this shit is so good i'm getting suspicious
thestringpuller: i think one benefit of GPG contracts in the long run is as bitcoin ages, the barrier of entry into WoT becomes much higher
pankkake: I wouldn't trust any romanian food
truffles: lol
pankkake: well I suppose to enter the WoT you'd need older people to vouch you, and to risk a bit of their reputation
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> this shit is so good i'm getting suspicious // horse salamy from Hungaria is the best
truffles: horse, the next red meat?
mircea_popescu: pankkake you kidding ? romanian food > french food.
truffles: 0.0
mircea_popescu: i kid you not.
thestringpuller: pankkake: exactly, that means 1) you know someone who is reputable IRL and get rated accordingly based on business doings there, or 2) you start from the bottom which will get lower and lower
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00078841 = 2.3652 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: all scammers seem to do is make the distance between the bottom of the barrel and the truly trustworthy larger to traverse
truffles: chicken breast schnitzel doesnt sound like Romanian origins
pigeons: hores salamy is people
pankkake: mircea_popescu: http://www.france24.com/en/20130209-findus-horsemeat-ready-meals-lasagne-food-scare-europe-contamination-uk-france-sweden
pankkake: not that I would ever eat anything from Findus
mircea_popescu: which is a valuable public service.
thestringpuller: but alas there will always be n00bs killed by the woodchipper
truffles: saami ..
nubbins`: horse is big in quebec
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com the woodchipper
gribble: The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/>
nubbins`: can't buy it elsewhere in canada tho
nubbins`: i'm curious to know how it tastes
nubbins`: well. i shouldn't say you "can't buy" it
nubbins`: it's just never available for sale
mircea_popescu: truffles not a matter of origins or w/e, i'm just saying, i give you and a romanian chick 100 euros each, whoever makes the best platter wins.
mircea_popescu: pigeons lmao
truffles: taste depends on preference
mircea_popescu: got me there.
mircea_popescu: some people for instance have no taste.
pigeons: ;)
truffles: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977234665 that looks good at least
ozbot: Romanian Food For Supper (recipes included) | Gather
davout: did someone start a french vs. romanian food trell ?
truffles: think so
truffles: french win with just desserts imo
davout: french win, there isn't much more to say, romanian food is pretty good though!
davout: pankkake: all the jokes including horse meat and romanians were already made on this thread around a year ago or sthg like that
davout: s/thread/chan/
pankkake: I figured… and I probably did it once already too :/
pankkake: French cuisine is quite generic, south west and south east are already quite different
truffles: orly
truffles: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/61233877.jpg guess they aim for the weird
mircea_popescu: davout for some values of someone
mircea_popescu: but anyway! romanian > french, strictly because the french agriculture died in the 60s
mircea_popescu: romania is still there. i can go to a peasant house and buy a "hand"smoked ham, or raw milk. it'd be half a mile away
Apocalyptic: that's awesome
mircea_popescu: you *can* get stuff of comparable quality in france, too
pankkake: do they take bitcoins?
mircea_popescu: it's just a lot more of a hassle and way more expensive.
mircea_popescu: no, they don't.
pankkake: oh, so you won't survive the global collapse anyway
mircea_popescu: yes, i will, because i will fuck their daughters and to appease me they will bring me cheese
truffles: uh dunno what agriculture has to do with who cooks best..
mircea_popescu: and all manners of leberwurst
mircea_popescu: truffles you can't be serious. where do you think food comes from.
truffles: ...
davout: mircea_popescu: i am interested in this leberwurst you speak of
davout: also as a matter of fact i bring my kid drink raw milk directly from the cow, as in, it's not hard to go on a farm :-)
davout: it might be easier in romania tho
truffles: dunno why the products would be different when comparing, if so dont c why its a problem to obtain
mircea_popescu: well you know what it is neh ?
mircea_popescu: davout we have little automated things here, you insert 3 lei and get a liter.
truffles: http://www.sausagemaking.org/acatalog/blood.jpg that looks yum doesnt it
jurov: yup it is
nubbins`: raw milk
nubbins`: one sec
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-farmer-guilty-of-selling-raw-milk-1.989663
ozbot: Ontario farmer guilty of selling raw milk - Toronto - CBC News
pankkake: I thought this was only banned in US
truffles: canada is practically US
truffles: is it the head or the rear..
davout: mircea_popescu: that is cool
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nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schmidt_(agriculture)
ozbot: Michael Schmidt (agriculture) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: ARMED COPS
nubbins`: raided his farm
dub: all cops are armed tho rite?
dub: are they going to leave their guns behind for this one job?
truffles: saw video of canadian cops shooting kid on bus..
davout: mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/rAeUz3g.png <<< further questions?
mircea_popescu: dub not rly. at least here.
mircea_popescu: davout well... it's not a farm you know what i mean ?
dub: yeah, not armed here either but in ameristan
truffles: nubbins` what happened to canada!
mircea_popescu: cool and good for the kid and everything, but that cow aint happy there.
nubbins`: truffles: conservative government
davout: mircea_popescu: it's just milking time, maybe you're referring to the really old-school ones where everything's done by hand ?
mircea_popescu: show me one where a girl with nice tits and no bra, red in her cheeks, just hand milked the cow in a bucket.
mircea_popescu: yeah
davout: haha
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davout: does it *have* to be a cow milked in the bucket?
nubbins`: whale milk is like 50% fat
mircea_popescu: jus' sayin'. you're already doing pretty good.
nubbins`: zoos are missing out
nubbins`: imagine the cheese!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.003 = 0.975 BTC [-]
nubbins`: not sure what taste a plankton diet would put on it tho
dub: so there are food safety standards for a reason
mircea_popescu: algae, same thing as grass.
mircea_popescu: prolly sushi flavoured cheese.
truffles: so why's raw milk bad
dub: not to rain on a libertarian indignity parade but you can't just sell people shit that might kill them
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nubbins`: truffles: it's not.
dub: it can be
nubbins`: in the sense that raw beef isn't bad
nubbins`: but dub has it
mircea_popescu: dub everything might kill you.
nubbins`: it *can be* bad
nubbins`: and so therefore
nubbins`: it is banned
nubbins`: tyvm o milky overlords
truffles: something to do with what they feed em like mad cow?
mircea_popescu: in principle, people should be responsible for what they do.
jurov: wtf? they normally sell raw milk here from a machines, with warning you should cook it
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah.
nubbins`: jurov warnings are so european
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it's the same principle, as this italian company begun merchandising its machinery to farmers all over.
nubbins`: the new world prefers legislation
dub: yeah you can't just warn peopl ein murica
mircea_popescu: dub it's not even prominent a warning
mircea_popescu: you could easily miss it.
jurov: http://www.pluska.sk/fotogaleria-zdravie/?foto=&clanok=288180
jurov: the warnig is there in red
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: that's the machine.
dub: thats not suitable at all
dub: a) it requires the ability to read
nubbins`: okay so seriously tho
mircea_popescu: it should be written IN THE MILK
truffles: what if u make it for just ur family dub?
nubbins`: horse salami
nubbins`: is this dry salami?
nubbins`: like will it keep?
dub: truffles: thats fine
mircea_popescu: it usually is dry yes
mircea_popescu: you can have it wet too, in pepper usually.
nubbins`: i'm curious to try some
dub: b) the mobility scooter access is in question
mircea_popescu: dub lazymobile ?
nubbins`: i've been on a big tube-meat kick lately
nubbins`: but kolbasa is so pricey
truffles: since we're on safety, what about Bisphenol A !
nubbins`: truffles: banned in canada
nubbins`: er wait no
nubbins`: not banned
nubbins`: but health canada sez it's a carcinogen
dub: theres also the thing about how your gut gets used to the shit you put it through
truffles: then it wouldve been banned in US too :p
nubbins`: receipts are still coated in it, but you can't find drink containers made of it anymore
nubbins`: dub, this is why montezuma's revenge only targets whitey
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: hmmm
nubbins`: i wonder could i reasonably make salami
nubbins`: i've got a huge chunk of moose in the freezer
nubbins`: not personally
nubbins`: i have some connections tho
truffles: this will suck if BPA is in my alcohol :(
nubbins`: ^ argument for glass
nubbins`: ok supper time, seeya later
truffles: later
nubbins`: will have more questions about horse salami
nubbins`: peace
mircea_popescu: good salami is hard to make.
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mike_c: mircea_popescu, s.nsa november statement coming soon? i'm curious to see how much r&d cost.
mircea_popescu: yeah. no charges in nov either.
mike_c: ah, nice. a good month to not spend btc :)
mircea_popescu: which explains how it fell through the cracks ;/
mircea_popescu: ima have it published today.
jurov: you were bickering about rng whole month?
jurov: :D
wao-ender: heh
mircea_popescu: jurov no, but asciilifeform is also independently wealthy, and in an uncharacteristic fashion for btc enterprises we're not charging before stuff actually works.
mircea_popescu: best possible deal for investors i guess.
jurov: wao-ender: who is gonna to forward this convo to slush&stick?
jurov: i like to ruffle their feathers
truffles: truffle their feathers :D
wao-ender: :D
wao-ender: at thursday I was talking irl to their casing vendor
wao-ender: he is not that.. smiley as they are
wao-ender: :D
wao-ender: #uaskweleak
mircea_popescu: mind that im not saying this is how all corps should do or anything
jurov: mkay, i'll just remind them to never publish pdf statements
jurov: cuz it's unbitcoinish
Apocalyptic: nigga.txt would do
pankkake: they'll publish .xlsx statements
pankkake: or .swf!
pankkake: punch the monkey to see our financials
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 225 @ 0.003 = 0.675 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yeah, make it activex
pankkake: make every S.MG financial a quest
mircea_popescu: epic quest, only 1 per server.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 17 @ 0.1163 = 1.9771 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00080304 = 2.1682 BTC [+]
nubbins`: .xlsx is preferable because an old version of excel won't open it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 648 @ 0.00301719 = 1.9551 BTC [+] {3}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0031 = 1.55 BTC [+]
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pankkake: YES
pankkake: I no longer have neobees
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