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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00412568 = 1.444 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-newsweek-is-remembered-as-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit/
ozbot: In which Newsweek is remembered as a contemptible piece of shit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popes
artifexd: mircea_popescu mike_c made a comment that would have fit nicely into that post. Something along the lines of "Leave the man alone. Either he is the real Satoshi and deserves our respect. Or he isn't and you're bothering the wrong guy."
mike_c: oh yeah, somebody in here was talking about driving over to his house.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mike_c: ;;calc (16**17) / 600
gribble: 491913175298921408
mike_c: ^ we'll need 491 petahases for 17 zeros
artifexd: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2014#550104 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: so what's the problem with 500 ph
mike_c: no problem. more zeros is good.
mircea_popescu: haha. best largest amount of zeros
mike_c: more zeros in front of hash means more zeros at end of btc exchange rate :)
mike_c: do these metaphors just come to you? "If this story was motivated by a quest for truth I am an alien shooting lasers from my ears"
artifexd: mike_c there was a block with 17 zeros 9 months ago
mike_c: number?
artifexd: http://blockr.io/block/info/239572
mike_c: i suppose right now something ~ 1/16 blocks should have 17 zeros
mike_c: picture of mircea: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gw9I8MBfDYM/SUeSic5kk3I/AAAAAAAAAdo/FgMugBJRviM/s800/laser.jpg
mircea_popescu: mike_c lol. but i mean... it's not THAT out there is it ?
mike_c: no i liked it. i just wonder what train of thought lead there
mircea_popescu: i dunno, just randomness
artifexd: mike_c, 17 zeros does appear common now. 289404, 289364, 289358... the list goes on
mike_c: if 16 zeros is required, they ought to get 17 zeros by happenstance 1/16 times or so
artifexd: Heck, 286259 has 18 zeros.
mike_c: 1/256 :) math is cool that way
artifexd: concur
[\]: to the fap cave: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/p480x480/1622885_489649931157277_1482020240_n.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00087131 = 11.327 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i see your fapcave and i raise you http://24.media.tumblr.com/574192b342acc15765953d5da7e8e787/tumblr_mjks6b24Ay1qa0zf5o1_1280.jpg
gecko_x2: weird that there's no thread about the mtgox database theft
gecko_x2: one would think that millions of users would be interested if their passports leak
mircea_popescu: some guy was offering to sell it neh ?
gecko_x2: yeah
mircea_popescu: mtgox never had millions of users, get a hold of yourself
gecko_x2: i just got banned from ##mtgox-chat
gecko_x2: well u get the point
gecko_x2: it's a majority of bitcoin users
gecko_x2: with passports, bank account details, home addresses etc
gecko_x2: pretyt important
gecko_x2: i pm's this one guy that turned out to be a op on ##mtgox-chat
gecko_x2: about him trying to help this nanashi character that was trying to flog the database for personal gain
gecko_x2: as u can see in the pastebin log
gecko_x2: and yet.. no thread on bitcointalk
gecko_x2: lol
gecko_x2: seems like an international conspiracy of some sorts :p
gecko_x2: well MP.. they did have 1 million users
gecko_x2: "The site had 1 million customers as of December 2013, according to a document posted on the Web that was purported to be a leaked business plan."
gecko_x2: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/540005/lost_translation_tangled_tale_mt_gox_missing_millions/
ozbot: Lost in translation: the tangled tale of Mt. Gox's missing millions - e-commerce, Mt. Gox, security,
mircea_popescu: what, one believes what mtgox says now ?
ThickAsThieves: millions is a lot more than 1 mil as well
gecko_x2: ?
gecko_x2: the issue was about the stolen database
gecko_x2: i just find it weird that there is no talk
dexX7: haha hey gecko
dexX7: where is gox database?
gecko_x2: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zeuoy/rumors_of_20gb_of_data_stolen_from_mtgox/
gecko_x2: hi dexx
ozbot: Rumors of 20GB of data stolen from MtGox : Bitcoin
dexX7: yea i saw that, but the db is not available, right??
gecko_x2: i mean this user at the end of that pastebin
gecko_x2: was trying to help this nanashi dude
mircea_popescu: let's do some math :
gecko_x2: in flogging the database
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 20 * 10**9 / 10**6
gribble: 20000
mircea_popescu: dja know what i did there ?
gecko_x2: and he just banned me from ##mtgox-chat for pointing out that he should report the suse to interpol or something, not help him
gecko_x2: he claimed he was trying to protect me lol
gecko_x2: suse=issue
dexX7: you're mapping file size to customers?
mircea_popescu: if they had 1mn customers the average passport scan is 20kb
dexX7: a database file is certainly not an image or whatsoever
mircea_popescu: yes, the claim is that this is.
dexX7: and i doubt those are base64 encoded and stored there
mircea_popescu: why base64 ?!
dexX7: no, the claim is they are in posession of a 20 gb database and the guy further ensured that they are not looking forward to leak verification docs but they may have that
mircea_popescu: then what'd be in the db ?
dexX7: contact infos, transaction histories etc., i'd guess
B007: I almost want to buy that db
dexX7: i mentioned base64 encoded related to "store images in a database"
mircea_popescu: i thought the claim was as to a bunch of passport scans
mircea_popescu: otherwise who'd buy a db of some txs
dexX7: i'm not aware of this and i'm also not aware that it was ever discussed this db will be up for sale
mircea_popescu: dexX7 yes, but it makes no sense. why'd you base64, what is this, db-over-email ?
dexX7: :D
mircea_popescu: dexX7 what are yu on about, that was the discussion, some nanashi dude on forum/etc
mircea_popescu: offering to sell whatever
B007: "willing to sell it in pieces, 10BTC for 2gb of data"
dexX7: wait, what pastebin is that?
B007: http://pastebin.com/mzkfW20u
dexX7: i only saw this one: http://pastebin.com/N7B5DC4d
mircea_popescu: haha so wait, the dude figures someone cares enough about mtgox to pay 100 btc for their tx history ?
mircea_popescu: nobody was willing to pay 100 btc for mtgox whole.
mircea_popescu: such optimism.
dexX7: sounds like scam
dexX7: "send btc, you surely get the data"
dexX7: or
dexX7: "contact me for samples, so i know who the bad guys are"
gecko_x2: well if my passport and home address is in there
gecko_x2: then there is a problem
B007: "I will verify that I am in possesion of this data before you make purchase. Interested buyers can contact me and I will send you all information contained in file about you personally. No one contact asking for parts of the file for free/me to send file before payment."
gecko_x2: i mean
gecko_x2: what idiot would try to sell it on irc anyways?
mircea_popescu: irc is the place. where else ?
mircea_popescu: on newsweek ?
copumpkin: IRC is like drug boats
gecko_x2: lol
dexX7: so did anyone confirm this guy really has the data?
mircea_popescu: i dunno anyone has cared.
dexX7: hehe, well gecko appearingly does :)
gecko_x2: i find it amazing that nobody seems to care
gecko_x2: oh lol
gecko_x2: that stupid script still runs hehe
mircea_popescu: why ?
B007: people would care more if it was a cc dump
gecko_x2: a database of 1 million + bitcoin users with passports, home address and bank acount details?
gecko_x2: why?
gecko_x2: well.. i dunno
gecko_x2: maybe it's just me!
gecko_x2: hehe
gecko_x2: ofcourse. leave it to the great mircea popescu to just scorn and spit on anyone that talks about it
cazalla: i'd like to know if they actually deleted your data after 90 days when closing your account as they said they would
gecko_x2: just like with every other issue
gecko_x2: i bet that's why ppl love you so much on bitcointalk threads :p
gecko_x2: MP seems to me you think you are smarter that the rest of the world
gecko_x2: that's why everyone likes you.
B007: gecko_x2: Vantaa, Finland
mircea_popescu: gecko_x2 you two will have to decide at some point if you wish to talk sense or not.
mircea_popescu: i thought we just established that a) no 1mn and b) no passports.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8479 @ 0.00087187 = 7.3926 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00087131 = 9.4537 BTC [-]
gecko_x2: what do you mean no passports?
gecko_x2: did you just decuce that fact in your brilliant head?
gecko_x2: and now it's fact?
gecko_x2: deduce even
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;calc 20 * 10**9 / 10**6
mircea_popescu: <gribble> 20000
gecko_x2: wtf does that mean?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2769 @ 0.00404112 = 11.1899 BTC [-] {18}
gecko_x2: you can fit lots of data in 20GB
mircea_popescu: it means that a 20gb file containing 1mn records is limited to 20kb per record.
mircea_popescu: pay attention, srsly. this is a fast crowd here.
gecko_x2: lol
gecko_x2: whatever man
gecko_x2: you don't know what's in the database
dexX7: well, i requested a sample
mircea_popescu: well apparently it's mostly ascii porn
B007: that would be worth it
B007: good ascii artists are hard to find
gecko_x2: reminds me of VLC's ascii output plugin
gecko_x2: it's pretty awesome
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.005994 = 0.1798 BTC [+] {2}
B007: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
mircea_popescu: im sure it doesn't cost 5btc/gb
mircea_popescu: even if they are hard to find
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.005994 = 0.2398 BTC [+] {2}
dexX7: B007: haha that's awesome, just started watching
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.005995 = 0.2878 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: that's starwars if memory serves?
dexX7: yup
cazalla: that's still up huh
cazalla: and i would guess gox count their 1m account as those registered, not just funded/active or verified
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005996 = 0.1499 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005996 = 0.1199 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cazalla well sure, 1mn accts !==== 1mn people
cazalla: that too
cazalla: maybe the 20Gb represents 5% of people who verified and the remaining 1Gb represents the other 95% of people and is just username + email
mircea_popescu: at any rate, ~20gb worth of passport scans is, if memory serves, in the 2-3k range
mircea_popescu: so whatever, a coupla btc.
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 636.27, Best ask: 638.42, Bid-ask spread: 2.15000, Last trade: 638.42, 24 hour volume: 21470.82252535, 24 hour low: 613.45, 24 hour high: 668.7, 24 hour vwap: 637.99719502
cazalla: i would guess a lot of people just send 5mb jpegs too
cazalla: instead of resizing
mircea_popescu: yeah but you resize them for storage
mircea_popescu: generally the way this crap works in practice, you have a size. if you get sent stuff under that size you return it as illegible,
mircea_popescu: if over, you downsize and save
cazalla: 20kb sufficient for that? i thought you need to keep a certain resolution
mircea_popescu: course... mtgox...
mircea_popescu: cazalla nah, it'd be something like 500kb
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.005997 = 0.1139 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: psh who downsizes things
benkay: stowage be cheap.
benkay: ^^ sez every derpy web dev
mircea_popescu: benkay generally legal dept says so
mircea_popescu: because they for whatever reason i've never evaluated perceive if oyu're supoena'd it's better to offer uniform sizing
benkay: ...
mircea_popescu: conceivably they just want to avoid the edge case where judge wants to know how come the one id in the set we actually care about is also your smallest.
dexX7: "1.1 million of account and 550,000 verified customers"
mircea_popescu: this, of course, goes for businesses with like, actual COOs and GCs and whatnot
mircea_popescu: woefully out of place in mtgox context
mircea_popescu: dexX7 so ask him how come 550k verified fits in 20gb
dexX7: one after the other. i did get a response, but that was simply "Your email text was empty. I am not going to open any attachments." ... accidently sent my mail with the message in the attachment
gecko_x2: heh..
dexX7: there is also the chance that this guy will return an excerpt of the 2011 leak
kakobreklaa: or a bitstamp one
dexX7: true
dexX7: but to their defense, they already provided gox source code
mircea_popescu: the same people ?
dexX7: yes
dexX7: well, or let's say "a guy with the name nanashi on irc"
mircea_popescu: lolk
kakobreklaa: supposedly gox code
mircea_popescu: you can't verify it's actually gox coide, not really, you can't verify it's not just some dude passing along some pastebin he's found god knows where.
mircea_popescu: kinda where the lack of interest starts. jack shit you can in facrt verify.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08199999 = 0.41 BTC [+]
dexX7: lukas-jr could. he is referenced multiple times in the code as email recipient for an alert that goes off in case of tx sending problems
dexX7: i received another answer
dexX7: containing an address
dexX7: which is not the one used for the gox registration
dexX7: but taken from a phone book
dexX7: or similar
kakobrekla: i could prolly somewhat verify the validity of the code if we had the api parts
gecko_x2: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2014/02/26/bitcoin-blogger-mt-gox-leak/
dexX7: http://pastebin.com/W8B3CGiN
dexX7: oh not this 2 bit idiot again
gecko_x2: lol
gecko_x2: just pasted.. i dunno about the author
mircea_popescu: taking bets on how long he takes to get tired and move on
mircea_popescu: im guessing a coupla months.
kakobrekla: zoo subjective
kakobrekla: too
mircea_popescu: "Ryan Selkis blew the whistle on Mt. Gox."
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: wait it gets better
mircea_popescu: "The full-time project is a company called Inscrypto, which is basically a privately-funded, decentralized version of the FDIC for Bitcoin. "
mircea_popescu: he's usagi.
dexX7: http://www.f6s.com/pictures/profiles/25/2463/246299_half.jpg
mircea_popescu: oh omaha.
kakobrekla: oh look aurora mkt cap half of ltcs
kakobrekla: at an amazing 19$
B007: when it's us dollars, it looks like $19 btw
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla shitty site is shitty ;/
kakobrekla: mhm
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm for bed.
B007: mircea_popescu: you should bet 1000 on something on your site ☟︎
dexX7: cya
B007: night
mircea_popescu: don't find satoshi while i sleep
B007: no worries
joecool: still trying to find Waldo tbh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00087072 = 12.103 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 271 @ 0.0056429 = 1.5292 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 905 @ 0.00017953 = 0.1625 BTC [-] {8}
dexX7: "That is extremely strange, I don't know how that could be. As far as I know you are the first person who's data has not been accurate. Is it possible that you had an older account associated with that email?" ... from the gox guys
kakobrekla: how do they verify it
dexX7: well, no one complained about data being incorrect maybe
nubbins`: http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
ozbot: Turning the Raspberry Pi Into an FM Transmitter - Imperial College Robotics Society Wiki
nubbins`: pirate radio ;0
dexX7: it's really odd. the data i received is indeed connected to me, but not mine. more like the one of a relative who is neither associated with my email address nor with bitcoin. and it was only "name/address/zip/city/country", no scans, id or whatsoever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 34 @ 0.02099939 = 0.714 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1800 @ 0.00459738 = 8.2753 BTC [-] {18}
ThickAsThieves: so it's a scam
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 78 @ 0.00455937 = 0.3556 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00087043 = 15.102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00087027 = 18.6238 BTC [-] {2}
chatquack: http://www.ronpaulchannel.com/video/dont-ask-government-regulate-bitcoin/?utm_source=RPFBG&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=DailyUpdate
ozbot: Don't Ask the Government to Regulate Bitcoin | Ron Paul Channel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00087108 = 2.5261 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00569928 = 0.3989 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 324 @ 0.00430995 = 1.3964 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00087224 = 7.5449 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.08299999 = 0.913 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: unrelated to anything:
asciilifeform: whoever snaps up that Tu bomber,
asciilifeform: where will he fly without swallowing a rocket up a tailpipe ?
joecool: asciilifeform: its probably cool in romania
asciilifeform: or will he convince every individual country to be flown over that this particular тушка isn't russian at all, no nukes really
joecool: asciilifeform: i mean, they'll hear it coming a lonngggg way away
KRS-One: yeh turbo props are crazy noisy
asciilifeform: not simply noisy
KRS-One: menacing
KRS-One: i had to fly in one to the bahamas once it sucked
joecool: use it for barnstorming @ night
joecool: neighbors will hate you
asciilifeform: it's radar shadow is probably hardcoded into every SAM battery on the planet.
KRS-One: lol yeah
asciilifeform: speaking of rockets,
asciilifeform: http://abcnews.go.com/International/malaysia-airlines-flight-missing-en-route-china/story?id=22827892
ozbot: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes, Four Americans on Board - ABC News
asciilifeform: can't wait to learn what 'interesting' people who 'can also have problems' were sitting in this one.
joecool: i wonder if propfans are nearly as loud
asciilifeform: 'The passengers are of 13 nationalities, the airline said. They were from China and Taiwan (154), Malaysia (38), Indonesia (12), Australia (7), France (3), United States (4), New Zealand (2), Ukraine (2), Canada (2), Russia (1), Italy (1), Netherlands (1), Austria (1).' (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane-missing)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0442499 = 0.1327 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02348998 = 0.1174 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.044 = 0.484 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04362553 = 0.4363 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00087008 = 10.615 BTC [-]
dexX7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4cQ_ZOWJ3Y i just noticed that dorian said "i don't work for that company (bitcoin) and i'm not aware of their product" :D
ozbot: Tracking down Bitcoin's creator - YouTube
MisterE: wtf? http://i.imgur.com/OpxXdbb.jpg
KRS-One: fags have too much time on their hands.
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/7e6d1b0b909330c26647b45485d892b3/tumblr_mv85k7k0ni1r21xm5o1_500.jpg
KRS-One: wow..well..she needs a bit more titteh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00087593 = 8.9783 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: KRS-One: no doubt
MisterE: I just got baked and sucked into the btce trollbox for an hour
MisterE: kinda fun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04425 = 0.1328 BTC [+]
chetty_: http://www.ihavebitcoins.com/featured/massive-btc-movements-send-tremors-though-bitcoin-community/
ozbot: Massive BTC Movements Send Tremors Though the Bitcoin Community - I Have Bitcoins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.005995 = 0.2518 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.602505 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00087705 = 8.1566 BTC [+]
MisterE: Vietnamese Navy says they have the crash at sea on radar. http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing--says-airline-023820132.html
pigeons: watched a whole movie with him and still am not quite sure i believe this "paul rudd" guy is not ben affleck
Luke-Jr: who is two bit idiot, and why does he want Roger Ver running the Bitcoin Foundation? :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00087705 = 5.1307 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00087008 = 9.0923 BTC [-]
dignork: Luke-Jr, two bit idiot is the dude who leaked mgox pdf
Luke-Jr: I know that
ThickAsThieves: I thought 2bitidiot is Ver?
KRS-One: funny
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: that would certainly make sense then!
ThickAsThieves: or at least Ver is two-bit idiot
cryptotrading: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQTM8NkbIVw
ozbot: Mt Gox Explained Andrew Ittleman, Andreas M Antonopoulos Ryan Selkis - YouTube
dexX7_: https://twitter.com/RyanSelkis < this is 2 idiot
ozbot: Ryan Selkis (RyanSelkis) on Twitter
greenut: btw Roger Vee.... not good thing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04398779 = 0.8798 BTC [-] {3}
chetty_: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/06/bitcoin_exchange_bleeds_money_after_hack_attack/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11283 @ 0.00086981 = 9.8141 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.08032883 = 1.2853 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00563 = 0.563 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 81 @ 0.00562105 = 0.4553 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 20000 @ 0.000115 = 2.3 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04449905 = 0.89 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4492 @ 0.00086981 = 3.9072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.0005 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 9844 @ 0.000105 = 1.0336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00087438 = 1.7488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 1408 @ 0.000154 = 0.2168 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9525 @ 0.00087524 = 8.3367 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6025 = 1.205 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00087695 = 2.4993 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08590962 = 0.1718 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.07562202 = 4.6886 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: i chuckled: http://imgur.com/5u5cg6r
MisterE: http://thoughtcrook.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/dear-mainstream-media-rtfm/
ozbot: Dear Newsweek: RTFM | Makeshift Kiosk
benkay: i gather we're in the backlash phase of this mainstream hype cycle
benkay: there's no price signal, so everyone's reduced to gibbering like animals about satoshi
benkay: errybody wanna bitcoin, so long as it's easily obtained from government-approved taps
chetty_: gubermint approved - oh noes, ruuuuuunnnnn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0749992 = 0.15 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dexX7_ so basically, the guy ran a google search
mircea_popescu: how long did he have to produce the bit ?
mircea_popescu: fatcock ?
mircea_popescu: that's a new one.
fatcock: yep
mircea_popescu: a wait you're the selkis dude ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135000 @ 0.00086827 = 117.2165 BTC [-] {7}
fatcock: never heard of him
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wanna bet that thing's in korea ?
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwej0olll91r254aoo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: (the best korea there is, of course)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63875 @ 0.00080768 = 51.5906 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr: who is two bit idiot, and why does he want Roger Ver running the Bitcoin Foundation? :/ << take a guess
mircea_popescu: or http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#543697 i guess, at your option. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: MisterE is that your blog ? /thoughtcrook ?
MisterE: no
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mircea_popescu: http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1443498/us-language-tutor-jailed-30-years-sexually-exploiting-children
ozbot: US language tutor jailed for 30 years for sexually exploiting children in China | South China Mornin
mircea_popescu: the chinese educational dilemma : to hire or not to hire us citizens ?
mircea_popescu: on one hand, they're all pedos. on the other hand, if you catch them you can deport them for a massive fat sentence.
mircea_popescu: what would one have, unmolested children or severely punished child molested ?
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MisterE: PatrickHarnett being sued?
mircea_popescu: people been making noises, but not actually afaik.
MisterE: http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news%2Fbizarre&id=9458272
ozbot: Oklahoma man chasing $20 gets lost in sewer system for two days | abc13.com
mircea_popescu: https://www.aclu.org/national-security/woman-detained-airport-files-suit
ozbot: Woman Detained at Airport Files Suit | American Civil Liberties Union
mircea_popescu: aclu huh ? is o'bammy losing the commie support ?
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dexX7_: why is it a thing what the foundation does or not does? i don't think they are in duty and they seem to do a lot of lobby work which i think is a good thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00400003 = 0.4 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: aite, be back a little later.
mircea_popescu: don't find satoshi while i'm gone yo!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 146 @ 0.00560165 = 0.8178 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 686 @ 0.00017944 = 0.1231 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11892 @ 0.0008337 = 9.9144 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0056 = 0.224 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 498 @ 0.00400077 = 1.9924 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00082976 = 5.5179 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5486409;topicseen#new Dr Greg loses some investor money cuz icbit/gox
ozbot: [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus
ThickAsThieves: or maybe he just needed some new shoes
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2371 @ 0.003745 = 8.8794 BTC [-] {23}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1629 @ 0.0036 = 5.8644 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-3220170
ozbot: Missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370: Passenger on board missing Jet carrying 239 people 'was usi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07439999 = 0.8184 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0721 = 0.721 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so is it in korea ? :D
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well at least he didn't lose it on the scientology of bitcoin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: damned if i know - i didn't meacon it
mircea_popescu: would be funny if it turns out this is how the greatest leader that ever was picks up nowadays
mircea_popescu: by the planefull.
asciilifeform: seems unlikely that NK would steal a box full of chinese
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: indeed, but it's fucking comedy gold
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, the fish ate well that day.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0056 = 0.1288 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah, pretty much the safe bet.
asciilifeform: linked 'mirror' piece claims a fellow with a nicked passport aboard.
asciilifeform: incidentally, not much has been spoken in public about the remote control mandatory on u.s.-made aircraft built since '9/11'
asciilifeform: (all the fat 'flying bus' machines are fly-by-wire, it's a mere firmware patch)
mircea_popescu: well... notrly wire.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this notion that you can (or should) fly commercial from the cockpit is nonsense in the first place, and was on the out since at least the 60s
mircea_popescu: graveyard spiral et all.
asciilifeform: forget airplanes, they put drivers back (!) on the wash. d.c. metro trains.
asciilifeform: 'by popular demand'
mircea_popescu: lol to do what
asciilifeform: herd isn't ready to be herded by loudspeaker yet
asciilifeform: they... open and close doors, mostly.
mircea_popescu: so what is the driver doing ?
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Guam2.ogv
mircea_popescu: this is some pretty epic shit btw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.59788693 = 13.7514 BTC [-] {9}
mircea_popescu: lucky the ukraine thing didn't happen in winter btw, or else it'd have been quite literal cold war.
asciilifeform: just as the ancients like to schedule planned wars in the warm season...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07439999 = 0.372 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/razlet-thought-on-the-topic-of-size-and-fitting/
ozbot: Razlet thought on the topic of size and fitting pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ThickAsThieves: aka - mp had sex with a midget
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: you kinda make a pretty big leap from razlet to dog sizes
mircea_popescu: kinda the nature of the beast
mircea_popescu: i mean, word.
mircea_popescu: http://www.activistpost.com/2014/03/8-events-that-prove-your-money-is-not.html
ozbot: Activist Post: 8 Events That Prove Your Money Is Not Safe In Europe, Or Anywhere
mircea_popescu: for the choir.
bitcoinpete: do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do-allo
ThickAsThieves: so if EU is shit, US is shit, where to go?
bitcoinpete: any thoughts here on jeff berwick?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00397924 = 0.1631 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: btw designers already can't handle different sized humans. I'm only 6'2" and can't fit properly into most cars
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00397924 = 0.3183 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves la serenissima.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete hes the guy with the galt gulch project neh ?
nubbins` shakes head
mircea_popescu: i'd guess the reaction is kinda lukewarm
nubbins`: there was a post on the forums last year about some guy making "bitcoin town"
nubbins`: he waited til around the tenth paragraph before he mentioned the forced ingestion of nootropics
mircea_popescu: what are those ?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu Ya, that's him alright. Also from my hometown incidentally.
bitcoinpete: Brain drugs, iirc
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: new thread, less cruft before you get to the meat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224478.0
mircea_popescu: why not just use the brain ?
bitcoinpete: it's expensive to do so
nubbins`: "Bitcoin town will work to protect, promote & repair the mental health of any willing citizens ... And we will work to be at the forefront of Neurogenesis and Synaptogenesis research."
mircea_popescu: aww, no qc ?
mircea_popescu: sucks.
nubbins`: next thing he's talking about datura and sweat lodges
mircea_popescu: it could have been right out of Master of Orion, this research
asciilifeform: powered by Amazing Phree Energy Overunity Drive!
[\]: balls
nubbins`: WHERE?!
ThickAsThieves: is la serenissima a fancy way of saying world's smallest violin?
[\]: nubbins`, I know of a couple but you can't have them.
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z314/Xenogears_of_Bore/orion_113.png
[\]: So I read through the pirate docs...
[\]: why didn't anyone tell me that I got fully repaid?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/
[\]: to think this whole time I got screwed
mircea_popescu: it's this mystical re-enactment of the venetian republic.
mircea_popescu: [\\\] people wanted you to have a nice surprise on mother's day.
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
[\]: but I'm not a mother
mircea_popescu: so you think.
mircea_popescu: SURPRISE
[\]: hot damn
mircea_popescu: wait, how the fuck is us mother's day on may 11th ?
mircea_popescu: that'
mircea_popescu: s dynasty day
mircea_popescu: real mother's day is march 8th
peterl: depends on where you live?
mircea_popescu: heresy
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[\]: is there anywhere but the USA?
peterl: I've only been places in the USA, so the rest of the world must not exist!
peterl: wait, no, I've been to Canada, but that's just about the same thing
mircea_popescu: that's how they came up with rome wisconsin
mircea_popescu: and also what put the new in new york
peterl: Which is bigger, York or New York?
mircea_popescu: york lol
mircea_popescu: ot
mircea_popescu: it's like 10k sqkm or some shit
mircea_popescu: largest county in england
mircea_popescu: "There are thousands of acres of in BC Canada that are owned by the Queen of England....If we squat there drill some wells and plant some trees. Do you really think the Queen is going to bring us an eviction notice or force us off the land with military force?"
mircea_popescu: umm.... yes ?
mircea_popescu: that thread on the neoweirdos delivers.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224478.msg2385486#msg2385486
ozbot: Let's Build a Town, Bitcoin Town
mircea_popescu: that's the clincher
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminiscent of this famous crackpot gem: http://www.iiicitadel.com
mircea_popescu: The Citadel is evolving as a planned community where residents are bound together by:
mircea_popescu: Patriotism
mircea_popescu: Pride in American Exceptionalism
mircea_popescu: what srsly ?
mircea_popescu: someone somewhere actually believes that *us people* are anything but exceptionally stupid nao ?!
mircea_popescu: i guess the very essex-looking walltower kinda makes the point better than 10k words
asciilifeform: clip art.
mircea_popescu: "i am proud of these unrelated people's feudal architecture!"
asciilifeform: afaik there's no tower, just a dirtbag with a sack of $
asciilifeform: from chumpers
mircea_popescu: HOUSING DETAILS: All homes will be built of poured concrete for exceptional strength and durability.
mircea_popescu: god help me
mircea_popescu: "live in a premodern jail!"
mircea_popescu: "Your home will be built to your specs (details available at this website) with utilities stubbed to the interior. You select the facade for the exterior of your home. You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice."
mircea_popescu: how about my choice of not living in a carved up rock ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0445999 = 0.892 BTC [+] {8}
asciilifeform: as far as i could tell, the thing is/was some combo of a usg honeypot and straight 'jam tomorrow, not today' chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record, the same exact situation is the case in romania
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07439998 = 0.2976 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: except you also get the choice to make a brick-in-concrete pillars with poured concrete foundation and wood roofing house,
mircea_popescu: like sane people.
mircea_popescu: and you can even use microcellular concrete or w/e you call it in english
asciilifeform: best part:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07439998 = 0.372 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: 'The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.'
mircea_popescu: "we just called it the citadel because the outhouse was taken
mircea_popescu: anyway, how would one design buildings to "withstand" direct military attacks ? use an abandoned salt mine or something ?
chetty_: hey lets round ourselves up, save them moving us to the reservation (brave new world)
asciilifeform: this particular crock of shit isn't even an especially convincing one - just illustrative of the concept.
mircea_popescu: "all rooves are poured rebared concrete 10 meter thick"
mircea_popescu: "and if they make bigger bunker busters, we'll just pour more concrete"
asciilifeform: mice do so love cheese. but, afaik, this particular trap remains empty. paper chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: "We actually hope to make a local restaurant and turn it into a national franchise"
mircea_popescu: o hey, we'll be just like the amish, except suckier and without tradition
mircea_popescu: "we need to go to each church and offer them contracts to not be churches any more"
mircea_popescu: oh this shit is so great.
asciilifeform: wait what. last i checked, the only planned industry was small arms.
mircea_popescu: thank you people finding me great shit to read!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im still digesting the earlier forum thing
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: "it's illegal to manufacture guns"
mircea_popescu: these are roughly the ows demo
mircea_popescu: "You have to work if you want a share of communal food"
mircea_popescu: "hey, can i be a stripper ?"
asciilifeform: wouldn't it be neat to somehow throw these folks into the same pit ?
asciilifeform: ows vs. citadel 'in a cage'
mircea_popescu: they wouldn't fight
mircea_popescu: because, obviously, they're above it
mircea_popescu: what they'd do is what they currently do in the shitty pits they inhabit (starbucks et atll)
mircea_popescu: give each other looks and mash the phone kbds
[\]: thanks for the lol
[\]: you should start charging for invites to this channel
mircea_popescu: eh, let there be communism of lol.
mircea_popescu: to each according to his lolpacity.
KRS-One: teh lolpacity of the fapacity...let there be fap.
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6npeuuTNh1rrcfz6o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: why does your fapstuff suck so ?
mircea_popescu: here : http://31.media.tumblr.com/aa28daf7909e253da62b698548678cd8/tumblr_mzceju0MAX1s9ip0zo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and http://25.media.tumblr.com/4ebda24364f060f2f1c5ff1306e2d02f/tumblr_mzfqpuDIeu1ro88meo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and http://31.media.tumblr.com/326e50ab860e91ce34bca0af66564d5b/tumblr_mzd9xpjAmS1rwpxplo1_500.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 80 @ 0.045 = 3.6 BTC [+]
KRS-One: idk =/
KRS-One: I try really hard.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 42 @ 0.13311598 = 5.5909 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.37038703 BTC to 3`597 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
KRS-One: Heh that first bitch looks fun..And free.
mircea_popescu: good women usually do.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.67652000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 3080 satoshi per share
KRS-One: That guy who has her in bonds totally reminds me of a friend of mine who would do that.
mircea_popescu: http://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/copyrightWrapper/watermark.php?display=true&image=http://bp.uuuploads.com/worst-book-covers-titles/worst-book-covers-titles-7.jpg
KRS-One: I think its Ozbot..not me.
KRS-One: Trust me, k..I can fap.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00599648 = 0.1079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00082909 = 9.6589 BTC [-]
KRS-One: Ok ozbot..no fucking around. Gimme a good one.
KRS-One tweaks ozbot.
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7bd8jmsWj1ru145yo1_500.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00397924 = 0.5571 BTC [-] {4}
KRS-One: HAH Shrem and Karpelese coindesk 'coined' bromance.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00082905 = 7.7931 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00397925 = 0.199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18261 @ 0.00083115 = 15.1776 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00579995 = 0.1276 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00578628 = 0.2893 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0057801 = 0.1734 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07449822 = 0.2235 BTC [+]
the20year2: is mpoe t he best btc:usd short?
mircea_popescu: why not something like x.eur ?
mircea_popescu: you can add a eur/usd leg or w/e
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00397457 = 0.4769 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00419982 = 0.105 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02289999 = 0.229 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.10699957 = 0.535 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04549999 = 0.2275 BTC [+] {4}
bitcoinpete: Wondering if I should be trusting bitaddress.org… Anyone else use it?
mircea_popescu: js mouse based "entropy" ? tis shitty.
asciilifeform: hahaha
mircea_popescu: i mean fun project, but shitty.
asciilifeform: bonus points for using a radio mouse.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00400003 = 0.112 BTC [-] {3}
bitcoinpete: hmm even on offline comp eh?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it conveniently dots the screen, so no need for radio mouse
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete just generate entropy the traditional way.
bitcoinpete: dictionary…?
mircea_popescu: gimmicks are fun for a computing project in computer class,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.004 = 0.128 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: if the worst comes to worse, http://trilema.com/2012/romanian-dicelist/
bitcoinpete: ty
bitcoinpete: It's time to start playing grown-up
bitcoinpete: for me
mircea_popescu: cool.
bitcoinpete: lots of good reading on thelastpsychiatrist btw. keepin' me busy
mircea_popescu: yeah i love him.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/when-did-the-2007-banking-crisis-start-how-about-1985/
ozbot: When did the 2007 banking crisis start ? How about 1985. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bitcoinpete: on a writing roll today!
mircea_popescu: crazy so far.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58200002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07667742 = 0.23 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: mew
moiety: asciilifeform asciilifeform I've come to terms with the giant manul not actually being giant (how did i not see that?!) .. decided we need to find someone proficient in GM to make it happen though
mircea_popescu: genetic modification ?
asciilifeform: moiety: once read a curious work on feline hybrids
moiety: yep
moiety: i know some have human blood today
asciilifeform: moiety: which suggested that, technically, there might only be a few distinct species of cat, in the sense of 'able to cross-breed'
asciilifeform: moiety: virtually all of the 'felis' genus has been cross-bred, across the board, and likewise 'panthera'
mircea_popescu: Here's something to quote at the Dr. Gregs of Bitcoin finance : "Inevitably, of course, business errors will occur and the wise manager will try to find the proper lessons in them. But the trick is to learn most lessons from the experiences of others. Managers who have learned much from personal experience in the past usually are destined to learn much from personal experience in the future."
moiety: even manul had to have been cross bred at some point
moiety: mircea_popescu: i thought this was real http://i.imgur.com/kvzzZn9.png it needs to be. In fact, it should replace your horse
asciilifeform: moiety: the original version of that had a caption: 'do you still want to dodge the [russian] draft?'
mircea_popescu: i only ride cats that shave.
moiety: LOLOL imagine how much more confy this one would be
moiety: comfy*
moiety: one more derp and i shall leave you in peace... can i ask a laser derp asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: moiety: http://www.fotomage.com/giant-hybrid-cats
asciilifeform: moiety: sure
moiety: ligers are interesting, they can't breed i was under the impression
moiety: ok lasers, i aw a purple laser for the first time (side note of epic btw) and the site said, "comes into its own during a lunar eclipse." is there something actually in that because its purple or is that just a gimmick?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: the banking crisis piece is on the talebian money. history doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme. house=louse
asciilifeform: moiety: lasers used for circus purposes (draw picture in the air via persistence of vision) rely on 'rayleigh scattering'
asciilifeform: that is, the fact that air is not perfectly transparent
moiety: so just any laser is going to look better during an eclipse?
asciilifeform: yes
moiety: kk
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete i will take the other end of that view : it's unfair to make the blind the designated drivers of your bar hopping party
asciilifeform: especially ones of non-'ideal' colours
moiety: i still want one
asciilifeform: (that is, far from green)
mircea_popescu: it is equally unfair, and quite callous, to sign up for mortgages idiots whi ocan't afford them
bitcoinpete: or to tell them that they aren't men/adults/people w/o a mortgage
mircea_popescu: and so on.
moiety: thank you asciilifeform!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://core.kmi.open.ac.uk/display/199266
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'The answer lies in the sewers'
bitcoinpete: 400 million people weren't brought to North America for their shrewdness, just their escapism
asciilifeform: tldr version: there is a multitude of idiots. they have to be housed somewhere. or, they can be allowed to live in their own filth, like capt. aguilera suggested.
asciilifeform: but this too has costs.
mircea_popescu: they were housed somewhere at the time the clinton binge begun
asciilifeform: there were somewhat fewer of them. and more wealthy older generation to mooch from.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in its own contorted, braindamaged way, the left was preparing for the future.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0039 = 0.1092 BTC [-]
moiety: i knew a girl that managed to get a mortgage working at walmart, i had no chance working nhs
asciilifeform: americans won't build хрущобаs, so they're stuck doing weird in-betweens.
mircea_popescu: moiety was she black ?
moiety: mircea_popescu: on the inside
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but ofcourse they do
mircea_popescu: http://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2011/06/14/Photos/MG/MW-AK786_homes__20110614143858_MG.jpg?uuid=9db88848-96b5-11e0-b7fe-002128049ad6
mircea_popescu: what do you think that is.
asciilifeform: plywood box
mircea_popescu: i don't think they still use wood
mircea_popescu: i think it's vinyl and recycled pet
asciilifeform: designed to stand up for ~2 decades, in good weather.
mircea_popescu: something like that.
asciilifeform: the 'secret' (not much of one) is that they deliberately build ultra-low-density housing in 'white' sectors, to keep it expensive. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is how the wool is trimmed from the relatively well-paid folks in u.s.
KRS-One: lol this shit is getting thick https://twitter.com/threebitidiot
mircea_popescu: is this one ALSO a vc and entreprteneur who thinks himself well known ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.08665897 = 0.6066 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/6c57c112eefac0d9df5fb12d7208bdc7/tumblr_mvyq0mD6MQ1s3c388o1_500.jpg
asciilifeform: unrelated,
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/asnpvjM.gif
mircea_popescu: ahahaha kickass guy
mircea_popescu: actually spider legs is probably the best solution for robots.
asciilifeform: i've suggested it as 'landing gear' for flying bots, to diametric (who built an example of each at one point)
asciilifeform: then flyer can be quasi-autonomous (land on roofs, otherwise inaccessible places, etc. to recharge via photovoltaics sometimes)
mircea_popescu: yup, that'd work too
asciilifeform: landing gear for a serious flyer more or less has to be arachnoid, to handle non-ideal surfaces
asciilifeform: like treetops
asciilifeform: hobbyists very often lose their machines when it lands in any direction but props-upward
asciilifeform: circuit which turns the panels to face the sun must be independent of the rest of the machine
asciilifeform: for obvious reasons
moiety: pet lasers?! beats the purple one hands down!
mircea_popescu: moiety just think, one could code that thing to bother cats
mircea_popescu: the catsterminator
asciilifeform: one could handily build an approximation of the pictured toy from the guts of five or six 'steerable' webcams.
moiety: mircea_popescu: Plan! I appear to have two subjects ready for testing. though, you know it won't get rid of me forever, i'd come back and show you the results
mircea_popescu: just chase the spot.
asciilifeform: if you retain the cameras/optics in the legs, the machine can be easily programmed to always step on solid ground.
asciilifeform: (exercise for alert reader!)
moiety: it also needs eyes
mircea_popescu: btw, i don't recall if i ever showed diametric my toy anti-fly plan ?
asciilifeform: N+1 legs, lift a leg to use as 'eye'.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08677323 = 0.2603 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1970s, 'MIT bugzapper'
mircea_popescu: no, i want artillery :D
asciilifeform: beam bounced around room by mirrors, ~1mW. if beam fails to land on sensor, cranks up to 50W.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually 8 legs is prolly ideal. in rough conditions legs are used for navigation, like a spider. on normal situations two legs are used as depth perceptive eyes
mircea_popescu: there's a reason why "grazing" insects only need 6
asciilifeform: correct.
asciilifeform: and a handful of spare eyes, which normally face the earth, gives resilience against incoming enemy laser.
mircea_popescu: mhm
mircea_popescu: 4chan wisdom ("what was seen cannot be unseen") provides an amply useful philosophical framework
moiety: i'm not planning on arming the cats to be fair
asciilifeform: clever designer can build a swarm, which uses the steerable cameras and lasers for intra-swarm comms
mircea_popescu: "only look when there's something you wish to see"
asciilifeform: immunity to jamming
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asciilifeform: to fly - foldable mylar membranes between the legs (ornithopter flight - rotors are lame)
asciilifeform: while on this flight of fancy, one can also consider flexible photovoltaics as the 'wings.'
mircea_popescu: mylar is expensive.
asciilifeform: you'd need 1 M^2 or so.
asciilifeform: unlikely to be a major factor in the cost of the machine
mircea_popescu: i guess youd make it real thin anyway
asciilifeform: disabled bird drives a nailgun round through its LiPo battery, explodes honourably.
asciilifeform: picture the epic battles.
moiety: lol
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps too advanced yet, but! suppose the thing actually MADE its own polymers
mircea_popescu: grew wings, assembled batteries,
mircea_popescu: a replicant robot'd be pretty cool
asciilifeform: probably easier to use 'remote-controlled mouse' technique on organic birds
Mats_cd03: poops
asciilifeform: with added twist that a zombie can install the implant in a generic bird
moiety still thinks a cat botherer would be the best plan
mircea_popescu: " I hope you come to this year’s meeting, which will be held on May 20 in Omaha. There will be only one change: after 48 years of allegiance to another soft drink, your Chairman, in an unprecedented display of behavioral flexibility, has converted to the new Cherry Coke. Henceforth, it will be the Official Drink of the Berkshire Hathaway Annual Meeting."
mircea_popescu: AAHAHAHAHA cherry coke!
mircea_popescu: fail.
mircea_popescu: buffett's most shameful and abysmal fail ever!
kakobrekla: previous was normal coke?
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: well maybe
mircea_popescu: who's to know, my hayseed was maybe drinking OmahaCola
moiety: not just one change, a distinct drop in respect and increase in hilarity this year
moiety: btctalks ads just get better.. trusted ponzi's now?!
bitcoinpete: even at his advanced age, still hustlin' for that cherry
benkay: en.bitcoin.it down for anyone else?
mod6: benkay: ya, (Can't contact the database server: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111 (mysql))
benkay: pro shit
moiety: https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/618 just got asked about this. went through it asking what exactly they need money for until the guy says: well fuck im out of words.
ozbot: Bitcoinstarter - Bitcoin Crowdfunding | Creating Online Platform for Freelancers
moiety: 6 devs apparently....
benkay: *starter
benkay: didn't read
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete this is from 85
moiety: building freelance platform that is 60% complete. need 10btc benkay
benkay: lalalalala not reading moiety
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: i wonder where pankkake went of late btw
moiety: lolol
mircea_popescu: i guess he's busy socking me on teh forum
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg5593296#msg5593296
mircea_popescu: epic
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance?
mircea_popescu: also TIL MPOE-PR is 1.8687% of bitcointalk's scam accusationsboard.
mircea_popescu: she and 48 scammers keep that ship afloat.
benkay: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 15 minutes and 27 seconds
mircea_popescu: from the "i'm a derp on the internet hear me roar" dept : "It is often noted that Barack Obama is an expert on constitutional law. That is better than the alternative, but it doesn't follow from that credential that he has a sound (or even benign) philosophical understanding of the constitution. Obama's credentials as a constitutional lawyer pale compared to those of Justice Antonin Scalia, for instance, and Scalia's p
mircea_popescu: hilosophical conception of the constitution is pernicious."
mircea_popescu: isn't it great that every hs drop-out / grocery packing specialist out there gets to judge the president and the supreme court justices ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.0039 = 0.1287 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: democracy!
benkay: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 20 minutes and 20 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00385 = 0.2657 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.0037998 = 0.1938 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00370001 = 0.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0037 = 0.185 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: from the derpartment...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00365 = 0.1533 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0036277 = 0.1995 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0036277 = 0.3628 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: According to Buffett's 2006 letter to Berkshire shareholders, Blue Chip had 1970 sales of $126 million as about 60 billion of "stamps were licked by savers, pasted into books, and taken to Blue Chip redemption stores." He also said, "When I was told that even certain brothels and mortuaries gave stamps to their patrons, I felt I had finally found a sure thing." Sales dropped to $19.4 million in 1980 and $1.5 million in
mircea_popescu: 1990. In 2006, revenues came in at $25,920.
mircea_popescu: perhaps worse than the cherry cola.
mircea_popescu: "stay away from technology, we don't understand it. focus on stamps and wrigley's instead"
B007: I don't think anyone under 20 even knows what Blue Chip was
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.3300
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
mircea_popescu: o look, neo thread is nao about mpex.
mircea_popescu: !t h neobee
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00360000 / 0.00391815 / 0.00436789 (12032 shares, 47.14317801 BTC), 7D: 0.00360000 / 0.00438893 / 0.00559000 (97155 shares, 426.40610995 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.0043987 / 0.00600000 (600459 shares, 2641.23710017 BTC)
mircea_popescu: understandably, i guess.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504677.0
ozbot: Another Bitcoin Exchange Bites The Dust: Vault of SatosHistory
mircea_popescu: and yet another bites the dust
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla check it out, firsts and shit : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505226.msg5567104#msg5567104
mircea_popescu: we're like in 2012 over here.
mircea_popescu: or at least, the noobs are.
B007: "in order to be acknowledged as the single professional trading platform in the world for operations in cryptographic currencies."
ThickAsThieves: <kakobrekla> previous was normal coke? // pepsi, says his book
B007: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/fans-raise-cash-for-dorian-nakamoto-irrespective-of-his-link-to-bitcoin/
ozbot: Fans raise cash for Dorian Nakamoto, irrespective of his link to Bitcoin | Ars Technica
ThickAsThieves: I like how DrGreg goes "Have you noticed, MPOE-PR, that each and every time you have attempted to start a substantive argument with me of any kind, I have handed you your a** on a platter? " and then goes "The difference is, these folks have the class not to belabor the point, they have the class not to run around after you saying "hey, look at this joke I just made up about you, and
ThickAsThieves: I think it's really funny, and aren't I brilliant?"" in the same breath
asciilifeform: they ought to apologize by seppuku in front of his doorstep instead.
ThickAsThieves: he wants mpoe-pr to teach him more explicitly, rather than laugh that he doesn't read that icbit and gox are scams on his own
ThickAsThieves: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/fla-family-falls-ill-afte_n_4922728.html
ThickAsThieves: i guess the next LSD study results won't be publicly shared
thestringpuller: complete change of toppic
thestringpuller: lol
mircea_popescu: so wait, dr greg stockpicks by lsd ?
mircea_popescu: well... "stock"
asciilifeform: from the lulzfarm:
asciilifeform: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246814/U.S._spy_agencies_adopt_new_IT_approach
ThickAsThieves: do we need to read past "The CIA, for instance, is moving toward the cloud with the help of Amazon"
asciilifeform: nope.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the mpoe-pr thing is quite efficient, in that people who still confuse us two inadvertently manage to show about how much effort they're willing to put into research
mircea_popescu: splendid arrangement to my taste.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wonder if it is unpatriotic to point out that generally speaking, the chinese military and perhaps others have been reading the us communications for a while now
mircea_popescu: they don't really need to wait for a snowden to come around
thestringpuller: i feel like that's just an ancillary effect in certain cases - i think there are people who are hell bent on proving MP === MPOE-PR and put plent of effort into researching that. nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah but i mean...
ThickAsThieves: still follows mp's thought on it though\
mircea_popescu: i guess so. kinda strange, it's like... why ?
ThickAsThieves: people willing to put more effort protecting being wrong
ThickAsThieves: than sorting what's right
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reading is for beginners. next step: writing.
mircea_popescu: it just sticks out as such an ill advised time and effort investment.
mircea_popescu: i mean, on one hand ample proof to the contrary is available
mircea_popescu: but even that aside... suppose you somehow prove she's me. nao what ?
thestringpuller: then they prove the moon landing was fake?
thestringpuller: I don't have time to think about that.
mircea_popescu: not even a lousy "mp is a hypocreat!11" sticks, it'd work out more like "omg mp is such a better troll than you"
mircea_popescu: it's just... obviously nobody bothered to think it through
Namworld: Dorian Nakamoto will get much more than a free lunch it seems.
thestringpuller: I thought you died Namworld lololol
ThickAsThieves: dorian ain't gettin free anything
Namworld: Yeah well I guess you can't really see it as free.
mircea_popescu: so is threebitidiot someone here ?
Namworld: I did? Oh, I shouldn't be here then.
mircea_popescu: and if so, is a 4th coming ?
ThickAsThieves: 256bitIdiot?
ThickAsThieves: 64bitIdiot at least?
mircea_popescu: at ;east 64 yeah
mircea_popescu: damn this typing
mircea_popescu: hm, iks it me or is bitbet bereft of its favicon nao ?
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014-info/leah-goodman/leah-goodman.htm
asciilifeform: gentlemen, start your engines
Namworld: Dibs on thirtytwobitidiot. I'll spread "Bitcoin hack tools to print Bitcoins" links replacing victims' OS with Windows ME.
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/442414522729775105
mircea_popescu: doine
ThickAsThieves: no one will do anything with her info anyway
ThickAsThieves: if they are smart
ThickAsThieves: well...
ThickAsThieves: nevermind
thestringpuller: not even sign her up for a bunch of porn magazine subscriptions?
ThickAsThieves: free pron?
mircea_popescu: im sure she'll get all the pizza she can eat
ThickAsThieves: she lives in a $175k house?
mircea_popescu: delivered nice and early
asciilifeform: perhaps woman posted this crap herself - hungers for free sympathy coin.
mircea_popescu: she did post it hereself
ThickAsThieves: oh in vermont
mircea_popescu: due to a keen understanding of how things work online
mircea_popescu: which she's displayed on other occasions too
ThickAsThieves: how come she has crackhead eyes anyway
ThickAsThieves: just one of those looks?
mircea_popescu: anyway, this seems like a normal mortgage you'd expect a 30something to be burdened by neh ?
asciilifeform wonders what the punishment for dredging up a correct satoshi would be.
Namworld: Apparently someone just used my email to register a My Wallet on blockchain.info... wtf?
mircea_popescu: http://cryptome.org/2014-info/leah-goodman/pict79.jpg asciilifeform weren't we discussing these before ?
Namworld: Looks like all links are the correct domain, no fishing there.
mircea_popescu: schmuquette paid 200k for that shit ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only that, but:
mircea_popescu: Saint Bonaventure University BAs, Journalism and Political Science; minors in Spanish, Fine Art 1994 – 1998
mircea_popescu: ahaha come on this is too easy. sbu ?!
ThickAsThieves: i only questioned the home price cause I assumed she was in a CA metro
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'said lot is conveyed subject to the restriction that no buildings shall be erected thereon nearer than 15 feet from the street line.'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2014#551806 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: dujde srsly, it's an athletics only thing with like 2k people enrolled
mircea_popescu: this is basically Cocksucking University.
asciilifeform: spam school.
asciilifeform: 'spam like a pro in 21 days.'
kakobrekla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizda_%28chemical%29
ozbot: Pizda (chemical) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: so much lol
kakobrekla: so its true.
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: binging on 'lurkmore' ?
kakobrekla: i dont even
asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.to
ozbot: Lurkmore
asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0
asciilifeform: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1386142507004908
kakobrekla: cool
moiety: asciilifeform: https://www.combatcreatures.com/stryder
moiety: found it
ThickAsThieves: OpenEx ‏@_OpenEx_ 44m
ThickAsThieves: the damage:
ThickAsThieves: 38k doge stolen.
ThickAsThieves: 15 ltc. we'll update these numbers when we know more
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr upon being showed the pizda chemical : "wait pizda is made of hos?"
ThickAsThieves: "The exchange is closing down. Its been a fun beta period but we need to go back to the drawing board for the good of our business/future. <3"
moiety: well theres a shock
mircea_popescu: see, two things they did right :
mircea_popescu: a) stuckj to play currency ; b) closed down when it became clear.
moiety: been as well just paying him
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://leahmcgrathgoodman.com/haters/
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy stuff.
mircea_popescu: "I would bet 0.1btc asicminer pays more in divs the following year."
mircea_popescu: SIXTY BUX
kakobrekla: call it an investment
ThickAsThieves: “Ms. McGrath…my apologies for saying this, you don’t have a clue that you are clueless. If you have the guts to debate me in the press, send me your email address and let’s have it out.”
ThickAsThieves: hey at least he wants to be
ThickAsThieves: bet
ThickAsThieves: make it happen
ThickAsThieves: maybe he loses $600 come resolution
kakobrekla: he wont bet really, not even .1
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla has it.
mircea_popescu: why do scammers manage to retain so little of the btc they scam ? well... "We also believe candor benefits us as managers: the CEO who misleads others in public may eventually mislead himself in private."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 269 @ 0.000898 = 0.2416 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: mp you gonna start a elder scrolls online guild too?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.00577999 = 0.2312 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/703
mircea_popescu: i never got into that,
mircea_popescu: but why don't you start it ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm hoping i can avoid playing it at all
ThickAsThieves: otherwise 80-800 hours gone
Duffer1: i'm pretty disappointed in the latest crop of mmos
dexX7_: <ThickAsThieves> 38k doge stolen. < quite a few hacks recently. gox, bistamp, flexcoin, polioniex and openex
ThickAsThieves: i ran a guild once in WoW, started off okay, ended up a slave
mircea_popescu: i've been running a rift guild for what, 4 months ?
ThickAsThieves: Duffer1 this one looks okay, though it seems to borrow from Rift a bit
mircea_popescu: it has ~900 members, and i kick ass at it :D
mircea_popescu: also dominate the ah, but that's usually the case with me
ThickAsThieves: you must not participate in raiding
mircea_popescu: i do not.
mircea_popescu: i never do, i have 5-6 legatii milites to do it
Duffer1: i've watched some twitch footage of eso, it doesn't look like my type of game, but it's an mmo so i'll still probably play it a bit hehe
ThickAsThieves: i only play dota 2 really
Duffer1: leading raids reminds me of herding cats
ThickAsThieves: i like that it's just 45min and over
ThickAsThieves: yet you can play 100s of games and still learn
Duffer1: blizz's new moba looks like a lot of fun
mircea_popescu: raids are really too much like low level sales jobs.
mircea_popescu: at least to my taste.
ThickAsThieves: didnt know they had a moba, neat!
ThickAsThieves: that card game they have looks tarded
Duffer1: if you can get a core group of competent players on a set schedule then raiding can be a lot of fun
Duffer1: heroes of the storm i believe it's going to be called
ThickAsThieves: raiding is a paradox that can't be solved
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 but it still consists of following a set procedure and talking to people on the phone.
ThickAsThieves: it would be fun if you remove dthe shitty parts
ThickAsThieves: but the shitty parts are why people raid
cazalla: raiding is dead
Duffer1: it becomes more about the hanging out with friends than the raiding
cazalla: it's not really about skill, it's a social thing now
mircea_popescu: so then you suck at raiding.
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: indeed
cazalla: look at the first year of WoW versus the pos it is now
mircea_popescu: cazalla didn't wow end up giving noobs max level just to prop their numbers for investors conference call ?
ThickAsThieves: when i was in a hardcore WoW guild, with real progression, the leader was a total drill sergeant
ThickAsThieves: probly cuz it's all that works
KRS-One: i tried WoW. hated it.. warcraft2 ftw. zug zug.
mircea_popescu: yeah, middle management for mcdonalds.
Duffer1: hehe
cazalla: ThickAsThieves: it worked well
mircea_popescu: "you gotta move the broom like so!"
cazalla: I did DKP for my guild, it was like taking the high school drop out and making him a cop
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: i made my own system for loot
ThickAsThieves: just to appease everyone
ThickAsThieves: you know how that ended up
cazalla: WoW didn't really compare to Everquest though, that game was social + hardcore, none of this soloing rubbish
ThickAsThieves: despite every subtlety to be fair, it never mattered
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves did you scam them ?
ThickAsThieves: never
Duffer1: cazz going to play eq next?
ThickAsThieves: you cant lead and get good loot
mircea_popescu: i wonder what thery say if i asked them :D
ThickAsThieves: pfff
ThickAsThieves: while they wouldnt say i scammed, many would say they disagreed with choices
cazalla: reputation mattered in everquest as well, doesn't matter for shit in WoW
ThickAsThieves: some veteren would show up after months away and expect the best loot, some noob would die first for 10 weeks and expect same drop
mircea_popescu: sounds legit.
ThickAsThieves: no one's happy unless they are getting loot
ThickAsThieves: only solution is, randomize the loot
cazalla: unless your item never drops
mircea_popescu: no one is happy unless they are getting more than they estimated they're worth, and everyone's overestimating his own importance.
cazalla: bow off chromagg never dropped for me in 2 years :\
mircea_popescu: that's why governments which make a point of subjects' hapiness never end well.
ThickAsThieves: it's odd that these games never implemented their own DKP systems
mircea_popescu: cazalla why not just buy it
ThickAsThieves: i guess drama builds adoption
ThickAsThieves: just like btc
cazalla: wasn't something you could buy mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ew
mircea_popescu: see, this is fucktarded. i would never play a game where you can't buy everything
mircea_popescu: it is an insult to everything i hold right proper and important.
ThickAsThieves: surely rift has raid-only drops
Duffer1: bind on pickup has it's place though surely
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 bind on equip.
mircea_popescu: bind on pickup is offensive, i'd rather date leah.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: there was a server in EQ like that which allowed everything to be traded so there was a lot of buying/selling going on for that server
mircea_popescu: with her oblong trucker stop face.
Duffer1: ha
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves rift is of the azn economic persuasion
mircea_popescu: (it has like 50+ currency types, it's insane, tokens of this, tokens of that)
Duffer1: is there no bind on pickup in rift? i only played the beta
ThickAsThieves: but no raid-only drops?
ThickAsThieves: i find that very hard to believe
ThickAsThieves: raiders must feel special
cazalla: yes, i must feel superior to the scrubs
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's raid-only materials
mircea_popescu: required in crafting
mircea_popescu: afaik nothing is bound unless you equip it
mircea_popescu: thre are some bound to char/acct stuff you buy via the fiat shop
ThickAsThieves: but no Legendary Shield of Final Boss?
mircea_popescu: well in fairness i craft epic items and moist everyone doesn't have them
mircea_popescu: there's no relics crafted yet, too expensive
mircea_popescu: there's legendary and i think 2 more rarities past that
mircea_popescu: so plenty of room for surprises.
ThickAsThieves: these Bliz moba videos arent very compelling
ThickAsThieves: it's funny how Dota basically riffed off Bliz characters already
ThickAsThieves: so now the Bliz moba feels deriviative
ThickAsThieves: (sp)
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mircea_popescu: derivative
Duffer1: how does bitcoin integrate to your guild MP?
cazalla: bliz moba will just be another social game with a shop so you can spend more money on flair
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 you can buy plat for it
cazalla: i hope and mmo brings bitcoin into a game and does away with their own in game currency, that'd be interesting in a game with a solid crafting system
cazalla: an*
mircea_popescu: cazalla you heard of s.mg ?
Duffer1: i see
cazalla: is that your mmo?
ThickAsThieves: i'd play dota 2 way more if btc was on the line
cazalla: i saw pics of that on your blog i believe unless i'm wrong, forget the name
mircea_popescu: cazalla it's this company that's been working for half a year at making a bitcoin based mmo
mircea_popescu: with a strong crafting system
mircea_popescu: exacrtly what you were describing
cazalla: what's the name again
cazalla: of the game
mircea_popescu: eulora
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im pretty sure you'll be hooked once it's playable.
mircea_popescu: imo the only games worth playing anymore are btc games, if well done.
Duffer1: do people actually buy plat for btc?
Duffer1: er with*
ThickAsThieves: i almost wanna get into 3d modelling just to bank off all the hat buyers
ThickAsThieves: modeling
Duffer1: hehe
cazalla: ugh hats
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves will be a good skill ot have, get btc off smg too
ThickAsThieves: i imagine i have good base knowledge with years of vector art experience in 2d
cazalla: i wonder if using bitcoin as in-game currency would stop mudflation
wao-ender: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aWZ2z4x_700b_v1.jpg
mircea_popescu: cazalla thats the plan
wao-ender: cazalla: is there problem to make it as in-app payments?
wao-ender: I think it's happening already
cazalla: wao-ender: depends if it's only used to buy products from the company or if players can do trade
wao-ender: ex. buy levels in game, buy experience, skills..
cazalla: i hate that sort of thing
cazalla: allow players to buy/sell items or w/e else they find in the world but that's it
wao-ender: wait, you don't remember how shareware worked few decades ago?
cazalla: no, i had full version of stuff
cazalla: paying to upgrade skills or levels is pay to win
wao-ender: that's what consumers want, easy win
ThickAsThieves: i think a certain amount of paying to level is fine
cazalla: buying/selling items that i find legitimately in game is just common sense
ThickAsThieves: particularly in a game like WoW
wao-ender: obviously, retards will pay.
cazalla: ThickAsThieves: you end up with more idiots who don't know how to play their class that way
ThickAsThieves: well i said a certain amount
ThickAsThieves: let me explain
ThickAsThieves: for example once youve max lvl'd
ThickAsThieves: let me roll another character without doing every stupid quest again
ThickAsThieves: it's insulting
wao-ender: it's imba, right.
cazalla: you need to make the leveling process slow if you do it that way imo
cazalla: just so that it actually means something to have a max level character
ThickAsThieves: sure, maybe the first time, and less and less each time after
Duffer1: i like how wow eventually tackled that problem
ThickAsThieves: likein WoW, there was often a shortage of tanks and healers
ThickAsThieves: so i had to roll them myself as leader
cazalla: although i will agree that with an older game like WoW, it makes sense to let people buy levels as it's population heavy at the top end
ThickAsThieves: fuck me if i'm gonna spend all the time to level
Duffer1: with legacy honor gear that's tradable to your alts that give massive xp bonuses
ThickAsThieves: i just bought more accounts
ThickAsThieves: they introduced that around the time i stopped playing
ThickAsThieves: wraith king expansion
Duffer1: ya they introduced it wayyyy too late
cazalla: i quit after that wotlk, far too much hand holding, it became really boring
Duffer1: same
ThickAsThieves: and they got very lazy on raid design
ThickAsThieves: like the Arena raid
ThickAsThieves: ugh
Duffer1: i have no interest in mists of pandas or the new one
cazalla: i'm looking forward to EQN but i doubt it'll be as hardcore as the original, that's not so bad once you have kids though
ThickAsThieves: it's also insulting how often they'd reuse models
Duffer1: eqn looks very interesting
ThickAsThieves: it seems stupid, but dota 2 letting you buy outfits is such a better solution then just not designing new ones
ThickAsThieves: than
cazalla: yet to play that but i assume outfits are just their version of LoL skins?
ThickAsThieves: dota 2 is very much like LoL yes
ThickAsThieves: in LoL i think it's entire outfits
ThickAsThieves: where in dota it's pieces
ThickAsThieves: like hat or clothes or helmet
cazalla: that sounds better
ThickAsThieves: but they let you replace entire parts really
ThickAsThieves: and models can add particle effects etc
ThickAsThieves: some even come with new voice acting
ThickAsThieves: i'm not terribly familiar with LoL, even though it's more popular
ThickAsThieves: i hat ethe art style
ThickAsThieves: that borderlands kinda shit
ThickAsThieves: ugly
Duffer1: woah
Duffer1: woah
cazalla: i don't mind it
Duffer1: borderlands art is infinitely better than lol
Duffer1: LoL
cazalla: disagree it's borderlands type though as i hate that style too
ThickAsThieves: i dont play that either
ThickAsThieves: sorry
ThickAsThieves: LoL just looks cheap
Duffer1: i agree
ThickAsThieves: dota 2 is much better
cazalla: cheap runs on more computers which i would guess is why it's so popular, it'll run on a calculator
Duffer1: try the first borderlands if you're into rpgs
ThickAsThieves: basically dota 2 riffed off WoW and removed some of the cartoony aspects
ThickAsThieves: like everything being super blocky
ThickAsThieves: just cuz 3d designers are super lazy
ThickAsThieves: or underpaid
Duffer1: or bad :P
ThickAsThieves: ya
Duffer1: in wow i always got the sense that the texture artists were really unhappy with the models they got
ThickAsThieves: i dont see how they could not be the same team
ThickAsThieves: i think their budget was just nil
Duffer1: it's like they had one modeller doing everything, who's style showed throughout every piece of gear, and the rest of the team were disgruntled texture artists
Duffer1: i don't miss wow hehe, i do miss cracking out on a good mmo though, it's been a really long time
ThickAsThieves: it sounds silly but ugly models definitely contributed to me losing interest in raiding too
ThickAsThieves: they didnt appreciate vanity enough
Duffer1: exactly
ThickAsThieves: as LoL and Dota make quite clear
Duffer1: if you're going to make every lvl 80 character class look the same in end game then you better damned well make them look good
ThickAsThieves: illidan warglaives probly made them millions of $
Duffer1: ha probably
ThickAsThieves: 10s of millions maybe
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves alternatively, don't allow a second character at all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelated - from what part of the world is mpoepr ?
mircea_popescu: california
asciilifeform: flower in the desert.
ThickAsThieves: how do you disallow more characters whilst allowing new accounts?
mircea_popescu: for instance by removing the incentive to make one
mircea_popescu: why do you want to play anything other than your character anyway ? because inept game design introduced artificial barriers perhaps ?
ThickAsThieves: what if i wanna have a druid AND a vampire?
mircea_popescu: well your druid will die anyway, and permadeath
Duffer1: i had one of every class to learn pvp weaknesses
mircea_popescu: you can make his kid a vampire
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform california is a big place you know
ThickAsThieves: mp did you ever play that iOS game where every time you die you are the son?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever played an ios game
ThickAsThieves: whats it called someone help me
mircea_popescu: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-charged-killing-parents-california-mansion-article-1.1714754
ThickAsThieves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_Blade
ozbot: Infinity Blade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ThickAsThieves: you pass on your armory
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ThickAsThieves: so your son can fight the good fight
mircea_popescu: sounds like eulora.
ThickAsThieves: simple but cool game
ThickAsThieves: made tons of $
asciilifeform: from the same rag, 'Canadian man who poked holes in condoms to impregnate girlfriend loses appeal'
cazalla: ThickAsThieves: rogue legacy?
ThickAsThieves: Infinity Blade
asciilifeform: 'Army captain cries during general’s court martial over alleged sex misconduct'
mircea_popescu: "The two went through a contentious divorce in 1999 but remained friends, business partners and housemates sharing the $3.7 million, six bedroom, eight bathroom home."
mircea_popescu: someone needs to explain this open
Duffer1: holy shit MP it's Donna's parents from That 70s Show
mircea_popescu: one*
asciilifeform: damn, i should read the u.s. fishwraps more often, full of lulz
Duffer1: http://images2.fanpop.com/images/polls/248000/248307_1244328184341_full.jpg
mircea_popescu: gee it must suck for that 8yo.
mircea_popescu: parents killed, paralyzed, enjoy your fambly estate.