diametric: asciilifeform: 5.5in screen at 1440x2560.
mircea_popescu: hdbuck well don't forget to publish if you figure out anything.
diametric: mircea_popescu: oppo's made several phones already
diametric: mircea_popescu: oppo has the only phone on the market currently running cyanogen that's been certified by google as well
diametric: asciilifeform: do you still actively play go?
diametric: they just started accepting bitcoin
diametric: with a 15% discount this weekend apparently.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1168 @ 0.00083535 = 0.9757 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.00546 = 1.092 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 919 @ 0.00047516 = 0.4367 BTC [-] {4}
diametric: asciilifeform: so if you post on reddit with +/u/CompileBot language \n\n [ code ], it will run that code and post it as a reply.
decimation: everyone knows that such blocks of wood are trival to obtain - simply punch a tree ala minecraft
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00319977 = 0.16 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: well, presumably one could make it out of oak or pine for much less $$
decimation: there is much art to drying wood without warping
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00094552 = 13.5209 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: black/white marble on rosy granite works especially well
decimation: one probably need not be that hardcore for an optics bench
decimation: dump a concrete block in the ground, build a building around it, isolated with air gap
decimation: yeah you probably want to build it in a basement
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.0031 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: even worse; finished with mold-gathering carpet
mircea_popescu: my mind boggles when i visit someone and they have shit like a pool table in the basement
mircea_popescu: "o ya, you're really living it large dude. the whole point of a pool table is to keep it in a cellar."
dub: its to get away from the woman
Diablo-D3: but I thought the point of a pool table was to throw a woman on it and fuck her
dub: no, tried getting jizz out of felt before?
mircea_popescu: dub forget that part, that's easy. ever tried to talk to the beast after she's been rubbed raw on marble for half hour ?
dub: can only imagine, I find carpet bad enough
decimation: The goal of formalism is to avoid this unpleasant little detour. Formalism says: let's figure out exactly who has what, now, and give them a little fancy certificate. Let's not get into who should have what. Because, like it or not, this is simply a recipe for more violence. It is very hard to come up with a rule that explains why the Palestinians should get Haifa back, and doesn't explain why the Welsh should get London back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00094323 = 11.4131 BTC [-] {2}
dub: asciilifeform: noob question im having trouble getting a straight answer, have 20a dc supply that I want to drive (carefully) off 10a of AC mains, bad idea?
decimation: should be fine, don't put too much other stuff on the AC circuit
dub: ac is 230 if it matters
dub: I only have 10 of AC, a small generator
decimation: if it's putting out 10 amps at 230 volts you are fine
decimation: is it a linear supply or switching supply?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00094821 = 19.4383 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: diametric "here's how i try to inject myself in stuff that has nothing to do with me over 5k words. call me michael moore"
decimation: if it is a switching supply and your generator puts out crap AC, you might ruin the dc supply
mircea_popescu: in any event, violence is not a "problem". it's required, like breathing.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: hormesis
decimation: as in a little radiation is good for you?
mircea_popescu: decimation no, as in a little fucking and public speaking is required for adults.
decimation: which would be awesome for him, but it's not going to happen
mircea_popescu: there's this generation of nuts that fears its own shadow. cops ? hoprrible. the sec ? omaigawd. black kids ? HALP HALP
mircea_popescu: what if the tootbrush gives them an evil look one day ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, even in the middle of an armed rebellion/invasion your chances to be plugged are what, 1% ?
decimation: it does seem that paranoia is the mood of our age
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they play dice for a 2% house edge. that's okay.
decimation: somehow the risk aversion circuit has gone haywire?
mircea_popescu: the romans had the following problem to sexual fixations in pubers : exposure.
mircea_popescu: apparently you can't get a fetish going if you get to see the actual object, in all its nude glory.
mircea_popescu: experience, direct experience, remains the best cure for mental dysfunction.
decimation: the parents I know who pratice physical punishment have the most well-adjusted children
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even have to be all that present, but human beings need experiences, and a balanced diet thereof.
mircea_popescu: if you've never been punched in the face your reptillian brain builds this thing into an endless colossus. if you have, whatever. maybe you lose a tooth, your lip gets swollen. so what of it ?
mircea_popescu: this works across the board, currently the biggest deterrent to nuclear detonation isn't a bunch of fucktarded chicks that drink tea and blather like sheep. it's simply the desire on all parties that invested billions in these things to avoid proving to the general public that... big fucking deal.
mircea_popescu: as long as nobody uses them it's "those incredibly, exceedingly, unrepresentably powerful weapons". after a dozen or so pop it's like... those very expensive, inaccurate things.
decimation: indeed, nuclear bombs aren't nearly as dangerous as people like to believe
mircea_popescu: and as the countries spending billions on them like the people to continue to believe.
ozbot: Nuclear Bomb Effects Computer
joecool: decimation: but napalm is cheap
decimation: carpet bombing with napalm would probably be far worse for the average citizen than a nuke going off
joecool: mircea_popescu: compared to nuclear weapons? sure
mircea_popescu: joecool that can't be right, mostly because nuclear power is economical as compared to burning oil.
mircea_popescu: but fundamentally : every mile you walk adds more than a square mile to the area you've covered.
mircea_popescu: like the problem of finding that plane : it only flew what, 500 miles ?
decimation: yeah, you can't carpet-nuke that kind of area
mircea_popescu: and this if you roughly know the direction. if you don't....
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's play with math. latent heat for water is what, 12k, +4k per degree.
mircea_popescu: so if you want to boil up afghanistan, you're looking at
decimation: (8 300 000 000 000 000 000 joules) / (1 ton of tnt) =1.98374761 × 109
mircea_popescu: and the thing with megalopolis-oi. cairo yes, cause it's shit. but most modern people live spaced out.
decimation: well, the other point is that if the goal of your war is to capture the enemy's resources, destroying those brains in the cities is the way to defeat your own purpose
mircea_popescu: seems more practical to just start a facebook campaign
mircea_popescu: which brings us exactly to why bitcoin is so important.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
decimation: in retrospect, that seems like a big joke
decimation: like in what respect would the us free of cities be valuable?
decimation: are you going to mine some coal and grow corn?
decimation: what's the point? they will do that today in exchange for little green peices of fabric
mircea_popescu: the ukrainians called a general mobilisation, nobody showed.
decimation: in a duel, you can be certain about the death of the enemy; not so much against the nuclear triad
mircea_popescu: if the russians invade alaska the us citizenry would flock there mostly to tweet about it
decimation: that logic more than anything explains the lack of nuclear exchange, in my opinion
decimation: there would be concern about the rights of the eskimos
ozbot: ClubOrlov: Dead Souls
mircea_popescu: and with that i'll bid you all a very good nuclear summer!
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00319999 = 0.32 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 123 @ 0.0032 = 0.3936 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5123 @ 0.00095016 = 4.8677 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25637 @ 0.00095214 = 24.41 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.06053355 = 0.5448 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.06200108 = 0.558 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 42 @ 0.00330984 = 0.139 BTC [-] {5}
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 359 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.2350% in 2d 3h 17m 54s
Neil: Shit the last 70-ish blocks have been insanely fast.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 121 @ 0.00324619 = 0.3928 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34719 @ 0.00095313 = 33.0917 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 178 @ 0.003288 = 0.5853 BTC [+] {3}
MisterE: where is this letter to SEC?
MisterE: [23:23:48] mircea_popescu: Ghaleon as you approach mastery you'll notice the leet asshole is an epic bridge builder type.
MisterE: [23:24:41] Ghaleon: mp, yes, the challenge is finding that person who can build the epic bridges and present the right face... without going insane for long enough this community is doing an awesomejob
MisterE: [23:24:57] Ghaleon: your letter to sec was an example of that respectable, legally sound, defiant.. yet friendly
MisterE: [23:25:09] mircea_popescu: but im the elitist asshole to end all elitist assholes.
MisterE: chetty: thats what I want to know too!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27960 @ 0.00095356 = 26.6615 BTC [+] {3}
chetty: MisterE, the whole email exchange is at:
ozbot: Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 348 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.6670% in 2d 1h 28m 59s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 31 @ 0.00419948 = 0.1302 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.0009537 = 5.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19577 @ 0.00095108 = 18.6193 BTC [-]
MisterE: "Senior SEC Lawyer" put in his place nice work!
chetty: hopefully people will get the idea and stop shaking in their boots when the gubermint comes calling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00094681 = 2.083 BTC [-]
chetty: just rehashing the sec exchange
Diablo-D3: I must have missed that to begin with
chetty: haha well its still this weeks news
ozbot: Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15655 @ 0.00094442 = 14.7849 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00628 = 0.1068 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0609995 = 0.122 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0619 = 0.2476 BTC [+]
KRS-One: not the same since they moved to panama
MisterE: so hard keeping track of these dodgy characters
MisterE: should be a site dedicated to vetting and tracking exchange owners
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00094552 = 22.5979 BTC [+]
chetty: MisterE, that would be more than a full time job
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07548966 = 0.3774 BTC [+]
MisterE: indeed, if only there were an organization already in place who could take on such a mission...
MisterE: too bad BCF is so irrelevant
MisterE: for weekend these markets are absolutely flat
MisterE: I'm beginning to think crypto has jumped the near-term shark
MisterE: LTC on Huobi dump destroyed a lot of n00bs who could have been milked for years instead of in one big dump but nobody thinks long-term
cazalla: MisterE: I don't think the Chinese care for it, majority of the volume is still on btc-e, I figure coblee kicked this off on his brother's exchange just so he could sell without fees or risk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 314 @ 0.00546 = 1.7144 BTC [-]
MisterE: yep cazalla China dumped on BTC-e
MisterE: I sold at 19.5 just before it went live, I told people to buy the hype sell the news but I know a lot of bag holders and people that got burned
cazalla: I'm not game to go near it or btc-e now
MisterE: I have fiat sitting in BTC-e now and have been increasingly thinking I need to do something about that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00094552 = 4.8694 BTC [+]
MisterE: cazalla: no matter where you trade there is manipulation so might as well trade on the exchange where it mostly happens so you can see it
MisterE: Even the simplest of tricks I se often like putting up a big wall and when the market starts moving canceling the order
cazalla: I don't anymore, not that what I did before was trading, more gambling
MisterE: oh I dont kid myself I know it's "calculated gambling" at best
MisterE: so where do I go from here?
cazalla: i stuck everything into cold storage
cazalla: it's a wonder i made it this far without being fleeced tbh
MisterE: yea there are so many people better at the game than me
cazalla: i've had coins in every scam
cazalla: not that i knew it at the time
cazalla: always seemed to cash out at the right time
cazalla: yeah, i'm not game to push it any longer, i buy, put most into cold storage and save a little for some have some fun with it shit bets on bitbet
MisterE: I'm good at the craps table because I play a very conservative game, max odds and try to bet the trends, I'm up ~$15k in my lifetime and I was sort of feeling the same way abotu crypto, I'm doing OK but could all go to hell in one game
cazalla: i'm not big on gambling, only bet on bitbet because most prop bets are bitcoin related and it's a bit of fun
cazalla: most are pending, i'm 3/3 so far
cazalla: i only bet small though so it's nothing to get excited about even if i won every bet
MisterE: I wonder how much traffic they are getting
cazalla: 117k alex rank, my guess would be 2500-5000 uniques a day?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
cazalla: where are you from MisterE? it's usually quiet in here at this time, any chance australia or down this way?
MisterE: I'm US but live in Asia for many years
MisterE: yea most of my IRC friends are Aussies
MisterE: because we're awake at the same time and you seem to be one of the few countries left who can stand us :P
cazalla: moot says 95% of the shit posters on 4chan are from australia
cazalla: i don't mind yanks but we call you guys seppos when you're here
MisterE: Well I dunno about your younger generation, you sound like an adult :D
cazalla: although we're becoming more PC
cazalla: can't even call a guy a nigger anymore without being arrested
cazalla: tackling cyber bullying is a big thing here nowadays
cazalla: it's fucked but that seems to be occurring in every country now
MisterE: Yea but you and the Kiwis and sometimes the Canuks were the rational ones usually
MisterE: you've all been poisoned by USA FUD
MisterE: you have a conservative government now iirc?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9177 @ 0.0009507 = 8.7246 BTC [+]
cazalla: liberal in australia means something else to liberal in america
MisterE: there is no liberal in the US anymore
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6334998 BTC [+]
MisterE: it's shifted so far to the right that conservatives of old would not even have a place in the spectrum anymore
dub: liberal in australia means you marry more than one farm animal
MisterE: dub: thought that was a scouser thing?
MisterE: cazalla: a lot of it is because of our primaries system
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000151 BTC [-]
MisterE: not much participation by any but the extremists
MisterE: so candidates cater to them
MisterE: and the party determines who to back with like 1% of the base voting at primaries
MisterE: then after the primary they try to broaden their message to appeal to more people
cazalla: i am finding a lot of people my age no longer care, don't even bother voting even though it's compulsory
MisterE: but we have to satisfy the whackos because they man the gates to power
MisterE: thats really sad to hear about AU
MisterE: in US I can understand voter apathy
MisterE: your country is hardly as fucked up
cazalla: 2 party system here, both are the same
MisterE: at least it's not first pass the post system
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14173 @ 0.00094955 = 13.458 BTC [-]
cazalla: i would vote for snake because at least he is honest about who and what he is
cazalla: seriously though, i don't care anymore
cazalla: one party wins, they'll rule for 2 periods and then we will swap to the other team for 2 periods and on it goes
cazalla: the last election was pretty much won on who would be tougher on boat people
cazalla: so we vote for whoever will keep them out yet no politician is game to get up and say he will sink the boats and feed the people to the sharks
cazalla: meanwhile, most illegals come by plane anyway
MisterE: what do you mean cazalla ?
MisterE: if they come by plane they are turned back at immigration?
MisterE: or you mean covertly from PNG?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9422 @ 0.00094914 = 8.9428 BTC [-] {2}
MisterE: is there no efort to locate people who overstay?
MisterE: when the cops stop them for something don't they get caught?
MisterE: boat people are coming from Indo?
cazalla: i'm sure they try to catch them but it's like finding a needle in a haystack
MisterE: oh lots of people work 'off the books' there right?
cazalla: not even that many people come by boat
MisterE: got a couple mates around there
cazalla: most people here don't share my views though
cazalla: they're happy to be flooded by immigrants
cazalla: meanwhile, 85% of asylum seekers here don't have a job after 5 years
cazalla: because they have white guilt
cazalla: welfare system in this country is being bled dry
MisterE: but not by the aboriginals?
cazalla: abos are a minority really
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00095109 = 20.7338 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: but they too leech the system
MisterE: not that I'm particularly happy the welfare system is paying into aboriginals and decimating the culture but... not my country
MisterE: they are the only deserving leeches
MisterE: they were there first and all
cazalla: so you've got middle class tax payer upset that immigrants, asylum seekers, illegals etc etc are flooding the country, draining the welfare system while they pay for it in increased taxes, gov sells off it's assets to pay for people that don't even belong here
cazalla: abos have been given more than any other people in this country MisterE
MisterE: anyone else so comes from abroad should not be able to get benefits even if they can't show they are there legally or a citizen
cazalla: free housing, free land, free everything
MisterE: yea those handouts are curses in disguise
MisterE: look at the US indian reservations for examples
cazalla: they are totally dependent on the system
MisterE: ofc the reservations are in the shittiest places where there is no work
cazalla: which fuels the hate people like me have towards them
cazalla: as the middle class see them getting something we're not plus we pay for it
Diablo-D3: I think reservations should be ended to be honest
Diablo-D3: you have many rights as an american
cazalla: if it was an even playing field, i probably wouldn't be so hostile to them like most australian's are
Diablo-D3: growing up in an environment that isnt 24/7 drugs, rape, and whatnot is one of them
Diablo-D3: its appalling what some americans do to others, and then make them think it was their idea
cazalla: Diablo-D3: the australian government removed indigenous children from homes like that, 50 years later, lawsuits everywhere
MisterE: Why are you hostile to the people who just want a better life? You should be pissed at your representatives in Sydney who are making policy on how to handle it and I guess believe in handouts for people who can't vote?
MisterE: that sounds hard to believe
Diablo-D3: but its because they DIDNT go to better homes
Diablo-D3: and they were denied the birthright of their own culture
Diablo-D3: treat native americans like the americans they are
Diablo-D3: no free pass just because they're native american
cazalla: MisterE: they don't want a better life, they want to live in the bush as they did before the British came here, I am happy for them to do that, government is not and they keep throwing money at them
cazalla: MisterE: and I'm hostile (some would say hateful) because I am paying for it as is the rest of the middle class and we're jack of it
Diablo-D3: cazalla: yes, and thats because they've been brainwashed by people who dont have their best interests in mind
Diablo-D3: its okay to go back to the land, as long as you do responsibly
MisterE: Diablo-D3: Americans are some of the worst most uncaring people I've ever met and I'm pretty well travelled everywhere except Europe and North Asia / Russia
Diablo-D3: Im American, Ive never been accused of being uncaring
MisterE: If Katrina had hit The Hamptons you think people would be drowning in their second story homes?
MisterE: they care just not about the poor
MisterE: who are constantly shafted
cazalla: MisterE: pointless being pissed at the politicians who enable them because my vote makes no difference and they don't care once they are in office anyway
MisterE: Diablo-D3: American here too just living abroad
MisterE: OK it's impossible to change shit in the US at the ballot box because it's corporate owned but shit you still have a functioning democracy you could make use of
cazalla: anyway, i think the situation is too far gone here in Australia as it likely has in the rest of the world
MisterE: vote the bums out organize
MisterE: I had no idea there was that uch frustration
cazalla: you can't because they destroyed our homogeneous society by bringing in boat loads of people who don't share the culture, don't care for the country but have their hand out for welfare
cazalla: MisterE: welfare is a massive problem here
MisterE: so vote in politicians who will reign in the welfare?
cazalla: something like 1 in 4 Australian's get welfare
cazalla: every 2nd person has a back problem or some bullshit for disability
MisterE: cutting welfare costs is non an unpopular topic for campaigns in the US
MisterE: oh so everyone is in the tit
cazalla: MisterE: current politician is "reviewing it"
cazalla: but they won't do anything because that many people get welfare now that it's political suicide
cazalla: plus with an aging populace
MisterE: start running up a debt like the US and you'll be foreced to
MisterE: oh you got a baby boom too?
cazalla: boomers are about to retire
cazalla: no-one my age is getting married or having kids
MisterE: they've left you a nice mess
cazalla: many still in the workforce though
cazalla: but they're hanging around for as long as they can because the pension isn't enough to sustain them
MisterE: at least it is not as big and bad as the mess US baby boomers are leaving to their grandchildren
MisterE: burned up with doctor visits and working part-time after a long life of toiling for the corps
cazalla: plus we have some of the most expensive property in the world
MisterE: Enjoy life now when you're young and can, leave a decent looking corpse is basically my retirement plan
MisterE: that property should be held by the members of that homogenous society you mentioned no?
cazalla: of course but we're our own worst enemy
cazalla: Chinese come here and offer big bucks and who's going to refuse that?
MisterE: older than you but not enough to be your father
cazalla: big problem with that here - locals being pushed out by Chinese who bid 20% over asking price at auction
MisterE: oh that should be stopped ASAP you can't have foreign counties buying up your country
cazalla: depsite all that, it's a great country :)
MisterE: because there's not a ton of livable land
MisterE: those chinese dont want to live in the bush
MisterE: strict rules on land ownership here because of that
cazalla: MisterE, when I was 20, I thought ideas like social justice, equality, peace etc etc were good ideas, now that I'm in my 30s, I find myself hoping for a catalyst that would bring about a nationalist party to power, that's a big change in just a decade
cazalla: i don't see how else you can unite a people and kick out the leeches
MisterE: I used to be a crusader and activist int he US in my 20s
MisterE: I gave up in my 30s and got disgusted and ben out for 8 years now
cazalla: hopefully hitler reincarnate will come back here, appropriate everything foreign owned, send the refugees back home (85% without a job, still on welfare after 5 years? fuck that)
MisterE: I had a consulting company that paid a lot of tax and saw it all going to fight those wars and what not, no thankyou
cazalla: i'm jack of it and i suspect there are a growing number of people like me from the middle class who won't put up with it for much longer
MisterE: no and I can't find anywhere in the world better
MisterE: I'm mobile, single, can work remotely and financially secure
MisterE: there's not a place I can think of to live that's not fucked one way or another
MisterE: So I'm usually based in Thailand
bounce: well, wasn't it the /national/ government that fscked it all up so bad?
MisterE: because at least here its lawlwess
MisterE: cant blam the govs only imho people have come to expect too much from gov
MisterE: what happened to taking care of your own shit and self responsibility
bounce: well, what do you think happened to it?
MisterE: saving used to be good now if your credit cards aren't maxed you're not a patriot
MisterE: traded out for short-term gains I guess bounce
bounce: you take care of yourself, pay taxes, gov't takes care of those who can't help themselves with "free money". then more and more people want in on the free monies, and so it goes.
cazalla: bounce: conservative values were destroyed and here we are, least that is what i see it as, evils of feminism and all that
MisterE: feminism backfired in some big ways eh?
cazalla: it was shameful to take welfare once upon a time
bounce: talking in -isms won't help you, seeing how those got us there in the first place
MisterE: now it takes 2 incomes to qualify for a home loan lol
cazalla: no wonder men prefer to sit in their parents basement playing video games
MisterE: yea, given the human condition as I see it it's understandable
cazalla: well, i've been drinking hence the shit spewing out of my mouth
bounce: I think you both are wallowing in the same kind of feeling put upon that got the activists up before and had them change the gov't and such more to their liking
cazalla: i usually keep my mouth shut in here while sober
MisterE: If there were a real grass roots movement I would go back to the US to be a part of it
cazalla: bounce: you're right, i have a whinge, jerk off and go to bed
MisterE: that occupy wall street hippy thing was not it
MisterE: fucking life sucks if this is good as it gets
MisterE: What we really need is a war to kill off like 10%
cazalla: i feel it's being threatened
bounce: would you be part of that 10%?
cazalla: i was just about to say that
cazalla: just like those who call for population control
MisterE: the remaining 90 will suddenly remember what is important in life and we'll have another generation or 2 of harmony
cazalla: oh, how about you go and get sterilised? oh, they didn't mean themselves, just others
MisterE: bounce: depends on the cause
bounce: the cause of making some elitist jerk the new king of the hill, what else?
cazalla: i don't think this conversation would fly in here during peak hours
cazalla: i sorta feel i'm shitting where i eat heh
bounce: but at least it's /your/ jerk for king of the hill
MisterE: I'm never here so I don't know but I thought pretty much politics and intelligent exchange of ideas is OK
cazalla: anyway, going to make some dinner
cazalla: MisterE: it is but i only talk when drunk and unlikely to say anything intelligible then
MisterE: naah I learned a lot about how Austrailians think and whats really going on there from this chat
cazalla: MisterE: I would only get away talking like this at the pub, not in general public, there are just as many who would disagree with me but they typically want to pile on for the free shit from the government
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MisterE: you know the US libertarian ideal?
MisterE: that always seemed to be the kind of state you guys had managed to make
MisterE: now I hear the welfare has messed it up like the UK, maybe followed that model.
MisterE: instead of welfare give free college education or something
cazalla: most people take a loan and never pay it back so it is effectively free
chetty: is there actually anywhere in the world left thats not pretty much a welfare state?
cazalla: "The overview shows the number of people receiving government payments in 2012 was 5,033,323, with the age pension making up almost half that number at 2,282,592"
cazalla: population of Australia is like 22million
cazalla: so 1 in 4, 1 in 5 receive welfare
cazalla: you can get on disability for shit like depression here
cazalla: almost makes you want to say fuck it, get a payment and use it to buy bitcoins
chetty: isnt US welfare actually more than min wage now?
cazalla: I would guess Australia welfare pays better than Walmart
MisterE: US welfare ain't that great
MisterE: was pretty harsh people coming off some things like mental health services took a beating but it's evened out since
chetty: hasn't O pretty much put it back?
MisterE: it's still not very great but you have to be trying to work or something and its not endless
MisterE: did O change it? I didn't think so
MisterE: maybe an injection from "stimulus"?
chetty: yeah he cut the looking for work stuff
MisterE: pic worth 1k words and all
ozbot: The Other America: "Taxpayers Are The Fools... Working Is Stupid" | Zero Hedge
chetty: ugh, and I just finished my tax return
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mircea_popescu: MisterE except the only exchange owner we know is me, and so i guess you can use trilema for that purpose.
mircea_popescu: MisterE: LTC on Huobi dump destroyed a lot of n00bs who could have been milked for years instead of in one big dump but nobody thinks long-term << no, you don't understand. destroying scams IS thinking long term.
mircea_popescu: this isn't supposed to be a "milking noobs for years" thing, and it's not supposed to be either accessible to or productive for the sort of car salesman that thinks himself a financier now.
mircea_popescu: so in general expect pump and dumps to be punctured randomly and outside of the originator's control going forward, so as to hurt the originator and his friends.
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chetty: Russia has amassed enough forces on Ukraine’s border to reach the dispute region of Transnistria, NATO’s top military commander told a conference in Brussels on Sunday, Reuters reported.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell heysteve2 "I believe every caller on talk radio, just like I believe every story on zh." << there you go. it's like playboy forum by now.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2487 @ 0.00013 = 0.3233 BTC [-] {4}
Neil: Geez the last 60 blocks have been in half-time
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4939815404.41 based on data since last change | 5576146819.12 based on data for last three days
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 278 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.1945% in 1d 14h 41m 28s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3459 @ 0.00047535 = 1.6442 BTC [-] {5}
Neil: At some stage people are gonna stop throwing money at mining. Amazes me how long it's taking though.
Neil: Just difficulty stabilization is gonna be a minor supply shock in bitcoin land.
mircea_popescu: that's why the throwing money isn't stopping, i'd guess.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05933366 = 0.356 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the us spends what, 100bn on defense a year ?
Neil: mircea_popescu: And prices are down 50%. I'd have expected that to be a damper.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is much more than the us, why shouldn't it spend much more ?
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Neil: Miners must do, unless they're spending savings and not selling what they mine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: fun fact : any point btc is over 1240 usd, the bitcoin network is spending more for its own security than the united states government spends on defense.
Neil: 10**11 is what, 100 billion?
Neil: They spend more than that no?
Neil: 60/6 should be (60/6)
Neil: ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 10
Neil: ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 rather
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
Neil: ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6
Neil: ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 / 25
Neil: If it gets to $76k I'm long retired on a sunny island
Neil: But I'll still log on to bitcoin-assets from said sunny island, I promise!
mircea_popescu: i recall recently seeing the us budget, and it was 100ish
Neil: Call it $500k per BTC.
mircea_popescu: and you don't ADD inflation, because you're not in 2009 dollars today.
Neil: I'm sure they're spending more not less.
MisterE: not calling the whole LTC on Huobi thing a scam just very heavily manipulated but all markets are manipulated so... The writing was on the wall for me luckily I guess.
MisterE: And I mean the "milking the n00bs" coment tongue in cheek
Neil: What's been happening with LTC? Still at 0.027-20.028; what's changed?
mircea_popescu: that's the official, definitive, correct figure. 377k.
Neil: Someone's added some fsck-off hashpower to the network in the last 2 days.
Neil: They're coming out every 5mins on average.
MisterE: what are you hating on MP?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell asciilifeform "Social networking and mobile computing are hot" dude this orlov guy...
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ozbot: ClubOrlov: Dead Souls
Duffer1: you've mentioned orlov a few times
mircea_popescu: some strange ideas in there, and most of it oldman nonsense. there's no absolute limit to physical development.
mircea_popescu: and no, i don't mention him, other people keep mentioning him, like herbi and ascii. i thnk he's mostly clueless and generally vain.
mircea_popescu: and i don't think orlov even uses the latter, just, a current russian expression ascii explained in english at some point
mircea_popescu: i suppose properly bezzle should be traced back to gailbrath, cca 1929
mircea_popescu: anyway, turns out this was obviously not a serious piece, so i guess teaches me to protest before finishing an article.
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Neil: Well BTC > $10k bet suddenly became lopsided this week.
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ozbot: Bill Cosby speaking the truf. Bippity Bop - Imgur
ozbot: Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.0009527 = 35.4881 BTC [+] {4}
ozbot: Here’s a thought : being Bitcoin is more of a something to be than being Jewish ever was or could
MisterE: haha and BCF hate at the end love it
MisterE: I dont go on bitcointalk forum much such a time sink
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ThickAsThieves: <Neil> Someone's added some fsck-off hashpower to the network in the last 2 days. /// probly ASICMINER stuff
artifexd: ThickAsThieves Do you know anyone running the altcoin testnet that I can connect to?
artifexd: I guess I get to test code in production, as it were.
artifexd: That doesn't make it a good idea.
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, i can't believe they'd have stopped the testnet
mircea_popescu: or, alternatively, use the ATC newtork, it's a direct copy of bitcoin
artifexd: I don't want bitcoin testnet. I want altcoin testnet.
pankkake: I'll be more available in a few days
pankkake: yeah, very tired and irlbusy these last few weeks
mircea_popescu: all the fun of gambling with none of the bitcoin downside!!11
pankkake: artifexd: I don't think there ever was a altcoin testnet. if it's configured in the code, you can start it yourself I guess!
ThickAsThieves: lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide
artifexd: There's a testnet checkpoint at block 546 (or somewhere thereabouts).
artifexd: I may have to just reset the genesis block and remove the checkpoints and start mining it myself.
ThickAsThieves: why isn't Homeland Security part of the Defense budget?
nubbins`: it's worked into the Offense budget
pankkake: if you make it I'll merge your genesis block/checkpoints
MisterE: homeland sec doesn't include all law enforcement either
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because otherwise all their unjustifiable expenses stand out as a sore thumb
mircea_popescu: there was a rash of reporting their haliburtonesque mismanagement of resources in 2002-2003
mircea_popescu: it's meanwhile disappeared, but the problem's only gotten worse.
mircea_popescu: in many ways the usg is much like a bitcointalk investor : can't get anything done because surrounded by thieves
MisterE: the leaked "black budget" gave us a bit more insight and you can extrapolate how they compartmentalize from there
ThickAsThieves: look we cut Defense spending by .1%! Ignore that Homeland Security part.
MisterE: the pieces of the pie they argue over that include social services are definitely the small ones.
MisterE: no budget has ever included the 10 years war(s)
MisterE: wait Obama did in his first
ThickAsThieves: so basically the budgets represent each of the USG's corporations, not actual categories
MisterE: too bad that SEC layer didnt come to IRC :)
VanCleef: i just found it a few days ago, made a portfolio, its pretty neat
VanCleef: do you invest irl shares/securties mircea?
MisterE: oh I'm pretty sure the SEC's network blocks the applet
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nubbins`: pair of dickies and a plaid shirt
MisterE: back in the 60s people had style
ThickAsThieves: just the ones on tv are mostly just gay-with-clothes-on
ThickAsThieves: i'd wear the same thing every day if people stopped fixating on that being weird
MisterE: heh true gay people and many black people have style
VanCleef: do you think its because every black person is secretly gay? (no homo)
Mats_cd03: men on the extreme ends of perceived sexual norms (e.g. black vs asians in the media) seem to have fewer problems with dressing fashionably
artifexd: <ThickAsThieves> lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide << I missed that. My response: Thanks! I will.
nubbins`: i think you guys hang around normals too much
ThickAsThieves: artifexd, mostly that'd be design or funding, not sure what other relevant skills i might have to an atcdice
ThickAsThieves: no, black people caring about fashion has nothing to do with homosexuality
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the "under $50" part i find the most objectionable.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what'd you wear every day anyway ? velve ?
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ThickAsThieves: generally i already do wear the same thing every day already
ThickAsThieves: when you start wearing neutral or black every day, that's when people start to notice
VanCleef: judging from mirceas pics he seems to have a good taste in clothes
mircea_popescu: but what do you want, bloke lived in teh south and his first wife died when he was what, 17 ?
VanCleef: robert smith is pretty cool too
mircea_popescu: then consider it was supposed to be THEIR signature song.
VanCleef: nin hurt is a pretty terrible song, wiash cash didn't cover it
mircea_popescu: this is the furthers out case of musical and generally artistic ownage i know of
VanCleef: did they go to shit? lol i think they just got old
ThickAsThieves: an odd thing about goth/industrial/rapcore fans from the 80s/90s is they never seem able to shake it
mircea_popescu: maybe it was the last generation that had any unobstructed view of us reality.
VanCleef: music is really terrible these days
ThickAsThieves: hehe i'm wearing a band tshirt and all black right now, i guess i should shut up
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is all bs weirdo romanian stuff, it shouldn't really count.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves at the end there was about 1 ton of paper residue, 1/4 ton of textile residue taken from the grounds
MisterE: it's tropical here so I wear as little as possible and there's no style there heh
mircea_popescu: but i happen to think some bits of black vernacular are expressive. i use ain't all the time.
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artifexd: "ain't" is black vernacular? I thought it was southern venacular. Source: I grew up in Texas.
ThickAsThieves: black and hip hop culture might be the most vibrant source of new vernacular in the world
mircea_popescu: artifexd well this is in reference to an earlier bill cosby imgur
ThickAsThieves: you cannot keep up if you arent paying attention for even a year
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, that's only because you don't speak either russian or fringe chinese/indian languages
MisterE: funny to see whitey suburbanite kids co-opt it so quickly now
mircea_popescu: and more interestingly so than the white equivalent, dearly loved as "pc speak"
MisterE: artifexd: I did a stretch in Denton and SA
ThickAsThieves: around here the old timers in the local black "ghetto" are nearly incoherent
artifexd: Ah. I was up in the north east. More north east than Dallas. Damn near Arkansas.
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nubbins`: around here the old timers in the local white "ghetto" are completely incoherent
mircea_popescu: MisterE the fact that i spent a week doing nothing but champagne on the riverwalk may well have colored that impression :p
nubbins`: overheard a guy talking to his father about getting his roof fixed
nubbins`: "aeh eh uhhh ehh fuckin... euhhh..."
MisterE: yes riverwalk is fantastic
nubbins`: mircea_popescu that's a direct quote ;(
nubbins`: he was looking for the word "roof"
mircea_popescu: someone should make a purported canadian forum like that just to mess with people
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> san antonio is like my favourite us city. /// is that the place in your mystery photo on trilema?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves which one of the numerous mystery trilema photos
MisterE: Culturally Austin has more to offer
ThickAsThieves: well not at the time you published, i think it was older
MisterE: canadian forums must be a minimum of 35% canadian or they will do something
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mircea_popescu: anyway, it was funny, i was wearing a suit, struck up a conversation with a band in a bar,
mircea_popescu: then people from the bar were coming to me to ask me to ask the band to play songs
MisterE: thats they one I used to get man Dennys that takes me back
mircea_popescu: blond lead vocal guy couldn't quite decide if he wanted to do an elvis impersonation or not
mircea_popescu: o, that was my only one time in that chain, i have no idea what they serve
MisterE: ok back to movie, GF watching Psycho for first time
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mircea_popescu: aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 52 @ 0.06184998 = 3.2162 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44457384 BTC to 4`132 shares, 59162 satoshi per share
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Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> [16:51:46] aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ? I believe they are
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knotwork: Yeah I heard they covered the losses with money from investors. Maybe the investors didnt like that and now want to drive away all customers so the place gets no business and has to shut down
mircea_popescu: or maybe they just have a dartboard and throw darts at it each day
chetty: well can we turn some of these scammer into dartboards?
Apocalyptic: I remember that big miner mining at Eligius praising vircurex and recommending it for trading NMC
Apocalyptic: cause "they've been around for quite some time you know"
mircea_popescu: so has goat. so has gigavps. so has teh bitcoin foundation. around scamming for quite some time now.
Apocalyptic: gigavps even has the guts to come to -otc sometimes
kakobrekla: "your honor, garr failed to deliver the pump."
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mike_c: is this over their mining thing?
mike_c: but but, last I read everything was going great and they were picking up their hardware! i haven't followed the thread recently i guess :)
kakobrekla: the thing went bad over half a year ago
mircea_popescu: yeah, he was going to sue pirate, he is going to sue garr,
kakobrekla: or its just me who can smell the shit early
mircea_popescu: before that back in 2012 he was going to post pics of his mining farm
mike_c: we were talking about sending our btc to kako for a new mining venture.
mircea_popescu: can you imagine how shocked the aliens/reptillians/illuminati/etc watching this will be
VanCleef: i read mircea's blog sometimes does anyone have any other handy reading material or youtube videos, doesn't have to be about bitcoin just something along the lines of investing
VanCleef: i'm just watching a bunch of mark cuban interviews
ozbot: Assets Assimilated
mike_c: last year's trilema :)
ozbot: Shareholder Letters
mircea_popescu: read that whole set, you'll be ahead of about half the group of folk that identify as finance-anythign
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you still like Berkshire Hathaway despite Buffet's stance on BTC?
mircea_popescu: the letters are old, and as respectable as they ever were.
mircea_popescu: you think if i get alzhimers' when im 95 that'll change the 2013 articles on trilema in any way ?
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ozbot: P Diddy's Words Of Wisdom - YouTube
thestringpuller: That's what I'd figure you'd say, and I expect you to be the only one in the nursing home flirting at 95...
chetty: Turkish fighter jets shot down a Syrian warplane after it violated Turkey’s airspace Sunday
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cads: mircea_popescu: who/what turned you on to reading the berkshire letters?
cads: another friend has suggested it but I haven't made time for it
ThickAsThieves: so, i am trying to repair a broken tablet lcd and my current problem is it is glued to the frame and i've no heat gun, nor is the sun particularly bright today
mircea_popescu: i can't even remember, i liked the guy since i was 14 or so
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ozbot: Sinkhole of bureaucracy | The Washington Post
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benkay: so the girl draped some gauzy fabric in front of the apartment window; we verified that nobody can see in during the day, and now i'm at my standing desk aka the kitchen island shirt-cocking hard
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: shirt cocking
benkay: cooking bacon too, you see.
benkay: it seems that Vice is the only publication on the internet who've been able to implement a bootstrap header without totally fucking the page-down functionality of yore.
benkay: functionality my ux-perts tell me nobody uses any more.
benkay: "except people who read at a reasonable speed!"
benkay: scrolling *has* to impose additional cognitive load.
mircea_popescu: scrolling is not unlike the revolutionary notion of having sentences broken up on lines on the written page
mircea_popescu: "but moving eyes from end to begin of line must add cognitive load"
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benkay: re lines that's been a staple for a good millenia or so tho
mircea_popescu: plenty of "smarter than necessary" folk came up with lines that went 123 654 789 etc
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, what I found really amazing on the brain is the herz that neurons can fire at before tiring. Given how much processing we do every second, take a guess at what the maximal neuronic herz rate is in the brain :)
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mircea_popescu: and no, it's not that we've adapted to the lines. the lines are adapted to us.
mircea_popescu: this bullshit whereby a clueless shit will "invent" something and the world will "adapt" to it is sheer usinsanity.
ninjashogun: "Although different neurons fire at different speeds, as a rough estimate it is reasonable to estimate that a neuron can fire about once every 5 milliseconds, or about 200 times a second"
mircea_popescu: i get it that impotence is a major problem there, both culturally and sexually, but that's scarcely an excuse.
ninjashogun: Our brain operates at a maxmium of 200 herz. That is mind-bogglingly slow.
benkay: (correction: vice hasn't fixed the pagedown)
mircea_popescu: vice doesn't really have much interest in making it easy for people to read, either,
mircea_popescu: seeing how the more people read the more their fixed costs go up.
ninjashogun: hi asciilifeform. it is still very surprising :)
ninjashogun: if someone told me you can do everything a human can do in terms of brain-processing (from vision to motor control to thinking speaking, reacting, EVERYTHING) thorugh a neural net at which the maximum speed of any neuron is 200 herz I'd have laughed. "suuure."
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ninjashogun: anything you can do in 5 seconds includes no individual neurons firing more than 1,000 times.
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: you know breaking bad?
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ThickAsThieves: google is showing not much success repairing the tablet i am attempting
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midnightmagic: ninjashogun: That is meaningless. The full structure of the brain hasn't even been fully undertood yet.
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ninjashogun: hi, midnightmagic. Well, yes and no. It is meaningless, you are right. But it's also interesting that it means that a supercomputer running at 4 ghz interconnect speed runs at a native speed of 10,000,000 times faster than neurons' native speeds.
ninjashogun: midnightmagic, the other interesting thing is that the brain weighs just 3 pounds and takes up 1.26 liters. (1400 grams, 1.3 US quarts).
midnightmagic: except 100,000,000,000 neurons at 200hz each equals a total meaningless cross-product of 20,000,000,000,000 things which is much higher than the 4,000,000,000 other things; plus interconnect, microtubules, memory, specialization, and so on mean there is no "faster".
ninjashogun: midnightmagic, this is very true. But, for example, if a supercomputer were to model these interconnects but had fewer "physical" neurons (CPU units), then the same CPU units could be reused 20 million times (4 ghz / 200 herz) to get realtime speed. (This is just an example of how to think about it.)
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, that is a very good and interesting example. Do you think that the brain relies on these sampling effects?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I understand. Do you think that timing is used by the brain in this way?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I would think that the brain doesn't depend on sensitive timing information like that, but rather on the pathways that are activated (irrespective of timing).
midnightmagic: ninjashogun: Nope. There is not enough understanding to model even small parts of the human brain. The structures we know about are unknown. There are likely other structures we don't yet know about.
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ninjashogun: asciilifeform, exactly, they're not in sync because why would they be. But is that out of phase effect used to do calculation or the equivalent of a pipeline, etc? Probably not.
midnightmagic: for the foreseeable future, there is no computer even contemplated that could model the human brain as we understand it right now, let alone as new discoveries arrive.
ninjashogun: midnightmagic, well I agree. Our current understanding isn't even enough for a full model. we wouldn't know what to run even if we had a supercomputer with unlimited resources. we don't have the code.
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ninjashogun: midnightmagic, it's an interesting situation . Rather than being limited by hardware ,we're very possibly limited by software. We don't know what to run - it's not that we can't run it, but we don't have the software written.
ninjashogun: Based on the simple calculation that the brain is just 3 pounds, 1.25 liters, and fires at 200 herz, it is extremely likely that there exists ∃ (latex \exists) code that we could run that would result in a brain running at an appreciable percentage of real-time brain speed, using < $1B of hardware. But we don't have the code, even though it probably \exists
ninjashogun: Hardware-wise, if we had the code than a simple cluster of a few tons of CPU and RAM units could probably run it.
ninjashogun: Also don't forget that we know for a fact that the architecture in the brain is encoded in no more than 700 MB totally uncompressed. That is how much the human genome takes to encode as simple bits (adenine(A), cytosine (C), guanine (G) and thymine (T) encoded as two bits each). With some compression that's even less.
ninjashogun: Of course we have no chance in hell of modelling the development of a brain by "running" the code. We can't even model a few molecules fully.
ninjashogun: but we have a theoretical proof that the architecture of the brain is somehow encoded into under 700 MB. (well under that, as that encodes the full human body.)
ozbot: The First National Bank of GameStop
benkay: consumer banking is so commoditized that apparently one can accidentally operate a bank.
benkay: a friend was curious about
http://www.simple.com: "their advertising pitch seemed to be: 'coffee. flannel. dogs. bank. flannel. guitars on a porch. bank.'"
benkay: "i mean yeah - it's a US bank. they likely won't do a runner with your cash. they're also just like every other bank in the states, except maybe not running on mainframes older than yourself and myself put together."
benkay: they just got bought by BBVA, iirc. from what i understand the spaniards want to leverage the stack that Simple built out for themselves across a load of different networks.
benkay: "here's a team that's actually built a thing that makes money. let's buy the thing and leverage the team's proven track record of shipping high-quality software to ameliorate our dependency on ancient internal tooling."
benkay: no quadrillion dollar exit or anything, but the mgmt team had accelerated vesting in place for everyone with options, so it looks like a chunk of the PDX clojure group will be taking rather nice vacations this year if the workload ever slows down.
midnightmagic: No, whoever came up with that $1b estimate is someone being silly and probably looking for grant money.
midnightmagic: There is also no "theoretical proof" that the architecture of the brain is "under 700MB". That's utter nonsense.
benkay: let it go, midnightmagic.
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mike_c: the data for creating the brain may be that small, but the code that runs it (rules of chemistry, biology, etc) is huge.
benkay: swear to god i know that girl.
jurov: mircea_popescu: fico only won first round and with only 4% gain. second (final) round is scheduled to march 29
jurov: mp is asking that second or third time already, you could have explained him that when i'm not around...
Apocalyptic: ninjashogun, already been posted hours ago
ninjashogun: someone should set up an FDI btc - Federal Deposit Insurance of Bitcoins
ninjashogun: every week you hear of an exchange closing down freezing funds etc due to hacking.
jurov: ninjashogun: that proposal isn't even funny
jurov: it's wholesale stupid
jurov: mandatory proof of infosec competence for whoever asks bitcoins deposits/loans/investments would be tad better
ninjashogun: jurov - that's not how bitcoin works. nothing is mandatory.
jurov: yes. but i can at least chuckle over that
ninjashogun: jurov - I suppose the main reason an insurance scheme is stupid is because it doesn't work if every exchange gets hacked and has to pay out....
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ninjashogun: jurov - what percentage of BTC exchanges have lost btc due to theft? (to the point of shutting down)
ninjashogun: jurov - I've heard of 3-5 such cases (I think) but I don't know what percentage that represents.
Apocalyptic: ninjashogun, you mean realt theft or self-theft a la zhou tong ?
jurov: even if i somehow knew that % it would be utter meaningless number
ninjashogun: Apocalyptic, there's no way to know is there :)
ninjashogun: what is the percentage of exchnages that have had "reported theft" (whether real or invented)
jurov: ninjashogun one can't insure subprime mortgages (incidentally, from very similar reasons).. but some doods did that anyway
ninjashogun: jurov - well, you can insure sub-prime mortgages but the premium might be on par with the monthly payment.
jurov: because they were thinking in % like you do
ninjashogun: jurov - I wonder how much it would reduce exchnage usage if there were a 20% insurance fee on all deposits. (Which is insane.) Would some people still use it to buy fiat with BTC they accept elsewhere?
jurov: dumber ideas had their moment of btc glory
ninjashogun: we know that the percentage of exchnages that would pretend a theft occurred would go up. (It's called 'moral hazard' in insurance.)
mike_c: it would be difficult for that to go up.
ninjashogun: mike_c - well I know a couple that have not reported thefts so far. (For example moolah's)
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.07123173 = 1.852 BTC [-] {7}
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06125 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34110 @ 0.00095029 = 32.4144 BTC [+]
Duffer1: wow going through his post history, that all seems to be getting pretty ugly
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ninjashogun: Duffer1 - whose posting history are you referring to? If it's Garr, I know someone who knows him. (many exchanges).
ninjashogun: sorry if it's Goat. Not sure if that means Garr.
ninjashogun: My comment is about "His Most Eminent Highness Grand Caesar Imperator Goat"
Duffer1: i was referring to Goat's post history
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.06039287 = 0.8455 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: kakobrekla: on bitcoin-assets.com the donation addr is 14uG... but link goes to 1B6N...
Duffer1: ninja so you know someone that knows garr are you involved with Cog?
Duffer1: i'm just curious to find out what's going on
jurov: yes. and now i wanted to check and only then realized the prob
Duffer1: do you not control that address Kako?
kakobrekla: i dunno, i got a bunch of wallets but at first look no
ninjashogun: Duffer1, No I'm not involved with Cog. I just know that as far as this person is concerned Goat is very trustworthy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.062 = 0.806 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00094663 = 11.2649 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: i'm not exactly sure, it'swhy i was asking
Duffer1: i just see a lot of accusations of fraud and mismanagement dunno what's going on though
ninjashogun: I didn't say it's my opinion. I don't know Goat personally at all.
ninjashogun: This person could easily have been mislead, etc.
Duffer1: oh i mean accusations of fraud by Goat against Garr
ninjashogun: and about Goat, I know just that one person trusts him and has been in touch for over a year.
dexX7: Duffer1: do you know, if it's possible to withdrawal ltc from ct?
Duffer1: i tried to withdrawal .4 but it wouldn't let me
Duffer1: it kept ignoring the . and trying to withdraw the 4
dexX7: did you try "," instead of "."?
Duffer1: bah you damned euros lol no i didn't try a ,
bounce: not the only shop that had that problem. add a 0 in front of that . and all should be well again.
Ghaleon_: anyone here install 0.9.0 on unbent from source ?
dexX7: if it works indeed with ",", it's funny, because the balance is shown as "x.y"
Duffer1: nope, it won't even let me enter a , or a .
Duffer1: ah thanks bounce i missed that, that does indeed work
dexX7: what did you enter exactly? 00.4?
Duffer1: to answer your initial question dexX7 it is possible to withdraw LTC from CT. The transaction showed up almost immediately
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 439 @ 0.00094503 = 0.4149 BTC [-]
Duffer1: although.. my balance still shows the original even after refresh
Mats_cd03: i see today's topic of discussion was neuroscience
Mats_cd03: are we going to continue discussing genetics and biology as though theres an expert in here
ozbot: 300 Bitcoins to be worth more than a share of Class A Berkshire Hathaway Stock on March 31st 2015 -
jurov: let's start by considering the question
jurov: whether above is parasitism or symbiosis
jurov: i can easily foresee the price end up between 300 and 315 and then predictious going down in flames
jurov: i think they already resell bitbet
Mats_cd03: and i propose a second bitbet - predictious shuttering by the same date
benkay: Mats_cd03: ninjashogun's an expert in all the fields. how dare you!
ninjashogun: benkay, nice to see you have nothing better to do on a Sunday than trolling.
ninjashogun: I'm no expert on neuroscience but I have sought out their opinions. Funny, the same as I've done here for financial info. The difference is that they didn't troll for it.
Mats_cd03: just having some fun at your expense
mike_c: and they didn't change the link? interesting decision.
ninjashogun: you're cool Mats_cd03 . Actually you're all pretty cool but I may have to burn this nick and come back in two months if I want to hang out here. I've done that elsewhere. It's funny how the same people can be cool and total trolls.
kakobrekla: its odd, but its wp, so not much surprise there.
Mats_cd03: i nearly set a stack of newspapers on fire today with a soldering iron
ninjashogun: Mats_cd03, you weren't kidding about hardware :)
dexX7: is the guy from blockr.io here?
dexX7: do you use blockchain.info as source?
dexX7: i have the problem of a confirmed transformation that is shown as unconfirmed on bc.i and doesn't exist on blockr
kakobrekla: i dunno source for what they should be but no
dexX7: 7f3eadf5ada45c1eff3342eedc5153e1e2b1ec21e391ab8247c756ad4a08472c
dexX7: wait, this one is shown on blockr
dexX7: 9e575ffc126b339c81f5bcf511d23f5ae24ce1a7f961aeade1e2afe54ef30808
Mats_cd03: took a second for the tx to propagate across nodes?
dexX7: but blockchain.info is still broken
jurov: yes i see it occassially too
ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction 7f3eadf5ada45c1eff3342eedc5153e1e2b1ec21e391ab8247c756ad4a08472c
jurov: or they are on a fork
jurov: or you are on a fork
nubbins`: at my last job, all our customer databases were built in the 80s
nubbins`: most didn't bother with primary keys
dexX7: jurov: maybe, but ... "real" block height: 292106, bc.i: 292102
Mats_cd03: i consulted for a place once where all the user, admin passwords were plaintext and shared the same excel file as the auth for the hvac systems and scif
dexX7: (i submitted the tx as raw on bci, that's why they are at least there)
Mats_cd03: i reported it after i left and two execs got fired months afterwards
nubbins`: i reported plaintext passwords and the response was "yeah, we know"
Mats_cd03: dealing with policies and procedures and bureaucratic garbage rather than doing my job
Mats_cd03: no ipods cause manning fucked that up for everybody
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radan: I outted Karpeles a long time ago
ninjashogun: Mats_cd03, asciilifeform and mirceau-p's Cardano - a physical device that escrows private keys and signs documents passed to it over USB - stored passwords as plaintext on the theory that a loss or theft should be considered catastrophic anyway. So storing in plaintext means people will practice better opsec
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radan: my analysis began and ended with "he's a jew"
radan: I think that tells you everything about him, more or less
Mats_cd03: there was more than one egregious security offense in that event
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.06000641 = 0.6601 BTC [-] {7}
radan: the man's basically a walking stereotype
dexX7: mp is involved with cryptome?
Mats_cd03: they eschewed any preventive administrative controls
Mats_cd03: least privilege, separation of duties, leaving the damn thing on a shared network folder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 711 @ 0.00301 = 2.1401 BTC [-] {5}
Mats_cd03: i understand what youre trying to say, pidgin and an infinite number of developers agree with that idea
Mats_cd03: that doesnt mean you stop layering security
dexX7: speaking of security. in 8 days is the worldwide backup day :)
Mats_cd03: you know how spy tradecraft works?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00298105 = 0.1043 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: its not the techniques per se, its the obscurity in practice that evades detection
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00298102 = 0.2653 BTC [-]
radan: must be nice knowing all those fancy crypto
radan: you can probably store data very securely
Mats_cd03: > This man is an Ashkenazi of French background living in Japan.
Mats_cd03: this reminded me of drake, the rapper
jurov: asciilifeform took great pains to explain not even host PC shouldn't be able to recognize it's cardano
Mats_cd03: a canadian jew in the rap game... luls
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radan: if you're jewish, the world's your stage
radan: there's friendly people in positions of power in every industry wanting to see you succeed
radan: they're the new nobility and no one recognizes it
mike_c: this clearly helped karpales. look how great he's doing!
radan: he's not in jail yet and he's got a lot of money.
radan: I'd say he's doing well for himself
mike_c: if only you had different genes, you could be rich too.
mike_c: if only you weren't you.
radan: Judaism isn't genetic
mike_c: i'm talking about you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28635 @ 0.00094692 = 27.1151 BTC [+] {2}
radan: I'm jewish by jewish law because my grandmother was a jew
Mats_cd03: race envy is terribly out of fashion
radan: what a good argument against anything
radan: "do you realize how unfashionable you're being"
Apocalyptic: <radan> they're the new nobility and no one recognizes it // some do
mike_c: try this. do you realize you sound like a whiny child?
Mats_cd03: "the jews" have less power now than they have ever had at any time in history
benkay: lol karpeles is satoshi
radan: a single Jewish family controls 40% of sweden's enterprise
benkay: radan you're a muslim?
radan: where did that come from
benkay: all the allah wankery on your blog
radan: that's me making fun of muslims
radan: get with the times, old man
dexX7: hehe benkay, the track is indeed fine. i usually use di.fm for music :)
radan: irony's the new hip thing
kakobrekla: if anyone is curious, it was akismet that ships default with wp.
benkay: needs more context, radan.
dub: jews making fun of muslims lel
Mats_cd03: benkay: do you like happy by pharrell?
benkay: Mats_cd03: kinda anemic.
radan: anyway, I'm in the oil industry
radan: possibly the industry where jewish connections can least help me
benkay: filthy capital intensive operations
Mats_cd03: and some kanye for the young bloods in here www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0FtrbhfhWg
gribble: Vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
dexX7: <radan> anyway, I'm in the oil industry << burn in hell, kafir
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Mats_cd03: Aw th-, they said he wasn't tall enough?
Mats_cd03: benkay: you've outed yourself, i can tell you do shitloads of drugs
benkay: not as many as i once did
benkay: shit to do these days.
Mats_cd03: cake up to wake up, sip that shit pass out or play playstation
Mats_cd03: i think im betraying my age... afk
benkay: you're coked to the gills in here regularly, Mats_cd03.
benkay: leastaways seems that way hurr hurr hurr
benkay: relevant yet unrelated photo of lines
Mats_cd03: youre only seeing the highlight reels
benkay: subject of the Vin Mariani the smart kids have introduced me to their new favorite habit of dissolving high-grade cocaine in high-test alcohol and eyedroppering it into their drinks
benkay: and it was just one of them.
benkay: everything old is new again.
benkay: i wonder if it reflects something about culture. leaving the boom/bust of pushing crystals through a delicate membrane for a more even dosage level over a longer period of time.
dexX7: never mind.. it's a scam imposter site the guy mentioned
Mats_cd03: turns out putting nuclear reactors on ships is a great idea
dexX7: bci is catching up
kakobrekla: jurov it happend 13 days ago. by the timing im guessing you hacked it, sent the money to yourself and now want a refund!
jurov: interesting. any evidence?
dexX7: is there an alternative?
User__: dexX7 how do you know? from the UI
dexX7: until a few minutes ago blockchain.info was more than 6 blocks behind
dexX7: and i confirm this with two nodes i run myself
dexX7: and www.blockr.io :)
dexX7: but i have no idea, how you could see that something is wrong, if you only look at blockchain.info itself
User__: what about as an online wallet?
dexX7: at the very moment everything seems to be fine
dexX7: well, worst case is probably that you are "behind". coins should never be at risk, especially because blockchain.info is not the holder of coins
dexX7: you may export the privat keys from your online wallet, just in case
Mats_cd03: you should not be using online wallets at all
dexX7: fyi: checked the last 100+ blocks. blockchain.info is in sync
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05799999 = 0.116 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: cause bitcoiners wanna be famous and network too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058 = 0.116 BTC [+]
cazalla: yes but would you go to an @aantonop meet up with no women?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05700005 = 0.114 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.057 = 0.912 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0560001 = 0.112 BTC [-]
jurov: hi mircea_popescu, heard what's new on bitcoin-assets.com ?
jurov: one kako did not knew about
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb
jurov: no that's the right one afaik
dexX7: that's the one linked at the bottom of the website
jurov: i had donated to 14uG7Qcu7riB9rthmmqjVVNn7gtGkZPFGC instead
jurov: fortunately only 0.1
dexX7: i would worry more about a potential hack than 0.1 btc
jurov: BITCOIN-ASSETS LOGS STOLEN
dexX7: all teh gossip and slander available for the public!?
jurov: last words were "still under investigation"
Apocalyptic: dexX7, more like the logs could be edited, don't know to what extend it was compromised
kakobrekla: the logs were not edited ( except for the shit-smeller part)
dexX7: Apocalyptic: good point
ninjashogun: any of you familiar with the 'black swan' concept?
ninjashogun: Do you think the bitcoin phenomenon counts as one?
Mats_cd03: i fancy taleb myself but i find the concept unpalatable
JorgePasada: mats_cd03 I think Taleb would have come off better if so much of his contempt for the people who laughed at him for being wrong all though the financial bubbles didn't seep through his writing. Great ideas, great thoughts/concepts, somewhat poorly presented.
Mats_cd03: it is not repeatable, testable, or falsifiable
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Mats_cd03: it doesnt pass a test of any rigor known by science
mike_c: kako said it was the akismet plugin for wordpress that allowed the hack.
Apocalyptic: only one known exploit for this, and it's from 2007...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0557 = 1.671 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23843 @ 0.00095123 = 22.6802 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06299797 = 0.189 BTC [+] {2}
dexX7: it's a shame that everyone started to yell about the sec stuff, but it was known since korbman was called by them weeks? earlier
bounce puts down a high hat and fiddles a tune of big plans and obvious competence
CheckDavid: Web business Apocalyptic . a different kind of job board
mike_c: good to know the WSJ is still weeks behind b-a
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
TestingUnoDosTre: the SEC has been calling people as well as emailing? I didn't realize they worked so much
dexX7: well, i guess the flow of bitcoin news is something like assets-> trilema -> reddit -> mass media
benkay: good one, Mats_cd03. that's what i'm doing.
ninjashogun: hi - I am attempting to make an introduction to someone who has LTC for sale (person I would introduce wants to buy ltc). (mid five figures in us fiat). Might someone here be interested?
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada does have a point, he does read a little bitter.
mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> i need business to start a money << hahaha epic.
bounce: you just missed the kid in -otc, though he offered euros
benkay: Mats_cd03: derpy web apps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 81 @ 0.05475965 = 4.4355 BTC [-] {8}
radan: is bitcoin an end or a means to an end
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Overall I like Taleb, I just wish he'd present his ideas without so much of his emotional baggage... but I guess that's the struggle of communication in general. He probably wouldn't be nearly the same person without all those experiences, so I guess some of it is bound to seep through
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada i think this comes with the territory of being old. in the following specific sense :
radan: it makes sense logically, but judaism isn't a logical entity
mircea_popescu: we easily laugh at kids today because they're wimps, no experience with physical violence, completely unable to cope with physical reality.
radan: it involves ties of emotions, genetics, history, and shared experience
mircea_popescu: meanwhile however, they are experts at handling what's called "trolling"
radan: none of these are things that bitcoin can emulate
mircea_popescu: "how could he say i fuck donkeys in my spare time!111"
mircea_popescu: so in a sense, it's a quid pro quo, and taleb is captive of his generation.
JorgePasada: I agree with that observation completely, the trolling thing
JorgePasada: especially that younger generations are much better at dealing with it
mircea_popescu: it's very visible to me because i have to be veeehehery careful to insulate the older (mostly engineering) people working for me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.065999 = 0.66 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: from the pr stuff. otherwise they end up moping and all indignant
JorgePasada: Trying to tie something into this and make a salient point...
JorgePasada: something in the vein of emotional resilience and self reliance vs physical
mircea_popescu: i usually go listen, forgot about that, it's not your job, let the girls handle it etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00095095 = 25.4855 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: do the engineers freak out a lot with price changes, or do they understand how to protect themselves from shifts in price if they care to do so
mircea_popescu: srsly now, as an engineer, if you're any good and you got to be old, how the fuck would you actually need a salary
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00299 = 0.1794 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: old people are for some reason really really concerned with libel
mircea_popescu: to the degree they can't even write for the internet. what if someone doesn't like what they say!!1
mircea_popescu: as if, you know. everybody loves raymond or some shit.
mircea_popescu: but as ridiculous as it may seem, a lot of older people have serious trouble coping with the idea that well... not everybody is going to like them. no matter what they do.
mircea_popescu: it's what informs all the god-awful "pr" everyone else is doing.
JorgePasada: one of the weird dichotomies coming out of the internet and the whole 'trolling' thing
JorgePasada: Is I'm meeting more and more young people who realize earlier on in their lives
Mats_cd03: whats the timeline on +m and 0.1btc for +v
JorgePasada: that they don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of them and they're content being themselves
JorgePasada: some of my younger cousins are throughly fucked up
JorgePasada: This stuff is pretty high up the stack though, i mean, in terms of the maslows triange stuff
JorgePasada: weird thing is, for me at least, the more firm footing I found in the upper self actualization shit, the less of a base I felt I needed to stand on for the other stuff
mircea_popescu: take a shy chick to the nude beach, she'll usually rather part with the clothing than be considered a loser by the other chicks.
mircea_popescu: apparently the need to belong beats clothing and shelter.
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JorgePasada: I guess I was about to draw a line where there really isn't one, but like... when it comes to culture/style vs morality and ethics
JorgePasada: I guess if it were like "Stoning people cause it's the cool thing" and I felt like I was going to get my ass beat if I didn't stone someone
JorgePasada: I'd like to think I'd never use force or violence against another human without it being initiated on me first, but...
JorgePasada: that being said, still glad I know how to shoot well
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Mats_cd03: are you allowed to carry concealed in your jurisdiction, JorgePasada?
JorgePasada: mats_cd03: Yep, with a permit, which I have.
Mats_cd03: friendly reminder for all readers in the us following along
Mats_cd03: if you live in an unsafe area and are in need of home defense, find yourself an antique handgun or firearm: legal to own and unnecessary to declare to local LE in many jurisdictions
Mats_cd03: downsides: expensive, typically slow to reload, usually involves a grand jury investigation
benkay: whatever happened to hiring muscle?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 256 @ 0.00297961 = 0.7628 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525000 / 0.00541687 / 0.00556000 (1177 shares, 6.37565958 BTC), 7D: 0.00511800 / 0.00542967 / 0.00568690 (2166 shares, 11.76065904 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555978 / 0.00900001 (50129 shares, 278.70606449 BTC)
Mats_cd03: upsides: low collateral damage, sometimes you can hide the body before authorities appear and forensics will be of little assistance to LE
mircea_popescu: i'm with benkay. if you live in an unsafe area, just open a bar, pass free drinks to the teenaged hoodlums, watch them mow down the police if you ever need any help
mike_c: wow, RENT has been dipping below ipo already? and btc hasn't even gone up yet.
Mats_cd03: id be worried about my place of business being razed by 50 calibre rounds
Mats_cd03: dont you know local cops in the us now have dedicated swat teams?
benkay: well you gotta hedge by taking the commissioner out to dinner regularly too
mircea_popescu: collect all the spent cartridges and have the local chicks make art
Mats_cd03: i saw an MRAP from afghanistan in a parade for st patricks day
mircea_popescu: benkay in a sane country, maybe. in the us, he's not worth the time.
Mats_cd03: it had been retrofitted for use by LE... i pooped myself
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Mats_cd03: i have seen those things get blasted by a buried 120mm shell and witnessed the driver walking away from the explosion
benkay: hey mircea_popescu wouldja invite @anjiecast to join us?
benkay: fuck if i can figure out how to link to a specific tweet
benkay: well its twitter. i imagine she has to stake out some controversial stance.
benkay: american feminism is totally down with lifestyle bdsm man
benkay: but on the internet, say anything off party line and get burnt.
benkay: far easier to have this conversation with the lady in question present.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00095095 = 23.2983 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: is this a coin where every block's an orphan or is this a coin that will be "airdropped" on orphans
ThickAsThieves: it'll be airdropped on mommies and daddies that love each other very much
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mircea_popescu: lol no, it's an actual law firm from like missouri iirc
mircea_popescu: modern day ambulance chasers, they mostly work injury and consumer claims
nubbins`: how's this for a PSA: back up your fuckin phone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00094938 = 26.2978 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: not as though 2fa really helps if your counterparties are incompetent
benkay: ;;google cascadian hacker 2fa
ThickAsThieves: not that it's the best solution, but doesn't the Authy app store 2fa in their "cloud"
ozbot: Webwallets Will Always Fail - Fr33aid's wallet robbed, Blockchain.info complicit in 2FA compromise
nubbins`: fun fact, "eskimo" is a derogatory term in canada
nubbins`: afaik the literal translation of eskimo is "eater of raw meat"
nubbins`: and this caused some consternation from the inhabitants of canada's north
ozbot: Governor-General applauded, denounced for eating raw seal - The Globe and Mail
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long before southpark starts idling in here to crib material for furhter episodes.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` actually you know what ? fuck! you don't need to make a quarterly \book or w/e
nubbins`: imagine, a haitian woman becomes the queen's representative in canada, and flies up north to eat raw meat with people who take offense at being called eaters of raw meat
kakobrekla: anyway, some noob exploited aksimet default shipping plugin, changed the address and left everything behind. this happened 13 days ago. everything else checks out.
nubbins`: that's a storyline right there
kakobrekla: since today on i have a dedicated wp secretary
ozbot: Andrea Castillo (anjiecast) on Twitter
benkay: fuck mircea_popescu it's rattling around somewhere in my brain...
mircea_popescu: "your head's very small and the brain's rattling around"
benkay: princessnell: are you the just-linked anjiecast?
mircea_popescu: more usefully : hey princessnell, to talk you write in the bar to the bottom of the screen and press enter.
mircea_popescu: by the way : here's dali saying romania is the best there is
ozbot: Radu Varia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: well the pit is prepared for his afternoon training. i'm off to make him a better dog.
nubbins`: i had a prof for vector calculus named oana radu
ninjashogun: what's the online wallet with the best reputation?
ozbot: Oana Radu & Dr Mako feat. Eli - Tu - YouTube
benkay: ninjashogun: web wallets are anathema.
mircea_popescu: (oana is top 20 frequency name for a girl, radu is top 50 or so frequency for a boy. gypsyes in the south keep calling themselves firstname-firstname)
ninjashogun: holy #$@ mirceau you sure know how to pick them. But I would never go for a woman with such an intellectually provocative public profile. Only the ones who keep that to themselves (as I do). makes everything easier :) :)
ozbot: Death - Live at Amoeba Music
ninjashogun: also, anyone who lists "psychology" as an interest is dead to me. They are beyond crazy, and without exception. I don't know a single marker as predictive of mental instability as interest in psychology.
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gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <moiety> i sreepy, good mew all, whatever your timezone!
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ThickAsThieves: mp you look pretty hardcore with that shaved head and beard now
mircea_popescu: but atm i look more like the old pic than this new one
ThickAsThieves: as long as you maintain a hint of rabbi, i'm cool with it
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mircea_popescu: "In London, the different guilds divided into tribes and engaged in violent disputes. In 1339, fishmongers were involved in a series of major street battles with goldsmiths. But ironically, the apprentices with the worst reputation for violence belonged to the legal profession."
mircea_popescu: In the 15th and 16th Centuries, apprentice riots in London became more common, with the mob targeting foreigners including the Flemish and Lombards. On May Day in 1517, the call to riot was shouted out - "Prentices and clubs!" - and a night of looting and violence followed that shocked Tudor England.
mircea_popescu: By this time, the city was swelling with apprentices, and the adult population was finding them more difficult to control, says Barbara Hanawalt. As early death from infectious disease became rarer the apprentices faced a long wait to take over from their masters. "You've got quite a number of young men who are in apprenticeships who have got no hope of getting a workshop and a business of their own," says Jeremy Goldb
mircea_popescu: erg. "You've got numbers of somewhat disillusioned and disenfranchised young men, who may be predisposed to challenging authority, because they have nothing invested in it."
mircea_popescu: benkay dude you didn't scare the woman off in private did you ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526079 = 0.1052 BTC [-]
ozbot: Is betsofbitcoin.in dead?
kakobrekla: easy to compare oneself with dead horse
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla amusingly... that's actually the shit mpoe-pr references.
mircea_popescu: they got pushed by zero hedge and made like... half a btc or somesuch
kakobrekla: dunno whats the bigger problem, the service or the audience
mircea_popescu: "Definitely no one on this forum gets any credit whatsoever. You're all idiots."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.065999 = 0.198 BTC [+]
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