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mircea_popescu: if you look through the logs the spec is a pastebin plastered like a dozen diff places.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: butbut... the spec's right here! <<< not terribly fair. the mercedes is not made out of coffee like code is.
asciilifeform: butbut... the spec's right here!
mod6: <+asciilifeform> like, your whole reich goes down << wouldn't it be grand to have a spec so people can use that to build their own compliant reference implementation?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789340 latter reprise. and there's a pastebin with the actual spec too. ☝︎
punkman: openpgp spec says normalize to CRLF I think
asciilifeform: i expect that the truly serious folks won't even touch my hardware, but recreate it from spec...
mircea_popescu: ;;rate punkman 2 improved on my spec!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah original spec called for keeping all the deeds, as a sort of primitive distributed backup
asciilifeform somehow thought that original spec called for precisely this
mircea_popescu: punkman hm. this is actually an improvement on my spec. who ever thought such possible!
mircea_popescu: splendid. anything it doesn't do of the spec ?
ben_vulpes: well this'd be the difference between a spec and an implementation, non?
ben_vulpes: herd cats, write spec?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i kinda hope that i can put this down for a while after jurov proclaims a mailing list box that works to gpg spec
asciilifeform: they simply took the spec & reimplemented.
bounce wouldn't be surprised to learn the chips bricked themselves because they're not up to spec
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes as opposed to... lol crafting your own based on imaginary spec?
mircea_popescu: once i hire someone, yes. spec's all in my head.
bounce: nah, just sloppy spec. care to tighten it up?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: I was speaking with a fellow who had to rube-goldberg engineer a crazy 'biologic' breakdown system for mustard gas, because the envirocultists refused to allow simple incineration of the stuff << Disolve in vegetable oil, emulsify with albumin, condiment that passes spec in Ohio
assbot: Ethereum ASIC-resistant PoW spec - Google Docs
ThickAsThieves: the concept of a spec'd way to comment on websites with one account?
asciilifeform: and items are made to spec.
asciilifeform: thing is, the chinese in this respect do not suck. american turdmeisters supply the spec.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: on spec, tho?
ben_vulpes: maybe a spec
mircea_popescu: and a spec as in, spec of dust.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: spec for carving kiwis, or a zealotous os?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's just a spec i bet.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: The spec says to generate an address from hashing the text, is there a way for other people to verify this? <<< yes. generate the address, spend the coins sent there.
thickasthieves: i know nothing of spec
PeterL: yes, but this is about the spec, not the particular code
PeterL: The spec says to generate an address from hashing the text, is there a way for other people to verify this?
asciilifeform: you can read an sdram spec by, e.g., 'micron' (i did) and implement a ddr2 sdram controller.
mircea_popescu: whoever makes it, either makes it to spec or it won't work. period and enforced.
asciilifeform: why i even mention it? because it's an example of a device that loudly, proudly, pisses on the usb spec (spirit and letter thereof) but is tolerated because for most people - it appears harmless.
decimation: for another thing the practical folks are off doing something useful rather than travelling to LA to 'agree on a spec'
mircea_popescu: the spec is about as stupid as a hardware spec could be.
decimation: asciilifeform: after working closely with usb, do you see it as an evil spec?
thickasthieves: all computers should use the same hw spec and everyone should program in the same language and use the same db sesign too
thickasthieves: i understand that a spec for website data would be convenient and provide ease and cleanliness from one perspective
mircea_popescu: decimation you can appreciate the shittyness of it, right ? suppose you were given the task of fixing code you may not read running on a one of a kind processor you don't even have the spec for.
asciilifeform: can't have a part machined, for example, unless there is no possibility of making it to spec with own hands (pcbs with soldermask, vias, hard gold - fall into this category)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` well this point was still being worked upon. the spec calls for the hash to be used as the privkey for the destination of the tx.
assbot: Logged on 23-09-2014 03:26:15; mircea_popescu: dja recall the spec ?
assbot: 345 results for 'spec' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spec
mircea_popescu: !s spec
mircea_popescu: the spec lol. only linked like 500 times in the chan
decimation: I yearn for the days when usg would actually create a spec for an object and have it manufactured
mats_cd03: fun fact: the Bluetooth Low Energy spec has three key exchange mechanisms. 2/3 "do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection" (as per spec).
MolokoDesk: did I miss the spec?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk i'll spec it for you one second.
MolokoDesk: the hashing spec is just SHA256 of the file converted to a bitcoin address.
punkman: hashing spec would be nice
MolokoDesk: if that was your spec that's what it's doing.
asciilifeform: for human body, death is the unambiguous spec
asciilifeform was never obsessed with 'spec' - but does think that one must arrive at what question is being answered before attempt is meaningful
mircea_popescu: doctors have been doing ok auditing the human body w/o any spec for a while now.
ben_vulpes: spec seems like formal term
mircea_popescu: dja recall the spec ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mac did not fit the cargo-cult spec - defined by ibm, naturally - of 'feeling businessy' - and therefore yes, did suffer from 'nice package.'
RagnarDanneskjol: its mp's spec, not mine. I dum
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 19:05:02; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: justusranvier "code is the spec" means "the compiler we use is the spec" too.
justusranvier: Speaking of specs, davec found parts of bitcoind script validation that involved behavior undefined by the C++ spec, meaning it's theoritically possible to compile it with a non-gcc compiler and get two bitcoinds that will fork on a carefully-crafted transactions.
mircea_popescu: what are they going to do, write out a spec then have the bitcoind horde pretend "it fails" ?
asciilifeform: plus continuing with 'the code is the spec' derpatron.
mircea_popescu: we're not getting too far here, lemme write it out as a formal spec.
jurov: with caveat thet ETA for rigorous spec is Inf
asciilifeform: the only actual good thing about the alpha was that the spec fit in a thin paperback book.
assbot: Nobody thinks about the robot apocalypse when spec'ing out a sex android. They should. When the time comes, are you going to be the sub?
decimation: asciilifeform: the datasheet artfully declines to provide any spec for timing accuracy - long or short term
asciilifeform: still boggling mind at the newest pgp hatchet job. why the idiocy? or rather, why was it not cushioned in perfectly logical criticism of the spec (crufty; mandates support for hideously weak algos; etc) ?
mircea_popescu: and of course the spec is a gnarly pos. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon3 anywhere from 310 to 410 w per o.o
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - sure, those guys are dime a dozen. I can find almost any spec you throw at me - the more detailed & complex the better. Its kind of nice cause I work in a female dominated industry (HR) so I tend to gravitate all the jobs noone else can fill
mircea_popescu: didja get to read the spec ?
dignork: i'm doing it for a friend, but all this spec looks overcomplicated as shit, and thus probably buggy exploitable
zillabtc: they have full spec of what the business plan is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom. ☟︎☟︎
pankkake: so how can you spec the bet?
decimation: yeah a grand seiko quartz should be less than 1 second per month based on their internal spec
fluffypony: not to spec, just standard 19" size
decimation: impedance actually varies with frequency, which no one gives a spec for
decimation: according to their spec sheet, the ath m50's only go down to 15 hz, the sennehiser hd280's go down to 8 Hz
decimation: man the spec sheets for headphones suck
decimation: I'm a sennheiser fanboi, but I'm sure there are other quality headphones out there. examine the spec sheet
asciilifeform: Au is SOP for mil-spec connectors.
assbot: 1 results for 'name in the spec' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=name+in+the+spec
mircea_popescu: !s name in the spec
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that's the u.s. mil spec machine. it's mostly plastic.
mircea_popescu: so what, im going to ask for oceanview in my provision spec ?
decimation: yeah, the amount of extra work you have to go through to meet mil-spec for avionics, etc, why bother changing software?
decimation: I wish I had access to a high spec metal mill
decimation: pretty much anything miniaturized & high spec RF
kakobrekla: if anyone is particularly interested, i looked into why a negative prefix appears in the statement at the gain spec
assbot: The author of the OpenSSL Heartbleed bug also wrote the spec : programming
TheNewDeal: well don't they also have to perform to spec?
asciilifeform: they could have, in principle, picked tex, but the latter has no hard spec for graphics.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cals is/was a mind-bogglingly pedantic spec from us dod (circa early 80s)