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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: or say, go and fix RuBisCO, world's most inefficient enzyme << it's not its fault! hard fucking shit!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what's og ?
thestringpuller: original gangsta
thestringpuller: ::ud OG
thestringpuller: ;;ud og
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mircea_popescu: ouc
mircea_popescu: oic*
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell chetty http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Grand_prismatic_spring.jpg/800px-Grand_prismatic_spring.jpg now this has got to be in the game. ☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: DERP << still waiting for some muppet to start a company selling bottled piss or the like, and labeled 'bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: im kinda waiting for the twinks to get bored of being irrelevant, get upset and threaten to sue everyone else for using their invention.
mircea_popescu: destroy land/wealth equivalency << this is gone , actually, which is why i rent.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to fully visualize the logical conclusion of that gedankenexperiment, picture if one could subsist entirely on the output of a 'desktop garden' under a fluorescent lamp.
asciilifeform: (see also this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#781699) ☝︎
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mircea_popescu: inasmuch as you accept bitcoin as a desktop garden under a lcd backed monitor, one can, does.
mircea_popescu: you mean if everyone ? but everyone never could.
asciilifeform: well, everyone with the necessary apparatus.
asciilifeform: just like sailors on a nuke sub never need to surface for air - only for food/ammunition/parts
asciilifeform: (electrolytic cell, sea water)
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : the diesel sub is making a major comeback
asciilifeform: cost.
mircea_popescu: apparently much easier to make it silent, whereas the nuke ones can not
asciilifeform: silent on battery.
mircea_popescu: more importantly (and somewhat secretly) : they're one man subs.
mircea_popescu: robotics and computers are now advanced enough.
asciilifeform: and the 'two airplanes theorem' (what can two planes do, that one, regardless of how spiffy, cannot? be in two places.)
mircea_popescu: think about that solipsist heaven. a one man diesel attack sub.
asciilifeform: midget subs are 1930s state of the art.
mircea_popescu: but these are not so midget-y.
asciilifeform: and, who doesn't love the japanese 'Kaiten.'
asciilifeform: ;;google kaiten submarine
gribble: Kaiten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiten>; Human torpedo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo>; Kaiten-class | Nihon Kaigun - Imperial Japanese Navy Page: <http://combinedfleet.com/ships/kaiten>
mircea_popescu: they're actually pretty fully featured.
mircea_popescu: so what if ben_vulpes has it his way and by say 2050 most people that are people actually live in one ?
asciilifeform: generally, you want two men (one sleeps)
mircea_popescu: the sub having replaced the car that replaced the knight's horse
mircea_popescu: making orlof a sort of low tech early pioneer in the right direction.
asciilifeform: the familiar 'water planet' scenario, yes.
mircea_popescu: leaving the landspace to be inhabited by the proles, toiling in the mines and sub factories under the carcinogenic sun
asciilifeform: we could be there already, but somehow it appears that most people don't like the sea very much.
asciilifeform can't imagine why
mircea_popescu: it's not that familiar to me, i'm a sf noob/ignoramus :D
asciilifeform: 'Defined in these terms, when you move onto a floating pole somewhere in the ocean, the first effect on your freedom is a massive decline. You have sworn fealty to King Neptune. Neptune accepts your service, as he has accepted so many before you. His court is glorious, his riches are infinite, his territory is vast. But Neptune is a stern and capricious lord. To live at sea, you need not just love liberty. You n
asciilifeform: eed to love the sea. Spend a little time with Moitessier, Slocum, and the like; read this fine collection, and possibly this (pretty much all of Jonathan Raban's books are good); etc, etc. Yes, I'm aware that seasteading is not yachting. I'm aware that no one intends to take their floating poles around Cape Horn. But you are still at sea, and a subject of Neptune you remain.'
asciilifeform: (mr mold on the 'seasteading' concept. http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/05/democraphobia-goes-slightly-viral.html)
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mircea_popescu: !up tylander
mircea_popescu: well, lettuce see. the submarine is submerged. it does not care about "weather" in either fluid sense. with the new fleshlights and tumblr pr0nz... i defy you to find a bunch of 20somethings whose current life would be differen if they were subbed.
asciilifeform: a non-nuke sub spends 90+% of time on the surface.
asciilifeform: (given current battery tech, this is unlikely to change)
mircea_popescu: this is a tech problem.
asciilifeform: the same kind of tech problem as the absence of pocket laser pistol.
asciilifeform: batteries.
mircea_popescu: tell you what : a current car spends 90% of time in the garage. fu that.
mircea_popescu: let there be electric recharge stations on the ocean floor.
mircea_popescu: if they can do it with the teslas it has impact.
asciilifeform: or, as with one proposed electromobile, battery swap couriers.
mircea_popescu: in any case : international waters are international waters
mircea_popescu: and im not sure who can afford to piss off a nation of submarineers, but it wouldn't be the us.
mircea_popescu: what with its super vulnerable carriers and errything.
mircea_popescu: so composed out of thermal electro plant, battery recharge stations and a fleet of subs...
mircea_popescu: geothermal*
asciilifeform: when the last u.s. boat hits the bottom, the scrapyards, or the chinese auction block - we'll find out whether the 'seastead' folks are serious.
kuzetsa: hmm? tumblr pronz and fleshlights? why not both -- http://31.media.tumblr.com/72a9bdc2edcfc228a083bd0fd397c711/tumblr_n3edll7WSz1sp1w56o1_1280.jpg
kuzetsa: oosp, I spelled rp0nz wrong
kuzetsa: oh for fucks sake
mircea_popescu: dude... srlsly ?!
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: people fuck icecream-colored cartoon characters ?
kuzetsa: rule34
asciilifeform: people would fuck their own severed heads if they could.
kuzetsa: ^ yes, they would
mircea_popescu: the cunts aren't even identical holy hell.
asciilifeform: probably being '3d printed' to order even as we speak.
mircea_popescu: so who's the deep purple one in the middle ?
mircea_popescu: only actual slut in the bunch.
asciilifeform had occasion to go to a local electronics store a few days ago, '3d printers' were displayed right next to ordinary ones.
nubbins`: mp the floating one w/ the rainbow hair is probably the most represented in cosplay etc
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: the size of the folds of ones labia is not directly proportional to sexual activity, but only differs with natural variation from person to person... your logic is invalid for calling that slutty... or is this just your headcanon for that particular pony? in which case, I agree, she's awful
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa how much cunt have you seen so far ?
mircea_popescu: in square meters i mean.
nubbins`: lel
thestringpuller: nubbins`: we accept your offer
thestringpuller: we'll sign da papers tomorrow!
asciilifeform: in square meters << must specify, folded or denatured.
nubbins`: thestringpuller: lovely
mircea_popescu: either way.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: I've seen quite a lot, but even if that wasn't the case, the sex ed programs here don't promote fallacious negative images about people's sexuality because of genital shape
mircea_popescu: i couldn't begin to give less of a shit about what sex "ed" programs say there, wherever that is.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a psa "ed" effort that was accurate in details.
nubbins`: how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait
thestringpuller: nubbins`: it's just one color. white on black.
kuzetsa: colleges have sex ed and related programs too, not just primary schools
mircea_popescu: yeah, made by the same people, with the same political aggenda, and with the same utter ignorance and disrespect for observable reality.
nubbins`: thestringpuller: easy peasy
mircea_popescu: something being asserted by a state sponsored "ed" program of any kind is more a predictor of the something being wrong than right.
nubbins`: once in sixth grade, our teacher made us draw cocks for homework
nubbins`: these were put on the classroom bulletin board for the next few weeks
asciilifeform: this applies just as easily to the nominally 'proper' education (average peon has very little use for, e.g. arithmetic)
mod6: nubbins`: no wai?!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at lulzranch : carnivores having well developed teeth is in no way a predictor of their preference in eating meat over say photosynthesis.
mircea_popescu: so said animal ed!
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kuzetsa: uhm
nubbins`: mod6 nod
nubbins`: she was a strange woman
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no cunts tho ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, nope
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: now wtf sense does that make ?
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: fwiw she used to grind her vulva on the corners of desks when helping students
mircea_popescu: see, a teacher like that'd have never survived in mp's school.
mircea_popescu: too easy to bully.
mircea_popescu: people'd have been sticking cunt drawings on her back for the rest of her life.
nubbins`: not sure if this was autoerotic or candida
asciilifeform: nubbins`: teacher had no pockets? or, no hands ?
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kuzetsa: asciilifeform: women's clothing tends not to have many pockets :(
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform teacher rubbing vulva on corners is no indication of an absence of hands, pockets or brain.
asciilifeform: today she'd own one of those radio-controlled insertables.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa indeed, and ironically i suspect it's exactly for this reason.
kuzetsa: eww
mircea_popescu: no, srsly. controlling masturbation in little girls was much more a priority in victorian england that in teh case of boys
kuzetsa: no, I know
kuzetsa: that's why I said eww
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: a historical annoyance, for all forms of state, is that folks can, in general, grow food without asking it permission first. <<< this brings to mind the ridiculous "permit to assemble" device.
mircea_popescu: "yes you may gather together to overthrow the state, just as long as you get an approval form stamped by said state"
decimation: re: luxury submarines: http://www.ussubmarines.com/ << supposedly can stay submerged for at least a week going 2 knots
asciilifeform: there's two basic types of 'permission' - one where you can, without permission, but might catch some lead; and one where you actually can't ('promise vs. protocol')
mircea_popescu: decimation i tell you, if the tesla experiment works out we're going to see subs.
decimation: note that if you want go at any reasonable speed you must be on the surface, as ascii said
decimation: undersea charging is interesting
decimation: batteries still suck though
asciilifeform: you can charge inductively under the sea, but parasitic currents are a drag
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to do submerged anyway. the only real reason to move is abvout the same as getting new ips, ie, avoid the enemy.
mircea_popescu: for this reason, 2 knots is fine.
asciilifeform: (sea water conducts)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine some sort of copulatory connection will be standard.
asciilifeform: might want to wait for 'SOSUS' to finish falling apart before setting sail on microsubs
mircea_popescu: why ?
decimation: heh yeah that's a good point ascii
mircea_popescu: it's not currently able to handle massed targets well. this is, and has been, long known documented weakness
mircea_popescu: handwaved as "well if there's too many subs to track then that says all we wanted to know anyway rite ?"
asciilifeform: interesting fact, i think we might have spoken of it before - usg claims extraterritorial jurisdiction over... all ships.
mircea_popescu: so does any pirate. what of it ? claim is one thing.
asciilifeform: fix RuBisCO, from its current ~2% efficiency to something like 50+ - and now you needn't the massive resupply points that make fat targets.
asciilifeform: for the 1000 ships tactic, the vessels must be properly autonomous
decimation: asciilifeform: usg opts to allow the russian navy to exist in international waters: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/pentagon-russian-spy-ship-tug-operating-near-u-s/
assbot: Pentagon: Russian Spy Ship, Tug Operating Near U.S. | Washington Free Beacon
mircea_popescu: a war is won by a) making fat targets that b) the enemy tries to take out but c) fails.
decimation: said Lt. Col. Tom Crosson, a Pentagon spokesman. ?We respect the freedom of all nations, as reflected in international law, to operate military vessels beyond the territorial seas of other nations.?
asciilifeform: decimation: or recall the chinese sub that test-fired ballistic rockets off the california coast recently.
asciilifeform: ^ beautiful example of u.s. media hush campaign. vanished entirely from nearly everywhere within days of first mention.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure it's in the sub ed in colleges everywhere.
mircea_popescu: or maybe not.
decimation: re: usg rotting surveillance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Surveillance_System
assbot: Air Force Space Surveillance System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: Due to resource constraints caused by sequestration, Air Force Space Command officials have directed the 21st Space Wing to prepare to discontinue operations at the Air Force Space Surveillance System by Oct. 1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: eventual goal, for the state, is an endgame where you can't grow your own potato in secret any more than you can produce your own 14nm cpu. << eventual endgame, for the utopian socialist/nazist state, as for any utopian/figment of imagination, is human relevancy.
mircea_popescu: this is an unattainable goal for fundamental reasons.
decimation: the "space fence", transmitter blasted nearly 1 megawatt skyward to 'ping' off satellites
mircea_popescu: yet lucifer still doth try to fly.
asciilifeform wonders when ocean fiber reamplifiers will begin to include a few kg of trotyl with motion fuse, for meddlesome buggers
decimation: re: gov't control: witness the usg attempting to "control" "guns"
asciilifeform: unattainable goal << their modus operandi is to cripple people in any available way, to inject 'relevancy.' no reason to think this won't continue with better tech.
decimation: "if we can't bring everyone up to your level then we will tear you down"
mircea_popescu: of course it will continue. it will continue not to work lol.
mircea_popescu: obviously a car without an engine will continue to be a car without an engine for as long as hills and people willing to push can be found.
asciilifeform: decimation: ground-based gizmo obsoleted by orbital spybots
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the folks pushing the 'urban' ('totalitarian', etc, pick favourite term) << these seriously aren't equivalent.
asciilifeform: (how many of the latter still work - a different question)
decimation: asciilifeform: i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Based_Space_Surveillance
assbot: Space Based Space Surveillance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: the hayseeds imagine the urban despisement of their simpletonism is the same as the utopian hatred of their self sufficiency.
mircea_popescu: this is untrue, it only looks similar because they're too far away.
asciilifeform: are these entirely separable?
mircea_popescu: i would say so, yes.
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mircea_popescu: (as to the other point, the orbital spybots are a crapshot. earth based antenna is obv the right approach to the problem)
asciilifeform: if we actually get the tech for rural non-simpletonism (keep own pigs -and- bake own 14nm cores) - we'll learn
decimation: it seems to me that the self sufficiency is more threatening to the omni-state
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: why did the rulers of ussr, china, etc. push so aggressively for mechanized agriculture? to free the plow-pullers from their toil so they can watch opera? << for efficiency.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is impossible to have rural nonsimpletonism also for fundamental reasons.
asciilifeform: 'efficiency' - 'takes function arguments.' efficiency at what, for whom.
mircea_popescu: you ever seen l'uomo delle stelle ?
asciilifeform: nope
decimation: most of the actual farmers I have met in the us are people - they can machine, weld, assemble own parts from scrap
mircea_popescu: you absolutely muyst see this film. the italian renaissance is important particularly because they peddle such exceptionaly clear, deep reaching intuitions.
mircea_popescu: now allow me to quote from my own recensy :
decimation: but they are a minority even in rural areas
asciilifeform: decimation: they can machine, weld, assemble own parts from scrap << sure. but can they build so much as a kalash round with own hands, to the required tolerances?
decimation: I would go with yes, many of them load their own ammo
asciilifeform: reload.
decimation: certainly peasants in pakistan can perform that feat
asciilifeform: decimation: nope.
mircea_popescu: meh i can't find where i said it. anyway, in that film, which is predicated on the notion that an urbanite goes in the rural other world (he's a fraudulent film talent scout, cinecita was a big deal in post war italy).
asciilifeform: they merely have access to seemingly-inexhaustible old war spoils
mircea_popescu: he is incredibly popular with the worms, for the obvious reason : a shot at their idea of a better life.
mircea_popescu: one of the worms in question is a shepherd. he says, 1950ish : "con le stelle se puo parlare".
mircea_popescu: fuckwit discovering the ancient sources of greek philosophy by hand on his own, two milenina late.
mircea_popescu: this is the reason you broadly cabn't have intelligent rural people : too contemplative, by the nature of what rural means.
asciilifeform always supposed that it was because they cannot have proper 'division of labour'
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: it's because they don't get the incentive or the opportunity to use a large swath of the brain.
mircea_popescu: think, the rural noob in town has been the lol of the town's margins anywhere anytime, pick a society. coincidence ?
mircea_popescu: i think not.
mircea_popescu: to put it in the terms of the anonimity as urban/rural dispute article : the rural guy can run software without ever needing a garbage collector, because no program ever covers memory.
mircea_popescu: now this may be just fine and dandy "for some applications", but it's not a computer.
decimation: places like silicon valley were started by rural folk from the midwest, founded fairchild & invented modern transistors and IC's
mircea_popescu: decimation mind, i'm not arguing the people themselves are broken.
asciilifeform: '…like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the “newbies” to civilization burn down the building.)' (herr naggum) ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but the environment is unconducive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform probably related problem, tho those are usually hunters.
decimation: well, there's no doubt that they had to come to the city to meet the son of IBM founder to get money to start the operation
mircea_popescu: decimation not just money.
asciilifeform: decimation: philo farnsworth invented the raster scan while plowing a field. there's always a weirdo exception.
mircea_popescu: people who have to come to b-a to start a successful operation don't need just the money, or even the money at all.
decimation: most of them worked in big east coast corporations for several years first, true
mircea_popescu: and again, the idea that there's something wrong with the people involved is patent nonsense. kids come from the vilage to town and do better than kids born in town all the time.
mircea_popescu: but the environment doth not allow specific things.
asciilifeform 'east cost corporations' << had the distinct impression that most of the people here never had to walk the u.s. большая зона
nubbins` gets the vague sense that gribs could use a !translate plugin
asciilifeform: !s большая зона
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asciilifeform: damn
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR1A4ohq6w0 :D
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770509 ☝︎
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asciilifeform: there we go.
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traitorous_eight
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mircea_popescu: is this the chinese thing ?
mircea_popescu: o nm
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Noyce "In the summer of 1940, at the age of 12, he built a boy-sized aircraft with his brother, which they used to fly from the roof of the Grinnell College stables. "
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decimation: obviously if Mr. Noyce had stayed in Iowa he would have been an advanced farmer, not the founder of modern semiconductor business
asciilifeform: in modern usa, noyce would rot in own juices in a psychiatric ward.
decimation: quite possibly yes
asciilifeform: (or derp on 'reddit')
mircea_popescu: shockley is perhaps the best example of totally nutso master running his harem straight into a wall.
mircea_popescu: prolly a good case study
asciilifeform: howard hughes (around same time)
asciilifeform: not an uncommon pattern
decimation: fortunately they had the sense to follow noyce into the middle of nowhere and start a new business
mircea_popescu: at least hughes was not a boring stolid "social improvement" type.
mircea_popescu: from experience girls will forget flamboyant failure much easier than boring drudgery.
asciilifeform: shockley did, if i recall, hit upon the idea of building a sperm bank to.. hand out own sperm
mircea_popescu: wasn't he the guy who overengineered a diode while neglecting transistors to the point nobody could afford it ?
decimation: yeah he basically said "forget about the transistor, really complicated diodes are the future"
asciilifeform: 'Shockley was the only one to publicly acknowledge his donation to the sperm bank.' (pediwikia)
decimation: that was pretty much when noyce et. al. bailed
asciilifeform: diode logic is a complete logic, incidentally.
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shockley_diode
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asciilifeform: (so it isn't entirely clear that he was wrong)
decimation: no, but apparently after he got his Nobel prize he became an insufferable ass
mircea_popescu: decimation this is a particular sort of methodological error strategists of the "too clean" variety make. the error is to imagine that what's in question is whether the new thing is promising (positive) rather than broken (negative). fact is any new thing that isn't broken will probably outperform any current thing simply because business is about growth.
asciilifeform: like many successful/creative types, he had a 'red dwarf phase' of life
mircea_popescu: and by too clean i mean the sort that doesn't bareback random whores because "who knows what may happen"
asciilifeform: !s simulated annealing
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was this where i was disagreeing with locklin's similar idiocy ?
asciilifeform: possibly
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2014#515199 ☝︎
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asciilifeform: ^ old discussion of why china failed to technoclobber europe
mircea_popescu: ah yes.
asciilifeform: (too 'cold' in the simulated annealing sense. i.e., not psychotic enough.)
decimation: the problem is that with something like computing, it's "somewhat broken"
mircea_popescu: where is the locklin one. basically his thesis was that "printed guns will never work because the barrel isn't sexy"
asciilifeform: hans eysenck's 'psychoticism'
decimation: the broken-ness becomes a negative externality that is distributed randomly
mircea_popescu: decimation well if there weren't problems...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah i see what you mean. i took it literally :D
asciilifeform: as i recall, locklin's observation was that 'printed' gun is a technowankerous curio, vastly inferior to an aggregation of discarded plumbing parts and a rusty nail
mircea_popescu: which it is. and yet... the discussion isn't whether it looks promising (in the terms of today)
mircea_popescu: somewhat vaguely related : the nbc producers that decided to greenlight seinfeld, the largest grossing production in the history of nbc and the thing that even made sitcoms a thing
asciilifeform: speaking of which, time for today's 'sovietism.' not one english-speaking fellow i've met seemed to know, that you can machine arbitrarily hard metals with no cutting elements (no noise, no wear, no need for massive ballscrews or slides, etc.)
asciilifeform: electrolytically.
mircea_popescu: are on the record stating something like "well these two idiots came in, one a complete nobody , the other a dork, but we figured... whatever, it's just a script, we've not spent that much money on it"
asciilifeform: this was perfected in ussr, and the only vendor of electrolytic mills (which could trivially 'etch' small - or large - arms of whatever kind, on a desktop) is still russian.
asciilifeform: it was a response to the nato embargo on selling 6-axis milling machines to the sovblok.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is it expensive to do ?
asciilifeform: expensive but only in electrical current.
asciilifeform: in materials, pauper-cheap.
mircea_popescu: hehe. "build a nuclear plant you're done"
asciilifeform: no need for exotic cutters or quality slides
asciilifeform: and the hardness of the material being cut doesn't matter at all - so long as it conducts.
decimation: you can achieve good tolerances too
asciilifeform: also scales down. (but no one, afaik, has scaled it.)
mircea_popescu: can you make a tungsten carbide shooter ?
asciilifeform: if you're fine with waiting a year for the, e.g., pistol, draw 1 amp instead of 1000.
asciilifeform: tungsten carbide is brittle. but - yes, trivially.
decimation: I wish 'maker' derps would build machining devices rather than plastic molders
asciilifeform: decimation: they do.
mircea_popescu: decimation consumer society loves plastic. it'd shove it in its collective vagina if it could.
asciilifeform: is diametric awake?
asciilifeform: he owns a cnc mill, the size of a tv set.
asciilifeform: (but he's a thinking man; no idea what 'maker derps' do)
decimation: yeah I guess cnc mill counts for that
mircea_popescu: you know one of you two needs to get a real name thing going. it's so fucking difficult for me to keep diametric and decimation apart in my head.
decimation: or cnc lathe
asciilifeform is satisfied with conventional lathe. but milling is another matter
decimation: heh perhaps I should pick an orthogonal basis
asciilifeform: point of the above unfinished tale is, most of the difficulty of machining as a field revolves around the unwanted sequelae of having to cut metal with metal.
asciilifeform: (or with a 'knife' in the general sense)
decimation: you mean dealing with broken bits, shavings, heat etc?
asciilifeform: and annealing.
asciilifeform: it is more or less impossible to anneal (and, opposite, harden) all but the smallest objects in 'jungle conditions'
mircea_popescu: the friction heat'd be the problem
asciilifeform: 'work hardening', yes
asciilifeform: you cut, and the metal in that place is now hardenes.
asciilifeform: *hardened
asciilifeform: have to take the piece out of the machine, anneal (soften) it, re-mount, re-align...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually one should be able to anneal in jungle conditions. put gun on rock, put lens on gun around 7am. by early morning next...
asciilifeform: need even heat and specific 'curve.'
mircea_popescu: but the sun heat is even.
decimation: what about plasma cutter? wouldn't that heat while cutting?
asciilifeform: yes, you can build an oven 'archimedes'-style
mircea_popescu: something like that yea.
asciilifeform: plasma cutter is generally a 2d affair.
mircea_popescu: decimation you familiar with adiabatic as a concept ?
mircea_popescu: "too fast for meaningful heat exchange"
decimation: yeah that makes sense, too little mass in contact
asciilifeform: outside of the russian world, electrolytic machining only caught on in 2d - this is how circuit boards are made. (photographic etching)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc plasma cutting is 2d for a very similar reason : too damned expensive.
mircea_popescu: there is some 3d ablative tech sort-of similar, but mostly limited to medicinal use
decimation: well water-jet cutting is up there too
asciilifeform: heat deforms.
asciilifeform: this is a bitch if you actually care about 3d geometry
midnightmagic: where's rapatan when you need him
TheNewDeal: water-jet ... that's what I do!
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal srsly ?
decimation: waterjet is pretty cool, but it has its own "sequelae", not fit for pauper-tech
TheNewDeal: yah. I just set em up
TheNewDeal: they cut out granite, marble, and man-made stone for the most part. I've heard some people cut steel with em
TheNewDeal: counter-tops that is
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/AR8UVBW
assbot: ('chemistry and life') 1990, vol. 1, pp. 83 - Imgur
asciilifeform: ^ posted for your pleasure
asciilifeform: for those who don't know russian, the photo should suffice.
asciilifeform: how to drill a hole without a drill.
TheNewDeal: they're CNC machines though, so you can do some cool in-lay stuff with em though http://imgur.com/Botjoww I did that with a guy in chicago
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: reprint of a 1973 article in same.
asciilifeform: gears are routinely cut with waterjet, or plasma torch, or electric arc (not to be confused with electrolytic) machine.
asciilifeform: but none of these are pauperizable.
asciilifeform: and they all require skill.
decimation: asciilifeform: why do all of these machines continue to use "g-code"?
asciilifeform: article suggests a useful 'household' application for the demo - poke a hole in a hardened steel knife where the handle fell off, to bolt on new handle.
asciilifeform: try this with an ordinary drill! (without annealing to destroy knife's temper)
asciilifeform: decimation: g-code << it's just simple coordinate motions, with some commands to specify tool changes, splines, etc. what would you have them use?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal pretty cool.
TheNewDeal: pauperizable? a monkey could run this machine
asciilifeform: but could a monkey purchase it.
mircea_popescu: !up Bitcoin1011
TheNewDeal: a monkey with a cool 250k
asciilifeform: lol
TheNewDeal: thats funny money, not bitcoin
TheNewDeal: decimation - yes g-code is used
decimation: asciilifeform: something turing-complete?
TheNewDeal: we draw all the programs out with software called alphacam , our company adds on a toolbar that automatically generates the g-code, then you literally just upload it to the machine and hit go
mircea_popescu: i always was kinda fascinated by gem inlay/cutting.
mircea_popescu: maybe when i retire i make myself a lab.
Bitcoin1011: Hi guys and girls, I'm looking for an android app developer with Bitcoin protocol experience, can anyone direct me?
asciilifeform: turing-complete << this brings up another interesting observation - none of today's machine tools give the computer any feedback, beyond slide end-stop sensors
asciilifeform: (even those are often absent from small machines)
asciilifeform: the computer has no idea what, if anything, was actually cut - and hwo
asciilifeform: *how
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin1011 maybe RagnarDanneskjol when he wakes up.
asciilifeform: an electrolytic mill could, conceivably, know how much metal was actually removed at time 't'
mircea_popescu: but for that matter, so am i, the kids with the apps haven't yet discovered bitcoin pays better.
asciilifeform: (current flow sensor, and, if clever, modulated current, exploit 'skin effect')
decimation: asciilifeform: that's an interesting point
Bitcoin1011: thank you
asciilifeform: i bring up electrolytic machining to explore a point - that tech meant for 'jungle conditions' is a very different field from what is presently dealt with by 'sane' engineers. ☟︎
Bitcoin1011: Is he involved in other mobile apps in the space for my reference?
decimation: for conductive metals you could measure resistance of liquid
asciilifeform: the '3d printer' folks are still, by and large, thinking like 'normal' engineers.
asciilifeform: e.g., their only public suggestion thus far for metalwork is laser sintering - cribbed straight from ordinary industry
TheNewDeal: believing they can accomplish everything with one shitty machine?
asciilifeform: sintering is only used in 'real life', generally, when there is no other choice (ceramics, and metals that really don't behave well in a mill like tungsten)
decimation: to me the obvious use for plastic turd is to make molds for metal pouring
decimation: I think titanium falls in that category sometimes too
asciilifeform: Ti is pyrophoric but machineable if you must.
decimation: but the process of melting and pouring most metals in jungle conditions is not very reliable
asciilifeform: chairman mao's backyard furnaces, yes.
asciilifeform: 'homo redditicus' will not be casting, machining, water-jetting, or lasering cannon.
asciilifeform: but he might etch them.
asciilifeform: (now that we helpfully pointed out how.)
decimation: re: laser sintering: it seems to me that it is likely that you are going to leave "air bubbles" in the resulting metal, since you are melting piecemeal
asciilifeform: not merely likely, but certain.
asciilifeform: but the crystal structure disruption is the bigger deal there.
decimation: you are making "metal stew" instead of smooth puree
asciilifeform: correct.
decimation: http://www.materialsviews.com/making-titanium-cheaper-hydrogen-sintering/ "To achieve high density and low oxygen titanium powder is typically sintered in high vacuum."
assbot: Making Titanium Cheaper: Hydrogen Sintering
decimation: thus negating the low cost benefit
TheNewDeal: what the hell do you all mean jungle conditions?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: resources available to an average person of modest means and lukewarm enthusiasm
TheNewDeal: ahhh
TheNewDeal: I could get you a waterjet... but it may just be a super-soaker with a paint job
decimation: even if you had a free high-quality waterjet, one would have program, get water+abrasive, monitor cut closely, maintain jet machine
decimation: none of which are going to be cheap or simple
decimation: http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/08/12/tech-visionary-george-gilder-bitcoin-is << not the most articulate, but mildly interesting
assbot: Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - Reason.com
decimation: it's obvious that there's a segment of silicon valley circus that sees bitcoin as a way to exit from usg
TheNewDeal: I just don't get why they think it's all about some party
TheNewDeal: It's not libertarian - anybody can use it
decimation: TheNewDeal: libertarians are going to claim whatever success they think they are aligned with, for facebook likes.
TheNewDeal: ^laughs
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/AR8UVBW
assbot: ('chemistry and life') 1990, vol. 1, pp. 83 - Imgur
asciilifeform: ^ now with english translation!
decimation: my uncle was a research chemist (retired) at a large chemical firm in rural us. he was always complaining about the low quality of "chemists" who graduate from us schools
asciilifeform: decimation: aside from the unremarkable decay across the board of all things u.s., there is a specific phenomenon at work on chemists. in most u.s. schools, they do not actually teach chemistry. instead, they carry out an eleborate 'hazing ritual' for would-be med school applicants.
asciilifeform: the students are asked to simply memorize the book of, e.g, organic reactions.
asciilifeform: with little-to-none attention to principles
asciilifeform did a 'second tour of duty' in undergrad ochem, as adult. and saw this alive.
decimation: this is because of the relative high status of a doctor compared to a chemist actually working in a big chemical corporation
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asciilifeform: decimation: they could have, in principle, decreed two sets of chemistry courses, one for med-muppetry, one for would-be chemists. but this did not happen.
asciilifeform: * 'second tour of duty' in undergrad --- ochem << missing punctuation matters
decimation: it is interesting how the us status hierarchy (bureaucrats on top, producers of things on bottom) has all kinds of distorting effects -- all of which is funded by the distortion of bezzle money
asciilifeform: when and where did 'producers' inhabit anywhere but the 'bottom' ?
asciilifeform: big chemical corporation:
asciilifeform: ;;google "call in the lab nigger"
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asciilifeform: fail
asciilifeform: http://www.science-bbs.com/46-chem/9132b93eb4930bc0.htm
assbot: chem, Contracting Chemist - legal issues
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decimation: good point. http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/how-the-other-half-works-an-adventure-in-the-low-status-of-software-engineers/
assbot: How the Other Half Works: an Adventure in the Low Status of Software Engineers | Michael O. Church
decimation: managing stuff is always going to be lower status than managing humans, for obvious reasons
asciilifeform: decimation: trivially true by mere definition.
decimation: nevertheless, as mircea_popescu points out, business is about growth, and growth is about knowing how to manage stuff
asciilifeform: required reading:
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/codemonkey.pdf
decimation: lol. apparently some monkeys recognize the usefulness of the code monkey
TheNewDeal: Quote from Tech Visionary George Glider "satoshi's worth a million bucks!"
peterl: ping fluffypony
asciilifeform: decimation: usefulness - and malleability.
TheNewDeal: actually he may have said billion
asciilifeform: (summary of paper: monkey is taught to solve a puzzle which unlocks a dispenser of tasty food. is placed in a cage of 'uneducated' monkeys. is then reliably beaten into dispensing the food for the 'bosses.')
decimation: this is roughly the deal most "managers of stuff" find themselves in: we will pretend you are a normal human as long as you give us stuff
asciilifeform: incidentally, for anyone who actually wants to try electrochemical machining, here is how NOT to do it:
asciilifeform: http://reprap.org/wiki/Electrochemical_Machining
assbot: Electrochemical Machining - RepRapWiki
asciilifeform: these unfortunates, who, one can surmise, don't know russian, neglected the detail that one must pump the electrolyte.
asciilifeform: the moving 'cutter' must be a nozzle where only a small area of liquid contacts the place to be cut.
asciilifeform: on account of your electrolyte being, by definition, conductive - you can pump it electrohydrodynamically.
asciilifeform: the funny thing is - they appear to understand exactly why the naive approach results in a putrid mess instead of the desired cut.
asciilifeform: but never made the obvious conclusion.
TheNewDeal: surprised by everyone's knowledge or machining/etc in here.
TheNewDeal: I have only read the first few lines, but what's this one on http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/ ?
assbot: The Most Serene Republic, and its laws. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: TheNewDeal: you mean the Shakespeare play?
TheNewDeal: it's just a trilema article written like shakespeare, no?
decimation: no I'm pretty sure it's a direct quote from the merchant of venice
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/OBujdtC
assbot: ECM for the thick - Imgur
asciilifeform: ^ for the thick
asciilifeform: if clever, emplace a magnetic field of the appropriate geometry around the fluid intake/return channels, so it is propelled entirely electrically. if even more clever, emplace a system in the reservoir to re-separate the metal from the electrolyte.
decimation: asciilifeform: to be clear, you want to restrict the contact area of the "working liquid" to keep from ruining the whole sample, right?
asciilifeform: corret.
asciilifeform: c
asciilifeform: alternatively, use a clever electrolyte that is only an electrolyte where illuminated by a laser.
decimation: so I was going to ask about photo-etching
asciilifeform: photo-etching is century-old SOP.
asciilifeform: but strictly 2d.
TheNewDeal: sop?
asciilifeform: standard op. proc.
TheNewDeal: that's what I was thinking...
asciilifeform: every circuit board you own was created that way.
TheNewDeal: I've worked in manufacturing envirorments for a few years now, was quite familiar with that acronym but didn't think you were using it for some reason
asciilifeform: (unless you're a weirdo with a cnc mill and a very fine bit)
decimation: well, and silicon die too, more or less
asciilifeform: aye.
decimation: it is odd that the process you are proposing is very similar to existing precision volume manufacturing yet has no "buy-in" from industry
asciilifeform: because it has piss-poor ROI in ordinary industry (unless you're the ussr)
asciilifeform: but for desktop machining - perfect. so long as you aren't in a hurry.
asciilifeform: prominently missing from the napkin sketch is a number of necessaries (means for cooling the electrolyte, scrubbing metal out of it, positioning of the head, etc)
asciilifeform: but should be clear to the alert reader that such things cannot be overlooked.
asciilifeform: you must also vent (or burn) the H and the O
asciilifeform: don't do it in your living room.
asciilifeform: 'this has been a production of Orcish Science for the Human Experimentalist (TM). Hope you enjoyed the show.'
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: 'check out our other installments, such as Balanced Trinary Computing and Electrically Induced REM Sleep.'
asciilifeform: 'all source code in REFAL, available on magnetized wire.'
decimation: REFAL?
asciilifeform: !s refal
assbot: 2 results for 'refal' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=refal
asciilifeform: think 'lisp-like forth' or 'forth-like lisp' but that doesn't really cover it.
decimation: heh. when I was young I taught myself programming with "user RPN" on HP calculator
decimation: "user RPL" that is
decimation: which in retrospect is basically lisp I guess
asciilifeform was sometimes allowed to borrow one of these: http://rk86.com/frolov/mk61-5.jpg
decimation: heh was that an hp knockoff?
asciilifeform: not exactly
asciilifeform: it was its own animal.
asciilifeform: even had microcode bugs that were 'useful'
decimation: original hp48 looked like it was styled in east germany: http://www.thimet.de/CalcCollection/Calculators/HP-48GX/HP-48GPlus-M.JPG I loved the clicky "tic-tac" keyboard
asciilifeform: when you borked it, it would display this:
asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%95%D0%93%D0%93%D0%9E%D0%93
assbot: Lurkmore
asciilifeform: and we always wondered what an 'EGGOG' was.
decimation: lol
TheNewDeal: something really bad obviously
TheNewDeal: similar to eggnog
decimation: asciilifeform: have you studied Greek, since Cyril gave you the same typography?
asciilifeform: not other than superficially.
asciilifeform: for some reason folks who lived in latinate script all their life are obsessed with typography
asciilifeform: as if it were ever the 'hard part'
decimation: heh yeah it's pretty easy to memorize another alphabet, it's much harder to remember grammar & vocabulary
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asciilifeform: poor englishfolk don't even have character encoding in-jokes - e.g. http://lurkmore.to/%D0%91%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%9F%D0%9D%D0%AF
assbot: Lurkmore
asciilifeform: (bad encoding settings often result in hilariously-pronounceable garbage, some of which entered circulation as euphemism and otherwise)
decimation: «оепейкчвх акъ йндхпнбйс!»
decimation: unfortunately the encoding jokes don't translate on google
kakobrekla: satisfying log. keep up the good work.
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decimation: lol I didn't realize that there was a controversy about how to spell "Ukraine" in Cyrillic http://lurkmore.to/В/на
assbot: / Lurkmore
asciilifeform prefers viktor pelevin's уркаина - 'urkaine', which metamorphosizes over 1000 years (in one of his tales) to 'urkland' and then 'orcland.' ☟︎
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/cHWju2Y << re: orcs.
assbot: Pigsty. - Imgur
decimation: this lurkomore is a hilarious combination of wikipedia, pravda, and 4chan
asciilifeform: more like 'encyclopaedia dramatica' but more entertaining.
mircea_popescu: ahh that was nice.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Bitcoin1011: Is he involved in other mobile apps in the space for my reference? << no, he's the resident talent scout.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: decimation: to me the obvious use for plastic turd is to make molds for metal pouring << metal pouring is a very iffy proposition tho.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - Reason.com << what is this, "i've caught up to 2011 let me tell you what i have now discovered" ?
decimation: yeah professionals are constantly monitoring temperature, chemical tests, adding various trace elements
mircea_popescu: it's starting to amze me, the natural cargo-cult-ish inclination of most english space dwellers. it's a sort of, 1. learn french ; 2. read some fragments of rousseau at local library, by themselves ; 3. start blog to impart your discovery that you call "the social deal" to the world.
decimation: mircea_popescu: indeed, these folks are slow on the uptake, but it is amusing to see reflections on the edge of 'real media'
mircea_popescu: instead of the more normal 1. learn french ; 2. read some fragments of rousseau at local library ; 3. proceed to read the 200 years' worth of discussion on rousseau
mircea_popescu: the rough equivalent would be, peasant goes to plow field, finds roman coin trove, mounts them in his nose, goes about town like he's invented african tribalism.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: I just don't get why they think it's all about some party << because if it's about something in their system then that validates the system in question.
mircea_popescu: "look how right we are, and how relevant to the future and general affairs as a going concern : even this bitcoin thing is about something we discuss."
mircea_popescu: for this same reason a newtonian physics professor would rather entertain phlogiston than string theory.
decimation: you have to understand, the "Libertarian party" in the US is a perennial loser, they are desperate to attach to anything that smells of success.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the actual loser in the us, ie, the actual us, is desperate to attach the current representation of their eventual doom to something that's a perennial loser.
mircea_popescu: which is why i was talking about "in ron paul terms" yest.
mircea_popescu: makes one feel better about onesefl if can at least claim bitcoin is like you know, "that thing that's bee going on forever at the outskirts".
mircea_popescu: "the geese are not roused by the germans, but by the crows outside the gate".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/AR8UVBW << quoted for the battery. now that EXACT battery, so exact that a vague outline thereof is the most that's needed and the most a person of taste and discrimination would ever draw, for fear of being you know, boringingly fastidious, is a 4.5 volt 3 cell mangan oxide battery that was the most important element of my childhood.
assbot: ('chemistry and life') 1990, vol. 1, pp. 83 - Imgur
mircea_popescu: everything important depended on it
mircea_popescu: http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh110/Ovidanie/Baterie45VElba1.jpg
mircea_popescu: best gift ever, too.
mircea_popescu: you could taste how full it was, also.
mircea_popescu: just strong enough to rig it to girl's bits productively, all sorts of surprising uses.
mircea_popescu: http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh110/Ovidanie/Album%20nou/BaterieElba.jpg << bottom shot. paper casing.
decimation: one rarely encounters such batteries in the us
mircea_popescu: this was more of a 60s 70s and somewhat 80s thing.
mircea_popescu: the 9 volt cell things took over eventually.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: with little-to-none attention to principles << the reason would be that chemistry is not a science. physics is the science. if the kids wanted the principles they'd go for physics. if they didn't that means they don't wish to understand the thing, but merely you know... be engineers :D
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decimation: most "Libertarians" are pretty much leftists with a slight preference for more "personal freedom" (the kind without personal responsibility)
mircea_popescu: the problem with letting people self identify instead of having third parties identify them is that people will mis-selfidentify.
mircea_popescu: part of why the wot is so fucking useful. "you're not a ceo until mp says you're a ceo" has, along with its excellent oppressive potential, some incredible value in practice.
mircea_popescu: " you will need to swap the electrolyte a few times, and clean the cavity (at least with a nail) from the products of electrolysis." from the imgur in question. this is not strictly true : in some cases the electrolyte products are protective, in some cases however they are not. depends a lot what we're drilling. (this is roughly why rust is a problem for iron but not aluminum say.)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: it's just a trilema article written like shakespeare, no? << it's the merchant of venice ye lout! :D
mircea_popescu: !up bgupta
mircea_popescu: !up bgupta_
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but for desktop machining - perfect. so long as you aren't in a hurry. << well no, see, electricity is still sold by the watt. whether you're in a hurry or not, you still need same wattage, so still are beholden to the same (rather high) cost. so i suppose "so long as you're making something small enough for your fun doing it to be worth the 0.001 cent to 1/4 dollar price transition"
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decimation: asciilifeform: http://ebayitem.com/301199083821 << cheap GPS module that has variable pulse output up to 20 MHz, good for lab signal source
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and we always wondered what an 'EGGOG' was. << ahaha that's so cute.
mircea_popescu: in this spirit : my old z80 clone had an english "codeword" instruction set printed out right on the kbd, as was fashionable at the time.
mircea_popescu: the word merge was there, which in romanian means "it works" (technically, "it goes") and is often a colloquialism "-merge ? -merge, merge" roughly works to "how goes it ? " "okay I guess".
mircea_popescu: so yeah, i used to include 10. Merge Merge instructions in basic programs.
decimation: I always wondered about non-English-speaking folk who had to learn "Englishisms" to program computers when I was younger
decimation: I guess the default situation is that if you can program a computer, you can learn english too
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: satisfying log. keep up the good work. << i guess we're all labrats in kako's little lab experiment.
mircea_popescu: AND HES EXPLOITING US
mircea_popescu: decimation it's a curse hiding a blessing : in learning english as the pronounceable pigdin of computer symbols, one learns to disrespect the social conventions the language carries otherwise.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only correct way to learn english, if you ask me.
decimation: sounds legit
mircea_popescu: then one readily progresses, about the age of 16 or so, to realise that necessarily the same is true of their own naitve language
mircea_popescu: at which point sudden immunity to say salesmen develops.
mircea_popescu: "just because you say goto 10 don't expect me to care, nitwit"
mircea_popescu: suddenly the coder kid discovers he can be a much better lawyer than most judges specifically because he can read a cleaner version of the text than people who learned it on the "linguistics" path.
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
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ThickAsThieves: sorry guys
mircea_popescu: maybe not as clean ultimately but certainly cleaner per unit effort.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how goes ?
ThickAsThieves: awesome
ThickAsThieves: been shorting the shit outta btc
mircea_popescu: lol. making out like a bandit ?
ThickAsThieves: embarrasingly
mircea_popescu: good for you.
mircea_popescu: don't get caught outdoors now.
ThickAsThieves: inded
decimation: Mr. Yarvin experienced something similiar w.r.t. American culture: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-i-stopped-believing-in-democracy.html "For example, the first thing I remember from my first year in Maryland was something called a "pep rally." For those of you who did not attend an American public high school, a "pep rally" is basically a straight ripoff of what Albert Speer did at Nuremberg, except that (a)
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: How I stopped believing in democracy
ThickAsThieves: indeed
decimation: it is indoors, (b) there is not quite as much fire, and (c) there is less saluting, more screaming, and about the same amount of chanting."
mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform here's one for you : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aerj4qXPHJc
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mircea_popescu: planeta moldova being pretty much the only claim to cultural fame/intellectual achievement of the imaginary country of "moldavia".
mircea_popescu: the interesting thing with those people however is that they speak and old, and for this reason arguably more powerful version of romanian (still with the very romanian "all other languages are just romanian badly pronounced") and they're all fluent in russian. especially the huy-russian part of russian.
mircea_popescu: the result being a scary fucking combo of psychotic expressivity (they also drink a lot, ukrainian style).
mircea_popescu: decimation and less tits. the few (like,4 or so) actual participants at the things i ever talk too, all 4 mostly went there for the braless wonders in attendance. it was apparently THE place to meet chicks.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, http://static.entertainmentwise.com/gallery/BRITNEY2_BRALESS_WONDER.jpg
decimation: yeah American high school is weird that way, pretty much a mechanism for ascii's monkeys to identify the "useful" monkeys and begin the beatings
decimation: Mr. Yarvin goes on: "If you are an American raising kids abroad and you want to reintroduce them to your country, I highly recommend this sort of shock-and-awe approach. Having to deal with an American high school was not pleasant, but it gave me a certain respect for America: it exists. Once you go to college, you are no longer in the real America. You are in a fortified outpost of future America, which has been planted in the real
decimation: America to enlighten and assimilate it."
decimation: That seems pretty much true in my experience
mircea_popescu: you know it's bizarre, because it didn't work that way in romania of yore. we had a pretty sweet tacit agreement where the slower girls could copy for exams. generally there was a boy-genius in charge for any subject (chemistry was HARD and a chick did it, but otherwise was boys) and the guy in charge usually prepared a "for the class" version of the test (something that gave good marks but was a) comprehensible for th
mircea_popescu: e common man - or woman - so they'd not be embarassed if teacher asked followups and b) was credibly something they could come up with while still correct above a C lvl)
mircea_popescu: this resulted in a very docile and obedient population. they, for instance, always took notes. we never did.
decimation: generally in the us none of the kids in "regular class" give a shit about grades, learning, etc, which creates a different social dynamic
mircea_popescu: at the time in question, you literally could not go on a date if you sucked in school.
decimation: because no one was going to beat them if they failed basic pre-algebra
ben_vulpes: i learned at an early age the correlation between grades and what one learned
mircea_popescu: i mean you could be cool other ways, but an inability to ace something meant you, in so many words, sucked.
mircea_popescu: this attitude was principally what distinguished the privileged hs from the prole "vocational" w/e.
mircea_popescu: so i guess in a sense the observed difference readily reduces to "well, the us is a true popular democracy : they have no privileged highschool, everyone goes to the prole vocational crapolade"
ben_vulpes: "no privileged highschool"
ben_vulpes: bahahahaha
decimation: yeah, if you had brains generally better schools made provision for you to escape to the 'nerd class'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mind, privilege is a very specific thing.
decimation: but the context is set by prole thinking
mircea_popescu: it is when everyone else is taught to get out of your way because you are better than them.
ben_vulpes: i am indeed coming in on the tail of this one - to what specifically do you refer?
ben_vulpes: that's why i sniped the best public school girls throughout hs
mircea_popescu: ah but outside of personal experience, i'm discussiong a system.
mircea_popescu: obviously some kids will do fine in any conceivable arrangement.
ben_vulpes: storytime!
mircea_popescu: this is, in so many words, the whole hope of humanity.
ben_vulpes: actually i'll not interrupt.
mircea_popescu: im done :)
mircea_popescu: well not done with the logs and pinging ascii, but with this skein
ben_vulpes: well in that case
ben_vulpes: i attended a particular hs (OES, for the lurkers), and rode the bus home instead of driving as I got more reading time out of the experience.
ben_vulpes: OES being in deep southwest and my home being in the near SE (bezzlar-ployees having to live near the mega fabs and my father not being one, we lived in the cool part of town: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=218), i had much time to use for reading.
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mircea_popescu: http://thechive.com/2012/10/18/where-were-going-you-wont-need-bras-55-photos/ tits, meanwhile. for the... lurkers.
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cazalla: ATO released their bitcoin guidance today https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Gen/Tax-treatment-of-crypto-currencies-in-Australia---specifically-bitcoin/
assbot: Tax treatment of crypto-currencies in Australia - specifically bitcoin | Australian Taxation Office
ben_vulpes: at some point during sophomore year i realized that my bus passed a local public hs, so i stopped in at the starbucks outside of campus, timing my arrival to be some days thirty minutes before class got out and some days thirty minutes after class got out (i had no rationale at the time, but it was a good call)
ben_vulpes: this made me many "friends" outside of school, and for a kid going to a school whose entire HS complement numberd 190, this mattered.
mircea_popescu: hs got campuses nao ? splurge.
ben_vulpes: i did
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ben_vulpes: mpoe still trading in the sevens
decimation: mircea_popescu: "traditional" US high school has massive facility mostly serving school athletics
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes almost looks like it may reach 6!
mircea_popescu: but anyway, so what's the punchline ?
ben_vulpes: so i'm retarded right?
mircea_popescu: THAT's the punchline ?
ben_vulpes: this implies to me that mpoe holders are dumping to move their coins to usd like typical momentum traders
ben_vulpes: winklevoss etf comes online, btc legs down to 380 briefly, mpoe trades at what - six again?
mircea_popescu: nfi.
decimation: ben_vulpes: that's when you hit the buy button right?
ThickAsThieves: building bubbles ain't easy!
ben_vulpes: whither the mpex smarts? or is everything wackily correlated and when btc rockets to 800 come march o'clock does doge briefly cross 50 satoshi again?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so what if ben_vulpes has it his way and by say 2050 most people that are people actually live in one ? << uh pardon?
mircea_popescu: submarines.
ben_vulpes: just because it makes sense to mine high-density rare earths from the seafloor doesn't mean any significant number of meatwads are going to be living subsurface.
mircea_popescu: and in this you are wrong.
mircea_popescu: why do you think california even exists ?
ben_vulpes: plate tectonics?
ThickAsThieves: i'd live subsurface, if it were cooler
decimation: the thing that sucks about submarines is that when you are on the surface they are unstable
ben_vulpes: decimation: aren't they most stable subsurface though?
decimation: so you get a terrible ride unless you can be underwater for a long time
decimation: right underwater the ride is great, but you need energy source that doesn't depend on breathing air
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> well, lettuce see. the submarine is submerged. it does not care about "weather" in either fluid sense. with the new fleshlights and tumblr pr0nz... i defy you to find a bunch of 20somethings whose current life would be differen if they were subbed. < ah
mircea_popescu: decimation let's put it this way : long before 2050 it will be feasible to build a submersible that never surfaces, can host one redditard and weighs under 1k tons.
mircea_popescu: that's a cost of about 100k in scrap metal. ie, affordable.
mircea_popescu: the tech exists today, integrally.
decimation: yeah such a thing is probably near the realm of possibility, I agree
mircea_popescu: you don't need "air", you need oxygen. oxygen is in water, and not expensive to get out.
mircea_popescu: burning the resulting hydrogen in your own atmosphere a) purifies the air and b) makes water.
mircea_popescu: drinkable water i mean.
decimation: you need an energy source to break the water bonds
mircea_popescu: energy is not actually expensive, both nuclear and geothermal generators can conveniently live submerged.
mircea_popescu: and fully automated at that.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, global warming would be a boon for humanity, if it weren't a wholly concocted piece of nonsense.
ben_vulpes: what is this chive thing
decimation: as ascii's quote of Mr. Yarvin points out, one would then make themselves a slave to Neptune, who isn't a forgiving master
mircea_popescu: ppl trying to be cool.
mircea_popescu: decimation zephyr is better ?
decimation: good point. or worse, those who worship statues of themselves
mircea_popescu: living makes one live, this much is agreed. merely pleading to ignorance isn't much contribution (and his tendency to plead to nonsense is why i dislike curtis)
mircea_popescu: specifically : just because you're used to zephyr's inconveniences to the point you don't notice them anymore
mircea_popescu: whereas the neptune inconveniences appear uncommon and thus remarkable,
mircea_popescu: doesn't say anything useful. to fish water is as unremarkable as air to you.
mircea_popescu: but there's no underwater tornadoes.
decimation: nor do hurricanes, earthquakes, etc make much difference to the fish
mircea_popescu: no living thing underwater was ever pierced by a tootphick turned into a pike by "unseasonable" winds.
mircea_popescu: there's no ocean hail.
mircea_popescu: no thing can kill you by fallling on your head under water.
mircea_popescu: i nearly got done in in romania by a 5 sq inch, 100 gram piece of tile that fell a foot in front of me, from ten or so floors up.
decimation: one thing I would certainly grant: it would be far easier for humanity to escape to the ocean floor than to the harshness of space
mircea_popescu: unforgiving master indeed.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: now grant one more thing : there's going to be no space until long after the ocean floor is alma mater. ☟︎
decimation: agreed.
mircea_popescu: so there we go.
mircea_popescu: curtis yarvin a footnote of meaninglessness in a larger discussion, as every fucking time.
decimation: yeah, he has a tendency to "drive-by" interesting points without actually making a point
mircea_popescu: that much doesn't even annoy me, my problem is that he without exception ends up pleading to ignorance, to numbers, to baculum, to some fallacy.
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait` << from a conversation with a client earlier today: "pot makes you stupid! if my son keeps smoking, i'm going to cut him off."
mircea_popescu: it's like reading curtis bouvard, guy read alot but never had any sort of help to become a systematic thinker.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i can see that.
ben_vulpes: kid's probably just retarded to begin with.
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mircea_popescu: holy shit! Musi-Puxi!
mircea_popescu: dude this is too good.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could taste how full it was << YES that battery.
musi-puxi: o hai stan.
asciilifeform: 'плоская батарейка' (flat batt)
asciilifeform: saw it open, 3 1.5v cells.
asciilifeform: electricity is still sold by the watt << most humans don't have 1000 amp feeds, hence 'no hurry' observation.
mircea_popescu: now i can say mp stands for musi puxi and nobody will fucking know just how great it is.
asciilifeform: 'priced by the watt' is only approximately true in this sense.
asciilifeform: cheap GPS module that has variable pulse output << no accuracy to speak of for short intervals (signal distortion of atmosphere, etc)
mircea_popescu: aEYaOPEDEK ahahah
decimation: asciilifeform: I think they make a version with TCXO, doubt cheap chinese version has
mircea_popescu: <Ishamael [eager]> you yourself nahryuer
decimation: yeah http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/NEO-7_ProductSummary_%28GPS.G7-HW-11003%29.pdf "neo 7-N" is the version with TCXO
asciilifeform: us is a true popular democracy : they have no privileged highschool << nope
asciilifeform went to one
asciilifeform: (admit by exam. plenty of these here.)
decimation: asciilifeform: generally only in the big cities though
decimation: at least for "public" school
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well then all is well with the world.
mircea_popescu: no true popular democracy exists
mircea_popescu: as predicted by... welll, everyone always.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tnTUsuvjRU << moldavian highschool.
assbot: Planeta Moldova - Cauzalitate - YouTube
decimation: asciilifeform: the datasheet artfully declines to provide any spec for timing accuracy - long or short term
asciilifeform: decimation: no need for data sheet here. there's a reason people build atomic clocks (plural) instead of having just one built and listening to it via radio.
decimation: yeah, but if you are going to build a module purporting to provide timing it would be nice to provide typical allan variance at various intervals, etc
asciilifeform: 'Вопрос читал?' << 'have you read the question?' =~ 'бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК?' << bnopnya grunted in?
mircea_popescu: decimation: mircea_popescu: minor nitpick - I don't think USG employees get dental actually << generally no, but afaik nsa folk do.
asciilifeform: dental << at any good 'rupture farms' like mine, they have dental
mircea_popescu: so there.
asciilifeform: ;;google rupture farms
gribble: RuptureFarms 1029 - Oddworld Wiki - Wikia: <http://oddworld.wikia.com/wiki/RuptureFarms_1029>; Abe's Oddysee - This Is Rupture Farms (Intro FMV) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSNylchzdCg>; Oddworld Abe's Oddysee Rupture Farms Intro PS1 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRoyc2LKRg>
mircea_popescu: As the protests in Ferguson, Missouri over police fatally shooting 19-year-old Mike Brown have raged through the past several nights, more than a few people have noticed how relatively quiet Facebook news feeds have been on the matter. While #Ferguson is a trending hashtag, Zeynep Tufekci pointed out at Medium that news about the violence was, as best, slow to percolate through her own feed, despite people posting libe
mircea_popescu: rally about it.
cazalla: ;;seen kyrio
gribble: I have not seen kyrio.
mircea_popescu: now let's wonder why exactly is the usg dept of facebook able to spend 20bn on some random purchase of a valueless firm
cazalla: anyone know kyrio (left me -10) because of something to do with danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust kyrio
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kyrio!~suck@awesome.and.cute.little.tiny.babyturtlesarecool.com. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kyrio: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=kyrio | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kyrio | Rated since: Mon Feb 3 23:38:33 2014
mircea_popescu: Scammed my buddy...**BUYER/SELLER BEWARE**
mircea_popescu: apparently some scammor.
asciilifeform as 9 y.o. boy, tried in vain to buy a flat battery in usa, 'what is this pisshole'
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kyrio -3 does not understand how the wot works or what it's for.
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mircea_popescu: should more or less fix the problem.
RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of - mp - Thanks for the referral; what more could a guy ask? think I'm gonna be a dork like pete & throw that up on my website.
RagnarDanneskjol: I actually have a history with those guys and would be derelict in my b-a duties if I didn't raise a cautionary flag… THey hired one of my best devs to adapt a python arb model… Payment commitments to said dev got a little squirrely. Also, I volunteered my own time to fix their website, redid all the html, css, wrote most of their content and they kind of blew it off without even a
RagnarDanneskjol: thank you.
mircea_popescu: you got a website ?
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea
mircea_popescu: and which guys are these.
RagnarDanneskjol: the ones who asked about dev support earlier today
RagnarDanneskjol: They reestablished contact today once they put Ragnar & me together, want to retain me again, sent a job order. So, I am withholding final judgement pending a come-to-jesus conversation we're scheduled to have tomorrow so I can get to the bottom of what transpired.
asciilifeform: why rust is a problem for iron but not aluminum say << rust is actually electrochemical phenonemon. so not a problem for this experiment (after - is different question)
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vDXTKzYz58
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mircea_popescu: now you do it.
mircea_popescu: (or make gf do it :D)
RagnarDanneskjol: ha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i realised as i was typing that the connection is actually not as close as i'd have liked.
mircea_popescu: then i wondered how to fix, and then i realised that well... no way really, best wait to be taken to task for my business insider treatment of science.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FS1bxaGTg << this is the reason we like ukraina btw.
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RagnarDanneskjol: wow
asciilifeform: submarine rough ride << float a tethered photovoltaic array. problem solved.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol and you should see twelve year olds.
mircea_popescu: no butt, no heavy thigs, can walk on that thing.
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asciilifeform: his tendency to plead to nonsense is why i dislike curtis << 'wannabee' polymaths are doomed to 'plead nonsense'
RagnarDanneskjol: I am blind mostly, so
asciilifeform: no living thing underwater was ever pierced by a tootphick << ever see a fish explode?
mircea_popescu: (something liek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxN_13eGPg0 )
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only if brought up.
asciilifeform: aye
asciilifeform: the equivalent of us falling down.
mircea_popescu: notrly.
mircea_popescu: there's no magical gravity of water surface.,
asciilifeform: no - but there's buoyancy.
mircea_popescu: not to the degree.
mircea_popescu: no fish got ever splatted by distance sqaured.
asciilifeform: right.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2014#800899 << that's a particularly juicy one decimation ☝︎
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mircea_popescu: think of it. could not find decent rng to make keys
mircea_popescu: for months, this.
mircea_popescu: i mean, i kept mpex online for a few days more than the consensus'd have expectd or called reasonable on occasion.
mircea_popescu: there's some difference here.
asciilifeform: could not find decent rng to make keys << different story here.
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mircea_popescu: hm ?
asciilifeform: it is generally known that in nsa-lande, only nsa is permitted to generate keys
asciilifeform: they are flown, by courier, to the field.
asciilifeform: in briefcases.
asciilifeform: with signatures, forms in triplicate.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: because? << specify what are you trying to accomplish. impossible to explain what's wrong with any given methodology to resolve an undefined problem.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
asciilifeform: this was the inspiration for my 'country of which nothing is known but the name' piece.
mircea_popescu: this is sane.
mircea_popescu: but this was not the problem.
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asciilifeform: clearly they had a small problem assembling the priests, finding a suitable goat (or virgin - or both) to sacrifice on schedule, etc.
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform is still waiting for the first leak from the u.s. dept. of wherever-the-stoolie-reports-from-btc-exchanges go. << there was recently a dump of everyone-on-coinbase, for instance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem wasn't they couldn
mircea_popescu: t find a briefcase, or paper for forms, or a currier or gas for the plane.
mircea_popescu: the problem was they couldn't ok the keys.
asciilifeform: why the briefcase didn't parachute down on time, is not told in the tale
asciilifeform wasn't there
mircea_popescu: master in charge of saying "this key is ok to be used in production" refused to say so.
asciilifeform: or was on a bender
mircea_popescu: bureaucrats looked at cost to fix problem vs try and get rid of him, miscalculated. tried the latter.
mircea_popescu: the effort failed.
mircea_popescu: this pissed master off.
mircea_popescu: cue successive list of idiotic, bureaucratic "attempts" to "in good faith" "make progress towards fixing going forward"
mircea_popescu: cue string of obscenities.
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: once one actually promotes cold callers and phone marketeers to govt positions, there are bound to be problems.
asciilifeform: he expects no impact to the satellite’s planned design life of 14 years.... he says. “We put enough fuel onboard to pretty much fire those thrusters continuously. << 'folks who won't do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense' (j. mccarthy)
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: who, precisely, he expects to fool ?
mircea_popescu: well... people who don't do arithmetic ?
asciilifeform: student exercise: assume xenon, etc. fuel for ion engine, stored at 300 atm. say, 1g/sec expenditure. calculate size of tank that holds 14 yrs. worth of thrust.
mircea_popescu: ;;google xenon atomic mass
gribble: Chemical Elements.com - Xenon (Xe): <http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/xe.html>; Xenon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon>; #54 - Xenon - Xe: <http://www.hobart.k12.in.us/ksms/PeriodicTable/xenon.htm>
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3600 * 24 * 365 * 14 / 1000 / 54 / 300
gribble: 27.2533333333
mircea_popescu: 27 1/4 cubic meters ?
asciilifeform: now, what was the volume of the machine.
RagnarDanneskjol: isnt the thrust energy needed to calculate this?
mircea_popescu: well definitely no satelite the size of the washington monument was ever put in space.
asciilifeform: qed.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol no cause he gave me 1g/s
RagnarDanneskjol: oh duh
asciilifeform: ^ a piddling minimum
asciilifeform: afaik the world record holder was the american 'keyhole' series of machine - size of a bus.
mircea_popescu: for shits and giggles :
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 57.38 * 6 * 3.13
gribble: 1077.5964
mircea_popescu: that's a german uboat. so like... a satellite about halfway between a bycicle and a nazi uboat.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was this put in orbit with the use of the russian's rockets or arianne ?
asciilifeform: titan
mircea_popescu: the 3b did what, 3tons ?
asciilifeform: ~20
asciilifeform: (if i recall)
mircea_popescu: well if the satellite was nothing but a pressurized xenon container, it may have somehow squeezed in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3b - 3 tons (pediwikia) - aha.
mircea_popescu: maybe general whatshisname speaks the truth
asciilifeform: 4 - 20 tons.
mircea_popescu: wait. i see here leo 20 tons.
mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me someone put a 27 cubic meter thing in low earth orbit ?
mircea_popescu: what is it, a parade float ?
asciilifeform: 'keyhole' is more famous as 'hubble telescope' (that one got turned upside-down.)
mircea_popescu: what was hubble, like 11tons ?
asciilifeform: approx.
asciilifeform: (as per public specs)
mircea_popescu: Vexual: roundup resistant ganja? i think someones trolling << think more, roundup resistant coke.
mircea_popescu: the whole of the production control stragety in columbia is to helispray
mircea_popescu: if that goes away, the current usg-friendly columbia govt goes away.
asciilifeform: so they'll spray 'agent orange' - or napalm
mircea_popescu: yeah. right.,
mircea_popescu: because if you give iraquis a ton of m16s they're not going to raid your embassy with them
mircea_popescu: so you have to evacuate the whole shebang like crazed rabbits, and do a shit job of cleanup in the process
mircea_popescu: so people all over the intel community can laugh at you for yet another week, for yet another reason.
mircea_popescu: totally great idea, give columbia napalm.
asciilifeform: 'give' as in drop.
mircea_popescu: what, from the 27 cubic meter satellitarian tanks ?
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: shit's heavy mate.
asciilifeform: presumably from aeroplane
mircea_popescu: flown from where, the faulklands ?
mircea_popescu: cuba ?
asciilifeform: florida?
mircea_popescu: oh, canaveral ?
mircea_popescu: SATELLITE NAPALM!
asciilifeform: muppet platoon knows from where - not me
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: be moar vigilant with teh monies << the problem with that article, as with all "studies" of its ilk, is that it makes the (generally reasonable, now not) herbi mistake, as detailed here : http://trilema.com/2014/no-argument/
assbot: No argument pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: point of the 'roundup' thread being, if genetical engineering were presently 'a thing', there's be cocainatious mildew growing in your neighbour's bathtub, and colombia would be exporting llama stockings
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that kind, the useful kind. merely the current kind, ie, the resistant thing.
asciilifeform: righto
RagnarDanneskjol investigating further
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagine if you could genetically engineer human females
mircea_popescu: not necessarily so they're slut,
mircea_popescu: but so they're infertile and past the age of 16 or so, their breast tissue secretes copious lsd.
mircea_popescu: now that's a woman for a lifetime.
asciilifeform: we're aaalmost there.
mircea_popescu: have her breastfeed the dog, watch it meow.
asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.' ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: my stomach isn't a basketball anymore << poor duff.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.08145503 = 0.5702 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: it was quite painful, and i refused pain meds until the ct scan results came back and the dr said "your appendix is all messed up, we're transfering you to a different hospital, ambulance is en route, take pain meds now" << there is this legendary romanian surgeon who supposedly sutured his own appendix. this may be apocryphal, in any sense i wouldn't try to undergo surgery w/o painkillers, tis nonsense.
asciilifeform tried to dig out the paper re: psychoactives spotted in bartholin's gland secretions, fails to turn up - perhaps too sleepy
asciilifeform: leonid ivanovich rogozov.
mircea_popescu: not surprising.
mircea_popescu: cuntjuice can drive one wild.
asciilifeform: rogozov << autoappendectomy, not cuntjuice
asciilifeform: no idea if a fellow from Ro ever pulled a rogozov - but hard to say why not
mircea_popescu: now im starting to suspect it may just be a case of romanians stealing a good story.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: as the period sort-of matches.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah.
mircea_popescu: Antibiotics were administered directly into the peritoneal cavity << holy shit fucking soviets.
asciilifeform: 'twas this or fellete his makarov, i imagine.
mircea_popescu: actually peritonitis resolves naturally in about 5ish percent of cases.
asciilifeform: auto-appendektomy - like seppuku but double the work.
mircea_popescu: well no. seppuku aims to open the large liver vein. apendectomy, oppositely, to not open it.
asciilifeform: in historic overviews of seppuku, the thing that always caught my eye was the slow progression from honest full-out gut deposition to the late-meiji (and 20th c. - see herr mishima) token slice followed by 'kaishaku' beheading stroke.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/whatever-happened-to-bitcoin-hint-nothing-good-cm381082 (linked earlier) << pure gold. these folks are in 'tilt mode.' <<< let the permanent record reflect why "Julian Close has been a business writer since the first day of the twenty-first century, having written for PRA International and the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping." won't be able to support his fambly la
assbot: Whatever happened to Bitcoin? (Hint: nothing good) - NASDAQ.com
mircea_popescu: ter this decade.
asciilifeform hopes to live to see a spammer physically starve to death
asciilifeform goes off to bed to dream of this dream
mircea_popescu: speaking of spammer : "You can see closing trades for all Julian's long and short positions and track his long term performance via twitter: @JulianClose_MIC ."
mircea_popescu: now try check out that acct. 100 followers, pixelated user pic...
mircea_popescu: we're supposed to not know what astroturf means or something.
mircea_popescu: http://www.fedsmith.com/2014/02/17/replacing-the-general-schedule-some-facts/ << stuff like this, incidentally, is subtly indicative of the usg failure. inasmuch as grand national-socialist schemes such as the gs are collapsing and being replaced, it's quite clear that in its quest to arrive at that "nobody can grow as much as a potato without asking for permission", the national-socialist government is moving away rat
assbot: Replacing The General Schedule: Some Facts : FedSmith.com
mircea_popescu: her than towards the target.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, check out the lone GS-15 under age 24 in 2013.
mircea_popescu: there were 3 gs-14 under 24 in 1998. fifteen years later, two left, the third was promoted.
mircea_popescu: make a guess : is the third the best or the worst of the group of 3 ?
[]bot: Bet created: "BTC >= $2,000 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 468.39, Best ask: 474.85, Bid-ask spread: 6.46000, Last trade: 474.87, 24 hour volume: 15994.19071420, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 493.98, 24 hour vwap: 482.673562406
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 10k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 169
mircea_popescu: wow sticky price huh.
mircea_popescu: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 197414.53 in 1880 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.49
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you never got around to getting that larger rig involved did you
mircea_popescu: %[
mircea_popescu: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.31 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1466.02 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.82 TH/s
mircea_popescu: here's a funny blast from the past :
mircea_popescu: Aug 11 23:50:49 <gribble>Current Blocks: 193432 | Current Difficulty: 2036671.0886933 | Next Difficulty At Block: 193535 | Next Difficulty In: 103 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 40 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2183270.15599682 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.197974583
mircea_popescu: bitcoin difficulty august 2012 was... about hte same as atc difficulty august 2014.
BingoBoingo: lol I was thinking about that when I first rented a rig for ATC, that ~2 or 3 years ago there were times where all of Bitcoin's nethash was less than the rented rig's
BingoBoingo: Back in the days when terrahash was a network "goal" and Petahashes were crazy
mircea_popescu: mhm.
mircea_popescu: i ... remember these days.
BingoBoingo: I remember reading about Bitcoin those days, thinking one of these day's I'll grab a couple graphics cards. I wasn't thinking enough back then.
mircea_popescu: im possibly one of the very few people not regretting not having started mining "earlier"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00070262 = 15.809 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Oh I don't regret my lack of "mining," I regret thinking food as so valuable and not buying in grotesque quantity.
mircea_popescu: lol
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penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/do-you-work-from-your-home-in-some-tropical-paradise-heres-a-breakfast-idea/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 45 @ 0.022 = 0.99 BTC
cazalla: took a moment
cazalla: oh, tits
RagnarDanneskjol: ( . Y . ) :D
BigBitz: Tits are good.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00069971 = 23.3353 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: lol http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/08/20/making-my-eulorian-cake-and-eating-it/
assbot: Making My Eulorian Cake and Eating It in Ossasepia
mircea_popescu: pankkake mebbe add that to the list ?
mircea_popescu: not sure what the policy is there, "blogs by assets ppl" ? or "blogs about btc" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pls to send 1500 atc to 1FUneWXoi6eqC2p1F2rDrEsrApawPa9wCx ty.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: was this the first popular block explorer http://blockexplorer.com/ ? << popular no, but the first yes.
assbot: Home - Bitcoin Block Explorer
BingoBoingo: %tslb
atcbot: 45 minutes and 37 seconds
mircea_popescu: !up ryguy_`
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On its way http://atc.blockr.io/zerotx/info/57d8b8d1bcc5aa0485564c1632e4835272c1b43d7219c565d2786bdeef3aad83
mircea_popescu: ty.
ryguy_`: tyty
mircea_popescu: yw. so who're you ?
diana_coman: thanks mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: You're welcome diana_coman
diana_coman: the posts are just for fun, lol
mircea_popescu: l
mircea_popescu: o right, and bitcoin is for serious.
ryguy_`: man of leisure turned wageslave to build a saas for businesses
diana_coman: ahahaha, true
diana_coman: for serious fun :p
mircea_popescu: only seriously funny once someone loses an eye.
ryguy_`: sneak a look at bitcoin stuffs when im taking a break
mircea_popescu: ryguy_` now that's a transition.
ryguy_`: what do you guys think of this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8200912
assbot: Liberum Consilium: a system design for moderated deliberation [pdf] | Hacker News
mircea_popescu: so you love saas so much, platonically, that you;ll abandon your hyperion-freedom to become a mere mortal for its sake ?
ryguy_`: its like an identity, reputation, proposal (legislation, etc) system
mircea_popescu: can it be not a pdf ?
ryguy_`: yaaaaaa i know
mircea_popescu: also, can it quote stuff like the wot, bitcoin assets and so on ?
ryguy_`: you got some command line tools to deal with pdfs ?
mircea_popescu: i deal with pdfs exactly like i deal with the tim swansons of the world. "who asked you anything and what gives you the impression you have something to answer with."
ryguy_`: yeah i stumbled into it like 4 years ago still trying to shepard it to passive income land
ryguy_`: needless to say i was unaware of btc, just getting my head back on my shoulders concering 2008 crash and what it really meant, etc
ryguy_`: plus the powers that cant maintain their quo are making things real obvious right now
mircea_popescu: helpful isn';t it.
ryguy_`: anyway, yeah i'd rather be in a south american city screwing with btc but i got commitments like whats his face from the shining
mircea_popescu: the irony of the situation is that with enemies like these, btc really doesn't need any friends.
ryguy_`: are you talking about me or the link i pasted
ryguy_`: or a third
mircea_popescu: neither. " the powers that cant maintain their quo"
ryguy_`: ahhhhh yeah haha
ryguy_`: i love how some of the garbage intel agencies have the squid over the globe imagery
mircea_popescu: amusingly, i think this was discussed.
ryguy_`: so i wanted to make a blog called painful squid and highlight all the retarded shit they've been doing
mircea_popescu: !s octopus
assbot: 26 results for 'octopus' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=octopus
ryguy_`: like
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea. especially if you can get some wistleblown material.
ryguy_`: germany resending their request for the gold from the fed
mircea_popescu: like, a "terrible company" clone for usg, especially the intel stuff...
ryguy_`: its kind of a hyped up, superficial situation
ryguy_`: but it definitely falls in line with the saving of face thats being attempted
mircea_popescu: TSA, Terrible Spy Agency blog.
mircea_popescu: let people vent and rage about how much their employer suck
mircea_popescu: how clueless management i
mircea_popescu: how they don't do anything useful and so on
ryguy_`: yeah i'd love to get quality info
ryguy_`: put it up on a tor service or whatnot
mircea_popescu: just use a htmlform pgp drop and a published key.
ryguy_`: string together some openbsd boxes or grsec boxes and give it a go from afar in a 3rd world country
ryguy_`: i dont trust the circlejerk psyops and stuff going on now though
ryguy_`: spys spying on spys spying on spys
mircea_popescu: anyone can send you w/e the shit they feel like. afaik that's how cryptome work
mircea_popescu: s
ryguy_`: cryptome says wikileaks was a intel agency job and assange is in the embassy collecting leaks on behalf of god knows who
mircea_popescu: i think they just randomly publish anything.
ryguy_`: rather let this thing fall to pieces and get in afterwards on the infowar stuff
ryguy_`: yeah
ryguy_`: well just in general, you got these other news papers with their leak drop boxes. im sure plenty of them are run by handled individuals. feel sorry for the unsavvy leaker at the moment
ryguy_`: and snowden too, what a mindfuck. is it just a cia hit on the nsa for the budget ? who knows, who cares
ryguy_`: btc is more productive than leaks because idont have what it takes to not get doxxed
ryguy_`: for me
mircea_popescu: works.
ryguy_`: i do want a seat on your exchange, though
mircea_popescu: well the good news is that they're still available.
ryguy_`: but im writing 'all work and no play makes ryguy_` a dull boy' over and over so when im done with that i need to get my gpg keys in wot and all that
ryguy_`: i thought it was infinite seats
mircea_popescu: indeed.
ryguy_`: nice man
ryguy_`: math always saves me
ryguy_`: cant wait until the slaves (sheep) ((our friends and family)) want a transparent ledger equities market
ryguy_`: instead of the sigma 6 circus we got now
mircea_popescu: nobody ever wanted that except for bona fide merchants
mircea_popescu: the same types that push for 0% taxation.
mircea_popescu: in fact, a good quality nyse is less likely than no tax.
ryguy_`: oh yeah
ryguy_`: you are preaching to the choir
ryguy_`: im over the system and how it works and stuck on trying to help decently smart people understand whats going on
mircea_popescu: it's what i do best!
ryguy_`: i always give them an out with
ryguy_`: "the FED might have been the best option we had at the time"
ryguy_`: knowing that isnt true
mircea_popescu: well in the sense stalin was the best option at the time, and hitler too.
BingoBoingo: Well, the Fed was the best weapon for defeating the soviet union while turning into a worse soviet union
ryguy_`: yeah
ryguy_`: im over the geopolitics too
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/08/20/making-my-eulorian-cake-and-eating-it/
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/08/16/boxy-and-his-leaky-bottle/
ryguy_`: zebig brezenski ruined it for me
ryguy_`: as a kid i thought being a 'statesman' was a respectable thing
ryguy_`: now a days im thinking
ryguy_`: this asshole is running things with the kagans
ryguy_`: its fun watching putin deflect like bruce lee with a hand behind his back
mircea_popescu: well stateman is a respectable thing. not very many ones good at it left in teh west.
ryguy_`: what kins of things do you guys see blockchain based equities/securities exchanges competing with eachother on in the future
ryguy_`: network effect, standard nyse/nasdaq type shit thats going on now
ryguy_`: (minus the fraud)
ryguy_`: i think any good statesman would be sitting this current round (or incarnation) out
mircea_popescu: prolly so.
ryguy_`: i dont know much about the technicalities by way of how your service connects with btc but
ryguy_`: do you think high frequency trading or polling type strategies would or will be prominent ?
ryguy_`: i just wanna invest and execute trades for clients and ease everyoneeeee into a btc based stock market like warren benjamin graham
ryguy_`: its hard to discern what is or is not related to the fraud, or a byproduct of the fraud going on now a days. Im open to the argument that hft creates liquidity but how much liquidity does a market need, ya know
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com high speed trading mpex
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BingoBoingo: !up ryguy_`
ryguy_`: oh wow thanks
ryguy_`: ok so yah im _quite_ familiar with bitcoin and things that take place on the blockchain
ryguy_`: and how that would definitely not allow any hft stuff to go down
ryguy_`: anyway. bigtime respectable thing you guys got going on here. especially the trash talking which is just brilliant. and settling with the SEC, wth. i cant even really find any reading on that SEC issue though
mircea_popescu: ryguy_`> do you think high frequency trading or polling type strategies would or will be prominent ? < in a word, no.
mircea_popescu: ryguy_` short version : guy retired his mpex issue. sec desperately wanted to purchase some relevance, so they tied some blown glbse/twitter offering he had with the mpex offering, and pretended like they scored some sort of victory.
mircea_popescu: this is so transparently ridiculous half the bureaucracy is laughing at them, leaving aside wall street and the people not actually involved in the us nuthouse.
mircea_popescu: but hey, working for the govt means you gotta eat the shit you gotta eat.
ryguy_`: i worked at a firm and we had to keep all the records incase the SEC guys showed up
ryguy_`: so this dude just gave back some kind of equity shares in mpex or a listed company like a retired couple gives back a condo timeshare
ryguy_`: he conducted some other transaction and SEC claimed those shares were apart of that other transaction ?
mircea_popescu: mkay, it's like so. guy made a "feedzebirds" thing, which he listed on glbse, which simply imploded.
ryguy_`: yeah
mircea_popescu: guy listed sd on mpex. about a year later, he claimed someone bought it and so it was delisted. mpex shareholders received a negotiated, fair compensation and it was the end of the matter.
mircea_popescu: the sec got a 20k settlement for the former, and is pretending it got a settlement for the pair.
mircea_popescu: this is fine, inasmuch as it has no ill effect and increases the general supply of lulz,
mircea_popescu: which in the end is what backs bitcoin.
ryguy_`: haha
mircea_popescu: point in case.
ryguy_`: hay, man
mircea_popescu: !up guest87345
ryguy_`: i cant wait for title insurance companies to go busto
ryguy_`: and the govt to eat shit - gonna be great
ryguy_`: wish i had your skillset, man. or wish i put the effort in like you did, my dad and his grandfather we're both follower backoffice managers for wallstreet comapnies and growing up i thought financial markets were the most boring shit in the world until 2008 & bitcoin
mircea_popescu: nothing is boring if done well.
ryguy_`: yeah ive been coming around to that more and more at the ripe age of 30
ryguy_`: 18-26 was all deprogramming myself from what i'd been taught, if i knew i was deprogramming it or not
ryguy_`: thank god for the internet - i dont think i'd ever have come around to realize 'fiat = war machine' among all the other things without it or a patient individual to walk me though it
ryguy_`: without the internet, that is. i've been awake for far too long to make sense.
mircea_popescu: well, no game without a good pvp component is ultimately woth playing
mircea_popescu: everything worth doing is a war machine.
ryguy_`: yeah shit is definitely a dualistic world
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ryguy_`: doesnt take long to realize that information really is $$$$ in this day in age from a number of angles
ryguy_`: and not in some faux big data bullshit kind of way
ryguy_`: what a wimper http://feedzebirds.com/
assbot: 403 Forbidden
jurov: i like how * has own entry in stats.bitcoin-assets.com
BingoBoingo: !up ryguy_`
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4760 @ 0.00069949 = 3.3296 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: http://hackaday.com/2014/08/19/open-source-gpu-released/
assbot: Open Source GPU Released
kdomanski: !down assbot
mircea_popescu: why so mean
kdomanski: I would be funny if you could do that
kdomanski: *uit
kdomanski: *it
kdomanski: damn beer
punkman: http://docuwiki.net/index.php?title=Wellington_Bomber
assbot: Wellington Bomber - DocuWiki
punkman: pretty impressive
RagnarDanneskjol: wow 23 hrs
punkman: http://www.airpowerworld.info/bombers/damaged-wellington-bomber.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/B-17_Damage_Cologne.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5838333/Shameless-couple-have-sex-on-crowded-beach-in-Magaluf.html win.
assbot: Shameless couple have sex on crowded beach in Magaluf | The Sun |News
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00070293 = 23.6184 BTC [+]
punkman: mircea_popescu: heh noobs, should have gone to deeper water
mircea_popescu: i suspek a noob is you. they're too deep as it is, seawater is corrosive and in any case a girl goop solvent.
punkman: mircea_popescu: definitely not somethin to do for 40 minutes
mircea_popescu: ikr?
mircea_popescu: actually thinking about this... i suspek the sun may be not telling the truth as it is
punkman: but a quickie while trying to keep afloat, that's pretty fun
mircea_popescu: helps if she has decent buoys.
cazalla: sand in vagina?
mircea_popescu: yeah i don't get this entire do it at the beach thing.
mircea_popescu: i get the do it in public thing, and do it in public to girls you just met thing,
punkman: what's wrong with the beach?
mircea_popescu: but gimme a fucking ottoman for her to faceplant on, a cushion, something.
mircea_popescu: punkman sand. salty water. too hot.
mircea_popescu: ever saw snails fuck on the hot asphalt under the sun ?
cazalla: i did it at the beach with my first gf and it was nothing like the movies
punkman: hah
mircea_popescu: cazalla i did it with a bunch of pron chicks.
mircea_popescu: it... also was nothing like the movies they made.
mircea_popescu: i do not credit the theory this has to be because of me. it must be something else.
punkman: well last time I found some nice flat rocks under shade, worked out pretty good, with the nice sea breeze and all
mircea_popescu: was she on her back or on her knees ?
punkman: there's even more options!
punkman: next time I'm bringing a foam mattress
mircea_popescu: my point being that in the former case her ventral hip bone will rub her skin raw
mircea_popescu: whereas in the latter, knees.
cazalla: rocks sound even worse tbh
punkman: better than sand
mircea_popescu: s/ventral/dorsal but anyway
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/DRRKbHw.jpg
cazalla: slip, gash your hands open on oyster shells or something
mircea_popescu: nice beach/natural port tho
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cazalla: pankkake, is that you?
cazalla: sorry, punkman
cazalla: because that guy looks like he has some a cup titties
mircea_popescu: comments appreciation day : http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ possibly the most re-read comment section on trilema.
assbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: re-read by me i mean. i think it's like the 6th or so time
punkman: cazalla: lol, I see it now
punkman: no that's just another dude
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punkman: btw first time I saw so many cameras at a nudist beach. always thought it a bit of a faux pas
RagnarDanneskjol: think it varies per region
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago it was an outrage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12740 @ 0.00070201 = 8.9436 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: today, nude people generally expect to be filmed and get depressed if apparently nobody cares.
RagnarDanneskjol: does anyone know the appx current size of ATC's blockchain (in GBs)? I know i could just look @ the blockcount & calculate, can't too late for maths
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: there's like 3 transactions total, shouldn't be too big
Apocalyptic: RagnarDanneskjol, I have 55 MB
RagnarDanneskjol: I could have sworn I saw more than that, but wow ok
RagnarDanneskjol: nice, thank
mircea_popescu: what gbs ? like 50 mb yteah
pankkake: I have 49M, though my data is a few days late
Apocalyptic: I may have included the wallet size too
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: "i may have also included some vacation pics&tits"
Apocalyptic: heh
pankkake: bernankoin is 683M. take that
mircea_popescu: yeah but you got all that 3d printing equipment.
RagnarDanneskjol: pankkake I'm working on another blockexplorer for it, will send you email detailing shortly
pankkake: why me?
RagnarDanneskjol: cause you are the only other one on the git, figured you're the guy
pankkake: for updating the web page you should contact ThickAsThieves
nubbins`: ben_vulpes:<nubbins`> how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait` << from a conversation with a client earlier today: "pot makes you stupid! if my son keeps smoking, i'm going to cut him off." <<< ahh my sides
nubbins`: "i'm going to cut him off"
nubbins`: "it's the recreational drug use that's making him stupid, not hanging off daddy's golden teat"
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> why me? << that's what she said.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33922 @ 0.00069703 = 23.6447 BTC [-] {3}
RagnarDanneskjol: ha - pankkake - I don't really care about the webpage, thought you were developing for it - or is it just Thieves?
pankkake: I changed a few values to make it like the coingen settings
mircea_popescu: nobody is really developing for atc. pankkake helped with a bunch of stuff as i think the first guy with a clue to get involved.
RagnarDanneskjol: okee
pankkake: however, as true altcoin developer, I had no idea what I was doing
RagnarDanneskjol: ha
punkman: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 198881.78 in 1878 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.41
punkman: looks like it'll be months before diff change
RagnarDanneskjol: maybe I'm missing something, how are there no txs - thought it was being used for WoL
mircea_popescu: 1880 at 10:02 1878 at 13:54 a dozen or so a day, like five m0onths :D
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol there are a few, just not so many, so it's a common joke.
Apocalyptic: <RagnarDanneskjol> maybe I'm missing something, how are there no txs // there are plenty
RagnarDanneskjol: ok thought so
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: WoL board moves on each block, not much betting to be done right now
RagnarDanneskjol: i see
mircea_popescu: it actually found 12 blocks in the past ~16 hours, so like 100 days at the current rate.
mircea_popescu: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.06 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1459.91 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.07 TH/s
mircea_popescu: hm. whtf is happening thar tho.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, did X-Rob's rig die or something ?
BingoBoingo: It must be down
mircea_popescu: ding ding X-Rob! IMA DOCK YA!
BingoBoingo: http://coinminer.net:19982/static/ << chart
assbot: _-=* CoinMiner Pool *=-_
RagnarDanneskjol: I could be wrong, but something tells me that is a pool issue
RagnarDanneskjol: is ATC the only coin they have active? all other coin pages are non-existent
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol something as in what ?
RagnarDanneskjol: lots of experience fukin with pools
RagnarDanneskjol: and all the other coins pages are not live
RagnarDanneskjol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197906.msg5870328#msg5870328
assbot: [Pool] _-=* CoinMiner Pool *=-_ 42 http://coinminer.net:19991/
BingoBoingo: Well it seems to be reporting 60 GH/s in other hash on the pool
RagnarDanneskjol: I get no datqa received for tht page
BingoBoingo: ?
RagnarDanneskjol: browser says "No data received"
mircea_popescu: odd.
BingoBoingo: I see a page that when you scroll down a bit has this chart https://imgur.com/7bhRyjD
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
RagnarDanneskjol: google coinminer pool - first hit after the forum links straight to ATC pool - all the other coin tabs on top of that page lead me to dead links -I'm almost certain thats the only coin being mined there - unless I'm missing something
RagnarDanneskjol: right I see that too
RagnarDanneskjol: all other coin pools are not there I believe
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh - found something other than ATC - http://coinminer.net:7903/static/
assbot: p2pool
pankkake: I've had issues with that pool
RagnarDanneskjol: p2pools always seem to have issues - what was yours?
pankkake: I was mining but it was rejecting my submissions, or maybe just not registering them. I forgot
RagnarDanneskjol: slow/inconsistent shares are to be expected unless you have 100% uptime
pankkake: yeah, I know
BingoBoingo: It was picked because it seemed to suck least for the purpose here, and getting paid in the coinbase tx makes it easy to verify payments
RagnarDanneskjol: I know more than a few highly competent pool hosts if this one proves unreliable
RagnarDanneskjol: I could almost do it myself, but not quite
BingoBoingo: Well, it's worked so far which is a timeline which stretches back to... this past weekend
RagnarDanneskjol: OH
BingoBoingo: I mean the pool is much older than that
RagnarDanneskjol: I see
BingoBoingo: It's just since ATC stalled out it was the only pool that was responsive to our rented hash
RagnarDanneskjol: gotcha - I'll work on that
BingoBoingo: And the p2pool type paying with the coinbase tx is very desirable, if it were replaced or needed to be replaced, that is a thing I'd like to see
RagnarDanneskjol: sure
BingoBoingo: For now though it seems the simplest explanation is prolly the rig's down
BingoBoingo: Byt X-Rob explained there's some stuff this pool does that isn't optimal... so a replacement wouldn't be horrible down the line
BingoBoingo: X-rob would have to explain what the not-quite optimal stuff is
RagnarDanneskjol: I'd almost bet $ its the pool, but are they not one in the same provider?
RagnarDanneskjol: i could point some hardwarev there myself to test later today
mircea_popescu: !up cardigm
mircea_popescu: <RagnarDanneskjol> I know more than a few highly competent pool hosts if this one proves unreliable << so hook something up ☟︎
nubbins`: ahahahaha, http://imgur.com/gallery/4vCAr
assbot: Ice Bucket Challenge Gone Wrong - Imgur
nubbins`: amazing how few people understand physics and gravity
nubbins`: "maybe if i push this heavy object off a rail, it'll upend itself for some reason"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that first fucktard... jesus god she's bleeding from the tits
mircea_popescu: quick, a badaid, a pastie ,s omething
mircea_popescu: god forbid the internet sees anon nipple or something, someone may care
mircea_popescu: she'll be turned down for employment and dental insurance.
mircea_popescu: her children will catch the gout.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: the best is the third one
nubbins`: where the guy drops a 50lb weight on his daughter's heads
RagnarDanneskjol: I already suggested a few a while back when this discussion first took place. I will gather my list and get it all ready later today
mircea_popescu: cnat even find someone to dump water on her head, figures someone gives a shit about her tits.
nubbins`: ahhh i can't breathe
mircea_popescu: omfg
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.livechains.net/ is first that comes to mind
assbot: LiveChains UK
cazalla: fire challenge is better imo
mircea_popescu: assfucking challenge is best.
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/W2M2s1w
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: From ther faq
BingoBoingo: What are Tilera and Arbor
BingoBoingo: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit. Repellendus, nobis, dignissimos, voluptatibus veritatis aliquid magni labore tempora fugit rerum eaque deserunt odio voluptatum recusandae assumenda beatae veniam maxime eveniet iste!Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit. Suscipit repellendus velit rem libero dicta sint rerum id quasi! Fugit, dolorum eligendi alias veniam praesentium at rerum aut sapiente
BingoBoingo: in cumque.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> cnat even find someone to dump water on her head, figures someone gives a shit about her tits.//problem is of course that they do, at least next time she wants a job or smthn
mircea_popescu: in trhat case the problem is them. but srsly...
mircea_popescu: if my job were to screen all applicants for possible interwebs exposure...
chetty: well yeah its their problem but still not gonna get that job ...
mircea_popescu: i can't tell these people apart. unless she starts writing her gpg fingerprint on her boobs nobody can tell her from eve.
mircea_popescu: could you say if this animated gif is this irl girl or not ?
chetty: I am sure there are people that can, the data collection monster knows all (well almost)
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/lLkFmLV.gif << someone explain this ?
mircea_popescu: chetty not out of 200x200 px srsly.
RagnarDanneskjol: BoingoBoingo - they just switched to a new template for their page and clearly are off their game. I and several others have hired them in the past (going back over a year ago) and they deliver pools as described... I think they have p2pool also, but dont see listed
nubbins`: mircea_popescu that's actually not water, but a super-slippery fluid with almost zero friction coefficient
nubbins`: the other two girls have gecko feet
nubbins`: or they're wearing crocs
mircea_popescu: or they're you know, the sort of brainstem limited derps that'd be on facebook.
RagnarDanneskjol: BoingoBoingo - Im gonna call them right now to figure out their status (phone #s on the page)
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, cool
RagnarDanneskjol: talkin - they picked right up
RagnarDanneskjol: wow
RagnarDanneskjol: Ok - I spoke to Mark with his charming british acent -they are a little backlogged, but can deliver pools in 36-48 hours, also offer cloud mining contracts. These guys are fukin pro.. Imma follow up with email to you guys w/ details. Worth giving them a call just to hear what they're up to.
RagnarDanneskjol: they can do p2pool or whatever you need
BingoBoingo: Interesting
RagnarDanneskjol: they came highly recommended from the LA bitcoin regulars - heard of them a year ago and used them myself for a small test pool a ways back
RagnarDanneskjol: once pools are setup, the backend control panel stuff is super simple to manage yourself
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.06 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1356.06 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
mircea_popescu: http://cynic.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/bitcoin-laws-of-the-universe.jpg
mircea_popescu: not so bad, which one of you is it ?
HeySteve: hi
BingoBoingo: Hi
novusordo: http://guardianlv.com/2014/08/bitcoin-expands-as-stock-price-falls/
assbot: Bitcoin Expands as Stock Price Falls (Update)
HeySteve: mircea_popescu the slogan points to woodwallets.io
HeySteve: novusordo from that link "Coinbase is an international digital wallet" - not truly int'l as nations sanctioned by USG are excluded
punkman: "As Bitcoin expands across the world and their stock price falls to historic lows on Wall Street, crypto-currency remains one that is open to everyone."
punkman: lol
nubbins`: mp, nice graphic
nubbins`: are you sure that's not an egg being fertilized? ;D
mircea_popescu: HeySteve universal is much better than "international"
mircea_popescu: as afaik no nation has yet been recognised by the blockchain, and so...
mircea_popescu: nubbins` well as sure as you can ever be when eggs fertilisation comes into play.
mircea_popescu: novusordo hey there.
nubbins`: !up aspho
nubbins`: !up pleego
mircea_popescu: !up bertani_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33710 @ 0.00069723 = 23.5036 BTC [+] {2}
aspho: Oh, thanks nubbins.
BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud
nubbins`: np
The20YearIRCloud: hi
aspho: Been reading the logs for the last long time, before coming here. Learning the variety speak.
mircea_popescu: hows that coming along ?
aspho: Pretty good, still a lot of archives to cover.
nubbins`: !up aspho
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
aspho: Thanks nubbins but gotta run, back later tonight.
nubbins`: hahah
nubbins`: lel @ usagi
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot usagi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
kakobrekla: !up usagi
usagi: thanks. I wanted to ask aspho a question heh, but thanks
usagi: So, anyone into Django Reinhardt"?
usagi: Some of his work with Beryl Davis is my favorite
nubbins`: https://myspace.com/shitloadoftits/music/song/jango-purdy-live-1017320-1032704
nubbins`: if only he'd worked with bernard purdy ;(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6990 @ 0.00069748 = 4.8754 BTC [+]
usagi: What genre would you call that? sounds a little funky
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00069553 = 8.2768 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: usagi, i think they call it "math rock"
nubbins`: i bought the rights to their first album yesterday :0
nubbins`: these are really early recordings, from before they even had a bass player
nubbins`: https://myspace.com/shitloadoftits/music/song/there-she-was-gone-live-1017322-1032706
usagi: the rights? so your into music then
nubbins` nods
novusordo: mircea_popescu hiya
usagi: Most of the music I like is so old the copyright has expired
mircea_popescu: copyright covers performance you ninny. unless you're listening to an amphora capture of original greek choruses, it's covered alright.
usagi: I would imagine thats why he bought the rights
usagi: So for example he could then play the music in a venue that didn't purchase cover song licensing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00275952 = 0.5795 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: actually, i bought the rights so i could re-release the album
usagi: You must really like these guys hehe
nubbins` nods
nubbins`: amazing album from a band that's on the top-five list of every music lover in the city
nubbins`: and they broke up two weeks after they released it, so there were only ~25 copies ever bought
mircea_popescu: and yet you look nothing like john cussack
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: above the collar, sure
usagi: I plan to get into music a lot more once I retire
nubbins`: why wait? and also, i thought we were all retired?
usagi: My job is exhausting.
mircea_popescu: yeah who let the unretired in!
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: this is the internet house of old people AND GIT OFF MA LAWNS
nubbins`: your job is exhausting, so you can't listen to music to unwind? :/
nubbins`: !up aspho
usagi: I mean playing music. I am split between the piano and the guitar
nubbins`: ah
usagi: I really, really like both instruments. I'll probably end up with piano
mircea_popescu: nubbins` reminds me of the woman that claimed she can'tr fuck because migraine ☟︎
mircea_popescu: as if that's not the exact and only cure.
nubbins`: dude, you ever masturbate with a headache? once you cum it's SO MUCH WORSE
mircea_popescu: not for guys
mircea_popescu: real men don't get headaches.
mircea_popescu: no head to ache.
mircea_popescu: (also i dont recall the last time i jacked off)
nubbins`: !up usagi
nubbins`: ;o
nubbins`: fun fact, magic mushrooms are an effective treatment for cluster migraines
mircea_popescu: people ridicule the every sperm is sacred doods, and i can see it
mircea_popescu: but i tell you... seems such a waste.
nubbins`: ah, man and his symbols
mircea_popescu: more like nude practicality. i cant keep up with the girls anyway, why make it worse.
nubbins` claps softly
chetty: you havent lived till you have had Coital cephalalgia
nubbins`: hah
mircea_popescu: that, a glass eye and a spastic colon ?
nubbins`: i thought we all had spastic colons?
chetty: is a rare type of severe headache that occurs at the base of the skull before orgasm during sexual activity
nubbins`: hmm, i have a jar of almond butter that's been recalled due to salmonella risk
mod6: oh cool, mpex.co is back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00069671 = 10.0326 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 316642 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1885 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26952826341.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.03501
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 499.92, Best ask: 501.98, Bid-ask spread: 2.06000, Last trade: 501.99, 24 hour volume: 15603.05805411, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 502.95, 24 hour vwap: 484.781556984
pete_dushenski: o hey 500
BingoBoingo: I'm a bit behind, is 500 rising or crashing?
HeySteve: rising, about $30 in 8 hours
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/501880092407398401
assbot: Important read on randomness and Kolmogorov complexity: http://t.co/7GvlEz0Q6F This is why entropy matters: http://t.co/Gd6urFTU2s
HeySteve: https://www.deckbound.com/invest
assbot: Deckbound -- digital collectible trading card games built on top of the Bitcoin blockchain
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and by too clean i mean the sort that doesn't bareback random whores because "who knows what may happen" << this point has me reflecting. am i scanning the world of business ideas for puuurfect? when non-broken will suffice? well fuck.
pete_dushenski: decimation: heh perhaps I should pick an orthogonal basis << there's always the ol' first_last!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'homo redditicus' << lulz. let's make this term canonical
pankkake: what's wrong with redditard?
pankkake: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=redditard great description btw
assbot: Urban Dictionary: redditard
pete_dushenski: really, nothing
pete_dushenski: less scientific, less gay jokey
pankkake: "One must always be aware that their fodder for arguments consists of internet memes and attempts at being witty" same goes for twitter, not that you could do anything else there
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the students are asked to simply memorize the book of, e.g, organic reactions. << myeah. tis perfect med skool prep
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: more 'weedout' than prep
pete_dushenski: well 'prep' in the sense that if you can't memorize the bible in latin, med school will rape you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00069534 = 7.0925 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the interesting part of that thread was that, afaik, there isn't anywhere you can go in usa to study 'proper' chemistry
asciilifeform: (other than a library)
pete_dushenski: right. a concept which stretches across much of university
nubbins`: <- CS degree, wrote exactly two working programs as part of my CS curriculum
pete_dushenski: mistaking them for learning institutions is how you end up 29 yo and single
pete_dushenski: and on tinder
nubbins`: is that the app that lets you anonymously tell women you want to cum on their tits?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: we had actual program-writing (os, compiler, busloads of data structure crud, etc.)
nubbins`: asciilifeform jealous :/
asciilifeform: nah 'tinder' should be an app where you sign up to burn on the stake.
nubbins`: hey, this printer stopped mid-page with an out-of-ink warning. i fixed the problem, and it's picking up where it left off.
nubbins`: have never seen this in action before :0
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: tinder is grindr for straight pplz
nubbins`: is grindr that app that lets you anonymously tell men you want to cum on their tits?
pete_dushenski: sorta "hi please to hook up with me based on glamour shots from when i was 5 years younger"
pankkake: tinder isn't anonymous, it requires facebook
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: lol yup
pankkake: and a smartphone
pete_dushenski: now there's a market: anonymous smartphone apps!
mike_c: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol are you working on an ATC block explorer?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 117 @ 0.00600099 = 0.7021 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: decimation: 'pep rally' << been to a few of these myself. because morale! at least our school had the bestest cheerleaders in the city
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kAXcIlA1MI (unrelated)
assbot: Video Oddities Ep 77 - Chad VanGaalen's Molten Light - YouTube
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu more on the fasting http://contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/#comment-4734
assbot: Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: 17 comments: a record is me
pankkake: https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2014/08/an-interesting-paper-on-calorie-restriction.php (didn't read)
assbot: An Interesting Paper on Calorie Restriction
pete_dushenski: pankkake: we're trying to tease apart the research on calorie restriction and that on fasting, but still interesting
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: at the time in question, you literally could not go on a date if you sucked in school. << sounds like some kind of miracle land compared to the anti-intellectual "i are sportsstar" culture here
nubbins`: asciilifeform, i'm a huge chad vangaalen fan
nubbins`: why's the audio so shit on this version?
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLw5b70OJH8
assbot: Chad VanGaalen - Molten Light (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
asciilifeform: !up usagi
usagi: For me, one of the most interesting features of a water fast is that your body will cut down on it's extraneous muscle mass as well as body fat. I will have to try it one of these days
usagi: When I read that it gave me a number of ideas
nubbins`: "extraneous muscle mass"
usagi: I mean it sounds obvious, but actually, the way in which the body goes about reducing it's muscle mass is something which is fascinating to me
asciilifeform: kurt godel was a master of 'caloric restriction'
nubbins`: asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZWfE2dPFSo
assbot: Shave My Pussy - Chad VanGaalen - YouTube
usagi: Well nubbins when I say that I mean certain things about opposing muscle tension
usagi: It's some random sports medicine stuff I am studying
nubbins` feigns interest
nubbins`: oh, no way? cool
usagi: Yea it has to do with your body overcompensating for keeping it's balance (for example) by adding extra muscle mass to groups of muscles in reciprocal inhibition, mass you don't need and which interferes with your motion
usagi: My theory is if you perform certain kinds of exercises your body will cut out the extraneous muscle mass inhibiting your motion and you will be able to move/respond quicker using less energy. Useful for sports
usagi: I also imagine the restriction would also allow you to increase or reduce the ratio of fast twitch fibres, because theoretically the body wouldn't toss out muscle mass which is being frequently used
thestringpuller: usagi uh, it has more to do with flexibility of ligiments
thestringpuller: nubbins`: we acceot
nubbins` scrolls backwards to quote
thestringpuller: accept your offer. can we discuss terms today?
nubbins`: sure, i'm back and forth here for the next hour or so
thestringpuller: lemme see if i can get the designer on the line
nubbins`: how many did ya want, 6 or 12?
nubbins`: or ___?
jurov google pep rally
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 46 @ 0.0127 = 0.5842 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 13.25936164 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1153 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 28.45581781 BTC to 14`329 shares, 198589 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.51099305 BTC to 14`329 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
thestringpuller: nubbins`: desogner is walking to class. so in about 30 minutes he will be here
nubbins`: no sweat
nubbins`: not really much to go over. graphics in vector format, preferably .AI with spot colors
nubbins`: 300dpi+ psd files grudgingly accepted
thestringpuller: LOL
BingoBoingo: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/mya_aaten-white_shooting_victim_from_aug_12_says_police_have_not_interviewed_her.php
assbot: Mya Aaten-White, Ferguson Shooting Victim, Says Police Have Not Interviewed Her | Riverfront Times
TomServo: hey hey hey, shit in StL is too serious - we need to focus on beheaded journalists now.
nubbins`: ^
BingoBoingo: "We want to find out who and what agency took possession of the bullet," he said. "We want to identify who was responsible for firing the weapon that ended up with a bullet being lodged in the front of Mya's head."
BingoBoingo: When we spoke with him several hours later, the story just got weirder.
BingoBoingo: "I've talked to both the St. Louis County Police Department and Ferguson...they have no record...no file number, no report," he said. "They don't have anything."
nubbins`: yeah, don't you dummies realize a white guy was killed the other day?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: the hospital would have taken note of who took the bullet, no?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Might be time to break out the aluminum foil
BingoBoingo: Makes pretty wallpaper
pete_dushenski: http://www.nophone.eu
assbot: noPhone. A technology-free alternative to constant hand-to-phone contact.
pete_dushenski: "With a thin, light and completely wireless design, the noPhone acts as a surrogate to any smart mobile device, enabling you to always have a rectangle of smooth, cold plastic to clutch without forgoing any potential engagement with your direct environment. Never again experience the unsettling feeling of flesh on flesh when closing your hand. "
pete_dushenski: lulz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 555 @ 0.00119996 = 0.666 BTC [+]
nubbins`: Q: for those of us with metal-and-glass phones, is there an alternative to the classic noPhone? plastic is yucky.
pete_dushenski: that's a premium upgrade
nubbins`: ah
pete_dushenski: as bugs bunny used to say "that's all folks!"
thestringpuller: !up petepolack
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you still there?
thestringpuller: petepolack is the designer
nubbins`: hi
thestringpuller: one second he is getting in WoT
thestringpuller: ;)
thestringpuller: one of us one of us
nubbins`: heh
thestringpuller: kay he needs to get to class
thestringpuller: he will log in when he gets there
thestringpuller: be back in 10
nubbins`: i'm outta time, maybe we can reconnect tomorrow
nubbins`: unless he has specific questions for me, there's not a lot to discuss anyway
thestringpuller: okay can we email you gpg encrypted AI file and then go from there?
thestringpuller: then you can send us gpg signed invoice in BTC?
thestringpuller: We want 6 shirts
thestringpuller: 1 color
thestringpuller: black
thestringpuller: and white ink
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.29841998 = 2.9842 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: sure
thestringpuller: kay we'll talk to you tomorrow then and get everything paid for
nubbins`: gotta admit you've piqued my curiosity as to why you'd gpg encrypt graphics
thestringpuller: I'll pay entirety up front
thestringpuller: *shrug* paranoia
nubbins`: i'm not printing hatespeech on a shirt for you ;p
thestringpuller: oh no
nubbins`: heh
thestringpuller: i guess we just don't want the image to "leak"
thestringpuller: ?
thestringpuller: only you should be recipient
nubbins`: pm'd you email address for graphics
thestringpuller: "intended recipient" blah blah
thestringpuller: kay
nubbins`: grab my key from the wot
thestringpuller: yea!
thestringpuller: cool well talk to you tomorrow then
nubbins`: k, peace
thestringpuller: !up petepolack
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/FlBSBcO.gif
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: The pool died, it switched to my backup pool, and then didn't switch back automatically when the pool got better.
mike_c: ;;calc 3056 * 0.0001
gribble: 0.3056
X-Rob: Have fixed it, hopefully it won't do it again. Sorry.
mike_c: my computer is retarded. 3056 / 10000 = 0.3056, but 3056 * 0.0001 = 0.30560000000004
thestringpuller: petepolack: okay now we register
thestringpuller: ;;eregister
gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase (1 more message)
thestringpuller: soo ;;eregister petepolack YOURKEYID
petepolack: (eregister petepolack D4ECFBB385737831)
petepolack: :(
fluffypony: petepolack: /msg gribble ;;eregister petepolack D4ECFBB385737831
thestringpuller: Everyone is so helpful
thestringpuller: thanks fluffypony !
petepolack: alright thanks, got it
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Well, we're looking into maybe getting a new p2pool set up for this coin given how shit this one seems to be, so news on that might be incoming.
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: how about I set up a pool?
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Uh, sure.
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: I'll do it this weekend.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Can you do the p2pool type thing that gets people paid in the coinbase?
thestringpuller: X-Rob: sell me coins!!!!
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: jkjk
petepolack: thestringpuller: it worked
petepolack: damn
kakobrekla: wasnt it /msg kakobrekla <privatekey>
kakobrekla: pretty sure it was.
punkman: mike_c: my computer is retarded. 3056 / 10000 = 0.3056, but 3056 * 0.0001 = 0.30560000000004 << javascript?
mike_c: python
jurov: use Decimal for such
jurov: for example ghci says the same.. it's standard floating point stuff
jurov: whereas >>> Decimal(3056)*Decimal('0.0001')
jurov: Decimal('0.3056')
punkman: I did my bitbet app without decimals, didn't notice a problem
jurov: that's cause buttcoins were designed to round cleanly after simple computation with doubles
jurov: if you did bitcoinica-liek stuff, that'd be a problem
ben_vulpes: holy logs
ben_vulpes: i'm 1100 lines behind
mike_c: jurov: yeah, I use decimal's pretty liberally. this calculation wasn't coin related.
punkman: oh I see now, it worked because I didn't use my (satoshi / 100000000.0) results in further calculations
mike_c: i also use a curiously large number of extraneous apostrophes.
mike_c: anyhoo. i get floating point stupidness. just mildly surprised the division & multiplication are different.
mike_c: i thought it had more to do with the result than the inputs.
kakobrekla: just intify errything
mircea_popescu: <mod6> oh cool, mpex.co is back << last week or so
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> well fuck. << there is no such thing as a perfect wife, horse or business idea.
mircea_popescu: wives horses and business ideas are what you make of them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 65 @ 0.0107 = 0.6955 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up Wexel
mircea_popescu: !up Brigadier
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (other than a library) << "there isn't where t og oin the usa for aspirin other than pharmacy". o woe ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: is that the app that lets you anonymously tell women you want to cum on their tits? <<< you know, this is very popular with a large section of the female population, but the woman that wants dribbling by random people she doesn't know is quite rare.
mircea_popescu: it's more like part of cuddling, in the female mind.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21453 @ 0.00069092 = 14.8223 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: decimation: 'pep rally' << been to a few of these myself. because morale! at least our school had the bestest cheerleaders in the city << because they were... immoral ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: "extraneous muscle mass" << penis.
BingoBoingo: lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvgEWBDIEAErBVN.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see your Shave My Pussy and i raise you a Narcotic.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JSXCfGWjqA
assbot: Liquido - Narcotic (HD) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/mya_aaten-white_shooting_victim_from_aug_12_says_police_have_not_interviewed_her.php << o look at that. us police shoots civillian in the street, goes to hospital, steals bullet, disappears it.
assbot: Mya Aaten-White, Ferguson Shooting Victim, Says Police Have Not Interviewed Her | Riverfront Times
mircea_popescu: this is so romanian revolution it bleeds.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's what I'm thinking, well the police stealing their bullet back. I dunno if pale America is ready to take Obama out back yet.
mircea_popescu: what's obama to do with this ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, wasn't that the end of the Romanian revolution?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: BingoBoingo: the hospital would have taken note of who took the bullet, no? << well if they didn't, either the police comissioner hangs or they got themselves a police state.
mircea_popescu: either way.
mircea_popescu: guy'd better pray they did take note.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes. difference being that they never shot gorbachev.
mircea_popescu: so you know, missouri governor ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: that's a premium upgrade << cut glass. 10 bux in any mirror shop.
thestringpuller: penguirker:
thestringpuller: penguirker:
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: oops
mircea_popescu: !up petenineteen
mircea_popescu: petenineteen seriously ?
BingoBoingo: That sounds like a cam girl screen name, except pete
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, a food chain here is called mustachios.
BingoBoingo: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3215 @ 0.00119007 = 3.8261 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: okay petenineteen
thestringpuller: ;;eregister
gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase (1 more message)
thestringpuller: petenineteen: -^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 563 @ 0.00119996 = 0.6756 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: eregister something_other_than_petenineteen
mircea_popescu: petetwelveandwhatisthis ?
thestringpuller: is petenineteen taken?
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust petenineteen
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user petenineteen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=petenineteen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=petenineteen | Rated since: never
mike_c: what's the record for most trolling before the guy even opens his mouth?
mircea_popescu: his mom ?
dignork: mircea_popescu: rasing Narcotic to Umlala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reN5vaSADKQ
assbot: Umlala - My Pdf Files (Official Video) - YouTube
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looks like this is going through October http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mcculloch-grand-jury-to-get-evidence-in-ferguson-case-through/article_a2893384-0bcf-51a9-b479-9c7e9496c6a1.html
assbot: McCulloch: Grand jury to get evidence in Ferguson case through mid-October : News
dignork: *raising
mircea_popescu: dignork ok, i didn't want to do this but you asked for it. prepare to be glassed.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwhdkJcz-c
assbot: Hot Girl tania and me Pwning Noobs on The Tell-Lie-Vision (ATHENE #22) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33963 @ 0.00068791 = 23.3635 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: damn mpoe below IPO v3 listing?
thestringpuller: wow
thestringpuller: BUY BUY BUY
mike_c: fiat -> btc -> mpoe = two profits?
BingoBoingo: lol, but whose bank are you going to break on the way there?
mircea_popescu: the two profits of internets.
mircea_popescu: but yea srsly, in the space of six months i went from >1bn to like what, 200mn ?
mircea_popescu: am i like the biggest loser of the summer or what!
dignork: mircea_popescu: the guy is playing a wrong game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC7GGrUdJUI&t=0m25s
assbot: Russian Roulette in Wedding gone Wrong - Roulette Russa a Matrimonio - YouTube
mircea_popescu: dignork srsly. he's such a total dork you could not believe.
mircea_popescu: the chick however, she comes from money, ran for the danish pirate party iirc, got a seat.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29879999 = 0.5976 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where t og oin the usa for aspirin other than pharmacy". o woe << (practical) chemistry is an experimental science. very 'seat of the pants', like metalwork or any other work with hands.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, you can study under the cover of darkness, in a cellar, with black-market materials. but it used to be, you could also study at a university.
dignork: Sad story happened to my friend recently. He lost ~1btc to Chrome toolbar, which replaced deposit btc address on coinbase withdrawal form. Can somebody suggest coinbase to implement gpg-signed orders?
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
empyex: thestringpuller: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=135 Or use a valid MPSIC!
thestringpuller: $depth s.mpoe
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 33287 @ 0.00068725 12200 @ 0.00068618 350 @ 0.00063000 25000 @ 0.00060000
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 26998 @ 0.00068872 10271 @ 0.00069092 23339 @ 0.00069415 40110 @ 0.00069671
danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl6DizyZgFY << "Bitcoin is the walk-man, Black coin is the iPad"
assbot: BLACKCOIN - The Music Video - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33487 @ 0.00068724 = 23.0136 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up aspho
BingoBoingo: !up shovel_boss
punkman: dignork, that sucks. maybe if he makes a fuss coinbase will refund that withdrawal
BingoBoingo: Hello assbot shovel_boss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00068618 = 8.3714 BTC [-]
TomServo: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/20/berkshirehathaway-settlement-idUSL2N0QQ1LR20140820
assbot: UPDATE 3-U.S. fines Berkshire over stock deal, Buffett admits mistake| Reuters
TomServo: gave Berkshire a reputation as a lender of last resort when financial markets come under strain << Hadn't heard that line before.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1500 @ 0.00119997 = 1.8 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !Up KRS-1
dignork: punkman: afaik, no, coinbase received order to send to address X, instead of Y, they had now way of detecting it, because it's just http request altered on the client side
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 521.98, Best ask: 522.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 521.96, 24 hour volume: 17498.21146377, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 527.01, 24 hour vwap: 494.872496909
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1919 @ 0.00065107 = 1.2494 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_a_Fugitive_from_a_Chain_Gang
assbot: I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 519.49, Best ask: 519.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 519.49, 24 hour volume: 17774.39850899, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 527.01, 24 hour vwap: 495.727614364
ben_vulpes: that floppy btc trampoline
ben_vulpes: 420 min after the etf?
pankkake: ;;ticker --market bcent --currency eur
gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 395.0, Best ask: 400.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.00000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 101.36987742, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 400.0, 24 hour vwap: 373.07105659
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 521.0, vol: 17792.87498487 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 510.7, vol: 8252.58738 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 516.02, vol: 28283.81807457 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 546.99, vol: 36.78969469 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 512.568453, vol: 37552.61050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 28.98932003 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 530.52, vol: 101.36987742 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: !up napedia
BingoBoingo: !up peterl
peterl: fluffypony here?
peterl: on the topic of Chem in college: At MSU we had three levels of O-chem (which I helped teach), one for nurses, one for premed+scientists, and one for chemists
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plummer_v._State
assbot: Plummer v. State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: so what's it like in MO
asciilifeform: peterl: this used to be common, i'm told. but eliminated at most large public unis, afaik, for cost-cutting.
thestringpuller: lootin nearby?
thestringpuller: loot all da stores
thestringpuller does not condone or endorse looting and rioting.
peterl: yeah, I guess they need the money to pay the football coaches now
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: last night was a quiet night. After http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/mya_aaten-white_shooting_victim_from_aug_12_says_police_have_not_interviewed_her.php Tonight might be... who knows
assbot: Mya Aaten-White, Ferguson Shooting Victim, Says Police Have Not Interviewed Her | Riverfront Times
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> copyright covers performance you ninny. unless you're listening to an amphora capture of original greek choruses, it's covered alright. << oh, bitcoin recognizes copyright but not patents?
thestringpuller: wow that
thestringpuller: is so fucked
thestringpuller: when can sovereign entities use force if the police are militarized?
thestringpuller: isn't this how revolutions start?
thestringpuller: why can't*
thestringpuller: wow tired
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
BingoBoingo: Hello mpmcsweeney
kakobrekla: have a tit http://blog.tastebuds.fm/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/worstalbumcovers01.jpeg
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well...prolly when people start getting naked
BingoBoingo: !up bitcoinhtx
BingoBoingo: !up tych0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 385 @ 0.00375195 = 1.4445 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00375001 / 0.00432963 / 0.00478000 (959 shares, 4.15211592 BTC), 7D: 0.00360047 / 0.00431174 / 0.00478000 (3125 shares, 13.47419209 BTC), 30D: 0.00305500 / 0.00407779 / 0.00498614 (12095 shares, 49.32086116 BTC)
jurov: !s haskoin
assbot: 0 results for 'haskoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=haskoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.01159351 = 0.6724 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2e1tx0/while_youre_busy_pumping_his_book_andreas/
assbot: While you're busy pumping his book, Andreas Antonopoulos, the "security officer" at blockchain.info still has not fixed a critical vulnerability in blockchain.info that was reported to them and acknowledged a month ago. : Bitcoin
BigBitz: Hah. Andreas.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00064563 = 0.6456 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: We analyzed this bug and found that it if exploited, an attacker can cause a wallet to show incorrect balances. However, an attacker must spend bitcoin to do so.
BingoBoingo: My gosh, are you guys totally unaware that hundreds or thousands of services use your API to may check balances and provide services on top of it? What the hell are you guys doing. This guy is reporting a vulnerability for free and you act ignorant. Do you want somebody to exploit such vulns without reporting and blockchain ending up like emptygox?
pete_dushenski: lol when mp kills someone, he really kills 'em, eh?
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/reddit-nixes-new-subreddit-advertising-high-end-counterfeit-us-dollars/
assbot: reddit nixes new subreddit advertising high-end counterfeit US dollars | Ars Technica
BigBitz: nixes. excellent word.
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/Yowan/status/458265746410602496
assbot: Such a great logical argument: http://t.co/MCE1tOIzuD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.012599 = 0.5292 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16031 @ 0.00063902 = 10.2441 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063902 / 0.00069727 / 0.00070723 (632210 shares, 440.82 BTC), 7D: 0.00063902 / 0.00071569 / 0.0007468 (3821663 shares, 2,735.13 BTC), 30D: 0.00063902 / 0.00079496 / 0.00094217 (16714154 shares, 13,287.20 BTC)
pete_dushenski: it's tough goin out there in bitcoinlandia!
thestringpuller: how so?
thestringpuller: what is bitcoinlandia?
pete_dushenski: lol this whole thing is bitcoinlandia
pete_dushenski: so btc and mpoe getting cracked on is the "tough goin"
Namworld: Yeah, about that blockchain.info reddit thread... nice link provided in there: https://blockchain.info/address/3M1S3tZVkEJw7zVBtn1Mq8McVyfnNMAuoX
assbot: Bitcoin Address 3M1S3tZVkEJw7zVBtn1Mq8McVyfnNMAuoX
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/L08FPjx.jpg << lol what?
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well we don't know the full story. there could be large withdrawals going out of MPEx
Namworld: ...
pete_dushenski: lol @ josh
Namworld: ;;next
gribble: See latest update from Onefixt here: https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/
Namworld: what's the next diff command...
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 26649333965.9 based on data since last change | 26457879467.4 based on data for last three days
Namworld: Nice going, Josh
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well we don't know the full story. there could be large withdrawals going out of MPEx << as opposed to…?
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: what do you mean? Who knows where the capital is being deployed, why, and how.
thestringpuller: If money is staying in MPEx then it will be deployed somewhere else besides MPOE
thestringpuller: if it is moving out then it's going someplace, God knows what
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 60 @ 0.0217227 = 1.3034 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: well there's not a lot of evidence to support the theory that the derps, wol, bbet, or nsa are picking up the slack
pete_dushenski: or x.eur
pete_dushenski: but you're correct in saying that it may be just staying on balance at mpex but off-market
thestringpuller: they aren't picking up the slack
thestringpuller: you can poll trades...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.011592 = 0.6955 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: maybe the coins are being dumped onto bitstamp for seekrit skvirels to depress price lol
thestringpuller: or maybe the other assets on mpex will pick up slack at some point
thestringpuller: as they monetize perhaps
thestringpuller: but this price is very low as you probably know
asciilifeform: or mircea_popescu finally bought atomic dirigible.
thestringpuller: I think the private equity buy was for higher price than this
thestringpuller: ;;google atomic dirigible
gribble: GTA V DLC Dirigible ATOMIC | Como Conseguirlo - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFbbgmJRwDc>; Como obtener el Dirigible en GTA V The Atomic Blimp - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2BYtak610U>; GTA V - DLC Dirigible Atomic con la Reserva - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmgJEf333H0>
thestringpuller: you guys playing GTA?
novusordo: or maybe some sweet new exciting mining bond got released on havelock
asciilifeform: http://www.airships.net/wp-content/uploads/soviet-atomic-dirigible1.jpg
thestringpuller: there isn't much overlap between mpex investors and play exchanges
pete_dushenski: novusordo: i had a similar hunch ;)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: holy sweet mother...
jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwxCLAPKgs BIGGER BOOBS FOR ERRYONE
assbot: Bigger boobs tutorial- Dominika Myslivcov - YouTube
pete_dushenski: or maybe mp dumped his own stock to buy bigger boobs to go with his raw salmon?
thestringpuller: why don't people make airships anymore...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: partially - the u.s. monopoly on helium
asciilifeform: (soviet atomic dirigible would've probably flown with H2 from sea water. because cheap and angry.)
pete_dushenski: http://www.helium-corp.com/facts/heliumfound.html
assbot: Where Helium is Found? : Inter-American Corporation Helium Exploration and Production
asciilifeform: hell, from atmospheric vapours. (don't need much to top off the balonettes)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42513 @ 0.00064175 = 27.2827 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063902 / 0.00069354 / 0.00070723 (656568 shares, 455.36 BTC), 7D: 0.00063902 / 0.00071487 / 0.0007468 (3864176 shares, 2,762.41 BTC), 30D: 0.00063902 / 0.00079457 / 0.00094217 (16756667 shares, 13,314.48 BTC)
ben_vulpes: i remember buying some mpoe last time it was this low
pete_dushenski: mmm angry atomic dirigibles...
ben_vulpes: falling knife, that day.
pete_dushenski: now there's an idea for a comic strip!
BingoBoingo: (soviet atomic dirigible would've probably flown with H2 from sea water. because cheap and angry.) << H2 Airship is probably near the Platonic form of of cheap and angry
asciilifeform: http://www.papercraftsquare.com/pic/command-conquer-kirov-airship-papercraftcommand-conquer-kirov-airship-papercraft.jpg
asciilifeform: http://api.ning.com/files/A*xATsTqGf7gA1dHf5rr4H61g8SHHZ5JqNwx5I1IGjv5-FiTzTM*nJGnss9F-l8bH6R0nTuJqqI2wkvX3-yPR0IIu*tX9AuH/C31ComradeAirship.jpg?width=411&height=600
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 113 @ 0.0217227 = 2.4547 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: lol
jurov: maybe silica aerogel filled with h2 could be used someday...it can be expected to not be explosive thanks to its thermal insulative properties
asciilifeform: h2 without o is not explosive.
BingoBoingo: O finds a way
asciilifeform: dirt-cheap semiconductor leak detectors exist today, vs. 100 yrs ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29879999 = 1.1952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00064361 = 3.3468 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Namworld lol borkt.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> http://i.imgur.com/L08FPjx.jpg << lol what? << forum muppets being forum muppets.
mircea_popescu: in the moment they FEEL they're just like you. then later, they're no longer around to eat dirt, and if they are they won't eat the dirt anyway.
mircea_popescu: an infinite supply of such examples is how the idea that normal people aren't entitled and shouldn't be entitled to an opinion came about.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or mircea_popescu finally bought atomic dirigible. << i've not actually sold any bitcoin, still.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure bits here and there in normal course of business, but that's about all.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwxCLAPKgs BIGGER BOOBS FOR ERRYONE << THANKS JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR!
assbot: Bigger boobs tutorial- Dominika Myslivcov - YouTube
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-09/russia-aims-for-top-spot-in-helium-production-as-u-s-depletes-stockpiles.html ?
assbot: Russia Set to Top Helium Supply as U.S. Sells Reserve - Bloomberg
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> H2 Airship is probably near the Platonic form of of cheap and angry << or in any case, a good rendition of a very large matchstick.
jurov: lol
mircea_popescu: "The U.S. government had a world monopoly on helium and in the mid-1930s refused to sell any to the Zeppelin Co. in Germany, which is why the Hindenburg was filled with highly-flammable hydrogen when it exploded."
mircea_popescu: good to know the us govt is in some way related to every modern atrocity.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00064114 = 17.407 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up dooglus
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mostly remarkable for "Russia, already the largest producer of crude oil and natural gas, is weighing up plans to become the biggest supplier of helium, the inert gas vital for medical scanners, welding tools and rocket fuel, as the U.S. sells reserves from storage."
thestringpuller: that's a name I haven't seen in a good while.
mircea_popescu: they burn helium nao dontchaknow. better than water.
mircea_popescu: !up agamemno123
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064114 BTC [-]