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BingoBoingo: chatroulette was basically just dicks
indiancandy1: no
ThickAsThieves: the site everyone visits once
indiancandy1: chatroulete now has a verification method so not many people use it
indiancandy1: you have to register with ur cell phone number and they send u a code on sms and
mircea_popescu: lol know your masturbator us congress legislation ?
indiancandy1: thats how you enter its to keep the pedos out
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: pedos can't get cellphones ?
indiancandy1: they was a overflow of pedofiles lurking for lil girls
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: use cell, leave gps ping.
indiancandy1: there was a big ring of pedofiles on there
mircea_popescu: now that's a disruptive service someone should do. decentralize sms identification.
mircea_popescu: like tor, but for sms.
asciilifeform: (technically not simply gps, but tower triangulation on top)
BingoBoingo: I thought most cellphones did a mix of the two
indiancandy1: well then f you get in trouble ad u call the cops and they need 2 find u how wil they find u
asciilifeform: aye
indiancandy1: its good and bad
asciilifeform: all current cell chipsets use gps+tower
BingoBoingo: I thought if you got into trouble you called the Bondsman because the cops were there
ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/07/08/dollar-backed-digital-currency-aims-to-fix-bitcoins-volatility-dilemma/
assbot: Dollar-Backed Digital Currency Aims to Fix Bitcoins Volatility Dilemma - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: brought to you by Brock Pierce
indiancandy1: i mean like if a girls being raped or something then it comes handy
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> I thought if you got into trouble you called the Bondsman because the cops were there << not everyone is from chicago.
indiancandy1: lol
BingoBoingo: You still call the Bondsman, because they actually "solve the problem"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that guy really gets things.
mircea_popescu: up his ass.
ThickAsThieves: Realcoin
ThickAsThieves: lel
asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
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BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
ThickAsThieves: "Founded by Brock Pierce, a former Disney child actor who is now a prolific bitcoin investor" ouch
indiancandy1: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/06/rolling-coal-photos-video_n_5561477.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
assbot: Political Protest Or Just Blowing Smoke? Anti-Environmentalists Are Now 'Rolling Coal'
punkman: "the first dollar-backed digital currency"
ThickAsThieves: and biggest!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves notice that's sorta started to go away ?
ThickAsThieves: "Realcoin will use a Bitcoin 2.0 software protocol known as Mastercoin" the pain!
punkman: it's not even dollars, "To ensure realcoins retain their value at one dollar, the firm will maintain a real-time record of its dollar-based reserves, all held in conservative investments"
indiancandy1: so do you think i should invest in btc
ThickAsThieves: "Asked about such a reaction, Realcoin founder Mr. Pierce said, “I’m not selling any of my bitcoins. "
ThickAsThieves: these people
ThickAsThieves: no one told them the onion was a joke?
indiancandy1: it gets me angry that i dont understand what ur talking about but i think
indiancandy1: im addicted to this place i have no reason to be here so why am i here
mircea_popescu: bitcoin 2.0 protocol mastercoin ?!
mircea_popescu: someone got indigestion.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 well, you've found the real world and now are trying to convince yourself you don't have to change to adapt to it.
Duffer1: it's worth your time to hang around
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BingoBoingo: !b 5 ✂︎
Duffer1: !up indiancandy1
decimation: re: "anti-environmentalists" << a true anti-environmentalist would construct a chumpatron to bleed environmentalist chumps
decimation: i.e. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-roadways
assbot: Solar Roadways | Indiegogo
asciilifeform: decimation: this is SOP already
asciilifeform: solar farms, windmills, etc.
asciilifeform: and anything else with -EV
decimation: "imma make you environmental technology, email me monies"
indiancandy1: duffer its worth my time
indiancandy1: ?
decimation: I suspect it's quite simple to recruit a staff of chumps to maintain the public propaganda machine too
indiancandy1: okay well wil someone atleast teach me so i understand
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 what part don't you understand ?
decimation: In case no one has seen: http://qz.com/231178/the-tragic-explosive-crash-of-a-stolen-tesla/ << some dumbfuck stole a tesla model S, rammed a pole at ~100 mph, cut the car in half; it caught fire
assbot: The tragic, explosive crash of a stolen Tesla – Quartz
mircea_popescu: wow.
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: Right now is the time for lingering reading and asking questions, understanding come later.
asciilifeform: countdown to the 'remote disable switch' advocates pushing their shit...
danielpbarron: !up colinistheman
colinistheman: Hi guys. I was invited to this chat. I posted the bitcointalk forum thread on Sonny Vleisides (BFL CEO)
mircea_popescu: hey there!
mircea_popescu: you did a nice job.
indiancandy1: omg
indiancandy1: i nearly had a heart attack
colinistheman: Thank you mircea_popescu
colinistheman: I got your message in that chat log
BingoBoingo: Hey colinistheman that was me sent the message. Love your BFL thread.
indiancandy1: my name is sofia vasiliadis
mircea_popescu: colinistheman what do you do for a living ?
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 no wai ?
indiancandy1: and i just scan read what colin said
indiancandy1: and i thought he said my name
indiancandy1: ahahh
mircea_popescu: that's some scammer guy named vleisides
indiancandy1: my heart sunk
colinistheman: I'm glad you found it helpful. I did too. A lot of good information in that court transcript.
colinistheman: I realized a lot of people wouldn't read through to find the best parts
colinistheman: mircea_popescu: By the way if you, or others want to join the class action lawsuit, it is here: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners
assbot: Butterfly Labs and BF Labs, Inc. Bitcoin Miners | Wood Law Firm
colinistheman: There are about 50 people already in on it
BingoBoingo: Well, mircea_popescu and kakobrekla 's BitBet was especially injurious to BFL last year
colinistheman: I am spreading the word
mircea_popescu: colinistheman http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/ wink
assbot: Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: ;;google BitBet BFL to deliver by February
gribble: BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B ...: <http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/>; Vote: Do you think Butterfly Labs will deliver their ASICs this ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141538.0>; BitBet, November 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/bitbet- (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/
assbot: BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 1 year 4 months ago
colinistheman: A BFL court case in Italy that went to the supreme court? very nice
colinistheman: I haven't heard of that one
mircea_popescu: only tangentially related to bfl, via the sonny bo\y.
colinistheman: mircea_popescu: to answer your question, I run www.knives4bitcoin.com
mircea_popescu: colinistheman get in the wot will you ?
colinistheman: i see
colinistheman: Oh, you wrote that :)
mircea_popescu: hm, who's into knives ?
colinistheman: a lot of people apparently
asciilifeform: re: bfl - the sad part is that the entire mining industry, afaik, is based on exactly this kind of chumpatron. and if outright take-money-and-run merits two years of parole, what does, e.g. six month deliberate 'we mine with your hardware' merit? harsh words?
colinistheman: Did you join in the woods law firm court case?
colinistheman: Actually I do not believe they are mining with our hardware. I have been following fairly closely on what is going on
colinistheman: It's very bad management and underfunded development
colinistheman: that's the out-ethics behind the scenes which is making everything late
colinistheman: the court case statements back that up
mircea_popescu: colinistheman things change over time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14702 @ 0.00078407 = 11.5274 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bfl has been a foundation backed sore eye for bitcoin since 2012
colinistheman: Perhaps in the past they mined with the hardware though
colinistheman: I would believe it
colinistheman: yes, BFL is the ASIC equivalent of MT GOX
colinistheman: it needs to be eliminated
asciilifeform: 'limited' scam always metastatizes into full blown scam.
mircea_popescu: so practically, get in the wot so i can gift someone a knife.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> wow. /// simple GS strat, spend $120k on a Tesla, short TSLA, crash it. Works every time!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves konspiraci ?
ThickAsThieves: i was counting on it!
BingoBoingo: Knives are cool.
colinistheman: I don't sell the BTC either. It's kept in BTC form
ThickAsThieves: but really there were 2 crashes and the other had most of a family die i think
colinistheman: unlike most bitpay merchants
colinistheman: I'm reading your article. Very interesting
ThickAsThieves: a plastic surgeon rear-ended a toyota
colinistheman: mircea_popescu: You had stated that my summary was useful. I'm very glad. May I ask how it assisted you?
mircea_popescu: colinistheman me personally it did not, i have people whose job it is to do these things. your summary however was quite close to mine, which is the mark of achievement.
BingoBoingo: colinistheman: I found a broken link http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/colt_knives_pocket_knife_titanium_420hc_high_carbon_ct341_camping_fishing_hunter.php
assbot: KnivesAndKnifeMaking.com - Colt Knives Pocket Knife Titanium 420HC High Carbon CT341 Camping Fishing Hunter
colinistheman: Most excellent. Yeah, I'm fairly literate and have a few brain cells to knock together
colinistheman: Thank you I will have to fix that ASAP
BingoBoingo: Hmmm... None of your product page links seem to be working for me...
ThickAsThieves: mp's plot to hide the andreas murder weapon
mircea_popescu: http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/ << this is kinda lulzy
assbot: Index of /products
mircea_popescu: they all seem broken ?
ThickAsThieves: doesnt work for me much
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 16871343199.9 based on data since last change | 17660844532.9 based on data for last three days
colinistheman: Oh wow, they're temporarily down. I re-upped the site recently.
mircea_popescu: !up site
colinistheman: try now
colinistheman: I think I just fixed up
colinistheman: *it
colinistheman: One missing file can cause a lot of probs :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo would you like one ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how about i gift you a knife ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pick something
kakobrekla: you kill babies with this ? http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/5-14in_knife_making_blade_mini_hunter_blank_custom_game_hunting_blanks_knives.php
assbot: Knives4Bitcoin.com - 5-1/4in Knife Making Blade Mini Hunter Blank Custom Game Hunting Blanks Knives
BingoBoingo: I'm really liking this. http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/colt_knives_pocket_knife_titanium_420hc_high_carbon_ct341_camping_fishing_hunter.php
assbot: Knives4Bitcoin.com - Colt Knives Pocket Knife Titanium 420HC High Carbon CT341 Camping Fishing Hunter
cazalla: indiancandy1: i would bet sexysaffron would do 100 times better than you on mfc
mircea_popescu: colinistheman how come everything's 5 bitcents ?!
colinistheman: I just have it round to the nearest 2 decimal places for sake of neatness
mircea_popescu: for that matter, bitpay says "If it seems like there should be something here, please let us know by contacting our support team."
colinistheman: otherwise it looks like a huge big number
kakobrekla: because they are all sized for keychains
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla do you like knives ?
kakobrekla: nah not really.
colinistheman: You can sort by price and see items which are more than 5 bit cents. Back to reading the article
colinistheman: beep me if needed
asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1
kakobrekla: i have a few of those swiss army knifes i got as gifts and they satisfy all my cutting needs
mircea_popescu: cazalla who're you gonna bet against lol.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lmao
indiancandy1: please dont bet me
indiancandy1: coz
indiancandy1: i do pretty well on mfc
indiancandy1: im better looking
asciilifeform: mfc << microshit foundation class?!
punkman: cam contest?
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
dub: i cut stuff
indiancandy1: it just craches on me
indiancandy1: :(
indiancandy1: crashed
mircea_popescu: dub ya but you're a global warming alarmist
indiancandy1: unless she goes further then me i dont use toys
cazalla: indiancandy1: looks don't have much to do with mfc imo
indiancandy1: and hardly show pussy either
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 im sure she does anything.
colinistheman: By the way, this may interest you, mircea_popescu. I posted the following information on BFL's forum and it got deleted. It was a detailed recording of a series of events in the Monarch production timeline. This post got deleted from their forums but I kept a backup because I knew it would. Then I was banned from the forums after providing a lawyer link to every member on BFL forums.
colinistheman: http://knives4bitcoin.com/BFL_Late_Monarch_and_How_to_Handle_it._Josh,_as_COO,_I_request_your_reply_to_this.htm
assbot: BFL Late Monarch and How to Handle it. Josh, as COO, I request your reply to this.
indiancandy1: im anti sex toys
mircea_popescu: colinistheman maybe time to make a blog ?
mircea_popescu: or maybe join an existing one. possibly mike_c may want a hard hitting research editor for btcalpha
colinistheman: It's a good idea but I don't have the time. I managed to scrap together these few things.
colinistheman: I think there would be a good market for a promoted domain and blog for BFL fraud info though.
mircea_popescu: use it or lose it.
kakobrekla: who are you trying to save?
colinistheman: jesus
kakobrekla: jesus has been saved already.
colinistheman: oh, then bfl customers
mike_c: if you do want a blog platform I'd be happy to post things for you on btcalpha with appropriate attribution.
kakobrekla: right.
BingoBoingo: No, Jesus died to save, but if you save Jesus... it would really mess with the Xtians
kakobrekla: you can rape them with evidence, they dont budge.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla fudster.
kakobrekla: i meant saved as in ctrl-s
colinistheman: True, but it increases awareness like my bitcointalk thread post did. it got over 2000 views in 5 hours
colinistheman: And I bet I got a lot more people to join the class action lawsuit
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can't help but remember orlov's point about the deer hunt
colinistheman: so I am pleased with that increased awareness and action
asciilifeform: '…we need a word that describes the artifacts generated in response to irrational actors who demand to be fooled. As the old saying goes, “A fool and his money are soon parted” – at the fool’s own insistence, no less! If the deer comes out of the forest and walks up to the hunter, it is not proper hunting, and this is not proper con artistry or grift or embezzlement or any other term we use to describe ☟︎
asciilifeform: proper works of evil. If the victim, at the sight of the economic predator, goes into doggie submission, we must stop discussing the phenomenon in terms of conflict and consider whether what we are observing might be some strange instance of symbiosis.'
kakobrekla: well, colinistheman , deer cant read.
cazalla: indiancandy1: if you are more attractive than sexysaffron, you'd make more money on mfc if you copied her enthusiasm
colinistheman: deer bought asics?
BingoBoingo: !up colinistheman
colinistheman: thx
colinistheman: why it demotes my talking ability lol
kakobrekla: you are not worthy yet.
mircea_popescu: because you're not in the wot
mircea_popescu: the wotrty.
colinistheman: Oh, i'm learning fast though
colinistheman: my wottiness is increasing
kakobrekla: so, hows the deer?
mircea_popescu: lol how do you figure ?
colinistheman: because I'm pretty badass. The wottiness is inherent really
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: this is without a doubt the weirdest reaction to a wot mention.
kakobrekla: !drown colinistheman
mircea_popescu: lol
colinistheman: Are you a writer or journalist?
mircea_popescu: kako ? he's just a cookie monster.
indiancandy1: enthusiasm for?
colinistheman: you
indiancandy1: what using sex toys
mircea_popescu: O.o
mircea_popescu: colinistheman im bitcoin's only actual billionaire.
TheNewDeal: satoshi?
kakobrekla: satoshi lost the keys.
colinistheman: 2nd billiionare i suppose then
mircea_popescu: well satoshi is virtual :D
colinistheman: have you bought bfl hardware?
mircea_popescu: nope.
cazalla: indiancandy1: to please
colinistheman: good job
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 the world belongs to the eager&willing
mircea_popescu: colinistheman there';s a whole world of scams i didn't buy into. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust kakobrekla
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 50 via 29 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
mircea_popescu: that's the wot. bitcoin's web of trust
mircea_popescu: until you register with gribble you won't be getting any.
colinistheman: That's good. In bitcoin scams are ripe for the picking
indiancandy1: but im saying u no sex toys stretch out ur pussy and im not into having a lose pussy for money
indiancandy1: i would everrrr trade that
indiancandy1: its all about tight
colinistheman: Is this your site: http://mpex.co/
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
mircea_popescu: yes.
colinistheman: cool
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 they come in sizes no ?
indiancandy1: i dont like the idea of rapeing myself
indiancandy1: id rather wank to be fair
indiancandy1: but not in public
indiancandy1: im 2 shy
colinistheman: to be a bitcoin billionaire, one would require over 1.6 million btc
colinistheman: That is more than satoshi owns, no?
mircea_popescu: colinistheman well at some point btc was 1.2k
colinistheman: ah, i see
colinistheman: well then it would be about 800,000 btc+
mircea_popescu: something like tha
colinistheman: that's kind of like the emperor of bitcoin status
mircea_popescu: mostly paper anyway.
kakobrekla: dun worry its all virtual!
kakobrekla runs
colinistheman: yeah, paper wallets.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla your running is too slo :D
asciilifeform: colinistheman: interesting site. what does one sharpen a titanium knife with ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuntanium. obviously.
mircea_popescu: DOH
colinistheman: a regular sharpening stone
colinistheman: fine grit
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo picked anything yet ?
asciilifeform looks for unobtainium blade
colinistheman: lol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think I'm going with http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/boker_trapper_pocket_knife.php
assbot: Knives4Bitcoin.com - Boker Trapper Pocket Knife
mircea_popescu: cool.
asciilifeform remembers the japanese folktale of 'the wooden wakizashi'
colinistheman: I've got 6 of those behind me lol
colinistheman: (the boker trapper)
mircea_popescu: paging fluffypony. hey f, lay off teh womenz and irc more!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't recall that one ?
asciilifeform: goes something like this. one samurai had the misfortune of breaking his wakizashi (short sword - 'sidearm.') but he was a cheapskate.
asciilifeform: replaced the blade with a wooden one.
asciilifeform: 'no one will notice.'
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: a year passes; two
asciilifeform: then comes the time when he is ordered to perform seppuku.
TheNewDeal: lol
asciilifeform: and all he's got - is a wooden knife.
BingoBoingo: Seppuku by splinter?
BingoBoingo: !up ericmuyser
colinistheman: From what I gather, sonny vleisides, carried on the scam of his father. Your article seems to touch upon this. "I came to know my real father only as an adult. So when I got the opportunity to know him better, I was eager and curious. His name was James Ray Houston:
asciilifeform: he seppukued.
asciilifeform: but it was more of a bitch than usual.
asciilifeform: lesson - don't be an arse.
colinistheman: Yeah he is dead now
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/riverwalk-a-proper-one/
colinistheman: I used to blame BFL_Josh for the poor show at BFL. Well, I still do. But Sonny is the kingpin behind the scenes. That's the real meat and potatoes crime boss
mircea_popescu: well yes.
mircea_popescu: josh is just some derp
mircea_popescu: an offensive derp, but nonetheless.
colinistheman: josh is sonny's goon
colinistheman: every crime boss has their henchmen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.03799993 = 0.57 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'la rumana' << is that a shitter?
mircea_popescu: yeah
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: :p
colinistheman: Thank you for also spreading the word on BFL. I will continue to do what I can and I'm glad it helped in any way.
colinistheman: It was good to talk to you all but I will be on my way now. Good day to you gentlemen. And don't forget your arsenal of knives :P
colinistheman: http://www.knives4bitcoin.com !
assbot: Knives4Bitcoin.com - Where You Can Trade BTC For Knives!
colinistheman: nice to meet you mircea.
indiancandy1: mircdea u have al that money shouldnt u be living in a exotic island
indiancandy1: with a bag of bitches
mircea_popescu: lol the dude just left ?!
mircea_popescu: what silliness is this!
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 who's to say i'm not ?
indiancandy1: oh mircea
indiancandy1: btw
indiancandy1: are you watching the argentina game?
BingoBoingo: Islands suck.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i watched the last 5 minutes of germany-brazil by accident
mircea_popescu: sat down in a cafe
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: He can hear it and surmise how it is going
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no actually they're not screaming atm
mircea_popescu: isn't argentina tomorrow ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah
TheNewDeal: yes it is
TheNewDeal: don't you have a decent bet on argentina ?
indiancandy1: im so happy germany won
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And you know that because people are doing their jobs atm
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal sure. gotta support the team
indiancandy1: do u speak spanish mircea
mircea_popescu: yep
TheNewDeal: haha you want to bet but aren't interested in watching the game?
cazalla: indiancandy1: do you like Germans? my oma met the fuhrer
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal the fuck do i care.
TheNewDeal: enough to bet?
kakobrekla: enough to win, dude.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i didn't actually watch the tennis chick either
mircea_popescu: happened on a rerun, also in some cafe, also last 15 minutes or so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.0007842 = 22.8986 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I rarely watch events I bet on
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
TheNewDeal: even if it's difficulty :D?
indiancandy1: i like germans
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Difficulty isn't as lucrative as betting against Serena Williams
indiancandy1: i prefer greeks though
mircea_popescu: hard to not watch difficulty.
indiancandy1: serena williams is a champ
BingoBoingo: Serena Williams loses with great predictability
mircea_popescu: that'd have been a sad typo
TheNewDeal: I was freaking out today. Just bet against the top scorer last night, then some mexican dude whips out his phone today at work and was telling me germany had 9 goals
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal lmao i can see tha
cazalla: lol
BingoBoingo: Anytime the Decimal odds on Serena Williams opponent pays under 10, Serena doesn't win. You can turn 0.1 BTC into 1 BTC that way with decent regularity.
TheNewDeal: not sure if he didn't know the english word for siete
mircea_popescu: "omfg someone got 4 ?"
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal no they had more but annulled.
TheNewDeal: whaaaaat
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: they raped that team
mircea_popescu: i don't even think this happened before, in a wc match
TheNewDeal: ridiculous
TheNewDeal: he showed me a brief clip of a brazilian person in tears
TheNewDeal: it was hilarious
mircea_popescu: if messi fals into an elevator hatch
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be 25-0 for germany
TheNewDeal: ahhaha
mircea_popescu: the problem of mono teams.
BingoBoingo: I hope for an Argentina Germany final where the only players to survive the jerkoff pregame festivities are Messi and Klose
TheNewDeal: if you can make it that far, it doesn't really matter
cazalla: it'll go to a shootout where messi misses and germany wins
TheNewDeal: ill bet you on that
TheNewDeal: ;)
cazalla: what odds
cazalla: on just a shootout
decimation: asciilifeform: you can watch the loud australian guy teardown an $18k 20ghz spectrum analyzer made by agilent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QBFIfKlvHU
assbot: EEVblog #470 - Agilent N9344C 20GHz Spectrum Analyser Teardown - YouTube
decimation: the us still makes very high quality stuff, you just have to pay golden toliet prices to get it
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mircea_popescu: decimation lmao guy wants to play with spring
mircea_popescu: wtf, not turned on ?
mircea_popescu: how do i know it's the actual thing if he doesn';t sample anything with it first ?
decimation: heh that's a good point
mircea_popescu: embeded windows ?!
mircea_popescu: this guy isn't very smart is he.
decimation: heh well it's actually a fair guess for agilent
decimation: they are famous for making $20k test equipment that runs windows xp
mircea_popescu: the smart comment was re "some processors or something but we don't care about that"
mircea_popescu: what interests him are the fully machined aluminum blocks.
mircea_popescu: i mean...
decimation: heh yeah for him the computer is the uninteresting part, he cares about the rf parts hehe
decimation: yeah
decimation: I think his past experience was as a pcb designer
decimation: so that's what he focuses on, the board construction
mircea_popescu: yeah i see it.
decimation: there are some interesting design choices (some he points out, some he doesn't). as ascii would say, figuring out the details is an excercise for the alert reader
mircea_popescu: yea im watching it
mircea_popescu: why don't they have insulant between the two modules is beyond me.
decimation: 3e8 m/s / 20 GHz = 15 mm wavelength at 20 Ghz - that's why you see all the esoteric shielding
mircea_popescu: air is dielectric, ok, but wouldn't some paste fare better ?
indiancandy1: mircea im in love with you ☟︎
indiancandy1: becuase your so bizare
indiancandy1: i think your related to vladmire
mircea_popescu: how am i bizarre!
TheNewDeal: but he only impales women
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal what's an asshole in the dark.
TheNewDeal: lol
decimation: the system is complex, it needs to separate the RF portion from the computer portion, and also conduct heat. I suspect compromises were made between the competing priorities
BingoBoingo: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=188
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indiancandy1: do you not think you are?
mircea_popescu: decimation hence the paste comment
mircea_popescu: air odesn't conduct.
indiancandy1: mircea do you eat alot of garlic
mircea_popescu: i do actually.
indiancandy1: i knew it
mircea_popescu: smells that bad eh ?
asciilifeform: decimation: i 'tore down' a $300k robot. big whoop.
asciilifeform: decimation: if you can reassemble the thing later, it's like it never happened.
mircea_popescu: i tore down a trabant engine
decimation: yeah, I can reasonably guaruntee that for 20 GHz equipment, it's not like it never happened (for this guy)
mircea_popescu: exactly
decimation: he does point out "well it will probably have to be recalibrated"
mircea_popescu: tightly packed handled mass produced electronics like these...
asciilifeform: decimation: shield design, note, is quite like mine. (and everyone else's!) i'd love to have the machined aluminum cavity, though. but cost.
decimation: heh yeah that's what I was thinking.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform our pricepoint is not 30k
asciilifeform: haha yeah
mircea_popescu: something tells me that if it were, you';d bitch about machined silver
decimation: if you want quality that's what you pay
decimation: you can probably buy a "spectrum analyzer" for $1k new
asciilifeform: decimation: my chicom dirtscope has one built in. but, have to understand limits of the instrument.
asciilifeform: (whether 200 or 200k)
indiancandy1: romanians love garlic
indiancandy1: there is a restaurant in harlesden
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
decimation: these guys will make you machined aluminium: http://www.ponoko.com/make-and-sell/materials/ponoko-united-states?kind=Metal&mode=materials
assbot: Ponoko - United States - Materials Catalog - Ponoko
indiancandy1: a romanian one and all there food is garlicy when u sweat does it smell like garlic?
decimation: from 40 mil sheets
mircea_popescu: i mostly eat it with italian food.
asciilifeform: decimation: i bet the thing still uses staggered (out of phase) multiple ADC, though
indiancandy1: do you cook?
asciilifeform: afaik nobody makes a 20GHz adc.
decimation: oh I doubt it's 20 ghz instantaneous bandwidth
decimation: it probably has a ~100 mhz swept receiver
mircea_popescu: yes i cook.
asciilifeform: and i should add that 18k usd is cheap for a laboratory instrument.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this looks like a field instrument.
asciilifeform: a miserable little spectrophotometer (every bio lab on the planet) runs about 50k.
decimation: yeah this is one of those portable deals. You can give agilent at least 2-3x that for a high quality lab grade spectrum analyzer
mircea_popescu: brb
decimation: asciilifeform - but to your point about bio stuff - that's probably why agilent is keeping the agilent name for the bio side of the new company
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asciilifeform: agilent is just the old hp instrument division, spun off
decimation: I know, but they are going to spinoff again
decimation: "keysight technologies" will be the name of the new test&measurement division
decimation: "agilent" is going to go to the bio-bezzle company
decimation: in a proper technology company you would keep your high-end engineers busy building esoteric stuff, while their knowledge & expertise trickles down to other areas
asciilifeform: also note that the machined cavity is SOP in military electronics
decimation: pretty much anything miniaturized & high spec RF
decimation: http://www.agilent.com/about/companyinfo/company-separation.html
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decimation: I wish I had access to a high spec metal mill
asciilifeform: i see nothing in there that couldn't be milled on an ordinary desktop cnc machine.
BingoBoingo: Fuck cnc. If you can't mill it with a Bastard File it isn't worth it.
dignork: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPyE29ABmoA
assbot: Baggage X-Ray machine teardown Part 1 - YouTube
decimation: I guess it depends which bit you used
asciilifeform: gotta love the 'bodge wire' (patch.) ~25 min. in film.
indiancandy1: when are you going 2 cook for me mircia
indiancandy1: im coming over to ur house
decimation: ascii did you use your laser cutter to make solder masks?
asciilifeform: decimation: nope. pcb made at actual factory.
decimation: like the plastic that you put over the board so you can apply the solder paste?
asciilifeform: decimation: at present time, i apply the paste with a pump. tried plastic templates (laser cut), wasn't satisfied.
asciilifeform: my tube (40 watt) won't cut steel.
decimation: yeah I guess a proper solder template is made of metal
asciilifeform: decimation: not only this - but you need a fairly costly 'printing press' to apply the paste evenly through the gasket.
decimation: on the youtubes people just use a squeegie
decimation: it looks half-ass though
decimation: actually the best solution is probably a wave-soldering machine
asciilifeform: for smt?!
decimation: I think you typically glue the components down first
asciilifeform: good recipe for failure
asciilifeform: tension on the pads
decimation: yeah I guess if they aren't tight you are going to get alot of cold joints
asciilifeform: you get parts that fall off x years later.
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decimation: heh yeah the a/d converter next to the 'bodge wires' is only 40 MHz 12-bit
asciilifeform: decimation: same as on my chinese scope!
decimation: heh yeah, most of what you pay for is in the tracking oscillator
asciilifeform: student project idea
asciilifeform: take the agilent scope, and fly it to north korea
asciilifeform: see if it boots up after.
decimation: heh you mean the gps?
decimation: would be amusing
decimation: you don't have to go to north korea: can simulate gps signal: http://www.labsat.co.uk/index.php/en/
assbot: LabSat - GPS Simulator, GPS Signal Generator
asciilifeform: doesn't have to be gps proper.
asciilifeform: there are other ways to figure out that you're 'far from kansas.'
decimation: what's interesting is how modular and easy to take apart this agilent device is
decimation: it would be fairly straightforward to disassemble & repair, unlike macbook air for example
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i see nothing in there that couldn't be milled on an ordinary desktop cnc machine. << this.
mircea_popescu: unless you're making rifles or something, you don't need it.
asciilifeform: pashtuns make perfectly normal kalash with hand file
asciilifeform: like BingoBoingo.
decimation: or titanium knives
asciilifeform: but go make the die for shells with file.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> heh yeah the a/d converter next to the 'bodge wires' is only 40 MHz 12-bit << wtf. so 20ghz is a scam ?
asciilifeform: same 'scam' as my 100mhz scope
asciilifeform: take N independent adc, and stagger the sampling phases
mircea_popescu: but they claim to be differen
mircea_popescu: which'd be the scam.
mircea_popescu: what, they use 500 of the things ?!
asciilifeform: lower noise, cleaner stagger.
mircea_popescu: nowai.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but go make the die for shells with file. << women, diamond dust, fingers.
mircea_popescu: look at some of the examples of ancient gemcutting, you'll be impressed.
asciilifeform: gem cutters cheat
decimation: it's not really an oscilloscope, doesn't need to have 20 ghz of bandwidth
asciilifeform: because crystals cleave on symmetry plane.
mircea_popescu: !up felipelalli
decimation: it makes an image of the spectrum, sampled over a period of time
decimation: typically you sweep from low to high frequencies of interest
mircea_popescu: decimation i thought the claim was 20ghz of bw
mircea_popescu: maybe im confused.
decimation: nah, not instantaneous
asciilifeform: 20ghz is easy. 20ghz where you aren't simply picking up harmonics from your own logic - hard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amorpous metal will process similarly, just takes longer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: women, wire, electrolyte. electrolytic deposition - with pencil!
decimation: yeah that's why all the shielding (preventing logic spurious signals)
asciilifeform: note (e.g. at 47 minutes) the pcb-as-passive-component trick
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asciilifeform: http://youtu.be/1QBFIfKlvHU?t=49m56s << artist!
assbot: EEVblog #470 - Agilent N9344C 20GHz Spectrum Analyser Teardown - YouTube
mircea_popescu: mike_c losing all our monyz
decimation: hehe yeah those "pcb waveguide" filters are awesome
decimation: agilent still has a few "greybeards" who know RF
mike_c: nah, i seeded with MPIF funds :D
asciilifeform: decimation: not necessarily. usually these patterns are crapped out by software.
decimation: plus vast sums invested in engineering simulation software
decimation: yeah hehe
decimation: I think agilent makes "genesis" which does exactly this
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He's up like 0.001
mircea_popescu: aok
BingoBoingo: For now
decimation: the max "resolution bandwidth" for the device is only 3 MHz, that's the width of its filter as it tracks over 20 GHz
mircea_popescu: micro sd slot ?
decimation: re: pashtun kalashnikovs : http://www.isegoria.net/2011/02/obsolete-weapons/
assbot: Obsolete Weapons « Isegoria
decimation: the sd slot is probably to store pretty pictures of the spectrum you capture
mircea_popescu: so "attention to detail" agilent is full of random wires lol
asciilifeform: doubt the bodges are in the analogue nets
mircea_popescu: decimation since not populated nor intended to open i imagined it's factory diagnosis ?
asciilifeform: likely contents of sd: fpga bitstreams
asciilifeform: (firmware)
decimation: yeah I just saw what you were talking about, the one in the middle of the board is to load new firmware
decimation: yeah
decimation: that way they don't have to slow down assembly line with firmware burner
decimation: plus it is simple to field upgrade
mircea_popescu: makes sense
mircea_popescu has learned a lot this past half hour
decimation: yeah this video is unusally good for this guy, usually he just rambles at the camera for an hour rather than showing the goods
asciilifeform: serious lab instruments usually look quite like this on inside.
asciilifeform: it is only a surprise to folks who were never left alone with them
asciilifeform: (and screwdriver)
decimation: computers could be built this way, if people were willing to pay for it
asciilifeform: were, in fact.
asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Minuteman_guidance_computer_(1).jpg
asciilifeform: ^ first 'computer' my university got.
mircea_popescu: ceramic composite gasket ?
decimation: heh yeah that's the autonetics deal
asciilifeform: notice exactly same style of machined cavity, gasket, board.
asciilifeform: plus shock mounts
asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Autonetics_D-17.JPG
asciilifeform: ^ moar
decimation: probably could withstand 50 g shock
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asciilifeform: for anyone overcome with urges, there's an emulator somewhere, if i recall.
mircea_popescu: yup
decimation: heh thru-hole parts with hand-drawn pcbs
mircea_popescu: someone leave him the comment he asks for ?
mircea_popescu: ahaha solder reinforced dead trace ?
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decimation: on the guy's forum someone talks about the bodge wires: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-470-agilent-n9344c-20ghz-spectrum-analyser-teardown/msg233302/#msg233302
assbot: EEVblog #470 - Agilent N9344C 20GHz Spectrum Analyser Teardown - Page 3
decimation: " It's not unusual for the first couple of units to have components changed by designers who are not expert solderers just to prove that the mod works as intended. Once everyone is happy then some of these units become demo models, "
decimation: this was probably a demo unit, if the agilent sales guys gave it to him
decimation: I can't find any comments about the gaskets, youtube sucks
asciilifeform: the gaskets are usually 'mu metal'
asciilifeform: ;;google mu metal
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mircea_popescu: this is why if i managed him i'd only take final customer items.
asciilifeform: the dissector fellow ought to have known this.
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decimation: I suspect the gaskets are something like this http://www.chomerics.com/products/emi/gaskets/wovenwires/index.html
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BingoBoingo: Futbol would be a lot more interesting if the World Cup's championship game was just Klose and Messi taking shots from the goal line for 90 minutes
decimation: I think the mu-metal is used to line the outer plastic chassis
asciilifeform: decimation: looked solid in the film.
decimation: yeah, it did
mircea_popescu: diametric not bad. i like your guy better than the agilent guy
mircea_popescu: uh i mean dignork :p
dignork: mircea_popescu: but x-ray!
BingoBoingo: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-34T4FnOKEys/U7moV_bQg9I/AAAAAAAAEMM/OX7469hRnH8/s1600/conc.jpg
mircea_popescu: What was not noticed much outside of Afghanistan, was that this shift in weaponry brought to an end a long Afghan tradition of precision, long range shooting.
asciilifeform: old debate about bolt action vs. auto rifle is old...
mircea_popescu: this is bs. unless chinese made, a proper ak probably outshoots a worn-to-shit ww2 surplus bolt action
asciilifeform: around here, most bolt action enthusiasts own 'mosin' - in virginal conditionl.
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
decimation: not if you are 600 yards away
mircea_popescu: try shooting a ww1 rifle once
asciilifeform: russia produced millions of them, and they can be had in original crate (!) for about 100 usd.
mircea_popescu: a daisy's got better accuracy
mircea_popescu: decimation "the half dozen or so men moved several hundred meters away and drew lots to see who would fire in what order."
mircea_popescu: 2-3 even 400.
decimation: afghanistan is the ideal long-distance shooting country
mircea_popescu: in that sense they need sniper rifles not frigging enfields.
decimation: well sure, but they have $100 to spend on pashtoon ak or enfield :)
asciilifeform: russia still fields mosins for sniper use
asciilifeform: naturally, 'massaged' mosins, not the usual surplus market
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decimation: this guy on the UK side was having a field day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Harrison_%28sniper%29
mircea_popescu: cazalla the disadvantage of running a neobee is that you get the "no news" people on your case
mircea_popescu: and gotta keep pumping them "news"
asciilifeform: lol re: baggage machine. used to push my knapsack through this exact type of box every morning.
asciilifeform: also mega-lol re: 3rd comment on film.
asciilifeform: 1nn0c3nt l1v3s!
cazalla: mircea_popescu: there is a new exchange here in au, cointree.com.au, i emailed and invited them here, they were happy to meet for coffee or do a google hangout but no show here :\
dignork: the guy made a long film out of it, but he managed to turn it on, and then was brave/stupid enough to disassemble particle emitter
mircea_popescu: dignork o wow he did that ?
mircea_popescu: what do trhese things use, high voltage diode ?
asciilifeform: xray tube hasn't really changed since it was discovered.
decimation: most good engineers would have alot of trouble figuring out circuitry from an xray (in a short timeframe)
mircea_popescu: tungsten/rhenium ?
decimation: now imagine what kind of chance the average airport mouthbreather has to figure things out
asciilifeform: aye, whack a tungsten target with electron. bremsstrahlung!
decimation: nah, use scotch tape
asciilifeform tried to build the famous scotch tape xray
asciilifeform: hard to get detector that is sensitive enough
mircea_popescu: lol
decimation: http://www.nature.com/news/2008/012345/full/news.2008.1185.html
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asciilifeform: that one.
asciilifeform: love how they eventually admitted that it was a '50s russian discovery
asciilifeform: but, 'remastered!'
decimation: Yeah I bet you need a good vaccuum too
dignork: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ffx5eX39E
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decimation: I was reading about the history of computers the other day ascii - early soviet machines were balance ternary!
asciilifeform: decimation: yes.
decimation: I find that amusing, perhaps when the 'end of moore' comes, ternary computers will reappear
mircea_popescu: what killed it ?
asciilifeform: http://archive.today/kxP9k
assbot: Online Emulation of Soviet Ternary Computer Setun / rinary
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i might have mentioned this once, long ago. what killed? the decision to copy american machines to run warez.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: all native russian work on computing was nixed
decimation: and the american machines were already "new jersey" style
asciilifeform: ternary cpu was not only space-efficient (closer to 'e', more compact arithmetic representation) but considerably simplified arithm. circuits.
asciilifeform: no need for 'complements'
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_computer
assbot: Ternary computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There are still WWI era Springfields that are in nice shape, but with the Enfields... "British Industry" producers of fine cars that have a commonality with puppies in their leaving of puddles
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decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_ternary "Donald Knuth has pointed out that truncation and rounding are the same operation in balanced ternary ? they produce exactly the same result (a property shared with other balanced numeral systems). "
assbot: Balanced ternary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: yes.
decimation: it's actually quite elegant, rids you of the need to come up with some silly signed integer representation
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55z_0BYb5is
assbot: Wierd military computer boards - YouTube
asciilifeform: ^ re: mil-style board construction
BingoBoingo still dreams of "spider shotgun" shooting sub 0.1 grams of salt
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'ratshot'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ratshot fucks up drywall
asciilifeform: exists, saw in catalogue not long ago.
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asciilifeform: incl. plastic variant
BingoBoingo: Plastic ratshot still messes drywall. Also... I want it for the challenge. Not smashing spiders with a weapon capable of felling a snake
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 100mW diode laser.
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decimation: wonder how many backyard warriors are planning on killing the neighbor's kids while "defending" their home with an ak?
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nubbins`: i saw a video earlier of a 3d-printed composting shredder
BingoBoingo: Blackbag operation against the groundhog stealling all of the soon to be tomatoes last week was satisfying
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decimation: ascii those military boards you linked are apparently from a VAX!
asciilifeform: decimation: 'minuteman' and many other american products still run on vax (in their 'modernized' variants!)
BingoBoingo: Vaxocentrism 4 Lyfe!!!
decimation: yeah, the amount of extra work you have to go through to meet mil-spec for avionics, etc, why bother changing software?
asciilifeform: vax forever because... alternative is: winblows.
asciilifeform: (why? ask them - not me)
decimation: http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=118887
assbot: 404 - File or directory not found.
BingoBoingo: Spac isn't bad either before Sparc III
decimation: "The Defense Department has leveraged the buying power of more than two million information technology users to award a three-year, $617 million joint enterprise license agreement for Microsoft products, defense officials announced."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31476 @ 0.00077871 = 24.5107 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/dougmillsnyt/statuses/486698576630669312
assbot: Twitter / dougmillsnyt: Obama reacts as he is greeted ...
decimation: the DoD was very clever in its spending of $0.6 billion for crapware
decimation: if only they would have seen the value they would have also purchased whatsapp for $20bn
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8324 @ 0.00078138 = 6.5042 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: decimation: And you suppose Facebook isn't a front how?
decimation: http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks tells you all you need to know about facebook
assbot: Facebook CEO Admits To Calling Users 'Dumb Fucks'
nubbins`: horse heads
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/riverwalk-a-proper-one/#comment-102409
assbot: Riverwalk. A proper one. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/07/08/smallpox_discovered_old_laboratory_produces_surprising_find.html
assbot: Smallpox discovered: Old laboratory produces surprising find.
BingoBoingo: !up peterl
peterl: hi
BingoBoingo: halo
BingoBoingo: !up crypto___
BingoBoingo: !up nam-shub
BingoBoingo: !up shandid
BingoBoingo: !up akstunt600
shandid: hey
BingoBoingo: Hello shandid
BingoBoingo: What brings you here
mircea_popescu: <decimation> "The Defense Department has leveraged the buying power << lmao
mircea_popescu: looks like i owe stan a beer nao
mircea_popescu: any strippers in washington dc wanna do a home delivery ?
TheNewDeal: mememe
asciilifeform: i'll pick up mein bier in person soon enough.
mircea_popescu: bring the strippers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00077757 = 13.2187 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Looks like I could do it round trip of a bit over 24 hours on I-70
benkay: <mike_c> can anybody recommend an irc bouncer. // emacs + mosh on remote boxx
mike_c: thx. i don't know anything about emacs yet.
benkay: it's okay for editing text
asciilifeform: emacs is life
BingoBoingo: Life seems to be in a precarious position, once again thanks to life bombs launching damaging spaceships
benkay: mostly it's just a lispy wrapper around *nix runtime
benkay: whoa asciilifeform getting all religious
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 38.06780078 BTC. Current weight: 6,304.
asciilifeform: life in literal sense. little oasis in a parched desert of dry turd.
benkay: more like semi sanitizing wrapper
benkay: poo stench still oozes through
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.035 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: BingoBoingo: you got a position?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Just a little bit on death, less a bit on life
asciilifeform: benkay: stench still oozes through << of course.
thestringpuller: emacs is lame. vim 4 lyfe
mircea_popescu uses nano and what is this
TheNewDeal: who is 16tao
TheNewDeal: 16tAo
asciilifeform: lives there a man who doesn't use nano? (or, 'pico' ?)
asciilifeform: Breathes there the man, with soul so dead, / Who never to himself hath said, / This is my own, my native shell! / Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd, / As home his footsteps he hath turn'd, / From wandering on a winblows hell!
asciilifeform: (apologies to sir walter scott)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00078049 = 9.0927 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16776 @ 0.00078138 = 13.1084 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not bad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18324 @ 0.00078498 = 14.384 BTC [+]
kyuupichan: TheNewDeal: I believe it's kako, but I could be wrong
kyuupichan: Why?
TheNewDeal: it's an address I see lots while scowering bitbet for my latest fortune
kyuupichan: Someone who's close to MP at any rate
TheNewDeal: wasn't sure if it was MP himself
TheNewDeal: was looking at this
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/991/argentina-beats-netherlands/
assbot: BitBet - Argentina beats Netherlands :: 50.07 B (60%) on Yes, 32.96 B (40%) on No | closing in 19 hours 35 minutes | weight: 28`366 (100`000 to 10`000)
kyuupichan: haha, that's a possibility, but I think he normally uses 1K4fs (or sthg similar)
kyuupichan: 1K4Fs
TheNewDeal: which is basically 50 1K4fs vs 32.335 16tAo
TheNewDeal: plus some chump change
kyuupichan: Right. Notice they were placed at the same time - making it highly likely they knew each other were going to bet. There was no public discussion. Hence my suspicion it's kako.
TheNewDeal: assuming 16tAo is kako, and 1K4fs is mp, how much does each make in the winning/losing scenario
kyuupichan: A shitload :)
TheNewDeal: how much would one recover from the losing side, considering they owned a large portion of bitbet shares?
mike_c: 1% * (percentage they don't own) - expenses.
mike_c: negligible
mike_c: er, * percentage they do own i mean
mike_c: still, very little.
TheNewDeal: true, looks like it would 1% or less of original bet
kyuupichan: Between them they own most of bitbet meaning they almost bet for free
TheNewDeal: i guess that's pretty fair
TheNewDeal: not that I have a say in the matter :D
decimation: asciilifeform: I've been using org-mode recently, it is definitely a useful tool
mthreat: mircea_popescu: i thought you'd like this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/10550867_10204346767814371_6414089052882239487_n.jpg
mthreat: mircea_popescu: it's a mannequin at a restaurant (Filo) in retiro
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00078155 = 14.7713 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00078446 = 16.4737 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.7998 BTC for No on "Bitstamp Price to exceed 900$ before August (day's low)" http://bitbet.us/bet/814/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.4097083 BTC. Current weight: 19,659.
[]bot: Bet placed: 59.99631592 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 612.76560806 BTC. Current weight: 37,560.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00078155 = 9.066 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00078043 = 14.7111 BTC [-] {2}
kyuupichan: TheNewDeal: Your 1Q9Q6 no?
kyuupichan: You're
TheNewDeal: yes
kyuupichan: heh
TheNewDeal: if you would like to purchase some timeweight from me, give me a holler
kyuupichan: Why do you reuse the address? Just curious.
TheNewDeal: that address is pretty much bitbets
TheNewDeal: don't feel the need to change it up often
kyuupichan: I guess it's useful for stats. Not very private though which is why I wondered why people do it. Maybe they just don't care.
TheNewDeal: pretty much what you said there
kyuupichan: I wonder what it'd take to get BTC to 10k by 29 Nov. World financial crisis perhaps?
TheNewDeal: I don't think financial crises necessarily means boom for bitcoin
TheNewDeal: I think you would probably just need a bitstamp like company to go Mt Gox, have a bunch of fishy shit go down, and the other exchanges follow the lead
Duffer1: wall street level speculation imo
kyuupichan: 10k is quite a tall order in 5 mths though.
kyuupichan: 5k by y/e is far more likely IMO
Duffer1: they'll price it at whatever the hell they want
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9249 @ 0.00078446 = 7.2555 BTC [+]
kyuupichan: Lloyd Blankfein turns believer and publicly puts $100m in BTC.
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/989/bitcoin-to-win-vs-s-p-500/ this bet is very interesting to me
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to win vs S&P 500 :: 0.73 B (63%) on Yes, 0.43 B (37%) on No | closing in 6 months 5 days | weight: 97`197 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: S&P 500 is sitting at a fragile 1900 at the moment
kyuupichan: Yeah I think equities are looking a bit toppy
TheNewDeal: s&p is an index
kyuupichan: Still I don't think BTC goes to over $2k this year now. I'd be happy with 1500
kyuupichan: Yup I know
TheNewDeal: ahhh gotcha, I guess there is a grey area with indicies of equities
TheNewDeal: I would love to see it go towards $1500 this year, but I think next year is going to be a big one pricewise
TheNewDeal: for some reason I think this year is going to be meh
kyuupichan: Well the first 6 months have been pretty "meh". :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.0007849 = 24.3319 BTC [+] {2}
kyuupichan: I wonder if we'll ever be down year-on-year
TheNewDeal: good buying opportunities :).
TheNewDeal: I think the mt cox fiasco really messed with the price, wouldn't be surprised if we were sub 1200 by years end
Duffer1: the derp money ran face first into the bitcointalk securities scam wall
Duffer1: + mt gox
TheNewDeal: seems like that is going to happen a dozen times over
Duffer1: infinite hitpoints indeed
Duffer1: if bitcoin wants a capital draw then it will probably be porn and gambling leading the way
Duffer1: and drugs
TheNewDeal: well
TheNewDeal: I also heard the black market of employment is increasing at a faster rate than that of typical tax-payer employment
nubbins`: underground economy ftw
nubbins`: wow, still authed
TheNewDeal: wouldn't be too far-fetched to see people being paid in bitcoin, avoiding government taxation
TheNewDeal: that's the term I was looking for
TheNewDeal: wonder if the first underground economy was above ground or below
Duffer1: that would be hard to make auditproof without trustworthy mixing services
nubbins`: TheNewDeal, that's already happening all the time ;(
TheNewDeal: why the tears nubbins'?
nubbins`: something in my eye
nubbins`: but anyway. great for unregistered businesses
TheNewDeal: great for the bitcoin economy. simply amazing
Duffer1: ah ya no doubt
nubbins`: registered ones w/ employees probably aren't just going to start paying salaries with bitcoin and stop deducting income tax
nubbins`: that's a bit silly
TheNewDeal: too much work
nubbins`: too much risk
TheNewDeal: indeed
nubbins`: however, businesses that are directly involved in btc
nubbins`: different story
TheNewDeal: gotta head to bed, but I'll leave you with this. Child-porn sniffing dawgs http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/07/08/329501226/police-use-dog-to-find-memory-hard-drives-in-search?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20140708
assbot: Police Use Dog To Find Memory And Hard Drives In Search : The Two-Way : NPR
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00078043 = 5.5411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40233 @ 0.00077679 = 31.2526 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.000775 = 7.905 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:paging fluffypony. hey f, lay off teh womenz and irc more! <- he says at 1am :-P
fluffypony: actually that knives4bitcoin site is kinda cool, I'm just not in the market for anything atm
fluffypony: pity they don't have Fallkniven or Benchmade
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.0007522 = 20.4222 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00075652 = 2.7613 BTC [+] {2}
kyuupichan: Is the leverage on bitfinex mostly long or short or pretty balanced?
cazalla: wow, sexysaffron already removed from youtube, i bet you andreas did this
cazalla: someone should, you know, kill him
pankkake: lol
pankkake: the video was public, with nudity. duh
cazalla: yeah but they usually last longer
cazalla: ISIS videos have been on there for weeks
ThickAsThieves: <+kyuupichan> Is the leverage on bitfinex mostly long or short or pretty balanced? //// there's a meter on the site
ThickAsThieves: https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/stats
kyuupichan: ThickAsThieves: Cheers!
kyuupichan: andreas who?
cazalla: exactly
ThickAsThieves: kyuupichan see also http://www.bfxdata.com/
assbot: Bitfinex Swaps USD
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "it's gonna be 25-0 for germany" <<< implying netherlands won't buttraep argentina :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 59 @ 0.01609989 = 0.9499 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01448 = 0.724 BTC [-]
davout: mpex.co down for everyone ?
fluffypony: http://isup.me/mpex.co
davout: isup.me is down for me :D
davout: fluffypony: so is mpex down for you smartass?
fluffypony: yes
fluffypony: and it's down for isup
pankkake: $proxies
empyex: pankkake: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ http://mpex.co/
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
fluffypony: http://cheezburger.com/8247736320
assbot: Ukrainian Astronomers Officially Name a Star "Putin is a D-ckhead" - Cheezburger
davout: yeah, proxy down too
davout: e-mail interface would be neat-o
davout: wat, no wait it's up
davout: :D
pankkake: I was thinking of e-mail interface, it seemed ideal. except you'd probably want to set an expiration for the order
davout: pankkake: that for one, also linking orders to responses would be another issue
davout: that's actually the kind of interface i was thinking about when trying to figure out how to handle DDoS without cloudflare
pankkake: http://cr.yp.to/immhf/thread.html
davout: pankkake: interesting thanks!
fluffypony: eugh, new Blackberry Passport is fugly: http://cdn.redmondpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/New-BB-devices.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.20278397 = 10.1392 BTC [+] {9}
FabianB: $mpexlag
FabianB: "12:49 <+davout> e-mail interface would be neat-o" <-- looks like the irc interface is down as well, so it's probably not the frontend server, it's the trade engine itself
empyex: FabianB: Hmm.. error.
kakobrekla: email interface is up afaik
kakobrekla: only its manual.
kakobrekla: <pankkake> I was thinking of e-mail interface, it seemed ideal. except you'd probably want to set an expiration for the order < yeah i was thinking same yesterday
kakobrekla: but in my case ill just skip that.
kakobrekla: i think.
pankkake: skip expiration?
pankkake: the issue is that mails can sometimes be stuck for days
kakobrekla: yeah true that. only im not using email. but still, same thing applies
los_pantalones: http://imgur.com/Vi5a6jf
assbot: Some dude in r/soccer made the best bet of his life - Imgur
fluffypony: those odds
fluffypony: that is nuts
kakobrekla: but i was thinking in a sense - you submit your order via whatever protocol and there is some delay to response or it may never come
kakobrekla: basically regardless of which protocol you pick these things can happen
mircea_popescu: davout what's netherlands, like a team or something ?
kakobrekla: so i guess giving it an expiration date fixes this in most if not all cases
kakobrekla: but it complicates it somewhat.
pankkake: the other advantage is that you can wait for the return… and give up waiting after expiration
kakobrekla: mpex model is to requery stat and hope to see if its in
pankkake: lol
mircea_popescu: Confirmed bets: 11000
davout: pankkake: because answer got lost on the way
davout: mebbe
kakobrekla: yeah but i can see how time sync can also be problematic
pankkake: hm, right, you cannot be sure of that too
davout: mircea_popescu: they're the guys who give the balls to robben
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/991/argentina-beats-netherlands/
assbot: BitBet - Argentina beats Netherlands :: 50.07 B (60%) on Yes, 32.96 B (40%) on No | closing in 11 hours 28 minutes | weight: 20`762 (100`000 to 10`000)
mircea_popescu: they're not doing so hawt :p
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan: Right. Notice they were placed at the same time - making it highly likely they knew each other were going to bet. There was no public discussion. Hence my suspicion it's kako. << kako only has 31.35 btc.
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: mthreat haha not bad. is it a girl or a boy tho ?
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan: I wonder what it'd take to get BTC to 10k by 29 Nov. World financial crisis perhaps? << lol. no, actually, any one of about a million or so people could do it today.
mircea_popescu: buy 1mn worth of btc three-four times, it's done.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: they'll price it at whatever the hell they want << haven't managed it so far, no. if only it were that easy.
mircea_popescu: so it seems we're having further problems with teh disks.
mircea_popescu: o lovely disks ;/
thestringpuller: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad
assbot: Potato Salad by Zack Danger Brown — Kickstarter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 66 @ 0.01621653 = 1.0703 BTC [+] {4}
kakobrekla: hm, internets say theres liek 7mio millionaire households in usa alone
kakobrekla: half a mio of them in tokyo
davout: germany scoring 7 goals against brazil isn't that bad
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well yes but someone can't put all their net worth into btc.
mircea_popescu: for one thing they still need a house.
davout: they won 6 million to zero against israel back in the day
mircea_popescu: davout israel.
kakobrekla: i did it. apart from the liver.
ThickAsThieves: Zack Danger is like, fuck, i gotta mail so many bites of potato salad...
kakobrekla: should have done the liver too.
mircea_popescu: so then you;'d have had over 33 bitcoinz ?
kakobrekla: uhum
kyuupichan: kako's gonna be 50 coinz richer soon
mircea_popescu: livers for the whole fambly!
kakobrekla: all i can say it isnt me. which is also what i would say if i wanted to you think it isnt me. so whatever.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: just a random note, isnt the bitbet website kinda small, by today's resolution/monitor standards?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I'll bet he gets into trouble with some countries for trying to import food to them
ThickAsThieves: i just realized ive had it zoomed way in, cuz the WoL ad is all blurry
pankkake: I have a narrow browser, because it's easier to read
pankkake: those 1920 screens are stupid :/
ThickAsThieves: theyre also why i canty stand left-aligned websites
kyuupichan: kakobrekla: lol
ThickAsThieves: how come no one right aligns?
ThickAsThieves: racists
kakobrekla: terrorist.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just use punkman's gui
mircea_popescu: websites are for poor people.
ThickAsThieves: how is bitbet sposed to be the furst biggest if so small?
davout: kakobrekla: no actually the terrorists do right align
ThickAsThieves: to be fair i have more than half my websites zoomed in
ThickAsThieves: mp told me to care for my eyes
pankkake: funny how many hipsters' websites have big fonts, yet those guys are young with big glasses
kakobrekla: davout yes that is being implied
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: I use NoSquint, configurable zoom per website
FabianB: $mpexlag
ThickAsThieves: chrome remembers the zoom too mostly
kakobrekla: pankkake do you zoom bitbet?
fluffypony: NoSquirt?
kakobrekla: fluffypony thats the result yea
fluffypony: :-P
pankkake: no, never felt the need to zoom it
mircea_popescu: FabianB it's been down for a while. working on it.
pankkake: though it definitively is easier on the eyes with 110% text-only zoom
kyuupichan: Public Note: bitcoin is harmful ponzi scheme, it will collapse soon, satoshi nakamoto is devil.
kyuupichan: lol
empyex: FabianB: Hmm.. error.
FabianB: mircea_popescu: kk
kyuupichan: Why TF does bitstamp put all their coins in one huge address? Doesn't seem the smartest plan.
kyuupichan: It's ironic the two largest BTC addresses are coins held in custody for others
kakobrekla: nowhere does it say they are smart.
pankkake: why would more addresses be more secure?
kakobrekla: i checked the faq.
pankkake: what's the other largest address?
kyuupichan: DPR seized coins
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> why would more addresses be more secure? << one address can't be in two wallets.
kakobrekla: eh?
ThickAsThieves: this is bound to be a circular debate
mircea_popescu: well that wasn't the best way to say it.
mircea_popescu: all teh btc in one address are lost simultaneously.
ThickAsThieves: more gears, more can break. less gears, when it breaks, it's worse.
mircea_popescu: is what i meant.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
pankkake: right; but the point shouldn't be more addresses, but more holders or locations
kakobrekla: question, do make withdrawals from that addy or they move the whole thing?
kyuupichan: That cosmic ray that does a bitflip between you pressing enter on the password and the software signing the txn
ThickAsThieves: i'd guess it's cold storage and only tapped into when hot wallet is abnormally low
ThickAsThieves: but what do i know
pankkake: can in a fridge
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: fridge in a can
nubbins`: would buy
ThickAsThieves: http://dcmagnates.com/pantera-capital-launches-pantera-bitindex-states-venture-capital-will-drive-bitcoin-growth/
assbot: Pantera Capital Launches Pantera Bitindex, States Venture Capital Will Drive Bitcoin Growth – Digital Currency Magnates
mircea_popescu: pantera is going to make a nice rug.
ThickAsThieves: The research report also announced the launch of the Pantera BitIndex. Measuring seven data points, according to Pantera Capital
ThickAsThieves: Developer interest on GitHub
ThickAsThieves: Merchant adoption
ThickAsThieves: Wikipedia views
ThickAsThieves: Hashrate
ThickAsThieves: Google searches
ThickAsThieves: User adoption as measured by wallets
ThickAsThieves: Transaction volume
nubbins`: ;;ud pantera
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pantera | Pantera. A fucking kickass metal band that has, believe it or not, made a special appearance in Spongebob Squarepants' episode of "Pre-Hibernation Week".
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: hahaha ok
ThickAsThieves: nice index bro
mircea_popescu: this is like... the forum 2.0
mircea_popescu: under the very flimsy - VERY flimsy - excuse that they aren't really this stupid, they're just trying to cater to the stupid.
mircea_popescu: this sticks until you actually get to know them financial minds, and find out that yes, they are actualy that
mircea_popescu: stupid
pankkake: so pantera is going to invest in companies, not coins?
ThickAsThieves: USD falls today due to decreased github developer interest!
pankkake: s/companies/startups/
mircea_popescu: maybe it just buys the index
nubbins`: landed a job making t-shirts for my favourite sushi restaurant :D
pankkake: are you paid in sushis?
mircea_popescu: :D
mircea_popescu: quote them in rolls!
pankkake: anything's better than fiat. I have not had much success yet though
pankkake: say, I could be paid in hard drives
fluffypony: nigga plz
fluffypony: ssd's only
pankkake: I don't need that much ssds. or I would be very very well paid if I moved everything to ssds
fluffypony: so this DataTank mining crowd
fluffypony: they've now secured ALL OF THE FUNDINGZ
fluffypony: or something
mircea_popescu: what's it do ?
pankkake: tank
mircea_popescu: i beg your pardon ?
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: they shove ASICs in tanks of fluid
fluffypony: in shipping containers
mircea_popescu: o o
mircea_popescu: not such a horrible idea i thought
mircea_popescu: seeing how you then don't need a warehouse anymore, just a lot.
fluffypony: yeah
mircea_popescu: asic miners are also the eminent tool for this. an isp can't do it because customers wil want upgrades etc
fluffypony: it seems nice from a visual perspective, all these shipping-container-modules
fluffypony: but it doesn't seem to be a very clever use of space
mircea_popescu: but i was trying to sell a sysadmin friend on the concept of ironman isp, doing something quite similar.
mircea_popescu: "and if a server blows you just get another one"
mircea_popescu: !up mcm
fluffypony: hah
mircea_popescu: fluffypony why not clever use of space ?
pankkake: shipping cointainers are an old idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Modular_Datacenter
assbot: Sun Modular Datacenter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: pankkake true.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: if you want to expand I think grabbing an existing warehouse and expanding within the warehouse is eminently more manageable, both from expansion and security perspectives
pankkake: perhaps having your mining farm mobile can be an advantage
fluffypony: pankkake: not when "mobile" needs 3-phase power
mircea_popescu: fluffypony who's going to steal from a steel container ?
mircea_popescu: warehouse has gates. imo much more secure.
fluffypony: just steal the whole container
mircea_popescu: yeah. right.
fluffypony: :-P
mircea_popescu: you need machinery for that, not really the same as backing in some pickup trucks.
mircea_popescu: also you have to steal the whole thing. if people had to steal the WHOLE old lady, they a) couldn't use bikes and b)wouldn't be bothered.
mircea_popescu: the point is to be ab le to select just the purse.
mircea_popescu: and as for expansion... those shits stack 10 iirc.
mircea_popescu: what dc has 10 floors ?
pankkake: perhaps you want to quickly change the state you operate in. because power costs, laws…
mircea_popescu: pankkake course i see thsi was announced 2006. my idea was cca 2002 :p
mircea_popescu: pankkake plus you get unexpected bonuses. such as parking one in every trailer park in the us.
Mats_cd03: http://www.linux-kongress.org/2010/slides/osmocombb-welte.pdf killer presentation on gsm
mircea_popescu: least ddos-able miner farm ever (which currently is the major problem)
pankkake: do ddos the farm, you'd have to know what ips they have. pretty easy to hide from the public
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: seems like that is going to happen a dozen times over << im hoping about 5 (of which 3 already happened. 2 moar reserved for WCs)
mircea_popescu: pankkake nothing is ever easy to hide.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: wouldn't be too far-fetched to see people being paid in bitcoin, avoiding government taxation << inasmuch as you've seen this like... yesterday ? yeah.
Mats_cd03: are miners generally vulnerable to ddos?
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: !up arsenische
mircea_popescu: cazalla: wow, sexysaffron already removed from youtube, i bet you andreas did this >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yrlh3E_qu4
assbot: Mission: #bitcoin-assets - YouTube
mircea_popescu: how's it removed ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla: ISIS videos have been on there for weeks << yeah but who ever cared about that :p
Mats_cd03: i enjoy the videos quite a bit
Mats_cd03: jihadis have a flair for the dramatic. ends up with p good war porn
pankkake: davout: http://www.numerama.com/magazine/29953-un-rapport-pour-encadrer-le-bitcoin-remis-par-tracfin-a-michel-sapin.html
assbot: Un rapport pour encadrer le Bitcoin remis par TRACFIN Michel Sapin
pankkake: the state is "somewhat worried"
Mats_cd03: do miners necessarily have to be vulnerable to ddos? i cant say i understand how mining works in depth
nubbins`: that video is brutal
danielpbarron: a miner doing 51% can take a ddos; any others would not be able to make the longest chain without up-to-date blockchain data
nubbins`: so IDGAF about sports
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron this being the most dangerous part of someone getting 51% : he now has a serious incentive to ddos the world.
nubbins`: but apparently pornhub and similar sites have been flooded with uploads of the germany-brazil game
davout: pankkake: thanks! so apparently it's due on friday
mircea_popescu: all he needs is to constantly kick the 2-3 closest competitors off the block. a la mtgox-tradehill
nubbins`: "young brazilians get fucked by entire german football team" etc
Mats_cd03: hilarious
nubbins`: they had to ask people to stop, claiming their public humiliation category was full ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: public humiliation is never full!
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
pankkake: public disgrace
indiancandy1: who?
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 here's a trick : this cannel is logged. you can see what people were talking about before you showed up. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#750961 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
kakobrekla: there is a log? oh my god mircea, i think i love you.
rithm: logs are for fags
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla show me your teats ?
indiancandy1: his mine
indiancandy1: :(
ThickAsThieves: "@BTCFoundation hires Thorsen French as outside lobbyists. Part of the appeal was they weren't invovled in past financial services battles"
ThickAsThieves: god forbid they have experience
kakobrekla: fuck you bitch i was here first.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you don';t get how probono works.
ThickAsThieves: Altcoin currently has more votes than GroinCoin at hitbtc.com/vote
ThickAsThieves: such progress
chetty: ThickAsThieves, experience? whats this are you racist or smthn
mircea_popescu: "part of the appeal was that having no experience and looking for exposure, they didn't actually want to be paid"
ThickAsThieves: and more votes than ripple!
pankkake: I suppose you can pay for votes?
ThickAsThieves: probly
indiancandy1: it was rigged
rithm: omg where 2 buy realcomins!!!!!
rithm: *realcoinz
ThickAsThieves: hmm it says nothing about paying for votes
ThickAsThieves: but it does say theyll list if there are 2 market makers
pankkake: lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what's it take to be a market maker ?
ThickAsThieves: https://hitbtc.com/mm
assbot: Conditions for Market Makers / hitbtc
mircea_popescu: so as a mpex update : all 8 drives + the raid controller are going to be cut up. replacements are going in. mpex won't be back today, but i expect it to be back tomorrow. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: FabianB ^
ThickAsThieves: dont forget to tweet that all our bitcoins are safe too
mircea_popescu: well i would if only i hadn't killed andreas.
mircea_popescu: but yes, bitcoin has nothing to do with this, this is the trade engine.
pankkake: so you don't want to ask for your twitter account back?
mircea_popescu: what, for free ?
pankkake: yes
mircea_popescu: mno.
pankkake: they have not invented the unban-for-pay yet
mircea_popescu: twitter wants me tweeting, it gotta pay.
mircea_popescu: the trial account has gone as far as it'll go.
indiancandy1: mm
pankkake: well, for now redditards think they accomplished something
mircea_popescu: they have lol.
mircea_popescu: they made twitter an iota less relevant.
pankkake: teaching them to be a mob?
mircea_popescu: which i guess is good for reddit, in some perspective.
pankkake: 0 is 0 - I'm not arguing that you should twit, twitter is an useless website for useless people etc.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> they made twitter an iota less relevant. < just like a drop of shit can ruin a bottle of wine, a drop of wine doesnt fix the bottle of shit, ya know.
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know, that account is old. i had a two year or so gap in there, some time they "upgraded" their website.
pankkake: what am I arguing for is, show them they accomplished nothing
pankkake: twit "Hail ISIS, behead Roger Ver and Andreas Whatshispoulos"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nolo contendere
mircea_popescu: pankkake why should it be upon me to educate other people's children ?
mircea_popescu: let them think whatever they wish, they'll stil get killed if they step on the line.
mike_c: isn't that what you're doing here?
mircea_popescu: mike_c only accidentally.
mircea_popescu: i mean, i don't in any sense mind if it happens, but it's not a goal.
chetty: best goals = ones you don't have
mircea_popescu: tell that to brazil.
ThickAsThieves: the goal is always better on the other side
mircea_popescu: so should i buy some APCs just in case argentina loses and then it's argentina-brazil for 3rd place ?
mircea_popescu: what's the odds on invasion ?
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: bish learn how to wot already, this is getting stale.
indiancandy1: okay im doing now
indiancandy1: did you see the game got put on pornhub young brazilians get fucked by entire german soccer team
ThickAsThieves: logs.bitcoin-assets.com
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/eEE7kcI.jpg
ThickAsThieves: oops
ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: “These world-class formations contain even more energy resource potential than previously understood, which is important information as we continue to reduce our nation’s dependence on foreign sources of oil,” said Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell. “We must develop our domestic energy resources armed with the best available science, and this unbiased, objective information will help private, nonprofit an
mircea_popescu: d government decision makers at all levels make informed decisions about the responsible development of these resources.”
mircea_popescu: A key component of President Obama’s all-of-the-above energy strategy is the availability of sound science to guide informed decision-making regarding the safe and responsible development of America’s domestic energy resources.
mircea_popescu: “The USGS undertook this assessment of the Bakken and Three Forks Formations as part of a nationwide project assessing U.S. petroleum basins using standardized methodology and protocol,” said Acting Director of the USGS Suzette Kimball. “Through this improved understanding of our energy resources, government, industry, and citizens are better able to understand our domestic energy mix and make wiser decisions fo
mircea_popescu: r the future.”
mircea_popescu: all this fucking insistence on how it's scientific and standardised and everything makes me suspicious already.
mircea_popescu: fortunately i'm not into minerals.
ThickAsThieves: thats a lot of words to not say much
ThickAsThieves: we looked at energy and decided we need to be smart about energy
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah it's this supposedly major deposit in dakota, upgraded from 3bn barrels to 7bn,
mircea_popescu: tho afaik previously it was held as unproductive.
ThickAsThieves: scamz
los_pantalones: they used to vertical drill
los_pantalones: now they are fracking
los_pantalones: and it's quite successful
mircea_popescu: yeah i was gonna say, this is shale
los_pantalones: yes
mircea_popescu: so better tech may account for it.
los_pantalones: they put a pipe in a 3 ft wide layer of rock 10k feet below ground
los_pantalones: and 10-20k feet horizontal
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones they still holding on to that gulf moratorium ? or did that go away
mircea_popescu: i've really not been following energy
nubbins`: "unproductive" is dynamic anyway
nubbins`: there was a time when western canada's tar sands were unproductive
mircea_popescu: true.
nubbins`: then the price of oil rose
nubbins`: they tried fracking inside a UNESCO world heritage site here last year
mircea_popescu: lol
indiancandy1: :(
mircea_popescu: how did that go ?
indiancandy1: i cant take this shit
nubbins`: everybody freaked the fuck out, now there's a fracking moratorium
nubbins`: golf claps all around
los_pantalones: gulf back open for biz, i believe
mircea_popescu: lol i wonder how her frustration graph looks
fluffypony: this is how I imagine stealing a shipping container would go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMS6iCrsqRA
assbot: Bieremy jak leci ! - YouTube
mircea_popescu: lol right
mircea_popescu: fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2yWIHCase0 this ore like it
assbot: Forklift truck Crash with container on it - YouTube
fluffypony: *clicks*
ThickAsThieves: http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/07/09/copay-beta-an-open-source-multisig-wallet.html
assbot: Copay (beta), An Open Source Multisig Wallet | The BitPay Blog
fluffypony: omw
fluffypony: that poor driver
mircea_popescu: fucking dangerous these things, because people are tards and don't properly balance them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 33 @ 0.0153515 = 0.5066 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01401 = 0.7005 BTC [-]
los_pantalones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLqYAQb_f3Y
assbot: Epic Forklift Fail Compilation Part 2 - YouTube
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLHP9h8zYD0 << anyway this one is fresh and was lulzy
assbot: Container ship sails straight to shore - Hong Kong April 6, 2014 - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 40 @ 0.01638889 = 0.6556 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.01401 = 0.5604 BTC [-]
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benkay: <mircea_popescu> TheNewDeal what's an asshole in the dark. // huh i coulda sworn you were talking about the differences just recently
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jurov: wow is this second longest mpex downtime ever?
chetty: <jurov> yeah mpex seems to eat disk drives
pankkake: no ssds?
Mats_cd03: ssds are anathema
pankkake: why?
Mats_cd03: with the added cost you get faster io. i bet mpex isn't io bound
mircea_popescu: jurov: wow is this second longest mpex downtime ever? yea.
Mats_cd03: wear leveling TRIM silent and catastrophic failure modes etc
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 the only problem with ssds is that they're more difficult to properly decomission
Mats_cd03: define decommission
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not hard at all! magnesium ribbon.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 remove from production
kakobrekla: blend them.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: blend << nope. enemy will fish out intact dies.
kakobrekla: from dust?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: go blend a thumb drive, see what you get.
kakobrekla: this
kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2eNhPC8wCQ&feature=kp
assbot: "Will It Blend" Series Tests Patriot Flash Drive for Durability - YouTube
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: owing to what is basically two layers of raid?
asciilifeform: other, 'gentle' idea, dissolve 'windows' into the eeprom with nitric acid. replace cover. when time to decommission, use a UV lamp.
asciilifeform: the drive can even be sold after this, or used in 'civilian' application.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 well yes, for one thing they're in a 1+0 raid. for the other thing it';s not like i'm letting them reach the end of wear levelling
mircea_popescu: higher end drives have good diags on the drive anyway.
kakobrekla: baj
kakobrekla: bah
kakobrekla: the problem of that video is that its not full enough
kakobrekla: see here
kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rofgMueCOqo
assbot: Will It Blend? - iPhone 5 vs Galaxy S3 - YouTube
kakobrekla: it is DUST.
kakobrekla: tell me what you gonna get out of that phone
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla usable nand memories can be 1sq mm
kakobrekla: pour it down the drain
kakobrekla: spread the ashes by the sea
mircea_popescu: well im not actually doing this at home.
kakobrekla: while taking your girls for a walk
kakobrekla: well how do you know its done then
ThickAsThieves: aha! ive secured 1mm of mpex drive!
mircea_popescu: so what, im going to ask for oceanview in my provision spec ?
ThickAsThieves: youre done for
kakobrekla: anyway blending and proper disposal of dust = win
asciilifeform: other variant: you can get a 100mW diode laser for 100 usd or so. zap the dies right through the package.
kakobrekla: harder to get blind with a blender.
mircea_popescu: currently i wanna find out what the holy shit is happening tho, because this ain't normal.
asciilifeform: one could even set up an array of these, in sealed box, for a given type of drive
mircea_popescu: then they can just get incinerated.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still have mains power issues ?
mircea_popescu: nope.
pankkake: Mats_cd03: modern ssds give detailed SMART data, and have far less returns than hard drives. moreover, scrubs and rebuilds of RAIDs are much faster
asciilifeform: nope as in 'installed guaranteed sinusoidal power source', eliminated the possibility even in theory ?
pankkake: hard drives used to have that premium 5 year warranty, it's gone down to 3 years, while premium ssds now offer 10 years
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope as in nothing shows up on measurements.
mircea_popescu: pankkake Mats_cd03 i was on the ssds suck technologically bandwagon for many years. the past few however it's pretty much groundless.
mircea_popescu: ssds matured.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider posting a firmware dump of one such drive.
jborkl: mpex offline?
asciilifeform: example of how to get 'shell' on a 'seagate' disk: https://sites.google.com/site/seagatefix/Home
assbot: Fixing a Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drive
asciilifeform: (yes - you can fuck with the os of an hdd. i hope this is a 'revelation' to no one.)
pankkake: the only issue with a SSD is a security one. if you use full disk encryption, you have to consider that the "change key" operation might leave a copy of the old key in the spare area
asciilifeform: pankkake: any disk crypt scheme where the key lives on disk is nuttery
asciilifeform: as if spindle drives didn't swap sectors silently
pankkake: I don't mean private key, I mean the metadata block. i.e. what luks does
pankkake: it's awfully convenient
chetty: convenient tends to = risky
Mats_cd03: so encrypt swap with a random key?
pankkake: http://www.hardware.fr/articles/920-6/disques-durs.html http://www.hardware.fr/articles/920-7/ssd.html (stats from biggest French retailer)
assbot: Disques durs - Les taux de retour des composants (10) - HardWare.fr
assbot: SSD - Les taux de retour des composants (10) - HardWare.fr
asciilifeform: know what else is 'convenient'? surrendering.
asciilifeform: if insist on convenient, just go to enemy & surrender.
pankkake: it just means I cannot change my key securely, and have to rewrite the data. so what?
kakobrekla: dont be the party pooping deer.
chetty: <asciilifeform> if insist on convenient, just go to enemy & surrender.<<+1
Mats_cd03: does LUKS even default to including metadata? iirc it was plain format
pankkake: no, LUKS *is* the metadata
mircea_popescu: since we're on this, http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/173108-researchers-crack-the-worlds-toughest-encryption-by-listening-to-the-tiny-sounds-made-by-your-computers-cpu
assbot: Researchers crack the world’s toughest encryption by listening to the tiny sounds made by your computer’s CPU | ExtremeTech
mircea_popescu: mostly for the pic
asciilifeform: old news
asciilifeform: dissected here ~2 months ago
mircea_popescu: wait, and luks isnt ?!
asciilifeform: !s inductors
assbot: 9 results for 'inductors' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=inductors
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2013#425691 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: Girls Around Me is a simple app that takes your location, and then queries Foursquare and Facebook’s location APIs to find any girls (or boys) that are geographically close. You’re then shown a map, powered by Google, with faces (pulled from Facebook profiles) pinned to it.
mircea_popescu: !up colinistheman
mircea_popescu: i can't believe THAT didn't sell for 20bn
asciilifeform: 'girls around me' << ancient scandal. as i recall, it was censored.
colinistheman: Hi guys
mircea_popescu: "whores around me" would prolly work even better.
colinistheman: Thought I'd drop back in mircea
mircea_popescu: colinistheman wb. so, mind getting in the wot so i can get bb his knife ?
asciilifeform: 'whores around me' << if 'uber taxi', why not this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually... taxi callgirl!
asciilifeform: aye.
colinistheman: What do I do exactly?
mircea_popescu: "send me three at 48th and 9th." " with girls or without ?" "umm bob... your gf coming ? uhh... ok, two with one without please"
colinistheman: I added 15 new knives today. They are at the bottom of the page when it's set to "unsorted"
mircea_popescu: colinistheman http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just as people who never considered becoming cabbies are now whoring in 'uber', 'whores around me' would probably work the same magic in its own field.
asciilifeform: and, naturally, such an app could only work in btc
mircea_popescu: naturally.
mircea_popescu: i guess we gotta build our own phone.
asciilifeform: why does everything have to run on a pNohe ?
colinistheman: this series of instructions is a little overwhelming
colinistheman: i've never used a GPG key before
jurov: colinistheman you can start with btc addy
colinistheman: that sounds easier
colinistheman: you mean, instead of a key?
jurov: but gpg is basic education around here
colinistheman: I'll probably have to learn it at some point
mircea_popescu: indeed.
jurov: yes btc addy has privkey and can sign things
Mats_cd03: ;;tslb
mircea_popescu: btc is like, yu know, the car. it doesn't exist out of a vacuum. if yu want to be a decen mechanic, and even to be a good driver
gribble: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 22 seconds ago
mircea_popescu: you'll have to know about things a little under the hood, like encryption
chetty: well at least learn to change a tire before you get behind the wheel
colinistheman: ;;eregister colinistheman 1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS
gribble: Error: '1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
colinistheman: oh, I thought you said I could use my public key
colinistheman: *bitcoin key
mike_c: ;;bcregister
gribble: (bcregister <nick> <bitcoinaddress>) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key <bitcoinaddress> with <nick>. <bitcoinaddress> should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
mircea_popescu: i wonder why this is a common mistake
colinistheman: ;;bcregister colinistheman 1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS
gribble: Request successful for user colinistheman, hostmask colinistheman!~colinisth@unaffiliated/colinistheman. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a
colinistheman: it's in the instructions, but the instructions do not show the command ;;bcregister
mircea_popescu: http://www.propublica.org/images/ngen/gypsy_big_image/gt_fort_meade_630x420_130830.jpg << one wonders, why the fuck not just make a garage already.
mircea_popescu: ah i see
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik - world's largest parking lot.
jurov: cuz all underground levels got claimed?
asciilifeform: underground parking is only built when land costs something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform land costs a lot.
asciilifeform: not to usg
mircea_popescu: i can probably identify employees by the age old "distance to gate" metric
mircea_popescu: it's hierarchical after al.
mircea_popescu: i can probably use the satellite pics to uncover the entire lift of employees.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even easier. most u.s. military installations have named (!) parking spots for the brass
mircea_popescu: for that matter, i probably already have.
asciilifeform: 'this spot belongs to Col. Smith'
mircea_popescu: so yes, it costs a shitton
mircea_popescu: anyway, in sum, if i were co there i'd fire myself over this pic.
colinistheman: ;;everify [freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a]
gribble: Error: "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: no []
colinistheman: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a
gribble: Error: No outstanding encryption-based request found.
mircea_popescu: bcverify
colinistheman: ;;bcverify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a
gribble: Error: Authentication failed. Please try again.
colinistheman: I am honestly confused as to what I am doing right now
mircea_popescu: me too. wtf that failed ?!
jurov: this doesn't look like btc signature
colinistheman: it says error
mircea_popescu: oh.
mircea_popescu: colinistheman you gotta encrypt it
colinistheman: ok I will have to give this more attention and try again later
jurov: didn't you just publish your privkey?
mircea_popescu: jurov looks like the challenge string
asciilifeform: lol
colinistheman: no private key
jurov: ic
colinistheman: ok I will have to give this more attention and try again later
asciilifeform: incidentally, someone (with coin to spare) should do this experiment.
asciilifeform: throw a 1 btc privkey somewhere, count how long until snarfed
colinistheman: I am wondering if this will be worth my time
rithm: nope.
colinistheman: lol
jurov: colinistheman: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication
assbot: Bitcoin address authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
mircea_popescu: colinistheman this is pretty much the only thing you could be doing that's worth your time.
colinistheman: It's over my head sorry. I am a busy man
rithm: shhhh mircea_popescu don't lie to the guy
mircea_popescu: you know what the vietnamese fisherman working for two rice patties a day said ?
rithm: nuh uh
mircea_popescu: that he's a busy man.
rithm facedesks
colinistheman: luckily i sell knives instead of rice
colinistheman: higher profit margin
mircea_popescu: rithm hey, you were asking for it.
colinistheman: and automated sales coming in is great
fluffypony: colinistheman: pity you sell shitty knives
colinistheman: why the mean?
FabianB: $traded
fluffypony: no Fallkniven, no Benchmade
rithm: colinistheman but sderiously registering an identity is super important
rithm: no one will take you seriously
fluffypony: just the normal crap that Americans buy because they read it was good on /r/survival
colinistheman: http://knives4bitcoin.com/products/german_damascus_vg-10_knife,_speed_assisted_ao_large_folding_knives_pocket_g-10.php
assbot: Knives4Bitcoin.com - German Damascus VG-10 Knife, Speed Assisted A/O Large Folding Knives Pocket G-10
rithm: until you give gribble a handjob
colinistheman: fluffypony: That one is a nice knife
colinistheman: handmade 200 layers of damascus steel
mircea_popescu: i thought damascus steel was a lost recipe
fluffypony: colinistheman: anything with Damascus steel is fun, but that doesn't mean it has a movement that will withstand abuse
colinistheman: I have a limited number of them.
rithm: oh so spam is the game
rithm: i see now
colinistheman: any steel can be abused. obviously you have to know how to take care of your knife.
colinistheman: such as oiling it
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes - the original method is no longer known, but the modern equivalent is still pretty awesome in terms of how it keeps its edge
colinistheman: it's also made with high carbon steel so it holds the edge better for that reason as well
mircea_popescu: isn't high carbon bad ?
mircea_popescu: as in, pig iron ?
colinistheman: 1095hc is a good steel. you have to keep it oiled tho
colinistheman: holds an edge better than 440 stainless
rithm: but rusts
colinistheman: yes, as does all high carbon steel
colinistheman: that's the trade off
colinistheman: but oiling it after use keeps it good
colinistheman: liek i said yhou have to know how to care for it
rithm: what about leaving fresh blood on the blade?
rithm: is that a lubricant or oxidizing agent?
colinistheman: lol
colinistheman: oxidizing
rithm: i wasn't sure thanks!
colinistheman: ok :)
Mats_cd03: lol
colinistheman: yeah, blood, guts, water, all bad for knives
colinistheman: but its ok to use them as long as you clean them up
mircea_popescu: josh's blood is prolly a derperizing agent.
rithm: stop joshing around
mircea_popescu: a ok
fluffypony: heh
mircea_popescu: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/speculative-attack/ << check out what our friend came up with
assbot: Speculative Attack | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
mircea_popescu: a new name for gresham's law.
mircea_popescu: !up CryptOprah
mircea_popescu: anyway, this part's goo :
mircea_popescu: Second, they misunderstand how strong currencies like bitcoin overtake weak currencies like the dollar: it is through speculative attacks and currency crises caused by investors, not through the careful evaluation of tech journalists and 'mainstream consumers'.
colinistheman: if I feel adventurous in setting up all this stuff later I'll be back. g'day!
rithm: ya''l scared him away
mircea_popescu: i like how people keep pretending like they got an option and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: nothing quite like the illusion of immediate control.
mircea_popescu: anyway, all our friend needs to do now is look up to see who's doing the speculative attacks against the dollar and he'll be like i dunno... five steps ahead of the crowd ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who's doing the speculative attacks against the dollar << 'a dead lion can be kicked even by a donkey'
mircea_popescu: how about a desperate, moribund lion ?
asciilifeform: that one will slam into walls often. less work for donkey.
punkman: http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/9/5883651/texas-lawyer-sues-tor-for-providing-tools-used-by-revenge-porn-site
assbot: Texas lawyer sues Tor for providing tools used by revenge porn site | The Verge
mircea_popescu: lol "sues tor"
mircea_popescu: ima fall over myself laughing if the us navy ends up paying this guy
asciilifeform: lawyers can also have problems.
punkman: hilarious lawyer: https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/233081133?access_key=key-WFujAqEI3BioFxNO43R3
mircea_popescu: he's suing an actual party it seems
punkman: https://twitter.com/MeanTXLawyer/status/459698519771582464
assbot: So many places I wish I could be now. Buddy's bachelor party. NRA annual meeting. AmRen conference. But alas, low on funds :(
mircea_popescu: don't worry assbot. you're here with us and that's ass that matters.
punkman: http://revengepornwar.blogspot.com/ another genius here
assbot: Dispatches from the Revenge Pornography War
benkay: <mircea_popescu> i wonder why this is a common mistake // it turns out that making interfaces that normal humans find intuitive is actually hard.
mircea_popescu: in this case the problem seems to be that ;;bc stuff is never mentioned explicitly.
mircea_popescu: was about to bitch about it, but then i realised there's wisdom in moiety's terseness.
benkay: interface is education
mircea_popescu: let the lazy have extra chances to self humiliation, it's a good selection exercise.
benkay: and seriously - use gpg.
benkay: it's not like your .gnupg dir will expire, unlike your wallet backups.
mircea_popescu: punkman the notion that anyone still cares...
mircea_popescu: benkay but some are busy people.
benkay: 160 hours a week in the paddy
chetty: something very wrong when you are too busy to stretch your mind
rithm: http://hyperledger.com/faqs.html#hackednode
rithm: oooh hyper-ledger
mircea_popescu: "If a node gets hacked there are only a few ways it can impact the system, but it can’t force good nodes to accept forged transfers. Generally, individual bad nodes will quickly be automatically identified and expelled from the consensus pool."
mircea_popescu: that made a lot of sense.
rithm: dude it's cooler than bitcoin it's hyper
rithm: and it's a ledger
rithm: no 51%!!!!!
mircea_popescu: "Bobynin's voice rang like metal on metal. 'I can see the difference between you and me: you need me, but I don't need you.'"
rithm: What if there are two ledgers with the same name in different pools?
rithm: This is an open question up for discussion
rithm: lololol
mircea_popescu: hahah
mircea_popescu: better reg that name.
rithm: hyperbank
rithm: hypercash
rithm: hyperdollars
mircea_popescu: begging for hyperherp
rithm: discuss: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/486926129409052672
assbot: I can no longer have even the smallest association with the Bitcoin Foundation, because of the complete lack of transparency
fluffypony: hah
fluffypony: it took him this long to realise that?
Mats_cd03: so brave
mircea_popescu: you see what a good killing does to people ?
mircea_popescu: can he stil have association with neobee ? anyone asked him yet ?
rithm: can i ask for a refund for my bitcoin foundation donation
rithm: i'd like to take that back
rithm: i'm an enabler
kakobrekla: donation implies onewaynesses
mircea_popescu: rithm lots of dumb things you can't take back. way the world goes.
rithm: superman did it that one time
benkay: that entropic gradient...
mircea_popescu: did he spin on a dildo really fast ?
asciilifeform: 'You ever drop an egg and on the floor you see it break? / You go and get a mop so you can clean up your mistake. / But did you ever stop to ponder why we know it's true, / if you drop a broken egg you will not get an egg that's new. / That's entropy...'
mircea_popescu: also known in romanian as "copilu' minune minca gem si caca prune"
mircea_popescu: ie, the wunderkid, eatin' jam an' shittin' prunes.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: drinking wine and pissing grape juice
HyperChetty: http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Rocket-alert-sirens-sound-in-Zichron-Yaakov-120-km-north-of-Gaza-362087
assbot: Hamas: We attempted to hit the nuclear reactor in Dimona | JPost | Israel News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0372999 = 0.5968 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i wonder what these people think hitting a nuclear plant will do.
mircea_popescu: i mean unless they've got actual bunker busters they're no treaching the core. so...
asciilifeform: see french example
asciilifeform: (answer: nothing)
asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/20/world/antitank-rockets-are-fired-at-french-nuclear-reactor.html
asciilifeform: still a headache for the folks who have to walk around with clipboard, check off what needs new paint job
nubbins`: more of a make-work project than an attack
mircea_popescu: myeah.
fluffypony: ;;later tell darlidada everything seems to be working 100%, need your email address to create the user account for you - let me know
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot cazalla
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cazalla!cazalla@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe73:590b. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014
Mats_cd03: iron dome paying dividends; thanks uncle sam
nubbins`: so i printed some nice big 18x24" posters today
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/GGg3JC2
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: who's jess smith
nubbins`: one third of Pink Eye :D
Mats_cd03: im sure hamas'd have better luck pointing rockets at power stations
mircea_popescu: how anti-french of you three.
Mats_cd03: whoevers running the show, sucks
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 o bviously they're going for pr.
nubbins`: http://theovercast.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/PinkEye.jpg
nubbins`: almost looks like we know what we're doing
mircea_popescu: woa dude you look old. i always saw you as this peter pan sorta 22 yo
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: nah, old man
nubbins`: in fact, that french rocket attack article was published 10 days before i was born ;o
asciilifeform: 'In France protesters fired an RPG-7 grenade-launcher at the reactor of a nuclear power station. Where they got the Soviet-made weapon I do not know. Perhaps it was just lying there at the roadside. But if it was a spetsnaz officer who had the good fortune to meet those people and provide them with their hardware, he would without further ado have been given a Red Banner medal and promotion. The senior officers
asciilifeform: of the GRU have a particular dislike of Western nuclear power stations, which reduce the West's dependence on imported oil (including Soviet oil) and make it stronger and more independent. They are one of spetsnaz's, most important targets.'
asciilifeform: (suvorov, 'spetsnaz.' http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/index.html)
assbot: --
nubbins`: interesting
mircea_popescu: d'oh.
nubbins`: alf, i bet you've got quite the collection of books in your study
asciilifeform: who doesn;t
nubbins`: many
Mats_cd03: related, http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2014/02/05/qa-what-you-need-to-know-about-attacks-on-the-u-s-power-grid/
assbot: Q&A: What You Need to Know About Attacks on the U.S. Power Grid - Corporate Intelligence - WSJ
asciilifeform: 'what you need to know' - 'nothing.' (usg)
nubbins`: "We need to make books cool again. If you go home with somebody and they don't have books, don't fuck them." -John Waters
Mats_cd03: tl;dr cooling room filled with bullets, station subsequently fails to cool, suspects utilize AKs and cover of darkness to circumvent shit security
asciilifeform: phun phact re: substations. the transformers are quite expensive, not many are manufactured.
nubbins`: right, isn't this the reason a solar flare or w/e could fuck us all royally?
asciilifeform: copper thieves have destroyed considerably more mains transformers in usa than saboteurs with kalash, but the news blackout regarding these is nearly total.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i much prefer clueless-ignorant women to misguided-ignorant women.
mircea_popescu: someone with no books i'd fuck. someone with a shitton of "social studies" and assorted crap published the past century i definitely wouldn't
mircea_popescu: but i'd count it as a major personal failure if i somehow ended up going home with them in the first place.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not newsworthy.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://news360.com/article/247244651
assbot: GMO Mosquito Trial Has Reverse Effect, Causes Dengue Emergency
nubbins`: friend of mine had dengue, no fun
benkay: we were noodling on the homegrown EMP this morning.
Mats_cd03: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 41 seconds
asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: hey friends
asciilifeform: greetings human.
benkay: shalom
indiancandy1: shalom aint heard that word in years
indiancandy1: you jewish?
indiancandy1: jambo
benkay: ;;ud jambo
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jambo | 99% of washing line crime convictions in 2013 were held accountable to 'jambo's' or the 'scumbos' as they have become better known. They mostly inhabit a ...
benkay: funny how gribble's not returning the website's #1 result for that.
benkay: http://online.wsj.com/articles/fed-sets-october-end-for-bond-buying-1404928864 // i thought the bond purchases were still in full force?
assbot: Fed Sets October End for Bond Buying - WSJ
mircea_popescu: o this should be interesting.
mike_c: sort of end. they are still going to buy bonds with interest on their existing bonds.
mircea_popescu: there's no practical difference between these.
mircea_popescu: what im curious is, what tiny nation will suddenly be buying 50x its gdp worth of us bonds this autumn
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ua, who else.
mircea_popescu: naa
mircea_popescu: it should have been sa if they weren't such annoying shitheads forcing the best country in thr world to rely on their 2nd pedo choice.
mircea_popescu: hk would have also been great, except... problems. maybe it can be arranged for japan ?
HyperChetty: <mircea_popescu> what im curious is, what tiny nation will suddenly be buying 50x its gdp worth of us bonds this autumn//the caliphate
mircea_popescu: with the saudis money, if they get that far ? perhaps.
mircea_popescu: !up ak_
asciilifeform: HyperChetty: insha'allah.
asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: sooo... was the netherlands winning or what ?
indiancandy1: omg
indiancandy1: im on mfc and this guy just shot his load in his own mouth
indiancandy1: impresive
indiancandy1: hey friendsjambo is hello in swahilli btw
HyperChetty: world cup 0-0 so far
mod6: mircea_popescu: it's tied nil-nil, @ 75 min
mircea_popescu: mod6 near miss a minute ago ?
HyperChetty: maybe I heard some shouts
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i thought you didn't do cams ?
mod6: didn't see, just caught score.
mircea_popescu: This man, whom Stalin had trusted, was Adolf Hitler.
mircea_popescu: Stalin had looked on with approval and malicious delight as Hitler had overrun Poland, France and Belgium, as his bombers had darkened the sky over England. Molotov had come back from Berlin thoroughly frightened; agents reported that Hitler was transferring his forces eastward; Hess flew to England, and Churchill had warned Stalin of an attack. Every jackdaw in the woods of Byelorussia and on the poplars of Galicia h
mircea_popescu: ad shrieked war. Every peasant woman in every market-place in Russia had prophesied war day in and day out. Only Stalin had remained unperturbed.
mircea_popescu: He had trusted Hitler...
mircea_popescu: o wow, so i'm not the only guy to have noticed stalin's boyish infatuation with hitler ?!
mircea_popescu: til.
indiancandy1: i do
indiancandy1: i do cam i just do toys
asciilifeform: suvorov (given name rezun) certainly noticed.
indiancandy1: find me
indiancandy1: xsexyindianx
mircea_popescu: do you use a burka or something ?
indiancandy1: a burka?
indiancandy1: im not muslom
Mats_cd03: lol
mod6: how about sharpies?
HyperChetty: muslim porn, whats that? ankles?
indiancandy1: ahaha
indiancandy1: i have a pic on my phone i wish i culd show u its a girl taing a selfie
indiancandy1: with a burka but the reflection of the mirror shes got a g string on
mircea_popescu: ;;google girl selfie burka mirror g string
gribble: Top 10 Jeremy Clarkson gaffes - Telegraph: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/8928665/Top-10-Jeremy-Clarkson-gaffes.html>; What it really feels like to wear the 'burqa' | Mail Online - Daily Mail: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410376/What-really-feels-like-wear-burqa.html>; Hundreds of burqa-clad Afghan women in rare protest against ...: (1 more message)
mod6: mircea_popescu: on the near miss, it sounds like someone kicked it into the side of the net around the 75 mark.
mod6: 30 minutes of extra time now, if still scoreless, i guess they go to penalty kicks
Mats_cd03: i wish it was unarmed single combat
mod6: to break the tie? i agree, penalty kicks are a shitty way to end a game.
thestringpuller: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: whats the score
mod6: nil - nil
benkay: "U.S. stocks rebounded after a two-day slide, as the Federal Reserve's meeting minutes soothed concerns over a potential increase in interest rates.
benkay: "
benkay: how does slowing down bond purchases imply a not increase in rates?
indiancandy1: ;;google satanic lesbians
gribble: Christian radio host: Disney's 'Frozen' is Satanic tool for ...: <http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/10/christian-radio-host-disneys-frozen-is-satanic-tool-for-indoctrinating-young-lesbians/>; Gay and Satanist - In praise of Satan: <http://inpraiseofsatan.webs.com/gayandsatanist.htm>; When Satanic Lesbians, Lying Mothers, Love Triangles, Ex-Gays ...: <http://www.autostraddle.com (1 more message)
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 309995 | Current Difficulty: 1.6818461371161112E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 310463 | Next Difficulty In: 468 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17093222021.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.63368
thestringpuller: here comes the hash power
ThickAsThieves: benkay i'm pretty sure i just read an article that said the opposite of what you just pasted
ThickAsThieves: the more i read financial news, the less i believe it
ThickAsThieves: assuming the opposite is probly at least slightly closer to reality
mod6: extra time is over, penalty kick time
mod6: Argentina wins by pk's
mircea_popescu: o look at that lol
mircea_popescu: methinks im gonna go out in a bit and check out teh nuttery.
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: <benkay> how does slowing down bond purchases imply a not increase in rates? << iwannabelieve.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 155 @ 0.03452288 = 5.351 BTC [-] {13}
asciilifeform: phun phact re: 'languages of the day' - http://effbot.org/pyfaq/why-isn-t-there-a-switch-or-case-statement-in-python.htm
assbot: Why isn't there a switch or case statement in Python?
asciilifeform: (answer: because derp)
mike_c: http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3103/
assbot: PEP 3103 -- A Switch/Case Statement
mike_c: the real answer is worse: "A quick poll during my keynote presentation at PyCon 2007 shows this proposal has no popular support. I therefore reject it."
mike_c: that's a herp and a derp.
asciilifeform: language with no macros, where chump can't fix this omission himself: herp, derp, and... zerp ?
asciilifeform: (what comes after derp...?)
cazalla: indiancandy1: can you put the keyboard on your head?
mike_c: i don't mind no macros, and i'm surprised you like them. macros are the death of readability.
asciilifeform: c macros.
mike_c: there are better ones?
asciilifeform: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LispMacro
assbot: Lisp Macro
asciilifeform: proper macros make a language cleanly user-definable
asciilifeform: eliminating 'language feature' derp-conventions
mike_c: interesting.
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: When did you stop having a Twitter account?
justusranvier: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/326400019257257985