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asciilifeform: fromloper: that's where it stopped. i do not have 25k usd to use on ivory die photo.

fromloper: it's more complete than the previously published documents on the Ivory

mircea_popescu: and wtf ivory bunks you got there. chicago man can't jump ?!

a111: 90 results for "ivory", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ivory

fromloper: this seems to be Symbolics' internal docs for the Ivory. are they sufficient to develop a clone? I've tried to find previous discussions of this particular subset of docs in the logs but didn't find anything.

asciilifeform: meeeaanwhile in failed experiments, asciilifeform tried to take an xray of the bolix-ivory die, so as to get moar realistic microscopy quote at some point. method : ra-226 capsule (commercial geiger test src), b&w 'polaroid' film. weakness turns out to be the latter : when developed using rolling pin, fixer pouch bursts, and result is liquishit

mircea_popescu: binturds are NOT unapproachable. they are very much as approachable as, eg, reversing ivory/bolix software. not necesarily as perfumed, but be that as it may.

a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:45 phf: it's funny that 36xx series is basically an improved cadr. ivory on the other hand? literally scheme86: they poached both the main guy who worked on the cpu ~and the entire toolset~. ivory was still designed on CADR (rather than smbx), because that's where scheme team designed theirs

mircea_popescu: and thereby, an ivory on every desk not a fucking windows.

phf: it's funny that 36xx series is basically an improved cadr. ivory on the other hand? literally scheme86: they poached both the main guy who worked on the cpu ~and the entire toolset~. ivory was still designed on CADR (rather than smbx), because that's where scheme team designed theirs ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: fwiw the 3600 series ( pre-ivory ) were 36b

asciilifeform: 'Kalman Reti worked for Symbolics from 1982 through 1992, mostly on VLSI tools for Ivory but also writing low-level device support (e.g. a LMFS recovery utility, R/W optical drive support, LZW compressor, etc.) The last few years of that were spent doing customer consulting. After being laid off when Symbolics went into chapter 11, Kalman worked for Apple in Cambridge, first on MCL and later, after MCL was sold to Digitool, on Dylan.

asciilifeform: iirc he is the orig author of the ersatz ivory emulator

apeloyee: do you like the 'ivory' architecture so much?

a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 14:55 asciilifeform: in sadder noose, cheapest bolix ivory microscopy quote, chinese, that covers all the layers ( metal and passivation ) is ~30,000 usd.

asciilifeform: btw phf seems like ivory not happenin' any time soon ( see thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737657 ) . ☝︎

asciilifeform: in sadder noose, cheapest bolix ivory microscopy quote, chinese, that covers all the layers ( metal and passivation ) is ~30,000 usd. ☟︎

asciilifeform: also met a phriend of his, who asked not to be named, who traded 2 bolix 'ivory' cpus for asciilifeform's 1 bolix-3620 .

BingoBoingo: Chad, Cote de Ivory, Somalia, Liberia, Nigeria

mircea_popescu: phf goes to moscow, is to find ivory micrograph and bdsm club photograph, instead stuck in hotel room reading up on logs

asciilifeform: speaking of lost tech, can haz ivory micrograph yet, phf ?

a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 09:43 phf: i think tmsr keyboard should be made with traditional fortepiano technology, ebony keys with ivory letter inlays, maple casing, etc.

phf: i think tmsr keyboard should be made with traditional fortepiano technology, ebony keys with ivory letter inlays, maple casing, etc. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: ivory is actually not proper part of this discussion. not either very good or very valuable, british "tea" nonsense.

asciilifeform: for completeness also oughta mention ivory

asciilifeform: phf is in ru electron micrographing an 'ivory'

phf: i was half expecting to find an ivory there ^

asciilifeform: phf: neato. fwiw my ivory-trading d00d seems to have cancelled

phf: asciilifeform: speaking of doing things with limited resources. fyi i'm in zeptobar slav land with an ivory chip.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 15:05 phf: to some extent something like that was done in a transition from 36xx to ivory

a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 12:05 spyked: ok, so to sum up; 1. get ice40 fpga; 2. run fpga lisp machine (cadr?); work from that towards symbolics/ivory, or the other way around starting from symbolics.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 12:04 asciilifeform: whereas physical 'ivory' happily did multi year uptime

phf: to some extent something like that was done in a transition from 36xx to ivory ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 12:04 asciilifeform: whereas physical 'ivory' happily did multi year uptime

spyked: ok, so to sum up; 1. get ice40 fpga; 2. run fpga lisp machine (cadr?); work from that towards symbolics/ivory, or the other way around starting from symbolics. ☟︎

asciilifeform: whereas physical 'ivory' happily did multi year uptime ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: afaik even ivory has, e.g., 'spy bus', internally

mircea_popescu: so genera-ivory then

phf: no, what i'm saying, so you have your ivory running on hardware, now what? you can start writing systems lisp from scratch or you boot genera.

phf: genera is the software layer to ivory's hardware, it's usually what people are talking about when "superior development environment!11" etc. symbolics architecture is crufty idiosyncratic, so taking its hardware without also the software doesn't make sense

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ivory << better search than google. anyway, ancient tech, symbolics co. lisp machines from teh 80s. there's (some, limited) effort to cut up the chips / redo the whole thing.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ivory does tho

mircea_popescu: spyked you know what a mac ivory is ?

asciilifeform: speaking of old harleys, looks like d00d from #bolix will trade 2 ivory cpu for 1 3620

asciilifeform: you ~can~ make a i386. or a m68k. mips. 'ivory'... etc

a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 18:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/ivory-cpu-heatsink-and-instability/ << where later ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/ivory-cpu-heatsink-and-instability/ << where later ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: "So, it appears thermal stress on the Ivory CPU isn't the problem, or that the thermal stress is too great for that small heatsink to keep up with." do they not have laser thermometers where these people live or what is the problem here ?!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: current d00d offers to trade for a qty of raw 'ivory's

asciilifeform: liek bolix after the whisperers are done burning through the last ivory's mtbf yea

asciilifeform: go an' replace the 'ivory'.

asciilifeform: i will illustrate my comment 'they are grave robbers, not archaeologists'. take, for instance, https://www.instagram.com/p/BUXulHRgjEZ/?taken-by=tr1nitr0n ( it dun show on archive.is, i have nfi why . ) pictured is derp buys 4 (! and where?!) smbx ivory cpu

mircea_popescu: we could all be young and the walls could be ivory.

asciilifeform: re 'non-crown' jewels of bolixdom, one example of useful thing that does not publicly exist anywhere -- the mere pinout of the 'ivory'.

asciilifeform: 1) the NS source for the last 'ivory'. ☟︎

asciilifeform: oh while phf is awake ! : didja ever get that ivory cpu working ?

asciilifeform: i was merely confounded by 'i'll test it in my ivory'

phf: macivory is an ivory on a board with all the i/o handled over a bus by a mac

phf: xl1201 is an ivory (ivory being a cpu inside the box, merlin being the architecture)

asciilifeform: asciilifeform would trade a 3620 and 2 alphas for 1 working ivory

asciilifeform: oh hm i thought phf had an ivory

phf: i'm not sure if it's working, it's from a "possibly broken" box, but i can lend you that one after i test it in my ivory, and if you have a viable project of some sort, i can probably get you more

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-13#1626296 << http://glyf.org/tmp/ivory.jpg ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-13 16:49 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i was thinking' of buying that 'ivory' and making a signal interposer . any idea whether the magic cpu was soldered down, or LIF socketed..?

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-13#1626568 << pretty much entire board is socketed, definitely the case for ivory ☝︎

asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i was thinking' of buying that 'ivory' and making a signal interposer . any idea whether the magic cpu was soldered down, or LIF socketed..? ☟︎

asciilifeform: what's an 'ivory' cost, 3k usd? 4 ?

asciilifeform: phf: https://github.com/hanshuebner/vlm/blob/master/c-emulator/emulator.c looks like enough to build that fpga ivory...

asciilifeform: !~later tell phf https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/ivory-cpu-heatsink-and-instability << possibly interesting to phf..?

phf: i think a half decent reason to get an xl1201 is to sacrifice an ivory and get die shots

phf: well, shrobe went on to work at smbx, and used the evolution of the same stack to make an ivory. i wouldn't be surprised that's where the licensing went

mircea_popescu: in the way I can, because itЎЇs the world general business language which can simply understand in anywhere in the world, well I am the son of the former president of Cote D'Ivoire (ivory coast) in west Africa Mr. Laurent Gbagbo."

phf: they did transform themselves into sun, ivory machines and macivory boards specifically

phf: asciilifeform: well twenex was selling a handful of ivory's for ~5000k, so a 3620 with it's power requirements and refrigerator size will be some fraction of that

ascii_field: 'For far too long, Linux has discriminated against "differently abled" code, with all its segregationist notions of kernel-vs-userspace. And even within userspace, could the very word "permissions" get any closer to "privilege"??? At long last, viruses we have historically relegated to the slums of Windows will finally have the right to run in the ivory sandbox of Linux - We need "Runtime Justice" for all code, whether

trinque: 0 results found for macivory, so we searched for m ivory << no kidding

BingoBoingo: The countries with the healthiest diets overall were: 1. Chad 2. Sierra Leone 3. Mali 4. Gambia 5. Uganda 6. Ghana 7. Ivory Coast 8. Senegal 9. Israel 10. Somalia

fluffypony: Only watermelon ivory

bounce: chocolate; lots of cocoa coming from ivory coast (which did get its name for a reason)

decimation: was that based on ivory chip?

decimation: asciilifeform: when Kalman Reti mentioned that the CADR had 'loadable microcode', is he implying that the early stuff (not ivory) had an underlying 'risc' like core?

fluffypony: I liked his point on programmer logic, though - I've dealt all too often with devs who have this complete close-minded, ivory tower complex

mircea_popescu: pankkake: "Chinese-American, he was born in Africa; his entrepreneurial parents ran a flip-flop factory in the Ivory Coast" << for some reason that immediately sent me to http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/nigerian-scammers.jpg

pankkake: "Chinese-American, he was born in Africa; his entrepreneurial parents ran a flip-flop factory in the Ivory Coast"

fluffypony: BingoBoingo: the only African team that's been doing well-ish recently is the Ivory Coast team, I think they'll make it to the quarters before being knocked out

HeySteve: yes, we trade AK47 bullets for elephant ivory, that's how things work here

fluffypony: to have such an Ivory Tower complex that you don't is...well...

mircea_popescu: i fucking live in this world where women go about nude in teh park. i guess it'd be an ivory... tower ?

thestringpuller: ivory tower?

benkay: thestringpuller I am genuinely interested in the series of events that pushed you back into the ivory tower

Bicknellski_: There are idiots at all levels in all walks in all ivory towers

mircea_popescu: i thought cocoa mostly comes from africa/ivory coast

jurov: that probably falls into that mahogany/ivory argument, too. we do have decent synthetic replacements,.

jurov: i hope so. but still, while like, 99,99% of us can go by without mahogany wood or ivory