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mircea_popescu: first!
kakobrekla: lemme edit that up
mircea_popescu: scam
kakobrekla: lemme edit that up
mircea_popescu: davout: "you want to do some btc related accounting? well, fuck you, the decimals after the second are a $1.99 in-app purchase" << seriously ? like a power chord that's not six inches long ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't know that the thing needs to cough up *any* transaction on demand. << one can make his own emacs scripts do whatever one wants. notthe job of emacs to provide a preloaded button for arbitrary tasks.
ben_vulpes frowns
ben_vulpes: are you agreeing or what?
jurov: ben_vulpes: what is meant by "cough up transaction"?
ben_vulpes: ./bitcoind getrawtransaction TXID
ben_vulpes: -> LOTSAH3X
mircea_popescu: "a CPU profile of the time spent processing a 32 MB block by a full node is dominated by ECDSA signature verification, meaning that with the current infrastructure and computer hardware, scaling above 300 tps would require a clustered full node where ECDSA signature checking is load balanced across multiple machines."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i am agreeing yes
jurov: well, but if you attach a wallet to the node, it will need to crawl whole blockchain to get its transactions?
mircea_popescu: yes.
jurov: some means to get individual txs is needed
mircea_popescu: whoever needs this provides this.
ben_vulpes: if the node were to maintain the list of unspent transaction outputs, it would also have a list of the TXID's with unspent outputs.
ben_vulpes: it's a much more tractable problem to find transactions relevant to a given address out of that list than it is to walk the blockchain for same.
ben_vulpes: correct me if i'm wrong, but address balance is the sum of unspent transactions to that public key.
mircea_popescu: Cubs in the Islamic State, the generation that will conquer Rome in shā Allah << boys are wearing the stupid face veil thing too now ?!
jurov: but you propose to maintain only unspent ones? or none at all?
mircea_popescu: those cubs look like women.
ben_vulpes: i think that maintaining the utxo list is a good idea.
ben_vulpes: with the utxo list in hand, a node could create a raw transaction for signing by an offline node.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's a bad idea.
ben_vulpes: and why?
mircea_popescu: it's not unlike the "idea" to maintain a list of the phone numbers of the entire planet.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe you need to call someone ?
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that in order to call someone, having the phone number is not a big deal. having a passing answer for "who's this ?" is.
jurov: with bitcoin you need to know your own phone numbers
mircea_popescu: if every phone had to maintain 6bn phone numbers ? that's terrabit memory on any phone ?
mircea_popescu: jurov so you maintain them.
jurov: yea, i'm asking how?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how long does a "rescan" take these days?
mircea_popescu: this is immaterial.
jurov: scouring whole blockchain every time address is added to wallet?
mircea_popescu: design is not a consideratio nof "how long does it take to bale the water out"
mircea_popescu: built it so it's not on a fucking river.
ben_vulpes: okay okay
mircea_popescu: suppose you somehow DO actually want 32mb blocks. how long does a rescan take then ?
mircea_popescu: no point in importing nonsense into the future.
ben_vulpes: so i made two claims, let's treat them seperately
ben_vulpes: a) bitcoind should not return arbitrary transactions by id
kakobrekla: every time address is added to wallet? < if this is your common practice i think you are doing something wrong
ben_vulpes: b) bitcoind *should* be able to return transactions with unspent outputs
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> ... something wrong << what is best practice? feedback from industry leaders would be useful here.
jurov: okay, so for one to have complete stack, run something like electrum server that maintains the tx index and connects only to our node
mircea_popescu: bitcoind should put the blocks into an accessible database. the querying of that thing is the job of the user.
jurov: yu also imply creatng useful transaction index is the job of the user
jurov: i don't have an issue w/it
jurov: just want to clarify
mircea_popescu: there's no ready way to know hat the user will want the index to be.
ben_vulpes: another claim, for your consideration
ben_vulpes: bitcoind should not maintain a wallet
mircea_popescu: trying to invent a "this is the right way" because we're the power rangers isn't the way
mircea_popescu: bitcoind-wallet should maintain a wallet.
mircea_popescu: bitcoind should broadcast verifiable txn submitted to it.
ben_vulpes: bitcoind-wallet should generate and sign transactions.
mircea_popescu: modular fucking design, so you doin't have to change the whole thing every time a part sucks [for your usecase]
mircea_popescu: like linux. i don't have to get a new version of lindows to get rid of fucking notepad
jurov: okay. but then bitcoin will not be able whether relayed transactions aren't completely bogus
jurov: if it won't have even utxo set
mircea_popescu: txn are verifiable aren't they.
kakobrekla: imho 3 parts. private key handler, bc api and a thing in between
mircea_popescu: at least yeah
kakobrekla: first runs on airgap, second on my server in dc and third on my desktop
jurov: so, it will allow me to relay 1000 doublespend transactions with different destination addresses, because it can't check if the source isn't spent already?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> txn are verifiable aren't they. << not really. transaction only includes txid of previous transaction which itself has the pubkey required for validation.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so then how "not really" ?
ben_vulpes: do you want me to say "not at all"?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> bitcoind should broadcast verifiable txn submitted to it. <<
jurov: and to do it you need to find all the inputs, if i understand ben_vulpes correctly
ben_vulpes: like i'm 5, please.
ben_vulpes: to verify a new transaction, one needs the previous transaction in hand, in entirety.
jurov: ^all of them
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes once a transaction is proposed, the software has two options. 1) "oh , this looks like a tx involving inputs i remember were valid" and 2) "these are the inputs. check. these are their sources. check. these are their sources. check. this is the coinbase. check. ok."
mircea_popescu: 1 is wrong.
mircea_popescu: and i don't give a shit how convenient it is. let userland cut down the correct implementation for the sake of convenience.
mircea_popescu: if you check you check. if you don't check, then don't check.
jurov: mircea_popescu: but it also means it will relay all shit imaginable, you regard it as convenience otherwise?
mircea_popescu: i don';t see how it will.
jurov: how else you want to check relayed transactions from other nodes?
mircea_popescu: by looking at their inputs, an the inputs for those inputs, all the way to the valid coinbases involved.
ben_vulpes: so then the thing *does* need to retrieve arbitrary transactions.
jurov: but you sid it should not know anything about he inputs
ben_vulpes: from *its* blockchain (database).
jurov: you said it's the user's job to
mircea_popescu doesn't understand why this is contentious and will re-read.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it needs to retrieve arbitrary blocks. why txn specifically ?
mircea_popescu: you can't have a valid txn in an otherwise invalid block.
mircea_popescu: maybe these other words work better : "transactions" is a useful notion when adding data to blocks. it is in no way useful, or even existent, when verifying anything. all you can verify, both the most and the least you can verify, are BLOCKS.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "a valid transaction". merely, a valid block.
ben_vulpes: i guess this implies maintaining an index of txn hashes -> block hashes for lookup and validity checking
mircea_popescu: you can, for the sake of being silly, talk of "transactions included in valud blocks" but it really doens';t mean anythinmg. a block is a block.
mircea_popescu: you can't have "half a block"
jurov: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_rules#.22tx.22_messages
assbot: Protocol rules - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1tbWAMc )
jurov: step 16
mircea_popescu: jurov i thought we were discussing bitcoin as a spec, rather than bitcoin as a hack.
jurov: having whole block wont help you, you need the utxo public key
mircea_popescu: jurov once it's in a block ? for why ?
ben_vulpes: jurov: a transaction in a block contains the public key iirc
jurov: how else you 'll be cerain it's the same utxo that baked in the block?
mircea_popescu: jurov how do you care ?
mircea_popescu: im not understanding something here.
jurov: that's what i'm asking, if you don't care it won't check relayed transactions?
mircea_popescu: ugh.
jurov: for all manners of double spends?
mircea_popescu: let me model this for a moment.
mircea_popescu: so block 1 is mined, 50 btc > 1block1coinbase
mircea_popescu: in block 2, a tx takes 20 btc from 1block1coinbase to 1testaddress1 ; 50 btc > 1block2coinbase
mircea_popescu: we see in block 3 a tx that proposes to take 10 btc from 1testaddress1 to 1 testaddress2. you propose we can't verify what ?
jurov: if it's laready mined, then someone else verified it
jurov: but i'm talking about 0conf transactions
mircea_popescu: exaclt.y
mircea_popescu: well the block 3 tx i named as "proposed" is a 0 conf.
mircea_popescu: so you see this 0 conf tx that's being proposed references an input in block 2. which you have and you verify and that's that.
jurov: you need to find and extract the specific inputs used and check the public keys
jurov: and if you don't have tx index, that means getting whole blocks
jurov: to get these keys
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mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: i feel like i just spoke into a bag over here.
mircea_popescu: if you know that block 2 is verified, and you know that 1testadress1 is the 1testaddress1, what more do you need to check ?
jurov: because addresses aren't the atomic units
ben_vulpes: if i can interrupt, i'm coming at this problem from an entirely different angle.
mircea_popescu: thy aren't ?
jurov: you can send 10 times something to an address
jurov: thwen wehn you want to spend it
jurov: you must exactly name all these 10 inputs!
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes by all means.
ben_vulpes: which is the transaction creation process.
ben_vulpes: if i'm reading correctly, you propose moving transaction creation *out* of bitcoind.
mircea_popescu: bitcoind-the full node /
mircea_popescu: ?
ben_vulpes: i guess a step backwards is in order first
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> first runs on airgap, second on my server in dc and third on my desktop << seems txn are logically created on 1.
mircea_popescu: i think of bitcoind arbitrarily as 2.
mircea_popescu: and 3 is a toolset.
mircea_popescu: perhaps this mapping is only in my head ?
ben_vulpes: you're proposing a new "wallet" that knows how to create transactions.
ben_vulpes: the bitcoind *node* doesn't give a whit about transaction creation
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: the bitcoind node keeps a db, the bitcoind wallet selects what it wants and does what it pleases.
mircea_popescu: the bitcoind node makes sure it did what it pleased within bounds, and off it goes.
jurov: mircea_popescu: pls closer describe your idea of checking the transaction. maybe there lies the problem
jurov: you singlehandedly rejected the wiki link so you know better?
mircea_popescu: jurov i dunno how to do it better than http://log.b-a.link/?date=25-01-2015#990883
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2015 00:53:08; mircea_popescu: let me model this for a moment.
mircea_popescu: perhaps ask a question ? reductio ad absurdum ?
jurov: transaction is not checked against whole coinbase or whole blocks
jurov: but against individual outputs that it spends.
jurov: with me?
jurov: they may even not yet be in block
mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk
mircea_popescu: i don't follow. use the formalism in the model, that's why it's there.
jurov: because your model says about whole blocks and coinbases
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: well... you can't have any btc to spend if you don;t have any btc to spend. that specifically means, a derivaiton of a coinbase, in a block.
decimation: before block 3 is published, 1testaddress2 sends to 1testaddress3 (both 0 verify)?
mircea_popescu: rejected.
jurov: but as 0conf transaction can be checked against other 0conf transactions (remmeber satoshidice?)
mircea_popescu: jurov but only once the previous is included.
mircea_popescu: you can't have the 3rd higher in the tree than the 2nd
jurov: no
kakobrekla: seems txn are logically created on 1. < afaik you can do it on 3 and just sign on 1
jurov: they can be all included at once (but not in reverse order)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hence 3 = tools.
kakobrekla: yes
mircea_popescu: they can "prepare" your tx, but for my formalism, it ios "created" once 1.
mircea_popescu: semantics i guess.
mircea_popescu: jurov so basdically you're talking of a degenerate case of my model, which sure, as a convenience can be implemented by my model as well.
mircea_popescu: "oh look, 3 is based on 2 which we just approved, include it too"
jurov: no i'm trying to explain transactions maintain their identity in blocks
mircea_popescu: they do not. transactions once included are no longer a thing.
decimation: so to be clear - before block 3 is verified, 1testaddress1 sends 20 btc to 1testaddress2, and 1testaddress2 sends 20 btc to 1testaddress3? Is that the issue?
mircea_popescu: they are only a thing while in mempool. but once they're in the block, they melt away.
jurov: you seem to imagine they got poured into the blocks as scraps of gold into a solid brick
mircea_popescu: this is nothing but the actual case.
jurov: it's not the case
mircea_popescu: again : all you can verify, both the most and the least you can verify, are BLOCKS.
jurov: because any new transaction explicitly names each idividual scrap
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "veryinfing a transaction that was already included"
mircea_popescu: that's irrelevant.
jurov: so to verify if you mus pull the scraps out
jurov: i'm about new ones
mircea_popescu: just because that's what you do now doesn't imply it's what you must do.
mircea_popescu: currently proposed transactions are verified on the basis of historically accepted blocks, not on tyhe basis of historically accepted transactions.
ben_vulpes: all that must be done is check that a tx input comes from a previous block.
ben_vulpes: s/./?
mircea_popescu: no.
jurov: can it be done without doing the individual signatures?
ben_vulpes: ah ah but check that a transaction is in a block
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes all that needs to be done is verify that a tx input matches a previously included output, and that the block was valid.
ben_vulpes: got it
mircea_popescu: so it builds on itself
jurov: for that you want to have the outputs indexed somewhere
mircea_popescu: this "transactions bloodline" bs is a fetter.
mircea_popescu: jurov not more than in the sense of knowing which blocks they were in
jurov: okay, then we're on the same page
mircea_popescu: i think we mgiht be. will have to re-re-read this sometime that's not saturday night in between cabaret and strip club.
ben_vulpes: great
decimation: so, if one 'submits' a chain of 1000 transactions, attached to only one tx output, one can imagine that they might not verify all in the same block, depending on the mempool logic
kakobrekla: if transaction bloodline is bs, why are we against bc shelling/pruning
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because they want to do it stupidly.
mircea_popescu: note that the way proposed above allows one to still verify the whole damned chain from block 1 onwards.
mircea_popescu: in general, we';re not against anything power rangers CLAIM to want to do. it's just that a) thjey never actually do it and b) always break other things 'attempting'
mircea_popescu: and then even more things "fixing" the "attempt"
ben_vulpes: new topic!
ben_vulpes: do bitcoind-node and bitcoind-wallet share a db?
ben_vulpes: s/do/should
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla let me put it another way : the miner output of a block is actually defined by the code as "everything left over once you substract the sum output from the sum input"
mircea_popescu: if this isn't proof that a transaction once included loses its identity i have no idea what would.
jurov: if you need to keep track in which block it is, then it does have identity
jurov: ofc when it is fully spend, then you won't have to do anymore
jurov: *spent
mircea_popescu: jurov afaik you can only "fully spend" inputs.
mircea_popescu: there's a degenerate case where you gift it to miners, but otherwise...
mircea_popescu: once you sign out of an output, it's out.
jurov: we're going in circles
jurov: leave it to later
jurov: goodnight
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
jurov: maybe last try: let's have deposits to mpex sprinkled in various blocks, they are unspent outputs
jurov: now you do withdrawal, you need to gather and sign all of them despite it's the same 1Fx address
jurov: that's fine, that's up to wallet
jurov: BUT
jurov: everyone who wants to check the withdraawal is valid, needs to gether them all too
jurov: to check the signatures
ben_vulpes: how are miners doing it?
jurov: they check as above
ben_vulpes: so they actually troll through the whole blockchain
mircea_popescu: jurov let's take the following case : on march 15th, 1jurovaddress gets 1 btc. on march 20th, 1jurovaddress gets 1 btc.
jurov: yes, hence the various horrible database turds
mircea_popescu: then on 25th march, 1jurovaddress pays 1 btc.
mircea_popescu: now, which btc is spent through this process is not established by you.
ben_vulpes: !up buttonwood_
mircea_popescu: but by miners.
jurov: nope
mircea_popescu: all you establish is you have 1 btc left
jurov: nope
mircea_popescu: otherwise, they sort and spend the 15th btc.
jurov: nope
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> jurov i thought we were discussing bitcoin as a spec, rather than bitcoin as a hack. <<
mircea_popescu: srsly, what are we doing here!
ben_vulpes: i'm talking about the reference implementation.
ben_vulpes: what miners do is...unknowable?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes is this "bitcoin as it should be" or "bitcoin as it is to be inferred from current codebase"
jurov: well mircea, then make a spec. many people unsuccessfully tried various mixing proposals that were supposed to do what you propose
jurov: maybe monero has it, dunno
jurov: but it hasnt' anything with bitcoin then
mircea_popescu: honestly i thought this is what the topic was.
ben_vulpes: but you're saying that if i cook up a transaction that has 1march29th as an input, the miners should actually rewrite that to use 1march15th as an input?
ben_vulpes: how is my signature even valid in that scenario?
ben_vulpes: perhaps i don't understand what all gets signed. more than likely.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah. im just saying, if it's ambiguous, then it's ambiguous.
jurov: it was never ambiguous
jurov: nor there was successful attempt to make it so so far
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> once you sign out of an output, it's out. < o.O
ben_vulpes: if i want to spend my low-priority outputs, that's my problem.
mircea_popescu: jurov weren't you proposing that *somehow* there's ambiguous outputs as the entire point of what you were saying ?
ben_vulpes: much like if you want a > 1m transaction that's your problem
jurov: mircea where?
mircea_popescu: <jurov> now you do withdrawal, you need to gather and sign all of them despite it's the same 1Fx address << it's whjat i took this to introduce.
mircea_popescu: no srsly, we will have to revisit this topic later.
jurov: it's not ambigouous, *you*, means your wallet picks up individual deposits
jurov: makes a withdrawal out of them
jurov: and no miner ever has a say in which ones
mircea_popescu: but if they are different outputs, included in variuous blocks... they're verifiable by those blocks... ?
mircea_popescu: mebbe i dun understand what the problem is.
jurov: no, they're verifiable by themselves
jurov: regardless if they are in blocks
mircea_popescu: 1 btc from block 5, 1.5 btc also from block 5, 2 btc from block 6 -> 4.5 btc to 1derp
jurov: ^yes now that transaction would list both inputs from block 5
mircea_popescu: right, different outputs for that matter.
mircea_popescu: but the reason you know they're valid outputs is that block 5 is a valid block.
mircea_popescu: the reason ytou know block 5 is a valid block IS that they were valid outputs, or was at the time, but this is a separate topic.
jurov: "valid" and "confirmed" are two things
mircea_popescu: see ? that's the whole thing. that these two are separate.
mircea_popescu: well yes!
jurov: you can have valid unconfirmed transactions, even valid tx that spend unconfirmed transactions
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: but once in a block, all you can have is a confirmed block.
jurov: check that is it valid is done by checking all the inputs' singatures
mircea_popescu: you can't have "these are the valid and these are the invalid txn of block 6"
jurov: check that it is verified is done by checking it's in block somewhere
mircea_popescu: that is true but also irrelevant!
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: maybe the reason we've talked so long about this is because we're saying the same thing/
jurov: maybe. the issue was the need to track unspent outputs, regardless of
jurov: whether they are mined or not
ben_vulpes: and all of this because i asked about what should bear responsibility for creating and signing transactions.
jurov: right. and even if node doesn't create txs itself, i'm asking about verifying whatever txs flying around
jurov: *are
jurov: ok, see you later
mircea_popescu: going at it the other way, consider this discussion :
mircea_popescu: A. I own 500 btc.
mircea_popescu: B. I don't believe you.
mircea_popescu: A. Here's proof i control address X, and here's a payment of 500 btc to it *included in block Y*
mircea_popescu: B. A, ok.
mircea_popescu: what's being verified is a) control of the address in question and b) bitcoin feeding it included in a block.
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decimation: !up buttonwood_
decimation: buttonwood_: do you work for the economist?
buttonwood_: nope, why do you ask
decimation: there's a semi-anonymous column there by the same name?
mats: seems ddosbot has been powered down
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buttonwood_: I've been really interested in applying the smart contract technology to bitcoin-otc. Are there currently any active smart contracts or oracles doing escrow trading on bitcoin irc ?
mats: its not a real thing, buttonwood_.
mats: hasn't been done, won't be done.
buttonwood_: @mats what's not?
buttonwood_: why not
mats: 'smart contract technology'.
mats: because 'hard ai' doesn't exist yet.
buttonwood_: what about a multi sig oracle
mats: all extant projects purporting to be 'smart contract technology' is a scam. like ethereum.
mats: look, you can't offload the complex business of trust to anything but a human.
mats: can't be done. deal with people you trust or don't do business, full stop.
buttonwood_: but the trust can be drastically reduced
buttonwood_: multi sig is a perfect example
mats: multi sig and escrow are essentially bad patches to a broken trust model
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64709 @ 0.00049611 = 32.1028 BTC [+] {4}
mats: sack up and take responsibility for your actions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59891 @ 0.00048544 = 29.0735 BTC [-] {4}
mats: offloading due diligence and trying to use technology as a crutch to paper over deficiencies in your business relationship sounds suspiciously like the old world way of doing things
buttonwood_: There has to be a better way to do otc trades tho. I can't believe that trusting somebody on bitcoin-otc with a good rating is the optimal solution
mats: use the ratings and talk to the raters
buttonwood_: @mats do you work on any bitcoin related projects currently?
mats: nope
ben_vulpes: <mats> use the ratings and talk to the raters << this. again and again, this.
ben_vulpes: buttonwood_: you can't trust people that you don't trust. end of story.
ben_vulpes: trust is built over time, and can't be abstracted out.
ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot buttonwood_
assbot: buttonwood_ is not registered in WoT.
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust buttonwood_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user buttonwood_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=buttonwood_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=buttonwood_ | Rated since: never
ben_vulpes: you're clearly in a good position to be talking about how business should be done around here.
mats: man, this sicilian lentil soup is fucking amazing
ben_vulpes: ;;echo /msg assbot amazing
gribble: /msg assbot amazing
ben_vulpes: ;;echo /msg ben_vulpes hello
gribble: /msg ben_vulpes hello
ben_vulpes: boo
ben_vulpes is an incompetent hacker
mats: 21:15:50 <+mats> multi sig and escrow are essentially bad patches to a broken trust model << in the way you mean to use it, that is
buttonwood_: for example, futures and options are largely inexistent in bitcoin. Mainly because of the trust involved if you were to sell me an option. If we used an oracle to do multi sig escrow or step in when there's a dispute the oracle could ensure both sides make good on the contract
ben_vulpes: there was an options exchange for a while, buttonwood_.
buttonwood_: which one MPOE?
ben_vulpes: that'd be the one, yeah.
ben_vulpes: !up buttonwood_
buttonwood_: thx
ben_vulpes: anyways, there was one. are you aware of why it shut down?
ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob/status/559174647309021187 << this town
assbot: Let's hope no one got hit. http://t.co/3tfuQiAbAv
ben_vulpes: anyways, buttonwood_ are you still interested in working this thread?
Pierre_Rochard: buttonwood_ Mainly because of the trust involved if you were to sell me an option. < I’d say it’s mainly because the volatility and discount rate are going to be completely out of whack until fiat is destroyed
buttonwood_: yes they would certainly be expensive
Pierre_Rochard: hence, “largely inexistent”
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ben_vulpes: buttonwood_: ^^ that bet right there is a good example of best-in-class contracts.
ben_vulpes: arbitrated by...humans.
Pierre_Rochard: ^ exactly, the difference between a computer oracle and a human arbitrator approaches nil over time
Pierre_Rochard: ;;gettrust buttonwood_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Pierre_Rochard to user buttonwood_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Pierre_Rochard&dest=buttonwood_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=buttonwood_ | Rated since: never
ben_vulpes: assuming they're any good of course
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mats: mircea_popescu: i've observed that the number of cases meeting the parameters in the courts-circus project are very scarce: i've read every case involving the judges nubbins` listed, with the keyword privacy on Westlaw, which yielded about 90 cases
mats: mircea_popescu: but there are 11 judges with 0 cases and 12 with just 1. i'm now going through and reading every case involving USG, i've cleared ten judges this way, but the number of cases i've been able to find have been fairly low in number
mats: mircea_popescu: are you interested in loosening the requirements?
mats: i figured i'd give it a shot before proceeding, i've put at least 400 hours in already and i believe there may not be quite a lot of useful data at the end if i continue this way
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mircea_popescu: <buttonwood_> I've been really interested in applying the smart contract technology to bitcoin-otc. Are there currently any active smart contracts or oracles doing escrow trading on bitcoin irc ? << no. people do thje trust calculation by hand.
mircea_popescu: <mats> multi sig and escrow are essentially bad patches to a broken trust model << mats is like the oracle on the topic now!
mircea_popescu: buttonwood_> There has to be a better way to do otc trades tho. << nope. isn't, for provable reason. isn't happening in practice, either.
mircea_popescu: !up coderwill
mircea_popescu: davout http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7k6w/the_emperor_is_buttnaked_btc_block_size/ << apparently you got haters
assbot: The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpvB1r )
mircea_popescu: <mats> mircea_popescu: are you interested in loosening the requirements? << perhaps. do you see meaningful expansions ?
decimation: at the present time, it seems to me that bitcoin derivatives do not serve a real market need
mircea_popescu: well, public facing ones anyway.
decimation: yeah. the public can make bitbets; that's probably mostly what they want anyway
mats: mats is like the oracle on the topic now! << not sure if you're criticizing what i said there
mats: perhaps. do you see meaningful expansions ? << how about the production of communications to include voice, where there is a written record of it? e.g. transcript of wiretap log
mats: i was hoping you'd have a better idea tbh.
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asciilifeform: !up Alina-malina
diametric: http://vimeo.com/74025061?1
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diametric: Somehow I've never seen this before.
mircea_popescu: mats was not criticizing, was approving.
mircea_popescu: how about the production of communications to include voice << im not sure right off what that'd do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7268 @ 0.00050758 = 3.6891 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: all you can verify, both the most and the least you can verify, are BLOCKS. << yes.
asciilifeform: now is the time for folks who have not actually bothered to read the fscking source, to confess.
asciilifeform: srsly it's finitely long. just do it.
asciilifeform: you might need a decade to find all the weird, quasi-exploitable hair, but to get a basic understanding of how the thing works - is another matter. very doable.
asciilifeform: exhortation, from now on, abbreviated for convenience, 'RTFT' (read the fucking turd.)
mircea_popescu: http://www.dogeillionaires.com << who did this one ?!
assbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1uKxtRQ )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't actually.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-111701 << 'confirmed' << i ponied up on 12/31, where's the 'confirmed'
assbot: The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1uKxzJ3 )
mircea_popescu: i suppose it is a testament to my scholarship that i can actually get away with outsourcing the actual readsing ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're in teh list arentcha ? he asked me specifically to confirm. you're also confirmed!
asciilifeform: aha, did not check
asciilifeform lazy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sorta assumed that you either read it, or had it read to you, or wrote compatible gadget
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because you showed symptoms of understanding correctly how it works
mircea_popescu: nah, just, i know what qs to ask of people. "go read it and i'll ask you things"
ben_vulpes: amusingly, i was confirmed without paying.
mircea_popescu: i was also lazy.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes guest speaker ?
asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes: almos
ben_vulpes: almost*
mircea_popescu: nah, ben_vulpes only scammed participant. neglected to send 2.x ended up sending 8.x
ben_vulpes: too bad i'm too bad of a scammer to pull it off
mircea_popescu: tru story.
ben_vulpes: worst story.
ben_vulpes: hatchu.
ben_vulpes: for the record, attendance declarations are only binding on those who wish to attend, not his unimpeachable lordship mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol i sorta assume he'll be there.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't that be the pirate of all time
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i refer of course to the quoted price of attendance.
ben_vulpes: re dogillionaires, that was fluffypony
ben_vulpes: !s bitcoinate
assbot: 23445 results for 'bitcoinate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoinate
ben_vulpes: mthreat this is almost worse than useless
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have been repeating, like mantra, 'stemming search must die'
asciilifeform: because it must.
asciilifeform: it simply needs to get off the planet. it is an instrument of muppetry, plain and simple.
ben_vulpes: on a previous topic, eg bitcoinating
asciilifeform: does 'grep' include stemming? nein.
ben_vulpes: here's a proposed list
mircea_popescu: a kk
ben_vulpes: - download and validate blocks
ben_vulpes: translate block height to block hash
ben_vulpes: - translate block height to block hash
ben_vulpes: - return the height of the current best-known chain
ben_vulpes: - return a block corresponding to a given hash
ben_vulpes: - relay transactions to the network
ben_vulpes: (fin)
asciilifeform: seems like it all sits inside 'validate blocks', no ?
asciilifeform: so the postulates aren't orthogonal.
ben_vulpes: true enough
ben_vulpes: but there are subspaces, if you'll allow the floppiness of wording.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason, incidentally, i didn';t read it myself is i dun trust my rudimentary c understanding.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is just the kind of manual which ought to live in a 'lions book' commentary on source.
mircea_popescu: best have ppl that spoeak the language tlel you what the paper says.
ben_vulpes: f'r instance, the thing should cough up on the command line, a block if given a hash
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's actually heavily idiomatic cpp. with extensive use of 'high level construct' libs like 'boost' ('iterate', various data structure diddles, etc.)
mircea_popescu: aham
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rather painful to read for anyone who is not in a daily habit of birthing similarly flavoured monstrosities
asciilifeform had to open a book
mircea_popescu: "let' smake c more like java on wheels"
ben_vulpes: idiomatic cpp aside, thoughts on the list?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: how can you forget my dogeillionaires redirect!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes 2nd step, what's it mean ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony ;/ so many lulz, so little head
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if i know that the most recent block was of height N, I can ask bitcoind-node for the hash of the block at height N
ben_vulpes: (or N-1, or N-M)
mircea_popescu: this is an ambigous request.
ben_vulpes: because of multiple chains?
mircea_popescu: "on whjich chain"
mircea_popescu: yes
ben_vulpes: hm.
ben_vulpes: ofc. central concern, this.
mircea_popescu: the notion of N must be subordinate ot the blocks only identifier, its hash
mircea_popescu: (another bit of braindamage th epower rangers forced upon the world, other than "historical transaction validity" as a thing, is "block as aheight"
ben_vulpes: i see it.
ben_vulpes: "there is only one chain" as well.
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense of the first order, an utter antipattern, and iof they weren't stupid as frogs i'd suspect its deliberate
ben_vulpes: "antipattern" << lol
mircea_popescu: like sending you to hunt for snipes so yo ucan't be a huner)
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mircea_popescu: think of it as "chain of pointers" and now tell me who the fuck doesn't flunk the idiot that actually keeps an enumeration array for the chain
mircea_popescu: best way to crash undebuggably ever.
ben_vulpes: then this implies a requirement that a bitcoind-node know about and be able to return data about the various chains of which it knows.
mircea_popescu: depends what are you trying to do /
ben_vulpes: spec a node, i guess.
mircea_popescu: with the list i mean.
asciilifeform: chain of pointers << tree. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right.
ben_vulpes: if you'll forgive the glib response, figure out what can be riven from the satoshi codebase
asciilifeform: (satoshi did not go in for book-learning, it seems, esp. re: data structures, but that doesn't mean that we have to forget school) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no asciilifeform put it in proper terms. it's a tree.
mircea_popescu: you can, if you wish, implement a function that returns "equibranches" on a tree.
mircea_popescu: but this is a secondary consideration.
ben_vulpes: secondary to?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it does, unfortunately, mean that they who did forget / never had what to forget can pass for "geniuses"
mircea_popescu: but it is what it is.
asciilifeform: wai wat
asciilifeform: the pleasures of reinvention ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, just the power ranger lot. they'd have (i optimistically assume) been excluded / self out-selected if the satoshi actually understood programming.
ben_vulpes is but a humble student of the trade
mircea_popescu: a codebase that's written by a monkey is more liable to attact "do-ocracy" monkeys than one written by a sane person.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hard to say. dead rat and dead lion get eaten by crows just the same
mircea_popescu: also true. i guess it may drop here.
asciilifeform: or...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes secondary to whatever it is you're doing.
asciilifeform: i can picture a surface so mirror-smooth that barnacles cannot stick.
asciilifeform: but not often have seen this in life.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform emacs, right ? :D
asciilifeform: obligatory: https://gist.github.com/pete/665971
assbot: Various implementations of the 'cat' command, for comparison. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C02pQ8 )
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/ea602c535d351e849b76fe966a013294/tumblr_nbhlmf6IBJ1sb822ho1_500.jpg pic related.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C02qUc )
mircea_popescu: 782 22684 gnu-cat.c o.O
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mircea_popescu: anyway, so gnu's written in php. what's new.
mircea_popescu: static char line_buf[LINE_COUNTER_BUF_LEN] = { ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', ' ', '0', '\t', '\0' };
mircea_popescu: ok i've seen enough
mircea_popescu: unless the number of lines is larger than 999999. */
ben_vulpes: my eyes :(
asciilifeform linked this for a reason.
mircea_popescu is brb, making 999999 line files.
nubbins`: https://i.imgur.com/FYSrEMp.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C03zuW )
nubbins`: found it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: go straight for MAXINT.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i can tell by some of the pixels.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/884ac86273060b7f8a5acbd3df900483/tumblr_nh3ii8btd11sb822ho1_500.jpg <<< HANDCARVED
nubbins`: heh
ben_vulpes: i discovered recently that "baby" carrots aren't so much "lathed" as they are knocked around in a conical abrasive vessel
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: you flappin
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-111706 << ne1 know this guy ?
assbot: The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C04wU3 )
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://www.saucal.com/
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mircea_popescu: ok... ?
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: 'tis all i got
ben_vulpes: perhaps a lonely registered participant?
nubbins`: http://hyperfool.com/ufcknubbins.mp4
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mircea_popescu: so what's going to be your next victim, nubbins` ?
nubbins`: a bowl of cereal
fluffypony: lol
mod6: maybe it's this guy: http://www.wired.com/2013/10/robocoin_here/
assbot: World's First Bitcoin ATM Arrives at Coffee Shop, Goes Live Tomorrow | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1C05G1Y )
mod6: oh nm.
mircea_popescu: the fucking headlines these people are doing
fluffypony: Nubbins`: you should launch FNC, FuckNubbinsCoin
mircea_popescu: winchel would chisel them into little egg supports.
fluffypony: You already have a logo
mod6: well then theres this: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/mitchelldemeter
assbot: Mitchell Demeter | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1C05Xls )
nubbins`: fluffypony i lel'd heartily at the video
mircea_popescu: yeah nubbins` print it on a square piece of cloth
mircea_popescu: "artisan"
nubbins`: big reveal at the start: lasered art in wood
mod6: Cointrader exchange, etc? *shrug*
nubbins`: then he fucks with it with his dremel w/ the sandpaper attachment (??)
nubbins`: sprays water on it at one point
ben_vulpes: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchellcallahan << mod6 i found this one
assbot: Mitchell Callahan | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1C068Nx )
nubbins`: y'know, like you do with wood
fluffypony: Only watermelon ivory
ben_vulpes: ah, he's a Joseph David stoolie
ben_vulpes: how was the strip club, hanbot?
mircea_popescu: joseph david ?!
ben_vulpes: David Joseph?
ben_vulpes: CaVirtEx
ben_vulpes: the one who did a runner with a Havelock "raise"
ben_vulpes: heh. "one".
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: wait. wasn't that kumala that did the vtx thing ?
ben_vulpes: oh is there a CaVirtEx and VirtEx?
mircea_popescu: yes.
ben_vulpes: nm
ben_vulpes: ah it's the whole gang
mod6: ben_vulpes: oh my bad. my eyes are bleary.
ben_vulpes: mod6: my contacts are gumming up too :)
mircea_popescu: CAVirtex, Canada’s largest and oldest Bitcoin online exchange, is facing a potential class action lawsuit to the tune of $884,880 CAD. The alleged losses were incurred by the lawsuit-bringers after the company offered 10% of its shares for sale on the cryptocurrency-based asset exchange, Havelock Investments then stopped listing the stock by the end of 2013.
mircea_popescu: apparently it is... both
mircea_popescu: o.o
ben_vulpes: wait, cavirtex is virtex?
ben_vulpes: was i right for once?
ben_vulpes: lol will wonders never cease
pete_dushenski: pretty sure ya
mircea_popescu: no. they're different, however,
mircea_popescu: they both scammed.
pete_dushenski: lol oh
fluffypony: Different scams
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i've met mitch callahan a couple times irl
mircea_popescu: these guys "delisted" at a 25% buyback that they didn't really honor
fluffypony: Also not to be confused with Virturex
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/print-page-cryptostocks-vircurex-vcx-going-public.htm << i was thinking of vircurex tho
assbot: Print Page - [CRYPTOSTOCKS] Vircurex [VCX] - Going public ... ( http://bit.ly/1C07kR7 )
mircea_popescu: fluffypony right
mircea_popescu: what do we do once they simply start repeating names ?
pete_dushenski: 2.0!
ben_vulpes: can we stop caring about scams yet?
mircea_popescu: BFL the "Exchange" , pirate the asic manufacturer, woodcutter the ponzi scheme...
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: almost
ben_vulpes: srsly, woodchopper?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes only if you're willing to cut noobs entirely loose
ben_vulpes: they're already cut loose. can't get into b-a
ben_vulpes: no crusading valkyrie
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anything in particular you'd like to know about your interested participant for the conference?
mircea_popescu: i thought nubbins was contemplating a genderbendin' surgical intervention.
ben_vulpes: only counts if it comes with wings
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nothing in particular, just the general.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and a spear.
ben_vulpes: i thought he was going under the knife to get rid of the spear
ben_vulpes: "dick surgery"?
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: oh
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934713.0
assbot: Step by step. How To Scam People With New Ann. Coin ?? ... ( http://bit.ly/1C07OXo )
fluffypony: Best thread
mircea_popescu: i think he has been delaborately confusing us to gain time
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mitch runs a little coding shop, they do some web design as well
mircea_popescu: you know him /
nubbins`: he actually posted the video hey
pete_dushenski: his shop did the new website for cavirtex
nubbins`: http://hyperfool.com/ufcknubbins.mp4
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a bit
nubbins`: pretty rough watch
nubbins`: i'd recommend someone else watch it and give you a summary
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: we've met twice, once for drinks, once for coffee
pete_dushenski: he lives in calgary
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: https://www.cavirtex.com/home << but but that's the old site!
assbot: Canadian Virtual Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1C082On )
pete_dushenski: actually he might've moved to toronto but no matter
ben_vulpes: 100% canadian lol
ben_vulpes: gets me every time
pete_dushenski: he's a programmer
pete_dushenski: i poked him to figure out pgp, he did
ben_vulpes: oh god not programmers
pete_dushenski: i don't think he's done his 6 months tho, not seriously
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: new logo!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes shut up and eat your cult programmeas.
ben_vulpes: i ain't eating programmers
ben_vulpes: no females in that set
mircea_popescu: i ate a female programmers
ben_vulpes: a plural of one?
mircea_popescu: better than male. no hairs.
mircea_popescu: not even on neck.
ben_vulpes: just stay clear of her heirs
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyways, mitch sends me the off pgp-gram, and i recently sent him to the trilema jobs board
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes her heirettes might toss good salad ?
pete_dushenski: then he said "oh, what about this conference?" and i told him to leave a comment if he was interested
pete_dushenski: looks like he did
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ah i c
ben_vulpes: herr heiress!
ben_vulpes: that's how the staff'll address my she-spawn
ben_vulpes: aw i fucked the genders there didn't i
mircea_popescu: hopefully just one.
ben_vulpes: YOU KNOW IT
mircea_popescu: it'd be heiress herrin
mircea_popescu: maybe she could be called herring
mircea_popescu: then it'd be heiress Herrin Herring
ben_vulpes: i'm rarin to go harin' after herrin herring
ben_vulpes: anyways, how does this work in practice: 2 mining pools release a block (B, C), building off the prev (A) - do miners arbitrarily choose which child block to continue building on?
mircea_popescu: from the protocol pov, it's arbitrary.
ben_vulpes: in practice though
ben_vulpes: do ops frantically get on the horn to get their block into the long chain?
mircea_popescu: in practice either whichever they hear first or whichever has better likely outcomes
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: point in case, march fork.
hanbot: <ben_vulpes> how was the strip club, hanbot? << no buttered strip clubs for me, thanks, i'm off to play the grand piano
ben_vulpes: what actually happened there? i thought the forked chain was rejected?
ben_vulpes: hanbot: *buttered* strip clubs?!
ben_vulpes: what strange am i missing out on
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: come to think of it, mitch has been by assets before but under a pseudonym
pete_dushenski: ;;seen menahem
gribble: menahem was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 weeks, 3 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <menahem> lemme verify my id again. brb, heading to an office space. gracias for the welcome.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell thestrin1puller ffs thestringpuller fix your bouncer
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ^kid's not a joo even
mircea_popescu: " do ops frantically get on the horn to get their block into the long chain?" << through that process.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> then it'd be heiress Herrin Herring << who opens up an earing shop, obviously
ben_vulpes: the fork-block didn't make it into the main chain, correct?
mircea_popescu: you're talking of ambiguous things as if they were specified.
mircea_popescu: "the winner of world war three was a good man, right ?
mircea_popescu: "totally"
mircea_popescu: hanbot hopefully she's earnin' with it.
ben_vulpes: "main chain" << the ambiguous bit?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/25_notes-on-increasing-the-maximum-bitcoin-block-size-or-why-it-aint-happenin.html << hey ben_vulpes did gavin ever respond to that one ? << hey this one actually doesn't read too poorly a few months later
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mircea_popescu: yehn
mircea_popescu: pity you're not an economist like oleg andreev
mircea_popescu: or whatever other random css expert gavin found on fiverr.
ben_vulpes: amusingly, oleg andreev abandoned the only decent gui client for 'git' on os x
ben_vulpes: it's amusing to watch everyone manually patch the closed source turdball to cope with each successive os x upgrade
ben_vulpes: in order to do what precisely with bitcoin?
ben_vulpes: certainly not hang out with the asshats.
mircea_popescu: man on stationary bike isn't catching any trains.
punkman: http://hyperfool.com/ufcknubbins.mp4 < lol this guy, 1 hour to carve one huge N and he can't even do a straight line. just digging on the wood with all the wrong rotarytool bits.
mircea_popescu: !up metsuno
pete_dushenski: metsuno: get a cloak eh
mircea_popescu: punkman he did it deliberately so it's artistic and unique
mircea_popescu: doh
mircea_popescu: there's a book "luxury rotary bits management" you should read.
pete_dushenski: unless web access is immune from ddosbot, i dunno if it is
mircea_popescu: i thought the ddos derp crapped out earlier.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im off. take it easy ye buncha socialists.
ben_vulpes: from hampshire?
ben_vulpes: metsuno you're going to get expelled hanging out here
nubbins`: hm
metsuno: sorry
metsuno: I'm shy
pete_dushenski: laters mp
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: how's the ride?
nubbins`: punkman i'm not sure why nobody is mentioning that the design is already laser etched into the fuckin piece when the video starts
nubbins`: then the guy just runs his dremel around the already-engraved letter
nubbins`: like...
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: parked for the weekend
nubbins`: maybe the man is mentally ill
pete_dushenski: it's unbelievably warm here
punkman: nubbins, oh it looked like pencil, but then I wondered about the outer circles
pete_dushenski: like +6C
ben_vulpes: nubbins` this comes back to the trouble of identifying malice vs incompetence
nubbins`: punkman fullscreen that shit
nubbins`: the whole thing is actually etched before the camera is turned on
nubbins`: i'm tempted to go get the design laser etched onto a piece myself
nubbins`: and create my own video of me dremelling it
nubbins`: but that would definitely qualify as "getting out of hand"
punkman: you could do the same job with a dull spoon I think
ben_vulpes: stahp
ben_vulpes: plz
ben_vulpes: plz no buly
ben_vulpes: http://hyperfool.com/ufcknubbins.mp4 << ah shit 1 hour in loving the burns
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: i'm all "why didn't he laser the entire background if he's gonna do this?"
nubbins`: "o, wait, hand mumble mumble"
nubbins`: did you get to the part where he sprays water on the wood?
ben_vulpes: lol no.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: i guess it brings out the grain
nubbins`: much more so than, say, oil
ben_vulpes: i scrubbed to 1 hour in, saw the burns, bailed
nubbins`: yeah heh
nubbins`: the start was v suspenseful
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: it actually shows the grain remarkably well, and nondestructively to boot
ben_vulpes: !up cazalla
ben_vulpes: dafuq's up with your keys, caz?
cazalla: pete_dushenski, you driving around in john voight's car or wut?
ben_vulpes: lol just here for the zingers
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pete_dushenski: cazalla: john's ? mebbe. saddam's ? definitely.
punkman: the end with the laser pointer and text that says "hey first piece I lazered"
pete_dushenski: in fact, i've named my mercedes just that: "saddam"
punkman: "Beyond that, this is the season when i import all my wood to get me through the next year. That means on average i have from 1 to 5 trucks showing up a week, 1 or 2 shipments coming through customs i need to keep on top of, and also a dozen employees to keep track of."
punkman: trucks of wood!
nubbins`: hm
ben_vulpes: i...
ben_vulpes: man
nubbins`: i suspect smoothie from the forums is kinda stupid
cazalla: pete_dushenski, everybody's talk at you but you can't hear a word they're saying.. just driving 'round in saddam's car
ben_vulpes: you guys gotta stop bringing these scams around here
nubbins`: actually, remove "suspect" and "kinda"
nubbins`: and "i" or else it doesn't make sense
ben_vulpes: hahaha
ben_vulpes: just write the regex okay?
nubbins`: ;;google regex.info
gribble: Jeffrey Friedl's Web Sites: <http://regex.info/>; Jeffrey Friedl's Exif (Image Metadata) Viewer: <http://regex.info/exif.cgi>; Regular-Expressions.info - Regex Tutorial, Examples and ...: <http://www.regular-expressions.info/>
nubbins`: ^ quicker than putting chrome into focus
nubbins`: wait that's not right
nubbins`: ;;google regular-expressions.info
gribble: Regular-Expressions.info - Regex Tutorial, Examples and ...: <http://www.regular-expressions.info/>; Regular Expressions Reference - Regular-Expressions.info: <http://www.regular-expressions.info/reference.html>; Tutorial - Regular-Expressions.info: <http://www.regular-expressions.info/tutorial.html>
nubbins`: there
ben_vulpes: man i hate regexen
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: powerful, but so is finally fitting a medicine ball in your asshole
ben_vulpes blinks
nubbins`: ...so i've heard
ben_vulpes: how does that work
nubbins`: generally only once.
ben_vulpes: do you just sit down slowly?
ben_vulpes: AlexWkz: your cloak is getting applied after you join channels
nubbins`: once it's in, you sit down quite rapidly
punkman: regexp ftw!
nubbins`: AlexWkz try putting your nickserv password into your network settings
nubbins`: or smth
ben_vulpes: don't just stand there, man!
ben_vulpes: do something!
ben_vulpes: anything!
ben_vulpes: it doesn't matter!
punkman: !up AlexWkz
ben_vulpes: oh yeah that
cazalla: so is this 2gb wood carving tutorial worth the dl or does the thread provide enough lulz?
ben_vulpes: nope not worth anything
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919373.0
assbot: Users of Bitcoin Core on Linux must not upgrade to the latest version of OpenSSL ... ( http://bit.ly/1JorZiI )
punkman: "In some conceivable but unlikely scenarios, you might see incoming transactions as having 6+ confirmations when the transactions are actually invalid"
punkman: ah two weeks old, pardon me
nubbins`: cazalla no
nubbins`: really 2gb?
punkman: http://pics2.brainparking.com/p442/9/y/8390396py9.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18emFRB )
nubbins`: ok
nubbins`: bitspill wins
ben_vulpes: sauce
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.msg10252471#msg10252471
assbot: Videos of WoodCollector Hand Carving: Care of MOB ... ( http://bit.ly/18enYjC )
nubbins`: see quoted text for context
nubbins`: "OK, so he didn't use a laser"
nubbins`: like... dude, are you even having the same conversation as us?
nubbins`: or just copying random words and pasting them into sentences
nubbins`: i officially stop
ben_vulpes: dag
ben_vulpes: please
nubbins`: you could piss in this man's face and tell him his lips are dry, he'd reach for the balm
nubbins`: i regret trying to help
ben_vulpes: well
ben_vulpes: enjoy this instead
ben_vulpes: http://champagne.shithouse.tv/
assbot: champagne ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jou8eg )
nubbins`: that sure is an image
ben_vulpes: sho nuff
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to get a book deal
punkman: http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/02/tinder-makes-its-first-match-in-antarctica.html
assbot: Tinder Makes Its First Match in Antarctica -- The Cut ... ( http://bit.ly/1JouDF5 )
nubbins`: so i have this korg sample sequencer, and it comes with 100 built-in sounds
nubbins`: you have to use an iphone app to load new samples onto it
nubbins`: except they were kind enough to release an SDK, written in C, on github ;o
punkman: doesn't have line in?
nubbins`: http://korginc.github.io/volcasample/index.html
assbot: - volca sample SDK ... ( http://bit.ly/18epC4w )
ben_vulpes: oh hey where's bingoboingo
nubbins`: no line in
nubbins`: it's v inexpensive
ben_vulpes: how does the sound get into it?
nubbins`: modulates it into modem-y sounds
nubbins`: which you play in through the clock sync port
nubbins`: which is an 1/8" audio jack
nubbins`: http://www.korg.com/us/products/dj/volca_sample/
assbot: volca sample DIGITAL SAMPLE SEQUENCER | DJ & Production Tools | KORG ... ( http://bit.ly/18epK4a )
nubbins`: you can also transfer sequence information via this same method
ben_vulpes segfaults
ben_vulpes: no
ben_vulpes: nonono
nubbins`: so, e.g. arrange your patterns beforehand and send em over
nubbins`: it's actually surprisingly fun.
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSTxg43_wBM
assbot: KORG volca sample - Tweak, Play, and Sequence Samples - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JovLZr )
nubbins`: and will literally hit brown notes if connected to a proper sound system
ben_vulpes: i gave up on proper sound systems
ben_vulpes: it just makes life so much worse when people show up and play youtube videos
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: even headphones
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THImd641WXk
assbot: Introducing KORG volca sample - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18eqINQ )
nubbins`: ^ this is the creator messing with it
ben_vulpes: i can't wait for bandwidth to get expensive again
nubbins`: takes one piano sound and makes an entire sequence with it
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thestringpuller: I think that last netsplit resulted in my getting ddosed
ben_vulpes: there he is
thestringpuller: it was pretty bad they disconnected me for 40 minutes off the backbone
ben_vulpes: yowch
thestringpuller: Pretty much like an outage but there wasn't an outage at all, so it had to be DDOS.
thestringpuller: Something is still sucking bandwidth but not as bad.
thestringpuller: like a fat dude sitting in front of my door or something
thestringpuller: how are you ben_vulpes ?
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ben_vulpes: writing a thing
ben_vulpes: first time in months
ben_vulpes: feels good
thestringpuller: now qntra news this weekend?
thestringpuller: no*
ben_vulpes: that's your bag not mine
thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps we have your new pc here. << very interesting
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/01/25_what-does-it-mean-to-bitcoinate-and-just-as-importantly-what-does-bitcoinating-not-include.html
assbot: What does it mean to "bitcoinate"? And just as importantly, what does bitcoinating not include? ... ( http://bit.ly/18evdrH )
ben_vulpes: and to all a good night!
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fluffypony: ben_vulpes: that's precisely the current Monero architecture
fluffypony: the daemon maintains the connection to the network
fluffypony: relays blocks / transactions, stores the blockchain, etc.
fluffypony: and then you can run as many wallet clients as you want
fluffypony: even if they're on separate computers and talk over your LAN to the daemon
fluffypony: oh, and the daemon is also the thing that does / can do solo mining
fluffypony: although it'll gladly serve up work via a GBT-style call
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punkman: http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/04/the-leaning-buildings-of-santos-brazil.html
assbot: The Leaning Buildings of Santos, Brazil | Amusing Planet ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0HM6h )
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punkman: !up coderwill
coderwill: punkman: thanks, cheers
coderwill: I was following a conversation on GitHub for Bitcoin.org, and found it interesting that Circle has explicitly requested to be removed from the site because it targets a different demographic from what they are searching for.
coderwill: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/700#issuecomment-71344693
assbot: Add long time duration HSTS as a requirement for wallets by saivann · Pull Request #700 · bitcoin/bitcoin.org · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGUhkX )
punkman: coderwill, nobody will want anything to do with bitcoin.org or the foundation, sooner or later
coderwill: punkman: i can understand the foundation, but i wonder why the website?
coderwill: punkman: BF just pays a sponsorship fee to help cover the hosting costs, and to support saivann helping maintain it and a few other projects on there, they don't own it
punkman: coderwill: iirc bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org are owned by some dude that for some reason lets various derps use them
punkman: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sirius
assbot: Sirius - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp9RoX )
coderwill: Ah ok, I'm don't know about that.
coderwill: I don't*
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2014#732169 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2014 15:27:40; ThickAsThieves: "bitcoin.org's content is managed by Saïvann Carignan, who is somewhat associated with the Foundation (though not an employee AFAIK), but the bitcoin.org domain name is jointly owned by me, Sirius, and an anonymous person. We will take action if bitcoin.org is being used inappropriately or the development group does something crazy." ~Theymos
punkman: !up coderwill
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decimation: asciilifeform: some guy uploaded a pre-wwii map into the pedi-wikia that plots the locations of functional german hamlets in european ru https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Russia#mediaviewer/File:Russia_ethnic.JPG
assbot: European Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EjmVfh )
decimation: I didn't realize that the Crimea was filled with Tartars
fluffypony: davout: lol
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davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: looks like /r/buttcoin folks are actually agreeing
gribble: The operation succeeded.
davout: "If Bitcoiners could ever get decent adoption and max out that 7 transactions per second the fees wouldn't even have to be that bad. Just make every transaction cost 0.006 BTC and that's just $1.50. That would be the equivalent of the current block reward. But the problem is they've all decided that microtransactions while having an expensive Bitcoin is the killer feature."
davout: seems to me that folks from /r/buttcoin are an order of magnitude less retarded than those in /r/bitcoin
davout: fluffypony: the saivann guy is obviously some sort of topological equivalent of a feminist, tries to push irrelevant shit to feel like he, in some way, matters
davout: ;;isup mpex.co
gribble: mpex.co is up
davout: gribble: lies
mod6: $proxies
empyex: mod6: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: mod6: MPEx-Status: mpex.bz (89 milliseconds), mpex.co (91 milliseconds), mpex.ws (102 milliseconds), mpex.biz (167 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (592 milliseconds)
empyex: mod6: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
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mats: http://www.geekwire.com/2015/microsoft-buy-revolution-analytics-pushing-big-data/
assbot: Microsoft to buy Revolution Analytics, pushing further into big data - GeekWire ... ( http://bit.ly/1z9WK9K )
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mats: http://dedis.cs.yale.edu/dissent/papers/analysis.pdf re: dining cryptographer nets
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GT5bJU )
mats: http://bford.info/pub/net/panopticon-cacm.pdf more on 'Dissent'
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GT5zIz )
mats: http://www.onlineprogrammingbooks.com/legally-free-oreilly-media-books/
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jurov: !mpif
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mircea_popescu: davout well geneally yes, but some voices in particular seem to hate you personally.
ben_vulpes: guten tag saboteure
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davout: i guess so
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/7d46f615b1b0a8b15b62014971b174ee/tumblr_nguhfqJAEQ1sb822ho1_500.jpg happy panties on thighs day.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EklIEA )
davout: as the classical french wisdom goes: "on est tous le connard de quelqu'un d'autre"
mircea_popescu: jstolfi 3 points 14 days ago
mircea_popescu: It looks like he made his goal in life to be the most detestable person in the internet. (Methinks he is still nowhere near that rank, though.) However he is a precious resource, as an expert bitcoiner who enjoys kicking some of the most sacred cows in bitcoinland.
mircea_popescu: so apparently this stolfi brazilian derp figures himself some sort of stragetist or something ?
mircea_popescu: i dun think there's anything more adorkably pathetic than academics aiming for political power. sort-of like the bichon frizee trying to mount a german shepherd in heat.
mircea_popescu: dat dangling minipenis, a foot under the all consuming hole...
mircea_popescu: http://news.yahoo.com/colleague-slain-prosecutor-barred-leaving-argentina-215640674.html <<< pity we can't make bets on whether he "suicides" too. "protective custody" my foot.
assbot: Argentine prosecutor shot point blank in forehead: official - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EkmuBB )
asciilifeform: Can Have Problems (tm) !
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did you see cai guo-qiang's fireworks last night?
mircea_popescu: mnope
mircea_popescu: wassat ?
ben_vulpes: chinese explosives "artist"
ben_vulpes: did the beijing olympics
ben_vulpes: "paints" with gunpowder between vellum sheets
ben_vulpes: saw a scad of his stuff at the guggenheim when i lived in nyc. rather fun.
mircea_popescu: ah la boca.
mircea_popescu: well... i guess because i was mostly indoors ? only 10 or so miles away
ben_vulpes: suspended a bunch of cars right down the center of the place with flourescent tubes to evoke a fireworks show
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: so not actual fireworks ?
ben_vulpes: well not the static piece in the middle of the goog lol no
ben_vulpes: he did the beijing olympics firework show iirc
ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/CasaRosadaAR/status/559146735344562176 << haw
assbot: El periodista Damián Pachter viajó a Uruguay con pasaje de regreso para el 2 de febrero http://t.co/dUGwifa9AO http://t.co/muWhkHEvfK
mircea_popescu: eyah but you're basically assking someone in manhattan if they saw whatever cars in astoria.
mircea_popescu: it's a ways.
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ben_vulpes: yeah but fireworks!
mircea_popescu: dude.
mircea_popescu: was it fireworks or was it suspended cars ?!
mircea_popescu: anyway, either way i somehow didn't see nething.
mircea_popescu: http://latidobuenosaires.com/mapa-de-la-boca.gif << here's a map of ba barrios for the curious
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ba7sbd )
mircea_popescu: !up coderwill
coderwill: thanks
coderwill: just reading about this nisman story, bizarre
mircea_popescu: quite.
ben_vulpes: the cars were at the guggenheim in nyc
ben_vulpes: yeeeears go
ben_vulpes: the guy does fireworks.
ben_vulpes: but whatever, irrelevant.
coderwill: what does la boca have to do w/ the nisman situation?
ben_vulpes: nothing
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yup i missed it w/e it was.
coderwill: ah, n/m then :)
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/41e5fb4725d897b4889563a86f34f07c/tumblr_mgc1uhtoBg1r43ttjo1_500.jpg << guys suck at making cakes.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ekq7aL )
mircea_popescu: !up TL121
ben_vulpes: kinda looks like the self-leveling stuff
ben_vulpes: scam
mircea_popescu: the woman or the goop ?
ben_vulpes ponders the notion of a self-leveling woman
mircea_popescu: "i said give me those buoys!"
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mircea_popescu: "Frank Sinatra had a terrible temper, as shown by his irrational hatred of Barbara Streisand"
mircea_popescu: dude paul anka is fucking retarded. how the fuck would a hatred of nosewoman be irrational ?
pete_dushenski: because rationality says: love jooz
pete_dushenski: or something
ben_vulpes: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/americas-best-selling-cars-and-trucks-are-built-on-lies-the-rise-of-fake-engine-noise/2015/01/21/6db09a10-a0ba-11e4-b146-577832eafcb4_story.html << craaaaapflation
assbot: America’s best-selling cars and trucks are built on lies: The rise of fake engine noise - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ekyinh )
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long until someone makes a sexnoises app
asciilifeform: obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2015#985211 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 01:41:29; asciilifeform: speaking of diamonds (specifically of the synthetic variety), one possible observation here - not concerning the idiocy of the wood thing as such - is that anyone demanding a specific 'colour' (as per the 'monolith' essay) - i.e. provenance - of object, is begging to be chumped
ben_vulpes: i've always wanted to crush some diamonds.
mircea_popescu: "Among purists, the trickery has inspired an identity crisis and cut to the heart of American auto legend. "
mircea_popescu: hjeh
mircea_popescu: look, it's dying, what do you want from it. cars are pretty fucking stupid. they had an economic niche which made us forget temporarily, but it's closed up.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: diamond cleaves along crystal plane - how do you suppose folks cut them prior to lasers ?
pete_dushenski: the fake car noises are because the cars are so well insulated now
pete_dushenski: and the engines are all turbo because "fuel-efficiency"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski but the "idnetity crisis" is not because of the change in car noise.
mircea_popescu: it's because in the change in the future prospects of the whole activity.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i have a notion of how diamond cutting works/ed
asciilifeform: see the advantages: you can reprogram the faux vroom speaker for horse whinny.
mircea_popescu: merely disguises itself as "because X", like a domestic argument. in fact, it's becaue there's going to be a divorce.
ben_vulpes: i want to actually crush some.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you're right, the identity crisis is that of americans as a whole
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how does one go about crushing diamond? hydraulic press?
ben_vulpes: something like that.
mircea_popescu: well that's one thinmg, but specifically as to the car, this entire car-and-zoning-laws-and-sprawl-and-commute model got killed by the internet
mircea_popescu: THAT's disruption.
mircea_popescu: and it's killed and dead and not coming back and everyone and everything will change to get rid of cars, and of the sprawl
mircea_popescu: and of commutes and of the right of "governments" to decide land use.
ben_vulpes: us road infrastructure is falling apart due to expense of maintenance.
pete_dushenski: cheap gas might give it a few more minutes of breath
ben_vulpes: last generation's boondoggle.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes understand : no mistress is ever pooir bnecause "of expense".
mircea_popescu: she's poor becauise she sucks at sucking cock.
mircea_popescu: it's only expensive because we're really done with them. otherwise, they'd be a "great investment".
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski notrly, because it's not really about the gas. it's about the inconvenience.
mircea_popescu: people don't want to spend an hour driving, they want to spend that hour derping on a dating app
pete_dushenski: which would be why average joe can't wait to get a self-driving car
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: weren't they a grand investment for that generation?
mircea_popescu: (not for fucking, mind you. so give them a work at home job where no woman can ever come and a way to score nude tumblrs and that's the new economic model)
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bitcoinfs/bitcoinfs << entirely unrelated. "full node" in f#, m$ "turdlang"
assbot: bitcoinfs/bitcoinfs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1EkAb3m )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah, they were, back when the interstates were built. that's perhaps the shiniest example opf "govt investment in slump" mantra.
mircea_popescu: when it's fucking clear what to spen the money on, so clear even a govt could figure it out, keynesianism works.
pete_dushenski: same thing we're seeing in china at the moment
pete_dushenski: they've used more concrete in the past 3 years than usa in the past century
mircea_popescu: had bush spent ALL the stimulus on making internet connecxtions of 1tbps universally available, i wouldn't be here snubbing my nose at horowitz
pete_dushenski: all for the interstates and highways and byways
mircea_popescu: yeah. bad call.
pete_dushenski: "but it worked for usa"
decimation: the problem with a fancy interstate is that it costs a shitton of $$$ for upkeep
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when do we get cobol node
decimation: and of course it is politically impossible to admit 'we are too poor to have nice roads'
pete_dushenski: decimation: impossible sums of money
mircea_popescu: decimation i never heard of anyone complain that their 16yo cocksucker costs money to upkeep.
mircea_popescu: complaints start after the 30th birthday.
decimation: pete_dushenski: aren't you a fan of the econtalk podcast?
pete_dushenski is, fittingly, working on another car-related article atm
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what about a cl node?
pete_dushenski: ya
mircea_popescu: lol pete, repackage this you're halfway there
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that one is after nubbins` prints the fscking book and i read it
pete_dushenski: this might have to be part deux!
decimation: They had some guy talk about transportation in the us in 2013: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/10/winston_on_tran.html
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1EkAYS2 )
pete_dushenski: scratch that, it's going to be an epic footnote
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8943709 << also saw this this morning
assbot: Mezzanine: A Common Lisp-based 64-bit OS for VirtualBox | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EkB0ZZ )
ben_vulpes: abstractions atop abstractions...
pete_dushenski: decimation: i vaguely remember that one
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know teh second system effect ?
mircea_popescu: where people end up making ftp clients for firefox extensions ? because "it can be done"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see earlier experiment of the same flavour, 'movitz'
decimation: "But, when you sum these things up in terms of what consumers spend in terms of getting to work, various pleasure trips and non-work trips, and then you look at what shippers spend on shipping freight and so on and so forth, and then what the government spends building infrastructure, we're talking shares of GDP (Gross Domestic Product) that approach the amount that we are spending on health care. ... And that's just out of pocket
decimation: expenditures. "
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it isn't that hard to port, e.g., sbcl, to 'metal' - but then you end up in driver hell.
mircea_popescu: decimation all of that used to not matter when one considered on the other side the even greater expenses of the available alternatives.
mircea_popescu: but that other side has evaporated.
ben_vulpes: i've seen windows 3.1 in javascript... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: right ?
decimation: 'other side' being more or less 'private' transport and land use planning?
asciilifeform: death of the auto >> obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833541 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 16:10:16; gribble: Autosaurus - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7aj2ZItuk>; Adbusters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adbusters>; Sim City: Auto-Saurus-Rex, Volcano, UFO's in Spacington! - Spacing ...: <http://spacing.ca/atlantic/2012/06/08/sim-city-auto-saurus-rex-volcano-ufos-in-spacington/>
mircea_popescu: decimation no. "working at home" , "jacking off to porn and looking at sights on pinterest"
mircea_popescu: work and pleasure. solved, and much safer than actually going there.
mircea_popescu: "it's certainly uncontaminated by any cheese", to quote cleese.
decimation: mmorpgs and other like games probably 'employ' much 'excess' capacity in the us
mircea_popescu: we meet irl once a year, and even that's extravagant for like half the people.
mircea_popescu: yet we meet here each day.
mircea_popescu: what if we had to phisically drive to vegas, like kennedy HAD TO in the 50s ?
mircea_popescu: we would, of course. so what the driveway cost would not be a topic of conversation.
mircea_popescu: who here is on an economy internet package ? everyone just "give me the fattest pipe you got" "oh only that ? INTRODUCE LARGER ONES!"
thestringpuller: I nominate mircea_popescu for the bitcoin public service award!
asciilifeform: lol, yeah, see recent thread where i 'what's a gb optic terminal cost plz'
thestringpuller: After reading all of MPOE-PR's post, I have realized MP has done the greatest public service to this community.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well you should have seen town meetings in the 60s. "FIFTY LANES WE MUST HAS! EACH WAY!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laugh if you must, but my town still has these same meetings.
mircea_popescu: yeah well you're in the sticks.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you actually read the whole lot /
mircea_popescu: ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the road never actually gets expanded, of course. but there is endless derp on the subject, for so long as i've lived here (~11 years)
decimation: mircea_popescu: actually much of the worst road 'infrastructure' in the northeast are in cities where people stopped highways from being built
mircea_popescu: decimation im sure.
decimation: around the same time, passenger rail went tits up, so there's little choice except shitty driving
asciilifeform: there is rail here. it is mainly used to get in and out of wash., d.c.
mircea_popescu: boston actually had excellent rail system. perhaps the best in the us.
mircea_popescu: back in 2004, it was car after carful of people all reading a book
mircea_popescu: i've seen pics these days. half as full, everyone on gadget.
decimation: in fact, the sitting senator for maryland, mikulski, was personally involved in leading the riot to stop the connection of I-70 to downtown
decimation: because it was racis
mircea_popescu: it's just... moving around is dead.
asciilifeform: if only it were entirely dead
decimation: I suspect wash dc is one of the few cities with a major upper class commuting culture
decimation: because usg is too stupid to move to somewhere cheaper
mircea_popescu: decimation govt employees are not upper class.
decimation: heh, well it's what passes in wash dc
asciilifeform: actually, usg ministries where no official secrets are involved - now routinely let folks grunt remotely
asciilifeform: e.g., patent office.
mircea_popescu: of course the lord's slave mistress is what passes for upper class among the slaves. nevertheless, the actual upper class regards the favored equal to the common slave.
nubbins`: cough
mircea_popescu: decimation how was teh connection racis ?
nubbins`: the book indeed
thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 8 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps we have your new pc here. << very interesting
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: have you made contact with BingoBoingo?
thestringpuller: QNTRA is stale :(
mircea_popescu: <decimation> because usg is too stupid to move to somewhere cheaper <>< nah, not how it works. wherever it moves, the bedbugs move there too. it won't stay cheaper.
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i have not, no.
mircea_popescu: did he get browbagged ?!
thestringpuller: hope feds haven't kidnapped him.
thestringpuller: i swear d00ds were following me in fed-like manner in rural georgia last night.
nubbins`: what manner is that
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller did you submit an article or something ?
thestringpuller: I was gonna do some weekend snippet posts to help lighten the load.
mircea_popescu: so did you submit anything ?
thestringpuller: more of "inquiry". article snippet is still in VIM rite nao.
mircea_popescu: aha
thestringpuller: usually BB tells me if subject matter is "worthy" or not of qntra
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/444e9675df9943ed6c6d5a885c8dd174/tumblr_ng4oj5R4S01tmf8ldo1_500.jpg << apparently chicks CAN be hawt in glasses.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqaLOg )
thestringpuller: but yea
thestringpuller: someone dropped this in my PM's >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934268.0;all
thestringpuller: where do you find such tasetful porn?!?
nubbins`: who is burtw
mircea_popescu: burt wagner
thestringpuller: he ran a Pirate Passthru back in times of yore
mircea_popescu: ambiguous, was a pedo early bitcoin advocate with a ridoinculous hourlong webshow
mircea_popescu: was also one of the guys involved in "banker cartel" pirate bs.
nubbins`: o
mircea_popescu: in his defense, this later one was the saner of the bunch
nubbins`: show me an early advocate without a severe sexual disorder
mircea_popescu: iirc he even apologized and errything. dun recall if privately or publicly or what, years ago.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ikr ?!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you should fish out the shows tho, they're great. derp has the camera filming in demo mode
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: and it's alltogether just a bunch of artisanship
thestringpuller: nubbins`: I guess their mommy's told them playing with their weewee is bad.
nubbins`: reminds me of the time i filmed my death & had it played for my school lit class while i took the final week off
nubbins`: frame changes to view from bottom of bridge
nubbins`: CONTRAGULATIONS in glorious chunky white vhs-c lettering superimposed on the bottom
nubbins`: completely by accident, no way to remove it. we deemed it fitting and didn't re-shoot.
mircea_popescu: an hero is you ?
nubbins`: an hero wasn't me, a bunch of ears of corn broke my fall
nubbins`: then an unrelated scuffle on the bridge led to a man being thrown off, landing on me and killing me
nubbins`: it was a real roller coaster
mircea_popescu: i recall this grandiose commie romanian cinema thing, where "so what do we do ?! " "well... he can jump on some ears of corn" "but the camera will pick them up". pause. "not if you cover them in a brick painted sheet"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I can submit writeup if deemed worthy otherwise It'll stay in the vim buffer
mircea_popescu: guy ended up falling on an inexplicable pile of bricks
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/25/a-retrospective-on-six-years-in-the-car-blogosphere/
assbot: A retrospective on six years in the car blogosphere | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bqbxuo )
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935720.0
assbot: [WTB] Laser-engraved blocks of wood ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bqbwqq )
nubbins`: i lel'd
ben_vulpes: entirely unrelated, it strikes me that a full node should probably provide "getwork" type commands for miners
nubbins`: he's actually kind of an older guy hey?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why ?
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mircea_popescu: "Preference will be given to those who provide video of them damaging the finished piece with a dremel tool." lol ok
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: there's screen grabs somewhere
decimation: re: baltimore: www.prrac.org/pdf/mohl.pdf "Over the next few years, RAM continued to protest the "victimization" of black communities in the path of the interstate, which purposefully seemed designed to take "the heart out of one of the most stable communities in Baltimore." Facing the removal of 10,000 blacks who lived in the path of the east-west expressway, RAM activists challenged the highway engineers who “view people as just
decimation: another obstacle, like a hill to be leveled or a valley to be bridged.”"
nubbins`: incidentally his actual profession is "treatment plant operator" but w/e
mircea_popescu: "To most, the fact that Lila called Mitch a hero for killing himself is strange. "
mircea_popescu: dumbass purimericans. yo, seneca killed himself!
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.msg10255332#msg10255332
assbot: Videos of WoodCollector Hand Carving: Care of MOB ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbqt24 )
mircea_popescu: "to deny entropy that final satisfaction".
nubbins`: i probably would actually pay upwards of $100 for that piece, as-is.
pete_dushenski: ^all the car tawk is in footnote viii :)
nubbins`: A++++ would hang on wall
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's a great way to end up in 20 years surrounded by junk
nubbins`: i purge as often as i binge
mircea_popescu: decimation you know i can actually see that argument ?
nubbins`: space is at a premium here 8)
mircea_popescu: not as to racism in any sense, but as to why it's a bad idea
nubbins`: anyway, my dad makes pen blanks, he'd love it
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i guess not in the spirit of modular design.
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah I think you have a good point
ben_vulpes: perhaps better would be a thing that connects to the network, slurps out unconfirmed transactions and poops that back out as the mining input...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, if you gonna do something, best know why you're doing it.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: this saga reminds me of some trailer park boys shit.
mircea_popescu: decimation i mean, if the entire objection to the mores of the black ghetto is that men don't live with the women they impregnate, and then you go demolish the one place for 500 miles where they actually do...
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes smokes now.
thestringpuller snaps fingers
decimation: the problem is that in democracy, it's really easy to kill off projects, so nothing is built
nubbins`: "Professional carpenters never, ever, EVER smoke in the shop. It's an incredible fire hazard as well as a personal danger since stimulants can increase the risk of slippage on a power tool. My father was an avid chain smoker and would never allow tobacco in his work area."
mircea_popescu: decimation sure, but on the other hand the job of politics is to avoid placing the table on the toes.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: smokes, let's go.
decimation: mircea_popescu: although in this particular case, the neighborhoods were saved and they ended up full of broken families anyway
mircea_popescu: well yes. politics doesn't work, we know that going in.
decimation: this robert moses guy singlehandedly paved over many minority communities all around the northeast
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/663d73bfaf012e37a252ea40446c14ff/tumblr_ngp5fkkC3O1tghbqho1_500.gif << why boobjobs exist
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbubIR )
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: those definitely look real.
mircea_popescu: yeah. real bad.
thestringpuller: i would hate to fast forward 20 years tho
thestringpuller: swing low sweet chariot
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mircea_popescu: nubbins`: i suspect smoothie from the forums is kinda stupid << generally known as such. his behaviour throughout was, to quote hanbot "nothing short of bizarre"
mircea_popescu: hm.... i never knew an "artisan" that works wood by the truckload ? this is akin to someone claiming to be dali explaining how he gets a truckload of paint a week...'
thestringpuller: !b 1 ✂︎
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mircea_popescu: assbot: Tinder Makes Its First Match in Antarctica -- The Cut << speaking oif which : the brave mthreat amongst us is going on a south pole expedition like next week
mircea_popescu: and he's going to try an' broadcast a btc txn from down there.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: ben_vulpes: that's precisely the current Monero architecture << heh. apparently sanity is not a luxury product.
mircea_popescu: coderwill: I was following a conversation on GitHub for Bitcoin.org, and found it interesting that Circle has explicitly requested to be removed from the site because it targets a different demographic from what they are searching for. << yeah., circle is looking for suckers / idiots / people who refuse to think.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 249.02, Best ask: 249.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 249.23, 24 hour volume: 23858.11300772, 24 hour low: 241.33, 24 hour high: 255.0, 24 hour vwap: 248.526571821
mircea_popescu: decimation: I didn't realize that the Crimea was filled with Tartars << golden horde sez nothing to you ?
mircea_popescu: davout: seems to me that folks from /r/buttcoin are an order of magnitude less retarded than those in /r/bitcoin << this is true.
mircea_popescu: one group is motivated by greed, which brings all the idiots out of the woodwork. the other group is motivated by broken ideology, which HAS a barrier to entry, because you can't adhere to an ideology and act on that basis if you're arbitrarily stupid.
mircea_popescu: it's true that you can't be smarter than Y, but you also can't be stupider than Y, and so the average will always be over Y which is not an average /r/bitcoin looks likely to reach.
mircea_popescu: but this because of what /r/ is, not because of what bitcoin is.
decimation: yeah I knew tartars/turkic peoples were scattered around the middle and eastern parts of asiatic ru, but I didn't realize they had taken up around Sevastopol
mircea_popescu: there was a historically important tatar state there,
mircea_popescu: at times more important than the muscovy duchy etc.
thestringpuller: what happens when all these VC fueled comapnies fail? Do we just go in an plunder them and shit?
mircea_popescu: this is what one means when he says "lithuanian situation is complicated".
thestringpuller: ;;ud lituation
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lituation | You go to the bodega and a chicken cutlet is half off and they give you a free bag of chips and an Arizona because they know you. That's a lituation.
mircea_popescu: you could in fact pretend like wait, "give russia back to the tatars"
decimation: putin's landgrab of crimea has a great deal of historical and cultural importance, of which the west is almost completely ignorant
decimation: http://theden.tv/2015/01/24/jesuisusefulidiot-western-leaders-exploit-the-paris-attacks/ "What was the #JeSuisCharlie demonstration about if not about free speech then? The shortest answer would be: emopolitik. As Colin Liddell has defined it, emopolitik is: “the achievement of political goals and the destabilization of rival political systems through the selective mobilization and projection of decontextualized human emotions and
assbot: #JeSuisUsefulIdiot : Western Leaders Exploit the Paris Attacks | Thedening the West ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZqWRz )
decimation: sympathies through social media.”"
mircea_popescu: well, "the west" in the sense of, "west of ozarks" are people who live in states bordered by straight lines.
mircea_popescu: obviously they imagine the world is you know, someone just walked out with a ruler cca 100 years ago
decimation: but 'that's how we do things here?'
mircea_popescu: decimation yep, that's pretty much what that was
decimation: "Concretely, this has meant giving massive publicity and a momentous political significance to the 17 people killed in the Charlie Hebdo and related attacks. This contrasts sharply with the treatment given to any number of other recent tragedies: the 1,400 girls raped by largely Pakistani gangs in Rotherham, England, the tens of thousands of victims of Islamist terrorism in Syria, and the over 4,000 people killed in the Donbass ☟︎
decimation: region of Ukraine have not been given the same significance by the Brahmin classes of the West."
mircea_popescu: more relevant to our interests : the one public prosecutor murdered by the argentine state in argentina.
mircea_popescu: that's what i care about : statal terrorism.
mircea_popescu: three guys that fire weapons by hand are not my concern. three million dickless schmucks sitting behind desks, those are the problem.
decimation: sitting behind a desk breeds a kind of passive-agressive posturing syndrome
mircea_popescu: which has to be beaten out of the afflicted, for everyone's benefit.
thestringpuller: ^- it's still a public service tho
thestringpuller: :D
davout: decimation: "emopolitik" <<< this i like
decimation: davout: yeah it's a good term. note that emopolitik is called "political strategy" in the democratic west
mircea_popescu: well because the intellect is rarely functioning and universaly expensive to fire up, whereas the emoprocessor is always on.
mircea_popescu: so of course any headcount-based system will try to talk to the latter.
mircea_popescu: this is why you don't want "universal suffrage" : it makes politics a matter of emo manipulation, like marketing.
decimation: "system 1" thinking vice "system 2" thinking
mircea_popescu: anyway, the solution is quite simple : do not give everyone voice. have a voicing procedure in place.
mircea_popescu: and the solution will prevail because the problems universal suffrage straddles its practitioners with are not only unresolvable, but actually heavier than the sum benefits.
mircea_popescu: and as such... it fails on its own.
decimation: mircea_popescu: one wonders why newspapers haven't caught onto this idea
mircea_popescu: the intellect is rarely functioning and universaly expensive to fire up
mircea_popescu: the only sort of situation where US systems approach survivability are very plain, obvious questions that everyone, even a turtle, would get right.
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mircea_popescu: which is whence the crisis-oriented politics of all US sytems comes from. the only time the US US made sense was during war with germany. "either yer fer or against!"
mircea_popescu: so in general, sanity only needs very minimal measures to defend itself from the otherwise doomed attempts to relevancy of the us-ists : keep issues from becoming simple matters.
mircea_popescu: not a hard task these days.
mircea_popescu: (US = universal suffrage, not united states)
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jurov: https://i.imgur.com/e1b0wCC.jpg i had no idea!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uNqA25 )
mats: so meta
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16865 @ 0.00049721 = 8.3854 BTC [+]
jurov: lxr is same incredibly warty crufty stuff as mailman.. but seems i got it working somehow
jurov: http://ml.btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/
jurov: oops http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ << my modest etnry to "most important article published on the Internet in 2015"
assbot: Ok, so what is Bitcoin disrupting ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8XsqO )
mircea_popescu: wd jumae
mircea_popescu: oops. wd jurov *
jurov: if it had go parser, i'd put btcd there too
mircea_popescu: there must be one
mircea_popescu: gsuneido/parse.go ?
mircea_popescu: oh nm, i think this goes the other way
jurov: well... lxr is in perl
jurov: maybe someday
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mircea_popescu: His mastery of the skill comes not from his ability to "cut around the lines" but in that he can from start to finish carve on some of the most difficult woods in the world to work with. Wood that 80% of your so called "master carvers" as they claim on youtube and the woodworking forums would not touch in a hundred years because it takes some serious talent to carve them.
mircea_popescu: im sorry... wut ?!
mircea_popescu: apparently the average chump believes talent to be a sort of spark-of-superman.
mircea_popescu: maybe woodcollector should carve a block of boron carbide next, as a super-show of his super-talents.
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mircea_popescu: !up beautyon
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mircea_popescu: http://tineye.com/search/60e43776e135af28e87b8d20f5facf024eb0b6c0/
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mircea_popescu: very useful ;/
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to know what happens to "exciting revolutionary start-ups" once the burn rate burns through... tin eye is a fine example.
mircea_popescu: can't fucking find well known sets that are all over the interwebs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00049087 = 10.2837 BTC [-]
Naphex: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762075 lmao, mlm + ponzi scam kicking it up.
assbot: [ANN] BitClub Network - Passive Bitcoin Mining Opportunity NOW LIVE! ... ( http://bit.ly/15y06FE )
mircea_popescu: "This sounds like a legit deal to me because the bitcoin mining can keep it going."
mircea_popescu: forum in a sentence.
Naphex: apparently a lot of romanians & italians are biting on it
Naphex: they get hooked irl ;o
mircea_popescu: gotta lose their bitcoins somehow.
mircea_popescu: !up BombaUcigasa_
mircea_popescu: !up CoraCrisT
BombaUcigasa_: salut MP
CoraCrisT: hey mircea_popescu . thanks!
mircea_popescu: np np
BombaUcigasa_: nu sunt auth ca e web
BombaUcigasa_: am intrat sa vad discutia cu link-ul lui Naphex
mircea_popescu: tis an english chan you know
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00048649 = 4.5244 BTC [-]
BombaUcigasa_: much regret, very forgetful, many mistake
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what discussion, flavour of the week tardstalk scam
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, anyone else who is interested in node on 'pogo' - buy yourself the box (pogo model 4.) i intend to post a recipe soon.
mircea_popescu: whole shebang ? pretty cool.
BombaUcigasa_: onecoin/btcclub convoluted "mining"/MLM schemes
CoraCrisT: and don`t forget "the marketing plan" . they have all figured out it seems
CoraCrisT: just waiting for the horde to join
mircea_popescu: eh, read up on the ognasty thing , or the diablo whatever that was for the classics of the genre
mircea_popescu: i suppose now that garza packed it, buncha noobs will be trying for the "first best largest" bitcoin scam thing.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/40d5ac3fd9993ba9c6cc78f0b84b081c/tumblr_ndv41usdYt1tf8ygvo1_1280.jpg << dacia ftw.
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CoraCrisT: and many more will fallow..
CoraCrisT: i love the high heels... they go great with the rustic roads back home
CoraCrisT: :X
BombaUcigasa_: dacia?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00050656 = 3.9258 BTC [+]
BombaUcigasa_: nu vad http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/, nu ma prind, e o problema cu site-ul, nu apare postul ...
assbot: Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/15y4g06 )
BombaUcigasa_: it works now
mats: http://n0where.net/wpa2-halfhandshake-crack a new attack, i believe
assbot: WPA2 HalfHandshake Crack ... ( http://bit.ly/15y51X6 )
asciilifeform: mats: dictionary attack, snore.
mats: yeah. there are also easier attacks if you mean to go the rogue AP route.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1263 @ 0.00098375 = 1.2425 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps we have your new pc here. << very interesting
thestringpuller: ^- your ip is showing
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 254.41, Best ask: 254.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 254.4, 24 hour volume: 28837.40598966, 24 hour low: 241.33, 24 hour high: 257.0, 24 hour vwap: 249.600325346