toffoo: mircea_popescu i recently finished a book called 'Flawless' about another belgian diamond heist .. which i think they got away with
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.4 = 5.6 BTC [-]
toffoo: when you first posted that i thought it might be the same
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-]
toffoo: but no, the book was about an older one where they robbed the antwerp diamond center
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.41 = 4.23 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.401 = 5.604 BTC [-]
inhies: the antwerp heist was awesome
inhies: too bad homie didnt take out the trash correctly
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.401 = 2.802 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.014 = 0.042 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.401 BTC [-]
inhies: damn you bitcoin network
inhies: i gave you a whole 0.0001 for it!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.380001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3605 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3605 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3601 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.014 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.36 = 13.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.365 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.360001 BTC [-]
dub: inhies: needs >=0.001 iirc
dub: dice spam has 0.001 anyway
inhies: hrm, maybe my dumbass thought there was an extra zero in there
inhies: been using 0.0001 for awhile now
KRS1: market price gonna drop i think
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.400949 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 125 @ 0.014 = 1.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01398 = 0.0839 BTC [-]
dub: !ticket bt asicminer-pt
dub: !ticker bt asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 1.24 / 1.34552 / 1.489 (738 shares, 993 BTC), 7D: 1.12 / 1.28986 / 1.489 (1880 shares, 2424.9 BTC), 30D: 0.6269 / 1.11074 / 1.75 (7503 shares, 8333.9 BTC)
pgp: i agree - price is rolling over - we'll retest 100 i think
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 112.04981, Best ask: 112.05525, Bid-ask spread: 0.00544, Last trade: 112.04980, 24 hour volume: 62523.10961762, 24 hour low: 109.50000, 24 hour high: 116.77700, 24 hour vwap: 113.32966
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.388 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.014 = 0.28 BTC [+]
pgp: I tend to agree that 100 will likely hold, but chart say to me "retest"
mircea_popescu: well, if it goes to 80 i stand to make what, 10k or so ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.014 = 0.056 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 96 @ 0.0141 = 1.3536 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.014 = 0.042 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0141 = 0.0423 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071284 = 3.0802 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13229 @ 0.00071311 = 9.4337 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0141 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 97 @ 0.0141 = 1.3677 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.014 = 0.028 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00071309 = 1.8184 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01405 = 0.7025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 97 @ 0.0141 = 1.3677 BTC [+]
dub: how does it affect dice?
mircea_popescu: not enough full nodes running, and there's no relay tx fee so there's no way to limit uneconomic mempool use
dub: I thought it just discouraged people from sending amounts that are too small to be relayed anyway
dub: ie, protects noobs from long txn delays
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.0142 = 0.284 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: May 05 22:22:16 <mircea_popescu>im not sure why they're not just letting the tx fee decide
mircea_popescu: May 05 22:22:42 <mircea_popescu>ah, actually, there is a reason
mircea_popescu: May 05 22:22:49 <mircea_popescu>we are choked by nonadoption/node death
mircea_popescu: May 05 22:23:07 <mircea_popescu>consequently there's no way to outcompete dust txs, cause you don't pay a fee to be relayed
mircea_popescu: May 05 22:23:44 <mircea_popescu>tbh the no-relay-fee is probably the grossest fundamental oversight in the design of bitcoin
pgp: i agree with mp - no fee for relay is a fundemental problem with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: fundamental simply means that it was there at the time of its birth
pgp: well, I suppose it could be reticified, but not easily...
pgp: but that requires a transaction to specify me as an output - what we need is a generalized method of paying a node operator who identity is not known at the time the transaction is submitted...
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine bitcoin banks would work any other way once we're mature.
dub: so secure like SCADA? ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the russians were reusing linux for that purpose
dub: I don't see what you are solving
dub: yeah but why is a PGA more trustable
pgp: noted... have you been reading about all sorts of "counterfeit" chips coming out of china with built in backdoors. Just because its hardware, doesn't mean it can be blindly trusted...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.4 = 4.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4 = 2.8 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: perhaps run into trouble as the blockchain goes over 1tb
pgp: so FPGA + checksum = really secure?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.4 = 7 BTC [+]
inhies: block 235234 is older than block 235233
pgp: asciilifeform: i like the way you think...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4149 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.415 = 14.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.42 = 14.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.45 = 7.25 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: [09:23:18] <asciilifeform> preferably RAID-5 with drives from different manufacturers
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.479 = 10.353 BTC [+]
dub: I don't see why this is better than some kind of signed software
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.479 = 11.832 BTC [+]
pgp: any "weapons design" resources links that yo care to share?
dub: with a rolling key protocol oslt
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.45 = 14.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.48 = 14.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.48889 BTC [+]
dub: you added ethernet to you pga though
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 58 @ 1.489 = 86.362 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.45 = 14.5 BTC [-]
dub: I can break whatever you are trying to achieve on the wire
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.489 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.45 = 14.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.488999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49 BTC [+]
pgp: I have several as well
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.49 = 8.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.46 = 14.6 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i'm more like a prospective producer than a prospective buyer.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.491005 = 5.964 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 124 @ 0.014 = 1.736 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.4978 = 14.978 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.013875 = 0.1388 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 1.48 = 29.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.499 = 14.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 1.499 = 29.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 35 @ 1.49999 = 52.4997 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.49 = 14.9 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: who said asicminer might be the next pirate
dub: I said pirate level event
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.49 = 4.47 BTC [-]
dub: as in, lots of people lose the farm
pgp: i wonder what that event enum looks like...
Diablo-D3: so, Im buying people's dmc shares out with asicminer shares
ThickAsThieves: pretty much would require death/arrest of friedcat, gov intervention, or major fires
dub: no, Diablo-D3 should buy my DMC share
dub: and I'm not selling now :)
Diablo-D3: pgp: typedef struct { ILLEGAL, PIRATE, BITCOINICA, FORUM_IS_DOWN, PRICE_IS_DOWN, NOTHING = -1 } fuck_t;
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 13 @ 0.4665 = 6.0645 BTC [+]
dub: Diablo-D3: try to keep up bro, I have 1
Diablo-D3: dub: oh, buy 10 more and I'll trade you 1 AM share
dub: I paid 1 satoshi for it
dub: can I get 9 more at that price?
dub: I think my DMC share is worth more than any other
dub: its a collectors item
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.013875 = 0.111 BTC [-]
truff1es: room is on hyper geek mode today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4449 BTC [-]
dub: true, we should move chats to #bitcoin-trollbox
dub: -trollbox is superior
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 31 @ 0.0141 = 0.4371 BTC [+]
truff1es: i thought there would be news on the mjr blog on the trades..
mircea_popescu: ya. 10k am trades worth 10btc. 10 mpex trades worth 10k btc.
pgp: well, I'm feeling more chatty with each additional scotch...
pgp: nice thing about BL is that I can get it most any place in the worldd
dub: nothing wrong with blends
pgp: I like to think of myself as "black label soluable"...
dub: I drink a lot of jameson, tall glass with lots of water and ice a a beer replacement
dub: works with anything not good enough to drink neat
dub: sadly too much beer kills me
pgp: gotta go with hard liquor
dub: and I need to be careful not to drink malts at the same pace as beer
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 55 @ 0.013899 = 0.7644 BTC [+]
pgp: been down that rabbit hole before...
pgp: how old are you guys?
pgp: I'll be 41 this month
dub: im closer to 40 than 30
truff1es: lots of mid life crisis coming your way
pgp: given my experience with bitcoin to date, I'm gonna make the assumption that I'm the oldest guy on this channel..
dub: truff1es: I srsly considered buying a sports coupe at $270
truff1es: was going to ask if any1 had a sports car
dub: I have a sports car, its got 4 doors
dub: you need a coupe to signal a proper mid life crisis
truff1es: for shame, go get a proper old person car
dub: I have a boy racer car :)
dub: lowered, loud exhaust the works
pgp: I have landrover LR4 with two kiddie seats in back...
pgp: BTW... this is the BEST channel on IRC...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0007078 = 3.0584 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4479 @ 0.00070758 = 3.1693 BTC [-]
dub: thats because you aren't in -trollbox
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.013899 = 0.0834 BTC [+]
dub: its important that you remember
pgp: -trollbox is good concept... if only it could get critical mass...
truff1es: -otc brings me regular drama so thats my favorite in bitcoinland
benkay: what is the concept behind trollbox?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.014 = 0.084 BTC [-]
benkay: but why would the trolls limit themselves to that?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.45 = 14.5 BTC [-]
pgp: speaking of which, where is our resident troll tiberiuiv?
KRS1: does anyone follow the RSI
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.013899 = 0.0278 BTC [+]
KRS1: pgp: what do you think about it atm
pgp: all indicators are pointing to at least a short term rollover...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.485 BTC [+]
pgp: 100 looks likes good support, though..
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 110.01501, Best ask: 110.36000, Bid-ask spread: 0.34499, Last trade: 110.36000, 24 hour volume: 62591.71220051, 24 hour low: 108.80000, 24 hour high: 116.77700, 24 hour vwap: 113.09620
KRS1: im seeing it horizontal right now +0 / -0 yet market price looks good
ThickAsThieves: KRS1, the only thing I'm looking at with BTC price right now is the lower curve for the past 8 mos or so
pgp: weekly upward momentum cycle has stalled - end of week rollover is coming - MARK MY WORDS...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.013899 = 0.1807 BTC [+]
pgp: it's like sex with random girl in bar bathroom...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072021 = 3.112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12547 @ 0.00072038 = 9.0386 BTC [+]
pgp: err... but not really...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30018 @ 0.00072327 = 21.7111 BTC [+]
pgp: yeah - been following this site - decent implementation..
kakobrekla: enought to convince me not to deposit any cash
benkay: that means computational fluid dynamics to me.
benkay: cannot fund with bitcoin
pgp: btw - cfd is a non-deliverable cash-settled contract...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.013899 = 0.3336 BTC [+]
pgp: kako: of course you do
kakobrekla: im not talking about bitcoin related stuff
KRS1: thats a pretty good story..who wants to hear that
KRS1: dont think it gets any worse than that..maybe no liquidity?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.01398 = 0.0559 BTC [+]
KRS1: or a real downhome foreign rip off
pgp: fuck - I'm out of ice...
truff1es: call up ... and get some more?
pgp: "neat" when circumstances demand...
KRS1: im seeing funky shit on btc-e order books..big BTC orders $10K, $70K...disappear
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.44480001 BTC [-]
pgp: nice video - if only the laws of thermodynamics worked that way...
KRS1: heh yeh as if the changes in lighting wasnt enough ..thought it was amusing though.
KRS1: seems like its time to buy? I might be wrong though.
KRS1: although technically btc is still overbought right
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
KRS1: maybe it is time to buy indeed
louong: I'd wait until gox reopens the bounce down
pgp: my 4 year old could run a better exchange than these jokers...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.48449 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.484499 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: pgp i dont know much about them, what can you tell
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.4845 = 5.938 BTC [+]
KRS1: hehe you are prob right..my friend was telling me about some of their code fuckups..like they paid the cheapest developer they could get and once it was working fired him and moved on to the next sprint without testing and fixing shit ..like input validation..programming 101
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.4845 = 5.938 BTC [+]
KRS1: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 35 minutes and 24 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> (hey ThickAsThieves am i doing it rite ?)
pgp: kako: nothing new - all BS
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 1.4845 = 34.1435 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes. some people who believe that if you call yourself mercedes you're made in germany.
mircea_popescu: and buying google ads makes one successful (hey, it worked for bfl rite)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.484499 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i have a few dozen free $100 adwords credits somewhere
pgp: bfl... when will bfl be relagated to footnote status...
pgp: wish there was a was to definitively specify that for a bitbet proposition
ThickAsThieves: and is selling cheaper better devices than BFL all day long
KRS1: just heard gox is at $67?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.0147 = 0.3969 BTC [+]
KRS1: how in the hell can i place an order or two lol
pgp: fuckin' RIDICULOUS...
KRS1: Idk why but that house seems like what I'd expect from there.
KRS1: Rather castle like.. Do you guys mostly live in castles?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.484499 = 2.969 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.4845 = 4.4535 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 109.30000, Best ask: 109.49999, Bid-ask spread: 0.19999, Last trade: 109.49999, 24 hour volume: 60966.84086930, 24 hour low: 108.80000, 24 hour high: 116.77700, 24 hour vwap: 112.99253
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.485 = 5.94 BTC [+]
pgp: well, gox is down hard.. so.. who know what reality is...
pgp: though enjoying music video, KSR1...
pgp: who is going to bitcoin conference?
KRS1: i liked it..happy to share.
KRS1: hmmm..wonder if those who are quiet right now are on the ddos tip.
pgp: hunded million dolla!
KRS1: lol not that kind of pin LMAO
KRS1: hunded million dolla!
KRS1: I have to hook that up one day..that is pimp.
KRS1: Woke up in a Bugatti.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 120 @ 0.0013 = 0.156 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199 BTC [-]
KRS1: gox backend is down imo
KRS1: database attack or breakdown
louong: 1.199 ASICMINER trade was an option exercise
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [-]
pgp: no matter how you try to define goxIncompetence, you will always encounter stack overflow
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0149 = 0.0298 BTC [+]
pgp: stack fucking overflow....
dub: pgp: did your client grok my cosby?
dub: ThickAsThieves: #bitcoin-trollbox
Bugpowder: I picked the wrong evening to buy back in
[\]: 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable
ThickAsThieves: got maybe $10k cash left just in case it crashes majorly
[\]: ThickAsThieves, can I borrow $10k?
[\]: ThickAsThieves: what if AM goes rogue?
KRS1: this might crash when it comes back up?
topace_: sold $10k of AM shares on havelock today alone :p
KRS1: thought it would shoot
topace_: you already have more on havelock than you were originally planning i see :)
ThickAsThieves: i put every BTC i got from selling shares on all the PTs
topace_: well ill keep buying blades so that should help the share value :p
[\]: is bfl shipping yet?
topace_: accoridng to their email they sent last week yea.
parseval: Yeah, 35 units, half to media isn't really 'shipping', it's demoing
[\]: I'm glad I didn't put everything I had with them back in the day
[\]: Multiple distinct Location headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response splitting attacks.
[\]: Error code: ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_LOCATION
parseval: I'm still holding out for my 30GH miner
parseval: I probably should have gone for the refund, but I'll stick with it now
[\]: what are you holding parseval?
KRS1: ill buy your order..how much you want
[\]: its a permanent redirect
[\]: they're using cloudflare
[\]: but since much of the page is dynamic
[\]: cloudflare does nothing for them
Bugpowder: Nobody will make their money back on the BFL shit
parseval: I'm just holding a preorder for the one unit, and running a couple of video cards atm, nothing major
KRS1: I'll be able to sell mine in 5 years for twice as much as collectible nostalgia technology..It'll sit on a shelf right between a ColecoVision and an Atari 2600
benkay: not the dumbest thing ever.
benkay: not an investment strategy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0007181 = 3.1029 BTC [-]
benkay: bitcoin beanie babies...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6292 @ 0.00071835 = 4.5199 BTC [+]
parseval: A pet rock engraved with a private key
Bugpowder: you will be able to buy 20 of them with the current value in bitcoin.
KRS1: theres a $60K order on btc-e at $105.99
ThickAsThieves: Asicminer USB miners will probly be worth more than a BFL minirig in 5 years
KRS1: but the BFL miner has the cool butterfly logo
KRS1: why is anything fpga painfully expensive and low hash output
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.014 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.479999 = 2.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.48 = 4.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.014 = 0.28 BTC [-]
dub: how is that auction for the shithole in germany going?
dub: ThickAsThieves: dat asbestos
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.014 = 0.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 23 @ 0.014 = 0.322 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 77 @ 0.0141 = 1.0857 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 75 @ 0.0141 = 1.0575 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.479799 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.479799 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 17 @ 0.0141 = 0.2397 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.0142 = 0.1136 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.479799 = 2.9596 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.479799 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.479799 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0142 = 1.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.479799 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.18501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.479799 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 122 @ 0.0142 = 1.7324 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.01425 = 2.1375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0143 = 1.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 128 @ 0.0145 = 1.856 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1771 @ 0.0007181 = 1.2718 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3786 @ 0.00071835 = 2.7197 BTC [+]
Namworld: I found some other good investments, luckily
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8572 @ 0.00071835 = 6.1577 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.18501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.003 = 0.03 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.002945 = 0.0589 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1012 @ 0.00294 = 2.9753 BTC [-]
bgupta: Namworld: What at 0.41?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2965 = 1.4825 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.29 = 4.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.29 = 2.9 BTC [-]
bgupta: Namworld you should have told me, it's going for a lot more.. I would have paid more.
KRS1: that is badass, thickasthieves
KRS1: what made you have faith back then
louong: 5x ROI since IPO is pretty darned good
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.45 = 14.5 BTC [-]
KRS1: wow this was like a 0-day exploit
KRS1: i mostly sold out to make up my $3K investment on my rigs
KRS1: baller is putting it lightly..thats gangster
KRS1: always a bigger fish huh
KRS1: f'n taxes are prolly your biggest headache these days huh
KRS1: and now you are the man for doing it all right like that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.0142 = 0.426 BTC [-]
KRS1: if its an s-corp u can prolly realize those gains and keep it in the coffers without having to pay anything just yet
KRS1: well the thing is, an incorporated business is its own legal entity and any money it makes doesnt get taxed until its withdrawn as salary or whatever..you can figure out how to spend it tax free from there..max the ira's and what not..make tax free "investments" into the "company" that get sspent on this and that
Bugpowder: I have a pro CPA looking at the tax situation
KRS1: the government likes green investments atm
KRS1: yeh lawyers are real good at that shit..meh I went to business school I only know the "proper" way to do things.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3034 BTC [+]
KRS1: yeh they can pull off some cool shit so you dont pay as much
Bugpowder: I would have had to set shit up ahead of time in offshore shell corps to avoid taxes, instead of my personal gox account
KRS1: just call a bank in Bermuda =D
KRS1: ..and there are starving children in Africa.
Bugpowder: would love to see a bounce from here.
KRS1: JUST LOOK AT SALLY STRUTHERS GODDAMNIT!
KRS1: meh I'm just trying to see how many drugs I can get into my system tonight before I crash
Bugpowder: bought back in based on the high bid/ask ratio relative to current price
KRS1: think I'm gonna top it all off with some benedryl or nyquil.
KRS1: but im still racing from earlier
KRS1: thanks for that- i noticed you are pretty accurate
KRS1: I value your opinions
KRS1: wtf how did u place an order when it went that low
KRS1: i was looking at that nginx exploit..some zero-day shit there.
KRS1: do professionals consider nginx suitable for production yet? Its been a while since I followed that project. I mostly work with Apache.
Bugpowder: I assume you have all seen this now
KRS1: wow it seems that exploit could lead to rootshell
KRS1: wonder if gox got rooted
KRS1: bugpowder: YES thats hilarious.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.42 = 14.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: the production quality on the tunes are getting better
KRS1: We were all groovin to that in the office today..brothers and white dudes doin some harlem shuffle to that
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.41 = 7.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.41 = 2.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.41 = 4.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.401 = 7.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.4 = 14 BTC [-]
KRS1: Hide your kids, hide your wife.
benkay: krs1 we use nginx in production
KRS1: Is that a generally accepted practice now? Last I remember it wasn't recommended just yet.
benkay: well, we use it for not terribly sensitive stuff
KRS1: in many ways i understand it is superior to apache
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-]
corpsan: it's superior to apache in most ways
KRS1: nvermind im curious now im gonna go learn it
KRS1: I might throw it in dev for my company..get it in the food chain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10508 @ 0.00072183 = 7.585 BTC [+]
KRS1: yeh? like apache has prefork.c for that
benkay: if you had stones like riker you'd mount everything too
KRS1: oh dear bugpowder I didn't know about that one..I think we're pretty vulnerable by now
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.392001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.392 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.380005 BTC [-]
corpsan: apache has a whole OS thread per connection, which is significant memory overhead, and each thread does a context-switches whenever it reads or writes, which is significant CPU overhead
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0145 BTC [+]
corpsan: nginx has one thread—each connection is a <200byte struct, and the reads/writes are all multiplexed
corpsan: it can read/write from/to all open connections in a single context switch
corpsan: it is vastly more efficient than apache
KRS1: heh this was a fancy exploit..well done
KRS1: ok so it seems to share base mem
KRS1: seems pretty efficent
KRS1: this is a handy memory dump util they provided
corpsan: the downside is you are 99% likely to be writing your application in a dipshit programming language, depending on a dipshit web framework, and using a dipshit threading model. so you're not probably to see much benefit other than fewer load balancers
benkay: sounds like dipshit client using nginx
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.360121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4585 @ 0.00072183 = 3.3096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071757 = 3.1006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3168 @ 0.00071756 = 2.2732 BTC [-]
KRS1: ours isnt bad..apache, php, cms is expression engine and the backend is written in java..our db is probably our weakest point.
corpsan: you won't see any benefit switching to apache with that dipshit stack
KRS1: i configured all the web servers to fork, not using multi threading..instead using vmware to give high cpu availability
corpsan: but yeah your DB probably is your bottle neck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01439 = 0.0576 BTC [-]
KRS1: nah the web servers are hardly taxed at all
KRS1: im not the one who came up with it, i can barely influence our technical architecture..too many egos and I dont play that f'n game..im the one they come running to when shit doesnt work.
KRS1: yeh it sucks, but nothing new...been doing this 13+ years
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01410001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 34 @ 0.0141 = 0.4794 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.014 = 7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01439999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 199 @ 0.0144 = 2.8656 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.409999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01415 = 0.0425 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.41 = 14.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.42 = 7.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.01415 = 0.467 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.014333 = 0.043 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01415 = 0.1981 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.01 = 4.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072308 = 3.1244 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8751 @ 0.00072327 = 6.3293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00073025 = 6.5723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16878 @ 0.0007305 = 12.3294 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.0142 = 0.1988 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.414502 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.414501 = 2.0725 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.414499 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00997 = 0.997 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 20 @ 0.000618 = 0.0124 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.0142 = 0.5396 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 33 @ 0.002815 = 0.0929 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0142 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.014332 = 1.4332 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.0142 = 0.6674 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01435 = 0.7175 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0144 = 0.288 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.445999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0144 = 0.0576 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.446 = 2.892 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.0144 = 0.4176 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 43 @ 1.446 = 62.178 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.448 = 7.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.448 = 7.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.448 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009962 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 8 @ 0.00996 = 0.0797 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.0144 = 0.6768 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0145 = 0.1305 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.0145 = 0.087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2132 @ 0.00071756 = 1.5298 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 110 @ 0.0142 = 1.562 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 210 @ 0.014 = 2.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 250 @ 0.0013 = 0.325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6368 @ 0.00071449 = 4.5499 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 225 @ 0.01429999 = 3.2175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 68 @ 0.0143 = 0.9724 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4035 = 0.807 BTC [-]
dub: In March 1992 Chinese authorities found that Shenzhen reflective materials institute had copied 650,000 Microsoft Corporation holograms. The institute was found to be guilty of trademark infringement against Microsoft, but was fined a mere US $252. Losses to Microsoft as a result of the infringement are estimated at US $30 million.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5769 @ 0.0007231 = 4.1716 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01429999 = 0.715 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 34 @ 0.01429999 = 0.4862 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.0145 = 0.5075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0007118 = 3.0757 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8279 @ 0.00071165 = 5.8918 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.01429999 = 0.5863 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 132 @ 0.0143 = 1.8876 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 97 @ 0.014333 = 1.3903 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.014395 = 1.4395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0144 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01444 = 2.888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 75 @ 0.01449999 = 1.0875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 121 @ 0.0145 = 1.7545 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01475 = 0.0738 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0146 = 0.0292 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 425 @ 0.0145 = 6.1625 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 67 @ 0.01475 = 0.9883 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 33 @ 0.01474 = 0.4864 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 95 @ 0.01475 = 1.4013 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 122 @ 0.0148 = 1.8056 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.444 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.444 = 4.332 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.445 = 7.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.448 = 2.896 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.0148 = 0.1036 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 720 @ 0.0007126 = 0.5131 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 160 @ 0.003344 = 0.535 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.0148 = 0.444 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 200 @ 0.00172499 = 0.345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00071248 = 3.4199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071178 = 3.0756 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2379 @ 0.00071165 = 1.693 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.0146 = 0.3504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 577 @ 0.0007126 = 0.4112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3779 @ 0.00073025 = 2.7596 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.0148 = 0.296 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0148 = 0.74 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.0148 = 0.296 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0148 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.448 = 11.584 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.46 = 14.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.463 = 4.389 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.10599 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01499 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 249 @ 0.015 = 3.735 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.015 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.0155 = 1.085 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.455 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0149 = 0.745 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01381 = 0.0967 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.013989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.3098 = 4.3372 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3099 = 0.6198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.31 = 3.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 1.46 = 7.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.01501 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.015 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.014 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.013 = 0.026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00073025 = 0.5112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00073049 = 3.1564 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11244 @ 0.0007309 = 8.2182 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00073301 = 1.9425 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17857 @ 0.0007332 = 13.0928 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.013989 = 0.028 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0146 = 0.0584 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 345 @ 0.01440001 = 4.968 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 80 @ 0.0144 = 1.152 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0149 = 0.745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.463 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 55 @ 0.0148 = 0.814 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.0146 = 0.4234 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00073497 = 3.1758 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5529 @ 0.00073531 = 4.0655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5378 @ 0.00073325 = 3.9434 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: so have i missed anything the last few days?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 32 @ 0.0013 = 0.0416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072999 = 3.1543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00072998 = 2.2629 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00071989 = 2.6636 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9894 @ 0.00071165 = 7.0411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2785 @ 0.00070989 = 1.977 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0149 BTC [+]
KRS1: chaang-noi: you missed a good gox outage last night
KRS1: I think someone said it was the zero-day nginx exploit
KRS1: price didnt budge much at all..seems to be a very healthy market maybe?
KRS1: rsi been looking good
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00103 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.00102 = 0.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 244 @ 0.001002 = 0.2445 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 540 @ 0.001001 = 0.5405 BTC [-]
KRS1: where ya been still moving
KRS1: thats...one of those things that probably shouldnt go together..reminds me of nights gambling and drinking the complimentary spirits..you make dumb moves after a while.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00073088 = 3.1581 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11389 @ 0.00073096 = 8.3249 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0142 = 1.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0149 = 0.0447 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.4619 = 7.3095 BTC [+]
KRS1: oh..nice. trading drunk online..buy..sell..can get you into hot water quick.
KRS1: not drunk but even a few beers can make you choose foolishly
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.462 = 2.924 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.463 = 8.778 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.464 = 11.712 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 1.465 = 27.835 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41131 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4112 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: not sure why anyone would sell asic miner right now...
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.003165 = 0.0127 BTC [+]
KRS1: those figures ^^ is that what they're pulling in and will be divided up into dividends
Chaang-Noi: this stock should be worth 2.5 to 3 btc
Chaang-Noi: its undervalued cuz some of the first investers ahve a shit load of it and want to take sopme profits
Chaang-Noi: many people have 10,000 shares of this
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 7 @ 0.0013 = 0.0091 BTC [+]
KRS1: so i would probably be better off buying this otc
KRS1: im looking at btc-tc right now, i have been thinking about this for a while..also checked out havelock
Chaang-Noi: buying directly might be best, who knows
KRS1: so right now 4k X ~ 1.2 btc or something
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01301 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.013 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: iv sold some, i had 5500 but then sold to about 3,500 or so now
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 300 @ 0.012607 = 3.7821 BTC [-]
KRS1: i see quite a few asicminer
KRS1: how do i know whats right for me
Chaang-Noi: plus i get weekly dividends that are fun
KRS1: otc might be a better choice for me
Chaang-Noi: i sold the other shares for coke and whores money, we all need that
Chaang-Noi: ineedausername is selling otc on the forum now
KRS1: whats a low dividend payment for 1 share and whats a good one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071236 = 3.0781 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11879 @ 0.00071203 = 8.4582 BTC [-]
KRS1: LOL yes we all need that hahaha just got into it the other day with some broad who ripped me off for $60 bucks..she gave a hell of a lapdance 20 minutes earlier though
KRS1: whats a good dividend to recieve for one share of am for example
KRS1: not wanting to resell, but for the dividends mainly
Chaang-Noi: well they have 20 th now but have ordered 250 more and should have 1000 th by the end of the year
KRS1: but even the price on am shares will go up
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.455 BTC [+]
KRS1: avalon hardware mostly?
KRS1: pretty solid operation from what ive seen so far
saulimus: how do you guys deal with bitcoin volatility while holding btc assets? just don't care about it at all?
KRS1: you really cant think in terms of that
Chaang-Noi: bitcoin volatility? from our perspective its the rest of the world that is not stable
Chaang-Noi: we know how many btcs there are and will be, fiat? lol
davout: Chaang-Noi: couldn't have said it better
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1911 @ 0.00073096 = 1.3969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3713 @ 0.00073099 = 2.7142 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4026 @ 0.0007353 = 2.9603 BTC [+]
jurov: no, just popped out in a google ads and looks interesting
jurov: so they seem to be binary, each costs $100 and pays out $220 , am i right?
Chaang-Noi: well unless i know who runs it im going to assume its a scam site
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1821 @ 0.00071203 = 1.2966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 415 @ 0.00070989 = 0.2946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070979 = 3.067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4293 @ 0.00070978 = 3.0471 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: mp you know about this? EX] [S.MPOE] 1821 @ 0.00071203 = 1.2966 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 415 @ 0.00070989 = 0.2946 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070979 = 3.067 BTC [-]
jurov: *shrugs* not planning to touch it anyway
Chaang-Noi: "Our main data source for pricing and expiry rates is Thomson Reuters."
gribble: Current Blocks: 235301 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 570 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10874674.6045 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.92337
KRS1: its a scam state, but also one that needs solutions..so could this be one
Chaang-Noi: John Cane: What do you mean by 4 btc community?
Chaang-Noi: akmar: btc means bitcoin its is the currancy code
Chaang-Noi: akmar: how long has this site been around?
Chaang-Noi: John Cane: Our platform is active since 2008.
Chaang-Noi: they say they ahve been here since 2008 hahaha
jurov: this is not a solution... just a betting that doesn't touch bitcoin actually
mircea_popescu: about ten days ago i was cleanning out my lawnmower when something inside pricked my finger
mircea_popescu: which made a fucking obnoxious wound kept me from typing properly for a coupla days
mircea_popescu: so now i just had it surgified, and apparently the doctor removed a very fine thorn bit from my finger.
jurov: so now you are Mircea Four-fingered.
mircea_popescu: at this point it either heals or i get magical flesh eating bacteria and die.
Chaang-Noi: hmm, i would ahve assumed you paid people to cut your grass
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi its not that much and i cant sit in the chair all day long.
davout: Chaang-Noi: why pay someone to do the fun things?
jurov: Chaang-Noi: mp prolly likes to inhale that fresh grass smell
error4733: can you make withdraws with 4 fingers ?
Chaang-Noi: yard work, dont enjoy it so much, i just take walks with my dogas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 250 @ 0.01495 = 3.7375 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sorry error4733 but your withdrawal is in another castle.
KRS1: first time I've seen binary options for btc
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi unless you're 85lbs coma survivor lawnmowing is no hard work eh ?
jurov: actually i'm the mowing expert in our family, too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0151 = 0.755 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01512 = 0.756 BTC [+]
KRS1: not much call for that eh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01512 = 0.756 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 55 @ 0.01524 = 0.8382 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: no it is not hard work, id rather do hard work than cut grass something i can pay the local combodian 3$ to do it (and he does a hell of a better job than i could do anyway)
mircea_popescu: (that, for the two irc trolls who don't know finance at all, was a joke, in relation to all the recent furror about nial making that stateemnt re keynes being gay)
Chaang-Noi: i dont mind doing work, but i dont like doing work where i dont need to think.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01524 = 0.762 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01525 = 1.525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0155 = 1.55 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi if you don't think you get your finger pricked.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01467 = 0.1027 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: error that is like 3 hours of work, and i over pay
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.014675 = 0.3962 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.0155 = 2.325 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i live near camobida, lots of works need work
error4733: 1$/h nice wage ! at least you can buy food to stay alive
Chaang-Noi: a teacher makes $200 a month starting out, a no skilled illigal cambodian gets fuck all
jurov: did you try offering few teaspoons of bitcoins?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01512 = 1.512 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.01512 = 7.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0151 = 0.755 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 250 @ 0.0155 = 3.875 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: if you guys had 100k usd in fiat and wanted to start a btc business what would you do?
mircea_popescu: people now sign emails to me with Hoping to not get in your "dumb persons" list, X
Chaang-Noi: i know a guy who wants to get into a btc and have a business, has 100k but i have no idea what to do with it
Chaang-Noi: only idea is to have an exchange but i dont know...
jurov: and in case you need deratisation, i also recommend you to hire the rat poison expert, what was his name...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.015552 = 1.5552 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi if he's located in where you are he could start a business making retreats for bitcoiners.
jurov: Chaang-Noi: just send him to supernode conference.
Chaang-Noi: i think he would just give me the 100k to do whatever
Chaang-Noi: yeah he wont go, iv told him for years to get the fuck out
mircea_popescu: you know this is so very much like pre-iron curtain europe
mircea_popescu: think, a 600 calorie average diet in the us for a year ?!
error4733: Chaang-Noi : how much to buy a land and built a nice guest house in thailand ? Not the most expensive place but not the worst neither
Chaang-Noi: id do tourist shit in myanmar, loas or cambodia, too much shit here
Chaang-Noi: i told him to just hold btc, buti thought id ask here if anyone had any ideas
Chaang-Noi: but i doubt he will, he wants to get into the almost virgin btc world
jurov: Chaang-Noi: just send him around here
jurov: let himself explain what he wants
jurov: he can use webchat in worst case
Chaang-Noi: i was wondering, lets say i was in antartica and i wanted to send some btc, how the fuck would that work?
Chaang-Noi: id ahve to buy a special phone or computer?
error4733: srsly, i made the same mistake, try to invest instead of bought btc ! i punch myself eveytime i saw my stock take the dust
Chaang-Noi: so it should be doable with out too much trougble if i find myself down there?
Chaang-Noi: error, does not seem like i could run a btc client on that phone
Chaang-Noi: okay so im sure i could get something to work, if i make it down there ill have to look into it more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.0001 = 4.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.014675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01545 = 1.545 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.015475 = 1.5475 BTC [+]
error4733: Chaan-Noi u dont run any client on phone. you connect the phone to your laptop and its like a modem
jurov: if the house is structurally sound, then it's worth 50btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.015475 = 0.9285 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: no way i could tell with out going there eh?
truff1es: looks like blood on the one of the tiled walls
mircea_popescu: a house in germany is worth 50 btc just on the premise it is allowed to stand.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.015475 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.015475 = 0.7738 BTC [+]
andreas: yeah...I followed this thread for a while, too...
truff1es: id buy it and demolish, that looks terrible
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 2.06 = 12.36 BTC [+]
andreas: I'm not so sure about the monument protection issue yet.
Chaang-Noi: i have no idea what houses are worth in germany
andreas: although the owner claims otherwise, I know...
andreas: atm, I think there will be restrictions if you renovate it...
Chaang-Noi: well, what if i just want to burn it to the ground?
andreas: so...you have to keep the facade, if you renovate it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.014675 = 0.0881 BTC [+]
andreas: you won't be allowed to use modern windows with plastic frames etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.015475 BTC [+]
truff1es: why should he give out the address of his gf's place..
andreas: I guess you'll have to replace all electricity lines, water installation etc.
jurov: there is not street view there.. but few interesting photos of other ruins
andreas: you won't even be allowed just to leave it rotting!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.015475 = 0.5881 BTC [+]
andreas: So the local authorities will force you to renovate it, I guess...
andreas: next problem...who wants to live there?
jurov: no, i thought i'll find it via street view, ichstedt is small
Chaang-Noi: any idea how much that woujld cost? i honestly have no idea
jurov: but only a few photos there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.015479 = 1.5479 BTC [+]
andreas: in most areas there are no stores or shops anymore.
Chaang-Noi: jurov think its a scam or just not enough photos?
andreas: so I guess you'll have to drive like 20 miles just to buy a slice of bread.
jurov: Chaang-Noi: how would i know i just report what i found on google maps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0155 = 1.55 BTC [+]
andreas: there's a very good chance, that there's no internet connection there.
Chaang-Noi: jurov no idea, just asking for your thoughts, iv not checked it out
truff1es: can u make a legit offer to buy, drive up to check out the property, and then reject it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.003001 = 1.8006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.00295 = 0.177 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0029001 = 2.9001 BTC [-]
jurov: actually it looks quite populous area.. and they promise 8gbit internet
Chaang-Noi: truffles if i do so in the next 3 days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0156 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8334 @ 0.0029 = 24.1686 BTC [-]
jurov: halle (quite big city) 71 km away , not bad
jurov: andreas, read the op
andreas: you can't get such a connection in the middle of berlin or munich as a private user...
truff1es: id want to know who my neighbors are
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 19 @ 0.0159 = 0.3021 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that was the fred wilson refernce. coinbase closed a 5mn deal a little back
mircea_popescu: not stellar, but hey. they needed the cash to stay in the picture.
davout: oh lol, i was like 5 minutes what?
jurov: yes the church is on panoramio
davout: paymium's funding is apparently
andreas: I can tell you, that better houses where sold at the hunsrück or in hessen for 15000-20000 euros.
andreas: with functioning water and electricity installation.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.455 BTC [+]
andreas: so you can move in within 4 weeks, or so.
jurov: brrrrr hunsrueck... friend ended there, has to pay 80 euro for half decent internet
andreas: not renovate it for 5 years...
jurov: total end of the world
Chaang-Noi: i think i will just pass on that house, really seems like more work than it is worth
andreas: what do you think, thüringen is?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.015475 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 845 @ 0.01547501 = 13.0764 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.015475 = 0.3095 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0158 = 1.58 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: andreas so does germany generally suck as a place to livei n ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.0158 = 2.37 BTC [+]
andreas: I think, this is better...
mircea_popescu: this is me when i go to conferences, press events etc.
andreas: mircea_popescu: it's hard to compare for me, since I've never lived anywhere else..
andreas: but I think, you cannot say, that living in country x sucks...
andreas: it depends where and how you live.
Chaang-Noi: andreas im shocked houses are so cheap in germany
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01585 = 3.17 BTC [+]
andreas: with enough money, you can have a decent live almost anywhere...
andreas: Chaang-Noi: you have to consider the demographic problems here...
Chaang-Noi: 35k euro is nothing for a house, or at least int he usa
mircea_popescu: then no, it does suck, and its not a question of money.
Chaang-Noi: 300k or os needed for a decent house in the usa
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.0159 = 0.6519 BTC [+]
andreas: not enough kids, germans are getting fewer and fewer...
andreas: and the young people go, where the work is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00073496 = 5.1815 BTC [+]
andreas: there are no companies in thüringen or hunsrück etc.
andreas: so you cannot make a living there in most cases.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 48 @ 0.01595 = 0.7656 BTC [+]
andreas: so they move into bigger towns, like cologne, munich etc.
andreas: the old people stay in their villages, but they don't need internet etc. often.
Chaang-Noi: hmm, i am interested in getting some place in europe as a base to travel around, but no idea where, i think it wont be spain however...
Chaang-Noi: what does a decent flat cost there? im not sure i even want a house
andreas: buying houses in cologne or munich is crazy expensive now...
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.400003 BTC [-]
andreas: even renting an appartment is a huge problem..
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.400002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i'm here specifically because it makes all of europe accessible.
mircea_popescu: you can fly anywhere within an hour or two, the airport is 20 minutes away (from where i live) etc
mircea_popescu: well... may be three hours to lisbon or moscow, but you get the idea.
Chaang-Noi: idealy id hook up with a local who could assit me in traveling and the like, i only know english
andreas: That's what it's looks like if a flat in hamburg is open for rent.
andreas: 100 people want to take a look.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0155 = 1.55 BTC [-]
andreas: because there are so few appartments available in the bigger towns here.
jurov: yea, that's how he ended on deep hunsrueck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.01595 = 0.1595 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: people expecting you to accomodate them rather than bending over backwards for your comfort.
Chaang-Noi: hmm, honestly german girls are not really that hot for the most part
andreas: nah,,,I wouldn't say that in general...
andreas: the weather is not extreme...
andreas: no storms, floods etc in general...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.46 = 2.92 BTC [-]
jurov: summers in germany suck... always cloudy
andreas: the whole infrastructure etc works...
andreas: no electricity problems, water supply problems etc.
jurov: yes carpathian basin is better clima-wise
andreas: I can walk in 5 mins to the next hospital.
mircea_popescu: andreas that is besides the point. who wants to live somewhere where "there are no apartments" ?
andreas: I said: in the middle of bigger towns, like munich,hamburg,berlin etc.
andreas: in my hometown, you can find an appartment with no problems...
mircea_popescu: a. then i misunderstood. obviously city centre is a limited supply.
andreas: and you have to consider, that the economy still works quite well in germany.
andreas: that's why so many young folks from spain etc want to come here...
jurov: apparently finding a rent in vicinity of s-bahn outside city center is a problem, too
andreas: even 20km outside of munich you'll have to pay > 500 euros to rent a small flat...
MJR_: davout: meteor is a success
MJR_: i love this framework
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.01585 = 0.0951 BTC [-]
davout: it looked awesome in the demo
davout: did you manage to make some sort of access control/user management easily ?
Chaang-Noi: that chart could be set to anything :)
MJR_: you can check out the alpha version at buttonwood.btcshares.com
MJR_: and no, i haven't implemented user accounts yet, that is the next phase
MJR_: after that geolocation features
MJR_: and then integrate with coinapult maybe
MJR_: mircea_popescu: it was union square park, and it went well
MJR_: blog.btchshares.com
MJR_: blog.btcshares.com i will have the youtube video up there soon, as well as pics and a full recap
MJR_: i definitely will, i've been pretty tired, between work and trying to get the app working
MJR_: ny times wrote about it though
MJR_: i think financial times should have an article soon, i'm supposed to grab drinks with that reporter this weekend
Chaang-Noi: Firefox can't find the server at blog.btchshares.com. is the fail just me?
andreas: mircea_popescu: are you a java coder?
Chaang-Noi: then can some tell me what is going on? i lack context
MJR_: sorry that was wrong link
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.46 = 4.38 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i meet a guy in bkk to trade fiat for btc
Chaang-Noi: and one other guy who wanted to as well but had communications fail
truff1es: i-dont-no-biari-i-know-a-littel-java/ >> wonders if spelling mistake on purpose
andreas: I just hoped to find another Java coder...
Chaang-Noi: so AM mines 1000 btc a day now if id that math right
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00073496 = 4.9977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00072822 = 0.1456 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if they keep it up they might just top s.dice's best month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00073518 = 3.1767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7971 @ 0.00073531 = 5.8612 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6604 @ 0.00073578 = 4.8591 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00073594 = 8.6105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00073917 = 6.209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00074042 = 1.8881 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18854 @ 0.00074251 = 13.9993 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: but anyway im surethis is the best ever stock from ipo just on dividends alone :)
Chaang-Noi: 1500% stock price is pretty epic as well
Chaang-Noi: pretty damn sure we will be over 35,000 in may
Chaang-Noi: and then we need to add in the 10,000 units for sale at 2 btc each
Chaang-Noi: with all we are adding and the like id not be shocked if tehy paid out 50k btc this month
jurov: SELL: (CoinBr.iDiff-O):200 @ ฿0.11000000/ea wow someone is srs
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15178078 = 151.7808 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.15970416 = 159.7042 BTC [-]
KRS-1: so good buys ridhgt now are sdice and asicminer
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes. on may 15.
Chaang-Noi: mp likes s dice, i dont, i like am but mp does not
jurov: they actually need 0.5-0.9% more than that,. to recoup bf fees
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i think atm by mkt cap its > s.dice and am together mwahaha
jurov: threw some more iDiff-Os for 0.115 in, we'll see
Chaang-Noi: am is growing fast, s dice is falling fast
mircea_popescu: in 6 months we will be at the realisation that am is a mining stock, and consequently it's capped.
Chaang-Noi: and mp AM has [aid bak the ipo prioce like 3 times. s dice has not even once yet
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi that is just a result of friedcat's woeful financial management.
mircea_popescu: he sold 50% of asicminer for 20k btc worth like 150k usd
mircea_popescu: eric sold 10% of sdice for ~40k btc, worth like whatever, 4mn
mircea_popescu: would you rather sell half your business for 0.15 or 10% of it for 4 ?
Chaang-Noi: long term am is going to kill s dice as an investment:) no doubt
mircea_popescu: and this means deals select : idiots there, sane people here.
Chaang-Noi: friedcat was late int he game, his company was a long shot... s dice was already established
mircea_popescu: nah. his time to seize the moment was when the girl said
jurov: there's no reason am's tech lead will stay more than few months
mircea_popescu: actually erik is engaged to this girl he;'s beeb with for what, 7-8 years now ?
ThickAsThieves: mp, so you think erik is managing his business better?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, i think he's just not as financially clueless as friedcat.
Chaang-Noi: jurov in 2 months we should have 200 th or more bfl cant get close tothat
mircea_popescu: the hard working farmer who didn't understand banks ended up poorer than the lazy guy who never worked.
ThickAsThieves: so on one hand erik is better at making money for himself, and the other friedcat is running his business better
mircea_popescu: friedcat is quite apt at preventing his investors from realising their risk premiums
Chaang-Noi: as a share holder im happy with friedcat and would be pissed at eric, but i never bought in cuz i thought eric sold too high
Chaang-Noi: i think erik sold to a bunch of suckers :)
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi well ya, but you're not exactly famed for having a clue so.
mircea_popescu: selling for a right price != selling to a bunch of suckers.
Chaang-Noi: erik did what was best for him, but in the long run i bet people who trusted him dont make their money back
mircea_popescu: it's a simple matter of you trying to make your shoestring into fabled riches.
truff1es: was that a general you or you being chaang?
ThickAsThieves: how do you know that friedct isnt already thinking 10 steps ahead?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.429792 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and in general, there's always going to be this wild eyed "o, i will invest 100k into btc i expect 3475786895 billion"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.46 = 7.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.429793 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: he was able to sell it, and that is great for him, im glad he did, but as some one who was looking to buy, i think he sold too high and the people who did give him money wont see it back, i could be wrong but i doubt it
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4299 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: he is positioned to be the definition of all that is bitcoin mining
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi and yet you don;t think 1.5 for am is too high.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4399 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves mining is a quite different business from gambling.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.45 = 4.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you have the time and curiosity, read warren buffett's discussion of his woes in the textile trade.
mircea_popescu: as a beginning investor he kinda shared some of your mistaken ideas/assumptions.
mircea_popescu: but the condensed moral is : it's never worth it to participate in a commodified business which is being actively researched
ThickAsThieves: and will probably remain market leader in both permanently
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.014675 = 0.1761 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: because you'll end up spending loads on new tech but your income is pretty much fixed (or even declining)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.46 = 4.38 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: this also presumes there arent more ways he can diversify
jurov: ThickAsThieves: you think am is like intel?
mircea_popescu: (ie, people willing to overpay just to feel warmly involved)
Chaang-Noi: buying AM at 1.5 is not the same as buying at .1 i think AM was a long shot and might not have done as well as it did, but it did, and is turningout to be best btc investment evar
mircea_popescu: that making 1.5 out of .1 is ONLY GOOD if you actually take the 1.5
Chaang-Noi: iv collected a lot more money from AM than i put in, and still hold a large amount
mircea_popescu: which is exactly what's going on here, by refusing his investors liquidity friedcat is fucking them in teh wazoo
Chaang-Noi: and mp lol that you think i know what happened with my accounts with pirate :)
mircea_popescu: course his investors are in general too clueless to realise, so he can manage to get away with it
Chaang-Noi: most of his investers are happy with a 300% dividend and a 1500% stock price
mircea_popescu: the contention is : am investors put in .1, took the risk, survived it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.44 = 1.32 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and now... they can't sell because 1 unit sold moves the market
mircea_popescu: meanwhile clowns argue about how they're happy... well, no, they're stuck.
Chaang-Noi: mp AM is on like every exchange other than yours, and on some of them more than once
Chaang-Noi: AM is about the most liquid thing ever,
ThickAsThieves: i have a much harder time profiting from my sdice position
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi every exchange except mpex = every US state except rhodes island
Chaang-Noi: thing is, if it was listed on yuor exchange i would never buy it, no account
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: its the only stock i hold at this point and its held direct with friedcat (other than some day trading with the pts)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves people need to understand their place, otherwise goats will climb in the tree.
Chaang-Noi: lol mp is just jelly AMis best stock ever and they want nothing to do with him
ThickAsThieves: AM volume has been about 500-1200btc a day for a while now
Chaang-Noi: and he is sad cuz s dice is crashing and that was the only stock he had :/
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 1.271 / 1.41753 / 1.49999 (1086 shares, 1539.4 BTC), 7D: 1.12 / 1.33266 / 1.49999 (2301 shares, 3066.5 BTC), 30D: 0.6269 / 1.14142 / 1.75 (7948 shares, 9072 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15737871 = 157.3787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.16558317 = 165.5832 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i own millions of s.mpoe. it went from 2 to 70
Chaang-Noi: there are 5 or so pass throughs but most of the volume is OTc anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01565 = 0.0313 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and this is why you need to be bitchslapped ocasionally, you forget reality in favour of your own fantasy
Chaang-Noi: lol, controling the price of your own stock on your own exchange, lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, the moral of all this : amateur hour will keep us small.
mircea_popescu: it's just about darned time everybody understands we;'re here to turn btc into a trillion dollar thing
ThickAsThieves: but it's no easy argument saying they are not top 3 if not #1 btc biz
mircea_popescu: not so that X dood gets to turn his civic in for a rover.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they are in the top, somewhere between 2 and 3 atm.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.46 = 2.92 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: The droppings of the goats contain the kernels of the seeds they consume which are, strangely enough, used by locals to press and grind into oil.
mircea_popescu: i am shocked and amazed how rapidly all that got resolved.
jurov: Goat thinks his droppings contain seeds of truth.
mircea_popescu: lmao. somebody should make a droppings essence, market it as perfume
Chaang-Noi: ill be back in 2 months when AM has 200th and bfl is bankrupt and getting sued :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00072848 = 1.8212 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 80 @ 0.015 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00070757 / 0.00072405 / 0.00074251 (455958 shares, 330.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00068174 / 0.00071656 / 0.00076411 (1817468 shares, 1,302.34 BTC), 30D: 0.00064 / 0.00070525 / 0.00076528 (9997737 shares, 7,050.96 BTC)
mircea_popescu: i've not sold any in a while, the volume is lower but the price is on a definite uptrend
Chaang-Noi: i sold at 134 230 and 255 then 135 again, i want 70 or 80
Chaang-Noi: 50 would be3 awesome, i want more coins
ThickAsThieves: MPOE real depth: 15,507,117 shares bid0.00039496 avg price6124.63BTC total
mircea_popescu: in general, not just mpoe, not just mpex, not even just financials. mtgox book is puffy too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.0599 = 4.1198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.06 = 4.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.07 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+]
jurov: ThickAsThieves stfu. we want puts!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is him mostly a little mining, some cash on hand and bfl preorders ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.0151 = 1.057 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: it fell when BFL didnt deliver, and now has risen that BFL tricked everyone again
KRS-1: how often are those dividends paid again?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.014675 = 0.1321 BTC [+]
KRS-1: its a good value right now
KRS-1: thanks ill read up on those
ThickAsThieves: friedcat has hinted at quarterly payouts for larger side deals
mircea_popescu: afaik he was just testing the waters to see if he can move to monthly.
ThickAsThieves: "How much have we spent and are they spent properly? How much have we gain via non-public big selling contracts? Most companies do this on a quarterly or yearly basis. We could and will also do this."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 23 @ 0.01565 = 0.36 BTC [+]
ll: him just got some block erruptors too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 295 @ 0.0007423 = 0.219 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4702 @ 0.00074251 = 3.4913 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.01579 = 0.1263 BTC [+]
jborkl: Yeah, the PVC will not retain heat or be conductive, strong enough but still light weight. Good layout
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0151 = 0.0755 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.015 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.015 = 0.15 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sorta ontopic : the weirdest thing i know of is this miner who encased the boards in clay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01579 = 0.079 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: he won't let me take pictures, but the best part is he just waters it
mircea_popescu: apparently that thing can take out a shitton of heat that way
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.01579 = 0.1579 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15730002 = 157.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.16550667 = 165.5067 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so basically... options trading now pretty much works on the short side
KRS-1: 10-13 ghash for $5K? doesnt seem very good
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.46 = 7.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.014779 = 0.2069 BTC [+]
jurov: they should make miner with vaporizer :D
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15198693 = 151.9869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.15992594 = 159.9259 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.46 = 2.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.014779 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.465 = 4.395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0155 = 0.155 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0146 = 0.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.01452 = 2.178 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01451 = 1.451 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 155 @ 0.01450003 = 2.2475 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 560 @ 0.01450002 = 8.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 195 @ 0.0145 = 2.8275 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 26 @ 0.002976 = 0.0774 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0145 = 0.145 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.45 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.0155 = 0.2325 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 310 @ 0.0155 = 4.805 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.0147 = 0.1764 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0155 = 1.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.0145 = 1.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0144 = 0.0576 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01425 = 0.1425 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.42331 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4233 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.42321 = 9.9625 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4232 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.4231 = 5.6924 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.4231 = 7.1155 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4223 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.0143 = 7.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.01421002 = 7.105 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01421001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 73 @ 0.01421 = 1.0373 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 210 @ 0.0142 = 2.982 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1000 @ 0.0142 = 14.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000697 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00074138 = 3.2991 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01475 = 0.0738 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.01479 = 0.1479 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0145 = 1.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01475 = 0.2213 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: omg that depth chart is scam, kbtc and kusd scales are independent
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0145 = 0.145 BTC [-]
Tykling: what does the output from assbot mean ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.454 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.45 = 8.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01485 = 0.2228 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0149 = 0.0745 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: the scale is randomly set and means nothing
Bugpowder: kakobrekla: yeah I noticed that when I refreshed
kakobrekla: no it means you need to take it into consideration
Chaang-Noi: you said "it crossed" but i said that does not mean anything
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15185377 = 151.8538 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.15979648 = 159.7965 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3001 = 0.6002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.29 = 2.9 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: it was right after you said it crossed, but you did not respond to me
Chaang-Noi: the scale is just set to best fit that data for that time, so when it crosses means nothing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.0149 = 0.298 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0149 = 0.149 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.01485 = 7.425 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: so did you shop the cane to tortilla guy or what
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr is on vacation and the new girls are fucking clueless
kakobrekla: i just found out today im in scammers parts of the forum lol
kakobrekla: just hit page 2 so aparently its done.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4035 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i was called a scammer once, my scam was i called nefario a scammer, the the guy who called me a scammer got scammed by nefario and appoligized... id not worry kako
kakobrekla: its resolved before it got to my attention
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01469 = 0.1028 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01511999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01512 = 0.378 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: seeing how iirc kakobrekla was called a scammer for the bitbet april bet
Chaang-Noi: i know personally two people not on that list who have one unit
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24795 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1821 @ 0.00072848 = 1.3266 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4170 @ 0.00072823 = 3.0367 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00072822 = 4.4421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5109 @ 0.00072593 = 3.7088 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 1.47 = 23.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01512 = 0.378 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.469 = 5.876 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 14 @ 0.01512 = 0.2117 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01512 BTC [+]
benkay: hey! whatchall think about btcd?
benkay: whaddaya mean by got spec?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 14 @ 0.00999 = 0.1399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1000 @ 0.00997 = 9.97 BTC [-]
benkay: hilarious pull quotes:
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.424001 BTC [-]
benkay: "in the process found issues with unit tests, non portable functions..."
benkay: written by professionals
benkay: who don't laugh like apes when someone says "unit test"
benkay: "all code can and shall have test coverage"
benkay: all of the squee, you guys
benkay: and this was done because someone cared
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00093 BTC [-]
benkay: wtf does xchat not support multiple connections?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1000 @ 0.00092 = 0.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0009 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 300 @ 0.00085 = 0.255 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.014679 = 0.1028 BTC [-]
benkay: they're publishing this, notionally data extracted from their client
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.468 = 5.872 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: 18:57.32 ( kakobrekl ) do you have any spec written? im asking because bitcoind does not
kakobrekla: 18:57.49 ( @marco ) that is a tough question
kakobrekla: 18:57.57 ( @jy-p ) if you check out the godoc and comments, btcwire encodes a lot of the spec-related info
kakobrekla: 18:57.58 ( @marco ) bitcoind is the spec essentially
kakobrekla: 18:58.08 ( @marco ) we have documented heavily along the way
kakobrekla: 18:58.18 ( kakobrekl ) so thats a no then?
kakobrekla: 18:58.28 ( @marco ) it is looking like we will help getting the spec in order once development slows down a little
kakobrekla: 18:58.55 ( @jy-p ) we obviously don't have a draft RFC :)
kakobrekla: 18:59.10 ( @dhill ) if you run godoc, that will give you a lot of information
benkay: what are your thoughts on their response?
kakobrekla: my thoughs are : i hope they beat bitcoind guys to it
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 18 @ 0.003165 = 0.057 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.468 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.468 BTC [+]
benkay: is bitcoind team actively working on a spec?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.44 BTC [-]
truff1es: benkay would u say its perfect time for a nap?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.431 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.430501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0149 = 0.745 BTC [-]
benkay: truff1es only your body can tell you that
benkay: bitcoin: officially for hipsters
ThickAsThieves: the ASICM on Havelock is an extension of the fractional AM assets I have on Bitfunder and BTCT
benkay: as I said to a lady last night: "banks offer returns. students don't. end of story"
truff1es: students affect long term economy of a nation
benkay: trilema's probably a better education than whatever you're studying, thestringpuller
benkay: not to kiss ass or anything
truff1es: have yet to read a full article on there..
benkay: really? they're rarely in excess of 2k words
benkay: I hope that Mencius Moldbug engages with you on this one, MP
truff1es: i dont even do that now since im blocked
thestringpuller: I'd love to see mircea_popescu write an article on operating systems, or HLSL
benkay: as in topic of bitcoin?
benkay: get a job as a jr sysadmin
benkay: or devops monkey as they're called
benkay: and you're back in school?
benkay: did you fail out of the job market?
benkay: it's a shame you didn't find a shop where that kind of spirit is encouraged
pgp: interesting - only 43k volume in last 24h... VERY light trading...
benkay: << doesn't know what he's saying
thestringpuller: benkay: I did find a shop where that is encouraged. Too bad capitalist countries don't condone true entrepreneurship
thestringpuller: I think mircea_popescu is one of the flagship authors on the subject of "pop-culture entrepreneurship in the land of capitalism"
benkay: what is 'true entrepreneurship'?
benkay: and how were you fucked for practicing it?
truff1es: are you libertarian should be the 1st question
thestringpuller: the key to true entrepreneurship means solving a legitimate problem
thestringpuller: pop culture entrepreneurship involves creating a problem that really doesn't exist and marketing a solution to it, to grab the next round of funding from the daddy figure you never had growing up
pgp: yes... not an "invented" problem...
jurov: ThickAsThieves, I would use some other word than "fractional".. it may have unwanted associations :D
benkay: but that works all the time in america
jurov: but it would be rather clever, selling same asicminer shares on multiple places :D
benkay: all these all also fall into the bucket of "bullshit we do to make more bullshit for idiots"
thestringpuller: Github is technically useful, but I see where you are going.
benkay: "technically useful" bro has you ever done the distributed teams thing?
benkay: github eliminates massive comms overhead
benkay: tech stuff you're not interested.
benkay: actually *biz* stuff, but w/e
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.430501 BTC [-]
benkay: another huge value creator
truff1es: is thestringpuller libertarianian?
thestringpuller: you could either build the automation yourself, or buy it from someone else.
benkay: I'm missing the last pieces in how you got fucked for practicing some sort of atypical entrepreneurship.
truff1es: if i ask 3rd time does that mean im really really really interested in the answer hmm
benkay: if you ask infinity times does it matter?
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> pop culture entrepreneurship involves creating a problem that really doesn't exist and marketing a solution to it, to grab the next round of funding from the daddy figure you never had growing up << amazinglty apt summary
truff1es: it does for our lil discussion here
benkay: liberal, democrat, libertarian are all moronic simplifications
benkay: no human with opinions worth paying attention to is a strict any one of those
benkay: except maybe MM with his "reactionary" thing
truff1es: <thestringpuller> I'm not very political.>>> what does this even mean, u dont vote?
thestringpuller: My political discourse usually involves: allowing people to have a choice, vs. not allowing them to make a choice.
benkay: mencius modbug. if you can't handle MP, you really can't handle MM.
benkay: derp of derp course it's derp over derplified
benkay: the only way to understand someone's politics is to fucking talk to them about things that are not politics
benkay: well, things that are related to the real world
BitHub: satoshi - the father figure we've all been waiting for
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01413 = 0.1413 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01413 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01412 = 0.0706 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0141 BTC [-]
BitHub: ^django unchained fault
truff1es: <benkay> mencius modbug. if you can't handle MP, you really can't handle MM.>>>> why doeth thou thinket that i cannot handlet him?
benkay: originating in the murkey intuitive parts of my brain
truff1es: its hard to handle if they have no balls to speak back to u, u know
benkay: thestringpuller I am genuinely interested in the series of events that pushed you back into the ivory tower
benkay: mircea_popescu: he has a different agenda. using that word would drive off the soft-minded he's trying to implant viral ideas into.
pgp: who is going to bitcoin conference?
truff1es: Mencius is a contraian, how could i hate that
benkay: that word fries circuits in america.
benkay: MM wants functional brain circuitry.
benkay: he just wants to perform low-level hardware attacks on complete systems.
benkay: you, I don't think, care terribly about keeping the systems you operate on intact.
benkay: understanding (again, I think) that there's an infinite well of humans who might receive your ideas.
jurov: guys, who is this moldbug? some mythical figure?
benkay: but do you appreciate good ideas?
benkay: independent of the writing?
mircea_popescu: if it's not clear, what i was saying is obvious is the observation that "he's trying to implant viral ideas into"
truff1es: umm would be difficult for me, unless its like unique or awesome..
benkay: he's marketeering new paradigms to undermine the legitimacy of the USG. I can get behind that.
benkay: you push the 'life is all domination and submission at all scales' trip
mircea_popescu: benkay only in those parts where "common agreement" diverges too much towards "lalala i can make it so"
benkay: sorry, mp, I don't understand what you're getting at.
mircea_popescu: i push the submission/dominance trip in those fields where people are totally off the deep end with the "i can do everything" and "agreement makes it real" nonsense
truff1es: i guess i cant be too hard on mp, English is his 2nd language right
benkay: mircea_popescu, where's the dishonesty in MM's work?
mircea_popescu: if you want to get the borgs to revolt, it's one way to tell the borgs here's what you are, here's how things work, get fucked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00335 = 3.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4101 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.41 = 2.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.40340001 = 6.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00072752 = 11.6403 BTC [+]
jurov: "I promise - this is my last Bitcoin post. I fear it attracts low-quality traffic."
benkay: now, MP, what if the borgs are so thoroughly programmed that their filters just escape anything that threatens the binary?
benkay: (to get excessively nerdy with the metaphors)
benkay: but if you need to break through a firewall...
benkay: who are nonetheless *thoroughly* programmed.
truff1es: he's too verbose and repetitive..
benkay: sure. i hold that "honesty" is incompatible with his goals, which are to further derail already degrading programming.
jurov: he seems to go into lengthy elaborations only to end each article "usg will kill it anyway"
benkay: I don't know that MP cares about convincing a small slice of the American technocracy that the USG is broken and/or dying.
benkay: jurov, I think that's a meta-joke. "none of this matters anyways because the thing I'm trying to tell you ruins your life regularly will ruin your life about this as well."
truff1es: well writing betrays intent, if you cant convey the idea well it just falls flat
benkay: just 'cause you can't parse the idea doesn't mean anything, truff1es.
mircea_popescu: tbh, it probably could be said that unlike the moldbug fellow i have the advantage of not reallty giving a shiot avbout the us government
KRS-1: folks starting to predict sub $90 dollar market price now
mircea_popescu: but then again his caring is what'll perpetuate it, if even in the negative
KRS-1: idk bout that htough
mircea_popescu: much like the red marking on the girl's ass perpetuates the switch vibration long after the switch has rested.
benkay: that a thing happened.
jcpham: can invest in Tesla yet with my bitcoins directly
jcpham: or do i have to keep waiting
jcpham: tesla should just a bitcoin client in the car
benkay: I am not following at all, mp.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> nowhere on this planet are the unprogrammed to be found en masse. << unprogramming is actually trivially simple to do. takes about two weeks.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0147 = 0.0882 BTC [-]
truff1es: benkay ure proving my points over and over heh
jurov: jcpham, why? for better nerdgasm?
jcpham: nerdgasm all over the batteries
truff1es: <benkay> just 'cause you can't parse the idea doesn't mean anything, truff1es. >>> means something imo
jcpham: sorry i'm not paying attention to your conversation
jcpham: looks like a lot of words
truff1es: there are 3 different topics going on at least
jurov: okay jcpham, go back polishing your tesla.. oh moment, before that tell me, did elon apologize to ny times?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.438511 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 112.05000, Best ask: 112.67230, Bid-ask spread: 0.62230, Last trade: 112.05000, 24 hour volume: 33089.17796065, 24 hour low: 108.80000, 24 hour high: 115.21589, 24 hour vwap: 112.07752
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.430511 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4305 = 2.861 BTC [-]
jcpham: mircea_popescu channel is sausage party
jurov: i doubt assbot wants to admint tiberiusiv for third time
jcpham: someone got baned from here
truff1es: if most pplhave him on ignore then???
jcpham: did he call kakobrekla a cnut
truff1es: he was upset that addicts pat themselves on the back for kicking their habits
gribble: tiberiusiv was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <tiberiusiv> you cant read english paragraphs
truff1es: said person put him on ignore so..
jcpham: he gets upset when poor people speak
jborkl: he got klined or banned
truff1es: ppl in this room get upset when ppl dont adore them
jurov: truff1es that includes you
truff1es: im prob on the least liked list
benkay: nah trufs don't need adoration, just attention
jurov: i luke truffles (no homo)
benkay: not getting enough at home i warrant
truff1es: <benkay> not getting enough at home i warrant>>> ha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0147 = 0.0735 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.464899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4649 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [+]
truff1es: benkay on 2nd thoughts, its hockey season
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.014675 = 0.1468 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.014678 = 0.044 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.014679 = 0.3963 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15511341 = 155.1134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.16330751 = 163.3075 BTC [+]
truff1es: how many teams will beat team usa hmmm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.0147 = 0.5145 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0147 = 0.0588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.014679 = 0.1908 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00072752 = 3.4557 BTC [+]
TomServo: mircea_popescu: what was so loathsome about Guatemala?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.014679 = 0.0734 BTC [+]
truff1es: probably has nothing to do with Spanish being the official language
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072607 = 3.1373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9845 @ 0.00072593 = 7.1468 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 112.98000, Best ask: 113.34397, Bid-ask spread: 0.36397, Last trade: 113.34398, 24 hour volume: 32826.20339078, 24 hour low: 108.80000, 24 hour high: 115.21589, 24 hour vwap: 112.01367
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.009 = 0.018 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072622 = 3.138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8196 @ 0.00072593 = 5.9497 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00071973 = 3.7786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 998 @ 0.0007181 = 0.7167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00071367 = 5.5666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00071 = 7.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3453 @ 0.00070978 = 2.4509 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5521 @ 0.00070758 = 3.9065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1361 @ 0.00070674 = 0.9619 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.466 = 7.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.484599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 1.4846 = 31.1766 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 52 @ 0.0148 = 0.7696 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2998 = 0.5996 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.0149 = 0.2235 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.0149 = 0.5215 BTC [+]
b0n1: wanna see some action... mircea_popescu what about buying 5000 BTC on market order ?
b0n1: pushing it up to 150 would be good for business too
b0n1: feels like everybody fell asleep watching the market
mircea_popescu: boring pushes worhtless speculators out and actual business in.
mircea_popescu: kinda sucked all the benefit from speculators dry, got the press, that pie is eaten.
b0n1: but couldnt this happen a bit more up?
taub: congestion is followed by moves
taub: we're off my prophecy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.01499 = 0.5247 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.015 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01512 = 0.2268 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.01512 = 0.1361 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01673 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 49 @ 0.01674 = 0.8203 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01519 = 0.3798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.1056 = 0.528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01674 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01519 = 0.1823 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 50 @ 0.01776 = 0.888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01519 = 0.0304 BTC [+]
b0n1: i think there has to happen something to influence more people foreign to btc. Cant imagine that without an event with greater impact the market could go out of this quietness
jborkl: <BFL_StevenM> New chip/board status: not arriving tomorrow.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 39 @ 0.0152 = 0.5928 BTC [+]
b0n1: mircea_popescu, whats you oppinion on future market movements?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.01519 = 0.1671 BTC [-]
benkay: "the only thing feeps shear is being left out"
thestringpuller: ideally I would think mircea_popescu would want the price to be stable more than anything, despite the spot price
mircea_popescu: well simply put if people can't do business in btc people won't do business in btc
dub: jborkl: what channel is that from?
jborkl: I got it from a private channel, and reposted it
jcpham: jborkl: just two more weeks!
jborkl: shit, I have been saying that since November
jborkl: I don't think so, I think I will not see anything - minimum 1 month
benkay: b0n1: mp is running a a financial operation that makes money when the market stays flat. he'll want the market to stay flat.
jborkl: that is just what I am thinking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3639 @ 0.00070674 = 2.5718 BTC [-]
benkay: actually, this might be a good time to subscribe to an MPOE bond issuance.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2661 @ 0.0007058 = 1.8781 BTC [-]
benkay: you if you're crazy and desire absurd returns and don't care about wacky principal writedowns...
thestringpuller: benkay: actually mpoe bonds are sometimes good during volatility...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.0152 = 0.1672 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: it's only when the volatility is so extreme that insuring against price momvements is like trying to provide flood insurance during the great flood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0144 = 0.0288 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.015 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01480001 = 2.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 109 @ 0.0148 = 1.6132 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01460001 = 2.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 161 @ 0.0146 = 2.3506 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.0145 = 1.015 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 192 @ 0.01440001 = 2.7648 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <benkay> b0n1: mp is running a a financial operation that makes money when the market stays flat. << this isn't actually right
mircea_popescu: atm the market is flat and im making a ton because people shortsold.
thestringpuller: I think people short sold because buying was too expensive.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.1056 = 0.3168 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.476999 BTC [-]
benkay: mircea_popescu how would you describe the underwriting operation?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 17 @ 0.1057 = 1.7969 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: option traders make money *(from the bonds) when they are right
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.477 = 2.954 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.0007058 = 2.6115 BTC [-]
benkay: hence why the bot takes it hard during months of huge moves
benkay: makes some guesses about where price will end up based on whatever, and when those numbers are exceeded and there are options traders on the other side...
mircea_popescu: sometimes it makes a killing, like the 10k in jan or w./e it was
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01799 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 2.24 = 6.72 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the value of the capital structure of course being that risk is correctly distributed so as to not generate the sort of problems irl banks have
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0146 = 0.073 BTC [-]
benkay: what is the structure of afk banks, and the risk distribution therein?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.3 = 4.6 BTC [+]
benkay: I understand the MPEx/MPOE structure fairly well, tsp.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.478 = 2.956 BTC [-]
benkay: it's the contrast I'm lacking detail on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.0033 = 0.792 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00071189 = 0.3559 BTC [+]
benkay: apologies for interrupting. please continue.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 2.26 = 11.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.0146 = 0.0876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4285 @ 0.0007058 = 3.0244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4465 @ 0.00070254 = 3.1368 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 2.0001 = 20.001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0148 = 0.0592 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.29999999 = 0.9 BTC [+]
benkay: mircea_popescu: what is the risk distribution and capital structure of afk banks you avoided with the MPEx structuring?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 2.0001 = 12.0006 BTC [-]
benkay: (as if to imply these conversations and businesses are not real...)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.4769 = 5.9076 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: irl banks aspire to the vaunted "tbtf" status, which means their mpoe bondholders are the taxpayers, and the interest rate is fixed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2998 = 0.8994 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.3 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.0033 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4769 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 80 @ 0.0152 = 1.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4769 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.434001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.434 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.431001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10885 @ 0.00070254 = 7.6471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00070133 = 6.6626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4223 @ 0.00069905 = 2.9521 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 358 @ 0.0152 = 5.4416 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.476499 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.0152 = 7.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 512 @ 0.0152 = 7.7824 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01525 = 1.525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 687 @ 0.01525 = 10.4768 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 420 @ 0.0155 = 6.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1057 = 0.2114 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 45 @ 0.10597 = 4.7687 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01525 = 0.3813 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:ASICM] 1D: 0.01290000 / 0.01446685 / 0.01595000 (24785 shares, 358.56083442 BTC), 7D: 0.01290000 / 0.01446563 / 0.01595000 (24805 shares, 358.81983442 BTC), 30D: 0.01290000 / 0.01446563 / 0.01595000 (24805 shares, 358.81983442 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.01445 = 7.225 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 225 @ 0.01440001 = 3.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.015 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.476394 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.476395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.015 BTC [+]
WILLdude: This is a really dumb question, but if more people buy ASICminer shares, would I get less dividends?
WILLdude: Are more ASICminer shares constantly being introduced?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4764 = 2.9528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.476 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: if you buy your shares from an exchange, some of the operators do take a % as a management fee
ThickAsThieves: each operator has their own details for how they manage their asset
WILLdude: Were the recent dividends unusually high?
aneeshmehta: hey I'm looking to potentially do some OTC exotic options, if anyone has any interest/input hit me up
ThickAsThieves: it's all up to how they manage the business and profits
mircea_popescu: aneeshmehta nobody does "exostic options" for the sake of them being exotic.
dub: that furkinap(?) dude has a blog post about buing ma
aneeshmehta: mircea_popescu thanks I get that, that's why I'm looking OTC
WILLdude: Is there a reasonably good chance that I'd at least get my investment returned?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4764 BTC [+]
dub: you should keep in mind that nobody knows who AM are, they are operating an illegal business in a country with no real laws
dub: the risk is a lot higher than any conventional investment
mircea_popescu: at current prices they'd have to mine ~500k btc in ordeer to pay you back from divs.
ThickAsThieves: dub is the devil on your shoulder, my role as angel is done
mircea_popescu: they may make dough from selling gear, they may havenses,
mircea_popescu: they may encounter problems of all sorts, it's a tossup
benkay: yo dawg i herd u liek risk
benkay: so i incorporated some businesses in your bitcoin space to pile risk on your risk so you can invest while you invest
WILLdude: I'm only planning on 0.5 btc worth of investement.
benkay: gamble while you gable
mircea_popescu: well the worst hat can happen to .5 btc worth of investment
dub: for people like me that bought AM at <US$1 the risk is a lot less than those buying in now at >$150
ThickAsThieves: its worth what its worth 100% loss for you = the same total loss as anyone else
dub: but I've already recouped many times over
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4769 = 2.9538 BTC [+]
dub: it makes no sense to me but you made it
dub: its a loss of potential profit well over and above the profit I've already made
ThickAsThieves: mp, dont you have some sort of hooker analogy for this?
dub: say I call and order two hookers but three show up, I bust a load on six titties
dub: they havent left yet but they could at any time
dub: you're saying when they leave I lose?
dub: I've alreeady nutted three times
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0146 = 0.146 BTC [-]
dub: make a blog about bad analogies
dub: at the moment I'm up at least 1.5 jizzloads
iz: what happens if you re-invest the dividends that come out of your shares?
dub: I srsly don't see your point
mircea_popescu: dub it's like this : if you lose what you were merely promised or what you actually owned,
dub: I have more BTC out (from divs) than I put in, I still have the shares that are worth many many more times what I bought for
mircea_popescu: from a certain equitable perspective to present valuer you lose the same.
mircea_popescu: this because the difference between ownership and promise is nil
mircea_popescu: (they both being a promise of performance made by the world at large)
dub: this does not change that if AM walk tomorrow, I have 150% of my investment
ThickAsThieves: that thinking will lead to you allowing yourself to lose money
dub: I still have 150% of what I put in
ThickAsThieves: but your 1.4BTC shares becoming worth 0 certianly would be
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.017 = 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 93 @ 0.0165 = 1.5345 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.0146 = 0.7592 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.014679 = 0.1908 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.014679 = 0.367 BTC [+]
dub: ThickAsThieves: what I was not understanding is that you were making a point too obvious for my point parser to identify
benkay: "in any dispute, the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of issues at stake."
Willdude123: Urgh. I have no clue what to do. I'm not sure if I should invest in ASICminer or buy a BF
jurov: Just buy bitcoins and observe what happens.
Bugpowder: if you MUST be in the mining game, asicminer shares are the way to go
Bugpowder: thestringpuller: this guy is not looking for that level of commitment
thestringpuller: It's not really that much commitment. You can attach the shiggity to a breadboard in a day easy
Bugpowder: and when you do, it will be worthless
jurov: um, 280 pounds.. that happens to fit current price of casascius first edition coin
jurov: ended up 3btc/coin
Bugpowder: and given that 99% of all bitcoin ventures are scams
jurov: yes, you're basically talking with scammers here
benkay: don't get greedy man. enjoy the gravy train that are bitcoins
dub: Will dude.. lurk moar
benkay: "you cannot scam an honest man"
benkay: searching for outsized returns will get you proper fucked.
benkay: better yet, come up with a business that generates coins.
Bugpowder: probably a bad ideas benkay, most businesses fail
Bugpowder: If you have no clue, just buy and hold
benkay: here's the thing about businesses
benkay: hopefully you learn something
benkay: and #11 doesn't blow up quite as hard
benkay: repeat until you can actually make money
benkay: you already agreed with me dude :P
Namworld: But for web based businesses, which has less costs
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.014679 = 0.0294 BTC [+]
Namworld: You'll get more who turn a profit, but less which succeed.
benkay: don't start capital intensive businesses
jurov: well...if i had to fail 10 times i'd forgot btc completely
Namworld: It's easier to have a profit margin, but harder to get enough profit that it's worth the time.
Willdude123: I have a kinda job offer from someone willing to pay bitcoins.
benkay: they're scamming you send them to me
Willdude123: It's just a quick python program they want me to write.
Willdude123: Someone has replied, and he'll let me know at some point the details.
benkay: you are send him to me
jurov: okay. after benkay does a short process with your wannabe employer
jurov: then i'm interested too in your services
Willdude123: I'll ask for identification and set out terms for it.
jurov: ooh, so your employer shall be properly identified?
jurov: as opposed to some scammy asset? :D
jurov: sorry i'm in trollish mood a bit. just send me your Jobs4Bitcoins page to check up
benkay: i am 12 and what is this
jurov: dude, you'll learn, don't worry.
Bugpowder: coding for bitcoins is a good plan
jurov: Willdude123: sent msg on reddit, as rini17
Willdude123: But I won't charge very much. Maybe not even at all if you aren't satisfied.
jurov: np, i have some ideas for simpler tasks and we'll see.
jurov: never mention free work! especially not in such scammer channel ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.0146 = 2.92 BTC [-]
lyspooner: 12 year olds could not have understood bitcoin when it was introduced in 2009
KRS1: <dub> you should keep in mind that nobody knows who AM are, they are operating an illegal business <Bugpowder> asicminer is a real company
KRS1: Makes you wonder, if its an illegal company, is it a real company?
jurov: it's really illegal
KRS1: ohhhh that makes sense!
KRS1: Can't be a real ESTATE company, thats not what they do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00071168 = 3.0602 BTC [+]
KRS1: I was gambling last month in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida with my buddy and these hookers stopped by our blackjack table..If you've been around the block a few times as we have, they're obvious.
KRS1: They were getting wet and all over our chips.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.015 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01512 = 0.378 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01525 = 0.7625 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
KRS1: So they split and my buddy and I were talking..if they suck off 8 men per night, and the average penis size is what, 8" inches..thats 64" inches of dick per night..so lets say they work a 6-day work week. Thats 64 X 6 = 384 inches or about 32 feet of dick per week.. 32 X 4 weeks is 128 feet of dick per month..and 128 X 12 months is 1536 feet of dick per year. Over a quarter mile of
KRS1: dick to suck per year.
KRS1: Thats a lot of dick.
KRS1: If the average load is 2 oz..thats 36 US gallons of sperm..or 136.275 Liters.
KRS1: What is the average retirement age..
KRS1: After going through that exercise its obvious they need savings or retirement plans.
Willdude123: How much total power has the ASICminer chip farm got?
jurov: or is the "Harshrate" 15th already?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01525 = 0.0763 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 84 @ 0.01525 = 1.281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15368381 = 153.6838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.16188182 = 161.8818 BTC [-]
Willdude123: I'm still deciding, ASICminer or BFL miner.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.014679 BTC [+]
dub: Willdude123: not trying to be rude but if this much consternation about a $50 investment, perhaps you should be looking at something lower risk?
mircea_popescu: (the english part i mean, i don't thin the romanian part is doable)
mircea_popescu: dub i was thinking "if the position you're in is deciding between am and bfl perhaps more fundamental endeavours need prioritizing"
dub: I guess the simple analysis is that with AM there is a chance of getting in and out, grabbing a few dollars worth of divs in the middle
dub: while purchasing from BFL is pretty much a certain loss
KRS1: According to this article BTC is dead..lets all go home and shutdown now guys..its over.
dub: (unless you have free power and don't mind waiting a few years)
KRS1: Back to your day jobs.
KRS1: haha yeah..jack shit.
KRS1: it was amusing..i'm off to read rags now because i'm all out of trilema
KRS1: i could use some pr0ns though.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1053 = 1.053 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.010067 = 0.0302 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.010068 = 0.1007 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01007 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.010079 = 0.1109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7108 @ 0.00070973 = 5.0448 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1942 @ 0.00071189 = 1.3825 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.01515 = 0.0909 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.47689 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.4769 = 16.2459 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.478 = 25.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 1.4788 = 19.2244 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 102 @ 0.003115 = 0.3177 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 105 @ 0.00312 = 0.3276 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.01515 = 0.1061 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.002815 = 0.0563 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 80 @ 0.0033 = 0.264 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1051 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 2.0001 = 8.0004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00071189 = 5.7663 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.00312 = 0.936 BTC [+]