deedbot: valentinbuza voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: genera is the software layer to ivory's hardware, it's usually what people are talking about when "superior development environment!11" etc. symbolics architecture is crufty idiosyncratic, so taking its hardware without also the software doesn't make sense
phf: no, what i'm saying, so you have your ivory running on hardware, now what? you can start writing systems lisp from scratch or you boot genera.
phf: it's well documented (in before "ascii: i have all 12 books on shelves right here"
phf: but it doesn't have all the source code.
phf: yeah, i fat fingured enter before making the entire point
phf: i'm actually not even sure how much code is there, but what's critically missing is the low level bits that talk to hardware
phf: so now you're stuck with bitcoin, AND you also need to write say 20% of it from scratch while conforming to existing protocols
phf: in a sense that it's a massive code base that works, but if you want to have full ownership, you'll have to fill the source-less bits yourself
phf: there are extant lisp machines that have both hardware documentation and system sources, for example MIT's CADR, but cadr specifically predates symbolics by a dozen of years, was developed by academia, so it's nowhere near as advanced as genera
phf: (cadr is what all those mit alumni were trying to commercialize at symbolics and elsewhere)
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phf: fyi if you actually try running b parker's code you'll notice that it's not actually anywhere near working state.
phf: but i agree on the overall points, though moving forward from cadr wouldn't be so much backporting, as "writing in the missing bits"
phf: well, it's the prototypical "mud ball"
phf: that's a good kind of spy bus though, back when names for things were innocent. it's not like some kind of "Putting You In Control Bus!11(tm)(c)"
mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked
http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/062-greenspan-assault-on-integrity.html << the problem with this view is that the pantsuits correctly intuit that all the imbeciles they enfranchised are sitll imbeciles. consequently it would be no harm to a business' reputation to sell them iguanas on a stick and call it prime beef. they will never know ; and casual perusal of tardstalk "investor" as well as "community disc
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mircea_popescu: ussion" underneath any scam whatsoever will readilty vindicate this point.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no possibility~ of such a tging as reputation among africans, shamanists, idiots, "what good are square roots" and other sub-human non-people.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked corning gorilla glass is just alumino-silicate glass made by corning. there's a bunch others. think of it as cheap bohemian glass, that thing we had the 10kg fruit bowls etc, "cristal". that's leaded, this is aluminized.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the idea of forced ion exchange so the surface gets potassium-doped and thus micro-tensed and somewhat stronger is not bad.
mircea_popescu: not new, either. only became cost effective recently, but otherwise this is 1960s tech
mircea_popescu: the problem with these "breakthroughs" and "genius inventions" in the industrial setting is that they're generally ancient lore finally dug from under the mound of economical impracticability.
mircea_popescu: maybe, though really, it was cost effective in 200bc. they were just dumb.
mircea_popescu: but the greeks had the metallurgy to introduce the early steam engine, just like the english did.
mircea_popescu: consider, they made bronze statues. and had very advanced pottery.
mircea_popescu: they DID make some bronzeamphorae. but had no idea what to do with it.
mircea_popescu: you don't need symmetrical parts to make steam engine.
mircea_popescu: for same applications as historically -- mining first, then crop/textile processing, then boat power.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could have refined it once started, much like the english did.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact there was NO item more advanced in 1700 england trhan there was available in 200bc athens.
mircea_popescu: the greeks had better shipwrights, better mathematicians, better everything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they had cannons, just didn't use them as cannons because no gunpowder.
mircea_popescu: anyway, funny thing re bronze : it needs tin. as far as ancient world is concerned, copper was uberabundant (cyprus) but tin was either england or anatolia
mircea_popescu: but ifg you look at the 1k pre-bc greek cauldrons, the similarity to 1500 ad english castle pots is striking. just... the metal is about 100x finer in the ancient case.
mircea_popescu: the greek items can grow larger, and offer no visible seam, and so on.
mircea_popescu: well since the pot is still there, how'd the seam vanish from corrosion.
mircea_popescu: this is like 9 yo telling you that the bath dissolved her snatch. you can't corrode just the seam, as a concept, leaving behind the item without a seam can oyu.
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phf: !~later tell spyked damn you, i spent an entire night playing slither.io
jhvh1: phf: The operation succeeded.
phf: showed it to my girl in the morning, she said something along the lines of "bless your heart"
deedbot: valentinbuza voiced for 30 minutes.
valentinbuza: valentinbuza = valica, we talked a few days ago
valentinbuza: I have some clarification about choudary dude. He is a recent professor (1 year) at our university. The course is called "advanced" because from this year onwards will be advanced material.
mircea_popescu: !!rate valentinbuza 1 Ro kid, studies advanced cryptographies and things.
mircea_popescu: !!v 8BA76455A2533D5D3F55FD051D23ECF828EC1B474B1C85D9DEA162A31E78C589
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated valentinbuza 1 << Ro kid, studies advanced cryptographies and things.
valentinbuza: Because our students did not have any background on crypto. He chose to repeat material from "Introducere in criptologie", a course for 4th years undergrads.
valentinbuza: it's nice for CS students to have such opportunities as math universities dominated* crypto scene.
valentinbuza: I say that ACS (Automatica si calculatoare) did not have a crypto course until last year.
valentinbuza: While other universities (Math Unibuc) had some.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, her solution is to not leave the house ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's not about what she does, not an agent. She's merely an environmental hazard.
deedbot: r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Well, She isn't actually. She's part of the environmental hazard
r0nin-: mircea_popescu: are you familiar with codreanu?
mircea_popescu: ah. i tried to (intellectually, and financially) sponsor the "romanian new right". they weren'tr capable of digestion.
mircea_popescu: that's the extent of familiarity, i had to review the god-awful prose of the interwar imbeciles as part of writing the programme.
r0nin-: any familiarity with evola
mircea_popescu: r0nin- sure, about 50% of the girls "think he's great" pre-enslavement.
r0nin-: mircea: ive got some interesting reading for you
r0nin-: phf: i thought dark enlightenment completely discredited itself, by trying to julius evola while neckbeard
mircea_popescu: the odds of my reading amazon offerings of ustardian pantsuit nonsense are nil.
r0nin-: its actually the opposite
mircea_popescu: no. it is actually trying to bill itself as the opposite.
r0nin-: well i believe the content is available off amazon too
mircea_popescu: it can't be the opposite. not on amazon, not with the stupid title, not with that schmuck from "culture wars" magazine hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: r0nin- let's put it this way : i'll take an us author seriously ONLY AFTER he has underage porn on display somewhere.
phf: that oglaf is apropos thread above
phf: little known fact, mircea eliade was at some point a member of iron guard, and later tried to repent, mostly to preserve his academic legitimacy. still some accuse him of peddling evolan party line under the guise of legitimate scholarship. he was ousted by his own student
phf: one, Ioan Culianu, who was in turn killed in 91, some say over his criticism of romanian right, but of course we all know that he was dispatched by the occult interests over his research in that field.
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