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mircea_popescu: !!up valentinbuza
deedbot: valentinbuza voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and in other tight couplings, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1d311e42a24764b32eb521e60adcfd62/tumblr_nt9ft5KbHE1tcl9sho1_500.gif
phf: genera is the software layer to ivory's hardware, it's usually what people are talking about when "superior development environment!11" etc. symbolics architecture is crufty idiosyncratic, so taking its hardware without also the software doesn't make sense
mircea_popescu: so you want to implement the software in fpga ?
phf: no, what i'm saying, so you have your ivory running on hardware, now what? you can start writing systems lisp from scratch or you boot genera.
mircea_popescu: ah. well sure, boot genera
mircea_popescu: though is it actually documented at all ?
phf: it's well documented (in before "ascii: i have all 12 books on shelves right here"
phf: )
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: so genera-ivory then
phf: but it doesn't have all the source code.
mircea_popescu: lol
phf: yeah, i fat fingured enter before making the entire point
phf: i'm actually not even sure how much code is there, but what's critically missing is the low level bits that talk to hardware
phf: so now you're stuck with bitcoin, AND you also need to write say 20% of it from scratch while conforming to existing protocols
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?
phf: in a sense that it's a massive code base that works, but if you want to have full ownership, you'll have to fill the source-less bits yourself
mircea_popescu: i c
phf: there are extant lisp machines that have both hardware documentation and system sources, for example MIT's CADR, but cadr specifically predates symbolics by a dozen of years, was developed by academia, so it's nowhere near as advanced as genera
phf: (cadr is what all those mit alumni were trying to commercialize at symbolics and elsewhere)
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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asciilifeform: phf: i'd rather spend next decade reversing the bolix firmware, than wintel liquishit
asciilifeform: ( for one thing, bolix is comparatively small, quasi-logical, and nonmoving target )
asciilifeform: and product of men, not monkeys
asciilifeform: best of all, of course, would be for somebody to leak / steal the missing bits.
asciilifeform: failing this, could start with cadr and slowly backport bolix envir. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( cadr was fpgaized a while back , by b. parker )
asciilifeform: you wouldn't want to use it nakedly tho -- tiny, by modern standards, addr space
asciilifeform: and arch was dirty
phf: fyi if you actually try running b parker's code you'll notice that it's not actually anywhere near working state.
asciilifeform: i.e. baked around various arithm chips available at the time, rather than raw transistor
asciilifeform: phf: i haven't tried the fpga one
asciilifeform: the pc emu quasi-worked
phf: but i agree on the overall points, though moving forward from cadr wouldn't be so much backporting, as "writing in the missing bits"
asciilifeform: ideally would end with the 'good parts' -- the genera envir -- without the rubbish ( the byzantine hacks around specific amd alu chip quirks, the multitude of special purpose busses, the constricted addrspace )
asciilifeform: the sad part is , apart from the ONE basic win ( tagged word memory ) the lm arch was ~= that kalash, 'shit bolted to all sides'
phf: well, it's the prototypical "mud ball"
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that the mud was never scraped
asciilifeform: afaik even ivory has, e.g., 'spy bus', internally
phf: that's a good kind of spy bus though, back when names for things were innocent. it's not like some kind of "Putting You In Control Bus!11(tm)(c)"
mircea_popescu: and in other couples, http://68.media.tumblr.com/07e78476529bf98675c72ebdc456a5df/tumblr_nbsagh1pwo1s5gthao1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/062-greenspan-assault-on-integrity.html << the problem with this view is that the pantsuits correctly intuit that all the imbeciles they enfranchised are sitll imbeciles. consequently it would be no harm to a business' reputation to sell them iguanas on a stick and call it prime beef. they will never know ; and casual perusal of tardstalk "investor" as well as "community disc ☟︎
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: No closing quotation
mircea_popescu: ussion" underneath any scam whatsoever will readilty vindicate this point.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no possibility~ of such a tging as reputation among africans, shamanists, idiots, "what good are square roots" and other sub-human non-people.
mircea_popescu: ah nm, you get to it anyway.
asciilifeform: phf: lolyes it was debug bus
asciilifeform: before nonsensical committee name 'jtag' etc
asciilifeform: you could umbilical 2 lm's with it, 1 rides the other
mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked corning gorilla glass is just alumino-silicate glass made by corning. there's a bunch others. think of it as cheap bohemian glass, that thing we had the 10kg fruit bowls etc, "cristal". that's leaded, this is aluminized.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform was just drinking from these
asciilifeform: mircea_popescuine vintage, even
mircea_popescu: anyway. the idea of forced ion exchange so the surface gets potassium-doped and thus micro-tensed and somewhat stronger is not bad.
mircea_popescu: not new, either. only became cost effective recently, but otherwise this is 1960s tech
asciilifeform: tensed glass is veerry old idea - recall 'prince rupert's tears'
mircea_popescu: the problem with these "breakthroughs" and "genius inventions" in the industrial setting is that they're generally ancient lore finally dug from under the mound of economical impracticability.
asciilifeform: by that token, heron's steam turbine..
mircea_popescu: maybe, though really, it was cost effective in 200bc. they were just dumb.
mircea_popescu: but the greeks had the metallurgy to introduce the early steam engine, just like the english did.
asciilifeform: not sure about this
asciilifeform: they lacked the screw cutter, for instance
mircea_popescu: consider, they made bronze statues. and had very advanced pottery.
asciilifeform: ( the metallurgical lathe, that is )
mircea_popescu: they DID make some bronzeamphorae. but had no idea what to do with it.
asciilifeform: need lathe for symmetrical parts.
mircea_popescu: you don't need symmetrical parts to make steam engine.
asciilifeform: ( leaving aside the notion of bronze pressure vessel )
asciilifeform: depends, on what is meant 'steam engine'
mircea_popescu: item that turns fire into movement.
asciilifeform: well if you dun care what kind of movement - they had it
mircea_popescu: for same applications as historically -- mining first, then crop/textile processing, then boat power.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could have refined it once started, much like the english did.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact there was NO item more advanced in 1700 england trhan there was available in 200bc athens.
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that metal lathe was created and refined pre- steam
asciilifeform: cannon-making.
mircea_popescu: the greeks had better shipwrights, better mathematicians, better everything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they had cannons, just didn't use them as cannons because no gunpowder.
asciilifeform: better everything but off-arse-gettin'
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: that. or good fortune.
mircea_popescu: anyway, funny thing re bronze : it needs tin. as far as ancient world is concerned, copper was uberabundant (cyprus) but tin was either england or anatolia
mircea_popescu: neither a very convenient proposition.
mircea_popescu: but ifg you look at the 1k pre-bc greek cauldrons, the similarity to 1500 ad english castle pots is striking. just... the metal is about 100x finer in the ancient case.
asciilifeform: what's a castle pot
asciilifeform: ...the item one boils in oil in?
mircea_popescu: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e7Vp6Pa00SM/UZvLa8CFMLI/AAAAAAAACWU/NJf-WVxqyD4/s1600/UK+Warwick+Castle+021.jpg << example i've personally inspected.
asciilifeform: aah so it
mircea_popescu: the greek items can grow larger, and offer no visible seam, and so on.
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: ( but is it possible that the seam vanished from corrosion, with rest of surface? in ancient pot )
mircea_popescu: well since the pot is still there, how'd the seam vanish from corrosion.
mircea_popescu: and what corrodes bronze ?
asciilifeform: acidic soil ?
mircea_popescu: this is like 9 yo telling you that the bath dissolved her snatch. you can't corrode just the seam, as a concept, leaving behind the item without a seam can oyu.
asciilifeform: well no, not just seam, but whole outer n mm of item
mircea_popescu: seems improbable.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of traitorously redacted wickylicks, https://archive.is/Zus30
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 481396 | Current Difficulty: 9.23233068448E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 481823 | Next Difficulty In: 427 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 19 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B2458231AF1BE96E2DA3BF3D854A4127510AB16FEF900B4C2BED23EDBEE94BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1745...6777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (dns1.axtel.net. MX NLE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B2458231AF1BE96E2DA3BF3D854A4127510AB16FEF900B4C2BED23EDBEE94BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1422...1523 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (dns1.axtel.net. MX NLE)
phf: !~later tell spyked damn you, i spent an entire night playing slither.io
jhvh1: phf: The operation succeeded.
phf: showed it to my girl in the morning, she said something along the lines of "bless your heart"
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: !!up valentinbuza
deedbot: valentinbuza voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and who might you be ?
valentinbuza: valentinbuza = valica, we talked a few days ago
valentinbuza: I have some clarification about choudary dude. He is a recent professor (1 year) at our university. The course is called "advanced" because from this year onwards will be advanced material.
mircea_popescu: ag
mircea_popescu: !!key valentinbuza
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/1C5F3DEFE26D26256550F715E2E9B1EEEFBB8003.asc
mircea_popescu: !!rate valentinbuza 1 Ro kid, studies advanced cryptographies and things.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mo4Ow/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!v 8BA76455A2533D5D3F55FD051D23ECF828EC1B474B1C85D9DEA162A31E78C589
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated valentinbuza 1 << Ro kid, studies advanced cryptographies and things.
valentinbuza: Because our students did not have any background on crypto. He chose to repeat material from "Introducere in criptologie", a course for 4th years undergrads.
mircea_popescu: hm ?
mircea_popescu: ah i see.
valentinbuza: as you can see https://ocw.cs.pub.ro/courses/ic/start, the material is the same as "advanced" course
valentinbuza: disclosure: will be TA for both courses
mircea_popescu: good for you!
valentinbuza: it's nice for CS students to have such opportunities as math universities dominated* crypto scene.
mircea_popescu: uh. say wut ?
valentinbuza: I say that ACS (Automatica si calculatoare) did not have a crypto course until last year.
valentinbuza: While other universities (Math Unibuc) had some.
mircea_popescu: ah
diana_coman: valentinbuza, is this yours? http://cs.curs.pub.ro/wiki/pm/prj2015/avoinescu/x0lcd
valentinbuza: yeah. it sucks
diana_coman: aha
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/tute/ << Trilema - Tute
mircea_popescu: valentinbuza you can self voice, say !!up to deedbot.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/20/bchbcc-to-btc-brokerage/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - BCH/BCC to BTC brokerage
mircea_popescu: yo pete dushenski!
mircea_popescu: and in other heart shapes, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ca75e1bdb7d88cc7cc2d285eee7634d6/tumblr_nbwg21kIVh1s9gtmoo1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: In the new Background radiation https://archive.is/RtsFa
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, her solution is to not leave the house ?
mircea_popescu: how about not driving drunk.
asciilifeform: in the land of pubs with 400 car lots
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's not about what she does, not an agent. She's merely an environmental hazard.
asciilifeform: !!v r0nin-
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: Agrr
asciilifeform: !!up r0nin-
deedbot: r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes.
r0nin-: gentlemen
BingoBoingo: Well, She isn't actually. She's part of the environmental hazard
r0nin-: mircea_popescu: are you familiar with codreanu?
mircea_popescu: is this a live character ?
r0nin-: Cornelius Codreanu
mircea_popescu: ah. i tried to (intellectually, and financially) sponsor the "romanian new right". they weren'tr capable of digestion.
mircea_popescu: that's the extent of familiarity, i had to review the god-awful prose of the interwar imbeciles as part of writing the programme.
r0nin-: any familiarity with evola
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/noua-carticica.pdf << end produict, for the curious.
mircea_popescu: r0nin- sure, about 50% of the girls "think he's great" pre-enslavement.
mircea_popescu: !#s julius evola
a111: 5 results for "julius evola", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=julius%20evola
r0nin-: mircea: ive got some interesting reading for you
r0nin-: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1521824355
r0nin-: phf: i thought dark enlightenment completely discredited itself, by trying to julius evola while neckbeard
r0nin-: lol
mircea_popescu: the odds of my reading amazon offerings of ustardian pantsuit nonsense are nil.
r0nin-: its actually the opposite
mircea_popescu: no. it is actually trying to bill itself as the opposite.
r0nin-: well i believe the content is available off amazon too
mircea_popescu: it can't be the opposite. not on amazon, not with the stupid title, not with that schmuck from "culture wars" magazine hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: it';s the exact same thing.
mircea_popescu: r0nin- let's put it this way : i'll take an us author seriously ONLY AFTER he has underage porn on display somewhere.
mircea_popescu: minimum bar to "opposite"
shinohai: http://oglaf.com/haft/
phf: that oglaf is apropos thread above
phf: little known fact, mircea eliade was at some point a member of iron guard, and later tried to repent, mostly to preserve his academic legitimacy. still some accuse him of peddling evolan party line under the guise of legitimate scholarship. he was ousted by his own student
phf: one, Ioan Culianu, who was in turn killed in 91, some say over his criticism of romanian right, but of course we all know that he was dispatched by the occult interests over his research in that field. ☟︎