tmsr - Log 2017-03-18

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 21:18 pete_dushenski: sadly, the whole 'apres-ski' culture has declined considerably since the 70s, at least around these parts. used to be that hawties with rich papas would show up at the hill, decked out to the 9s and with $500 boots over their shoulder, and just chill and drink in the chalet all day

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 21:34 pete_dushenski: gotta love washpo's new subtitle : "democracy dies in darkness" (!!)

mircea_popescu: Woodrow Wilson International Center << bwhahaha. i can hear the shocked butt tears of career middle aged wiminz from here. fuck you bitchez, shoulda learn to twerk when you had the chance. now go die in darkness. "bureaucracy career" my foot.

mircea_popescu: there's about 6-700k "career" dorks who won't be making their mortage payments this year.

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 22:42 jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Proverbs 5:19 :: Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 22:59 BingoBoingo still not sure "racoon" story wasn't just a "das racis" joke

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628894 timestamped 01:33 whereas https://archive.is/dlUoc timestamped 01:47 shows it as "11 minutes ago". teh alphabets got some new servers or what. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-18 01:33 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/guys-and-dolls/ << Trilema - Guys and dolls

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phuctor gets crawled every ~10min, looks like

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm probably doing sth wrong but now one of the two replies i just posted is marked as awaiting moderation and the other doesn't; sorry if i broke some bytes

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: many thanks (added a trivial answer just to properly ack). ok time to sleep before blabbering again, mein gott

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627436 << i saw a few 2's scroll by while writing the index to disk, i'm going to spend some time staring at it myself and then share it around ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 16:27 Framedragger: did you already have a chance to check if there are any tx collisions in the 32 bit address scheme? just curious

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624858 << re rdtsc etc, i'm curious, does `grep -E '^model name|^cpu MHz' /proc/cpuinfo` consistently report to you mhz which are (+/-1 a mhz or so) equal to model frequency? (i know you can turn off linux powersaving etc features) ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 23:41 asciilifeform: if it dun run at a constant rate: a) adjust your bios b) if fails, Throw it out!!

Framedragger: it doesn't do that for me (but i'm yet to double check that some 'additional' powersaving / freq scaling features are not enabled)

Framedragger: (okay apparently if your cpu supports 'constant_tsc' (as seen in cpuinfo) then this timestamp counter actually counts time and not processor ticks which is a *good thing* given freq scaling etc.; this is available in all new intel processors; what a rabbit hole, man)

Framedragger: (also due to modern out-of-order execution in cpu pipelines, may need to force all commands before the rdtsc call to be 'flushed', i.e. to have completed before the counter instruction is called; just noting for self)

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628783 << to briefly revisit : contrary to what general public might expect (tm), if brother and sister conceive together the result is going to be a perfectly fine baby by any standards. yes it's possible they spawn a monster, but not likely, and moreover this is possible anyway. (for instance : rh negative women (but not positive) impregnated by rh positive man can and often do develop aut ☝︎

mircea_popescu: oimmunity against either current fetus or, even more perverse, against the NEXT. girl has kid fine, but also prepares herself to murder next horribly. nature is FULL of such traps.)

mircea_popescu: the problem, however, is that under the skin-deep "kid is fine", his passive genetics have seriously weakened. if he lives as part of a larger population that does this, a few generations down the road genetic decay manifests and there's literally no hope -- the population will either move to exogamy or die out. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: which is WHY the "dun fuck your sister" thing is such a huge taboo : a) it will kill you and b) you won't notice. that's the problem with these boiled frogs scenarios, from carbon monoxide poisoning to sibling conception to etc : you got no warning bells connected to THIS failure mode.

mircea_popescu: but what this means, obviously, taking the converse... is that there's a lot there than meets the eye. which is the point.

mircea_popescu: this is, of course, also the natural basis for tyranny. it's nice and good to have independent agents, but there must be some sort of authority which tells them "hey, you're rh-, your husband rh+, you're seven months in, here's your rh antigen shot." this authority may be the wife, may be the husband, but if it's neither of them it'll have to be something outside, and if it is what do you call it ?

mircea_popescu: tyranny, exactly. "do this or die." that's the definition. and it's not yielding : if the wife/husband have the intellectual wherewithal to understand the whys and wherefores, fine, and bully for them. but if they do not -- it isn't thereby going away, lol.

mircea_popescu: so it stands entirely unrevisable : either you understand it or not ; whether you want it or not : here's your shot. tyranny.

mircea_popescu: add to this that there's a long list of such must-know (o hey, bought new house in so and so zone ? does it have a basement ? here's your geiger counter. what do you mean you don't understand ? atten-hut! nobody asked you what you understand, and it'll be 49.95

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/724600905B1EC7B1AF7234B5B29D4A07AC2D9FFAFB84B76D7E396B40574E4760 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1522...5779 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '5.144.32.40 (ssh-rsa key from 5.144.32.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CH)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/724600905B1EC7B1AF7234B5B29D4A07AC2D9FFAFB84B76D7E396B40574E4760 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1500...2987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '5.144.32.40 (ssh-rsa key from 5.144.32.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CH)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628916 << my opterons don't have a throttled clock, physically ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-18 11:03 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624858 << re rdtsc etc, i'm curious, does `grep -E '^model name|^cpu MHz' /proc/cpuinfo` consistently report to you mhz which are (+/-1 a mhz or so) equal to model frequency? (i know you can turn off linux powersaving etc features)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628912 << whoever it was, he has problems paying, apparently, i bid on the 'macivory' and ended up getting '2nd chance offer, high bidder didn't pay' from seller ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628909 << didja save the full colliding txids, ben_vulpes ? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-18 05:56 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627436 << i saw a few 2's scroll by while writing the index to disk, i'm going to spend some time staring at it myself and then share it around

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628934 << what were l0/l1 in the context? looks like i've fallen behind in altcoinology ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-18 12:34 mircea_popescu: and here's something to amuse alf with : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6__KPOV4AA0_AK.jpg

mircea_popescu: l0 is verified by the bitcoin network as part of its functioning. l1 can be verified by anyone with a full blockchain.

asciilifeform: i can see how it could exist, but not what the point is

mircea_popescu: anywya, the reason i linked it is because obviously the ~whole space readily reduces to "what a number of people understood and remembered of what they at some point read on #trilema"

asciilifeform: not deeds, lol

asciilifeform: the heathen imitation

asciilifeform: 'i can't believe it's not bitcoin'

mircea_popescu: absolutely no conceivable reason outside of some jolene or other needing to feel special.

mircea_popescu: plus they got into an argument over the carpeting color in 1956 and split the congregation.

asciilifeform: speaking of schisms in heathendom, https://archive.is/WplLL >> 'A group of nearly 20 exchanges has released contingency plans in the event that the bitcoin network splits in two, creating two competing currencies. The exchanges are now planning to list Bitcoin Unlimited (BU) as they would an alternative cryptocurrency...'

mircea_popescu: eh, "nearly 20 exchanges", wut. "exchange" idiots have managed to trade the 2012 situation, where they had gone from 0 to almost 50% of bitcoin trading for a slow and agonizing death. i'd be surprised if all of them (which within 90% is the first two) actually cover 10% of bitcoin for fiat trade.

asciilifeform: the lulzy bit: '"However, none of the undersigned can list BTU unless we can run both [blockchains] independently without incident. Consequently, we insist that the Bitcoin Unlimited community (or any other consensus breaking implementation) build in strong two-way replay protection," the group said. "Failure to do so will impede our ability to preserve BTU for customers and will either delay or outright preclude the listing of BTU."'

asciilifeform: i.e. 'we know about mircea_popescu's nuke, invent a magical bunker for us to hide in'

mircea_popescu: more like, the usg is under the pressure to appear to be doing something, has settled on "chipping", ie, o noes if an eth splits off bitcoin that'll be bad for bitcoin!!!1

mircea_popescu: not how it works irl on any models that don't include "we need to be seen as doing something please god" as a hard constraint.

mircea_popescu: but whatever, "who could have predicted" and "nobody wants a govt job anyway so you can't fire us."

deedbot: diana_coman rated lobbes 2 << Made a very useful bot for #eulora. He's very modest, too.

a111: Logged on 2017-03-18 14:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628909 << didja save the full colliding txids, ben_vulpes ?

ben_vulpes: the methodology i recall was 'for each tx, take top 32 bits, use as index into array, increment byte at offset"

asciilifeform: colliding in top32 , ben_vulpes

asciilifeform: which naturally includes the at least 4 known wholly-colliding hashes

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E9EE3CA9D5C60624D4305E16BBBC55FCBD35309FA1BB2AE5091363A87906CE1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1438...7997 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.12.32.81 (ssh-rsa key from 88.12.32.81 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (81.red-88-12-32.staticip.rima-tde.net. ES)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E9EE3CA9D5C60624D4305E16BBBC55FCBD35309FA1BB2AE5091363A87906CE1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...3483 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.12.32.81 (ssh-rsa key from 88.12.32.81 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (81.red-88-12-32.staticip.rima-tde.net. ES)

asciilifeform got the ref

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628941 << he was offered an out on his later trades, because "why buy a macivory if you already bought a better macivory??", but i don't think he's going to take it ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-18 14:19 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628912 << whoever it was, he has problems paying, apparently, i bid on the 'macivory' and ended up getting '2nd chance offer, high bidder didn't pay' from seller

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-13#1626568 << pretty much entire board is socketed, definitely the case for ivory ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-13 16:49 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i was thinking' of buying that 'ivory' and making a signal interposer . any idea whether the magic cpu was soldered down, or LIF socketed..?

phf: also by signal interposer you mean attaching a logic analyzer, or an actual gadget to sit on bus and do things?

a111: Logged on 2017-03-13 00:13 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i dug out my crate of dead bolix boards, turns out i'm a chump, the pcb in question was a dead xl1200 ~i/o~ board. the only cpu on it is what looks like a z80! 0 smbx silicon.

asciilifeform: phf: i already have a logic analyzer, but would have to get it attaches to the pins on that thing

asciilifeform: *attached

asciilifeform: and where'd you get that one ?

asciilifeform: wanna sell?

asciilifeform: though the pinout is unknown, which is why i considered getting entire card

asciilifeform: literally everything else on that card, i have pinouts for, they are standard 1980s parts, it seems

asciilifeform: i can read the eprom, and the GALs

asciilifeform: and xray for the pcb tracks

phf: i'm not sure if it's working, it's from a "possibly broken" box, but i can lend you that one after i test it in my ivory, and if you have a viable project of some sort, i can probably get you more

asciilifeform: overall i suspect this is a more productive attack than microscopy ( though the thing was fabbed at 1 uM, it would be quite visible on optical microscope )

phf: my goal with that thing was to give it to zeptobars, but i'm not going to moscows for at least another 4 months

asciilifeform: i bid 2.6k usd on the ivory2 from earlier thread, then wss outbid, then offered nonbinding '2nd chance', but by then thought 'meh'

asciilifeform: phf wouldn't happen to know the pinout, by any chance ..?

asciilifeform: phun phakt, according to the press release for smbx, that thing had 370k transistor. slightly more than 386. (but around half as many as 486 iirc)

asciilifeform: it'd handily fit in a, e.g., xilinx spartan6.

asciilifeform: ( and picture if it could be made in modern fab, at GHz+ ! ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: betcha all of the 'life support' would fit also. just stick a few srams and a nic on top.

asciilifeform: out of curiosity, why does phf keep 'ivories' around if he has alpha, and on top of that a patched/working x64 generatron?

asciilifeform: ( ivories, and xl1200, and i forget what else )

asciilifeform: iirc alpha-genera on 1ghz alpha runs at 40x the clock that xl1200 ran at..

phf: both approaches are viable, you can use emulator as reference, you can also use real hardware as reference, with the solution meeting somewhere in the middle.

phf: i don't have an alpha though, same reason i don't have a macivory, i don't want to have to study/rely on all these other architectures

asciilifeform: oh hm i thought phf had an ivory

asciilifeform: asciilifeform would trade a 3620 and 2 alphas for 1 working ivory

asciilifeform: aha i knew this

asciilifeform: i was merely confounded by 'i'll test it in my ivory'

asciilifeform: also it seems like there were 2 macivories, the one i almost bought, was 4x slower than the last made, and had external ( on another nubus card ) ram

asciilifeform: which paradoxically makes it ~better~ from reversing pov

asciilifeform: ( much easier to snoop nubus cycles than to tap a bus on ancient and fragile card )

asciilifeform: phf: i've contemplated a 'cheat' : run macivory 'lifesupport' on patched m68k emulator (e.g., 'basilisk') that would bring nubus i/o out to a test stand, on which the card would sit

asciilifeform: then replace card with fpga+ivorychip (after reversed glue logic)

asciilifeform: then, eventually, whole shebang with fpga.

mircea_popescu: that said, it could of course be re-done, by people who understand completely what it did. but a lot more work than "print me these old family films on modern paper".

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1629015 << odds are it couldn't be re-done in a current fab, the vast majority of current fab constraints go towards avoiding echos and other self-crits the design may impose upon itself. as the engineers at the time didn't labour under the same constraints, and they're cutting out way more than 99% of the theoretical design space, the odds their work product would work in 14nm process are ze ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-18 18:06 asciilifeform: ( and picture if it could be made in modern fab, at GHz+ ! )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are ~no echoes etc at the 10mhz the thing worked at.

asciilifeform: and z80 worx ok in 22nm.

asciilifeform: and 6502

asciilifeform: that d00d (chuck peddle, iirc) who makes the wd65c02

asciilifeform: makes'em in modern fab, cheap, too, i have a bunch of samples here

asciilifeform: i know this because he is fabless, makes'em at commercial 'by the pound' fabs

asciilifeform: fabbing at other than 'bleeding edge' process, is apparently quite predictable and 'boring' affair

asciilifeform: more like ship charter, than space launch.

asciilifeform: recently i found that even a plebe could, in theory, afford a few thou. units of 1980s-style fab.