mircea_popescu: "cyber forensic lab" aka the usg owned-and-operator "truefax" producer for usg court system.
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732293 << I think I see what you mean. In my case the meaning would end up being "x are never routed through y, ever". I could then end up regretting this if I one day encounter the situation where changing that meaning would result in an overall better process, but, alas, I cannot change due to downstream dependence on that meaning
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 06:36 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732274 << not exactly. exception becomes semantically meaningful, then others end up building applications on the meaning, then you're stuck supporting unintended downstreams.
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a111: Logged on 2017-11-02 19:33 asciilifeform: ^ per asciilifeform's current understanding, thing is untriangulable unless enemy knows the freq keying pattern, or is standing in the near field of your transmitter.
mircea_popescu: apeloyee correlation can reveal anything one wishes it to.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "Die Geschichte von zwei Jungen auf trilema – ein Blog von mircea popescu. Bitcoin Bergbau auf Android"
mircea_popescu: ie, there's a dork doing great seo successes by auto-translating and republishing content.
mircea_popescu: "gotta try, man!" "it kinda might works, i think" etcetera.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "british researchers" as they're known in the romanian press will receive all sorts of signals, even when no signals there.
mircea_popescu: you've seen the whole "blockchain interpretation & crystal ball" "expert services" usg spawned to date neh ?
mircea_popescu: they "decode" who paid whom when via blockchain signals, they see transmitters etc, they've "incontrovertible proof" that so and so parcel of fiatola broke the laws and so on
mircea_popescu: consider the following point : the recent las vegas shooter had bought a room ; and had ferried a quarter ton of materiel up there ; and then the concert started, and he sat.
☟︎ shinohai is reminded of how the Syrians captured Eli Cohen in this thread ......
mircea_popescu: he thought to himself, is this me, is this my life ? am i not better than this perhaps ? maybe haymasfuturo ?
mircea_popescu: ONLY when some dork tried breaking in the door, ONLY, ABSOLUTELY ONLY when confronted with a hard decision did he start shooting. not before.
mircea_popescu: in fact, it is altogether likely that HADN'T there been a "hero security guard"/illegal immigrant to try and break in the door, 60 or so useless tards watching a "concert" would still be here sucking down their coca colas.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the broader point i am making is that the constraints on the gestapo are neither financial nor technological.
mircea_popescu: so, to make it perfectly plain : A. they'll break down "your" door at any point and for no reason because it's not your fucking door and they're not reasonable. B. a forty cent bullet is more effectual countermeasure than ANY amount of thought.
mircea_popescu: people get shot while the usg brown shirts are breaking in all the time ; they had no transmitters. adding one that had to this list does not raise above the statistical noise floor.
mircea_popescu: i am offering the (sadly unverifiable) proposition here that it is more likely to have your door broken into and your pet shot because "they thought tuttle lived there" a la brasil ; than because you were running a clinton-porn-pirate-radiostation and someone in usg noticed.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile usg criminal gang aka "law enforcement" just killed its 999th victim this year, nov 2nd. 71 yo jerry roach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but that's the point, a battlefield where everyone was properly armed hasn't existed since the sabine "war-games" ie let's figure out who impregnates this gang of feverish sluts.
mircea_popescu: i expect when i finally execute whoever's then sitting on the inca throne, they'll print "ex US president dies after MP confrontation"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, notice how it's all males ? how about some fucking gender equality ? where's the "women in police shootings" workgroup ?
mircea_popescu: dja recall i mocked at some point, i dun recall if here or on trilema, this wikipedia tard who posted something like "oh, i'm trying to help by being an officious intermeddler on this here admin board, until someone tells me to stop" ?
mircea_popescu: many many years ago. but the item is exactly descriptive. one day, white petrus shows up at so and so office, starts picking up the trash and acting as if he works there for visitors.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe this turns into a job ? if he gets ensconced neough ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, exactly like kanzure and friends. they've nothing to do with the topic they discuss, but they do enjoy the attention from you know, "authority".
mircea_popescu: so... nsa wants to keep in touch with the whatever community, and idle tards of ~same value as a pig their size want to be kept in touch with.
mircea_popescu: out of their happy interaction, a whole alt-world of no impact and no importance.
mircea_popescu: well, once you finally get triphase installed you may then be surprised.
mircea_popescu: but that practical consideration aside, obviously nothing wrong with doing things right.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 14:45 asciilifeform: ( incidentally the other day asciilifeform finally met phf in meatland )
mircea_popescu: same ol' disaster of commons. when it comes to it, erryone's got something to do at home.
mircea_popescu: romanian expression is "taie frunza la ciini", ie, divide leaves among the dogs.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 14:18 asciilifeform: apeloyee: q was, is it possible to transmit in such a way that for someone without the key, there ~is~ no 'signals received'
apeloyee: if enemy has only one receiver, you can
shinohai is now thoroughly depressed after reading October s.qntr statement
apeloyee: asciilifeform: in one receiver case, one can detect a narrowband transmission using autocorrelation; in case of "aperiodic" whatever, one can detect a spatially fixed transmitter by measuring correlation between signals of two stations. of course, in practice one would need to use many pairs (or a clever algorithm I cannot now think of), and filter known stations
apeloyee: two stations won't let you recover the signal, of course; just know something's there as soon as it transmitted enough bits (literally!)
mircea_popescu: apeloyee maybe i'm missing something. how do you distinguish this "something" from "people turned on their electric stoves" say ?
apeloyee: by using stronger signal than the stoves. if you try to be below noise, you would transmit slowly, and thus still not evade max # of bits.
mircea_popescu: apeloyee do you have an idea how loud random events get ?
apeloyee: can just as easily be, say, 17 sources geographically dispersed , working in concert << you would not particuraly need fancy modulations then
mircea_popescu: for instance : the majority of low clouds passing over this here observation point are em-louder than CG-73.
mircea_popescu: (item got reliably measured because in the 90s they were derping about putting a d-fluorine mw laser on it.)
apeloyee: clouds move. otoh if the suspected source keeps transmitting...
apeloyee: I concede I don't have a good estimate as to the amount of information a fixed location's good for
mircea_popescu: all sorts of phenomena intercede. clouds is an example, but the point is that "noise floor" is not JUST a floor, but also randomly distributed perturbations, which during a whole day can reach significant amplitudes.
mircea_popescu: apeloyee take an actually publicly-documented example : most crews tend to turn off the auto-return-fire thingee because left to its own devices it wastes all the ammo.
mircea_popescu: this is a much more reliable sound-detection with satellite support item
mircea_popescu: in general, the only thing a "find me an em shrubbery" produces reliably are false positives.
apeloyee: it wastes all the ammo.<< if ammo would be cheap they wouldn't.
mircea_popescu: apeloyee ammo is always expensive even if free, for a purely ecological reason. you don't want your space too filled with ordnance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then i guess foxes use hunter-provided equipment.
apeloyee: if there's truly that many perturbations, they will also make difficult for the intended recipient to receive correctly.
mircea_popescu: apeloyee narrowness of band was the original attempt to get out of this. the narrower the band the "better" the reception in the sense of fewer natural perturbations. which is what drove the move to diodes and then ic.
mircea_popescu: (no, ic was not made for ocmputers. ic was made for naval comms.)
mircea_popescu: if you use wide spectrums, you get back to the problem of, "nature has more energy to burn than you do"
apeloyee: if you have more transmitters than enemy has receivers "in the area" (precise meaning is a legit research q), then you can hide from the enemy, otherwise, you will be eventually found.
mircea_popescu: apeloyee suppose what is transmitted is an equivalent of the "number stations" of old. minus, of course, the girly voice.
mircea_popescu: if i actually transmit fg output, do you expect you'll ever find ?
apeloyee: if you use wide spectrums, you get back to the problem of, "nature has more energy to burn than you do" << I'm unsure. Shannon-Hartley thorem sez that at least in its conditions, using as wide spectrum as poosible is optimal.
mircea_popescu: apeloyee but this is relevant if you already know there's a signal there
mircea_popescu: ie, it establishes maximum rate, not some kind of "minimum rate of relevancy"
apeloyee: i meant optimal for the sender and his expected recipient, not eavesdropper.
mircea_popescu: (imo the best model of "real noise" in this sense is perusing the SETI reports, or else any major, indiscriminate dataset of radiotelescopy. THAT is how natural noise goes. with the occasional neutron star and the occasional "holy shit" scribbled in pen)
apeloyee: real noise is not so gaussian << true. but still means must solve the q of optimal bandwidth each time
mircea_popescu: the problem with "natural noise" is that there's so many local maxima.
mircea_popescu: however you define your function, the principal distinction between gaussian and natural noise is that the former is smooth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly ; but this would then match my criteria for "not by purely passive em methods" above.
mircea_popescu: not ~entirely~ passive, he makes some assumptions on the nature of "using hunter-provided equipment"
mircea_popescu: apeloyee let me take the matter this way : are you familiar with how every "be a graphics artist" software package out there has a coinvolve-with-gaussian "effect" ?
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, dja remeber that old "encrypted" penguin logo ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps not the best term for it, as it's metaphorical rather than descriptive.
mircea_popescu: i suppose. though really the problem as far as interests here is this : presented with an "aberration", in natural noise you really can't tell whether relevant ; whereas in gaussian noise you generally can guess.
mircea_popescu: ie, the very substance of the "fox can be found" argument. yes, if he uses sparkplugs you yourself sold him ; yes, if he lives in a space of gaussian noise ; yes if etc.
mircea_popescu: it's not indefensible to suspect juche sparkplugs still fucking sparkplugs. perhaps.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose the correct reference i sohulkd have given re smoothness was weierstrass.
mircea_popescu: yes it's true that heat in a rod, or whatever diffusion phenomena are relatively smooth in this sense ; nevertheless em is the least smooth of the entire series.
mircea_popescu: gaussian is a decent "middle of the way" representation ; but not so useful when discussing specifically stuff to the extreme one side.
mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated lulz : the "womenz in tech" dynastry of aparatchicks over at wikipedia is pretty lulzi : sue gardner's lengthy tenure ended (she was recycled to nsa honeypot "tor project") to be replaced by lila tretikov, two bit russki scammer gal who got sent off (over the whole "knowledge engine" failed wikimedia
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729324 attempt) to be replaced by katherine maher.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 16:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the bait and switch thing. reddit started life as a sort of 4chan with a jump, ie the little girl's not on the page, but you have to click. this wasn't accidental, because their phase 2 ("growth phase" eh) consisted of the exact value proposition : add your crap to reddit, watch people click on it. once growth stopped they dropped the bait, switched to "we will control the conversation in this ever-so-importan
shinohai: What's that a picture of, a fivver developer's meetup?
mircea_popescu: just about the item i thought was under discussion all along.
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