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mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, the armin hemel buhbye at the end is qyite lulzy ; otherwise there's loads of more or less comedic stuff on that site. https://fsfellowship.eu/gnu-censors-the-united-nations-report-cybertorture-rms/

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje mentioned 2 pets , but some of the illustrations seem to include a 3rd, so will have to suppose used 3 rms.

mp_en_viaje: the rms/ers/retardsonwheels brushing it under the rug, "oh, you'll know when you see it" is probably the chief idiocy ensuring their loud, miserable, pollutant-ladden failure.

mircea_popescu: except of course all the old farts are completely moroning hellspawn a la jwz, rms, ers, etcetera

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't even immediately think of any remaining 'rms' with any ~life left in'em for such a thing

asciilifeform: summary in log, iirc was : asciilifeform wrote to rms re the 'libnss' garbage preventing static linking of glibc. rms 0 reply. but when mircea_popescu wrote, rms answered w/ jwzisms.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not so many 80yo d00dz have working cns. ( ~possibly~ rms circa 1990 would have been ~interesting in forum. but this ? fungus )

mircea_popescu: the amusing part being that leaving aside his damning failure to show up, rms wouldn't have made it five minutes in the forum on the basis of his absent culture, literacy or generally speaking working cns.

mircea_popescu: ftr, by http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1937123 i was discussing rms. "They seemed receptive in a general way. But you know, whether Microsoft will change anything in practice, remains to be seen. Maybe it will change some things and not others, right? That's often happens. But I believe in judging each thing that a company does separately. So if a company is doing this thing, which is wrong and unjust, a

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:48:51 asciilifeform: this being said -- will be interesting to see which 'bob beck' is crowned as 'new rms'.

snsabot: Logged on 2017-01-16 14:33:06 asciilifeform: one of the reasons i still, despite everything, have > 0 respect for rms, is that of all of these figures, he never had 'about-face' moment.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was the moment asciilifeform realized rms is 100% fungus by weight, and 0 left to salvage

mircea_popescu: whole rms thing and what i suppose is here the continuation.

asciilifeform: this being said -- will be interesting to see which 'bob beck' is crowned as 'new rms'.

asciilifeform: mushroom rms's narrative is , granted, nonsense, where 'bolix sold soul to devil, lmi -- not sold'. both sold to devil, 2 diff devils. lmi's gambit was 'we'll self-fund by hand-soldering machines to sell back to mit'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they had the 'dragon' thing, aka 'rms laptop' 'loongson'. afaik folded.

asciilifeform: ( there was a fascinating film clip i once saw, where raccoon was shot in the spine, in such a way that only bottom half paralyzed; and he happily attempted to eat own spilled guts. i could not help but remember rms and his 'toe jam'... )

asciilifeform: bvt: i had it overheat ~immediately when put under load with the 'rms coreboot', so went back to vendor's ( with above patch, or can't use civilized nic in it )

asciilifeform: ye olde 'notation can cost 80 iq' item. the moment rms picked 'c machine' ecosystem, it after that did not matter one whit how capable/honest/etc were to be the participants. ( and, in practice, demonstrated -- the capable, honest folx, ran off to learn new professions , did not stick around to fiddle with pointerisms )

a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:13 stratum: Certainly, but one still has to survive among the internet places as they exist.. We cannot all be RMS and have a helper print out websites for us because we're paranoid.

mircea_popescu: the cohen dork, ~claimed it~. like rms or linus or hwatever other, "cypherpunks" / "internet freedom" blablabla. like the piratebay dorks, like zimmerman, and so on.

mircea_popescu: right. but -- and this is the truly painful part -- for a ~defensible~ reason. he was doing it instead of tcc ~for rms's failure to rule~.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-23 17:23 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu has this piece , where rms as lev trotsky, 'troo left believer' surrounded by the usual swarm of cynical grifters who inevitably come to put proboscis into 'troo believer' as surely as flies to shit

asciilifeform: and it aint even that rms explicitly rejected fuhrerprinzip -- witness his (successful) keeping-gcc-stupid by decree

asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu has this piece , where rms as lev trotsky, 'troo left believer' surrounded by the usual swarm of cynical grifters who inevitably come to put proboscis into 'troo believer' as surely as flies to shit ☟︎

asciilifeform: afaik rms is best-known example of this, his www is fulla 'free palestine' etc

mircea_popescu: "The move to non-free software was the culmination of a series of steps designed to lock users in. There never was a way to fully extract projects from SourceForge [and I never said anything about this because I, rms, am a moron unfit to lead a L-shaped ambush, let alone an entire world], but efforts were made in this direction--then this year they were removed. At present the only things you can get are the CVS tree and trac

mircea_popescu: so, where's all the rms "hey folks, make blogs, rms-wp is over there", is what i wish to know.

mircea_popescu: the choice is strictly between mp-esque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855672 and rms-esque herp-derp-mumble-mumble. ☝︎

asciilifeform: i dun think rms & co were ever 'this tall'. relied just about from day 1 on 'reasonable' cooperation with enemy, to have any money at all.

mircea_popescu: WHY did not rms say "you MUST unify the toolchain" at such a time as ~before~ ers could step in to do it for his usual expectation of a coversion gain ?

mircea_popescu: it should be instructive exactly ~how~ ers's warcrime as you (with cause) call it made its way into rms's naive ranch of cattle purity : "SourceForge brought to Free Software a unified and standard development methodology based on modern tools. Before SourceForge, such tools (bug tracking, cvs, web, support, forums, polls, news, etc.) were available individually, but few developers used many of them together, because they had

asciilifeform: arguably even the slow nintendoization of pc arch, squeezing out 1st 'load own bios' then 'load own kernel', is macroscale instance of same thing. rms rejected 'make own iron' in 1980s, today the chickens come home to roost, and the response of the gnutards is afaik ~100% denial games

mircea_popescu: because, obviously, in moron's eyes the problem wasn't socialism to begin with. i mean, mussolini tried, just didn't do it right. then hitler didn't do it right. stalin showed him how, but sadly also didn't do it right. but it's ok, roosevelt showed them how. and mao and trotsky and eventually rms.

mircea_popescu: which is the point, it's a waste of time to consider "how linus separated" or "how rms thought should be separated". whoile thing's built on magic musherooms, "sky quadrants" etc.

a111: Logged on 2015-01-10 06:25 asciilifeform: mats: gcc... a) i dont get it... << what's the hard concept here? rms wishes to avoid gcc turning into a sweet and defenceless piece of candy for the 'embrace & extend/extinguish' folks.

asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's unifying theory, is that living in c ecosystem turns ~all~ inhabitants, after enuff yrs, into a kind of rms; sorta like black lung of coal miner )

asciilifeform: ( naturally if you aint one of'em, can ask until the cows come home. recall mircea_popescu's letter to rms ? )

asciilifeform: also unlike e.g. rms, asciilifeform even washes, even tho washing dun even directly bake any ffa...

a111: Logged on 2014-09-27 17:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that rms will not speak of lisp to this day. the demise of lmi cut him off from the genuine machines (there was no possibility of baking one by his lonesome, or with his band of ragged dervishes, any more than they could launch a mars mission)

a111: Logged on 2016-02-29 03:00 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you are still thinking of rms as a self-aware creature, having a thought process

a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 16:00 asciilifeform: rms is tragicomic precisely ~because~ he won't let go of fundamentally usgistic thinking

a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 23:26 asciilifeform: dunno that rms actually ~did~ anything in past 20+ yr. the man is a living flag.

asciilifeform: rms held on to microphone long past his sell-by date by playing a sort of zhirinovsky against background of microshit empire. but iirc we had already this thrd.

asciilifeform: point was re rms. trouble with the man is, i dun think he is stupid, in the usual sense, he appears to quite deliberately think that cultivated fungus on ~coad~ is a valid defense against 'microshit will steal'. hence gcc, autoconf, other marvels.

asciilifeform: i cant speak for other folx, but asciilifeform's 'third eye' re rms opened on the day that he spat on that letter re glibc

stratum: Most people don't even have one "box" -- More and more browsing from their phones as their sole computing device, billions of them. I think there is a disconnect in what we're discussing: which is why I mention RMS and his helpers.

stratum: Certainly, but one still has to survive among the internet places as they exist.. We cannot all be RMS and have a helper print out websites for us because we're paranoid. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: same place rms got emacs im sure.

asciilifeform: from my pov it's hilariously funny, that rms et al ~set the table~ for microshit.

asciilifeform: lm was 'expensive' cuz hand-sewn from 74xxx. but just 4 yrs after rms went off to derp with unix, thing fit on single crystal, just like i386, it's the item in asciilifeform's vivisection table in fact.

mircea_popescu: here is sound "just like rms", but why ? cuz where's the real one keks.

asciilifeform: and , not unrelatedly, asciilifeform sees the great crime of rms , to specifically be his pushing of 'kraft cheese' emacs + toolchains as 'just as good as real thing', witness e.g. https://archive.is/ws2qk#selection-5591.110-5591.271

asciilifeform: near as i can tell, de raadt pupated into his mushroom form ( like rms ) yrs ago

asciilifeform: ( ftr asciilifeform does not have a stable of slaves, like rms, or knuth, or mircea_popescu , to whom can order 'go fetch this from www for me' so that i can pretend i'm not using dns , email, ssl, etc. while still using when want )

asciilifeform prolly will pick up a spare or 2, so as not to end up with 'rms longsoon' irreplaceable artifact

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to go back to that thread : i suppose the "portability" discussion is deeply broken in empire (and no, linus, rms and friends aren't "a republic of their own", they're leningrad school and naught else). consider how http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862894 drives the dilemma : "if the trouble of maintaining a tree is not justified, why do you think the iron discussed is worth having ? if you think the iron disc ☝︎

mircea_popescu: the previous time, it was about "names -- only names in their own heads", djb, rms, whatever.

mircea_popescu: and i didn't write the lifestory of rms, and so on. not everyone is c s lewis.

asciilifeform: ianal, but per current usg copyrasty system, copyrights in fact stay with authors, unless sold ( apriori, as in 'work for hire', or post -- if sold, or reassigned by idiot for phree, as e.g. rms demands of authors )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835675 << what part of the 'rms problem' does vtronics per se not cure ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:35 asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform's pov re the retardation of 'open sores' , rms et al, is that they are tards not because they throw open the coad to allcomers but because they have no concept of wot , therefore were unable to conceptualize vtronics .

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835554 >> no, here we disagree. both rms AND ers lines of socialism (called "free" and "open" source in-universe) are attempting to bake in the conclusion of socialism ("everything that ever crawled out of a cunt is sacred") while allowing you to dispute the conclusions. i am not interested in their idiotic "disputations". the issue, with BOTH approaches, quite indistinguishably, is exactly ☝︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform's pov re the retardation of 'open sores' , rms et al, is that they are tards not because they throw open the coad to allcomers but because they have no concept of wot , therefore were unable to conceptualize vtronics . ☟︎

asciilifeform: ftr i share in the traditional frustration ( which goes back to , yes, rms & the gpl folx ) where 'why should hitler get to use my proggy'. but imho it uncomfortably echoes that of the gurlz on arsebook etc, 'i want to write about my fucks but for ~everyone but mother~ to read'

a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:44 mircea_popescu: 3. very clearly quashes the idiocy of rms-ism AND ers-ism ("open source" bla bla), and makes the strong political statement that indeed there is a difference between nose breathers and mouthbreathers and so on.

mircea_popescu: 3. very clearly quashes the idiocy of rms-ism AND ers-ism ("open source" bla bla), and makes the strong political statement that indeed there is a difference between nose breathers and mouthbreathers and so on. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i find fetlife sluts are about 10kx more interesting than hikikomori bois a la whatever set we've been contemplating, from curtis yarvin to rms.

mircea_popescu: nobody involved with lisp coding, starting with rms, and onwards, had a functioning noggin.

asciilifeform: rotten old fungus man rms, you can say whatever about, but he was exactly on target re how this particular item will go, back in '97. first, 'it only stores keys, harmless!' ( and won't give'em up to usg Because Reasons ... ) then 'ok now it can rewrite fw' 'yer lying, they Would Never!11!!' '...'

asciilifeform: also witness the redditards, 'harping on tpm, that's SOOO rms from 1997' etc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms hating noftsker has 0 to do with the death of bolix, but with the ~birth~

mircea_popescu: this is then summarized as "asciilifeform iirc rms really hated noftsker, for some reason", and always in that same format, too, "for some reason". the reason, above : x said something y took somewhere.

a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 21:11 phf: mcclim always reminds me of how rms was planning on competing with symbolics by reimplementing everything they had on top of gnu platform. that was the goal. only a handful people who actually worked with a genera realize how "special" the result of rms's work was.

mircea_popescu: observation that the ~ONLY~ reason the empire of stupid puts forth that pretense has nothing to do with them and everything to do with the few remaining intelligent people that even speak the language / bother to tune in (a fine example being the recent "triggering" nonsense re the abort() manual : the pretense the neets matter is SO THAT RMS BELIEVES, not so that anything to do with the neets themselves ; yet somehow this te

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what REALLY happened was that rms got in everyone's way with his usual "i'm dumb and slow" routine, so they took a decade to route around him

a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 20:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not even clear to me that eben moglen (note, not rms) gpl experiment , i.e. 'use copyrasty against itself', worked for a short while ( to naked eye it would seem that it did, bsd routines got subsumed into microshit, gnu -- not , but there ~are~ alternative plausible explanations that don't involve 'fear of gpl violation' )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not even clear to me that eben moglen (note, not rms) gpl experiment , i.e. 'use copyrasty against itself', worked for a short while ( to naked eye it would seem that it did, bsd routines got subsumed into microshit, gnu -- not , but there ~are~ alternative plausible explanations that don't involve 'fear of gpl violation' ) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: it could be "one dood's blog", if rms could ever muster enough cogency to keep a blog. but in fact, it's a loose association of conference-goers. for the same money they could be a "polyamory club" or w/e.

mircea_popescu: well, i guess we'll have to have a terminology standard then. how about this : fsf = "a little coven of pantsuit retards defined by loyalty to rms and no further characteristics", ie fsf is about on the level of importance of "starslatecodex" ; gnu = "symbol with no concrete reference, sometimes used as g- or gnu- prefix by marketeers exacly like the string 'super-'" ; open = "group of usg wreckers working on perpetuating the